Latest / Nashville Movie Dispatch / Ep. 82: Drinking With... Crash
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- 0:12Speaker 1: The Sobrose Network presents the Movie podcast, breaking down films
- 0:17Speaker 1: and their impact on pop culture as they approach the
- 0:20Speaker 1: legal drinking age.
- 0:25Speaker 2: This is Drinking With.
- 0:29Speaker 1: Now here's your host, Steven m cash.
- 0:34Speaker 3: Welcome to Drinking With, the podcast where we raise the
- 0:37Speaker 3: glass of the movies that reached the legal drinking age.
- 0:39Speaker 3: I'm your host, Stephen mccash with a Sobros Network, and
- 0:42Speaker 3: join me as we embark on a cinematic journey through
- 0:44Speaker 3: the classics of yesteryear, celebrating their twenty first birthdays in style.
- 0:49Speaker 3: From iconic blockbusters to hitting gems, Each episode will toast
- 0:52Speaker 3: to a different film that has stood the test of
- 0:54Speaker 3: time and shared our cultural landscape. So grab your favorite
- 0:57Speaker 3: beverage or the one we've curated for this episode. Let's
- 1:00Speaker 3: deep dive into the nostalgia as we explore movies that
- 1:03Speaker 3: are finally old enough to join us for a drink.
- 1:05Speaker 3: Now joining me? Excuse me, I've had one too many
- 1:08Speaker 3: already to start the day off. Joining me at the
- 1:10Speaker 3: bar as always, are the two best people I can
- 1:13Speaker 3: think of to stumble out of the bar after a
- 1:15Speaker 3: long discussion of movies versus the resident film critic of
- 1:18Speaker 3: the Sobros Network, mister Brandon Vick, who is also a
- 1:21Speaker 3: board member of the Excuse Me, a member of the
- 1:23Speaker 3: Southeastern Film Critics Association, a board member of the Music
- 1:26Speaker 3: City Films Critics Association, and most importantly the birth giver
- 1:30Speaker 3: of the vix Flicks and Cinema Chronicles podcast that you
- 1:32Speaker 3: can hear wherever you get your podcasts from, and joining
- 1:36Speaker 3: him as always as the man behind the Sobros Network,
- 1:39Speaker 3: the man, the myth, the legend, the eiic, the glue
- 1:42Speaker 3: of the brand. A Jenna Fishonado cat lover all around
- 1:45Speaker 3: football wordsmith, and a member a budding star if you will.
- 1:49Speaker 3: At one to four point five the Zone, mister Stony Keeley, gentlemen,
- 1:53Speaker 3: Happy New.
- 1:54Speaker 2: Year, Happy New Year, mccash, what an intro. I feel
- 1:58Speaker 2: like I alway always feel like we are standing in
- 2:01Speaker 2: the middle of the ring ready for a title fight,
- 2:04Speaker 2: and mcash is given the rundown of all of our accomplishments.
- 2:08Speaker 4: I like to think that my pyro is going off, ye.
- 2:13Speaker 3: And your pants as Yeah.
- 2:16Speaker 2: Most pyro does go off when the ring announcers are
- 2:19Speaker 2: announcing the contestants.
- 2:21Speaker 4: Yeah, where they can't hear you because.
- 2:23Speaker 3: It's just a lot like our friend Jesse Butler, I too,
- 2:27Speaker 3: am retired from ring announcing.
- 2:29Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you you've definitely got the You've got
- 2:34Speaker 2: the chops for it, at least on this show, gotcha.
- 2:39Speaker 3: I get paid handsomely for it on this show too.
- 2:45Speaker 3: So we haven't a good new year so far before
- 2:47Speaker 3: we deep dive into this family friendly film.
- 2:50Speaker 2: Yeah, I family friendly. It is a very uplifting way
- 2:55Speaker 2: to ring in a new year and a new season
- 2:57Speaker 2: on Dream.
