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Malcolm X Interview (1963) · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: Today in our discussion of minority groups, we have with us.
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  Speaker 2: Two guests.
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  Speaker 1: One is Minister Malcolm ex Shabaz, one of the top
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  Speaker 1: leaders of the Nation of Islam or the so called
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  Speaker 1: Black Muslims, and we also have mister Hermann Blake uh
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  Speaker 1: one of the teaching assistants in the courts. We will
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  Speaker 1: discuss today some of the the goals and some of
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  Speaker 1: the strategies of the Nation of Islam, and I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if mister Blake might start it off by asking mister
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  Speaker 1: Sabaz a question.
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  Speaker 3: A Minister Malcolm, the thing that I thought might be
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  Speaker 3: good for starting it off is to talk about one
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  Speaker 3: of the most pervasive beliefs in the general society about
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  Speaker 3: the Nation of Islam, and that is that it is
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  Speaker 3: an organization dedicated to the use of violent means to
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  Speaker 3: attain its goals. The question I have is how true
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  Speaker 3: is this and why do you think it persists in society?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Muslims who have accepted the religion of Islam
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  Speaker 4: and follow the religious guidance of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad
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  Speaker 4: have never bombed any churches, have never murdered any little
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  Speaker 4: girls as was done in Birmingham, have never lynched anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Have never, at any time been guilty of initiating any
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  Speaker 4: aggressive acts of violence during the entire UH thirty three
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  Speaker 4: years or more that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad has been
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  Speaker 4: teaching us. The charge of violence against us actually stems
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  Speaker 4: from the guilt complex that exists in the conscious and
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  Speaker 4: sub conscious minds of most white people in this country.
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  Speaker 4: They know that they've been violent in their brutality against Negroes,
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  Speaker 4: and they feel that someday the negro is going to
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  Speaker 4: wake up and try and do unto them as they
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  Speaker 4: have done unto do unto the whites, as the whites
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  Speaker 4: have done unto us.
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  Speaker 2: We are in a violent group, we do UH. We
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  Speaker 2: are taught by.
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  Speaker 4: The Honorable Elijah Muhammad to be to obey the law,
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  Speaker 4: to respect everyone who respects us. We're taught to display courtesy,
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  Speaker 4: to be polite. But we're also taught that at any
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  Speaker 4: time anyone in any way UH inflicts or seeks to
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  Speaker 4: inflict violence upon us, we are within our religious rights
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  Speaker 4: to retaliate in self defense to the maximum deg read
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  Speaker 4: of our ability. We never initiate any violence upon anyone,
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  Speaker 4: but if anyone attacks us, we reserve the right to
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  Speaker 4: defend ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: So to accuse us of of being violence is like.
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  Speaker 4: Accusing a man who is being lynched, who is being
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  Speaker 4: hung on a tree, Uh, simply because he struggles vigorously
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  Speaker 4: against his lyncher. The victim is accused of violence, but
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  Speaker 4: the lynchier is never accused of violence. And I only
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  Speaker 4: point this out because the various racist groups that are
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  Speaker 4: set up in this country by whites and who have
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  Speaker 4: actually practiced violence against blacks for four hundred years are
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  Speaker 4: never associated or identified or made synonymous with the term violence.
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  Speaker 4: But whites speak of Muslims almost synonymously with violence. Whenever
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  Speaker 4: Muslims are mentioned by them, violence is brought up, but
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  Speaker 4: not but it's not connected with any other group. This
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  Speaker 4: is a sort of a propaganda tactic or what I
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  Speaker 4: would call psychological warfare to in some way make uh
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  Speaker 4: the image of the Muslims in this country be a
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  Speaker 4: violent image rather than a religious image. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to ask a question in that regard. What's
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  Speaker 1: interesting is that UH members of the Nation of Islam
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  Speaker 1: have not used violence even when UH black Americans were attacked. UH,
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  Speaker 1: how do you account for this? It does this in
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  Speaker 1: any way contradict UH some of the basic premises of
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  Speaker 1: your movement.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you mean.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you maintain, for example, that that you will not
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  Speaker 1: or that you should not use violence unless you are
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  Speaker 1: attacked by the white man. And I think we can
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  Speaker 1: note in the last several years, certainly dozens and dozens
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  Speaker 1: and dozens of instances in.
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  Speaker 5: Which Negroes have been attacked.
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  Speaker 2: Killed in some instances, I mean in these demonstrations.
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  Speaker 1: Demonstrations and the bombings, for example recently in Birmingham with
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  Speaker 1: had killed four little Negro girls. And what interests me
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  Speaker 1: is the fact is that the Nation of Islam has
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  Speaker 1: not done anything to retaliate.
