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Navillera | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 15 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is ATC presents there, but he Rambles
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  were a couple of friends review Korean dramas.
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  I'm here today with a special guest.
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  It is Nina from Kpop bookshelf. Hey, what's up, hey Hey, how is
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  it going? It's going well.
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  We were talking before we started recording and I am so
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  excited to have you on. I was telling you that I'm a
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  huge fan of your podcast that I've heard a bunch of episodes
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  and my favorite one actually it's like the most of divisive
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  one I guess. Is the 1982 like the feminist
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  Pros series that you did. It was like a series of like
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  three back-to-back podcast episodes and it was it like made
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  me very upset, right? So that book.
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  Kim ji Young In 1982 was a very controversial book in Korea and
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  I just found it so interesting. Because by American feminists
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  rhetoric standards, I don't think it was all that, all that
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  crazy of a book or like outrageous of a book, but it
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  really hit a nerve in Korea. It hit a nerve and me too
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  especially because your podcast is so well-researched.
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  And so you were bringing in a lot of other stats.
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  And I was like, oh my God, I was getting mad right?
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  Yeah, but I love your podcast and I'm so excited to have you
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  on. I Was actually a little bit
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  afraid because you're so soft-spoken and your podcast and
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  I was like that's not my real life, right?
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  Right, right. We were talking before and I was
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  like, oh my gosh, he's so like animated, it's great.
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  So I was worried that you would be very chill when I got on this
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  call with you but you're not you're amazing.
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  And again, your solo podcasting is very difficult.
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  I admire you so much for doing that.
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  I don't know if I've ever done a solo pod before, but it's hard.
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  It's hard to keep it. It's hard to talk to yourself
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  and Like usually recording late at night which accounts for why
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  I'm a little bit more soft spoken in that podcast because
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  it's always like 2 a.m. and I live in apartment building.
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  So I don't want to disturb everybody else, so, but yeah,
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  yeah, I'm Hispanic. So I feel like I'm always
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  yelling in the mic and then Rico's like, you got to, you got
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  to back away from the mic, like he's giving me all these
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  pointers and I'm like, whatever just like, let's go, I
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  definitely can get very loud as well.
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  Yeah, it is so nice to see you and meet you for the first time
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  in an Effort to just get to know you better.
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  I know that some people may not have listened to your podcast.
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  So what is like your kdrama background before we jump into
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  this review that we're going to do today which is on Navi?
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  Lera not be Larry. Yeah.
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  So my kdrama background actually started with J.
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  Dramas. I used to take Japanese classes
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  language classes at a Japanese school that was after I visited
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  Japan. And I first started watching Jay
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  dramas and I was like these are ridiculous.
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  I love it. It's like so weird because some
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  of the first ones I saw were very bizarre story.
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  And then from, there are my cousins who were very big Kpop
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  bands. They were like, you got to get
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  into Kpop. I was like, no, I wasn't like
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  into it at all yet. And so then Chi from Exo is in a
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  Japanese Drama. Oh, forget it.
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  Yeah. And so I was like, holy via.
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  I saw, I took one look at him and I was like, okay, maybe
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  maybe I'm a mature guy is beautiful.
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  Exactly. And I forgot the name of it now.
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  It's like something about spring.
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  But anyway, so I watched Chi and I kind of had like a very vague
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  awareness of Who he was and then my cousins were like, are you
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  ready now to watch kdramas and get into like Korean stuff?
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  And so, I watched, you know, everyone's gateway drug to
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  kdramas Boys Over Flowers. Yeah.
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  Yeah. And I was like wow this is very
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  interesting to put it one way because that since I think such
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  as I think when you re-watch it or when you think about it
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  you're like what did I want? Just watch like what a fever
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  dream. So yeah it's like really weird
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  but yeah so that's my kdrama history.
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  Of it. Yeah, I think you have here.
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  My Odyssey. My mr.
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  As well. Yeah.
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  So is that like a drama that you really admire?
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  I do. I loved the acting in my ah,
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  just she also knows my mr. And I like kind of now, it's so
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  funny because Boys, Over Flowers and some of the Jade early J.
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  Dramas, I watch you're nothing like these kind of more serious
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  almost like police procedurals or like Mysteries and not that I
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  Majesty is that but imagine she's like a very quiet.
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  Very The Motions are kind of on their face that there's not a
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  lot of a lot of talking because the both main characters are
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  kind of quiet people and I you and his name is Casey with the
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  actor who is from parasite. Yes.
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  I just she and Majesty was so so good.
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  And he's going like everything. So, I love that.
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  Yeah. You.
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  I mean, you would never know this, but we just recorded an
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  episode for my mr. For season 2 and like it hasn't
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  been released yet like we're talking now.
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  The episode. Isn't out yet.
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  So you would never know but like I like cried during that show
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  and I cried on the episode as well.
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  So I'm really hit a nerve for me.
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  And the show that we're going to talk about.
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  Now is also one of those shows that like hit a really it hit me
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  right in the feels and the last episode like completely wrecked
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  me. So we'll get going on it.
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  Thank you so much for talking about your kdrama background
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  feel like everyone is like oh yeah Boys Over Flowers.
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  Oh God, what a drama. Okay.
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  So before we get started, we'll do some housekeeping.
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  that's what ATC stand for. All right?
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  So we're going to get going on our review of Novel era.
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  Would you want to do the honors of reading the Asian Wiki
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  synopsis, I can read. It's kind of long, but if you
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  want to read it, be my guest. Yes.
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  I will read it. Okay, my glasses.
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  Oh, okay. So So the wiki synopsis Asian
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  Wiki stops is shim. Stock tool has had a lifelong
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  dream of Performing ballet due to life situations.
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  He put aside his dream of becoming a ballet dancer and
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  worked a normal job to support his family.
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  He is now 70 years old and retired.
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  Now, shim doc tool makes the decision to pursue his dream,
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  again. He joins a ballet company to
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  learn ballet and there he meets each a dog.
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  Each Hook is a 23 year old man. His mother was a ballet dancer,
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  but she died from a disease when he was young.
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  Eat. Eric learned that he has a
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  talent for ballet. But after pursuing belly, he
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  barely has contact with his father and he is a hard time
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  supporting himself financially at this time.
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  Shin duck Jewel appears in his life.
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  Yes. So thank you so much for reading
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  the synopsis novel era aired originally from March to April
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  20-21. So it's a pretty recent drama.
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  We are in the year 2022 right now for the future purposes
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  because it's hard to tell this show is 12 episodes long, not
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  16. Gene.
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  And it's directed by Honda quoi and he directed Squad 38.
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  Among other things, the show is written by hon and Jim in, which
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  are they are. The writers of the webcomic.
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  This was originally a webtoon and then the screenwriter is he
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  on me? And she wrote tunnel from 2017
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  which is good to know the show Stars.
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  Pocking One as seemed old dog tool and he is a very well-known
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  actor. He's been in the business Ever.
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  He's had. He has nearly 30 credits to his
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  name for just movies, and that includes the odd family zombie
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  on sale from 2019, I recently watched that movie for the first
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  time, it's on Amazon Prime right now, really?
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  Yes. He's, it's a zombie movie, but
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  it's a comedy. So definitely give it a watch.
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  It's funny. And he's also in Miss Granny
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  from 2014. Also, very funny.
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  I think that's on Netflix right now, he for TV.
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  He has nearly 40 credits to His name, including the present is
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  beautiful from this year, this is coming out this year in April
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  and then School 2021. He's also in that show song
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  plays each attic and he is kind of well known now for being an
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  IT guy, I would say and he was first seen in the liar and his
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  lover that was like his breakout role in 2017.
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  And then he went on to do love, alarm seasons one and two on
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  Netflix. I personally Not recommend.
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  Love alarm. Only did I?
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  Yeah I did not like levels are, did you like love wrong?
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  Did you see have it on my list? Oh okay.
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  SLI have gotten to it yet. So okay, just saying he's at
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  that. Yeah no I wouldn't recommend
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  love alarm. He was in Sweet Home which is
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  also a Netflix original in 2020 and that one's like a horror
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  kdrama. Of course he was a nevertheless
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  in 2021 and he's currently in forecasting.
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  Love and weather with Park Min Young and the it's coming out.
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  This year's current Currently airing right now at the time of
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  recording. I think he's the Netflix guy
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  now. Oh yeah.
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  Yeah because he's been in a ton of Netflix shows.
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  They just keep casting him. Don't they call him?
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  Like the prince of Netflix or something?
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  I was everything. Yeah, I saw that, that makes a
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  lot. Like, I don't know who calls him
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  that but somewhat I saw it here and there that they call him,
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  the prince of Netflix, I believe it.
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  And there's like the sun maybe. Oh, where folks is something
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  that's something like that. Yeah, he keeps getting cast an
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  F. Originals and good for him.
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  I mean good for him. Did you like the show after all
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  has all this has been said, the housekeeping's out of the way,
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  we know the cast and everyone behind the scenes.
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  What did you think of never Lera?
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  Checking my reading now? Or should I just oh oh you can
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  give your rating now if you want to out of yet, what would you
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  give a shout out of five Soldier bottles and like, why?
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  Why would you give it? Okay.
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  Okay. So I would give it only A A3
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  which is I think a low-balling a little bit, but that's because I
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  loved like the potential of the show and I don't think it ever
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  quite got to a certain point where I could get where I could
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  give it a file, I could see it being a 5 if that makes any
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  sense. But some of the things I didn't
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  like about it was like so many little individual character pot
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  lines but there was left a lot of like really undeveloped.
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  They didn't really delve into their motivations or like
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  establish. Like how do these people?
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  Why do these people care about each other?
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  Why should I Care about them and when they did manage to say some
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  things about the characters I feel like it was really late in
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  the season, do the show. Yeah so that's why I give it 3
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  Soju bottles but I feel like they have a remake this or
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  something which probably never happen or if there's like
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  another countries like a Japanese or someone remakes that
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  maybe it would be better. Wow.
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  Okay. So I didn't expect you to I mean
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  yeah you kind of said that you were low-balling it but I would
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  probably give it three and a half to four Soju bottles is Or
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  if I'm being generous but I think sitting right now, I'd be
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  a three-and-a-half Soju bottles and basically, I thought that it
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  could have been shorter. I could have been probably Eight
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  Episodes versus 12 episodes. So there was like a lot of fat
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  that could have been trimmed. I kind of agree and kind of
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  disagree with when you say that some characters could have had
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  more development because I feel like towards the end of the show
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  a lot of arc's like were they did were completed High bunch of
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  things. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Which is Nice.
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  But I think honestly, the central relationship between
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  song Kong's character and in one's character is so beautiful
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  that beautiful. It covers a lot of sins.
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  I actually agree with that. Yeah, it was very sentimental
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  and like it, that's why I say like they were so much potential
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  but they end and like you were saying it was a little bit
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  longer for like what it really had to be.
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  And some of the characters there was like too much information.
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  I was like I don't care about these.
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  Why are we dwelling on? This.
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  And then there was other characters and relationships.
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  I was like, where is more of this?
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  Like where are they coming from? So right.
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  It was a little bit of a double-edged thing.
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  Yeah, I would say that the cinematography was absolutely
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  stunning. That's a major Plus for the
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  show, I would say that they're the dialogue and the amount of
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  quotable lines in this was like a lot.
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  Like you're just overwhelmed by the amount of nuggets out there.
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  Throwing at you left. And right.
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  Yes. Honestly, it's or we need to
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  support her. Guy that yeah, well, we can talk
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  about that too in the spoilers section, but I ended up falling
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  mildly in love with the family and I thought that I would be
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  very in love with the family. Like there's other kdrama
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  families that you're like, I love this family, I love this
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  crew, they're so mesmerizing to watch on screen and I feel like
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  I'm a part of their family watching them for 16 hours or
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  what-have-you. Makes me feel like I'm in this
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  drama with them. I'm feeling their emotions.
