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Sharri | 28 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News, This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, Richard Miles humiliated by Defense Secretary Pete
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Speaker 3: Hegseth and yet another slap down from the Trump administration.
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Speaker 3: But who can blame them when Pennywog has hold in
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Speaker 3: the Israelis more than the Iranians. Also on the show,
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Speaker 3: I'll take you inside the Midwinter Ball with the leaked
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Speaker 3: speeches from Susan Lee and Anthony Albanezi. You don't want
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Speaker 3: to miss the swipe Susan takes at the Nationals that
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Speaker 3: exclusive in a moment, Plus shocking revelations that E Safety
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Speaker 3: Commissioner Julie in van Grant has been linked to a
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Speaker 3: plot to sideline pro Trump content online. And we have
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Speaker 3: an exclusive interview with world famous influencer Montana Tucker. She's
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Speaker 3: coming up later in the show, but first tonight. The
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Speaker 3: Midwinter Ball in Canberra held last night, where politicians get
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Speaker 3: dressed up and mingle with journalists and lobbyists. It's tradition
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Speaker 3: for the Prime Minister and Opposition leader to give a speech.
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Speaker 3: The Midwinter Ball is meant to be Shatham House rules,
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Speaker 3: but with hundreds of journalists attending, it's rarely kept secret
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Speaker 3: for long. You might remember the famous occasion when Lori
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Speaker 3: Oak's broadcast footage showing Malcolm Turnbull impersonating Donald Trump at
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Speaker 3: the ball. Have a look, we are winning and winning
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Speaker 3: in the balls.
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Speaker 4: We are living so much.
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Speaker 5: Not the faith poles, not the faith polls. They're the
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Speaker 5: ones we're not reading. We're reading in the real bowls.
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Speaker 5: They are so easy to read, that.
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Speaker 6: Kind of muller.
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Speaker 5: I have this rushing guy.
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Speaker 3: That was probably Turnbull's best performance. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: Turnbull isn't the only former prime minister who can do
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Speaker 3: a pretty decent Trump impersonation now, like Lai Oakes. I
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Speaker 3: wasn't there at the Midwinter Ball last night, so I'm
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Speaker 3: not breaking any rules. The recording was passed on to
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Speaker 3: me today. It was Susan Lee's first time speaking at
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Speaker 3: this event, and it's a tough crowd, so she did
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Speaker 3: well to elicit a lot of laughs. And turns out
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Speaker 3: I was the source for some of the humor in
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Speaker 3: the rough and tumble of politics. I guess that's not
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Speaker 3: a bad place to be if neither side considers you
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Speaker 3: a friend.
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Speaker 7: Oh, I have pretty differently, but we too have some similarities.
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Speaker 8: Ten percent Casey has.
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Speaker 3: Of course that's not true. Well it's only half true.
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Speaker 3: I don't hate Susan Lee. In fact, I give her
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Speaker 3: credit for a speech providing much needed sarcasm and humor
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Speaker 3: to an event which has been taking itself way too
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Speaker 3: seriously for too many years. She brought plenty of laughs
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Speaker 3: when joking about her love of numerology, which saw her
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Speaker 3: add an extra S to her name, Susan.
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Speaker 7: Anthony, congratulations on.
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Speaker 5: Ninety four seats is.
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Speaker 3: Aggressive, serious, but in passion.
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Speaker 9: How many more seas?
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Speaker 10: How much?
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Speaker 3: If it's a good gag, continue doing the numerology theme.
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Speaker 3: She also had a crack at the polling company Freshwater Strategy.
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Speaker 3: This is the company the Liberals used that got it
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Speaker 3: just so terribly wrong before the last federal elections.
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Speaker 11: But I did the role that numbers and letters.
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Speaker 7: The truth is, know that each number has its own
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Speaker 7: vibration and life.
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Speaker 12: If you multify MPs twenty seven cents and the brassy letters,
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Speaker 12: you get too remarkable words Freshwater.
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Speaker 3: Strategy on Freshwater weren't like that one at all, but
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Speaker 3: they deserve it. And the Nationals came in for some
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Speaker 3: ribbing as well, with Susan Lee poking fun over her
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Speaker 3: tricky conversations with the Nats on Net zero and whether
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Speaker 3: to even form a coalition at all.
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Speaker 7: Design look here if you need I'm cost.
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Speaker 3: On great lines. But one of the more uncomfortable moments
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Speaker 3: of the night came when Susan Lee had a crack
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Speaker 3: at Barnaby Joyce, specifically over his virility. She was referring
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Speaker 3: to our famous Daily Telegraph Bundle of Joyce front page
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Speaker 3: and there was an audible gasp in the room when
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Speaker 3: she made that gag. In another risky moment, Susan Lee
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Speaker 3: even joked about crashing a plane with teals found that
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Speaker 3: Simon Holmes Acot on board. As you know she's a pilot.
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Speaker 13: Fully enough, Simon my auction byes tonight He's grand to
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Speaker 13: take a fine disease to a mystery location. But justine
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Speaker 13: in one of flowood, in one fan swap, I can
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Speaker 13: single handedly end in the tear movement.
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Speaker 5: Your parish, Simon.
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Speaker 3: And she made a couple of other jokes at the
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Speaker 3: Teal's expense as well for being Greens in disguise. Now,
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister was not nearly as funny in his
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Speaker 3: speech last night, but there was one decent gag And say.
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Speaker 10: You might have noticed we're being pretty busy continuing out.
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Speaker 10: Last week, of course, we had our economic reform round
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Speaker 10: tail three days in the Cabinet group. This is what
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Speaker 10: happens when you asked Jim Chance as.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's hope. Albanese's Bucks party is slightly more exciting
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Speaker 3: than that ten hours a day in a room with economists.
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Speaker 3: So there you go behind the scenes. Look at the
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Speaker 3: chummy relationship between politicians and journalists working in the Canberra bubble.
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Speaker 3: But really the stars of the night are the politicians
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Speaker 3: speech writers who embrace the rare opportunity to show their
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Speaker 3: comedic prowess and crack out the jokes. All right, we'll
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Speaker 3: come back to that with my panel a bit later,
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Speaker 3: but to more serious topic now. The Albanese government was
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Speaker 3: today utterly humiliated after the US Defense Secretary took the
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Speaker 3: rare step of issuing a statement to deny he'd held
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Speaker 3: a meeting with Richard Miles. Now Miles, the Deputy Prime Minister,
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Speaker 3: had boasted on social media about his high level meetings
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Speaker 3: with Trump officials, including Vice President Jadie Vance, US Defense
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Speaker 3: Secretary Pete Hegseth, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio. He
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Speaker 3: reportedly didn't have these meetings locked in when he flew
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Speaker 3: to Washington. So when we went to l last night,
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Speaker 3: it seemed like his visit had been a success. But
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Speaker 3: cracks started to show when the press conference Miles had
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Speaker 3: scheduled was suddenly canceled, and then today something even more astonishing.