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  Speaker 2: I think you should be happy.
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  Speaker 1: The important thing is does your lack of action no
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  Speaker 1: contradict any of your basic prints.
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  Speaker 4: I'll explain it. You should be happy that Muslims who
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  Speaker 4: follow the honorable Elijah Muhammad number one don't believe in
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  Speaker 4: any form of integration, and who bl and believe that
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  Speaker 4: every mention of the word integration by whites, whether it
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  Speaker 4: be from the mouth of Kennedy on down to the
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  Speaker 4: mouth of the lowest, raggediest white liberal in the street,
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  Speaker 4: who has beaten it like involving himself in these integration efforts.
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  Speaker 2: If we believed in it.
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  Speaker 4: We would integrate and we would fight anybody who got
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  Speaker 4: in our way or made any effort whatsoever to stop
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  Speaker 4: us from integrating. If we really believe that the law
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  Speaker 4: of the land, the Supreme Court and other so called
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  Speaker 4: judicial bodies were for real uh when they talked about integration,
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  Speaker 4: we would integrate. And knowing that the law was on
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  Speaker 4: our side in any effort we made to demonstrate toward integration,
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  Speaker 4: why we would know the law should.
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  Speaker 2: Be on our side. Uh. If it's the law of
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  Speaker 2: the land. If it is the.
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  Speaker 4: Law of the land, then the demonstrators are within the
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  Speaker 4: law and the uh uh discriminators are against the law.
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  Speaker 2: But to show you the hypocrisy of the law.
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  Speaker 4: When Negroes demonstrate for integration, instead of uh arresting the discriminators,
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  Speaker 4: the law arrests the demonstrators. So this is a foolish
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  Speaker 4: move on the part of Negroes. And when you foolishly
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  Speaker 4: get yourself involved with uh uh an enemy, then whatever
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  Speaker 4: comes upon you, that's your business. As Muslims, we believe
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  Speaker 4: that separation is the best way and the only sensible way,
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  Speaker 4: not integration and on. But on the other hand, when
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  Speaker 4: we see our people being brutalized by white bigots quite racists.
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  Speaker 4: We think that they are foolish to allow themselves to
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  Speaker 4: be beaten and brutalized and do nothing whatsoever to protect themselves.
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  Speaker 2: They are foolish they if they should have the.
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  Speaker 4: Right to to defend themselves against any attack made against
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  Speaker 4: them by anyone. If a dog is biting a black man,
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  Speaker 4: the black man should kill the dog, whether the dog
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  Speaker 4: is a police dog, a hound dog, or any kind
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  Speaker 4: of dog. If a dog is sicked on a black man,
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  Speaker 4: when that black man is doing nothing but trying to
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  Speaker 4: uh take advantage of what the government says it's supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be his, then that black man should kill that dog.
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  Speaker 2: Or any two leg dog who sticks the dog on it.
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  Speaker 1: Should other black men help that particular person who was attacked.
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  Speaker 4: I think you'll find, sir, that there will come a
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  Speaker 4: time when black people wake up and become intellectually independent
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  Speaker 4: enough to think for themselves as other humans are intellectually
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  Speaker 4: independent enough to think for themselves. Then the black man
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  Speaker 4: will think like a black man, and he will feel
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  Speaker 4: for other black people. And this new thinking and feeling
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  Speaker 4: will cause black people to stick together. And then at
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  Speaker 4: that point, you'll have a situation where when you attack
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  Speaker 4: one black man, you are attacking all black men. And
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  Speaker 4: this type of black thinking will cause all black people
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  Speaker 4: to stick together. And this type of thinking also will
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  Speaker 4: bring an end to the brutality inflicted upon black people
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  Speaker 4: by white people.
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  Speaker 2: And it is the only thing that we're bringing into it.
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  Speaker 4: No federal court, state court, or city court we're bringing
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  Speaker 4: into it. Is something that the black man has to
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  Speaker 4: bring an end to himself.
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  Speaker 3: Minister Malcolm, let me, on the basis of your two remarks,
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  Speaker 3: ask uh Uh a double prong question. One, is it
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  Speaker 3: then your assertion that the laws res with respect to
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  Speaker 3: how negroes are supposed to have equal opportunity and equal
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  Speaker 3: rights in this country are not meaningful or believed by whites?
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  Speaker 3: And secondly, what is then is your opinion and attitude
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  Speaker 3: toward the civil rights movement in general, and particularly UH
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  Speaker 3: the Reverend Martin Luther King and his philosophy of nonviolent
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  Speaker 3: d direct action.
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  Speaker 2: If UH the white people.
