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The Bolt Report | 20 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Some of us have still not learned. This hatred, their hatred,
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  Speaker 1: has gone too far. Yesterday, independent federal politician Helen Haynes
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  Speaker 1: was allegedly mown down by a man in a four-wheel
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  Speaker 1: drive and is now fighting for her life. She has
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  Speaker 1: lost one leg. Surgeons are battling to save the other.
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  Speaker 1: And like many, I say again, this culture of hatred,
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  Speaker 1: of denigrating, of dehumanising, of othering our enemies has got
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  Speaker 1: to stop. Now, that said, today we heard hypocrites, even
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  Speaker 1: a premier, tell us, yes, we've got to turn down
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  Speaker 1: the political rhetoric, even while some stoked it. Now, first, though,
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  Speaker 1: the suspect, before blame is flung around, It's alleged that
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  Speaker 1: Haynes was deliberately mown down. Here's Home Affairs Minister Tony
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  Speaker 1: Burke in caution. You may find the details disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: What witnesses have described is the driver doing a U-turn
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  Speaker 2: to get into the car park and to ram Helen
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  Speaker 2: against her vehicle, then to reverse and do it a
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  Speaker 2: second time.
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  Speaker 1: Thank God for heroic locals who rushed in to help.
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  Speaker 1: these are the true Australians, like the barber who tackled
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  Speaker 1: the driver.
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  Speaker 3: It was crazy. I just ran out the front to
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  Speaker 3: see what was happening. The driver was still in the car.
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  Speaker 3: The car was still on. I had no choice but
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  Speaker 3: to take him out of the car because it was
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  Speaker 3: the right and safest thing to do. He did have
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  Speaker 3: a knife. I basically just took it out of his
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  Speaker 3: pocket and threw it away. I just leant over him and.
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  Speaker 3: Once it was, you know, once he was on the
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  Speaker 3: ground and he was no longer a threat, I just
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  Speaker 3: stood with him and, you know, told him that he
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  Speaker 3: can't leave.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that suspect we now know is 43-year-old Brendan Nugent,
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  Speaker 1: who was reportedly too impaired by drink or drugs for
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  Speaker 1: police to interview him last night. There were also reports
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  Speaker 1: that he needed a mental health assessment, that he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a well man.
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  Speaker 5: He was very erratic and irrational in his thoughts. He
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  Speaker 5: wasn't emotionally regulated either. He was more concerned about, from
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  Speaker 5: what I recall, his passenger door, his phone and his wallet.
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  Speaker 1: So that is already a warning against jumping to conclusions
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  Speaker 1: about any motive. But I do add that, speaking generally,
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  Speaker 1: assassins don't have to be sane or sober to be
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  Speaker 1: inspired by violent political movements. like apocalyptic movements telling them
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  Speaker 1: they're fighting a genocide or the end of the world
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  Speaker 1: or some evil worldwide cabal, and it's either them or us.
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  Speaker 1: So who is this man? Now, to be clear, he's
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  Speaker 1: just a suspect for now. His motives are unknown. He
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  Speaker 1: seemed affected by drink, drugs or a mental disorder. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Mail reports that neighbours say he was frighteningly disturbed, schizophrenic.
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  Speaker 1: And he's also posted in the past that he was broke,
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  Speaker 1: in pain and on disability pension. That said, Brendan Nugent's
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  Speaker 1: social media post suggests he is a vegan anti-logger. He
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  Speaker 1: calls himself a plant person, says the planet would be
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  Speaker 1: better run by dogs and children. He follows mainly green
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  Speaker 1: accounts and is also a global warming alarmist. We even
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  Speaker 1: praised Helen Haynes seven years ago as a politician who
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  Speaker 1: takes climate change seriously. But yes, he's also chipped her
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  Speaker 1: for saying that She'd supported logging jobs, asking her, Hi, Helen,
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  Speaker 1: what was the support given? Nugent's also posted abuse of
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  Speaker 1: One Nation and the Liberals, but savaged Labor after Israel
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  Speaker 1: fought the Hamas terrorists who attacked it on October 7.
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  Speaker 1: And his tweets go quite dark. He accuses Foreign Minister
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  Speaker 1: Penny Wong of giving Israel impunity to kill thousands of
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  Speaker 1: children and of allegedly helping Israeli intelligence bomb children in Gaza. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to work out from all that any motive
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  Speaker 1: to allegedly attack Helen Haynes. Hard to work out who
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  Speaker 1: else to blame. There's certainly nothing in this to justify
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  Speaker 1: Labor today using this tragedy as an excuse to push
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  Speaker 1: its new bill to control the internet. And indeed, we
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  Speaker 1: can't even be sure that political rhetoric is a factor here.
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  Speaker 1: But still, there is in fact in our culture now
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  Speaker 1: such abuse of And such a frantic pushing of apocalyptic causes,
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  Speaker 1: which do seem to make it easier for the young
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  Speaker 1: or the unbalanced to say, I'm excused for attacking other Australians,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because I'm trying to save the world. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not just me saying that. ASIO boss Mike Burgess
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  Speaker 1: today again pleaded for people to cool it, saying ASIO
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  Speaker 1: has seen a direct correlation between inflamed language, inflamed tensions
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  Speaker 1: and acts of violence. I have repeatedly put on the
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  Speaker 1: record my concern about the use of violent rhetoric in
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  Speaker 1: public discourse. Words matter. OK, so that's the background and
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  Speaker 1: a caution against leaping to conclusions, much as we'd love
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  Speaker 1: to do it, to prosecute our favourite enemies. But I
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  Speaker 1: will say there were three hypocrites I heard today that
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  Speaker 1: I do want to mention. First is Victorian Premier Ben Carroll. Now,
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  Speaker 1: he nobly told the ABC, you know, This morning, oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: this attack showed we should not spread hatred, especially, he said,
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  Speaker 1: of female politicians.