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  Ins and to a certain extent I was but I was more on the side
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  of the actual heart emoji, then I was like anybody else on the
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  show so when they were all together it wasn't very it was
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  organic but not necessarily what's the word.
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  I didn't want to, like returned to them.
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  Okay, well, I mean, that's what you mean, like, the one to one
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  relationships with horrible G and like his granddaughter had a
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  budgie and certain other. Yeah.
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  Adult children like those are interesting but when the house
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  was completely full, even though I do feel like I had they had
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  chemistry is like a store. They had chemistry as a family
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  on TV family. It wasn't as heartwarming as
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  just like the wonder why I was ever like even with the mom and
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  their her kids are like two tokens heart emoji.
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  Yeah. Yeah I found that poor.
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  Is of the show hit too close to home for me and they felt like I
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  was watching. The saddest thing I've ever
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  watched, yes, I don't want to give anything away in spoilers,
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  but I've had certain family members go through the same
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  thing that this main character is gone through and as a
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  caregiver in a lot of instances, I feel like this family was
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  going through the stages of grief.
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  Yes. And they were going on a really
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  strong heavy. Be emotional Journey that wasn't
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  quite portrayed as well as it probably could have been.
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  There were certain scenes where I was like, this is very
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  accurate. I was like bawling but then
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  other scenes I was like we could extend this like I don't know.
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  It just seemed like it was too much and not enough.
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  At the same time, I definitely can see that because I feel like
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  they were kind of going with the with this assumption that a lot
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  of the audience would kind of figure out the you know.
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  Oh yeah the situation trying to Yeah.
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  You know and and I don't know that everybody does necessarily
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  really understand like what exactly exactly that's exactly
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  what I'm trying to say is that there's a lot of implications
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  and underlying things like consequences I would say is a
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  good word for what hot emojis doing and like what what his
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  diagnosis means right. And I'm not sure that they
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  really kind of cover the gravity of like what is happening and
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  Like the family how they're processing it like they're
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  throwing ideas out like how do we deal with this and I'm like
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  you don't get it. I will say this is going to
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  sound harsh or something, but I feel like they spent too much
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  time on ballet. Okay, no, because I felt like
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  they were gonna get so defensive, don't know.
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  Getting the one seen her. Like, I felt like I was just one
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  scene that they filmed ones and they kept showing it over and
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  over again, which is Loom the body, double in the, in the
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  practice room, like, doing like pirouettes, sir.
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  I don't know the ballet terms, but right, he's doing all this
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  stuff. Which looked cool.
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  The first like few times within the cap.
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  I swear it seem like they're either just doing the exact same
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  camera and yeah, playing the same footage.
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  I agree with you, we caught that down a little bit.
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  We could have dealt more and just like what you were talking
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  about with the diagnosis or the families like struggle about
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  like how do we deal with this? How do we handle this?
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  I agree. Completely knowing that.
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  Yeah, they kept reusing it felt like they were reusing footage
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  in. You're right.
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  The ballet sequences of first, I was like, oh, they're doing this
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  really well and I was like, they're not doing this well at
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  all because the cut that was so abrupt.
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  Right? Like there was either they were
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  shown Um, the waist up or they were shown way far away like in
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  Shadow and you can tell that that's obviously not them.
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  Yeah, it's not out of a g and it's not song kong doing the
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  ballet. So it's annoying.
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  It's annoying because it's, it was distracting.
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  It was like, yeah, I was like, I want to see their faces now.
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  These talented, lovely dancers. Yes, especially especially in
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  the finale. I was like, okay, maybe this is
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  their time to really showcase They can do what these actors
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  have learned over the course of 12 episodes.
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  I know that they've probably been training behind the scenes
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  and actually song spent five to six months, training ballet
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  before they started filming. So I'm like, okay, they're going
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  to Showcase these people and we're gets going to be evident
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  that, it's the actors doing this belly.
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  Not the case. By the way, I have a fun fact
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  about song Kong from mnozil researching for this episode.
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  Yeah. Yeah his father is a door was a
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  gymnast o fact for you all. I wish I had those yeah relevant
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  because he mentioned in some interviews just like how he was
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  worried about trying to do ballet and whether he'd be good
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  at everything he would look good or like just looked look really
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  bad or like it'd just be a complete fail and then he talked
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  it was revealed, I guess that his father was a gymnast in the
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  past and I don't know, like, what level of gymnic gymnastics
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  they were, you know, he was doing but song kong was able to
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  kind of talk about it with his dad.
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  Like, you know, right. That's good.
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  Yeah, no, I didn't know that and there's a certain level of
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  athleticism that comes with just watching song, do ballet, or
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  attempt to do ballet because I couldn't see if he was really
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  doing ballet, most of the time, but I think that he pulled it
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  off pretty well and I just wish that they had given them, the
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  given them performance, the time that it should have been given
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  or the way That it should have been filmed.
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  Should have been different. What's an example of like Oh
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  Black Swan is a great movie, that has body doubles but you
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  know, they use CGI and all this stuff to put Natalie Portman's
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  face onto the ballerinas face. And of course, Natalie Portman
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  like songs, spend months learning ballet and getting the
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  forms, right? So that it could be as seamless
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  as possible. That's a movie that I feel could
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  have been an inspiration for the way that this was shot.
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  That not Alaric could have been shot.
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  I'm going to age myself and Shout out another ballet movie,
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  which is Center Stage, which came out like in maybe 2002 or
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  something, but they and it it featured actual ballerinas and
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  Mallory nose. So it's little bit different in
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  terms of how to film it. But how to film The Dancing?
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  I agree because like, there's a way I felt watching Center Stage
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  that it was so exciting. It was so like you got like, how
• 19:54
  Cutthroat is the ballet like fields or like how like intense
• 19:58
  everything as Nothing is just like whatever, it's like life or
• 20:01
  death, for all the dancers, and for some Kong's character to
• 20:05
  talk. You do feel like it's life or
• 20:06
  death for him, but he is like these other survival struggles.
• 20:08
  Anyway, but in Center Stage, it was just like, wow, this is this
• 20:12
  is like good dance versus, this is bad dance.
• 20:14
  And this is like amazingly hard versus you ever watch like
• 20:17
  Project Runway and used like starch or something like that
• 20:19
  and you're like oh that Stitch is wrong or like oh right.
• 20:22
  Right. This is like suddenly like an
• 20:24
  expert in fashion or whatever or like enough clothing
• 20:28
  manufacturing. So Got that sense from like
• 20:30
  Center Stage which was kind of a corny movie, but like, I loved
• 20:33
  it when I was younger and I was hoping I'd be there.
• 20:36
  I would kind of inspire these feelings of me about dance.
• 20:39
  I also only be really passionate dance, I want to take ballet
• 20:42
  lessons and I didn't feel like that partially because it's
• 20:44
  like, recycled footage or whatever was going on.
• 20:47
  I don't know what that one. Yeah.
• 20:48
  But Tara, I song Gangnam, I'm like, honey bees character James
• 20:51
  Hong Kong. Did do I thought a good job of
• 20:53
  like, at least giving off ballarino Vibes, right?
• 20:56
  However, much dancing, he actually did pain on the
• 20:59
  footage. So yeah, I don't think that
• 21:01
  maybe the filmmakers, or sorry, those showrunners weren't as
• 21:06
  comfortable with showing the actors from the waist down.
• 21:09
  And maybe I'm not going to throw this out there.
• 21:11
  Is it because they were in Tights?
• 21:14
  No, I actually think, Balor from what I know.
• 21:16
  And again, a lot of ideas from Center Signature than box, one
• 21:20
  is that the footwork and stuff is, has to be so precise.
• 21:23
  Yes. From like a ballet, like to be
• 21:25
  his level of a ballarino. He would have to be nailing the
• 21:29
  footwork and I don't know who they hired to have a bunch of
• 21:32
  time to be on a drama as like a body double and do these kinds
• 21:35
  of scenes. But I mean, it probably wasn't
• 21:37
  like the principal ballarino of whatever Korean, you know, dance
• 21:40
  company. So that's my thing.
• 21:43
  They just were trying to downplay any kind of technical
• 21:45
  critique, they might have gotten from the dance Community.
• 21:48
  If that's a thing, I kind of agree, it might be.
• 21:50
  So I think that's why the kind of I was thinking more like, oh,
• 21:53
  it's a protector like dignity, because they'd be in Tights,
• 21:57
  but, yeah, I agree. We that they're not good enough,
• 22:02
  get a double but at the same time it was it was like
• 22:04
  Flashdance level. Like it's like okay, that's a
• 22:08
  man dressed as a woman and I'm like well that's doing slashing.
• 22:12
  Watching the seen so many times are scenes of them practicing in
• 22:15
  the practice room. So felt monotonous repetitive
• 22:19
  recycled. Yes boring and maybe dance with
• 22:22
  boring like why? So right I agree.
• 22:25
  That's a major complaint of mine.
• 22:27
  Did you have any other major complaints that you?
• 22:29
  Need to talk about generally before we get into spoilers.
• 22:32
  Um, well without giving spoilers, I did think the
• 22:35
  characters were so this is just me maybe but the catcher so
• 22:38
  confusing. Like I didn't understand why the
• 22:41
  Magna a doctor was not. They his youngest son was like
• 22:45
  this depressed, former doctor like what was his whole deal and
• 22:48
  then I and I we finally got some of that way way later like, what
• 22:52
  it was, what his deal was. Yeah.
• 22:53
  Or like, you know, I felt like the daughter's husband was seen
• 22:57
  as like a kind of a loser because he didn't go to college.
• 22:59
  College and I was like, why are we care about this again?
• 23:01
  Like I know why? But like, why why does this
• 23:03
  family care that much about this or the bully?
• 23:06
  There's like a bully, not just boiler anything but the bullies
• 23:10
  whole dilemma with. Oh yeah, that was bullshit.
• 23:13
  That was bullshit. Like what is this?
• 23:15
  Yeah happening like anyway so that's my biggest complaint was
• 23:19
  like everything took too long to develop and then some of these
• 23:21
  didn't get like as developed as I would have liked to have seen
• 23:23
  it so yeah, true true. Okay.
• 23:25
  I agree with you completely. And at this point, I think we're
• 23:28
  just gonna get Into spoilers. So if you don't care to be
• 23:33
  spoiled, keep listening. But if you haven't watched now
• 23:35
  Valera, I would suggest you go watch it and then come back and
• 23:38
  listen to her spoiler talk. So we're gonna get started on
• 23:41
  spoilers right after this, you want to come in.
• 23:51
  Okay, so we're on the other side of spoilers for Navi Lera.
• 23:54
  And we're going to talk through all of the things that probably
• 23:58
  we didn't like, Like so you mentioned the the Magna a
• 24:02
  character who is the youngest son of our heart emoji?
• 24:06
  And he was like a surgeon and gave up his whole career for
• 24:11
  what? Like I got it kind of at the
• 24:14
  beginning when he was like kept wearing the, the clogs, the
• 24:20
  Crocs, that's what they are. He kept wearing Crocs, and it
• 24:22
  was like the middle of winter and he's wearing Crocs and it
• 24:26
  was to remind him of the blood that fell.
• 24:29
  On the Crocs. During one of his last
• 24:31
  surgeries, he lost a patient and he was saying, oh, I already
• 24:37
  like said his time of death, but his blood was still falling on
• 24:42
  my shoes and I it was warm his blood was still warm.
• 24:46
  Yeah, it sounded like he had a botched surgery and that's why
• 24:49
  it correct me if I'm wrong. And that's why he quit the field
• 24:52
  of medicine entirely which like bro you're going to be a doctor
• 24:55
  like that's going to happen. I wish they said, I know I know
• 24:58
  first of all I know Oh, you should be Jaded by now because
• 25:01
  your you cannot save 100% of your patients.
• 25:04
  Unfortunately, unfortunately. And that's very, very sad
• 25:07
  reality. And I guess he kind of hit up
• 25:10
  against this wall in his mind and heart where he was feeling
• 25:15
  hopeless. And I think they should have
• 25:17
  said that a little bit better in the dialogue.