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Speaker 3: The US Defense Department issued a statement to say there
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Speaker 3: had been no meeting between Hegseth and Miles. A US
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Speaker 3: Defense official said in a statement, we can confirm there
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Speaker 3: was not a meeting. It was a happenstance encounter. No meeting,
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Speaker 3: a happenstance encounter extraordinary, So it wasn't a case of
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Speaker 3: the press conference being canceled. It's that there wasn't even
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Speaker 3: a formal official meeting now. The Pentagon later issued another
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Speaker 3: statement saying that Secretary hag Seth welcomed the opportunity to
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Speaker 3: meet in person with Miles for the third time this year,
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Speaker 3: and that their meeting at the White House on Tuesday
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Speaker 3: was coordinated in advance, coordinated being an interesting word, but
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Speaker 3: the damage had been done, and Shadow Defense Minister Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor demanded answers in Parliament today.
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Speaker 14: Was this a meeting with Secretary Higgsith or just a
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Speaker 14: photo opportunity and was there an outcome beyond the photo.
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Speaker 15: Presumably those officer think that the photos that have been
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Speaker 15: published were magically generated by AI.
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Speaker 3: And Miles accused the opposition of not supporting the US relationship,
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Speaker 3: which of course isn't true. Defense expert Peter Jennings said
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Speaker 3: on this show last night that he suspected the dogs
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Speaker 3: hadn't gone well.
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Speaker 16: I understand that really what perhad was more a photo
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Speaker 16: opportunity than a discussion. And then Miles cancels his press
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Speaker 16: conference afterwards, Sherry, and one thing I can tell you
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Speaker 16: about the Albanese government as they like their press conferences,
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Speaker 16: so canceling it says to me that whatever Males heard
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Speaker 16: it wasn't positive.
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Speaker 3: But it appears it was even worse than Jennings predicted,
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Speaker 3: because it's likely heg Seth wanted to make a point
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Speaker 3: through his public statement denying there'd been a meeting. The
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Speaker 3: Australia relationship seems to be on shaky ground. Albanesi and
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Speaker 3: Trump have no personal relationship, and part of the problem
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Speaker 3: is Albanesi's refusal to increase defense spending, even though Europe
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Speaker 3: has committed to five percent of its GDP on defense,
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Speaker 3: and Australia still sits it not even two percent. And again,
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Speaker 3: part of the problem is that Albanesi has been closing
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Speaker 3: up to China, critical of Israel, and weak on national security.
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Speaker 3: The latest example is the revelation that he chose not
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Speaker 3: to list the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Core as a terrorist organization,
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Speaker 3: despite Home Affairs advising him to do so. The Herald
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Speaker 3: reports that Australia's Home Affairs Department wanted Iran's Revolutionary Guard
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Speaker 3: Corps listed as terrorists in the first twelve months of
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Speaker 3: Labour's first term, over a year before the Islamic Republic
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Speaker 3: recruited local criminal networks to launch anti Semitic acts and
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Speaker 3: fement tension in Australia. Well Susan Lee asked the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister about this in question time today.
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Speaker 9: Yesterday the Prime Minister told the House that, quote, we
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Speaker 9: listened to intelligence agencies. We don't try to second guess them.
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Speaker 9: But this morning it was revealed that the Home Affairs
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Speaker 9: Department advised the government to list Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps
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Speaker 9: as a terrorist organization more than two years ago. Prime Minister,
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Speaker 9: when this national security advice was received, on what basis
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Speaker 9: did the government reject it.
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Speaker 3: And in keeping with his practice of avoiding accountability and transparency,
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Speaker 3: Albinizi did not answer her question and it led to
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Speaker 3: this point of order from Susan Lee, a point of
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Speaker 3: order on relevance.
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Speaker 9: If I may aim, mister speaker, this is a question
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Speaker 9: about the government's decision to reject national security advice two
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Speaker 9: years ago. The Prime Minister is not in order.
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Speaker 3: And even after that he refused to explain to Australians
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Speaker 3: why he ignored national security advice to list the IIGC
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Speaker 3: as a terrorist organization. He can't explain it because he
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Speaker 3: must know he acted recklessly and irresponsibly, jeopardizing the safety
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Speaker 3: of Australians, particularly the Jewish community. And to add insult
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Speaker 3: to injury, after refusing to properly answer questions on national
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Speaker 3: security in question time, Albanesi boasted about his a chief
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Speaker 3: meant in getting cheaper beer.
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Speaker 15: But we've even got your back if you are not
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Speaker 15: working on the weekend, but you're at the local pub,
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Speaker 15: because one of the things we've done is frisen the
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Speaker 15: draft beer exhaust so you and your mates can have
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Speaker 15: a cheaper pint this weekend.
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Speaker 3: And then they were all laughing. Is it any wonder
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Speaker 3: President Trump doesn't want to meet with Alban easy. He's
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Speaker 3: more keen to speak about cheaper beer than national security.
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Speaker 3: The moral confusion of this government was again highlighted further
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Speaker 3: today when Dave Sharma pointed out that Penny Wong had
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Speaker 3: holed in the Israelis more than the Iranians. The government
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Speaker 3: summoned Israeli's ambassador on three occasions since twenty twenty three
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Speaker 3: since October seven, twenty twenty three, and summoned Iran's ambassador
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Speaker 3: just twice, according to Sharma, and it has taken hostile
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Speaker 3: moves against Israel rather than being grateful for its intelligence cooperation, which,
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Speaker 3: as I reported last night, helped to unravel the Iranian
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Speaker 3: terror plot. Now, Dave Shima says that rather than focusing
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Speaker 3: their attention on the sources of much misery and conflict
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Speaker 3: in the Middle East, Iran and its terror proxies, the
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Speaker 3: government has spent most of its time scrutinizing and criticizing
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Speaker 3: Israel's conduct in a war it did not start and
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Speaker 3: did not want. Sharma told Sky News reporter Oscar Godsel.
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Speaker 3: The fact that Defat has called in the ambassador for Israel,
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Speaker 3: a fellow liberal democracy with whom we enjoy long standing
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Speaker 3: and friendly ties more times than the ambassador for Iran,
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Speaker 3: a country that has been revealed as orchestrating attacks against
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Speaker 3: Australian citizens on Australian soil. Shows the completely inverted moral
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Speaker 3: logic of this government. And there have been too many
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Speaker 3: exams of this inverted moral logic, as Shama puts it,
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Speaker 3: where the Albanezi government has cemented relationships with countries and
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Speaker 3: the access of evil and unforgivably alienated our long standing allies.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in our panel for tonight and
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Speaker 3: joining me is Sky News host kayleb Bond and LNP
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Speaker 3: Senator James McGrath. Welcome to you both, And before we
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Speaker 3: get back into the serious topics, I do want to
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Speaker 3: start with those Midwinter Ball speeches that I just played, Caleb.
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Speaker 3: How did you rate those jokes?
