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The Late Debate | 12 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late way, Welcome to the Light to Plase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Liz Storer
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  Speaker 2: and I'm so glad you're here. Joining me tonight is
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hildurand and mister kel Richards coming up tonight. We
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  Speaker 2: have a packed show. First of all, Dutton has finally
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  Speaker 2: told us what nuclear is going to cost, so you've
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  Speaker 2: gotta definitely got to wait around to find out what
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  Speaker 2: that total is. And irony is dead, ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: because employees working at the Mental Health Commission, that's a
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  Speaker 2: government agency, has voted for the second year in a
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  Speaker 2: row that out of one hundred and five government agencies,
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  Speaker 2: it's the worst to work for. And last, but not least,
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  Speaker 2: experts are now telling us that the costings the arbit
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  Speaker 2: eazy government is telling us about for their new childcare
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  Speaker 2: regime is actually three times more than they're telling us
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  Speaker 2: it is. Who's telling the truth. We'll walk you through that.
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  Speaker 2: You've just got to stick around. But first tonight we
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  Speaker 2: love to pay out on the ABC on the regular,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for their inherent bias, their diving ratings due
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  Speaker 2: to being so out of touch with the average Australian
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  Speaker 2: and they're just casually framing our soldiers for war crimes
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  Speaker 2: they didn't commit by adding an audio of gunshots that
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen. You know, the usual stuff. But we really
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  Speaker 2: talk about the other national broadcaster, the SBS, which is
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  Speaker 2: also funded by the taxpayer by the tune of one
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  Speaker 2: point eight billion dollars for five years starting last year.
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  Speaker 2: It's still a lot of money. But this was brought
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  Speaker 2: to our attention this week by a guy called Peter
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  Speaker 2: who called into two GB to talk about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that SBS do their weather report using indigenous language. Check
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  Speaker 2: out this graphic. It's confusing for the best of us.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly me.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a clue whereas we're looking at that map,
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  Speaker 2: which is the point that he raised. We are an
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  Speaker 2: English speaking country. We do all speak English here and
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  Speaker 2: that is hard to follow for the vast majority of us.
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  Speaker 2: And so Ben Fordham then got on the line to
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  Speaker 2: Warren Mundine, our resident Indigenous expert here at Sky News,
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  Speaker 2: and asked him what do you make of this, mate.
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  Speaker 4: I like having abridginal names. I like it Wollongong and
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  Speaker 4: so on, and that now Wogga, woggar and things but look,
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  Speaker 4: it starts getting a bit crazy and goes overboard, and
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  Speaker 4: this is when it starts upsetting people. Brisbane is Brisbane,
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  Speaker 4: Darwin is Darwin, and Wogga Wogger is Wogga Wogger and
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  Speaker 4: Dabbo is Dabbo.
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  Speaker 5: We know already that out of the four million place
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  Speaker 5: names across Australia, about seventy five percent of them from
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  Speaker 5: indigenous names, whether it's war Wagga Wogga or Ballarat or
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  Speaker 5: Barangaroo or ben Along or Crinolla or Kulji. So the
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  Speaker 5: dual names just doesn't make sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: Seventy five percent out of four million place names in
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  Speaker 2: Australia are already indigenous kel how many.
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  Speaker 1: More do we need exactly?
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  Speaker 6: And Ben knew that because I told him on an
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  Speaker 6: earlier broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: He rang me up on lake.
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  Speaker 6: He tried to change the name of Cook's River to
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  Speaker 6: Gulay on the claim that that was the local indigenous name,
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  Speaker 6: And so we had to chat about this, and I said,
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  Speaker 6: there are already three million indigenous names on the map,
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  Speaker 6: so you don't know anymore. In other words, what they're
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  Speaker 6: doing is not adding extra indigenous names. They're trying to
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  Speaker 6: get rid of English names. It an entirely negative process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what we see in this graphic.
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  Speaker 1: What SBS is doing is breaking all the rules.
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  Speaker 6: Every state has got a geographical names board and they
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  Speaker 6: get together and they've all got the same sort of rules.
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  Speaker 6: One of the rules that the geographical names boards of
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  Speaker 6: the states have is you can add names, you can
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  Speaker 6: create what it's called double naming, but you can only
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  Speaker 6: do that with physical objects a mountain, a river, perhaps
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  Speaker 6: an island, not a populated area where people live. So
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  Speaker 6: trying to rename Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney is simply wrong.
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  Speaker 6: It breaks all those rules. The second thing is they
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  Speaker 6: don't replace the names, they give them double names. So
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  Speaker 6: in fact Ularu is actually called legally Ularou slash airs Rock,
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  Speaker 6: which is why the airport is still called airs Rock Airport,
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  Speaker 6: and why the resort is still called airs Rock Resort,
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  Speaker 6: because the real name of the place is Ularu airs Rock. Now,
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  Speaker 6: those are the rules. You can dual name some things,
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  Speaker 6: but only physical objects. And this idea that they can
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  Speaker 6: rename entire entire cities is simply against the rules. It's
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  Speaker 6: against the law. So some halfwit and I'm possibly overestimating
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  Speaker 6: the fraction in saying that some half with a SBS
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  Speaker 6: doesn't know what the rules are.
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  Speaker 1: They don't know what the how it all cames.
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  Speaker 6: It's just absolute not Since I've started a small organization
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  Speaker 6: called SOP pronounce soap, Save our place Names? Would you
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  Speaker 6: like to support it? All you need to do is
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  Speaker 6: be critical every time this rubbish comes up. Go to
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  Speaker 6: my website oswords dot com dot you, ozed words dot
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  Speaker 6: com dot a you go to the feedback page and
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  Speaker 6: send me a note saying kel I'm on side with soap.