- 2:58Speaker 4: So I think it's very fitting. Yeah, as I look outside,
- 3:01Speaker 4: it's not because the fireworks, but stuff's on fire. It's
- 3:05Speaker 4: been dark since I don't know, November.
- 3:09Speaker 3: Twenty fourteen, Yeah, twenty sixteen.
- 3:11Speaker 2: Yeah, I want you to know. Mcash Brandon called me
- 3:15Speaker 2: after he rewatched this and gave me one of the
- 3:18Speaker 2: darkest thoughts I think I've ever heard in preparation for
- 3:21Speaker 2: this show. It's like, I think it's sad that twenty
- 3:24Speaker 2: one years have passed and all of this stuff is
- 3:27Speaker 2: still going on pretty.
- 3:28Speaker 3: Much so relevant.
- 3:30Speaker 2: It's still relevant today.
- 3:31Speaker 4: I think of this later, I think this I was thinking.
- 3:34Speaker 4: I think the scariest part is I have a feeling
- 3:37Speaker 4: probably watching this twenty one years ago is real, Like, oh, man,
- 3:41Speaker 4: Like now, I think watching it now, it's like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 3:46Speaker 4: yeahow no oh they oh yeah, yep, fine, in the news,
- 3:51Speaker 4: in the news, in the news.
- 3:54Speaker 3: I honestly, after about half an hour in I was like,
- 3:56Speaker 3: is this a documentary?
- 3:57Speaker 4: I'm watching right right with a wonderful Matt Dylan.
- 4:01Speaker 2: Matt Dylan is is crazy good in this.
- 4:05Speaker 4: This made me miss him. I know, I haven't apparently
- 4:07Speaker 4: he has been working. I just haven't really seen anything since.
- 4:11Speaker 2: But he was not.
- 4:12Speaker 3: I've seen more of it. Yeah, I've seen more of
- 4:15Speaker 3: his brother than I have him in the last twenty
- 4:17Speaker 3: one years.
- 4:18Speaker 4: That's true, Kevin, and I think it's because of entourage.
- 4:21Speaker 3: It's exactly because of Yeah.
- 4:24Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that. The one thing that I
- 4:27Speaker 2: want to say to before I forget to lead us
- 4:31Speaker 2: off the controversial thing about Crash the Best Picture winner, which, hey,
- 4:36Speaker 2: we're continuing the tradition of kicking off a new season
- 4:40Speaker 2: with a with an Awards player. I do think, after
- 4:44Speaker 2: rewatching this and having seen broke Back Mountain for the
- 4:48Speaker 2: first time, that broke Back Mountain should have won the Oscar. Yeah.
- 4:51Speaker 3: A lot of people agree with you. Yeah, And we'll
- 4:53Speaker 3: get into.
- 4:54Speaker 2: That oh it's in your notes.
- 4:55Speaker 3: Okay, very well, Yeah, and Crash if you haven't figured
- 4:59Speaker 3: out that's we're talking about today. Crash explores the interconnected
- 5:03Speaker 3: lives of strangers in Los Angeles over a thirty six
- 5:06Speaker 3: hour period. The film delves into themes of race, prejudice, fear,
- 5:10Speaker 3: and empathy, showing how people from different backgrounds collide, sometimes literally,
- 5:15Speaker 3: and how those encounters exposed their assumptions, biases, and humanity. Now.
- 5:22Speaker 3: Crash was directed by Paul Hags, who I don't think
- 5:25Speaker 3: has really done anything directing wise, really since this big
- 5:29Speaker 3: big Wise.
- 5:30Speaker 2: I could be wrong, that's a you question. Yeah, not
- 5:35Speaker 2: a whole lot.
- 5:36Speaker 4: But he has been in He's gotten into some trouble.
- 5:39Speaker 3: Oh really, I did not catch that in my notes.
- 5:41Speaker 4: Sexual assault stuff that I think has now been settled.