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  Speaker 4: Really passed meaningful laws, it would not be necessary to
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  Speaker 4: pass any more laws. There are already enough laws on
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  Speaker 4: the law books to protect an American citizen. You only
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  Speaker 4: need UH additional laws when you're dealing with someone who's
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  Speaker 4: not regarded as an American citizen. But whites are so
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  Speaker 4: hypocritical they don't wanna admit that this black man is
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  Speaker 4: not a citizen. Uh, so they classify him as a
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  Speaker 4: a second class citizen to uh to get around uh
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  Speaker 4: making him a real citizen. If he was a real citizen,
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  Speaker 4: you'd need no more laws. You need no civil rights legislation.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Civil rights it uh. When you have civil rights, you
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  Speaker 4: have citizenship.
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  Speaker 2: It's automatic.
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  Speaker 4: White people don't need laws to protect their citizenship because
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  Speaker 4: they're citizens, but they want they uh. They don't wanna
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  Speaker 4: tell us we're not citizens, and at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: they don't wanna pass laws that are meaningful enough to
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  Speaker 4: protect us as if we were citizens. And the Supreme
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  Speaker 4: Court desegregation decision is the best example I know. That's
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  Speaker 4: a law from the Supreme Court. Ten years have gone by,
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  Speaker 4: no desegregated schools. It hasn't been implemented beyond I think
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  Speaker 4: nine percent in ten years.
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  Speaker 2: So this just shows you the hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 4: Of the American white man. They talk out of both
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  Speaker 4: signs of their mouth. And for this reason, we who
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  Speaker 4: are Muslims, that is, who believe in the religion of Islam,
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  Speaker 4: who believe in God. We don't believe that black people
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  Speaker 4: will ever get any laws, get any problem with laws
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  Speaker 4: being passed, or new persons being put in office, of
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  Speaker 4: white liberals being put in office. There is nothing that
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  Speaker 4: the white man will ever do to bring about true
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  Speaker 4: sincere citizenship or civil rights recognition for black people in
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  Speaker 4: this country. Nothing will they ever do. They will always
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  Speaker 4: talk it, but they won't practice it. And with the
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  Speaker 4: Supreme Court, if the NAACP can tell me that they
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  Speaker 4: want a desegregation decision for me ten years ago, but
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  Speaker 4: yet the schools haven't been decent segregated.
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  Speaker 2: As I say, this is a victory with no victory.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. It's a victory that you can talk about, but
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  Speaker 4: it's a victory you can't show me. So if you
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  Speaker 4: represent the NAACP and you are telling me about this
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  Speaker 4: great victory you won for me, when I look at you,
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  Speaker 4: I have to uh conclude that either you have been
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  Speaker 4: duped yourself or else you are trying to dupe me.
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  Speaker 4: And in most instance instances where the civil rights struggle
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  Speaker 4: is in bombed, there is no civil rights leader can
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  Speaker 4: point to me one concrete game, practical game that black
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  Speaker 4: people have made in the civil rights feel in this country,
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  Speaker 4: not only during the past ten years, but during the
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  Speaker 4: past one hundred years now.
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  Speaker 3: The other part was uh with respect to mister King
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  Speaker 3: and the non violent direct action.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I will let uh uh Jimmy Baldwin and John
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  Speaker 4: Killings and lou Lomacs.
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  Speaker 2: The writers answer that uh uh.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking right after these the this church was bombed in Birmingham.
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  Speaker 4: Christian Church was bombed in Birmingham by Christians too, mind you, and.
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  Speaker 2: These four little girls were murdered.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. John Killens and James Baldwin and Lomax and the
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  Speaker 4: Negro writers and actors had a meeting at the town
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  Speaker 4: Hall in New York, and Killin pointed out concerning these
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  Speaker 4: murders of these little girls, said the killings had raised
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  Speaker 4: doubts about the intelligence of the non violent of non
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  Speaker 4: violence in the civil rights struggle. He went on to
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  Speaker 4: declare that he could no longer be asked to love
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  Speaker 4: those who persecuted and killed Negroes. He also uh, and
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  Speaker 4: the writer mister Handler, who's who's uh, describing this, said
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  Speaker 4: that Killin's it was not clear concerning killers. Killin's remarks
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  Speaker 4: to his audience that he was breaking with the It
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  Speaker 4: was Claire rather to his audience that he was breaking
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  Speaker 4: with the doctrine of the Reverend Martin Luther King's philosophy
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  Speaker 4: that as Christians, Negroes should love their fellow man in
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  Speaker 4: a truly religious sense. Now, James Baldwin, speaking on that
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  Speaker 4: same platform, said, and I was present during this entire affair,
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  Speaker 4: asserted that the American people shared a collective guilt for
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  Speaker 4: the persecution of negro as much as Germans did because
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  Speaker 4: of their silence during the Nazi persecution. He denounced President
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  Speaker 4: Kennedy for what he termed Kennedy's lack of passion in
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  Speaker 4: the civil rights struggle. Mister Baldwin said that there could
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  Speaker 4: no longer be a Republican Party for the Negro people
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  Speaker 4: as long as it listed a Barry Goldwater, nor a
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  Speaker 4: Democratic Party for the Negro people with a Senator to
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  Speaker 4: Eastland on its roster. He asserted that the federal government
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  Speaker 4: acted swiftly and energetically, that unless the federal government acted
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  Speaker 4: swiftly and energetically, future slaughter would make Birmingham look like
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  Speaker 4: a dress rehearsal. I and now what do I think
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  Speaker 4: about King's attitude? King's right hand man, Wyatt Walker, at
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  Speaker 4: King's convention, according to The New York Times on September
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  Speaker 4: the twenty sixth, said we had quote we have been duped,
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  Speaker 4: meaning these persons involved in the civil rights struggle of
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  Speaker 4: which King is the symbolic leader.