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Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
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Speaker 4: I wish we would see more of this side of
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Speaker 4: our political leaders, because this is the stuff that endears
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Speaker 4: people to a political leader. You know, they call it
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Speaker 4: to show business for ugly people, but when you get
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Speaker 4: to see the more personal side of politicians, you can
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Speaker 4: start to warm to them, and so often that's what
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Speaker 4: we fail to do. I don't know what the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister is complaining about with the Treasurer organizing his Bucks party,
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Speaker 4: because it was literally a Bucks party. They were there
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Speaker 4: talking about money, and it was a stripper's convention. I
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Speaker 4: don't mean, you know, women getting the klober off, but
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Speaker 4: it's a bunch of people in a room working out
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Speaker 4: how to strip us about how to earned money. What
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Speaker 4: more could you ask for, Prime Minister?
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Speaker 3: Exactly? James, you weren't there last night. You you know,
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Speaker 3: have told me that you boycott Midwinter Ball. I personally
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Speaker 3: haven't been since I think twenty nineteen, but you know
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Speaker 3: you heard some of the funny lines from the speeches.
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Speaker 3: How do you think Barnaby Joyce is going to be
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Speaker 3: taking that line where Susan Lee made a joke about
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Speaker 3: his virility.
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Speaker 1: I think Barnaby will have a laugh. Barnaby is a
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Speaker 1: pretty tough nut, and he knows that people will have
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Speaker 1: a laugh at his expense and he will have a
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Speaker 1: laugh at their expense. And that's the point of politics.
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Speaker 1: It's not taking yourself seriously to to Caleb's point, because
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Speaker 1: most politicians are pretty normal people. But for some reason,
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Speaker 1: when we put a camera in front of us. We
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Speaker 1: sort of tints up and start speaking like demented accountants.
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Speaker 1: And what you saw last night with the politicians was
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Speaker 1: cracking jokes. I guess what they do, crack jokes. They
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Speaker 1: are normal people. And some of those lines from Susan's speech,
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Speaker 1: they are really really funny. So hebber came up with them.
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Speaker 1: They've got a career ahead of them. They are speech
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Speaker 1: is comedy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly what presumably her speech, right. I mean, they
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Speaker 3: were pretty good. They were better than Albanesi's jokes. I
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Speaker 3: would have played more of Albinizi's but he was referring
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Speaker 3: to slides, so it didn't really work with the audio.
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Speaker 3: In fact, that was the only gag that did work.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I still thought, apart from her gag
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Speaker 3: at the announce, it was also funny how she was
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Speaker 3: self deprecating. She made fun of herself, and they've actually
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Speaker 3: had that extra s to her name for numerology.
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Speaker 4: I know, which which she's later changed the story on
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Speaker 4: a bit, but at least you can make fun of
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Speaker 4: herself again. It goes to what we like to see
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Speaker 4: in apolic I do have to ask you, James, though,
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Speaker 4: if we're talking about virility when you say tough nut,
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Speaker 4: was that deliberate or inadvertent?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Kayleb, Please let's move along.
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Speaker 3: Let's turn to this Richard Miles meeting with Pete Hagseth
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Speaker 3: and JD Vance, which was described by a US Defense
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Speaker 3: official as happenstance. Okayler, what do you think is going
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Speaker 3: on here?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's bizarre, isn't it for the US to say
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Speaker 4: that this was not a meeting and then laters say
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Speaker 4: it is a meeting. I mean, what is the truth here?
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Speaker 4: To be honest, you can put all of that aside,
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Speaker 4: I think to some degree and say the real embarrassment
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Speaker 4: is that we even have to send an intermediary to
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Speaker 4: try and get a meeting with Donald Trump, which is
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Speaker 4: essentially what this is. It's Richard Miles trying to go
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Speaker 4: and lay the groundwork so we can eventually get the
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Speaker 4: meeting with the man we actually want to have a
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Speaker 4: meeting with. And the fact that we have to do
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Speaker 4: that in the first place, regardless of how bizarre this
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Speaker 4: whole thing has been about, whether it was a meeting
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Speaker 4: or not with HeiG Sith, is the real issue. Why
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Speaker 4: do we have to go through all this rigmarole? And
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Speaker 4: why are we sending, of all people, Richard Miles to
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Speaker 4: go and do the job.
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Speaker 2: I mean the Prime.
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Speaker 3: Minister said, but he's only semi sensible one. Well, I
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Speaker 3: thought that's true.
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Speaker 4: But the Prime Minister ought to be on a plane
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Speaker 4: going to see Donald Trump. We shouldn't be sending the
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Speaker 4: Defense minister, or that the deputy Prime Minister as he
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Speaker 4: also is, to go and try and organize a meeting
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Speaker 4: for the Prime minister.
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Speaker 3: I mean often when there are meetings, you see them
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Speaker 3: sitting down at a table together. So I wonder whether
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Speaker 3: and the defense official said there was no meeting, so
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Speaker 3: I wonder whether they sat down at all, or he
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Speaker 3: just went into the office, did a meet and greet,
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Speaker 3: They had a photo opportunity and that was that was it.
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Speaker 3: But James, what questions do you still think that Richard
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Speaker 3: Miles needs to answer over this?
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Speaker 1: Well, what was discussed at this meeting, whether it was
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Speaker 1: a happenstance. What seems like a bit of an omni shambles.
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Speaker 1: He's gone all the way over there. No meetings were
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Speaker 1: locked in, and you know with politics and when you
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Speaker 1: have meetings, you want to have an agenda before you
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Speaker 1: go there. There appears to be no agenda. He's got
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Speaker 1: on a plane. Has he taken his golf clubs with him?
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Speaker 1: Did he have time to play golf, because we know
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Speaker 1: he likes doing that. And I speak to someone, I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that our defense minister is best.
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Speaker 1: He's with the Secretary of State of Defense for the
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Speaker 1: United States. I want them to get on because they
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Speaker 1: are a most important ally. But it appears that Richard
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Speaker 1: Males he's just sort of turned up, sort of like
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Speaker 1: he's a bit lost, and he's sort of letting down
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Speaker 1: us and letting down the alliance more importantly. But to
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Speaker 1: Caleb's point, it's been two hundred ninety days since President
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Speaker 1: Trump was elected and Prime Minister alban Easy is yet
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Speaker 1: to have a proper meeting with President Trump. This sends
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Speaker 1: a wiring sign to how America sees us because of
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Speaker 1: the behavior and the conduct of Prime Minister Albanies in
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Speaker 1: his ministers towards America. And Richard Marles is the latest
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Speaker 1: thing example of the Omni shambles that is the current alliance.