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  Speaker 6: Let's look at online hate. Let's look at misogyny. Let's
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  Speaker 6: look at the targeting of female representatives.
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  Speaker 1: Yet just moments later, Ben Carroll himself did exactly what
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  Speaker 1: he warned against by spreading a nasty lie about One
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  Speaker 1: Nation leader Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 7: Do you say Pauline Hanson's racist?
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  Speaker 6: I do believe saying that there are no good Muslims
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  Speaker 6: is as racist as you can get. Saying there are
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  Speaker 6: no good Muslims is racist and that needs to be
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  Speaker 6: called out. How could there be any other interpretation?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there is another interpretation. In fact, Hansa did not say, quote,
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  Speaker 1: there are no good Muslims. She instead asked how you
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  Speaker 1: could be sure which Muslims here would or will not
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  Speaker 1: become radicalised. Now, it's true, I said at the time,
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  Speaker 1: she put it very clumsily, but I did confirm with
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  Speaker 1: her what seemed to me her obvious meaning when she
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  Speaker 1: said this half a year ago.
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  Speaker 8: I've got no time for the radical Islam. Their religion
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  Speaker 8: concerns me because what it says in the Quran, you say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 8: there's good Muslims out there.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 8: How can you, you know, tell me there are good Muslims?
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  Speaker 1: So, Ben Carroll, you should cool it yourself. Now, unbelievably,
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  Speaker 1: that ABC host he was talking to, Raph Epstein, then
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  Speaker 1: invited on the show notorious race baiter Senator Lydia Thorpe
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  Speaker 1: to complain about people who preach division and hatred.
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  Speaker 7: There's so much hate out there that we need to
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  Speaker 7: address that as a country to stop this violence and hate.
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  Speaker 7: I want to bring this country together. I want to
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  Speaker 7: heal this country.
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  Speaker 1: What a shameless hypocrite. Not once did Epstein call Thorpe
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  Speaker 1: out for having herself physically menaced a women's rights campaign
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  Speaker 1: that she wanted to shut down, for having yelled abuse
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  Speaker 1: at the King, accusing him even of wiping out Aborigines
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  Speaker 1: in a genocide, and for declaring war in Australia on
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  Speaker 1: Australia Day. This is a war! They are still killing us!
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  Speaker 8: They are still stealing our babies!
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  Speaker 1: They are killing our men! And they are still raping
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  Speaker 1: our women! That's the ABC's healer today. And to my
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  Speaker 1: final example of hypocrisy, it's Cheek Media's Hannah Ferguson, who
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  Speaker 1: today told the rest of us to turn down the temperature.
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  Speaker 3: I think when we're talking about turning the temperature down,
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  Speaker 3: I think healthy debate and respectful discourse is a big
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  Speaker 3: part of that.
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  Speaker 1: But when Christian activist and Trump supporter Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
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  Speaker 1: this very same Hannah Ferguson wrote, is violence sometimes necessary?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And she went on, am I glad Charlie Kirk will
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  Speaker 1: no longer spread his extremist messaging?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Am I happy that someone shot him in the neck
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  Speaker 1: in broad daylight? No. Is this act of political violence
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  Speaker 1: an act of progress? No. But, she added, do I
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  Speaker 1: understand and respect many of the progressives who disagree with me?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And she's now lecturing us to turn down the hatred.
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  Speaker 1: It is true. We do need to face justice. the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we need more civility in debate. But to
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  Speaker 1: get that, we must all call out the hate preachers,
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  Speaker 1: even when they now tell us, oh, the hate's gone
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  Speaker 1: too far. Especially now, when tonight a good and gentle
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  Speaker 1: woman lies in hospital fighting for life for the crime
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  Speaker 1: of being a politician? Last night I called out Pauline
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  Speaker 1: Hanson for defending a grossly offensive attack on fellow Senator
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Lambie. I said I was disgusted. by her party's
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  Speaker 1: Please Explain cartoon, cruelly mocking Lambie's medical condition, one that
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  Speaker 1: many women would have found embarrassing to even mention. And
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  Speaker 1: today Hanson seems to have belatedly agreed.
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  Speaker 8: The video went up without my actually seeing it and
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  Speaker 8: I was not aware of the content of the video.
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  Speaker 8: I have spoken to the creator of that video. I've
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  Speaker 8: asked him to actually change it. and I respect people's
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  Speaker 8: views and opinions out there, and it wasn't as tastefully
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  Speaker 8: done as it could have been, and I do apologise
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  Speaker 8: for that.
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  Speaker 9: And were you and Barnaby Joyce, given it's really got
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  Speaker 9: your name on it, will you be watching these things
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  Speaker 9: now before they go out?
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  Speaker 8: I will have a closer look over at Kieran. It
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  Speaker 8: does bear my name, and I've got to take responsibility
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  Speaker 8: for that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, big tick for an apology. Many wouldn't apologise when
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  Speaker 1: they'd been caught like that, but good on her. But
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  Speaker 1: I do hope that Hanson now does stop her cartoon
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  Speaker 1: from calling Liberal frontbencher Andrew Hastie, a former SAS captain,
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  Speaker 1: a traitor, a disgusting and shocking slur of a veteran
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  Speaker 1: who must now live with extra security. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be said, Hanson is herself probably the
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  Speaker 1: most threatened woman in Parliament. Moshe lied about and today
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  Speaker 1: called out another of these cool-it hypocrites, in her opinion
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  Speaker 1: at least, Anthony Albanese.