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  Speaker 2: His right hand man says, and.
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  Speaker 4: I quote, we have been duped or have duped ourselves
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  Speaker 4: into believing that the chains have been broken, when in truth,
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  Speaker 4: we have only been chained more securely. Half freedom has
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  Speaker 4: in many instances been worse than no freedom at all.
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  Speaker 4: Why don't ask me what I think about their struggle.
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  Speaker 4: I can tell you what they think about their struggle,
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  Speaker 4: and they are are pointing out that it is becoming
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  Speaker 4: more difficult every day for the civil rights leaders to
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  Speaker 4: keep the masses of black people uh nonviolent and long
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  Speaker 4: suffering and patient and keep them from becoming disenchanted. Hope
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  Speaker 4: that answers your question.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now there's a new party which has started on
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  Speaker 3: the East Coast called the Freedom.
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  Speaker 5: Now Party, an all black organization.
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  Speaker 3: Would you comment upon this, and also upon the possibility
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  Speaker 3: that the Nation of Islam might begin to turn some
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  Speaker 3: of its attention to the political arena, in view of
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  Speaker 3: the fact that it is in the political arena that
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  Speaker 3: uh Negroes have not been able to in any way
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  Speaker 3: get justice.
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  Speaker 5: As has been pointed out in your previous statement.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with the Freedom Now Party. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: too familiar with politics period, only that in the sense
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  Speaker 4: that n uh white politicians have usually been very hypocritical
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  Speaker 4: uh where the so called negroes are concerned. Uh, So
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  Speaker 4: I'm a bit disenchanted uh with politicians and politics. The
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  Speaker 4: Honorable Elijah Muhammad is a religious man, and his teaching
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  Speaker 4: is religious and his solutions are religious. Uh. The Freedom
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  Speaker 4: Now Party, from what I understand, is headed by a
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  Speaker 4: man named a lawyer named Conrad Lynn.
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  Speaker 2: I know him and probably means well uh uh.
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  Speaker 4: Before passing an opinion on what it is he's trying
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  Speaker 4: to do, I would like to uh analyze it and
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  Speaker 4: see who's subsidizing him, see who his friends are, especially
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  Speaker 4: who his white friends are. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And after uh a careful.
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  Speaker 4: Analysis, if I could conclude that uh there was no
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  Speaker 4: uh white support, I would be inclined to have confidence
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  Speaker 4: in it. But if I saw him leaning too heavily
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  Speaker 4: upon his white liberal friends for support, then I'd be suspicious.
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  Speaker 2: Of that too. The Muslims.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, UH represent the an all Black party UH.
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  Speaker 4: And the Honorable Elijah Muhammad pointed out at UH before
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  Speaker 4: ten thousand in Philadelphia on UH September the twenty ninth UH.
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  Speaker 2: At rally that we were having that in.
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  Speaker 4: Nineteen sixty four, the Black people should band together and
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  Speaker 4: do something about electing UH, selecting and electing UH representatives,
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  Speaker 4: Black representatives politically UH who have the UH s rights
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  Speaker 4: and the the best interests of the Black people at heart,
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  Speaker 4: and that we should also unite together and sweep out
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  Speaker 4: of office all of the black political puppets who are
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  Speaker 4: used by the white power structure to continue white supremacy
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  Speaker 4: UH in our communities.
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  Speaker 1: In that regard, would you include Congressman Dawson, for example,
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  Speaker 1: from Chicago and some of the people who represent him
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  Speaker 1: on the Chicago City Council in which we got UH
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  Speaker 1: in in the the area of acting as a puppet.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what mister Muhammed's opinion is of Congressman Dawson.