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Speaker 3: We've got a few other topics to talk about, but
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Speaker 3: just very quickly on that point. I do think that
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Speaker 3: Richard Marles is in a sense the victim of the
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Speaker 3: absurd foreign policy position of the Albanezi government and the
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Speaker 3: rehtoric from the Prime Minister, from Penny Wong and from
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke. And that's what the Trump administration is reacting
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Speaker 3: to the closeness with China as well. All right, let's
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Speaker 3: get to this story. Absolutely sensational stories leading the Sky
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Speaker 3: News website. You can go check it out. A series
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Speaker 3: of leaked emails from the e Safety Commissioner Julie in
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Speaker 3: Man Grant have linked her to a plot to limit
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Speaker 3: the reach and influence of Donald Trump and pro Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump content. In twenty twenty two, in emails between Grant
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Speaker 3: and the Global Alliance for Responsible Media known as GAM,
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Speaker 3: there was back and forth discussions about the election, including
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Speaker 3: this one in which GAM co found Robert Rakowitz said,
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Speaker 3: my main thing I need to see. My main thing
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Speaker 3: is I need to see Trump and denials effectively sidelined.
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Speaker 3: But I am afraid the contagion is too widespread, and
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Speaker 3: Grant responded by saying America is not the country of
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Speaker 3: promise I grew up in or left twenty two years ago.
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Speaker 3: It must be soul destroyed. And she even said in
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Speaker 3: another exchange that he should come and live in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Now Matt Canavan and Alexander are now demanding that all
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Speaker 3: of her emails be released. But Caleb, this is a
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Speaker 3: senior bureaucrat in control of censorship of the Internet in
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Speaker 3: Australia and she's emailing someone who's speaking about censoring a
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Speaker 3: presidential candidate.
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Speaker 4: I'll keep the bloke away from Australia. We don't need
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Speaker 4: another nick nanny. We've already got Julian mngrant. I have
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Speaker 4: to say years ago, I liked the cut of her
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Speaker 4: jib when she first came into the role and she
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Speaker 4: was talking about cracking down on child pornography and all
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Speaker 4: this sort.
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Speaker 2: Of stuff, like, oh, this is great.
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Speaker 4: But she seems to have been consumed by the power
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Speaker 4: of the role, and that has become quite evident in
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years, and particularly now when we're
23:08
Speaker 4: talking about restricting social media for children, etc. Why is
23:14
Speaker 4: a bureaucrat employed by the government dealing with this garm
23:18
Speaker 4: mob which is now being shut down, which was essentially
23:22
Speaker 4: created by a global advertising lobby group to put pressure
23:28
Speaker 4: on social media companies to not allow advertising next to
23:32
Speaker 4: content that they didn't like, and they started out saying
23:34
Speaker 4: it shouldn't be next to illegal content, fair enough, but
23:37
Speaker 4: later on Elon Musk, running X and Rumble, another platform
23:43
Speaker 4: went after garm in the court and said that they
23:45
Speaker 4: were conspiring against conservative content and were trying to sensor
23:49
Speaker 4: advertising from being allowed next to conservative content. What on
23:53
Speaker 4: earth is a bureaucrat dealing with what is essentially a
23:57
Speaker 4: commercial outfit to try and send the potential and former
24:02
Speaker 4: at that point in time president of the United States.
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Speaker 2: It is very odd behavior.
24:06
Speaker 3: The only thing I've disagree with you on is that
24:08
Speaker 3: she was always a woke bureaucrat. I've done some reporting
24:13
Speaker 3: on her background before. We won't go into it all
24:15
Speaker 3: again now, but she was always a woke bureaucrat, and
24:18
Speaker 3: it was Turnbull who appointed her to that role. I
24:21
Speaker 3: just want to get to another couple of topics, so, James,
24:23
Speaker 3: I won't get your response to that one in particular,
24:25
Speaker 3: but this was a fascinating meeting. Donald Trump held a
24:29
Speaker 3: meeting in the White House with former British Prime Minister
24:33
Speaker 3: Tony Blair and former Middle East Envoy Jared Kushner on
24:38
Speaker 3: the future of the governing body for Gaza after the war. Now, James,
24:44
Speaker 3: these are really important discussions, and I'm pleased the US
24:48
Speaker 3: is taking an involvement here, taking a leadership role. Would
24:52
Speaker 3: be good to know what else was discussed. Do you
24:54
Speaker 3: think Tony Blair and Jared Kushner are voices that Trump
24:58
Speaker 3: should be listening to on this on on who will
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Speaker 3: run Gaza after the war?
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Speaker 1: In a way, I do think they are voices that
25:07
Speaker 1: the President Trump should should be listening to. Jared Kushner,
25:11
Speaker 1: notwithstanding the relationship that he has with the President through marriage,
25:16
Speaker 1: had quite a good reputation following his work during the
25:19
Speaker 1: first Trump presidency in the Middle East. So is someone
25:22
Speaker 1: who actually does understand the nuances of the relationships are
25:26
Speaker 1: between the particular countries. And as much as Tony Blair
25:29
Speaker 1: is one of my political opponents, he was a very
25:32
Speaker 1: successful Prime Minister of the UK for a number of
25:35
Speaker 1: years before he went off on the course. So I
25:37
Speaker 1: think it is good that President Trump is elected is
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Speaker 1: choosing to listen to people such as Tony and Jared
25:44
Speaker 1: in terms of what we need to do with Gaza
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Speaker 1: once the war is over.
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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of secrecy around these discussions. I
25:51
Speaker 3: asked Sharon Housco on the show last night and she
25:54
Speaker 3: didn't really want to go into what exactly the plan
25:57
Speaker 3: is now, just finally to end the discussion to the
26:00
Speaker 3: Australian cricketer, Usman Kouwaja met with Alberanizi today where he
26:04
Speaker 3: demanded sanctions on Israel in disgusting comments. Have a look.
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Speaker 17: It takes courage to do what he did, and I
26:16
Speaker 17: respect that, but I also think it takes a little
26:18
Speaker 17: bit more courage now to go over the next step
26:21
Speaker 17: and have actions and sanctioned Israel. And I genuinely believe
26:25
Speaker 17: that Prime Minister Alvin Eazi is the man to have
26:28
Speaker 17: that courage and do that. He's shown it. He's shown
26:31
Speaker 17: that he likes to get into scrap. We Aussie's we
26:33
Speaker 17: love a scrap, we know we do. And I think
26:35
Speaker 17: he's shown that he's got for better words than Kohunas
26:39
Speaker 17: to go out there and do it.
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Speaker 3: Now. Treasurer Jim Chalmers was also in this meeting.
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Speaker 18: I was also able to join a discussion between Osman
26:49
Speaker 18: and the Prime Minister. A good discussion in the Prime
26:53
Speaker 18: Minister's office between Osmond Kowaja and Prime Minister Albanizi. Grateful
26:58
Speaker 18: to the PM for making time for Uzzie, and I'm
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Speaker 18: grateful to Aussie for making the trip.
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Speaker 3: I this is just so infuriating and upsetting. I mean,
27:09
Speaker 3: he's a cricket player, fine, he might be a great
27:12
Speaker 3: cricket player, maybe the best cricket player, but he's not
27:14
Speaker 3: a Middle East expert. And I didn't hear him mention
27:17
Speaker 3: once Harmas or the hostages, or how this wall could
27:22
Speaker 3: end in a second if Hermas laid down arms and
27:26
Speaker 3: release the hostages. I mean, Caleb, I really think this
27:29
Speaker 3: is disgraceful that there are people in influential positions like
27:32
Speaker 3: this who are pushing for sanctions against Israel, discriminatory treatment
27:38
Speaker 3: against Israel. You know, why would the Prime Minister and
27:42
Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers listen to him on this?