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  Speaker 8: It was just a few weeks ago. You know, he's
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  Speaker 8: putting out a dirt file on Helen. And what he
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  Speaker 8: said about her, because she questioned about the money going
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  Speaker 8: to the Merrifield golf course. And so he's, you know,
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  Speaker 8: the dirt file that the Labor put on many politicians and,
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  Speaker 8: you know, who may go against the Albanese Labor government,
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  Speaker 8: what they're doing, is wrong. And for him to stand
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  Speaker 8: up today and say how wonderful person she is, well, PM, PM,
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  Speaker 8: You have a look at it. You say to tone
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  Speaker 8: it down. Well, then I'll tell the PM, you tone
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  Speaker 8: it down. Get rid of your dirt file that goes
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  Speaker 8: on against parliamentarians, including my party, which I'm constantly dealing
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  Speaker 8: with all the time.
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  Speaker 1: It comes from the top.
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  Speaker 8: Tone it down yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there was a dirt file and it asked reporters
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  Speaker 1: to check if Haynes was had, for instance, any links
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  Speaker 1: to people at a local art gallery that she wanted
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  Speaker 1: funded by government without offering any evidence that she had.
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  Speaker 1: It was just the smear. Joining me is our Tuesday regular,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, the Nationals leader. Matt, great to see you. Now,
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  Speaker 1: to be fair, I cannot say that Albanese is personally
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  Speaker 1: abusive to political opponents. Oh, he's just walked off. I'm
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  Speaker 1: afraid that... Oh, he's back now. Matt, great to see
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  Speaker 1: you back. Look, I've got to say, I can't say
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  Speaker 1: that Albanese is personally abusive to political opponents and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure at all that dirt files like that incite violence.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of finger pointing, though, going on around after
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  Speaker 1: this shocking, shocking attack on Helen Haynes, Matt.
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  Speaker 9: Look, my main thoughts in the last 24 hours, Andrew,
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  Speaker 9: have just been about Helen, how horrific and shocking this is,
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  Speaker 9: it has shocked the political class because you couldn't meet
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  Speaker 9: a nicer lady than Helen Haynes and the world is
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  Speaker 9: cruel and unfair and no one deserves this but all
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  Speaker 9: of us, as I say, are shocked that it's happened
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  Speaker 9: to her. We just hope and pray that she pulls
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  Speaker 9: through this as best as possible given the horrific nature
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  Speaker 9: of what's occurred. Look, I'm not going to contribute to
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  Speaker 9: pointing the finger to anyone. I don't think you can
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  Speaker 9: explain events like this in that sort of way. As
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  Speaker 9: I say, the world is cruel. Sometimes unfair things happen,
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  Speaker 9: terrible things happen. And we have a robust political system. Look,
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  Speaker 9: we all should use some common sense and decency as
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  Speaker 9: we do that, but one thing that I'm very proud
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  Speaker 9: and cherish about Australia is we have a robust political system.
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  Speaker 9: We can have fairly willing debates from time to time
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  Speaker 9: and then you can share a beer with someone afterwards.
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  Speaker 9: It's always been my approach to politics and I think
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  Speaker 9: we should play tough and hard on the field because
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  Speaker 9: that's what we owe our system and it's only through
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  Speaker 9: that adversarial robust debate that we come to better decisions
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  Speaker 9: and outcomes for our country. But then you should be
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  Speaker 9: able to compartmentalise that and, you know, after it all,
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  Speaker 9: still recognise each other as Australians and have a laugh
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  Speaker 9: and get along. So maybe it's that we need to rediscover,
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  Speaker 9: but I'm certainly not going to blame any individual for
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  Speaker 9: events like this when we truly don't know exactly what
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  Speaker 9: happened in any case.
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  Speaker 1: Very well said, Matt, particularly on Helen Haynes, who, as
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  Speaker 1: I said last night, and you've said too, is a
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  Speaker 1: gentle soul. I've never heard a bad word said about her.
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  Speaker 1: And to be honest, I'll say to you, and You
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  Speaker 1: know I mean it. I've never heard you indulge in
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  Speaker 1: language that's inappropriate, that casts a..... you know, makes people
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  Speaker 1: look wicked. You just disagree robustly. This is the point here,
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  Speaker 1: because there is a difficulty now. Democracy does rely very
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  Speaker 1: much on debate and even robust debate. And if a
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  Speaker 1: politician lies, for instance, it shouldn't be out of bounds
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  Speaker 1: to call them a liar. I see people now saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's all terrible. No, Matt, has our political debate really
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  Speaker 1: been as unhealthy and as dangerous as some are now saying?