• 25:21
  Maybe they, he had a personal like not an actual personal
• 25:23
  connection to this. The patient he has to wait,
• 25:26
  mate, but maybe he saw something in him.
• 25:27
  Like oh my gosh, this guys, my age are.
• 25:29
  Oh my Just persons a brother and a father or whatever.
• 25:32
  This person is living so amazing life.
• 25:34
  Or they did gave us nothing about why he cares so much about
• 25:36
  this patient. And I was I thought that was
• 25:39
  like why is he this depressed? It just didn't make sense.
• 25:41
  It didn't make sense that he wanted to do a whole documentary
• 25:44
  on the patient and the patient's that he lost which seemed like a
• 25:48
  terrible thing to do. Like I'm like are you thinking
• 25:52
  this through? You don't think that.
• 25:53
  That's there's going to be a bit of a backlash from the family or
• 25:56
  the friends from these deceased patients.
• 25:59
  Like he didn't, like think if they're, he thought he was gonna
• 26:01
  doing a good thing, or maybe just, it was so selfish almost
• 26:05
  for him to, like, go poking at this.
• 26:07
  Well, because he obviously had unanswered questions, but we
• 26:10
  don't know what they were. We had no reason to like yeah,
• 26:12
  or like, why? Why are you making a
• 26:14
  documentary? Just seems so random and I
• 26:16
  thought. Okay, go, go over it in going
• 26:18
  National say even wearing the Crocs.
• 26:20
  Okay. Yes, yes.
• 26:21
  The blood was a warm but like it takes, I don't know.
• 26:23
  The whole thing is like if you work for any amount of time and
• 26:26
  around a hospital it's like not that deep not to be.
• 26:29
  About it, but just like blood gets cold.
• 26:31
  After someone dies, you have to go around wearing those Crocs
• 26:35
  forever. I don't know.
• 26:35
  Like, they try to make it more sentimental than it was.
• 26:38
  And I think if you're, if you've ever seen someone who's gone
• 26:41
  through medical school and training or if you've been
• 26:43
  someone who's gone through out of school training, like this is
• 26:45
  not your first death. It's not probably not your first
• 26:47
  death at your hate video by your hand almost, you wouldn't get
• 26:50
  this worked up unless you're like, oh my gosh, this was my
• 26:53
  brother, right? Oh my gosh, this is my best
• 26:55
  friend. Yeah, there has to be a certain
• 26:57
  level of professionalism and even though Or in a
• 26:59
  life-or-death situation and people are depending on you, you
• 27:03
  this is your job. You do this day in and day out
• 27:06
  and sure it gets to you. But like do you quit your entire
• 27:09
  career over it? It didn't seem like there was
• 27:12
  enough for him to dislike the job.
• 27:15
  Like maybe he didn't. I'm I'm in my mind.
• 27:18
  This was I was bored. I was thinking was that he was a
• 27:20
  closeted creative and that he wanted to be in a more creative
• 27:26
  job and so he chose documentary I was I was He's a filmmaker
• 27:30
  like he wants to be in that field versus in the medical
• 27:34
  field. So it was never a good fit for
• 27:35
  him. Not the case at all.
• 27:37
  Like I made up this whole story in my head.
• 27:39
  No he was not say cuz that was kind of where or what?
• 27:43
  I thought were the I thought I was going to wear like his you
• 27:45
  kind of became a doctor to satisfy his parents and deal,
• 27:48
  but then he kept going to visit his former doctor colleagues and
• 27:52
  friends and he was like honestly at the hospital.
• 27:53
  Yes. Ali.
• 27:55
  And he was never actually making almost never actually making a
• 27:57
  documentary except for like a couple steps.
• 27:59
  You made her like Scout a location and he, you know, had
• 28:01
  some cameras or whatever, then he finally started doing other
• 28:03
  documentary. So I was like, I do not get this
• 28:06
  and not to, you know, she many ones, whatever mixed feelings
• 28:09
  depression, trauma, whatever you going on, but I wish they would
• 28:12
  have shared it with us. Have been like when he, you
• 28:14
  know, when he was younger, he wished he did this and he felt
• 28:16
  if like a failure. What was it?
• 28:18
  That was so bad. Right?
• 28:19
  Was he feel like he failed to feel like he left something
• 28:21
  down, himself down, it just made no sense.
• 28:24
  Real sense. Ultimately, yes, were we agree
• 28:27
  on that? We can talk About the son-in-law
• 28:31
  character, who was, like trying to be a politician, who's like a
• 28:33
  wannabe politician, trying to go for like local government?
• 28:37
  And to me, that was kind of a poop storyline because it was
• 28:42
  very, it was very unsatisfactory.
• 28:45
  The guy didn't win his election, he you seem to be a burden on
• 28:49
  his wife, who was very frustrated with him.
• 28:52
  Kept saying like, oh I don't know about this and kept like
• 28:55
  just looking down upon him and not necessarily because he
• 28:58
  didn't have a college education. Asian but because he didn't have
• 29:00
  any, he didn't have any realistic goals and he didn't
• 29:05
  have a wishy-washy was wishy-washy and just needed a
• 29:09
  lot of confidence boosting and then he wasn't good at anything
• 29:14
  he did. So like at that point like you
• 29:16
  should probably switch to something else.
• 29:17
  It seemed like they were in debt all the time.
• 29:20
  The mom, the mom character hajis wife kept giving her money like
• 29:25
  they were struggling. Yeah.
• 29:28
  And also it was interesting because the I felt like towards
• 29:31
  the end finally if the husband redeem that sounds horrible,
• 29:34
  redeemed himself because he went hard but she's facing his
• 29:38
  diagnosis. Everything he was the one who's
• 29:40
  like we can take care of him. We can manage this.
• 29:42
  If you're my family, I'm your son too.
• 29:43
  Yeah and it's sort of like painted the thinks.
• 29:45
  I felt like in the beginning they were pinning had a bunny
• 29:48
  the grandma to be like someone who was so hung up on maybe
• 29:51
  status or like just never wanted to be like struggling with money
• 29:54
  again. Yeah.
• 29:54
  Want our kids to be super settled successful etcetera.
• 29:57
  And he wasn't like helping her daughter to achieve that.
• 30:00
  But then he was like, look, I'm family like we're a family and
• 30:03
  so it's not always about, I think it's like a reminder of
• 30:05
  like it's always about status or position in Life or, you know,
• 30:08
  whether or not you're you can make decisions.
• 30:11
  It's also just about being reliable family member.
• 30:14
  Yeah, I agree with that. That was something that I wish I
• 30:17
  would have touched on more, is that there was a weird dichotomy
• 30:20
  between the spouses that married into the family and then the
• 30:24
  Sons and Daughters of how to Boogie.
• 30:27
  And that they seem to be like second class has since within
• 30:30
  the family, like they didn't have any say they were voicing
• 30:33
  their opinions and like the other siblings are like you
• 30:35
  can't say anything, you're not even, you're not even part of
• 30:37
  the family which out of line. They should have been slapped
• 30:41
  years ago. Like the, you can tell these are
• 30:42
  like old married couples have been married for like over a
• 30:45
  decade and still like the oil. They both were like, yeah, I'll
• 30:49
  take him in. Well, do whatever.
• 30:50
  Like will drop everything and I was like, why are you again?
• 30:53
  The like lack of like explaining motivations or people's like,
• 30:57
  Whatever like yeah, why are you doing this?
• 31:00
  They didn't. It's not like we saw, how do I
• 31:01
  would be super close to either of those children in law because
• 31:04
  it just wasn't within the scope of this drama?
• 31:07
  Yeah, probably was something, but we didn't see it.
• 31:09
  I think that they showcased the spouses being taken care of by
• 31:15
  the hot Emoji, especially with the wife of the oldest son, who
• 31:21
  supported how to achieve when he came out and said he wanted to
• 31:24
  do badly, she was unconditionally support.
• 31:27
  Of him. And they did a flashback of her
• 31:30
  as a new mom. And she was struggling, she was
• 31:33
  struggling to find her identity as a new mom, she struggled
• 31:37
  because she wanted to go back to working full-time and her
• 31:40
  husband was like relegating her to the house, and being a
• 31:43
  full-time mom. And so she was like, he
• 31:47
  supported me during that. I know that you came to the
• 31:49
  house and were taking care of your granddaughter.
• 31:53
  While I was struggling at talking through my issues with
• 31:56
  my mom. On the phone and it seemed like
• 32:00
  that was so profound to her. And it left such a mark on her
• 32:03
  that she was like, I'll your, you're mine, I'm yours and I'm
• 32:07
  gonna support you. I didn't feel like there was
• 32:10
  that closeness with the husband, the politician husband, right?
• 32:15
  It's social cause he got dragged on so much by G but like
• 32:18
  everybody else. Yeah.
• 32:20
  But his wife which was stirred daughter had this profound
• 32:24
  amazing, emotional moment in the final episode.
• 32:27
  Or she cries, and begs her. Dad, not to go into the nursing
• 32:32
  home, and let them take care of him.
• 32:34
  Let her take care of him. She was going through this whole
• 32:37
  infertility crisis throughout her married life and they never
• 32:42
  were able to have children. It's a huge emotion emotional
• 32:46
  Journey that kind of came to an end during the show where she
• 32:48
  said I'm giving up like a can't, I can't kiss.
• 32:51
  Wondered like she was giving up. Anyways, on trying to pursue
• 32:54
  this building a family, at least your biological Yeah, and when
• 32:58
  she found out about hot emojis diagnosis, I almost feel like
• 33:01
  maybe they're trying to tell us and it could just be me like,
• 33:03
  making this up, but maybe they're trying to us that she
• 33:05
  found a purpose, like the purpose or whatever role.
• 33:08
  Like, having a child would have filled in her life, or whatever.
• 33:10
  Fulfillment, that would have give brought her now.
• 33:12
  She was kind of channeling that into taking care of her father.
• 33:14
  Exactly. Yeah, she basically said instead
• 33:17
  of paying it forward with her own children, she'd pay him back
• 33:22
  for all the kindness and care that he showed her growing up
• 33:24
  and she cited. This one thing of he always
• 33:27
  Picked her up from school. Whenever it rained we just like
• 33:31
  I was crying. I was crying.
• 33:32
  I was emotional. It was a I personally my
• 33:37
  grandfather passed away many years ago, but he also had
• 33:41
  Alzheimer's and he died basically bedridden and of
• 33:44
  Alzheimer's, like his body, just shut down and the fact that she
• 33:49
  cited that he came to get her from school and it was a rate
• 33:53
  whenever it rained, he was, is such a subtle thing.
• 33:56
  But my grandfather used to pick me up from school every day.
• 34:00
  Yeah so it was like oh just like gut-wrenching, it hit me right
• 34:05
  in the feels because it was so close to home.
• 34:08
  You know, when she was like, please don't do this.
• 34:10
  And at this point, I mean, I guess you can kind of, if you
• 34:15
  are sticking around and you haven't watched novel, are you
• 34:18
  can kind of guess that like the heart emoji has Alzheimer's.
• 34:23
  He's in the early speech in the early stages of Alzheimer's.
• 34:26
  Which you I knew immediately like when He got lost the first
• 34:31
  time. We got lost in the museum.
• 34:34
  I was like, so some kind of cognitive decline.
• 34:36
  Yes, I was like oh no he's got Alzheimer's or he's got
• 34:39
  dementia. Yeah.
• 34:41
  The earlier on I kind of was guessing like it was like a
• 34:43
  terminal illness. Like yes, sir.
• 34:45
  Yes. And then when he like you said,
• 34:47
  when you start getting lost or having these like confusion
• 34:48
  moment, you're like, oh, it's something like dementia.
• 34:51
  I'm gonna take a little minute to talk to you about Alzheimer's
• 34:54
  and cry because I looked up at, yes, absolutely tell her.
• 34:56
  Yeah, so Korea is as you already probably No population where a
• 35:01
  lot of the people are aging just like Japan for example, and it's
• 35:05
  the fastest aging country among the organization for economic
• 35:08
  cooperation and development also known as oecd countries.