27:44
Speaker 1: Well?
27:44
Speaker 4: I know, I'm particularly given the timing of the news
27:46
Speaker 4: we've heard this week as well. I mean, look that
27:48
Speaker 4: the blokes are right with the bat in the top order,
27:50
Speaker 4: but what right does that give him to go walking
27:53
Speaker 4: around Parliament House getting meetings with the Prime Minister dictating
27:56
Speaker 4: to him foreign policy. He's a cricketer, is as you say,
28:00
Speaker 4: he's not an expert on the Middle East, and we
28:03
Speaker 4: know he is a Muslim, we know the position he
28:05
Speaker 4: comes from on these things. I mean it should just
28:08
Speaker 4: be dismissed out of hand, and to have that meeting
28:11
Speaker 4: in light of what we found out about Iran this week,
28:14
Speaker 4: I think is terribly responsible.
28:16
Speaker 3: Chris Kenny had a really good editorial on this earlier tonight.
28:20
Speaker 3: So if you missed his show, go back look up
28:23
Speaker 3: his editorial because he had a bit more to say
28:25
Speaker 3: in it and couldn't have said it better than he did.
28:28
Speaker 3: All Right, Kayler Bond, James McGrath, great to see you
28:31
Speaker 3: both tonight. Well let's turn now to the fallout from
28:35
Speaker 3: Linda reynolds win against Britney Higgins yesterday. Now Higgins has
28:40
Speaker 3: to pay Reynolds more than three hundred and forty thousand
28:43
Speaker 3: dollars in damages because she lost this defamation case. Then
28:47
Speaker 3: there's also legal costs and The Australian reports this could
28:51
Speaker 3: put at risk Britney higgins two point four million dollar
28:55
Speaker 3: Commonwealth compensation. Now covering this case for The Australian has
28:59
Speaker 3: been senior reporter Paul Garvey, who joins me. Now, Paul,
29:03
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. So could Britney Higgins now have
29:07
Speaker 3: to pay the equivalent of her compensation payout from the
29:11
Speaker 3: federal government.
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Speaker 19: It's certainly easy to see how it could get to
29:15
Speaker 19: that level, because obviously there's that headline number of three
29:19
Speaker 19: hundred and forty thousand, but really that's going to pale
29:22
Speaker 19: in comparison to the legal costs incurred over quite a
29:26
Speaker 19: long and ugly and brutal court room battle. The conservative
29:31
Speaker 19: estimates that have reached me have been in the vicinity
29:34
Speaker 19: of seven to eight hundred thousand dollars per side. Others
29:38
Speaker 19: are saying it would have well and truly gone into
29:41
Speaker 19: the million plus mark for at least one of.
29:43
Speaker 5: Those sets of legal representations.
29:45
Speaker 19: So you add all those things together, and Linda Reynolds
29:49
Speaker 19: herself said after the verdict yesterday that she had spent
29:52
Speaker 19: millions of dollars on her various fights. You can see
29:56
Speaker 19: how quite quickly the two point four or at least
29:59
Speaker 19: whatever's left that too two point four could well and
30:02
Speaker 19: truly be sucked up here by the settlement and those
30:04
Speaker 19: legal costs.
30:06
Speaker 3: And I think Higgins are from memory she received about
30:08
Speaker 3: one point nine million of that two point four because
30:11
Speaker 3: about half a million went in in legal costs, so
30:14
Speaker 3: I think that was what was reported. And then they
30:16
Speaker 3: bought the house in France. They've sold the house in France,
30:20
Speaker 3: so I don't.
30:21
Speaker 5: Think they we've made much money out of that as well.
30:23
Speaker 19: And you know, it looks like she's been having quite
30:27
Speaker 19: a good life, a great big wedding, all that sort
30:29
Speaker 19: of stuff, So she definitely treated herself through there.
30:32
Speaker 5: So just how much how big that pool of money
30:34
Speaker 5: we don't really know.
30:36
Speaker 19: The other big gun known though, is just how much
30:37
Speaker 19: of that wound up in the trust that was set
30:40
Speaker 19: up soon after that settlement, and then what will be
30:43
Speaker 19: the legal process to actually access that trust and access
30:48
Speaker 19: whatever funds are left there if the court finds that
30:50
Speaker 19: Linda Reynolds and her team are indeed entiled to that.
30:54
Speaker 3: I spoke last night about how from the very inception
30:57
Speaker 3: of this story, when Britney Higgins and David your Ours
31:00
Speaker 3: met with television host Lisa Wilkinson, they discussed Reynolds, they
31:04
Speaker 3: called her an idiot and she quickly became a target.
31:08
Speaker 3: And I think for a lot of people looking at
31:10
Speaker 3: this this judgment from Justice Tottle, you know, there does
31:16
Speaker 3: seem to be vindication because a young woman's rape was
31:21
Speaker 3: exploited and weaponized against the then Morrison government. What do
31:26
Speaker 3: you think about this.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, it's just one of the many tragic aspects of
31:31
Speaker 19: this story, right, and that what came out in the
31:35
Speaker 19: trial was and what the judge himself found was there
31:38
Speaker 19: of this quite clear deliberate approach to turn this into
31:44
Speaker 19: more than the rape itself, to make this a political saga,
31:50
Speaker 19: and that meant going after Linda Reynolds as her direct boss, and.
31:55
Speaker 5: It meant going after the Morrison government.
31:56
Speaker 19: So the messages that were that came were attended in
32:00
Speaker 19: court during the course of this trial to be those
32:02
Speaker 19: between her now husband David Chaaz and various journalists really
32:08
Speaker 19: showed that, at least in his eyes, there was quite
32:11
Speaker 19: a conscious effort to portray this as a political cover
32:15
Speaker 19: up and political scandal, and that really gave this story
32:19
Speaker 19: far more legs than it otherwise would have had.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it made it a political story rather than one
32:27
Speaker 3: about it a young woman's terrible rape in Parliament House.
32:31
Speaker 3: All right, Paul Garvey, thank you so much. We'll continue
32:33
Speaker 3: reading your reporting in the OS. No problem still to come.
32:38
Speaker 3: Global influencer Montana Tucker is coming up on the show.
32:41
Speaker 3: I asked her how she fights the anti Hamas narrative online, sorry,
32:45
Speaker 3: the anti the pro harmus narrative online plus why is
32:49
Speaker 3: it taking so long to catch Deisi Freeman? A police
32:53
Speaker 3: expert will be up next Welcome back. The search for
33:00
Speaker 3: the alleged police shooter Daisy Freeman continue today and the
33:04
Speaker 3: man hunt is now set to enter its fourth day tomorrow.