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  Speaker 4: They both live right there in the city of Chicago together. UH.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what his UH opinion is of Congressman
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  Speaker 4: UH Dawson. UH. I'm suspicious of any Negro, be he politician, uh,
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  Speaker 4: be he clergyman, or a civic leader who is constantly
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  Speaker 4: patted on the back by whites. I have a tendency
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  Speaker 4: to lead toward the Negro politician who is constantly condemned
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  Speaker 4: by the white power structure. Uh this is my thought pattern.
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  Speaker 4: I'm giving you an insight of it.
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  Speaker 3: You uh though, mention mister Lynn and saying you'd like
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  Speaker 3: to know who his white friends are. Now, I'm wondering
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  Speaker 3: if you didn't make a contradictory statement in Muslim terms
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  Speaker 3: by using white and.
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  Speaker 5: Friend in the same phrase at as I say.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, if a I a black man cannot
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  Speaker 3: have a white man.
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  Speaker 4: As a friend, he may have a white man who's friendly.
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  Speaker 4: But being friendly and being a friend, I think are
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  Speaker 4: two different things. I think there are many whites who
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  Speaker 4: act friendly toward negroes. A fox acts acts friendly toward
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  Speaker 4: the lamb, and usually the fox is the one who
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  Speaker 4: ends up with the lamb chop on his plate. The
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  Speaker 4: wolf doesn't act friendly, and therefore the wolf has more
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  Speaker 4: difficulty in getting the lamb chopped in his play.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to point out all that I I.
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  Speaker 4: I say that because it is usually the if you
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  Speaker 4: l study the structure of the Negro community economically, politically, civically, psychologically,
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  Speaker 4: and otherwise, it's controlled by the white liberal who you
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  Speaker 4: usually poses.
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  Speaker 2: As the friend of the negro, who.
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  Speaker 4: Actually differs from the white conservative in the same way
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  Speaker 4: that the fox differs from the wolf. Their appetite is
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  Speaker 4: the same, their motives.
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  Speaker 2: Are the same. It's only their mannerisms and methods that differ.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree that, no doubt, there have been a
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  Speaker 1: large number of whites who have posed as liberals and
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  Speaker 1: as friends of the negro, and who have time and
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  Speaker 1: again betrayed the Negro. On the other hand, I think
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  Speaker 1: one could point to a large number of whites who
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  Speaker 1: have struggled for civil rights, give me mood equality, and
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  Speaker 1: have got little or nothing out of it other than
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: quite a few bruises. Give me an example, well, the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: large number of white students who have gone into the South,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: for example, working for SNICK and other organizations.
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  Speaker 4: Not working for Snick or other organizations, but working for
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: the white political machines who benefit by the voting uh
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: efforts of negroes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be more specific.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I would cite Herbert.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Hill, for example, as an a as as a kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of person who has a champion negro job rights, for
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: example in New York City and elsewhere. He has fought
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the political machine.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: First time I met Herbert Hill personally was when they
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: were picketing to stop the working on the UH Harlem
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Hospital in Harlem. Negroes for ten years had to fight
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: the city to get an annex built on the Harlem
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Hospital cause in Harlem we need a hospital more so
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: than anything else, and people are sick. Plus we do
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: a lot of cutting and shooting of each other, though
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: we profess to be non violent. And h Herbert Hill
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: brought his forces out and stopped the working on that site.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, this is the first time I ever saw it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Then, Uh, when work was brought to a halt on
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: a hospital in Harlem, the same Negroes tried to stop
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: the work at the Downstate UH Medical Center in Brooklyn,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: which is predominantly white. They they were out there for
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: three months during the summer, couldn't stop anything. And I
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: never saw Herbert Hill out there one time. Now, whenever something,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: whenever it takes uh a stoppage of something that's going
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: to affect the white man, you find the white liberal absent.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: But it's when it uh involves something that primarily will.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Affect the best interests of black people and black people
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: only then that white liberal as president. Herbert Hill is
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the labor secretary for the NAACP, and uh, uh if
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: he was interested in black people, he would prepare a
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: black man with the type of knowledge and understanding of
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: the labor troubles involving black people that would enable uh
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: a black man to sit in the same position as
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Secretary of Labor or labor secretary in the NAACP. I'm
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: suspicious of whites who joined negroes and always have to
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: be in the lead, who always have to be the head,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: who always have to be at the top in Negro organizations.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Those whites who really have the interest of blacks at heart,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: let 'em give some advice to some negroes and stand
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: on the sideline, but don't join the organization and then
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: get at the head of it and pose as a
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: friend of negro Well, I I would.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: H defend his sincerity and his commitment.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And more than that, I would say that just because
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a person is a Negro or a Black American does
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: not mean there's going to struggle for for Negro rights,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: or for or for jobs for Negros, or anything else.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I think that today you could point to a large