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  Speaker 1: I want to save our place names.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've got to save the twenty five percent that
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  Speaker 2: we have left. But Joe, what is this really achieving?
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  Speaker 2: Four percent of the population is indigenous. How many of
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  Speaker 2: them are watching the SBS or are they simply trying
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  Speaker 2: to massage in indigenous dialects into the English speaking nation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm furious about this. In fact, I've started my
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  Speaker 3: own sportrad like cal which is God, I'm majorly peeved
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  Speaker 3: or give and if you'd like to go to our website.
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  Speaker 3: Don't gurgle it, by the way, just don't gurgle it.
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  Speaker 7: Oh my god, No, I was actually I was born
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  Speaker 7: heavily do not get born and.
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  Speaker 3: Raised in an Aboriginal place name Dandinong, which is at
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  Speaker 3: the local Aboriginal dialect for home of the handsome journalists. Right,
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  Speaker 3: And I do not say I love the fact that
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  Speaker 3: all our place names are a sort of pastiche of
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  Speaker 3: all these all these different cultures. I mean, our tallest
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  Speaker 3: mountain is Mount Kosiosco, named after some Polish dude. I
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  Speaker 3: bet you know the people that the cities that are
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  Speaker 3: Canberra is of course an Aboriginal name, so our capital
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  Speaker 3: city is named after it. So it's weird that they've
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  Speaker 3: changed the name.
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  Speaker 7: Of the Yeah, even doesn't Canbra another Aboriginal name.
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  Speaker 6: Well, what they've done is what they put on their
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  Speaker 6: map was the name of the tribe which is in Gambrie,
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  Speaker 6: and in Gambri it was anglicized to become Canberra. But
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  Speaker 6: you know, you don't need to change it back to
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  Speaker 6: the unanglicized version. Once a place is known and established,
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  Speaker 6: you don't fiddle with it. I don't know what sbeis
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  Speaker 6: is trying to achieve, except to seem as though we
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  Speaker 6: are more sensitive.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going far received. Yes, no, if
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  Speaker 3: they want to be truly committed do the entire bulletin
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  Speaker 3: an indigenous.
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  Speaker 7: Language, different dialog, that's right, different like there's been this,
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  Speaker 7: there's been this, like hunger games, deathmatch in each of
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  Speaker 7: these place names.
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  Speaker 3: Because of course most of the places like Sydney, which
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  Speaker 3: I thought was played of the aorination anyway, what would
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  Speaker 3: I know? Hast has got it is called Warrang and
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  Speaker 3: and then and there's in fact a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 3: different tribes, different people who all live in the Sydney
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  Speaker 3: but to give you a number, so they have to
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  Speaker 3: it's like survivor there is.
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  Speaker 6: Another name, and there's there's some people who will say
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  Speaker 6: Sidney should be called Aura, not Wrang. But nationally there
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  Speaker 6: were when when a settlers arrived and brought the place
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  Speaker 6: into the modern world in seventeen eighty eight, there were
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  Speaker 6: at least two hundred indigenous languages. That's possibly more than
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  Speaker 6: two hundred. So that it's not like New Zealand, where
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  Speaker 6: Mari is a language that covers most of the place.
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  Speaker 6: It's not like that there isn't one indigenous language, so
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  Speaker 6: it's impossible to start playing these games.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think that if they're truly committed to indigenous
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  Speaker 3: culture and indigeneity. They should do the entire news bulletin
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  Speaker 3: in all two hundred can do to commit, You've got
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  Speaker 3: to commit. You can't just be a little bit anti racist.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, there's still a lot of colonialism in that
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  Speaker 3: bulletin and we need to decolonize it. Decolonize it now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm over that seventy five percent. I'm like, how great
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  Speaker 2: are we? Next time a name changes, who comes up,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to be like, look, we've done seventy
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  Speaker 2: five percent out of four million name places. I think
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  Speaker 2: we're good.
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  Speaker 3: To the UK.
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  Speaker 2: Now, where the issue of marrying one's first cousin has
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  Speaker 2: been brought to light by an MP by the name
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  Speaker 2: of Richard Holden, which who is looking to ban the
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  Speaker 2: practice nation wide. He says first cousin marriage raises serious
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  Speaker 2: concerns both in the UK and globally. Studies show that
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  Speaker 2: it is associated with approximately double the rate of birth
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  Speaker 2: defects compared to the general population and can reinforce negative
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  Speaker 2: structures and control women. Building on my previous work to
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  Speaker 2: bear hymenoplasty for the uninitiated, that's a procedure which ensures
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  Speaker 2: a woman will bleed next time she's sexually active. So
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  Speaker 2: quite barbaric and so called virginity testing in the last parliament.
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  Speaker 3: They we're testing virginity in parliament. That's not appropriate, oh Jo,
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  Speaker 3: it's not the right. Find a private room or a
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  Speaker 3: booth or something. You can't just do it on the
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  Speaker 3: floor of the House of Commons.
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  Speaker 1: The love of God man.
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  Speaker 2: He says, I will urge the government to reconsider the
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  Speaker 2: legality of first cousin marriage in the UK. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: was of course objected to by others in the chamber.
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  Speaker 8: Could you marry your first cousin?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 8: I didn't even think it was allowed in this country.
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  Speaker 8: But a big debate in Parliament yesterday and a member
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  Speaker 8: of Parliament from a certain communities he got up and
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  Speaker 8: said that marrying first cousins strengthens family bonds. And if
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  Speaker 8: you look and our innocent is at the number of
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  Speaker 8: babies that are born with clef palettess and all sorts
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  Speaker 8: of disorders, because that is kind of breeding too close. Maybe,
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  Speaker 8: like me, you think it's a really bad idea and
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  Speaker 8: maybe we should say no, it's not legal.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe Nigel for Ourge objected to it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, who does indeed support it and believes it
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  Speaker 2: should be banned nationwide. Here's Ikbal Muhammad, the independent MP
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  Speaker 2: who took the stage on the floor of the House
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  Speaker 2: of Commons to object to this move.