- 5:45Speaker 4: But yeah, he got He was in trouble for a
- 5:48Speaker 4: while towards the last I'd say, at least a few years.
- 5:52Speaker 2: The last film he directed was a documentary titled five
- 5:55Speaker 2: B and that was twenty eighteen, which was about when Yeah,
- 5:59Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen was when all the sexual assault allegations
- 6:02Speaker 2: came out.
- 6:03Speaker 3: So he gone, yep, somebody somebody got me too.
- 6:07Speaker 4: Well, wait a minute, don't don't count him out just yet.
- 6:10Speaker 4: He could be back in no time. Everybody else is
- 6:14Speaker 4: Kevin Spacey's making a comeback?
- 6:16Speaker 3: Are we are? We gonna get crashed to crash harder? Oh?
- 6:20Speaker 4: I hope, so, I hope. So bring back Matt Dillon.
- 6:24Speaker 3: There you go. Well. He was directed by Paul Hags.
- 6:26Speaker 3: Like I said, it was also written by Paul Hags,
- 6:28Speaker 3: who did last year's Oscar winning film Million Dollar Baby.
- 6:34Speaker 3: He wrote that as well, and it also made him
- 6:36Speaker 3: the only screenplay writer to win back to back Oscars
- 6:40Speaker 3: for writing.
- 6:41Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, that that feels like.
- 6:44Speaker 4: We should forgive him.
- 6:46Speaker 3: Know that no all's forgiving.
- 6:49Speaker 4: Yeah? Well that actually that means his personal shit aside.
- 6:53Speaker 4: That is quite an accomplishment and also what a what
- 6:56Speaker 4: two films to be attached to.
- 6:59Speaker 3: Yes, especially yeah, the film also stars We're Gonna do this,
- 7:05Speaker 3: We're gonna power. I mean a couple of people up,
- 7:08Speaker 3: Sandra Bullock and Brendan Fraser, who are a husband and
- 7:10Speaker 3: wife in the in the show, in the movie don
- 7:13Speaker 3: Cheatle and Jennifer es Posito, who I'd forgotten all about.
- 7:16Speaker 3: Jennifer Esposito and when he showed up, I was like,
- 7:19Speaker 3: hey girl, where you be? Uh? They are partners on
- 7:24Speaker 3: the police Force. And then you have Terrence Howard and
- 7:27Speaker 3: Tandy Newton, who were I guess their husband and wife.
- 7:30Speaker 3: I don't know if it was ever, Oh it was yeah.
- 7:34Speaker 4: Uh.
- 7:34Speaker 3: And then the my favorite couple in the whole film
- 7:39Speaker 3: Ludacris and Lorenz Tate. I was blown away by how
- 7:42Speaker 3: good Ludacris was in his role. And we can get
- 7:45Speaker 3: into that as well.
- 7:45Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.
- 7:46Speaker 3: That then Michael Pina, who I think is so underrated
- 7:50Speaker 3: as an actor.
- 7:51Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 7:52Speaker 3: And then lastly, Ryan Philippi and Matt Dillon are partners
- 7:56Speaker 3: as well in the Police Force. And like we said,
- 7:57Speaker 3: Matt Dillon was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his
- 8:00Speaker 3: roll and crash.
- 8:02Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a start.
- 8:03Speaker 3: That's a stud lineup right there.
- 8:04Speaker 2: It is. And it's really interesting how all of the
- 8:07Speaker 2: plots kind of weave through one another throughout the film
- 8:10Speaker 2: and converge upon, uh a single point. Basically, it's it's
- 8:15Speaker 2: it's a well done, well written story.
- 8:18Speaker 4: I I was actually surprised that I think the like
- 8:23Speaker 4: the least interesting part was Brendan Fraser and Sandra Bullock.
- 8:30Speaker 2: I agree, I agree to.