• 35:12
  This is something I'm quoting, by the way, from a medical
• 35:15
  journal called the annals of geriatric, medicine and
• 35:17
  research. So projects with projection,
• 35:19
  showing it possibly becoming the country with the highest number
• 35:22
  of older people in 2075. So, it's a very big concern in
• 35:25
  Korea just like, how to do elder care.
• 35:28
  It's also a country, where not a lot of Of children are being
• 35:30
  born or so, there's this, this fear of like, in the future
• 35:33
  Society, won't be able to sustain or support their elderly
• 35:36
  population. And in fact, an article that I
• 35:39
  read that interviewed Park in Han the gentleman who played
• 35:43
  Hadji he himself said, one out of four people in Korea are
• 35:47
  seniors. That's how many seniors there
• 35:49
  are now, dramas, films and plays are all works, that reflect on
• 35:52
  contemporary Society. I hope that subjects become more
• 35:55
  Diversified such as care facilities or nursing homes.
• 35:58
  So, I think he means like film the subject On such a place,
• 36:01
  maybe they'll take place in, you know, they can't be, uh,
• 36:03
  neglected population. So and all timers in general is
• 36:07
  just such a devastating diagnosis to get.
• 36:09
  And I'm also going to just randomly say this here, that I
• 36:12
  thought it was interesting that as soon as chaddock realized
• 36:16
  that Hadji had Alzheimer's, he was so devastated and I was
• 36:20
  like, I wonder if it's super realistic to think not to rain
• 36:24
  on this parade that it's 20, however, your old would like
• 36:27
  realize the gravity of this Hmm. I wow.
• 36:31
  That's a, that's a good point is that I don't think I this is
• 36:36
  hard because I my grandfather got Alzheimer's and I think I
• 36:39
  was in my late teens and I didn't think, I mean, I was
• 36:43
  like, oh yeah, he's going to forget stuff but like, as soon
• 36:46
  as I had to start coming over and changing his diaper, like,
• 36:49
  if things could totally change. I was like, oh no, this is like
• 36:53
  a real. Debilitating disease, like, in
• 36:58
  his case, he really, I mean, it was a decline but it wasn't as
• 37:01
  rapid as other family members who also have been diagnosed
• 37:08
  with Alzheimer's. So, I for a 23 year, olds
• 37:13
  understand the gravity of the situation and think that it's a
• 37:16
  terminal illness because it it is a term to me, it is a
• 37:19
  terminal illness. Like your might not have died
• 37:22
  from Alzheimer's, but you're going to forget how to hold a
• 37:23
  spoon. You're going to forget your
• 37:25
  family members. You there was a sense of loss
• 37:28
  before the death actually occurs arising cause of death in Korea,
• 37:32
  when it's getting into the top 10 causes of death.
• 37:35
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:37
  I a lot of people just don't understand like I've talked to
• 37:41
  friends and other family members who never had to go through it
• 37:44
  directly and like they don't understand it's like oh they
• 37:48
  forget stuff for they repeat themselves, like, you know, just
• 37:51
  play along with whatever they're saying is like no, you don't
• 37:53
  understand so much more devastating.
• 37:56
  Yes, it's not just that and I and chaddock it was obvious
• 37:59
  didn't have like a ton of family members so did he have personal
• 38:02
  experience? You know someone again it's like
• 38:04
  another thing of this drama not giving us a ton of information
• 38:07
  like back early and work with that but he That this was like
• 38:11
  such bad news for hydrology and he felt so bad for her money and
• 38:14
  her head was his grand daughter. Who was kind of friends would
• 38:17
  like it was just he realized the gravity but is that like
• 38:20
  realistic? I don't know.
• 38:21
  I agree, I agree that didn't seem realistic to me.
• 38:26
  I mean, it seem realistic to me as an audience member because
• 38:30
  I'm like, oh God. Yeah.
• 38:31
  Like that's say goodbye because it's really, it'll take, I don't
• 38:38
  know, say it's going to take its time, but the progression is Is
• 38:40
  difficult to Grapple with as a caregiver.
• 38:44
  Think it's so unpredictable. So, like exactly.
• 38:46
  And he seemed very kind of shook about it.
• 38:48
  Like, oh my gosh, how did what she has Alzheimer's?
• 38:51
  He was like struggling, like how do I break this news to anyone
• 38:53
  else in the family? Or should I break it this news
• 38:55
  or like it's his news to give he was going through the struggle?
• 38:58
  Which I thought was really well portrayed and Sung.
• 39:00
  Kang did a great job acting all that out that dilemma and his
• 39:03
  worry and his concern and fear. But I but you know for example
• 39:07
  you had this personal experience of knowing someone with
• 39:10
  Alzheimer's Someone who's very close to you, and you saw
• 39:12
  firsthand like what they go through on a day-to-day basis.
• 39:14
  As they continued progress, I don't have chaddock had that
• 39:17
  experience or how he exactly knew.
• 39:19
  I was just wondering. I was really curious, like, how
• 39:21
  does he know it was not like I'm like, oh, he doesn't know.
• 39:23
  That's ridiculous. But I was just more like, how
• 39:25
  does he know? Like that's really amazing that
• 39:27
  he knows that I was curious. He's so attuned to it.
• 39:30
  It was, It was kind of bizarre. I almost stopped for a second.
• 39:33
  His mom had her something because rules mom died.
• 39:35
  Yeah. They never said, they know how
• 39:38
  she died either. So And I was like going crazy,
• 39:44
  he kept visiting her and talking to her while in the columbarium,
• 39:48
  and I'm like, but how did she die?
• 39:50
  Like, why did she die? So something the relationship
• 39:53
  like? Yeah, that's really should like
• 39:55
  with his dad. Who, you know, obviously went to
• 39:57
  jail, was she alive? During I think she was.
• 39:59
  But anyway, I was like, I needed so much more about his mom and
• 40:02
  that like his wife before his dad, went to jail.
• 40:04
  Yes. And I wanted so much more from
• 40:06
  the dad character as well who they seem to want.
• 40:10
  A have they did like a half-baked reconciliation with a
• 40:14
  dad and I actually have big is half big because there was a
• 40:18
  couple of conversations a couple of couple of words had and then
• 40:23
  like what will be just forgive all the years of abuse.
• 40:25
  Like we're like there's something in the dad abuse
• 40:30
  Channel because well or debuts only as part of the soccer team
• 40:33
  by ioc beating kids in the soccer team, like Iowa.
• 40:35
  So I'm lost. Yes, it was a bizarre things
• 40:38
  happen. Why did he go to prison for
• 40:40
  beating? Ting children.
• 40:41
  The White Sox. Yeah.
• 40:43
  Not uncommon in Korean - to be children but you know from like
• 40:48
  it's teachers or like I mean I think it's less common now but I
• 40:51
  know like there's other dramas where they show teachers
• 40:53
  practicing corporal punishment. Yeah.
• 40:56
  So I was like, is this a crime like genuinely?
• 40:58
  I was like, it's a crime. Why was it a crime?
• 41:00
  Why was this incident? A crime and other incidents.
• 41:03
  Did he like, he didn't like murder anyone not to sound
• 41:05
  flippant about it but then the bully having this like a whole
• 41:09
  giant dead. Hope they'll yeah, total been
• 41:11
  done against the family like, of course, that makes sense,
• 41:13
  because but then it was like the.
• 41:15
  Why? Because he's like, my career is
• 41:17
  over and then the grandpa was like, no, it's not over and I
• 41:19
  was like, what is going on right now?
• 41:22
  Okay, what anyone's doing this drama, the bully.
• 41:26
  I couldn't get a read on him for a lot of times.
• 41:29
  It was. So one note and you're just
• 41:31
  like, oh, he's such a good boy when he was like a little soccer
• 41:33
  player. Yeah, fully with bleached hair
• 41:35
  and then like just indiscriminately beating up
• 41:37
  people. It seems like and then I don't
• 41:39
  know, it was It's weird. I didn't like that.
• 41:41
  No, no. Okay, I can go.
• 41:45
  Go ahead. What are you gonna say, okay?
• 41:46
  This is about the best friend, tear ducts best friend.
• 41:49
  Who's the goalkeeper in the soccer team and new the bully.
• 41:52
  And but yeah, it wasn't really afraid of the bully because he's
• 41:55
  like, this is not my deal. This is between like, chugs down
• 41:58
  and the bully. I was like what are these
• 42:00
  relationships because he seemed close to both of them.
• 42:02
  Sort of, unlike many not friends with the bully, but he seemed
• 42:04
  like they like how this history. They were team and who each
• 42:07
  other. There may be friends.
• 42:09
  And then when the dad goes to But that surely was not the
• 42:11
  first time he like whooped all these soccer players.
• 42:14
  So like I don't really I don't. Yeah, there's so many questions.
• 42:17
  Unanswered questions are piling up here.
• 42:21
  Here's a question. We can probably answer, though.
• 42:23
  Do you think song that's a good actor?
• 42:26
  So at first I was like, this guy is not good, okay.
• 42:29
  I've never seen a local farm and I haven't watched over the last.
• 42:32
  I haven't watched a lot of, but I know he's very popular so kind
• 42:35
  of had high expectations in my mind for a minute versus like,
• 42:37
  this is not good at acting but then I realized actually it was
• 42:40
  pretty good. Acting because the parts where
• 42:42
  so chair rock just to like backtrack a little.
• 42:44
  Chadwick was essentially abandoned in a way like his
• 42:46
  mother died. She did intentionally abandon
• 42:48
  him but she's gone and then his dad is like, in jail.
• 42:50
  Also not intentional, but he's gone.
• 42:52
  And he's like, just so alone and he's the struggles were, he's
• 42:55
  like alone in his apartment and it's just like, hitting him in
• 42:58
  like, emotional waves, that I'm alone, and no one's there for
• 43:01
  me. And I have to survive, somehow,
• 43:04
  I had to like, my dad is even care.
• 43:06
  Is that how he feels right? He just like pieces out after
• 43:08
  his release from prison. And I think I thought those
• 43:12
  Quiet Moments where he's just like, I'm going through really
• 43:15
  Deep Emotions were so amazing. She doesn't say anything, right?
• 43:19
  It's like not. There's no dialogue, right?
• 43:21
  Okay, just feeling the feels, so here's the keys.
• 43:24
  You think he is a good? Okay, here's my take.
• 43:28
  This is a hot take, all right, I don't think some kind is a good
• 43:31
  actor. Okay.
• 43:33
  I mean I didn't either at first, so I have watched him in the
• 43:36
  lion. His lover.
• 43:37
  I've watched him in season 1 of Love alarm, I've watched him.
• 43:40
  Nevertheless, I don't think he's a good actor.
• 43:44
  There's something about looking at song Kong and there's
• 43:48
  something about his little beady eyes that I can't get a read on.
• 43:51
  I feel like there's nothing there and that scares me that
• 43:56
  there. It seems so empty.
• 43:57
  He seems so empty, a lot of emotionless.
• 44:00
  So I think that's what happened with novel era where I was like
• 44:03
  this guy is doesn't remote and then I was like, well as
• 44:05
  character sort of like, you know, a trauma response is to be
• 44:09
  like in a frozen sort of Date, right?
• 44:10
  If that's what you want to call it.
• 44:12
  I'm kind of diagnosing him from over here without any
• 44:13
  credentials. But if he's like, he's like
• 44:17
  traumatized or if he's like going through it essentially and
• 44:21
  he just can't like you don't have time to feel his feelings.
• 44:23
  It's sort of then did make sense of he's so like Stony and like
• 44:27
  emotionless and but then like, yeah, I thought they had my his
• 44:31
  moments hopefully that gives them.
• 44:33
  I would agree that in this show, he probably did the best that
• 44:37
  I've seen him act, especially Like when he was driving a car
• 44:41
  at one point, he was like freaking freaking out because he
• 44:44
  can't drive very well. I was like, okay, and some
• 44:46
  emotion, he's acting the goodbye scene.