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  Speaker 9: It is important to recognize for many people this is
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  Speaker 9: a highly sensitive issue and in discussing it we should
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  Speaker 9: try to step into the shoes of those who perhaps
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  Speaker 9: are not from the same culture as ours to better
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  Speaker 9: understand why the practice continues to be so widespread. An
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  Speaker 9: estimated thirty five to fifty percent of all sub Saharan
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  Speaker 9: African populations either prefer or accept cousin marriages, and it
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  Speaker 9: is extremely common in the Middle East. The reason the
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  Speaker 9: practice is so common is our ordinary people see family
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  Speaker 9: intermarriage overall as something that is very positive, something that
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  Speaker 9: helps build family bonds and helps put families on a
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  Speaker 9: more secure financial foothold.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but I dare say most of England does disagree
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  Speaker 2: with this practice and is very surprised to find out
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  Speaker 2: that it is so prevalent. The articles written on this
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  Speaker 2: today majored on a certain suburb in which amongst the
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  Speaker 2: Pakistani community was up to sixty percent of marriages were
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  Speaker 2: to first cousins and kel When you consider that this
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  Speaker 2: is in a country where the taxpayer are then fitting
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  Speaker 2: the bill for the various deformities as Farage talked about
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  Speaker 2: just there that kids are being born with. They talk
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  Speaker 2: about extreme inbreeding because of course, generation after generation, if
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  Speaker 2: this practice continues, things can get really, really difficult for
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  Speaker 2: their progeny.
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  Speaker 6: I checked it out on a biogenetics website and they
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  Speaker 6: said there are some deformities, so they mentioned things like
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  Speaker 6: cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, and some other things, but
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  Speaker 6: they didn't say it's not a reason not to marry.
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  Speaker 6: It was a reason for genetic testing and genetic counseling.
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  Speaker 6: Now that's what they were saying, and it's not against
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  Speaker 6: the law. In fact, what I did was I went
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  Speaker 6: to the back of the old Book of Common Prayer
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  Speaker 6: where there's a list of consanguinity, the people you're related.
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  Speaker 1: To you're not allowed to marry. And a man may
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  Speaker 1: not marry on that.
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  Speaker 6: List his mother, his daughter, his grandmother, his granddaughter, his sister,
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  Speaker 6: his niece's daughter in law, his mother in law, all
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  Speaker 6: his aunts. But cousins don't get a mention. And that's
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  Speaker 6: reflected in British law. It is not against the law
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  Speaker 6: in Britain at the moment. For first cousins.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually not against the law here.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, because it's great. I mean, come on, what
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  Speaker 3: are they going to do in Alabama? What are they
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  Speaker 3: going to do?
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  Speaker 2: Do' worry about Australia?
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  Speaker 1: What are they going to do in Springfield? Do you guys?
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  Speaker 3: Do you guys? You like your classical history?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Classical culture?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there was a lot of in reading and Hara, the.
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  Speaker 3: King and Queen of the gods were brother and sister.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, these are mythical characters.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Cleopatron Ptolemy the last Pharaoh, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't deny it was widely practiced in the past, but
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  Speaker 2: it became less and less prevalent. Why because people started
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  Speaker 2: to understand, Hang on a second, this has very real,
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  Speaker 2: uh world outcomes.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a lack of tolerance.
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  Speaker 2: Understand, generation after generation.
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  Speaker 3: I think about half the States of America, it's still
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  Speaker 3: legal and there's just been a division. And in fact,
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  Speaker 3: I've managed to obtain the actual footage of the found
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  Speaker 3: funding fathers discussing this very issue just a few generations
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  Speaker 3: ago in the United States of America.
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  Speaker 5: Have a look, we can worship freely, govern justly, and
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  Speaker 5: grow vast fields of hemp for making rope and blankets.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and marry our cousins. I was, what are you
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  Speaker 3: talking about, Shelby Bill.
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  Speaker 1: Why would we want to marry our cousins? Guys, they're
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  Speaker 1: so attractive.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was the whole point of this journey.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 10: I tell you, I won't live in a town that
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  Speaker 10: rubs men of the right to marry their cousins.
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  Speaker 3: So in closing, marry your cousins, it's the Australian thing today.
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  Speaker 2: Me I'm like, my cousins are literally like brothers. So
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  Speaker 2: the very idea is.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's all right.
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  Speaker 2: Just you know, Jack, Josh, if you're watching, we're safe, okay.
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  Speaker 6: Can I just tell you there's also there is no
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  Speaker 6: law requiring you to marry your cousin, so related no nobody.
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder what the women who are probably it's
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  Speaker 2: some sort of arranged I mean, are they actually choosing
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  Speaker 2: to marry their com I think.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot, certainly a lot of arranged marriages
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  Speaker 3: in Middle Eastern communities. But I think in the old days,
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  Speaker 3: the reason why the Totlemys did it in Egypt is
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  Speaker 3: because they felt it kept their bloodline pure and so
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  Speaker 3: you were even more of an alpha royal if you
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  Speaker 3: came solely from royal blood, which is a bit like
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  Speaker 3: the English.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just suggest we're not going to settle this.
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  Speaker 1: Let's turn it. Let's turn to another topic.
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  Speaker 6: Because the issue of what's happening to children who suffer
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  Speaker 6: from gender dysphoria, who are confused about who they are,
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  Speaker 6: boys who think they should be girls, girls who think
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  Speaker 6: they should be boys. How should they be treated In Australia,
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  Speaker 6: At the moment they get what is called gender affirmation treatment,
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  Speaker 6: that is, they affirm the gender dysphoria, they're offered puberty blockers.