- 8:31Speaker 4: I actually was I was very kind of engaged with
- 8:35Speaker 4: everything else, but when it came to them, it just
- 8:38Speaker 4: seemed like they weren't really involved like the others. And besides,
- 8:42Speaker 4: like the like them kicking it off with the car
- 8:46Speaker 4: jack card jagging, I there was really nothing else except
- 8:50Speaker 4: oh wait, she did twist her ankle. I forgot she
- 8:52Speaker 4: twisted her ankle.
- 8:53Speaker 2: Was that do you think maybe done on purpose? Or
- 8:58Speaker 2: was it just a by product of the story, like
- 9:01Speaker 2: where they presented as.
- 9:02Speaker 4: Like untouchable white rich people.
- 9:04Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it gives them a certain like sort
- 9:07Speaker 2: of coldness in the story. They're kind of distant from
- 9:10Speaker 2: the story. Every time you see them, it's it's kind
- 9:13Speaker 2: of like it feels like a different world from the
- 9:17Speaker 2: rest of the characters that were exploring.
- 9:19Speaker 4: It's possible, but even if I would say I would
- 9:23Speaker 4: have with every with how everything else is structured and written,
- 9:28Speaker 4: I would think that that part would have been better
- 9:32Speaker 4: crafted to convey still that.
- 9:35Speaker 2: I don't think it was intentional. No, but I don't
- 9:37Speaker 2: think it was.
- 9:37Speaker 3: It told me.
- 9:38Speaker 4: But I'm also kind of like, I guess just to
- 9:40Speaker 4: be a part of that, But I'm just like I
- 9:42Speaker 4: always think, what was it that, Like, is it because
- 9:46Speaker 4: he wrote Million Dollar Baby and this was his directing debut,
- 9:50Speaker 4: so you know, well, I.
- 9:52Speaker 2: Mean, I don't know what the timelines were like because
- 9:55Speaker 2: I don't either if this was like written at the
- 9:56Speaker 2: same time like nobody and like, I don't know, was
- 10:01Speaker 2: this actually made, filmed and written and everything after a
- 10:05Speaker 2: Million Dollar Baby.
- 10:06Speaker 4: Well, that's true. So it does make you wonder if
- 10:10Speaker 4: he got the opportunity after a million dollar or like
- 10:12Speaker 4: he had already started filming this and then it picked up.
- 10:17Speaker 3: I don't know, but I do know the first draft
- 10:20Speaker 3: of Oscar was written in I mean, of Crash was
- 10:23Speaker 3: written in two thousand and one. Oh, I don't know,
- 10:26Speaker 3: but I don't know if that's before A Million Dollar
- 10:27Speaker 3: Baby was written or not. Obviously it was, it was
- 10:30Speaker 3: written before the film was made. Yeah, a million Dollar Baby,
- 10:33Speaker 3: that is. But I don't know.
- 10:35Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think and I'm sure we'll get
- 10:38Speaker 2: into the money aspect of it, but it's it's not like,
- 10:42Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know from a money perspective. It
- 10:45Speaker 2: does have an ensemble cast, but was it I'm trying
- 10:50Speaker 2: to piece it together too, like why the this these
- 10:53Speaker 2: choices were.
- 10:53Speaker 4: Made well and then sometimes maybe they were in it
- 10:56Speaker 4: because you know, it got him more money, so they said, okay,
- 10:59Speaker 4: I'll do these part you know, I don't know, Yeah,
- 11:01Speaker 4: I forgot. Ryan Philippi was in it, and you know
- 11:04Speaker 4: what he which I mean, he's still in He's kind
- 11:06Speaker 4: of doing these action shows. Now. I think he just
- 11:09Speaker 4: did shoot her and he's in something else. But you know,
- 11:12Speaker 4: he was.
- 11:12Speaker 3: He was.
- 11:13Speaker 4: He's a good actor if he's in the right stuff.
- 11:16Speaker 4: Because I liked him. We did a thing about Beniso
- 11:18Speaker 4: del Toro and he's good in the way of the gun.