• 44:50
  He porchetta. Yes.
• 44:52
  Yeah, that was good to area more like in general in the bathrooms
• 44:56
  of the ballet studio, right? Yeah.
• 44:59
  He's panicked and you're like, okay, I feel this, I feel the
• 45:02
  urgency, I feel the panic. I think when he said goodbye too
• 45:05
  hot to go G and the airport as well, I was like oh God, Sung
• 45:09
  Kang you're bringing It was very emotional because he starts
• 45:12
  crying too and they hug which is very uncommon and kdramas for 2,
• 45:17
  male figures to hug and I was like, oh God.
• 45:21
  So I would say that he did the best.
• 45:23
  In this one. Still, not Stellar still not a
• 45:25
  great actor to me. I think he has a long way to go.
• 45:28
  He's got the model look but like not the chops.
• 45:32
  The acting chops yet so that's the end of my hot sake.
• 45:37
  Um hot of oh geez wife. She goes through quite an arc
• 45:41
  actually where she is very close-minded and upset at his
• 45:48
  him learning ballet and I just, I was had very little sympathy
• 45:53
  for her. I was like, she has no leg to
• 45:55
  stand on, and I just didn't. I felt so much anger toward her
• 46:00
  towards the first time because the reason she gave a
• 46:03
  ridiculous. She's like, do you want to live
• 46:04
  here kids? Why are you doing your own
• 46:06
  thing? I was like, what he's retired.
• 46:08
  Kids are his kids are adults like what?
• 46:10
  Supposed to do exactly like, she kept packing food for them and
• 46:13
  giving them. I come over, get the soup come
• 46:15
  over and get this, whatever she made.
• 46:16
  And that's nice, but they didn't need that.
• 46:18
  It was like these children. Adult children were had any kind
• 46:20
  of me that the hardwood you should have been attending to.
• 46:23
  And so, she was just getting mad at him for like no reason.
• 46:25
  Yes, ridiculous. Every moment you live should be
• 46:28
  for your kids. It's like what?
• 46:29
  That's ridiculous. Even for like Asian family.
• 46:32
  Yeah, she had a skewed version of like, what her role is at
• 46:36
  this point in life, where she was still trying to be the mom
• 46:38
  and it's like, no, you're pretty much done.
• 46:40
  Done like they're already cooked.
• 46:41
  Like the youngest the Monday is 39 years old.
• 46:45
  You're done. He said that so many times.
• 46:48
  He's like I'm 39 and 39. Yeah, you said it over and over
• 46:51
  again. And now I remember it, but when
• 46:54
  she guilted him into quitting ballet, I I was seething.
• 46:58
  I was seething know when she cut into his leg is ready to throw
• 47:02
  something. God, I was throwing had, oh my
• 47:05
  God, the worst, the worst ever moment.
• 47:08
  Yeah. Like that whole drama.
• 47:09
  I felt like was when she Cut again, really cut up his dance
• 47:12
  legging. Yes.
• 47:13
  He cut up his leotard and then said, age gracefully like that
• 47:16
  was the thing. She kept saying like age
• 47:17
  gracefully, just go hiking with me.
• 47:19
  Like, why do you need to do this?
• 47:20
  Just like you're such an embarrassment.
• 47:21
  You said, and I did feel like her tail was like the status quo
• 47:24
  that she like works so hard to achieve and wanted to maintain
• 47:27
  it. All costs for her kids, even
• 47:29
  like her kids had to live up to and I feel like in her mind her
• 47:31
  husband had to live up to what she had to live up to it.
• 47:33
  And I think and I know they struggled in the early days of
• 47:36
  their marriage, but then she was so hung up on it.
• 47:39
  Still. I was like this.
• 47:40
  This is ridiculous. Yeah, you don't you don't give
• 47:42
  her an inch in the show as an audience member.
• 47:45
  She yeah she kept citing her kids.
• 47:48
  She was like they were just too poor to send their kids school
• 47:52
  fees when they were younger and the kids grew up, well, despite
• 47:57
  all these circumstances. So can't he stop ballet for the
• 48:01
  kids now when they're so against it like bullshit, we've already
• 48:05
  established a grown-ass kids like let.
• 48:08
  How about do you live and Achieve this level of success
• 48:11
  like you said, like despite their yes they had hardships.
• 48:14
  But now they're all kind of like maybe not as subtle as she would
• 48:16
  like or as successful as you like.
• 48:18
  But they're they're they're at the point, she brought them up
• 48:20
  to be at so I don't know what more she really wants.
• 48:22
  Yeah. Why she's to bring hot Emoji
• 48:24
  into this. She kind of saw ballet is being
• 48:27
  this frivolous thing when they sacrificed so much to raise
• 48:30
  their kids. But of mind, I'm like, babe.
• 48:32
  It's been 20 years since you were like raising a child.
• 48:35
  So this is the time, this is the time for him to he can do ballet
• 48:40
  it. It was very frustrating to watch
• 48:43
  the family, have family many meetings over the hot Emoji
• 48:47
  learning ballet. Like what is that?
• 48:49
  Why do we need a family meeting about?
• 48:51
  No idea and it occurs like he took put on a tutu, walk down
• 48:55
  the street and then like went to ballet class and maybe that's an
• 48:57
  issue and their neighborhood of but that would be an issue in
• 49:00
  their neighborhood but he just was casually going to Studio
• 49:02
  doing his thing and coming home. That's it, like, it's like going
• 49:04
  to the gym. Almost, he's not even hurting
• 49:06
  anybody like no, no, the Asshole, son the oldest son, I
• 49:13
  call them to asshole. Son.
• 49:14
  The in the one I really was like, why are we?
• 49:17
  I didn't want to. I didn't care about him.
• 49:18
  Yeah because he's you can't Brew for him at all.
• 49:21
  Like he's terrible. He I think I won't point the why
• 49:25
  his wife was going back to work right after 20 years, like she's
• 49:28
  going back to work. Finally full-time is what she's
• 49:31
  wanted like since the child was born, she's wanted to go back to
• 49:34
  work full time and he was offended that she wanted to go
• 49:37
  back to work offended that she had an interview for the job.
• 49:40
  She was like, he was demanding that she still fulfill her
• 49:43
  responsibilities as a mom and a wife.
• 49:45
  So I really did not understand this because I feel like they
• 49:48
  met as sort of equals or peers or whatever is colleague
• 49:51
  something? So why are you so weirded out by
• 49:54
  her desires to go back to that status special.
• 49:57
  She did fulfill her duties as a mom.
• 49:58
  It exactly. You want her to keep packing
• 50:01
  Bento boxes for you like I don't understand.
• 50:03
  Like it was very weird. It was very weird.
• 50:05
  It was so annoying. And then of course, his reaction
• 50:08
  to the dad. Doing ballet.
• 50:11
  I mean, he thought he kept saying that, are you doing this
• 50:15
  to me? Why are you doing this to me?
• 50:17
  Like, like I said, bad starting ballet was like to spite him as
• 50:22
  a punishment to him, like he's the victim.
• 50:25
  I think that was very much a reflection of his mom.
• 50:27
  His mom's attitude was like you're ruining our whole family
• 50:29
  by you doing this little thing and the oldest son or eldest,
• 50:32
  son kind of mirrored that like you're ruining my life, the most
• 50:37
  prestigious one here basically this attitude the whole time.
• 50:40
  So he's like this is going to affect me.
• 50:41
  The most I have the most to lose and I guess it's supposed to
• 50:44
  show like his him and his mom being on the same page was over
• 50:47
  and I was like, we don't care this much but I think the tide
• 50:51
  finally changes when that sun drops in on them and sees the
• 50:56
  dad and his leotard and blows a gasket.
• 50:59
  Like he completely is out of line and disrespectful the way
• 51:04
  he speaks to his father. And finally, the wife, the
• 51:07
  Hominy is like, just Hitting him and just like, why are you
• 51:11
  talking that way to your father? He's done so much for this
• 51:14
  family. You don't understand.
• 51:16
  Because he was saying stuff that like he's never, I've never
• 51:20
  asked you for a favor ever. You know, I've had to make
• 51:22
  sacrifices growing up while you got to live comfortably and
• 51:26
  like, no, no, no, it's the other way around.
• 51:28
  Get ya out of pocket. Mmm, it's still so
• 51:32
  disrespectful. So the Mom finally she sticks up
• 51:35
  for heart emoji. And she says, why does your why
• 51:38
  does our sons success have to make us feel so small.
• 51:41
  Why does your father have to feel sorry when you've grown up
• 51:44
  so well, so profound. Yeah.
• 51:48
  So it is I love that line and I love that she finally is like,
• 51:52
  do belly, like it's fine. Actually, for me, that was a
• 51:55
  moment to where she was like because prior to that she had
• 51:57
  been like, I do everything for my kids, I sacrificed my whole
• 52:00
  life for my kids and then she finally was like, actually there
• 52:02
  should be more reciprocal than it may be.
• 52:04
  Is like they there could, they were kind of up until that point
• 52:06
  ignoring them a little bit. Like they were always bugged by
• 52:09
  her and they're like oh Mom CNO. They she wants to pick up soup
• 52:12
  again or whatever and they were like very bothered and then she
• 52:15
  finally was like, actually you guys need to respect us and
• 52:19
  appreciate us. And that was kind of good.
• 52:21
  Yeah, I liked that part. Yeah, I have so many lines here.
• 52:25
  I cannot go through each one but like I face my problem head-on
• 52:29
  because I wanted to be happy. What makes you happiest.
• 52:34
  Someone asked me that question today but I couldn't answer it.
• 52:36
  I'm going to find out and that's something that's own Kong asks.
• 52:40
  The granddaughter because they're like semi friends.
• 52:44
  That was an interesting relationship and I don't think
• 52:47
  they really gave her our a lot of play as much as they did in
• 52:52
  like the Middle episodes where she is shown at work with song
• 52:58
  and she's getting treated badly. She's doing badly on the job.
• 53:01
  She gets played by her evaluator who wanted her to look translate
• 53:06
  her thesis paper into English and then gave her a c on the
• 53:09
  evaluation and like, Shut down his chances at Landing, a
• 53:12
  permanent position at the company.
• 53:14
  It was like all this drama and then like we don't get as much
• 53:17
  drama the rest of the show for her.
• 53:20
  She had like this really juicy moment and then like yeah done.
• 53:24
  Yeah and then she's like, I love working at the radio.
• 53:26
  I was like whoa. Like that happened way too
• 53:28
  quickly. Yeah, from like she had this
• 53:30
  other idea of her life and then she's like I don't want this
• 53:32
  radio internship and then she gets it.
• 53:33
  She's like just kidding. I love it.
• 53:34
  And I was like, what's that happened?
• 53:36
  So fast. That was weird to.
• 53:37
  Yeah. Because at the end, she sits
• 53:38
  down with song and she's like, oh, yeah.
• 53:40
  Found it. I found what makes me happy and
• 53:41
  he's like what is that? Just like working at the radio
• 53:44
  station makes it was up about. Hold on, hold on.
• 53:46
  How do we get there? You were being awesome because
• 53:49
  she was just like a coffee bringer copies maker.
• 53:52
  She wasn't like yeah, anything important not to be me.
• 53:55
  That is important. Yeah.
• 53:58
  But she wasn't doing meaningful work.
• 53:59
  Right. Right.
• 54:00
  Right. Fulfilling work.
• 54:01
  Yeah, she was just showing up. I do like that they didn't have
• 54:06
  any like they seemed like they were going to get like kind of
• 54:08
  romantical. Let's talk about this because I
• 54:10
  thought I was like, oh, they're gonna get their song on the
• 54:14
  granddaughter are going to make it as a couple by the end of the
• 54:16
  show or something to that effect.
• 54:18
  Yeah, never happened. Never happened.
• 54:21
  What the hell? It was both frustrating, but I
• 54:24
  was kind of like, actually, this is good because for one thing I
• 54:27
  think towards the end, maybe this again, just me, but they
• 54:29
  almost had a sibling Dynamic there, like, we share a grandpa.