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  Speaker 6: There are offered that kind of treatment and encouragement to
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  Speaker 6: pursuit go down that path. Interestingly, the UK has now
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  Speaker 6: come down firmly on the opposite side to where we
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  Speaker 6: are in Australia and puberty blockers are to be banned
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  Speaker 6: indefinitely for those under eighteen years. It seems to me
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  Speaker 6: is the key to this is children don't understand consequences.
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  Speaker 6: So a child really can't understand. Look, this might have
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  Speaker 6: these puberty blockers do have side effects to bone density
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  Speaker 6: and fertility and other things, but they don't understand. In
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  Speaker 6: ten years time, I might feel very differently, and all
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  Speaker 6: the statistics show that kids who suffer from gender dysphoria
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  Speaker 6: it usually passes over time. It does talking therapies might
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  Speaker 6: be a good idea. They can't make big decisions because
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  Speaker 6: they don't understand consequences.
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  Speaker 2: And because it's a psychological issue. A lot of the pediatricians,
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  Speaker 2: the child psychiatrists, psychologists who have tried to be the
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  Speaker 2: whistleblowers here and speak out. Obviously they've made great traction
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  Speaker 2: in the UK. They're saying this is a psychological issue.
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  Speaker 2: Let us help them on a clinical level instead of
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  Speaker 2: going down here's some pills path. That's not how you
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  Speaker 2: fix a psychological issue. We also know that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these kids have other issues going on with relation
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  Speaker 2: to their mental health. So that NHS England said that
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  Speaker 2: the indefinite band closes a loophole that posed a risk
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  Speaker 2: to the safety of children and young people through private provision.
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  Speaker 2: The ban applies to new patients only. That's an important
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  Speaker 2: point there with NHS and private patients already receiving these
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  Speaker 2: medicines for gender dysphoria will continue to have their access.
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  Speaker 2: It was Health Minister Where's Streeting who introduced this bill today.
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  Speaker 2: Amendment I should say saying we put an emergency stopper
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  Speaker 2: on these puberty blockers earlier this year after we found
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  Speaker 2: out the catastrophic findings of the CAST report. All I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you now is that that ban is now indefinitely
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  Speaker 2: in place. We are having a bigger inquiry into this,
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  Speaker 2: and that I think comes out in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: So he's promised them that. But here he was in
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  Speaker 2: question time after moving this motion in the House. He
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  Speaker 2: of course got absolutely beset upon for the better part
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  Speaker 2: of an hour with the opposition hammering him with questions.
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  Speaker 2: They're the usual suspects you can imagine, but he did
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: his best at holding his own.
• 18:22
  Speaker 11: I have to take decisions about the welfare, wellbeing and
• 18:28
  Speaker 11: safety of children in this country based on clinical evidence,
• 18:33
  Speaker 11: and when our own Commission on Human Medicines says that
• 18:36
  Speaker 11: there is an unacceptable safety risk and an unsafe prescribing environment,
• 18:43
  Speaker 11: I have to take that seriously. Anyone asks, you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 11: challenging me to do something else, to ask, quite sincerely,
• 18:51
  Speaker 11: if they were standing in my shoes as a Secretary
• 18:53
  Speaker 11: of State for Health and Social Care and they were
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: looking at recommendations from clinicians in our country and the
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: Commission on including the Commission on Human Medicines saying there
• 19:04
  Speaker 11: is insufficient evidence for use of medication in children young
• 19:07
  Speaker 11: people for this purpose and that there is an unacceptable
• 19:10
  Speaker 11: safety risk arising from the current prescribing environment. I asked them,
• 19:15
  Speaker 11: would they really be taking a different decision here?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Here?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Listen to the clinician's Joe, what a great likely Hanson
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: has dried five times just to get an inquiry into
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: what's going on with regard to gender affirming care for
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: children in Australia to no avail.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the problem here is that you have
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: an issue which has got a huge amount of awareness
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: about it, very very suddenly and disproportionately I think, to
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the number of people who actually undergo it, and that
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: this has led to I think what Richard Dawkins called
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: the possibility of contagion, which is that it becomes a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: kind of fad, and so people say, all right, oh,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: there's this new thing called gender, it's for it. Oh
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I've got it. Oh maybe I'm gender fluid. And you
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: can you can actually see it. You can see it
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: just walking down the street. You can see the number
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: of people who are dressing androgynously is far far higher
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: than it has been now. In many ways, this is
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: just sort of harmless, and it's just another thing that
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: you know, like wearing flares in the sixties or whatever.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: The problem is when you when you get it's harmless,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: when you then people just dressing differently or whatever. But
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the point is, once you have medical interventions that could
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: actually for the very small amount of people who genuinely
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: know that they are in the wrong body, I imagine
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: that that would in fact be extremely helpful to them
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and save them from a much longer lifetime of trauma.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: The problem is you've got a risk of over prescribing
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: things and using that as the first port of call
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: instead of you know, I suppose troubleshooting for everything else,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: including possibly autism and other mental conditions that genderdics for.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: It might be sort of cloaking, yes and so and so.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I think this is where a lot of the people
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: who jump up and down about it and activists in
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: this area actually do themselves a huge disservice because by saying,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: oh my god, it's everywhere, you know, and you haven't
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: been paying attention, but it's been here all along, and
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: look here it is, and everyone's doing it, and you
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: can't touch anything, you can't do anything. You do end
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: up running the risk of people who get swept up
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: in this thing going for these treatments later regretting it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: They then talk to bodies and experts like the cast review,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: and indeed experts see them and say, oh my god,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: these people are getting changed into something that they are
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: not and didn't actually want to be and able to
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: make a decision, and this is terrible, and now we've
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: got to shut everything down out of an abundance of caution,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: which means that the small minority of people who could
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: actually really benefit from these treatments that weren't available to
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: some of the pioneers in this area, people like Carlotta
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: or Catherine McGregor, I'm sure would have loved.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: This is only up until you're eighteen. At eighteen, they