- 11:21Speaker 4: I saw that and have you all seens?
- 11:26Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible movie. I hated cruel intentions.
- 11:29Speaker 3: The hell you say. Ryan Philippi has just been the
- 11:32Speaker 3: raising beautiful children for the last twenty years or so
- 11:34Speaker 3: with him and Reeese.
- 11:35Speaker 2: You know, well.
- 11:39Speaker 3: Enough dead, I say, we raise the glass and cheers
- 11:43Speaker 3: to this ensemble cast with our drink for today. And
- 11:47Speaker 3: that's a little thing called tensions Collide. And this is
- 11:51Speaker 3: where you take an ounce and a half of bourbon.
- 11:54Speaker 3: This is representing the complexities and the underlying tensions in
- 11:57Speaker 3: the film. You have a half ounce of sweet from you,
- 12:00Speaker 3: you know, for a hint of warmth and connection. You
- 12:02Speaker 3: kind of get with some of the stories coming together.
- 12:05Speaker 3: Two dashes of bitters to symbolize, you know, the bitter
- 12:07Speaker 3: reality and prejudices, and then an orange pil for garnish
- 12:11Speaker 3: with a little glimmer of hope or change. You're gonna
- 12:14Speaker 3: steer the bourbon, the sweetener of youth and the bitters
- 12:17Speaker 3: with ice and a mixing glass strained into a chilled
- 12:20Speaker 3: rocks glass, and then garnish with an orange pil. So
- 12:24Speaker 3: that's your tensions collade, A nice sweet little drink that's
- 12:28Speaker 3: really would be warm and perfect for this time of
- 12:30Speaker 3: the year.
- 12:31Speaker 2: Yeah. And I like the complexity angle of it too.
- 12:34Speaker 2: I love a good, complex tasting drink.
- 12:38Speaker 4: It's like Paul Haggis made that drink.
- 12:41Speaker 2: But before all those yeah, before the bad stuff.
- 12:46Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean with million, the success, a million
- 12:51Speaker 3: dollar baby and Crash. You know, he's obviously made some
- 12:54Speaker 3: money to take care of his his issues. So let's
- 12:59Speaker 3: let's talk about money when it comes to Crash. We're
- 13:01Speaker 3: gonna start with the budget obviously, as we always do here.
- 13:04Speaker 3: What do we think the budget was for Crash?
- 13:07Speaker 2: Oh man? So this is filmed in La.
- 13:11Speaker 3: Yes, and he fought to film it in la because
- 13:16Speaker 3: the studio wanted to film in Toronto because it had
- 13:19Speaker 3: been cheaper.
- 13:19Speaker 4: D I would have felt just the same.
- 13:23Speaker 2: Yeah, have you been to Toronto?
- 13:24Speaker 4: Yep, but it'd be I probably would have been nicer,
- 13:28Speaker 4: just a lot of nice Canadians.
- 13:29Speaker 2: And well, then they could have had the mayor that did.
- 13:31Speaker 4: Crack exactly and don't act like he wouldn't have.
- 13:34Speaker 3: Been it, and they could have gotten Ryan Reynolds instead
- 13:38Speaker 3: of that's true, Matt Dylan.
- 13:40Speaker 2: That's true.
- 13:41Speaker 4: No, we then I ain't watching it.
- 13:43Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's an ensemble cast.
- 13:46Speaker 4: I think Sandra and them took a pay cut. I
- 13:49Speaker 4: don't think they're charging no ten twenty or anything like that.
- 13:53Speaker 2: I'm going to say, I'm gonna say forty six.
- 13:57Speaker 4: I'm gonna say thirty three.
- 14:00Speaker 3: Whoa? How about six and a half million dollars?
- 14:04Speaker 2: Whoa?
- 14:06Speaker 3: How?
- 14:06Speaker 4: My god?
- 14:07Speaker 2: God?