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: number of Negro leaders who have consistently betrayed negroes in.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: A whole host of areas. They aren't really Negro leaders.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: These are puppets that have been put in front of
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: the Negro community by white liberals. These are parents that
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: have been put in front of the Negro community by
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: white liberals.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: You can't name me a.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Negro leader who has been a Negro leader who has
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: been betrayed, who has betrayed negroes, who is not who
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: has not been endorsed, sanctioned, uh subsidized and supported by
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: the white liberals.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Minison Malcolm, I'd like to well.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I to tye.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: One example would be Congressman Dawson, for example, on Chicago
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and and in Chicago, a large number of liberals located
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: in the Hyde Park district have consistently fought Dawson and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: his betrayals of the Negro and they've also fought some
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: of the people who represent Dawson on the Chicago City Council.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: The only Negro I know who is constantly fought only
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: negro politician that I know who is constantly fought by
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: white liberals is Adam Clayton Powell.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And they call him a racist because he speaks so bluntly.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: On the race issue. Ah, but I'm not, as I said,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: not too familiar with Dawson in his work.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Let me let me return UH to the Nation of Islam,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: per se Minister by raising a question which UH struck
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: me as a result of reading some of Baldwin's work,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: namely The Fire Next Time. Baldwin pointed out that in
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Harlem for many years he had passed the street corners
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: in the soap boxes and heard people speaking from these
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: platforms who were known as Black nationalists.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: And nobody was listening.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: And he said, all of a sudden, he realized that
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: people were beginning to listen to the Muslim speakers on
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the street corners in Harlem. The message essentially was the same,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: but it was that now many many people were listening
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: to what this message was. And you pointed out that, Uh,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: the Nation of Islam has been in the UH picture
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: for about thirty three years. What is it, in your judgment,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that has caused this tremendous amount of support that the
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Nation of Islam has garnered? In the Negro community in
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: say the last ten years.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: When you put a seed in the soil, it remains
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: beneath the soil until the season changes. And but and
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: when the season changes, that the seasonal change automatically brings
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: about UH. Rather atmospheric conditions ring about a seasonal change
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: that makes that seed come up or crop grow.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: UH in its appointed time.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And all over this world today, God himself has brought
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: about political UH changes, a political atmosphere, sociological social atmosphere,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: economic atmosphere, these economic conditions. These political conditions and social
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: conditions UH combined to bring about a situation that is
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: making Black people in America more receptive, their mind more
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: fertile to the seed of truth that the Honorable Elijah
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Muhammad has been planting for thirty some years. And this
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: is springing up today and causing our people to see
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: and understand now what they couldn't see and understand before.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: What is the nature of the situation which is making
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Black people more receptive?
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: The well you take UH the in the past say
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: fifteen years, how UH the nations have emerged DC nations
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: have emerged in in Africa.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: UH. Prior to ten years.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Ago, most Negroes associated identified Africa with a savage, jungle
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: like place, and whenever you mentioned the word African, in
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: their mind's eye, they could see the image of someone
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: running around with a spear UH with no language, who'd
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: say other bugaboo or buana or something, and Uh who'd
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: be in a jungle running from lions.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Or chasing lions.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: But then when Uh after the war, when the United
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Nations were set up in New York City, UH black
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: people began to look at uh uh men like tom
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: im Boya. They began to look at men like n
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Uh Nakrouma. They began to see men like La Mumba.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: They begin to see men like Nasse. They began to
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: see Uh, these Uh Beloa and Azekwey who could Uh
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: exchange intellectually with whites on an international level in a
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: political form and hold their own. This made the black
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: people in this country realize that what the Honorable Elijah
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Muhammad had been teaching all the time actually had substance,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and they began to turn it over in their mind
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: and see that what he was saying had more weight
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: to it than what these other.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Uh negroes were saying.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: And they began to identify themselves with the black world
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: and the black struggle more uh closely than they identified
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: themselves with this so called white world.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Let me ask you.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: A question with respect to a statement which Essian Utom
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: quotes as being on a bulletin board in the University
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: of Islam and Chicago by the honorably Large Mohammed.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: According to.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Essian, mister Mohammad, state up you mighty race.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: You can accomplish what you.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Willed build your future on these foundations freedom, justice and equality.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: What is the definition of freedom, justice and equality for
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the black man?