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: can make a decision. This is a children don't develop children,
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: that's right, But the point of them is that you
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: don't develop as a man if you're actually a woman.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: That's why the pubrey is they can't make.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: But it's this going part of this is the you
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: mentioned contagion. When you look at the numbers, this is
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: just absolutely skyrocketed in recent years. Check out this graph
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: from the UK published in April of this year, illustrating
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: just the absolute explosion in number of children who now
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: think they are trans Can we get that graphic up
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: on the screen? There we go? I mean, this is
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: just incredible, and that's just the last few years. It
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: is unthinkable to know that just a matter of years
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: ago a handful of children were presenting with gender dysphoria
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: as opposed to today similar situation in the States. They
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: put out this graph earlier this year saying we gender
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: dysphoria diagnoses among children have spiked one hundred and thirty
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: three percent since two thousand and nineteen. How on earth
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: is this happening? Which speaks to the fact this is
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: introduced thought very few children. I don't know about you,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: but it was certainly the last thing on my mind.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Very few children thinking about what gender am I? And
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: am I comfortable in this body? This is something that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I'm particularly passionate about, kel because when I was younger,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I grew up in country of viol I was a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: massive tomboy, a massive tomboy, and if someone had come
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: along to me and planted in my moldable little mind that. Oh,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: have you thought about the fact that maybe you're a boy?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I think I would have genuinely potentially latched onto that
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and entertained it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: On my radio show interview to psychologist who said that
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: an American psychologists were saying that the frightening thing is
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: it goes through schools, through a school community, particularly of
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: young girls, suddenly a whole lot of them their gender dysphoric.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Now that's not a problem they've really got. That's a
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: social problem that's been introduced. As you say, there are
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: some health issues which are genuine health issues and we
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: need to address those. And let me tell you, being
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: overweight or obese is a genuine health issue.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: It shortens people's lifespan.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: And we're now being told that being overweight is the
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: number one health risk Australians are now facing. It used
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: to be smoking, but now it's being overweight. There is
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: a graph which has come out and the graph shows.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: That that's the big issue.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: Right at the top of the graph, the biggest issue,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: the biggest risk that you're facing. The longest red bar
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: that you can see on your screen says it is
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: being overweight or being obese, which is the biggest health
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: risk that you can suffer. It's not just the fact
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: that your life may end up being shorter, but you
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: will suffer a whole lot of health issues because of it,
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: because you care. I mean, even simple things. The mechanics
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: of your knees and legs start to play up and
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: give you problems that if you were the right weight
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: simply wouldn't happen. Being over weight is now the top
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: risk for Australians when it comes to health, a smoking
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: race of decline, which they have done significantly, and that
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: is brilliant. I don't understand why people don't get the message.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, I would like to say sometimes to someone
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: who is clearly bulging at every corner, do you really
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: want to eat that hamburger?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Or would you like to live longer?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I really want to I can just there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Let's charge it slaps.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: As someone who smoke for twenty five years, I'd like
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: to thank big boned Australians for finally taking up the
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: mantle and stopping us from being in the country. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: don't spoke anymore, but I managed to quit via vaping,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and the couple tried to make that illegal as well.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I know it's all right, you know, I'll miss them,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: but I'll live ten years longer, so that will be
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: nice work thanks of vapor.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I don't know, as in like, did it
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: work getting you off the vape in Doubleman's new measures.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, they're still they're still They're still legal, so I'll
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: tell you. But this is how regulation works, right, So
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: the vaping industry is like, oh my god, the government's
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: going to shut us down. Oh my god, quick buy
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: a lifetime supply of everything before they shut it down.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: They were. And then the government shuts down and says,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: right from now on, no more vaping from you know, others,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: from just regular stores. You can only buy it from
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the pharmacy. You can only buy it from a chemist.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Seen people just walk, of course they do. And and anyway,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: and the website that I previously used to buy it
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: from said, I'm sorry, we are now shut down. However,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: you can go to this online pharmacy that just up
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: here in one second ago and get the exact same
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: stuff out of Tireland. And that's all the jit And
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: they have people who have pharmacists there you put in
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: your thing. They have a doctor who will give me
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: a skip and everything. So there you go. So I'm
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: still alive.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: But nothing's really changed Australia.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: What has changed is that I haven't touched a cigarette
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: since I was forty and according to a public health
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: expert and smoke smoking cessation expert, I will now live
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: another ten years.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And you're not overweight. You're not overweight, and.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I am not overweight. I tell you absolutely no truck
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: with people who shame people for their vices. I think
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: everyone has vices. And the minute you say, oh no,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you're a burden on society because you do this thing,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: there will be one hundred other things that someone could
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: turn around and point at you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And say, well, you're shaming people.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Help it called the disease burden is a very real thing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Of course it's of course it's society.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: The paper has a lot more money.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Absolutely true. You know who they are, old people, old
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: people know they absolutely do you want to go you
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: want to go down this path? You want to go
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: down this path?