• 54:31
  So now it's like, okay, we don't want them to get together.
• 54:34
  Also, To fulfill his dreams. There's no way he could really
• 54:36
  be with her because she's like, working in a local radio
• 54:38
  station. He's like, I gotta go be a
• 54:39
  ballerina and Italy or whatever he was doing those kind of
• 54:42
  Impractical. And yeah, he just was so adopted
• 54:46
  by The Harem. Only had a body that it seemed
• 54:49
  almost incestuous. I would've been almost
• 54:50
  incestuous, you know, that was my take on it right again.
• 54:54
  I could be reading this in a really weird way but they did
• 54:57
  have this really nice camaraderie and understanding
• 54:59
  and she's like, you look after my grandpa and I think she does
• 55:02
  such appreciation for how he did look.
• 55:04
  After her grandma, she recognized that acknowledge that
• 55:08
  and she's just like, I'm here for you, bro.
• 55:09
  Like, I like that dynamic as a change.
• 55:12
  But yes, at some point, I was like, are they gonna kiss?
• 55:14
  I think it gets a guy hired all that.
• 55:18
  Yeah, I was kind of hoping it's sunk.
• 55:20
  I'm gonna blankly look out a window and like they cut to the
• 55:23
  granddaughter and so he's obviously thinking of her like,
• 55:26
  no, it never happened. It's kind of refreshing, the
• 55:30
  kind of a letdown if you're into kdrama.
• 55:32
  I agree. Completely it is.
• 55:34
  Like okay, I was expecting. It would have been okay with it
• 55:37
  but then they didn't do it. I'm like okay.
• 55:38
  Yeah. Platonic friendship is okay to
• 55:40
  like, it's fine. Yeah, either way, but it was a
• 55:44
  bit of a fake. Oh yes, the incompatible this
• 55:48
  company. Yeah, they're compatible.
• 55:50
  Yeah, I was very emotional during the ballet scene in the
• 55:55
  snow and there were three ballet scenes in the snow.
• 56:01
  Right. Right where and this one was an
• 56:04
  episode a where Hollywood? He loses his memory and he's
• 56:07
  like been in standing in the street Frozen for like over 30
• 56:10
  minutes and he couldn't remember Chadwick.
• 56:13
  So chaddock starts dancing in the, in the walkway there.
• 56:17
  Oh my God. Beautiful beautiful.
• 56:22
  Any got the park in one, like his portrayal of someone so
• 56:27
  freaked out. Cannot doesn't know where he is,
• 56:29
  doesn't know who he's talking to.
• 56:30
  She doesn't know what's happening.
• 56:31
  It's just having this like moment where his Alzheimer's
• 56:34
  symptoms are flaring if that's the way I could describe it.
• 56:38
  I thought that was such a good portrayal because he looks so
• 56:40
  freaked out. And then and then putting that
• 56:43
  scene in the writers to me that seated with songkong like
• 56:45
  dancing to jog his memory. So genius I thought like yeah
• 56:49
  you know, he could have just been like remember we take
• 56:51
  ballet together and I'm your teacher.
• 56:52
  He did do a little bit of that, but then he's like, okay, I'm
• 56:54
  just gonna start dancing because it shows how yeah, this art is.
• 56:56
  So moving your heart of a g in particular.
• 56:59
  It's more than words, it's more. Then anything else?
• 57:02
  Oh my God. Yes, it's transcending.
• 57:05
  You know, totally God. Great word.
• 57:08
  It was beautiful and I didn't care that that wasn't Sung Kang
• 57:12
  dancing in the, the silhouette or whatever.
• 57:16
  I was just moved. I was moved when that scene came
• 57:19
  up and of course, had a woody does.
• 57:22
  Remember him, he liked it, does jog his memory.
• 57:24
  So it's I think of it as like movie Magic because In real
• 57:29
  life, I do not think that a little dancing.
• 57:34
  Boy will jog, an Alzheimer's patients memory.
• 57:38
  Never know, you never know. It's a very unpredictable
• 57:41
  disease and a funny story my grandmother.
• 57:44
  She just recently passed away like a couple of months ago, but
• 57:46
  she thank you. She also got dementia and
• 57:51
  hurlers way later than my grandfather did.
• 57:53
  She was in her late 80s but she got dementia and it was a very
• 57:57
  rapid decline for her. But she never forgot that my
• 58:00
  friend met her husband on a cruise, like, they would come
• 58:04
  and visit, she wouldn't remember who they were and then they'd
• 58:07
  start talking like, oh yeah, you guys met on the cruise, right?
• 58:10
  So like random. Yeah, the most random thing that
• 58:13
  she remembered but the dancing in the snow sequence, in episode
• 58:18
  10, also shook me up. That was when Haji starts
• 58:22
  dancing in the like lights from the car and it's snowing again.
• 58:26
  Oh my gosh, I thought Because the traditional kdrama Trope is
• 58:31
  no means romance, right first? No first time you like get
• 58:35
  together or whatever is like there's always those things
• 58:37
  about snow not that this was first no necessarily.
• 58:39
  But in this drama they used to know for these pivotal moments
• 58:43
  that are related to ballet which was like in a way his first
• 58:46
  love. If you think about it moving you
• 58:48
  getting to it? No keep going.
• 58:50
  Keep going. But yeah like it's something
• 58:53
  that's so meaningful and and his passion and he like kind of
• 58:56
  tamped it down for so long. And then every time it snows,
• 58:59
  Knows there's like this important dance scene.
• 59:01
  I thought that was a nice again. I kind of appreciate some of the
• 59:04
  variations away from the regular drama tropes and regular,
• 59:08
  expectations of what the drama will be because it's so much
• 59:11
  more creative and kind of more meaningful.
• 59:14
  I thought. Anyway, yes.
• 59:15
  Beautiful interpretation of that because yes, no is usually a
• 59:19
  Romancing. But this is a bromance with an
• 59:23
  art form. Yeah.
• 59:25
  Yeah. It's really good way to put it.
• 59:27
  Yeah, beautiful. I I think that I kind of lost it
• 59:32
  and started crying during the family meeting where they're
• 59:35
  talking about the nursing home situation and that discussion
• 59:39
  that's all of kids have with each other.
• 59:42
  And then, that granddaughter was my hero.
• 59:44
  The So they're talking about what they're going to do, right?
• 59:50
  The oldest son says oh we're going to take him, we're going
• 59:52
  to take him in. We're going to take care of him
• 59:53
  and that's when the sister says no.
• 59:55
  You know, we're going to take him in and her politician
• 59:58
  husband stepson. Some steps up and says it
• 1:00:00
  before, she can get the words out and says, no will take him.
• 1:00:04
  I been in these conversations. You know, I've been in these
• 1:00:08
  family meetings. What are we going to do?
• 1:00:10
  Because it's getting worse and you guys can't take care of, you
• 1:00:15
  know, so and so, So, it almost felt like I've been, I've been
• 1:00:19
  in that room and the tension, the emotions.
• 1:00:22
  And the fact they have kind of, to put on a different hat
• 1:00:25
  because you have to think logically.
• 1:00:28
  You cannot think emotionally, like, what are you?
• 1:00:31
  He cannot take care of himself. He can't stay by himself, but I
• 1:00:34
  work full time, right? I cannot be with him 24 hours a
• 1:00:37
  day and he needs 24/7 supervision.
• 1:00:39
  So, something's got to give Yeah, my family's from
• 1:00:44
  Bangladesh and there's like a big stigma about like nursing
• 1:00:48
  homes or let's talk. Like that's like abandoning your
• 1:00:50
  family and you have to be the one to take care of your family.
• 1:00:54
  So the Elder son was like, no, we we are the family in the
• 1:00:57
  sister was like, but realistically we need help.
• 1:00:59
  We have professional nurses or whoever to come.
• 1:01:02
  We either in the home or we have to sent like, you know, it was
• 1:01:05
  like a huge emotional battle but that struggle between logic and
• 1:01:08
  emotions. I thought was really well
• 1:01:09
  portrayed really well. Portrayed, it was a Very well
• 1:01:13
  written. And like you said, I come from a
• 1:01:16
  Hispanic culture. It's the same exact thing in our
• 1:01:19
  culture where the older, you get that the older generation
• 1:01:23
  expects that their children will take care of them in their old
• 1:01:27
  age, no matter what going into a nursing home is like, not an
• 1:01:30
  option. It's taboo.
• 1:01:32
  Like you don't do that. It seems like you're abandoning
• 1:01:35
  your family member throwing them away or something.
• 1:01:37
  Yes. Like just, like, putting them
• 1:01:39
  away in a nursing home and that's That's not the case at
• 1:01:43
  all. I've learned I've had to
• 1:01:45
  unlearn. This actually like as a as a
• 1:01:47
  Hispanic coming from this culture and dealing with it.
• 1:01:50
  Firsthand three different times. Actually, I feel completely
• 1:01:56
  that. It's not the case.
• 1:01:58
  You're not abandoning, your family member, you need help,
• 1:02:01
  they need help, they need specialized help, right?
• 1:02:04
  That is a taking care of them. Yes.
• 1:02:07
  Yes, give them the best care. If unless you're a trained
• 1:02:10
  geriatric nurse you're not going to be able to provide Vide.
• 1:02:12
  That care or Jared? Yes, you got it.
• 1:02:14
  You need to leave something. A diagnosis like this.
• 1:02:16
  It's not just regular aging or what?
• 1:02:18
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:02:19
  Like a different thing entirely, and they're not capable, and
• 1:02:23
  they're not equipped. Especially if you have a
• 1:02:24
  full-time job, especially don't know what you're doing in this
• 1:02:26
  scenario and you do need to consider something like under a
• 1:02:30
  home or a special facility or at least in home care.
• 1:02:34
  Something. Yeah, something I mean my case,
• 1:02:36
  if it went three different ways. So my grandfather, my
• 1:02:40
  grandmother swore that Take care of her husband, she's going to
• 1:02:44
  do it, no matter what, and she took care of him for seven
• 1:02:47
  years. He was bedridden and she took
• 1:02:48
  care of him on his own, on her, own would not recognize her at a
• 1:02:51
  time where recommend, because it really chipped away at her,
• 1:02:54
  spirit chipped away at her energy and feel like an aged her
• 1:03:01
  a lot more, and she needed help all the time.
• 1:03:03
  So, we were going over there. All the time we were moving him,
• 1:03:06
  you had to move them. So he wouldn't get bedsores and
• 1:03:08
  then he got a bed sore and it was devastating and it was all
• 1:03:10
  these things zero. At a time we were I commend
• 1:03:12
  them. My aunt got um, was it called
• 1:03:16
  frontotemporal dementia, which is an early onset dementia, she
• 1:03:19
  was in her 50s and she basically got dementia and the same thing
• 1:03:22
  she became bedridden and she couldn't function, and my
• 1:03:25
  grandmother was like, I'm going to do it all over again.
• 1:03:27
  I'm going to take care of him. We were like no we're not going
• 1:03:29
  to do that again. It went horribly, you need help.
• 1:03:32
  You can't deal with her on your own.
• 1:03:33
  So we hired a help we hired a nurse who would come and like
• 1:03:37
  take care of her during the day and help out and stuff.
• 1:03:40
  Which again I don't think that was enough at all because They
• 1:03:42
  didn't want the nurse to, or have another nurse to spend the
• 1:03:45
  night and have an overnight nurse.
• 1:03:48
  So it was like wild at night that because sundowning is a
• 1:03:51
  real thing. And then my grandmother, which
• 1:03:54
  was most recent, you know, P were I'm older now.
• 1:03:57
  So I was I had more of a say in like what the care was going to
• 1:04:01
  look like and I was like, you guys can't do this.
• 1:04:04
  I was talking to my dad, right? He's the only son left and they
• 1:04:09
  were doing their best. My mom was basically the Option
• 1:04:12
  in, in this story where she was, she married into the family and
• 1:04:16
  she was like, we're going to do it.