33:09
Speaker 3: Victorian police appealed directly to the killer, issuing this plea if.
33:14
Speaker 4: Daisi Freeman's watching this ring triple zero and we will
33:19
Speaker 4: support us over endoplane, that options open to him absolutely.
33:23
Speaker 3: To discuss now from Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig, David,
33:29
Speaker 3: great to see you. Why is it taking so long
33:33
Speaker 3: to catch Daisy Freeman?
33:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think that's a reasonable question for the
33:36
Speaker 2: public to ask.
33:37
Speaker 14: However, when you look at it operationally, this is an
33:40
Speaker 14: extremely complex operation where there are abandoned mind shafts, there
33:44
Speaker 14: are caves, it's dense forest land, and this person, self
33:48
Speaker 14: declared sovereign citizen, is an extremely unpredictable and desperate person.
33:52
Speaker 2: It's already murdered two people, so it's not easy to do.
33:56
Speaker 14: There have been comparable case. There is a comparable case
33:58
Speaker 14: in the New Zealand to the moment with a guy.
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Speaker 2: Called Thomas Phillips.
34:02
Speaker 14: Tom Phillips has been on the run for four years
34:04
Speaker 14: in rural and New Zealand after a custody dispute, and
34:07
Speaker 14: New Zealand police have been able to locate that person.
34:10
Speaker 14: I'm not suggesting this will happen on this occasion. I'm
34:12
Speaker 14: very impressed with the Victorian police resources have been thrown in.
34:16
Speaker 14: I know they're complimented by the Australian Federal Police technical
34:18
Speaker 14: resources as well, and I hope that there's a peaceful
34:21
Speaker 14: resolution to this and we can bring this guy before
34:23
Speaker 14: the courts.
34:24
Speaker 3: I mean, we know there's heat detection technology, so it's
34:29
Speaker 3: just hard to understand why it would be taking so long.
34:32
Speaker 3: Can you tell us, I mean, for a lot of US,
34:34
Speaker 3: sovereign citizen is a fairly new term. Can you tell
34:37
Speaker 3: us what that means and why Daisy Freeman is considered
34:40
Speaker 3: so dangerous?
34:42
Speaker 14: Well, these people declare themselves as their own sovereignty if
34:45
Speaker 14: you like that. They don't recognize any authority, they don't
34:48
Speaker 14: recognize any government body at all. In fact, they take
34:50
Speaker 14: offense to any sort of pressure or social contract obligations
34:55
Speaker 14: at all.
34:57
Speaker 2: So they are very unpredictable. They are very violent.
35:00
Speaker 14: And generally prep themselves very well, and it'll be very
35:04
Speaker 14: it'll be very interesting to know how prepared he was,
35:07
Speaker 14: whether this was an ambush that he had actually planned.
35:09
Speaker 14: We know that the police went there to execute a
35:11
Speaker 14: search warrant and an arrest warrant as well. However, he
35:16
Speaker 14: was obviously knew they were coming, because he had trail
35:19
Speaker 14: cameras to alert himself that they were coming. And then
35:23
Speaker 14: after shooting the two police or three police officers, killing
35:25
Speaker 14: two of them, he's allegedly fled off then into the bush.
35:29
Speaker 14: It's a very complex operation and he's very unpredictable.
35:33
Speaker 3: I want to turn to a round now because your
35:35
Speaker 3: former counted terrorism at the AFP, before we get into
35:40
Speaker 3: the ins and outs of the actual ASIO investigation, which
35:43
Speaker 3: is so fascinating, I just want to show you these comments.
35:45
Speaker 3: The Iranian ambassador has actually just left Australia. His plane
35:50
Speaker 3: might not have taken off, but at least he was
35:52
Speaker 3: interviewed or doors stopped at the airport a shot while ago.
35:55
Speaker 6: Have a look, did your government authorized terrorist attacks in Australia.
36:00
Speaker 2: They didn't, I low Australian nation.
36:03
Speaker 20: I told you that these are all baseless allegation.
36:06
Speaker 3: Allies in all, so if his plane hasn't taken off yet,
36:11
Speaker 3: it will do shortly. He will be out of the
36:14
Speaker 3: country now. I reported last night that Israeli intelligence, a
36:18
Speaker 3: tip off or a lead from Israeli intelligence, assisted ASIO
36:22
Speaker 3: with their investigation in relation to one of the fire bombings,
36:25
Speaker 3: but that ultimately this was a very complex investigation for ASIO.
36:30
Speaker 3: It involved a chain of people and networks, criminal networks
36:36
Speaker 3: that ultimately they traced back to the IIGC. Yes, you
36:40
Speaker 3: know how complex is this? How difficult is it to
36:44
Speaker 3: track these sort of financial transactions and communications often using
36:49
Speaker 3: encrypted messaging apps.
36:50
Speaker 14: Yeah, well that's the first thing sharing is using encrypted
36:53
Speaker 14: messaging makes it extremely difficult. It's a very complex investigation now,
36:57
Speaker 14: and I know that that AZEO had a good tip
37:00
Speaker 14: off in relation to it, but it doesn't take away
37:02
Speaker 14: from the complexity and relative speed that they've actually executed this.
37:08
Speaker 14: They are a fairly advanced terrorist supporting group, a Republican
37:13
Speaker 14: guard I'm speaking about. They use technology, they have good
37:16
Speaker 14: trade craft, They are difficult to work with or work on,
37:20
Speaker 14: and as I've done a pretty good job.
37:23
Speaker 3: I mean, the AFP would have been involved at some level.
37:26
Speaker 3: You imagine as well do you have any more information
37:29
Speaker 3: about that, Just.
37:30
Speaker 14: That the AFP would have been involved with this definitely,
37:33
Speaker 14: but would have been involved a lot earlier had the
37:36
Speaker 14: iig been prescribed to terrorist organization earlier on, because it
37:40
Speaker 14: would have opened up the pathway to more law enforcement
37:43
Speaker 14: tools and more powers, more awareness of the AFP to
37:45
Speaker 14: get in and put more skin in the game, if
37:48
Speaker 14: you like.
37:48
Speaker 3: Right, So, I just want to expand to that point.
37:50
Speaker 3: I think that's really interesting. So if the IIGC had
37:53
Speaker 3: been listed as a terrorist organization earlier, yes, that would
37:56
Speaker 3: have been helpful to the AFP, that's what you're saying.
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Speaker 14: Happy to say that one hundred percent, And in doing so,
38:03
Speaker 14: I would say that most likely we would have reduced
38:06
Speaker 14: or com mitigated to a fair degree the anti Semitic
38:09
Speaker 14: attacks that we've seen.
38:10
Speaker 3: Really, that's how important a terrorist listing is. It's not
38:14
Speaker 3: just symbolic, it's tangible.
38:16
Speaker 2: It's absolutely tangible.
38:17
Speaker 14: Before the first barley bombing Jamari's lem Meer weren't prescribed
38:22
Speaker 14: to terrorist organization, Indonesian police couldn't had no visibility of them.