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: And where and when is it to be attained?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Well? Take equality first.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: The Honorable Elijah Muhammad doesn't teach us to uh associate
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: equality with wives. Quality has nothing to do with whites.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: We want equal. We don't want to be equal with
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the white man. He's not the criteria or yard stick
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: by which equality is measured. He's not in a position
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: to tell us we are equal. It's not his right,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: it's not his.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: To do.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Equality. We want equality. We had equality before the white
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: man was created. We had the we had equality before
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: the white men came into existence. And we want equality
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: whether the white man is on this earth or not.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Equality means the uh opportunity to develop all of our
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: dormant potential, all all of our dormant capability and c
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: and and UH in developing this dormant UH capability, the
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: right in the ability to stand on this earth, on
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: some land uh of our own and bring about a
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: civilization and a society and we will in which we
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: will be completely independent, complete freedom.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: To uh oh uh.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Take care of the needs, to take care of the
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: uh wants and the likes and the dislikes of our people,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: to establish our own nation, our own society, our own heaven,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: our own future. This is what we mean by freedom
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: by UH. Equality and justice means UH as.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: You sow, so shall you read.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: If you do wrong, you'll get wrong in return, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: if you do right, you'll get right in return. When
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: you're in your own nation and your own land, you're
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: in a position to get justice. But when you're in
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: another man's country, in another man's land, under another man's flag,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: and under another man's uh uh a government and under
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: another man's court system, you have to look to that
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: other man for justice and you'll never get it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And negroes in this country probably are authorities.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: On that h to what extent does this formulation approach
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: that expounded by Zionists. They, for example, many Zionists Zionis
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: maintain they could never.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Expect uh justice in the.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Zarus courts and the courts found in other countries in
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe and so on. And they decided that it
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: would be wise to establish a separate state in Israel
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: In the and all of the world powers got together,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: the white world powers, i should say, got together and
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: helped all of these white Jews to establish a separate
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: state in the heart of a dark skinned people's territory. Uh.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: And if white people can get together and let other
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: whites help other whites uh to establish an independent nation
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: right in the midst of dark skinned people. And then
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: we see, we don't see where white people should be
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: so much against the honorable Elijah muhammad solution not of
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: setting up an independent doc nation in a white people's property.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: But he's asking the opportunity to set up an independent
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: nation in our own on our own continent. Let us
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: leave America and go back home among our own people,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: on our own land and set.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Up our own independent society.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: But all he says is that this government which made
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: us slaves, should supply the transportation for us to get
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: back home, and give us all of the machinery and
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: the tools necessary for us to till the soil and
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: establish our own agricultural system, to feed and clothe our people,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: our own economy, and in some way become an independent
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: people among our own people on our own continent. This
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: is intelligent and Zionists should never criticize us.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: You say then that the United States is not the
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: black man's country. The American laws or not black men's laws. No,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: s I, American laws are not the black man's law.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Well, the the UH laws of here in America were
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: made white by white people for the benefit of white people.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: The Constitution was written by whites for the benefit of whites.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: It was never written for the benefit of blacks. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: and when you read the Constitution, I think in article one,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: se section article one, section two, or section one, article one,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: so one of the tooths, and it's in the Constitution
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: it says that UH that classifies black people as three
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: fifths of a man, three fifths of a man, sub
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: less than a human being. It relegates us to the
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: level of cattle, hogs, chickens, cows, a commodity that could
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: be bought and sold at the will of the master. No,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: it was written by whites for the benefit of whites
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: and to the detriment of blacks. And when a black
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: man stands up talking about his constitutional rights, he's out
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: of his mind.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: A minist Malcolm.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: In our textbook which the students have read, supposedly, there
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: is a statement which is a quotation from Ession and
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: essentially that from UH Lincoln, to the effect that UH,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the Nation of Islam does not have a great deal
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: of support in the Negro community in this country by
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: and large, And a recent national poll of American Negroes
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: found that leaders and rank and file, according to their statistics,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: supported the n Reverend Martin Luther King somewhere over ninety percent,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: whereas the support unfavorable rating that they gave minister Muhammad
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: was less than twenty percent, and somewhere around forty five
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: percent of them gave an unfavorable rating to mister Muhammad.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: What would your response be in terms of Baldwin's statement
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: that this is a growing thing and the kinds of
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: evidence that we have that there is much to it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Well, Uh, that that statement I made just made concerning
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: the Constitution is Article one, section two in the Constitution,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: where it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Classifies US as channel UH.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Baldwin did point out that mister Muhammad has the only
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: grassroots support and is the only one whose whole b
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: following operates or functions on the mass vehicle. I and
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I think Baldwin told doctor Kenneth Clark that, UH, Martin
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Luther King is at the end of his rope. Now, UH,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: the concerning the UH poll taken by Newsweek magazine, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: think you said that this was the leaders who said
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: that UH who went with King and against mister Muhammad
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: around ninety percent. I just told you a little while ago.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: These leaders that they call leaders. This included Lena Horne,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: This included Dick Gregory, and this included comedians, comics, trumpet players,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: baseball players. Show me in the white community where a
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: comedian is a white leader. Show me in the white community,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: where our singer is a white leader, or a dancer
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: or a trumpet player is a white leader.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: These aren't leaders.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: These are puppets and clowns that UH have been set
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: up over the white community and are over the black
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: community by the white community, and have been made celebrities
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: and usually say exactly what uh they know that the
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: white man wants to hear. And it is an honor
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: actually that they endorsed doctor Martin Luther King and uh
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: uh we're against the honorable Elijah Muhammad.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That's actually an honor. Now when you say that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: They also in this same Newsweek poll magazine, they uh
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I think the poster said that he went into the
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Negro community and asked about the Muslims, and many Negroes
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: whom he asked said, well, I never heard of the Muslims.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Who are they? You know?
