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- 0:03Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamiot.
- 0:07Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, November twenty just weeks after the government canceled
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- 0:46Speaker 1: the fallout from the CFMEU scandal continues. Those stories alive
- 0:52Speaker 1: right now at the Australian dot com dot au. The
- 1:00Speaker 1: government has sidestepped urging by our orcus allies to give
- 1:03Speaker 1: civilians faster access to nuclear technology, and it's exposed a
- 1:08Speaker 1: deep irony in the Labour Party's position on nuclear in
- 1:12Speaker 1: today's episode, where the Government draws the line and how
- 1:15Speaker 1: it could be a golden opportunity for the opposition. On
- 1:28Speaker 1: Monday Night, at the United Nations Annual Climate Change Assembly,
- 1:32Speaker 1: the United Kingdom's Energy Secretary ed Milliband and the United
- 1:36Speaker 1: States Deputy Secretary of Energy David Turk signed an agreement
- 1:41Speaker 1: to pour billions of dollars into the research and development
- 1:44Speaker 1: of nuclear technology. It's part of a bigger plan to
- 1:48Speaker 1: cut carbon emissions and provide security for the energy industry
- 1:52Speaker 1: as it transitions from fossil fuels to renewable energy solutions.
- 1:57Speaker 1: Thirty one nations have already signed on to help triple
- 2:00Speaker 1: nuclear capacity before the end of the decade and make
- 2:03Speaker 1: new nuclear technology available by twenty fifty, and our UCUST
- 2:08Speaker 1: allies made it abundantly clear they expect Australia to get
- 2:12Speaker 1: on board. But on Tuesday Australia's Climate Change minister said
- 2:17Speaker 1: that's a hard no.
- 2:20Speaker 2: It was not unexpected that Australia would not support this
- 2:23Speaker 2: nuclear proposal. There was one at the last cop meeting
- 2:27Speaker 2: and we didn't support that. We are an observer.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Dennis Shenahan is The Australian's national editor.
- 2:34Speaker 2: But the real problem for the government in this case
- 2:38Speaker 2: was that Ed Miliband, the UK Energy Secretary, said we
- 2:42Speaker 2: were expected to sign it, and he referred to our allies,
- 2:48Speaker 2: in other words, our ORCUS partners with whom we have
- 2:52Speaker 2: a nuclear powered Submarine Agreement wanted US to join the
- 2:57Speaker 2: new Enhanced Development Program for civilian nuclear energy. Now okay,
- 3:05Speaker 2: the government decided not to do that in keeping with
- 3:07Speaker 2: its policy, but it was an ill prepared decision and
- 3:12Speaker 2: what it has done has highlighted the contradictory nature of
- 3:18Speaker 2: actually having a nuclear powered submarine program. And once again
- 3:23Speaker 2: there was a lack of preparedness in something that Chris
- 3:27Speaker 2: Bowen knew was coming. It happened at the last COP,
- 3:31Speaker 2: it was going to happen at this COP, and yet
- 3:33Speaker 2: we were caught flat footed and embarrassed.
- 3:40Speaker 1: Chris Bowen is in Azerbaijan for COP twenty nine and
- 3:44Speaker 1: a statement released by his office said more or less
- 3:47Speaker 1: that Australia doesn't need nuclear power because we have better weather.
- 3:51Speaker 1: It's being read by a voice actor.
- 3:54Speaker 3: Our international partners understand that Australia's abundance of renewable energy
- 3:58Speaker 3: resources makes new nuclear power an unviable option for inclusion
- 4:02Speaker 3: in our energy mix.
- 4:04Speaker 1: For decarbonization efforts, Labour is backing renewables like solar as
- 4:10Speaker 1: the path forward.
- 4:12Speaker 3: Put simply, London has only one thousand, six hundred and
- 4:15Speaker 3: thirty three hours of sunshine hours in an average year.
- 4:19Speaker 3: By comparison, Australia's least sunny capital city is Melbourne with
- 4:23Speaker 3: two thousand, three hundred and sixty two, while our sunniest
- 4:26Speaker 3: capital city is Perth has three thy two hundred and
- 4:29Speaker 3: twenty nine.
- 4:31Speaker 1: The statement dropped in the midst of a ferocious attack
- 4:34Speaker 1: by Labor on the Liberal Party's nuclear policy. Here's the
- 4:38Speaker 1: Acting Prime Minister Richard Miles in Parliament on Tuesday.
- 4:43Speaker 4: For Australia, pursuing a path of nuclear energy would represent
- 4:50Speaker 4: pursuing the single most expensive electricity option on the planet.
- 4:58Speaker 1: Environment Minister tenure pl said nuclear energy takes too long
- 5:02Speaker 1: to develop, meaning millions of tons of carbon will continue
- 5:06Speaker 1: to be pumped into the atmosphere in the meantime.
- 5:09Speaker 2: It makes the government look too ideologically driven and it
- 5:15Speaker 2: doesn't look at the making a serious decision about the
- 5:19Speaker 2: appeal from the US and the UK, oh and about
- 5:23Speaker 2: thirty other nations leading nations gluting Canada and France, and
- 5:29Speaker 2: it just makes it look like we are isolating ourselves
- 5:32Speaker 2: and we're not talking about some of the clearly very
- 5:37Speaker 2: serious issues, and not just the firming of energy, which
- 5:42Speaker 2: is what Ed Milliband was talking about, but also the
- 5:46Speaker 2: cutting of carbon emissions. So the UK and the US,
- 5:50Speaker 2: a labor government and a democratic government, we're asking Australian
- 5:55Speaker 2: labor government to join them in securing energy security and
- 6:01Speaker 2: cutting carbon emissions as part of the decarbonization of industry.