• 1:04:17
  We're going to take care of her and she's a sweet sentiment.
• 1:04:20
  Yes, that's just sweet. They, you know, it's hard
• 1:04:23
  because when my family, my mother's parents died young.
• 1:04:27
  And so the, my my father's parents, my grandmother were,
• 1:04:34
  they were like a second parents to her and they, it was like a,
• 1:04:38
  they've known each other for like over 40 years.
• 1:04:40
  So it was very much An emotional decision to make logically to
• 1:04:48
  now, is that we can't do this anymore we have to put her in a
• 1:04:50
  home with memory care which was a whole nother thing, right?
• 1:04:54
  Because there's nursing homes for people that don't have
• 1:04:56
  dementia and then there's Memory Care who's just like a whole
• 1:04:58
  nother thing. But I mean, in this case, seeing
• 1:05:01
  this conversation and not Valera, and seeing how they kind
• 1:05:07
  of like, we're like, oh, he's doing okay right now, like we
• 1:05:11
  can take care of him. I'm like again, this is when I
• 1:05:13
  was like, you don't understand. It's like Progressive, like they
• 1:05:17
  will not be able to maintain this.
• 1:05:20
  Like he will not remember the moment where he forgets them in
• 1:05:25
  the final episode. And it's the day, D-Day, the day
• 1:05:29
  of the performance. And he forgets, everybody
• 1:05:31
  forgets, like, who he is forgets, how to dance?
• 1:05:34
  I was like. Oh no.
• 1:05:35
  And then, I have, I have a little bit of pessimism, like,
• 1:05:38
  in my view because I'm like, well who knows when he'll
• 1:05:42
  return. And like, be able to remember
• 1:05:45
  everything and the families face when they the relief and joy,
• 1:05:50
  when he recognizes them finally, for I found that heartbreaking,
• 1:05:53
  most people would be like, oh yes.
• 1:05:54
  He can do it. He can, he can dance in the, in
• 1:05:58
  the Showcase. And I'm like, oh no girl.
• 1:06:00
  Like because you this is heartbreaking lab because there
• 1:06:05
  is no doubt in my mind that this is going to happen more
• 1:06:08
  frequently. And the times when he remembers
• 1:06:11
  them is going to be less. And Les.
• 1:06:13
  It was so sad. So to me it was it was sad.
• 1:06:16
  It was heartbreaking. It was like, it's weird as a
• 1:06:20
  viewer. And you're just thinking of the
• 1:06:22
  these characters are like I want to see the dance like a crazed,
• 1:06:24
  right? We build up to this but yeah, I
• 1:06:29
  and then it was so heartbreaking.
• 1:06:30
  When he couldn't recognize his wife he couldn't recognize Chau
• 1:06:32
  doc, he didn't remember ballet and then he like the he was sort
• 1:06:36
  of getting it again and they're like all right you gotta like
• 1:06:38
  remember and he's like it's so much pressure.
• 1:06:40
  I feel like that level of stress on someone who's going through
• 1:06:43
  it. This is like, this would kind of
• 1:06:44
  exacerbate their symptoms, almost more.
• 1:06:46
  So I was like, and I was a moment from your, like, this is
• 1:06:49
  realistic. I don't know.
• 1:06:49
  But we're in dromoland. So I'll just like go with it,
• 1:06:53
  right? Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  Speaking of things that are in dromoland, I noticed that song
• 1:06:57
  kong was using chopsticks with his left hand.
• 1:07:01
  And then when he wrote the like spell quote-unquote in the
• 1:07:05
  ballet, shoe for heart emoji, he was using his right hand to the
• 1:07:09
  right and I was like, wait is song I made extras.
• 1:07:14
  He could just like I know some people were like trying to do
• 1:07:16
  some random things with their right hand, so maybe that's all
• 1:07:18
  it was there like it's school, maybe he was because I was
• 1:07:20
  actually born left-handed and my parents read us.
• 1:07:23
  Something in the news about like studies show left-handed
• 1:07:25
  children, blah, blah, whatever, adults grow up to something.
• 1:07:28
  So they're like, oh, you're switching Jeremy into the have
• 1:07:30
  to like train me. So you know, you ain't happy
• 1:07:34
  necessarily ambidextrous but maybe he liked.
• 1:07:36
  What was told at school, you gotta write with your right.
• 1:07:37
  Oh yeah, I've heard of that happening.
• 1:07:41
  I actually the only thing that I do Lefty is Play pool.
• 1:07:47
  I don't know why. And I didn't learn like I wasn't
• 1:07:49
  like, someone's gonna teach me how to play pool is like a
• 1:07:51
  natural like this feels comfortable.
• 1:07:53
  I can control it like this is just and I don't know why if you
• 1:07:58
  if anyone is listening out there and it's like I can do things
• 1:08:01
  with my right hand and I can't do with my left hand vice versa.
• 1:08:04
  Let us know like, how are you? Oddly ambidextrous.
• 1:08:09
  Yeah. Is there anything else that you
• 1:08:11
  would like to say about novel era?
• 1:08:14
  Cuz we're coming up on like the end of the show was wanted to
• 1:08:17
  touch on TED Talks coach the former famous ballarino himself
• 1:08:22
  who had a back injury. Yes, whole deal with his ex-wife
• 1:08:26
  / new wife, and that was a very strange part.
• 1:08:30
  Like a person to me, I didn't know how to feel about him.
• 1:08:32
  It seemed like Jack was hiding his struggles with.
• 1:08:35
  Like, you know, I'm alone. I'm trying to live on my own.
• 1:08:37
  I have multiple jobs. He wasn't telling him.
• 1:08:39
  And I was like, what about China?
• 1:08:41
  Iraq? Did this ballarino guy, fine.
• 1:08:43
  So, like he said, It. But we didn't like see it or if
• 1:08:45
  we did we didn't like, come through to me that.
• 1:08:47
  This was like amazing dance. Work for like a almost untrained
• 1:08:50
  child, but he like took him under his wing and he's like,
• 1:08:53
  this is my protege. I was like, but why?
• 1:08:55
  And then he like how this whole deal with his ex-wife and I was
• 1:08:57
  like, but why? And then you know he was famous
• 1:09:00
  and then his like career engine mated show like any almost any
• 1:09:03
  of his like struggles with that depression or whatever feelings
• 1:09:07
  you might have had after that he just was like.
• 1:09:09
  Anyway now I have this Ballet company and I was just like,
• 1:09:12
  what are you doing with this guy?
• 1:09:13
  He seemed Fine. But yeah I agree I thought that
• 1:09:17
  they again a half-baked the subplot with this guy and his
• 1:09:20
  background where I didn't quite understand like what was
• 1:09:24
  happening until like the later episodes where he was like I was
• 1:09:28
  in a rut. I got this injury, I tried to
• 1:09:31
  dance through it, and it ended up ending my career and not.
• 1:09:34
  So he had like an identity crisis, an existential crisis
• 1:09:38
  and then song came into the picture.
• 1:09:40
  So I was like, oh, he was dancing until like recently,
• 1:09:42
  then, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  All happened so fast. It's like Revelation about
• 1:09:46
  exactly how this all went down was very, very fast in one
• 1:09:49
  episode and I was like, oh there's like no, like builds up
• 1:09:52
  or like it's not about him. I get that the show is not about
• 1:09:54
  him, but it was weird. I also I did appreciate that for
• 1:09:57
  Navi Lera. How there was like this sort of
• 1:10:00
  it was kind of diverse. There's like an elder person
• 1:10:02
  trying to do ballet. There was that Valley company
• 1:10:04
  that had like the wheelchair use.
• 1:10:06
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:10:08
  That was really cool but I thought it was weird and kind of
• 1:10:11
  fun. Likely that really?
• 1:10:13
  Very little was About men in ballet.
• 1:10:15
  There was no, like, the bully wasn't bullying him about that.
• 1:10:18
  That's like, like, boy him about that.
• 1:10:20
  Maybe like a fire here. They didn't really make that the
• 1:10:24
  girls. It was not weird, no one was
• 1:10:25
  weird. And I feel like in Korea, maybe
• 1:10:28
  people would be more, like, they didn't talk about like the
• 1:10:32
  gender politics of it. Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Yeah. We're all about the al-jalil.
• 1:10:37
  Yeah. You too old to do ballet.
• 1:10:38
  Okay fine. But then almost like glossed
• 1:10:41
  over gendered stuff. You are Lately.
• 1:10:44
  Right? Because I think that's more
• 1:10:46
  realistic than probably a lot of the other subplots that they had
• 1:10:49
  going on and what they were bullying.
• 1:10:52
  Like the bully bully was like bullying out in a very complex
• 1:10:56
  way, like, a complex reason for the bully.
• 1:10:58
  And I was like, no, man, simplify simplify, I wonder if
• 1:11:02
  the webtoon kind of delves into this more.
• 1:11:04
  I didn't read. All right, right?
• 1:11:06
  Yeah. No, I didn't either.
• 1:11:07
  I forgot to mention that in the first half, but I agree.
• 1:11:10
  The Bullying could have been a little more traditional, So I
• 1:11:15
  find me, that's why I found it odd, very distracting and the
• 1:11:18
  fact that they kind of divulged the reasons for some of these
• 1:11:20
  things, very late in the game. I was like, when I don't even
• 1:11:22
  care, I like accepted that this bullies weird.
• 1:11:24
  I've accepted that this Coach Guy like, kind of cares.
• 1:11:27
  What charge? What kind of doesn't care about,
• 1:11:28
  you know, and I kind of was just like at peace with these things
• 1:11:31
  and then I'm like, oh this is why I like this is what
• 1:11:33
  happened. I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot.
• 1:11:34
  I care about that for a second ago.
• 1:11:38
  I agree and I think we've been bashing the show a lot more than
• 1:11:41
  I like intended to bash it but This show, genuinely it's worth
• 1:11:46
  watching. I would recommend it to people.
• 1:11:49
  It has a lot of this. I think we mentioned this in the
• 1:11:53
  my mr. Episode.
• 1:11:54
  But like this Korean concept of Jang which is like a kindred
• 1:11:57
  spirit, someone you're not related to by Blood who seems to
• 1:12:02
  have the strange connection with you.
• 1:12:03
  And that is the relationship between songs Chadwick and the
• 1:12:07
  hot Emoji. Like they have this like weird
• 1:12:10
  sort of connection where they understand each other and
• 1:12:12
  they're almost like Two sides of the same coin they're like soul
• 1:12:16
  mates, there's so many, there's so many, it's essentially like
• 1:12:19
  that's the only equivalent of this relationship is just saying
• 1:12:23
  that they're, they're soul mates.
• 1:12:25
  And that's why I like this show is that this one that's why I,
• 1:12:29
  like, my odds are she choose the same thing, right?
• 1:12:31
  Like you just said, it's like, sometimes in dramas, I love
• 1:12:34
  romance. Dramas don't get me wrong but
• 1:12:36
  it's kind of nice to see like there's nothing romantic going
• 1:12:38
  on, but it's very deep and intimate.
• 1:12:40
  Anyway, or I guess in Majesty, there's like some sort of like
• 1:12:43
  mini man. But it was it's more like this
• 1:12:48
  intimacy. That is very much unspoken.
• 1:12:50
  It's not like super outward and they both are feeling at the
• 1:12:53
  same time and I think about that in real life like the energy
• 1:12:56
  vibrations like between them must have been like really so
• 1:13:00
  intense and The Chemistry Between the actors are so good.
• 1:13:02
  Like I was totally buying that. Check was friends with like a
• 1:13:05
  seven-year-old, man. He's right there.
• 1:13:06
  He's. Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  He's buddies. His best friend.
• 1:13:08
  Like the 73-year old. And the an even when.
• 1:13:11
  Huh? Demony like adopts charak
• 1:13:12
  immediately. She's like, okay, you're my And
• 1:13:14
  so now and I was like this is this is so hard, it's precious.