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  Speaker 9: Look, I suppose the issue with that is then point
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  Speaker 9: to examples. Give real-world examples of where that's happened. Now,
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  Speaker 9: I just heard you quoted some pretty willing political rhetoric
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  Speaker 9: from some political players. Again, are we really drawing a
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  Speaker 9: bow between that and specific events? I'm not going to
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  Speaker 9: do that. uh look as i say we can all
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  Speaker 9: sometimes perhaps try and put a filter of common decency
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  Speaker 9: over it but i definitely think if we go to
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  Speaker 9: specific examples it's pretty common in political paths and history
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  Speaker 9: to call each other lies from time to time when
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  Speaker 9: you've got clear evidence of that happening uh uh there's
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  Speaker 9: there's no reason not to do that i've got a
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  Speaker 9: thick skin i can cop and take it uh look
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  Speaker 9: there's also no doubt this sort of weird you live
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  Speaker 9: in this weird parallel universe there's a as a public
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  Speaker 9: figure these days, and it's not just politicians. Down the street,
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  Speaker 9: when you're talking to people, day to day, everyone's kind
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  Speaker 9: of lovely. And I could count on one hand the
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  Speaker 9: unhelpful or tough interactions I've had with people, and they
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  Speaker 9: haven't been violent in nature, but it's very rare. Then
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  Speaker 9: you go online, it's a totally different world. And people
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  Speaker 9: behind the screen with that remoteness can... can say pretty
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  Speaker 9: crazy and stunning things. Now, again, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 9: drawing that link is... I don't... What I'm worried about
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  Speaker 9: the next few days, people use this terrible tragedy to
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  Speaker 9: try and push their own political wheelbarrows, right, on various
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  Speaker 9: things they want to do about.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen that already.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I... You know, yeah, of course. And, again, I
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  Speaker 9: don't know if you can draw such parallels always to
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  Speaker 9: this stuff. We are seeing a lot more of this
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  Speaker 9: sort of vitriol now because it is written down, it's
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  Speaker 9: in front of us. Was it never there before? I'm
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  Speaker 9: not so sure about that either. There's been political violence,
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  Speaker 9: there's been crazy people in all times in history. I
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  Speaker 9: always try and take a longer perspective on all of
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  Speaker 9: these things. As I say, the world's an unjust place.
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  Speaker 9: I don't have a magic wand to make it better.
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  Speaker 9: All I can do is hope and pray for the
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  Speaker 9: people who are hurt by it and let's hope things
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  Speaker 9: turn out as best they can.
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  Speaker 1: Well said. Full stop. To the economic news today, Matt,
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  Speaker 1: just quickly, the National Australia Bank became the second bank
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  Speaker 1: to announce huge cuts in staff. It's going to dismiss 6%
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  Speaker 1: of its workers, 2,500 of them, more than half of them,
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  Speaker 1: to be dumped before Christmas, which is a very lousy
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  Speaker 1: Christmas present for those poor families. The NAB boss had
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  Speaker 1: recently warned us that the economy is slowing down Housing
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  Speaker 1: markets crashing. That's part of this, but there's also artificial intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: And now we see the results. Is this a one-off,
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  Speaker 1: do you think, or an omen?
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  Speaker 9: Look, I'm very concerned where our broader economic environment is
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  Speaker 9: at right now. And I've been saying for a while,
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  Speaker 9: I think jobs are about to come back on the agenda.
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  Speaker 9: We've been through a period of extremely low unemployment. But
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  Speaker 9: the weakness in our broader economy has been evident for
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  Speaker 9: some time, and I think a lot of businesses have
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  Speaker 9: held off. They want to keep good staff. It's a
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  Speaker 9: tight labour environment, so you don't want to lose people.
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  Speaker 9: But there's only so much businesses can bear, and it's
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  Speaker 9: very unfortunate for people just before Christmas to be facing
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  Speaker 9: these circumstances. It's why we need a government to be
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  Speaker 9: focused on the economy again. We particularly need to be
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  Speaker 9: focused on our shockingly poor productivity performance. Now, the government
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  Speaker 9: convened a roundtable a year ago, where they admitted.
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  Speaker 9: Said to everyone that they would focus on productivity. There's
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  Speaker 9: just been no follow through and things have gotten worse,
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  Speaker 9: not better. Any proper investigation of why we're in this
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  Speaker 9: situation has to centre around the high levels of regulation,
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  Speaker 9: the high energy prices that persist now in our economy.
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  Speaker 9: And the government's basically waved a white flag on energy prices.
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  Speaker 9: They've given up they're not they're going to just do
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  Speaker 9: more of the same which has led to very high
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  Speaker 9: energy prices relying on intermittent weather for our power needs
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: and I've nearly had to move here before because the
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  Speaker 9: clouds are out here in Coffs Harbour we haven't got
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  Speaker 9: much sun today we can't have an energy system like
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  Speaker 9: this in a productive economy we've got to make sure
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: we get back to making tough hard decisions again right
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: You know, you can't have your cake and eat it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Matt, you don't need to tell me.
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: We're in this mess because we thought we could pursue
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: net zero and have a strong economy. We were told
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: these lies. They were lies. And we've got to call
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: them out now. They're lies. Hold hard facts so people
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: can keep their jobs.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And so speaks a former member of the Productivity Commission
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: who probably knows better than most. Matt Canavan, thank you
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: so much for your time. After the break, Donald Trump's
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: former spokesman and how the president picked such a disaster
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: for his new spokesman, new spokeswoman, fired after five days.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: America knows all about political assassinations and assassination attempts, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it's not that new. President Abraham Lincoln shot dead 162
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: years ago. President James Garfield, shot dead. President William McKinley,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: shot dead. President John F. Kennedy, shot dead. President Ronald Reagan,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: shot but survived. President Donald Trump, shot in the ear
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: but survived. And that is just the presidents. Joining me
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: is Sean Spicer, Donald Trump's first White House spokesman, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: now our regular Tuesday commentator. Spoke to him a short
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: while ago. Sean Spicer, great to see you again. Look,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we've just had a politician, Helen Haynes, moaned down by
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a car. We're not used to this kind of thing,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: although we did have a federal opposition leader wounded in
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a shooting attempt in 1966, later a New South Wales
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: state politician assassinated. But obviously America's had a far longer
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and more serious history of political hits, assassinations. How's it
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: changed your politics and has the threat actually got worse?