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: No, people not like people are living, People are living longer,
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: living longer, and ninety percent of the health budget goes
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: towards the last ten years of a person's life.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: These people are such burdens on society.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: Can I rupt to the topic of it's a bit
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: boring until you're talking about being overweight, not about your
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: particular but just saying, oh, stop being fat.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work well.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Otherwise, Well, let's say there are things that people can
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: do about their weight. It is actually it's within your
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: what's in the capacity of most people to do something
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: about their weight if they make the decision to do so.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: So let's to actually your legs off, well, eat a
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: little bit less. That's not a bad idea, is it?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Is that too simple?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: It is too simple because it misunderstands the reason why
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: people are overweight in the first place. Overwhelmingly corresponds to
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: being poor and not having access or the amount of
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: money to be able to pay for healthy stuff or
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the amount of time to be able to prepare it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Healthy stuff is a lot more expense franking food, which
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: else supermarkets are riddled with. It's cheap as chips, baby,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You go to the fresh food section more than a
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: dollar and apple these days, No, Joe, that's right. It
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: is utterly, hugely.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Higher in poorer areas. So if you're picking on fat people,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: you're picking on.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Pay that point. But this is advice coming from a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: man who eats fast food every single day and thanks
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: to his magic metabolism, manages to stay slim. So really,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you're a fat person in a skinny person's body.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: That is exactly right. I had, I've got a very
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: fast I had McDonald's tonight with a side of McNuggets.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: But you know, people do as I say, not as.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I do every other night.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: He's throwing it back, speaking of skinny people. More. Redeeming
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: has won her again, as.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: There's a segue flawless Joe, Joe, I suggest we rewind
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: the type and you do that on again.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, rewind rewind speaking good looking people suing short people.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Boy Redeeming has just won her legal action against John
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Pursudo In case you haven't been paying attention today, because
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: has been absolutely everywhere marvelous. Moya Danielhill, of course, was
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: the former Liberal MP. She was out a women's rights
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: rally which was gate crashed by a bunch of neo Nazis.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Why started saying all sorts of stupid stuff. Naturally, John
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Persudo the leader of the Victorian Liberal Party, which at
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: the moment is not a job you would wish on
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: your worst enemy. These guys are amazing every time they
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: start getting your head in the piles again. Quick, guys,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: let's destroy ourselves. But he thought, he panicked and thought,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: oh my god, we've we've got to read the Riot
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Act and tell her Rafe and say, oh, you've been
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: hanging out with the Nazis. Bah he says, Dad, what
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: are you talking about? I don't have associate now. These
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: thugs just rocked up at this Ralio. I was. Anyway,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: here is Moya redeeming on Credline earlier this evening talking
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: about her big win in the courts after she sued him.
• 30:56
  Speaker 12: Could spend a traumatic two years, and I couldn't help
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: but think, you know, this has just been a sham expulsion,
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: a sham termination. It's done so much damage and for
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: what it was obviously all not true.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Now this comes after revelations that Moira Deeming actually offered
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to sit down and reach a settlement with John Pisuto.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: She was trying to strike a deal which wouldena able
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: to allow in the party room. And then even when
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: that fell through, maybe he could just you know, I've
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: paid out some money or given an apology is what
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: she wanted. We all know from watching the Fonds that
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: it's very very hard to say you're sorry, and John Pursuito,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't do it. Now some people are now
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: saying his position is absolutely untenable as lead up. Far
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: be from me to do so. But John Pisuto, he says, no,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I'm a fighter. I'm going to hang in there. Have
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: a look.
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: And I've always been a fighter, and I've always been
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: a fighter for the right reasons and for the right people,
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: the Victorian people. And that's why I will continue in
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: this role now more than ever, when it is so
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: clear on so many indicators that our state is headed
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: in the wrong direction, that we need leaders who have
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: that fight in them, leaders who will stand up and
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: be accountable and always put the interest of our state first.
• 32:14
  Speaker 13: That's why I will continue in this role.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And it is certainly true that the state is absolutely
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: heading in the basket right correctly the wrong direction. It
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: is an absolute basket case. It is a broken state.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: And one of the reasons it's been able to become
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: that is because Labour have been able to hang on
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: so long because they have not had a viable opposition
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: who's been able to take the fight to them instead
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: of just fighting amongst themselves.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I love that is now making out like I'm under fire,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: but I'm a fighter and I'm going to keep my job.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Spare thought for everyone watching going, We don't want you
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: to keep your job. You've besmirched the name of an
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: innocent woman. The judge found that there was no grounds.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: There never was any grounds for your ridiculous accusations. Nobody
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: would accuse you of being intimately familiar with someone who
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: gate crashed your party, especially if they're neo Nazis. What
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: this man did was patently absurd, and I am so
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: happy for Deeming, who finally got her day in court,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: and let's laugh all the way to the bank along
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: with John Persudo, because she would have settled for ninety
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars now instead he's got to give her a
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: payout of three hundred thousand dollars. And that's to say
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: nothing of legal fees, which were being told are estimated
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: up to one point five million just for Deeming alone. So,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: if anything, this guy needs a new job because the
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: one he's got at the moment doesn't pay enough. You're
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: going to be paying that off forever, buddy. But quickly
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: before we leave you to the UK, where you've heard
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: about these farmers. They are up in arms over this
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: ridiculous inheritance tax the government is trying to foist upon them,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: which will do many of them out of business. They'll
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: simply have to shut up shop and go back to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: goodness knows, what what do you do after generations of
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: being farmers on the land. Well, today they shut down Whitehall.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: They literally blocked it with tractors. Check out this graphic
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of how many tractors are on the street. That is incredible.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Good on them, I dare say this is the kind
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of action we're going to need kell when these our
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: own farmers are under pressure from the government. The government
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: wants to snaffle upland to run lines for their green
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: dreams through the land. They're also demonizing farmers in many
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: other ways. This is the kind of action that we need.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: The farmers in the Netherlands are protested about the rules
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Big Vinment pard me to their farms. In England, what
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: they're doing is they're saying if the farmers valued at
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: more than one pounds, then when there's a death, you'll
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: play twenty percent. That's a massive ridiculous on the value
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: of the farm. The problem is they didn't pay for it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: They didn't pay a million pounds. They inherited it. These
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: are family farms. You get a million pound because it's
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: a big piece of property. Because there's a lot of land,
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: it's easy to put a land price of a million
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: pounds on it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Suddenly Dad dies and you've got to pay twenty Well.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: You're going to get twenty percent of that team. It's
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: just so, it is really unfair. It's unreasonable.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Clarkson, the most famous farmer in Britain. Now he
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. He drives a Lamb Borghini.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: Tractor, which I think is absolutely what but he didn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: break his tractor. He's fighting against this. Mind you, the
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: left hate Jeremy Clarkson. He is the man who said
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: I don't have a carbon footprint.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I drive everywhere.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I just think it's great. I just look at all
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: those tractors and it looks like they're leaving the government behind.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: And I would have to say, you know, instead of
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: sending the government a dear John letter, they're sending it
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: a John dear letter.