• 1:13:17
  It's precious. This show goes out to all the
• 1:13:19
  dreamers out there who want to pursue something that seems like
• 1:13:22
  a pipe dream that seems unlikely.
• 1:13:24
  That seems like you have no Talent.
• 1:13:26
  You shouldn't be wasting your time.
• 1:13:28
  This one goes out for all of you, all of us like there's so
• 1:13:32
  many quotes in here, like, just trust yourself and keep going
• 1:13:36
  happiness. Could be felt in the little
• 1:13:37
  details. You don't always have to achieve
• 1:13:39
  something Grand, even if you make a mistake.
• 1:13:41
  Don't stop. Just keep going.
• 1:13:42
  It's like Is like a love letter to the struggle, to the Grind,
• 1:13:47
  to trying something new, and it's beautiful.
• 1:13:52
  It's very encouraging. And I like that about the show,
• 1:13:54
  the just like the Grandeur themes of it, where you don't
• 1:13:59
  have to be a young spring chicken to learn ballet, which
• 1:14:02
  is a highly technical athletic performance art and your goal
• 1:14:08
  doesn't have to be like Prima ballerina, right?
• 1:14:11
  Of blah, blah blah like yeah, that is a good goal because it
• 1:14:13
  but now, I'm ready. Gonna make that, you know, get
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  there. And so just pursue is only for
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  the sake of pursuing, it is also valuable.
• 1:14:19
  Yeah, I loved that part of the show, I loved that, you know,
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  don't give up all of these like almost mantras that the show
• 1:14:29
  explores and talks directly to the audience at times.
• 1:14:32
  It feels like in some of the dialogue.
• 1:14:34
  Feels like it's like fourth wall breaking because they're true.
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  It's like so uplifting and they're speaking directly to you
• 1:14:41
  the audience. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:43
  Seems like That. Yeah.
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  And then of course they put on all these extra clothes with all
• 1:14:50
  of the other subplots and it was too much man.
• 1:14:53
  And I did I just still don't get why it's best friend, like, it
• 1:14:56
  was like the worst best friend ever or like he was the worst
• 1:14:58
  best friend to him, like he was like, what is this relationship?
• 1:15:01
  But but yeah, he had a lot more love than he felt like he had
• 1:15:05
  and I thought that was interesting to show because he
• 1:15:08
  was so alone, but he wasn't. And then the new friends, the
• 1:15:11
  found family aspect of it with a hot about Gee.
• 1:15:14
  But then how do I took him in immediately the his play cousin
• 1:15:17
  his like, you know, his daughter but she's granddaughter.
• 1:15:21
  That also was really touching. I thought, yeah, I thought nah,
• 1:15:26
  Valletta means something in Spanish because to me when I
• 1:15:28
  read I was like, oh, it says kind of side of it's a maybe
• 1:15:32
  it's a Spanish word or something.
• 1:15:33
  No, it's not. It's a Korean word that combines
• 1:15:36
  the word for butterfly with an old literary suffix.
• 1:15:39
  And it roughly translates to like a butterfly.
• 1:15:42
  Yes. A flask.
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  God sorry. Not this time the Spanish
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  Korean. Oh yeah.
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  No drama crossover as Annabella. Yeah it'll happen one day but
• 1:15:55
  not yet. Yeah, no.
• 1:15:56
  This was not it but I love that the word has something to do
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  with a butterfly and then there was a lot of aspects of the show
• 1:16:03
  where they said a lot of dialogue, where they said, did
• 1:16:05
  you soar? He's going to soar like an eagle
• 1:16:08
  and just representing that sort of potential that is within both
• 1:16:13
  of them both songs character and the hot emoji.
• 1:16:16
  I also like that they talked a lot about like how important is
• 1:16:19
  to practice basic steps. Even if you're a pro even if
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  you're like the the best ballerina and Korea like you
• 1:16:26
  still have to practice the based you to go back to basics and not
• 1:16:29
  neglect, how important that is or not neglect your body.
• 1:16:32
  Like when the ballerina Coach Guy, ballerina coach guy was
• 1:16:36
  injured but he like dance through it.
• 1:16:37
  Like those are all lessons. So many lessons in this show.
• 1:16:39
  Yes, it's lesson heavy but I like it.
• 1:16:42
  That's what I like preachy way. No, no Ricci!
• 1:16:45
  No, no, just encourage. It's touching, it's touching and
• 1:16:48
  also butterfly. I know you haven't watched
• 1:16:50
  nevertheless but butterfly, nevertheless are directly
• 1:16:53
  related and there's something about a tattoo and there's a
• 1:16:56
  like I don't want to say nothing much but I don't want to spoil
• 1:16:59
  nevertheless but it's very fitting that this novel era also
• 1:17:05
  means like a butterfly for some time.
• 1:17:08
  Netflix. Son of Netflix Hong Kong, son of
• 1:17:11
  Netflix. Okay, I think I've reached the
• 1:17:15
  end of my notes. Did you have anything?
• 1:17:16
  Thinking, oh my God. Oh my God, the sewing gook cameo
• 1:17:20
  in episode. I know I was like, is that
• 1:17:22
  something good? Is that him?
• 1:17:23
  Is that him? Like I was having a moment?
• 1:17:25
  I was like, am I hallucinating this?
• 1:17:27
  Yeah, that was great. Yes, I freaked out and I'll tell
• 1:17:30
  you something. I didn't think that I was such a
• 1:17:32
  sewing, good fan. But every time like, he walked
• 1:17:34
  into the room and you don't even see his face.
• 1:17:38
  I just saw like silhouette like the his body and I was like is
• 1:17:40
  that sawing? Gook apparently.
• 1:17:42
  I know him by like the shape of his General body.
• 1:17:45
  So I was like, Huh? I always liked impressed with
• 1:17:48
  myself that I was like, oh God, it's something good.
• 1:17:51
  And they hadn't even done any close-ups on him yet, so kudos
• 1:17:54
  to me for being a closet. Songo Super Fan apparently.
• 1:18:00
  Yeah, that was, I was going to also mention that Taemin OST cuz
• 1:18:04
  I love him and I, it was like a such a easy breezy little song.
• 1:18:08
  It wasn't like, it wasn't like Taemin doing all his like
• 1:18:10
  Tammany stuff, but it was like, it was like a sweet song.
• 1:18:16
  And his voice is really soothing in that song.
• 1:18:19
  And so that to me, that was like a its own Cameo, right?
• 1:18:21
  Taemin. So, I can cook just like
• 1:18:23
  stealing the scenes. Yes, thank you for that.
• 1:18:29
  The 10-minute this one goes on. Yes, beautiful, all around.
• 1:18:34
  Is there anything else that you would like to add about Neville?
• 1:18:37
  Er, um, I wanted to add a little bit about the webtoon writers.
• 1:18:42
  What they said is something about doing ballet.
• 1:18:45
  So, the webtoon writer There's who also were part of the drama
• 1:18:49
  creation or production or something they mentioned.
• 1:18:52
  So this is from an article I'm just going to quote it.
• 1:18:54
  It says Park of just parking on the person who played Hadji is
• 1:18:58
  76 years old. Okay, so side note, he's playing
• 1:19:01
  a seven year old but he was 76 and he does not look 76 whenever
• 1:19:04
  that might not look like this on that.
• 1:19:06
  But anyway it says Park is 76 years old and while he may have
• 1:19:08
  found the ballet seems difficult to Han said that he didn't want
• 1:19:11
  to cast a younger actor and you special makeup because he
• 1:19:14
  thought it was important to get across the line.
• 1:19:16
  Lifetime's worth of wisdom through each word and wrinkle of
• 1:19:19
  the actor. He added that he had.
• 1:19:20
  No doubt that part could pull it off and then for his part.
• 1:19:25
  Yeah, so cute. And I also appreciate like
• 1:19:27
  again, reading, bringing more diversity and everything into
• 1:19:30
  kdramas is always important. So been considering like an
• 1:19:33
  elder actors. Postal like aging young actor, I
• 1:19:36
  thought was important and so park in one himself said in
• 1:19:39
  another interview. He just I thought this was
• 1:19:41
  funny. He said it was challenging
• 1:19:45
  enough that I had to wear ballet.
• 1:19:46
  If it's that stuck to my body and park, when you become my
• 1:19:50
  age, it's hard to exercise because your body gets stiffer.
• 1:19:53
  I took on the challenge as if I was ductile and trying something
• 1:19:55
  new. So I thought that was really
• 1:19:57
  cool. Yeah, he also has granddaughters
• 1:19:59
  like laughed at him at the thought of him like doing ballet
• 1:20:01
  but that now they just keep playing it all his about Lacey.
• 1:20:03
  Oh, that's adorable. That's adorable.
• 1:20:08
  Yeah, thanks for sharing that. That's beautiful.
• 1:20:11
  And that, you know what, I was kind of right though, because it
• 1:20:13
  sounds like he was a little bit self-conscious about Out the
• 1:20:17
  tight clothing that he wore. Yeah.
• 1:20:19
  I mean, I know all times in Korea.
• 1:20:20
  A lot of men in leotards, our Tides will put on like shorts
• 1:20:23
  over it anyway. So yeah, I think like culturally
• 1:20:26
  yeah, that might have been a consideration but I did think to
• 1:20:28
  maybe they were because they could have just done my laughs
• 1:20:31
  eat close-ups me didn't really do that as much either as I
• 1:20:33
  thought they might. So maybe like a combination of
• 1:20:36
  like modesty and we're not professionals out here.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah, well if that's all you have for Neville era, I
• 1:20:45
  definitely. Thank you so much for coming on
• 1:20:48
  and providing so much Insight. You did research for this which
• 1:20:51
  is amazing. Not only like watching all this,
• 1:20:55
  all these hours of Television but coming on and being so
• 1:20:57
  prepared. I want to thank you so much.
• 1:20:59
  I hope you had a great time I did.
• 1:21:01
  Okay, yeah, I love your podcast. So, you know, where can we find
• 1:21:06
  you online? For those who don't know, I'm on
• 1:21:09
  Twitter at Kpop bookshelf. And I'm on Instagram.
• 1:21:11
  I think it's Kpop bookshelf, pot, I don't know.
• 1:21:13
  I forgot already like what my yeah, those are there Lil Bit.
• 1:21:16
  On each but I'm on Instagram more than Twitter.
• 1:21:18
  I can tell you that. So yeah, yes.
• 1:21:21
  And you have wonderful book, recommendations, obviously,
• 1:21:23
  because you're your podcast is about reading the book and then
• 1:21:26
  discussing the book and I actually bought one of the books
• 1:21:29
  that you recommended. It was like, yeah, the Korea, a
• 1:21:32
  history book, and a beautiful cover on it.
• 1:21:35
  I think you like, you got the hardback and I got the pipe, got
• 1:21:37
  to pay for back because that was like the only expensive
• 1:21:40
  expensive. But like I was like, so in love
• 1:21:43
  with the cover and I was like, oh yeah.
• 1:21:44
  I want to read about Korean history from like An actual
• 1:21:47
  expert and I think a lot of Kpop and kdrama fans and not to say
• 1:21:50
  this is good or bad, but sometimes we are a little bit
• 1:21:52
  superficial about our knowledge of Korea and were just like
• 1:21:55
  yeah. Ramyun.
• 1:21:56
  And Cho are like you take like weird little like to pop
• 1:21:58
  culture, a things and run with it and I am someone who is
• 1:22:02
  likely what are they eating? What are they doing?
• 1:22:03
  What's the seonbae? Like I have like a thousand
• 1:22:05
  question so I was like I wanted to start the pockets as a way
• 1:22:08
  for me to learn about Korean culture in a more in-depth way
• 1:22:11
  so that gives better context to what I'm consuming from a media
• 1:22:13
  standpoint. So beautiful love to hear it.
• 1:22:17
  I love it. Thank you so much for coming on
• 1:22:19
  the show again. Well, that's been our show.
• 1:22:22
  I'm Jessica and this has been the ATC presents daebak.
• 1:22:26
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