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Well, in fact, the director of the Secret Service, a
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: guy by the name of Sean Curran, who actually was
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the agent that stood next to President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: when that last assassination attempt went off, did a big
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: interview in the United States last week where he said
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: that the threat level has just gone through the roof.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: There's a million reasons for it. A lot of it
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: has to do with, I think, stuff that people see
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: online and get radicalized or get an idea. We saw
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: it with Charlie Kirk in the United States. That's a
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: long way of saying, Andrew, unfortunately, I think the problem
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: is getting worse in America. And it's not just politicians.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: We saw this with the CEO of a health care
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: company in broad daylight in New York a year and
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: a half ago. The worst part about this, Andrew, is
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: whether it's President Trump, Charlie Kirk, the political activist, this guy,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Brian Harrison, the CEO, there's a portion of the left
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: in our country that celebrates it. They'll set up defense
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: funds and idolize these individuals. It's absolutely sick and grotesque.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Look, it is. That is the thing, that people are
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: shamelessly now cheering political violence. And of course, you saw
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: on October 7, when people, Jews and many of the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: rest of us were mourning the slaughter of 1,200 Israelis
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: on October 7, you actually had pro-Palestinian activists saying, no, no, no,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you know, refusing to condemn it and instead saying, let's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: mourn the Palestinians instead, and include, of course, a lot
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of Hamas terrorists who were perpetrated and who have been
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: shot dead. I mean, the whole thing is just disgusting. Now, Sean,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: last week, a week ago, you were right. You told
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: me that Katie Zachariah... who'd been chosen as the new
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: press secretary for Donald Trump, was being very ambitious in
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: saying that she could hold a press conference, it was
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: essentially her first day, full day at work, at 9am
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: when she couldn't possibly be briefed properly just in a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: normal day, let alone for her first one. You were right,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it turned out to be a disaster. She was nervous
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and she stumbled. Later... Zachariah then was in another controversy.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: She had claimed to be an attorney. That turned out
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: not to be true. She was asked in front of
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you know, where did you graduate? And she said,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in China. She's now been fired. After just five days,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: what did this say? What does this whole fiasco say
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: about White House fitting and whether Donald Trump chooses people
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: who look pretty and just agree with him instead of
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: people who are competent at the job?
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Well, look, in Katie's defense, I've known her for a while.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: She's come on my show from time to time. She's
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: a smart individual. She's no question about it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: She is smart.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: She does a great job of fighting for the America
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: First agenda. But this gets back to the nut of
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: your question. I tell people that part of the job
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: is about 20% of it. And obviously, she had some
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: issues with that part of the job as well. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: caution the White House and the president in particular for
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: just focusing on That part of the duties, right?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Being able to.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Sit in these meetings and handle the rollouts and the coordination,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: the logistical nature of dealing with the media. All of
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: those things are critical. You're talking about being the point
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: person for the government of the United States, for the
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: agencies and the departments. coordinating with outside stakeholders in Congress.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think some people fully appreciate that aspect of
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: the job. I would just caution them as they look
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: for a new person that they do that. Secondly, Andrew,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: it's incumbent upon the candidates who want to put themselves
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: out there for this job to recognize their own strengths
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: and weaknesses. And since Katie's departure, I've gotten a few
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: of these people who have reached out to me and said,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I'm really interested in this job. And I've been pointed
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: with them. And I'd say, let me ask you this.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: How much time in government have you had? How much
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: time have you had dealing with a lot of these
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: members of the press corps? You don't have to hit
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: 100 and get an A plus in every category. But
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: if you're telling me that you've never, you don't have
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: a real fundamental grasp of how government operates, you've never
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: worked with the press corps, then this might not be
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: the best fit for you.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Sean, I've also been utterly dismayed, if not disgusted, by
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. Now, again, but even more pointedly, accusing
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Ukraine and its President Zelensky of being responsible for the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: invasion of their country by Russia... and even praising the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Russian president, the war criminal Vladimir Putin, for his handling
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of this war, and now buying Russian oil, which of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: course means lots of billions of dollars, Russian diesel, billions
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of dollars for Russia's war machine to help them, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: kill Ukrainians. He was at it again overnight. Have a look.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's time for somebody else to negotiate on
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: behalf of Ukraine.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: Russia, frankly, has been fine on Ukraine.
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: They haven't been doing much.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And, Sean, on top of that, Vladimir Putin, seeing that
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Trump is trying to be nice to him, is now
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: suggesting that he and Trump have a meeting with Chinese
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: dictator Xi Jinping, just those three together, know Ukraine, decide
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: what to do about Ukraine. Donald Trump actually seemed to...
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Like the idea here is.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Now, Donald Trump did later say, oh, no, it's going
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: to be about nuclear weapons, nuclear disarmament, which, of course.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: China and Russia are never going to agree to that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Sean, what on earth is going on?