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  Speaker 2: And on that note, got to go to an ad break.
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  Speaker 2: But we will be back shortly and you will find
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: out what is nuclear going to cost the nation. Dutton's
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  Speaker 2: finally revealed it. To see Zoo, welcome back. We're about
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to bring you the final figure. Dunton has revealed it.
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  Speaker 2: How much is nuclear energy going to cost Australia? Joe
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  Speaker 2: Hildebrand the.
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  Speaker 3: Day here with all the latest details. Yes here, it
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  Speaker 3: is all over the front page of the mighty Daily Telegraph.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: And look at that bit of artwork, will you? That
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: is Peter Dutton as a nuclear reactor. That is, if
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't win the Archibald Portrait Prize next year.
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  Speaker 2: I do not know what we I'm sure it's in
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  Speaker 2: the running.
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  Speaker 3: Fission for votes, get it, fission for votes. Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 3: claims his bold plan to add nuclear energy to the
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  Speaker 3: grid would be a quarter of a trillion dollars cheaper
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: than Labor's renewables, heavy strategy and long awaited costings. Finally
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: released it. I believe they did say they were going
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  Speaker 3: to release them until Christmas, and they have come good
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  Speaker 3: on that promise. Three hundred and thirty one billion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: That is almost time change high as John Persudo's Lego Bill.
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  Speaker 2: It's fucking changed compared to what this government is prepared
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  Speaker 2: to spend on their green dream. As he points now,
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  Speaker 2: in an order of a.
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  Speaker 3: Trillion dollars cheap. This is done's own costs. These are
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  Speaker 3: the costings that the coalition itself has put together and
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  Speaker 3: put out as opposed to the costings that Labor you
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  Speaker 3: saying they're lying about the cost What I'm saying is
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  Speaker 3: that you can get modeling on costings that will show
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  Speaker 3: pretty much anything you want, and you can always pick
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  Speaker 3: a hole in them. So Labor says that it's thing
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  Speaker 3: is actually much much, it's cheaper. And then the coalition
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: goes in commissions Frontier Economics and says, all right, you
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  Speaker 3: do some costings and tell us how much it's really
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  Speaker 3: going to cost. Get it, get it, get it in
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: front of you. He goes, okay, nowhere's thanks, and comes
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  Speaker 3: back with this huge figure. And then of course Labor
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  Speaker 3: will go and get their own modelers to cost understand
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  Speaker 3: how it will come back and say it actually costs
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  Speaker 3: one true, you know, yeah, the people.
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  Speaker 2: Paying for the research get the results.
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  Speaker 3: I can promise you this one though. I mean it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: not you know, they do it in proper work. But
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: it's all about the inputs you put into. But you can,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you know, because so level. G Oh, but what about
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: all the the I don't know, whatever the land acquisition costs,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: or the long tail you know, disposing of the waste
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  Speaker 3: costs or whatever. So just just put in all these inputs,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: just put everything, everything in, and you get a higher
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  Speaker 3: and higher number. I can promise you, absolutely promise you
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  Speaker 3: that both schemes will cost a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 3: more than whatever they're saying they're going to cost right
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  Speaker 3: now anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but it is in their best interest scale to
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: try and get it somewhere near reality. Otherwise then years
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: later they get lumped with massive cost.
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  Speaker 10: Blowouts that hits the headline.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know. But what we do know
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to be true is both very expensive. But with nuclear
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: we know that it is the gold stand and of energy.
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  Speaker 2: We know that it is emissions free, We know that
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  Speaker 2: it is reliable, une renewable.
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  Speaker 6: In costing terms, the life of a nuclear reactor is
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: minimum eighty years, where you get twenty for a solar
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  Speaker 6: farm or a wind farm.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And it works on the current grid.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: You don't need to rebuild the entire grid at a
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  Speaker 6: cost of whatever it is, fifteen billion dollars or something
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  Speaker 6: at the moment. So when you take those factors into account,
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: the fact that you have to rich Not only do
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: you have to rebuild and replace every solar farm and
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: every wind farm every twenty years, you've got to work
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: out how to dispose of all the solar stuff, all
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: the wind towers when you knock them down and build
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  Speaker 6: new ones. Once you've got the nuclear power stations up,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: you've got at least eighty years and possibly more. And
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: you work on the grid. You just pump the power
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  Speaker 6: into the grid that's there. You don't need to resume land.
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  Speaker 6: You don't need to spend billions of dollars rebuilding the grid.
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  Speaker 1: So it makes sense.
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  Speaker 6: That it would be a little bit cheaper, and it
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  Speaker 6: looks like it will be.
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  Speaker 2: And we're sitting on a third of the world's uranium
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: right here in Australia. So let's burn it. Baby Burnitt
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: to the front page of the Canberra Times now aps
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: culture shock. This is absolutely hilarious. A government agency that
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: once sought to improve mental health outcomes for Australians had
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the worst culture in the federal bureaucracy in twenty twenty four,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: with under a third of staff recommending it as a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: good place to work. The camera Times analysis of staff
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  Speaker 2: survey results for one hundred and five agencies found staff
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  Speaker 2: rated the National Mental Health Commission as the worst place
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to work in the Australian public service for a second
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: year in a row.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's possibly because workers at the National
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Mental Health Commission might be slightly over sensitive to.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Mental health saying, are you saying they're all mental?