- 6:07Speaker 2: So it seems pretty obvious that at least we should
- 6:10Speaker 2: talk about it, and so I think the way the
- 6:13Speaker 2: government has gone about it, declaring its outlawed and using
- 6:17Speaker 2: an argument that oh the Perth and Melbourne, even Melbourne
- 6:22Speaker 2: is sunnier than London and makes it look a bit puole.
- 6:28Speaker 1: Coming up the British government's nuclear sized gift to Peter Dutton.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Back in June, Opposition leader Peter Dutton announced his party's
- 6:49Speaker 1: plan to establish nuclear reactors at seven locations around Australia
- 6:53Speaker 1: if the coalition gets up at the next election.
- 6:57Speaker 5: We know that the government has a renewables only policy
- 7:01Speaker 5: which is just not fit for purpose.
- 7:04Speaker 1: The announcement was the centerpiece of a radical newsstands on
- 7:07Speaker 1: energy policy that could see the government's legislated twenty thirty
- 7:11Speaker 1: emissions reductions target scrapped.
- 7:14Speaker 5: No other country in the world can keep the lights
- 7:17Speaker 5: on twenty four to seven with the renewables only policy.
- 7:20Speaker 5: We need to make sure that hospitals can stay on
- 7:23Speaker 5: twenty four to seven. We need to make sure that
- 7:25Speaker 5: cold rooms can stay on twenty four seven. We need
- 7:28Speaker 5: to make sure that our economy can function twenty four
- 7:31Speaker 5: to seven, and we can only do that with a
- 7:33Speaker 5: strong base low power.
- 7:36Speaker 1: So when the US and the UK urged Australia to
- 7:39Speaker 1: join that global movement towards nuclear it gave Peter Dunnen
- 7:43Speaker 1: a gift.
- 7:45Speaker 2: What they've done is put out a perfectly logical, perfectly
- 7:51Speaker 2: reasonable approach to expanding civilian nuclear energy around the world,
- 7:59Speaker 2: working to get with a whole range of other nations,
- 8:03Speaker 2: including China, to actually reduce carbon emissions and provide more
- 8:09Speaker 2: secure and cheaper energy to industry. Now this seemed perfectly reasonable,
- 8:16Speaker 2: and yet Australia is now being seen to reject it utterly,
- 8:20Speaker 2: and Peter Dutton immediately picked up on it and said
- 8:24Speaker 2: Australia is now isolating itself and he used the term
- 8:29Speaker 2: we're embarrassing ourselves on the world stage. Now here's Peter Dutton,
- 8:33Speaker 2: leader of the Coalition, saying that the Labor Party is
- 8:37Speaker 2: embarrassing itself on the world stage over what climate change.
- 8:44Speaker 1: But the Coalition has been vague on the details, refusing
- 8:47Speaker 1: to release detailed costings of the nuclear scheme, which would
- 8:51Speaker 1: see a mix of smaller modular nuclear reactors and full
- 8:54Speaker 1: size facilities built on the sites of existing power stations.
- 8:59Speaker 2: So he is fudging on his own costings, the details
- 9:04Speaker 2: of his own policy, and yet today has given him
- 9:09Speaker 2: another excuse to attack Labor over climate change and nuclear energy.
- 9:15Speaker 2: It turned around in twenty four hours. This is not
- 9:18Speaker 2: good politics. It helps Dutton and it helps him slip
- 9:23Speaker 2: out from under once again on not having to provide
- 9:27Speaker 2: the detail of his own policy, which he should be
- 9:30Speaker 2: providing and which people are saying he should provide, but
- 9:33Speaker 2: Labour gives him another excuse to avoid it.
- 9:37Speaker 1: And with the cost of living front of mind for
- 9:39Speaker 1: most voters in the run up to next year's federal election,
- 9:42Speaker 1: the major parties are keen to pitch their solutions.
- 9:47Speaker 2: What Labor is trying to do is reduce the nuclear
- 9:51Speaker 2: argument to one of cost, and what they are saying
- 9:54Speaker 2: is that Peter Dutton's nuclear policy will cost more than
- 9:59Speaker 2: their renewables policy. One of the other reasons, of course,
- 10:03Speaker 2: is they can't use the old argument about nuclear being
- 10:06Speaker 2: dangerous because they're actually buying eight nuclear reactors from the
- 10:11Speaker 2: UK for the submarines. The problem for them in why
- 10:16Speaker 2: they're doing this is that Dutton has pursued the cost
- 10:20Speaker 2: of living and the cost of energy and at the
- 10:23Speaker 2: last election Anthony Albanasi promised on more than ninety occasions
- 10:28Speaker 2: that people's power bills would drop by two hundred and
- 10:31Speaker 2: seventy five dollars and come January one, that's an officially
- 10:36Speaker 2: broken promise. So yes, the cost of living will be
- 10:40Speaker 2: the main element, but energy will be at the heart
- 10:43Speaker 2: of that, not just on the cost, but on what
- 10:46Speaker 2: plans you have to address it. Dutton's argument is if
- 10:50Speaker 2: you don't have nuclear in the mix, you can't have
- 10:53Speaker 2: reliable and you will have more expensive renewable energy because
- 10:58Speaker 2: of transmission costs. So it is a fight over the
- 11:02Speaker 2: cost of living, it's a fight over the cost of energy,
- 11:06Speaker 2: and nuclear is the vehicle with which the two sides
- 11:09Speaker 2: are trying to have it out.
- 11:14Speaker 1: Dennis Shanahan is The Australian's National editor. You can read
- 11:22Speaker 1: his analysis, as well as all the nation's best news,
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