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I believe the only way I can read
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: this is that he is so invested in trying to
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: get a deal. He hates the idea that this war
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: has been a quagmire on his watch. He didn't get
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: into it. It started under Biden's watch. He liked the
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: idea of not having any of these skirmishes take place
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: during his first term, and he desperately wants to see
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: an end to it. That being said, I will say
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: he I think there is more on the diesel front
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: than meets the eye. The idea is in order for
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Russia to ever have an opportunity to export diesel, you
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: would have to have a de-escalation of conflict between Ukraine
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: and Russia because those are clearly sites that Ukraine is
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: currently hitting. I don't know entirely what the plan is here,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: but I do know that ultimately what his goal is,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: is to see this to an end. And the one
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: thing I'll add to this, Andrew, is everybody says, well,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: you're leaning this way or leaning that way. The other day,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: this thing has gone on for what, three and a half,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: four years. Thousands of people have been killed. And There
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: is no end in sight. So at some point, there
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: has to be some kind of concession that says, yes,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: this is ridiculous that Russia was the aggressor and Ukraine
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: was the victim. Yes, it's not fair. But for the
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: sake of human life, for the sake of the end
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: of cessations, we've got to do something. And I don't
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: have the perfect answer for this, but we keep talking
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: around this over and over again as if we send
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: 20 more missiles or 50 more missiles somehow Ukraine's going
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: to poke the fatal blow into Russia?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought we learned that with Hitler.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: You don't... get peace by pleasing the invader, in this case,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the invasion of Czechoslovakia, and forcing the weaker
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: party to surrender their country. You don't buy peace, you
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: buy more war. And that's what's going to happen again.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree with the premise. I get your point.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, tell me how
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Ukraine ultimately results in a win under any current circumstance.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: We've armed them to the tooth. The United States has
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: spent billions. Europe has spent billions. And we've literally just
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: gotten the same result over and over and over again.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So I don't... Well, the thing is you haven't armed
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: them to the teeth here, Sean. They haven't armed them
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to the teeth. In fact, President Trump seems to have
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: turned down satellite assistance to help Ukraine detect and shoot
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: down missiles and drones last week. And also he refuses
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to sell, to donate any more US weapons to Ukraine. Ukraine,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: unless the Europeans buy them themselves. So I don't know
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that that's quite true. That's the problem. You certainly don't
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: stop Russia by giving it more money. I think that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: going to be... We shall see, Sean. We shall see.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: But I just think, dear God, thank you so much
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: for your time. You bet, Andrew. Thank you. After the break,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: many players on Australia's rugby league teams at the World Cup,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: they're refusing to sing our national anthem. and for the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: rights in France by people who hate their country, do
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: we need a rule? You pay for your country, then
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: sing for your country. Two examples this week already of
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a truth that the Arbor Day government still denies, won't
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: face up to, that global warming policies actually cause more
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: damage than global warming ever will. First, the New South
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Wales government yesterday said it had to rush through a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: new policy to save the jobs of 400 miners from
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: its own global warming laws. That's after the High Court
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: last week blocked the extension of the Mount Pleasant coal
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: mine because the Independent Planning Commission allegedly hadn't done enough
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to make sure it minimised the emissions when its coal
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was burned overseas. Now, Premier Chris Means said, oh, well,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: maybe the planet isn't really... worth saving that much if
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it's going to cost these 400 jobs? That's while the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Commission goes off to have another look at this mine proposal.
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: The New South Wales Government will introduce legislation to increase
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: the annual production limit of the Mount Pleasant mine to
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: 16.5 million tonnes until 2032. The reason for this is
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: after discussions with the company, it's become apparent that there
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: are 400 jobs on the line that will go before Christmas.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: So here you have proof that legislated green policies do
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: kill jobs. But if they are union jobs and not,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you know, jobs of NAB bank workers, then maybe that's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: too much even for Labor. The other example is worse
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and it can't be fixed now. Right now, Federal Climate
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Change Minister Chris Bowen, he is sweating over a report
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: into the Snowy 2.0 renewable energy project that is expected
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to admit that the full cost has blown out to
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: an obscene $ 40 billion, when you add the transmission lines,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: $ 40 billion. When we were first told, it would be
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: about $ 2 billion. Told that by global warming dupe Malcolm Turnbull,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: when his prime minister, he announced this new project as
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: if he were the Marlborough man himself. These are big
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: dreams in these mountains, real courage, a belief in the future,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a confidence in Australia. Now his green nonsense stank from
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the start with Turnbull pushing the project even when he
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: was warned on camera that no costings had been done.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: How long will it take to build this, Paul? Well,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: best guess is... We'll get him on the sticky paper now. Yeah, well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I'd only get a cart before the horse.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: A feasibility study will tell us that.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But, you know, it's a six-years type thing, you know.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Six years to build. That was nine years ago. And
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: this snowy pumped hydro scheme is still years away from
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: being finished, if it ever is. And the price for
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: every viewer watching, every Australian man, woman and child... $ 1, 500
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: for every one of you. And remember, all these global
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: warming schemes will not make any difference to the climate
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: that anyone can measure. Joining me are Mia Schlick, Executive
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Director of the Samuel Griffith Society, and Michael Danby, former
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: federal Labor politician and Chairman of the Joint Standing Committee
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade. Mia, this snowy 2.0
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: really is looking like the biggest public policy disaster this
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: century outside the pandemic lockdowns. How on earth do you
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: think such a blunder could be made? Who's to blame?
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: I think there's multiple people to blame here, Andrew. This
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: project is an absolute debacle and it was a disaster
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: waiting to happen. I mean, if you have a look
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: at the Auditor-General's report looking into this project, right from
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: the beginning, the costings were never done properly, the timeline
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: was never constructed properly and there were no mechanisms introduced
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: to actually hold any of the contractors to account.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: So.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: What did they expect to happen? And I think when
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: this project was introduced and it was costed at $ 2 billion,
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: Australians didn't want it then, let alone now, when it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: now expected to cost $ 40 billion. Make no mistake, this
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: was a project that was introduced by Turnbull to please
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: the overseas climate zealots so they could feel good about
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: themselves when they jet-setted overseas to these globalist climate change summits.