38:26
Speaker 3: That's that's really interesting. I'm really glad we know that
38:29
Speaker 3: because I think that hasn't been spelled out clearly in
38:31
Speaker 3: the media yet David Craig, thank you so much for
38:33
Speaker 3: your time. So great to have your expertise. Thank you
38:36
Speaker 3: still to come. How worried should Australians be about new
38:40
Speaker 3: taxes on retirees? An economic journalist will join us and
38:44
Speaker 3: social media style. Montana Tucker is on the show. I
38:48
Speaker 3: asked her how sheer combats the Prohamus content online. That's
38:52
Speaker 3: right after this quick break, welcome back, Well, my next
38:58
Speaker 3: guest is one of the world's most influential social media campaigners,
39:03
Speaker 3: with fourteen million followers across her channels. Montana Tucker usually
39:08
Speaker 3: posts content like this.
39:12
Speaker 5: Jimmy had Done's doom like tims like.
39:18
Speaker 3: But since October seven, she's used her platform to keep
39:21
Speaker 3: the spotlight on her master's actions and the rise in
39:25
Speaker 3: anti Semitism. She's now part of a truly heartbreaking documentary
39:30
Speaker 3: where the youngest victims of October seven share their story.
39:34
Speaker 3: Montana has interviewed children who talk about their experience of
39:39
Speaker 3: that traumatic day and also their ongoing trauma. I spoke
39:44
Speaker 3: to Montana tucka a little earlier. Montana Tucker, thank you
39:48
Speaker 3: so much for your time, So great to have you
39:50
Speaker 3: on the show, and welcome to Australia.
39:54
Speaker 20: Thank you so much for having me. It's my first
39:56
Speaker 20: time here, so I'm so excited to be in Australia.
39:59
Speaker 3: We're excited to have you.
40:01
Speaker 11: Now.
40:01
Speaker 3: You've spoken so powerfully about being the granddaughter of Holocaust
40:05
Speaker 3: survivors and carrying their legacy of never forget, never again.
40:10
Speaker 3: But we're now living in a world drowning in misinformation.
40:13
Speaker 3: It's particularly aimed at young people. How do you cut
40:17
Speaker 3: through that and what's the most dangerous narrative that you're
40:21
Speaker 3: fighting at the moment.
40:24
Speaker 20: You know, I did grow up with those stories, never forget,
40:26
Speaker 20: never again. Both my grandparents are Holocaust survivors. My zd
40:31
Speaker 20: Grandpa passed away five years ago at age ninety seven,
40:34
Speaker 20: and he wore pens every day that said never forget,
40:37
Speaker 20: never again in Survivor. And my grandma, Lily is a
40:40
Speaker 20: survivor of Auschwitz. She's still alive today at age ninety
40:44
Speaker 20: six years old. And I grew up hearing these stories
40:46
Speaker 20: and they always felt so foreign to me, so far away,
40:49
Speaker 20: like that, how could that ever happen? And the stories
40:52
Speaker 20: that they told me, the stories that are in their
40:54
Speaker 20: testimonies from the show, foundation are exactly the same as
40:58
Speaker 20: what is happening right now. And for me, being the
41:01
Speaker 20: grandchild of Holocaust survivors, it is my duty, my responsibility
41:05
Speaker 20: to make sure that I do everything that I can
41:08
Speaker 20: to make sure those words never forget, never again are
41:11
Speaker 20: our reality. And for me having over fourteen million followers
41:15
Speaker 20: across platforms, I have to use my voice in my
41:18
Speaker 20: platforms to combat anti Semitism, all forms of hate, to
41:22
Speaker 20: speak out for Israel, because I know my grandparents would
41:24
Speaker 20: have done the same if they had a social media
41:26
Speaker 20: back then.
41:27
Speaker 3: Look, it's so important what you're doing, and you've paid
41:30
Speaker 3: a huge personal price for it for speaking out off
41:33
Speaker 3: After Octobuse seven hundreds of thousands of followers gone, brand
41:37
Speaker 3: deals canceled. Yet you refuse to stay silent. Where does
41:42
Speaker 3: your strength come from when we see so many other
41:45
Speaker 3: people in an influential position who just refuse to do anything.
41:52
Speaker 20: Well, my strength comes from my grandparents, that's for sure.
41:55
Speaker 20: They know they what they experience no one should ever
41:58
Speaker 20: have to experience in their life lifetime. My grandmother was
42:01
Speaker 20: thirteen years old when she witnessed her mother get beaten
42:04
Speaker 20: up and dragged to the gas chambers and Mizati. The
42:07
Speaker 20: stories that he would tell me, You can't even imagine
42:10
Speaker 20: so their strength and their ability to come to the
42:13
Speaker 20: United States with absolutely nothing after experiencing all the hate
42:17
Speaker 20: that they experienced, but to have so much love inside
42:19
Speaker 20: of them, and to teach my mother, who taught me
42:23
Speaker 20: that you treat people for their kind, hearts and good souls,
42:25
Speaker 20: not for their race, religion, and that has been instilled
42:28
Speaker 20: in me, and just their bravery, their strength, which has
42:31
Speaker 20: passed down to my mother has now been passed on
42:33
Speaker 20: to me. And I will always lead with that in mind,
42:36
Speaker 20: whether it's on social media or off social media, and
42:39
Speaker 20: I hope that others can do the same, and especially
42:41
Speaker 20: our younger generation. There are future leaders, and we need
42:44
Speaker 20: to take the stories of the Holocaust from what we
42:47
Speaker 20: all know from the Holocaust seriously to what is happening now.
42:50
Speaker 20: And that's why I'm so honored to be here with
42:52
Speaker 20: the Melbourne Holocaust Museum, because Holocaust remembrance is so important
42:56
Speaker 20: in Holocaust education is so important now more than ever.
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Speaker 3: And I often think that it is the younger generation
43:04
Speaker 3: that's really on the front line of this anti Semitism crisis,
43:08
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's students at university campuses around the
43:11
Speaker 3: world who are just coming face to face with this
43:13
Speaker 3: hate every single day.
43:16
Speaker 13: Now.
43:16
Speaker 3: You interviewed a lot of the youngest survivors of the
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Speaker 3: October seven Hamas massacre for your new documentary. Can you
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Speaker 3: tell us a bit about you know, their pain, their resilience,
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Speaker 3: and how critical it is for you to make sure
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Speaker 3: their voices are heard before you know, this narrative in
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Speaker 3: the West just takes over.
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Speaker 20: Like I said before, our younger generation, they are the
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Speaker 20: most important people that we all need to be talking
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Speaker 20: about and talking to. And unfortunately where our younger generation,
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Speaker 20: where they're getting all their information is from social media,
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Speaker 20: and what is popular and trending on social media right
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Speaker 20: now is being antisemitic and being an t Israel.
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Speaker 3: It's just a fact.
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Speaker 20: The trending hashtags, what the algorithms are pushing out, that's
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Speaker 20: just factual. So it is so important to cut through there.