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Imagine well, imagine you know, commissioning a survey about levels
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: of sexual harassment the National Sexual Harassment Awareness Agency. Like
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: everyone's going, oh, yes, that's right. Someone looked at me
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: in an overly unwelcomely lingering fashion. Therefore, yeah, I.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Just think that is so you think it's it's an oversense.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Necessarily, theoretically, if you're really aware of mental health, you
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: should actually be protective and sensitive towards other people.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I think the opposite to Joe. So, in fact, to defend.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: His mate, they labor government, so allowed to take it
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: with a pincher.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: He has a license up, he has a license to
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: do that. Let me take it to the national broad scheet.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: The Australian. There are a couple of stories of the
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: front player of Tomorrow's Australian Worth looking at the alps
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: at Odds were the experts over childcare costumes. It says
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Labour's estimated cost of abolishing the activity test for three
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: days of free childcare has left economists quote puzzled by
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: the discrepancies with modeling in the Productivity Commission, raising concerns
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: of a multi billion dollar budget black hole in the
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: government's costings. The difference in costings is the Productivity Commission
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: thinks it will cost one point seven billion dollars. The
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: government is saying, no, no, it will only cost two
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: or four hundred and twenty seven million dollars. They've got
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: different numbers and the economists so we're not too sure
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: where they got them from.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: This is what you were talking about, isn't it, Joe.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: It just depends what your inputs are.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: So tell me how much this will cost, Tell me
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: what I want to hear. And then their researchers are like,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: this is how much it'll cost. Meanwhile, the Productivity Commission
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: is like, where the heck did you get those figures?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: We said it will cost more than three times how much?
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the government might come back to them, well
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: that's because we haven't included this, this or that or
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: that's because that's but again, it's not even necessarily dishonest
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: or anything. It is simply you were skewing the numbers. Well,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: you know they're saying there are lies down lice and statistics.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Where do you think it comes from? This is? This
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: is or you know, everyone knows that you can make
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: numbers look like you want them to look, simply and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: it's not necessarily a lie. Says, it's not a lie
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: if you believe it.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But why would the.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Product Do you think anyone believes it anymore?
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: Why would the Productivity Commission want to make the number
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: look unusually high? You've got to say the government's got
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: a vested interest in making it look low. The Productivity
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: Commission has no vested interest. We'll trust them. There's one
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: other story on the front page of Tomorrow's Australian which
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: I think is worth a quick look at. This comes
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: from Other Springs and we know about the problems they
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: have there. The story tells us the two teenage boys
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: who are allegedly broke into a home in Other Springs
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: and struck a woman with a detachable metal freezer handle
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: so hard that it rebounded and hit a two month
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: old baby, causing a brain bleed in a fractured's color.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible story.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: They had collectively been charged with almost three hundred other
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: offenses and bailed thirty five times.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Something is not working there, is it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: No, it's absolutely if they're out on bail, I'm serious
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: about fixing it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ridiculous. Tell you what's a good news story? Though,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: And the TiSER, the mighty Adelaide Advertiser elbows Meta ultimatum
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: you will pay. Meta will have to pay Australian publishers
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: like News Corp, the publisher of the Adelaide Advertiser, and
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: my employer in about eight different ways. And of course
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the owner of Sky News Metal will have to pay
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Australian publishers for news or risk significant tax chargers. Good
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: on the albow. The tax regulation would apply to social
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: media and search giants that earn more than two hundred
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars a year, including Byteedance. That's TikTok,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: the owner of TikTok, Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: and Alphabet which owns Google. And of course this comes
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: after all the social media giants agreed to pay the
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: people who actually produce all the content that keeps people
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: coming to their site like news Stories, agreed to pay
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: us and then they sort of just went, ah, no, actually,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: f you, we won't pay you anymore. And now obviously
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: our comany news corpus set absolutely this is absolutely disgraceful.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: And Albo said, if you've just refused to pay it
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: because that, we're just going on make us pay it,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: make us pay it. We'll smash you with taxes until
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you do only tax hike I've ever been in favor of.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: All Right, coming up next Trump is Times Man of
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  Speaker 6: They're very funny and very clever. Actually on the front
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  Speaker 6: trust That's what they say. And they go on in
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  Speaker 6: the article to say that in France, a la hu
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  Speaker 6: akbar has also become the common greeting and has replaced
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  Speaker 6: we we more freyre So it's being silly. You don't
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  Speaker 6: fact check satirical sites. They don't have facts, they've got jokes.
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  Speaker 6: So there's a department of royters called we don't get
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  Speaker 3: Well, they actually, I think they do provide a very
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  Speaker 3: helpful services to curtail misinformation. In fact Ryders has also
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  Speaker 3: all men with shovels in their head are called Doug.
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  Speaker 1: Can we just go to the baker, come on with
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  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: We didn't need to know that. Tomorrow our time, So
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Thursday American Talk. Tomorrow at that time, Time magazine will
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: announce it's Person of the Year, and it will once
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: again for the second time, be Donald Trump, which they
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: could hardly avoid seeing he'd won a landslide.
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  Speaker 1: Victory this year.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: He had the title in twenty sixteen, gets it again tomorrow.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: But can I say, Time magazine is not famous as
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: being a Trump supporter, so he gets the title through
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  Speaker 6: gritted teeth.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine that they're very sorry about this. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: wonder who gets to vote? Is it not your own people?
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: You clearly let that one get through the get through
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the ranks. I understand it was Zelensky last year.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Trump twice greatest comeback in history and again
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: yeah heah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a wrap from US this evening, but stay
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: tuned for the reader Pannicky Show