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: This is the rank and file were talk.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, now when they got down to the rank
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: and file, this was the answers that they got.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: This is equivalent to uh the situation in Kenya doing
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: the Mau Mau uprising, when many uh frightened UH whites
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: in Kenya, Africa would go among the Africans and ask
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: them what about the Mau Mau and the African was there?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I never heard of them?
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: And the same white man who would ask the African
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: this question and very naively believe what the African said.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: When he went to bed that night he would lose
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: his head. And usually the one who took his head
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: was the same African who told him that afternoon he
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: had never heard of the Mau.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Mau except uh.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: In the news week pulled they used Negro interviewers.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: You'll find at oft times Negroes are as much on
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: god uh around negro interviewers, who usually represent the bourgeois
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: uh element of.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Negroes as they are on guard around whites.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: UH. Usually Negroes know that when this bourgeois Negro walks
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: through the door, he is not doing something that he's
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: initiated himself, but he's involved in something in which the
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: white man is the uh absolute author of and has
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: sent him to the Negro community for some information. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: when they give that Negro some information, usually they give
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: him the information that they want the white want him
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: to take back to the white man, because that's who
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: he's gonna take it back to.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: For moments.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Good Uh, our time is just about up, miniscon Malcolm
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: and Uh, perhaps you could summarize and conclude by giving
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: us in your opinion or in the opinion of mystery
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Elijah Muhammad.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: What.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Would be the ideal solution to the racial problem in
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: the United States today?
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Well, on Thursday, October the third, the New York Tribune
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: in an editorial pointed out in Boston on a in
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: an article called the Civil Rights Iceberg. They pointed out
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: how Kennedy had realized that beneath the water the civil
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: rights UH, whole problem UH was political suicide because in
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: his own hometown, the head of the board of Education,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: a woman named Missus Hicks, was running against the NAACP philosophy,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: and she swept. Beside all other opposition, the whole white
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: community supported her in opposition to the NAACP's desire for
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: integrated schools, integrated housing in otherwise, So I say that
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: to say this that even the Jewish Committee community, which
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: is supposed to be pro liberal, went against the NAACP.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Whites are against integration in practice, but therefore it in principle.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: So the only solution is separation. And the honorable Elijia
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Muhammad says that this can be brought about simply by
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: letting our people be exposed to the truth about ourselves,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: about the white man, about our history and our condition
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  Speaker 4: in this country. And once we are exposed to the
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  Speaker 4: complete truth, there's things about things as they actually exist
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  Speaker 4: in this country, the masses of black people will choose
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: complete separation from this entire system political system, economic system,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: social system, and whatever other aspect or description you uh
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  Speaker 4: are ac uh uh adjective you want to attach to it.
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  Speaker 4: Let us go back home to our own people, live
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  Speaker 4: among our own kind, and solve our own problems ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: And if the white man doesn't want us to go
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  Speaker 4: back to our own people and live in our own country,
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  Speaker 4: then since we can't get along together in peace on
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: this country we're the white people, let us separate part
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: of this continent, migrate to that separate territory.
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  Speaker 2: Let the government give us.
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  Speaker 4: Everything we need to establish our own independent economic system
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: and society, and thereby we'll be able to solve our
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: own problems ourselves and prove that we are a human
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  Speaker 4: beings and a part of the human family and can
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: do for ourselves what other humans have done for themselves.
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  Speaker 4: And then we'll be able to stop blaming the white
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  Speaker 4: man for what he has done, and stop begging the
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: white man to solve our problems. We'll be able to
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: solve our problems ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.