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: It had nothing to do with putting Australians first. It's
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: not in Australia's interest. It wasn't in our interest then
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: and it's certainly not in our interest now and it
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: needs to be abandoned.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Michael Danby, it was sus from the start. I'm no expert.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I knew it. How can a $ 40 billion white elephant
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: sail through the Turnbull government, the Morrison government and the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Albanese government and no-one says boo?
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: What a catalogue, Andrew. Nine years, not six. $ 42 billion
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: of Australian taxpayers' money, not $ 2 billion. And as you explained,
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: $ 1, 500 for every Australian. for some so-called battery in the
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: snowy mountains. Mia was generous when she described this as
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: climate change zealots. I think it was climate change investors,
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: which is an issue that should be looked into. I
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: speak on behalf of the ghosts of finance ministers past.
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: I don't mind renewable energy. No reasonable Australian does. You don't, Andrew,
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: but it should be costed against the real costs of
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: doing it versus existing energy and how that is affecting
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: electricity prices. These vast transmission lines, apart from destroying our
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: rural environment and the crazy solar banks that are being
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: imported from China, all have a cost, but they're not
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: fairly evaluated by the Department of Finance or Treasury agencies
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: And it just seems that the environmental zealots inside the
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: department have complete control of the program, led by Sancho
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: Panja himself, Chris Bowen.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Mia, when I see the riots in France, I'm seeing
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: too many people who clearly despise their country and not
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: enough who love it enough to defend it. So I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: flinched when I saw that in the Rugby League World
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Cup that's now on, just... Just how deep a seeming
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: contempt for Australia, or at least its symbols, now goes.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Right here, with almost half the players in the Australian
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: men and the women's team refusing to sing our national anthem.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Have a look. I mean, of course, I don't for
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: a second say those players would themselves join riots or
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: not defend Australian war, but I do wonder how many
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: people love Australia enough to defend it and what we
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: should do about it. There should be, for one, I'd
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: say that people who have picked to play for Australia
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: should also sing for Australia.
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I would think that's a pretty easy call to make, Andrew,
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: and I think having pride in our nation is something
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: that's desperately slipping here in this country, and having a
• 39:19
  Speaker 11: look at the events overseas, you can see the result
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: of division that brews... The result is often violence, and
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: right now I'm concerned with the amount of young people...
• 39:30
  Speaker 11: in this country who are taught not to be proud
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: of Australia, to not be proud of Australia's history, that
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: we've got more to be ashamed of than we do
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: to be proud of, which of course is just simply
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: not true. And Australian sport has a huge role to
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: play in Australian culture. And culture right now in Australia
• 39:47
  Speaker 11: is divided by And singing the national anthem is a
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: really simple way to show that unity. And what I
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: find ironic is we have many political leaders right now
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: who are very focused on stamping out division. They're constantly
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: talking about the division being spruced by the extreme right
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: or the populist right, as they like.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: To call it.
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: They won't call out this behaviour when we have our
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: sporting leaders, who many young people in particular look up to,
• 40:11
  Speaker 11: who are refusing to join in that unity by doing
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: something as simple as singing the Australian anthem. To me,
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: that just speaks volumes about the political leadership in this country.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: But, Michael, for one, I think it's inaccurate to say
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: people are playing for Australia when they clearly don't feel
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that they can sing its national anthem. They're not playing
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: for Australia. I don't know what they're playing for, but
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: it's not Australia.
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  Speaker 12: Perhaps in the men's case, their thick necks are strangling
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  Speaker 12: their vocal cords.
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  Speaker 1: But seriously, Mia and Andrew.
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  Speaker 12: I think a lot of sporting teams are so focused
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  Speaker 12: on the game. I've noticed this for years with VFL
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  Speaker 12: and AFL, that when they're gathered around at the centre,
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  Speaker 12: they don't sing because they're... They're too focused, they're too scared.
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  Speaker 12: Half of them, teams with the women there, didn't know
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  Speaker 12: the words. So it's a great shame, but the statistics
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  Speaker 12: show that younger people aren't willing to fight.
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  Speaker 1: On behalf of Australia.
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  Speaker 12: There was a terrible poll out about that that you
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: had on this program, Andrew, and we can't get enough
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: recruits for the Australian Army. So what would you expect, though,
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: with Richard Miles tearing down all of our heritage military
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  Speaker 12: symbols like, Victoria Barracks in Sydney, but also in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's true. Look, I probably exaggerate saying nearly half.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably nearly a third didn't sing. And, yeah, I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: must say other teams didn't have a problem with their
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: national anthems. There you go. Michael Danby, thank you very
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: much to you both. We must give you more time
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  Speaker 1: next week. Excellent panel. Thank you. After the break, Palestinian
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: extremists now sell the so-called Palestinian poppy ahead of Remembrance Day.
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  Speaker 1: I talked before the break how symbols of our unity,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: shared loyalty, are under attack. Another example, and a nasty one,
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  Speaker 1: we're coming up to Remembrance Day, which is November 11,
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  Speaker 1: of course, commemorated also in Britain. It's honouring our dead
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: in World War I. But in Britain, a British Pakistani doctor,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Muslim Abdul Qadir Ismail, has in the past posted a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: drawing showing Israel the disease. He's now selling the Palestine poppy,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: a flower icon, clearly stolen from the Remembrance Day tradition,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to raise money for a very controversial pro-Hamas charity in Gaza.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And you can expect to see something similar here. I mean, already...