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Speaker 20: We can't just be teaching about this in schools. We
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Speaker 20: really need to be posting online and as much as
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Speaker 20: we can. And with my documentary, The Children of October seventh,
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Speaker 20: I'm so grateful that I created this documentary with Castino Communications,
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Speaker 20: where I interviewed kids ages eleven to seventeen that were
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Speaker 20: either taken hostage by hamas witness Tamas murder their family
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Speaker 20: members right in front of them, or their family members
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Speaker 20: were hostages. And these kids ages eleven to seventeen, it
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Speaker 20: reminded me a lot of the stories my grandparents would
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Speaker 20: tell me. My grandmother was thirteen when she went to Auschwitz,
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Speaker 20: and so as we see what's happening with our younger generation,
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Speaker 20: I felt this documentary they could hear from kids and
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Speaker 20: teens their age and they could really relate to it.
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Speaker 20: And the documentary has already made such a huge impact.
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Speaker 20: It's on Paramount plus and it's available globally. Everywhere Paramount
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Speaker 20: plus is available, and it's really making an impact. So
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Speaker 20: grateful for that because we have to do everything we
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Speaker 20: can and every which way to get the message across.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree. You just mentioned a moment ago about
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Speaker 3: how social media is dominated by pro Palestinian activists and
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of anti Semitism online and you're one
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Speaker 3: of the lone voices really on social media. Do you think,
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Speaker 3: I mean, have you given much thought to what needs
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Speaker 3: to happen here, whether it's an algorithm problem, particularly with
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Speaker 3: TikTok and what needs to change.
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Speaker 20: You know, you say it's pro Palestinian, and I have
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Speaker 20: to say it's almost pro hamas what I see on
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Speaker 20: social media. So it's true a very younger generation, and
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Speaker 20: that's really scary. It's literally pro terrorism, and I think
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Speaker 20: that's something that we all need to take into account.
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Speaker 20: And they're just following the trends. They don't actually know
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Speaker 20: what they're speaking about. They don't know what they're posting.
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Speaker 20: They literally just want to be trending and popular and
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Speaker 20: get millions of and that's what's getting millions of views.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 20: The more controversial you are, the more hateful you are.
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Speaker 20: Unfortunately that is being pushed.
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Speaker 3: But for me.
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Speaker 20: Specifically, and why I feel like my messaging has been
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Speaker 20: cutting through and in certain ways is because a my
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Speaker 20: following is not just the Jewish community or the pro
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Speaker 20: Israel community. It's really across the board, from all my
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Speaker 20: different collaborations and dance and singing and acting collaborations. And
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Speaker 20: I try to every video on my page is different.
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Speaker 3: It's not just me.
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Speaker 20: Speaking about the conflicts. I'll do a dance video, or
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Speaker 20: I'll do a singing video, or I do videos. I
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Speaker 20: did a video with a man who grew up in
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Speaker 20: Gaza until he was seventeen. I did a video with
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Speaker 20: an Arab Muslim piece activist with all different types of
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Speaker 20: people always sharing the same message, and I feel like
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Speaker 20: that's how you get to different communities and how the
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Speaker 20: algorithms push it out to different people is when you're
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Speaker 20: constantly thinking of unique ideas to push the message out there.
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Speaker 3: Montana, taker really appreciate your time, pleasure to have you
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Speaker 3: on the show.
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Speaker 20: Thank you so much for having me, and thank you
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Speaker 20: to the Melbourne Holcast Museum for bringing me here.
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Speaker 3: And you can watch Montana's documentary called The Children of
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Speaker 3: October seven on Amazon Prime or Paramount Plus now still
47:14
Speaker 3: to come. How worried should retirees be about new taxes?
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Speaker 3: I'll speak to an economics journalist after the break. Welcome
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Speaker 3: back and enjoining me now? Is this Australian Newspapers Policy
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Speaker 3: editor Tom Dusevic, Tom, there are deep concerns from economists
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Speaker 3: that the Albaneze government is looking for ways to bring
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Speaker 3: in extra revenue, meaning more taxes, and that retirees are
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Speaker 3: going to bear the brunt of this. What's your view?
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Speaker 6: I don't think anything is going to happen this term.
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Speaker 6: I think the Prime ministry is very conscious of not
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Speaker 6: springing anything on the electorate that he didn't take to
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Speaker 6: the last election. I'd say beyond the next election. I
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Speaker 6: suspect that's where the action will be. Australia's getting more
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Speaker 6: expensive to run in terms of health, age, care, disability
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Speaker 6: and importantly defense costs as well, and I think the
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Speaker 6: impetus is taking the burden of younger workers and trying
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Speaker 6: to tap into some of that wealth that we have
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Speaker 6: accumulated in the country. I know a lot of economists
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Speaker 6: and a lot of retired Conservative economists have said we
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Speaker 6: do a really good job, probably too good a job
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Speaker 6: of taxing income in this country, but a really poor
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Speaker 6: job of taxing wealth. So if you're looking for somewhere
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Speaker 6: where the government is likely to find some fat, it's
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Speaker 6: probably going to be.
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Speaker 3: There because there does seem to be this addiction by
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Speaker 3: the Albanezi government to it from a cradle to grave
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Speaker 3: care economy.
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Speaker 6: Do you agree with that's been the big expansion under
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Speaker 6: this government, and also in the broader economy. It's where
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Speaker 6: a lot of the employment is occurring. It's certainly where
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Speaker 6: some of the massive new commitments that we've had, particularly
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Speaker 6: the NDIS that was growing by twenty percent for many years.
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Speaker 6: The government is trying to curtail that. They did a
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Speaker 6: deal with the States a few years ago. It's looking
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Speaker 6: pretty shaky to get that cap at about eight percent,
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Speaker 6: and the Health Minister last week announced a fairly sort
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Speaker 6: of ambitious goal of only limiting that growth to five
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Speaker 6: or six percent. And the care economy, it's a it's
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Speaker 6: this really perilous position where clearly voters like what they
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Speaker 6: can get from the care economy, but we're increasingly having
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Speaker 6: to really find ways to make that not only more efficient,
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Speaker 6: but also to afford it into the future as we
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Speaker 6: have an aging population.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's where it's going to be so difficult,
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Speaker 3: because these are populist policies, you know, ever expanding NDIS
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Speaker 3: other areas as well, like paying for hex debt. No
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Speaker 3: one's going to vote against this, But then you get
50:21
Speaker 3: yourself into an impossible and unsustainable budget position where the
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Speaker 3: government just looks, as you said, for areas to tax
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Speaker 3: wealthy retirees. I mean, it's just awful. People who've planned
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Speaker 3: for their time it should be able to rely on
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Speaker 3: their savings and what they've prepared for Tom Juzivic really
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Speaker 3: appreciate your time. Thank you so much and I'll see
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Speaker 3: you Monday at eight. Nate Bus will be on the show.
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Speaker 3: Here's Paul Murray