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Pro-Palestine protesters in Melbourne have stuck poppies outside the State
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  Speaker 1: Library on October 7, and not to mourn the 1,200
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Jews and other Israelis slaughtered on that day by terrorists,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: but the Palestinians then killed in the war in Gaza
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that Hamas actually started. Joining me now from London is
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  Speaker 1: the host of the brand new News 24 digital show
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  Speaker 1: Unleashed with Samara Gill. And it is Samara Gill. Samara,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: congratulations on the new show. You're going to smash it.
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  Speaker 1: I know that. But this Palestine poppy business, a bit sick.
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  Speaker 1: How's it gone down in Britain?
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  Speaker 13: It's gone down terribly. Honestly, when we saw the Spectator
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: investigation into who the hell this guy, Abdul Ismail, who
• 43:31
  Speaker 13: launched this initiative, really is, I mean, I don't think
• 43:34
  Speaker 13: the queers for Palestine would be very happy with the
• 43:37
  Speaker 13: fact that he reportedly describes homosexuality as a test from
• 43:42
  Speaker 13: Allah in his book. And his advice to young people
• 43:46
  Speaker 13: with same-sex attraction is don't.
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  Speaker 4: Act on it.
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  Speaker 13: These are all things that are completely antithetical to the
• 43:52
  Speaker 13: pro-Palestine movement that has manifested in the West. You know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: you get all the blue and pink haired people out
• 43:58
  Speaker 13: on the streets, mostly middle class liberals who actually honestly
• 44:03
  Speaker 13: feel like Turkey's voting for Christmas with their support for
• 44:06
  Speaker 13: and potential support of terrorist organizations like Hamas, or just
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: being pro-Palestine and thinking that that's the right thing to do,
• 44:14
  Speaker 13: and very anti-Jews. So I just can't imagine the reaction
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  Speaker 13: if a Christian conservative wrote this type of material for teenagers.
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: Would those activists that go out on the streets every
• 44:25
  Speaker 13: week be so relaxed about it? And the irony, I
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: don't think, should be lost on the audience here, because
• 44:33
  Speaker 13: The veterans, the veterans who the poppies were originally intended for,
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: they fought against the Nazis. They fought for the Jewish people.
• 44:41
  Speaker 13: And the fact that the poppy has been co-opted by
• 44:45
  Speaker 13: this insane movement is shameful, Andrew. It's absolutely torrid.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I think so, absolutely. But here's a related worry for me, Samara.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: You've got This British government, right, it's got a national
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: security adviser. His name, Jonathan Powell. His wife has now
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: said that she supports Palestine action, which sounds nice, but
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: in fact it's a pro-Palestine activist group banned in Britain,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: called terrorists for violent protests it's done against targets in Britain.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: What does she do and does it matter?
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: It does really matter, Andrew, because, you know, Jonathan Powell
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: was the one advising Keir Starmer, shock horror, for many,
• 45:29
  Speaker 13: many years. He was one of the most influential non-elected
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: people in Britain. You know, he was the national security adviser.
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: This role gave him massive influence on Downing Street and
• 45:40
  Speaker 13: the way we conducted different, you know, missions, et cetera.
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: The issue here is that, yes, Palestine Action is a
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: prescribed terrorist organisation. Because they conducted an attack on an
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: RAF base. So the fact that... And they actually did
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: millions of pounds worth of damage. So the fact that
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: his wife is now getting behind that or at least
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: showing some vague support for the cause, along with all
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: the other pensioners and, you know, people who just do
• 46:09
  Speaker 13: not understand what Palestine action is about, is really concerning
• 46:14
  Speaker 13: and honestly a bit of a national security threat in
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: my mind that we've got someone within our ranks supporting that.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it's just incredible to me. By the way, we're
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: running out of time, but I need to ask about this.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: There's this woman who's just been filmed ziplining in Mexico
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: where I would have thought she shouldn't be. What's the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: story here?
• 46:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah, she shouldn't be there, Andrew, because she's claimed 23,000
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: pounds or around 60,000 Australian dollars in benefits in the
• 46:51
  Speaker 13: past year. And, you know, I would find this funny
• 46:54
  Speaker 13: if I wasn't part of the alarm clock generation that
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: needs to get up and go to work to pay
• 46:58
  Speaker 13: these people to go off on their vacations. I mean,
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: we've literally got an income tax bill that is $ 331
• 47:05
  Speaker 13: billion and a benefits bill that is also $ 331 billion.
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: So the country's divided and it's sort of a Civil
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: War-type atmosphere where you're thinking, wait a second, I'm going
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: to work to pay for you. And it's not pretty.
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: We're turning into a benefits nation with a country attached.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing I couldn't believe was to read that she,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: like hundreds of people, I believe, could get some of
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: her pension in the form of a free lease on
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a car and she leased the BMW on taxpayers' account.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Someone who claims she's suffering a debilitating condition couldn't go
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: outdoors and would have thought the car is the last
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: thing taxpayers should be giving her, but there you go.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: What a very strange situation. Country, I've got to say,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Samara Gill, we'll be hearing about that sort of thing
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: on your new show. Congratulations again. Thank you so much
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: for your time. By the way, some breaking news. That
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Brendan Nugent, the guy, the suspect in the case, the
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: man allegedly who ran down MP Helen Haynes, he's being
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: charged now He's 43 years old, has been charged with
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: dangerous driving, causing serious injury, also charged with intentionally causing
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the offence of causing harm to a Commonwealth public official,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: which comes with 10 years. And police do allege that
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: this incident was a targeted attack. So he's going to
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: be held overnight to appear at Wangaratta Magistrates' Court tomorrow.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: So more then from us at the time. That's it
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: from me. Up next is Shari Markson. Good night.