- 14:09Speaker 4: Everyone worked for free?
- 14:10Speaker 3: Everyone basically, Yeah, they brought their own lunches to set.
- 14:15Speaker 4: What did Matt Dillon probably just cooked pasta for everyone?
- 14:19Speaker 2: Game? What did Paul Haggis have on these people?
- 14:22Speaker 3: For real?
- 14:23Speaker 4: That's why I wonder if there's some credibility he had,
- 14:27Speaker 4: and if Million Dollar Baby played a part where they
- 14:29Speaker 4: were just wanted to, Like they just thought or their
- 14:33Speaker 4: agent said, hey, this could be an Awards contender? Do
- 14:35Speaker 4: you want to get in on it?
- 14:37Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe it was just I mean it was something
- 14:40Speaker 2: as simple as like reading the script and being like, oh, yeah,
- 14:43Speaker 2: this is not only is it a pretty good script,
- 14:47Speaker 2: but like the themes that this explores is definitely going
- 14:51Speaker 2: to be an Awards player. Yeah, so this might be
- 14:53Speaker 2: your shot. This might be your shot. Matt Dylon.
- 14:56Speaker 3: Yeah, well I will say that, uh, maybe reading the
- 15:01Speaker 3: script knowing that, uh is what got them because the
- 15:05Speaker 3: success of a million dollar maybe had nothing to do
- 15:08Speaker 3: with this, and we'll get into that. That's one of
- 15:10Speaker 3: the little fun facts we'll discuss later.
- 15:12Speaker 4: I was also looking because sometimes you know, like I
- 15:14Speaker 4: was wondering if Sandra Bullock or anybody was a producer
- 15:17Speaker 4: on it as well. But no, the only person who's
- 15:20Speaker 4: in the movie that I saw that was a producer
- 15:22Speaker 4: was Don Chetele.
- 15:24Speaker 3: Okay, he's Don Chetele. Yeah.
- 15:26Speaker 2: For Don Cheatle, he should have been worth twenty minute exactly.
- 15:31Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's that's the general manager of
- 15:35Speaker 3: Hotel Rondo.
- 15:36Speaker 4: Yeah, for God's sake, that's how he got to replace
- 15:39Speaker 4: Terrence Howard later, Yeah, that's true.
- 15:41Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so uh we talked about the budget. Now
- 15:45Speaker 3: let's talk about what this movie did at the box office,
- 15:48Speaker 3: especially in US and Canada on opening weekend. I'll give
- 15:51Speaker 3: you some little fun facts of box office. It opened
- 15:53Speaker 3: May sixth, two thousand and five. So I don't know
- 15:57Speaker 3: if the studio, Yeah, I don't know if studios really
- 16:00Speaker 3: thinking this is an Oscar contender because it was released
- 16:04Speaker 3: so early in the year. Maybe they thought it was
- 16:05Speaker 3: gonna be a big blockbuster coming out in May, because
- 16:09Speaker 3: you know, people just flocked to movies about racism.
- 16:12Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Sandy Bullet's in it, and Brendan Fraser maybe
- 16:15Speaker 4: take that to Mummy.
- 16:17Speaker 3: And Sino Man is in Crash for like five scenes.
- 16:21Speaker 3: But it was released. It was released on over eighteen
- 16:24Speaker 3: hundred screens. It opened against one movie I've never heard
- 16:28Speaker 3: of or remember at all, and that's Kingdom of Heaven.
- 16:31Speaker 2: Oh is that Orlando Bloom? Yeah?
- 16:36Speaker 3: And then it opened against the Paris Hilton classic House
- 16:40Speaker 3: of Wax as well.
- 16:42Speaker 2: Actually I liked that movie. I haven't watched it since
- 16:45Speaker 2: two thousand and five.
- 16:46Speaker 4: I remember us going to see it.
- 16:49Speaker 3: I saw in theaters too. And then recently rewatched it
- 16:52Speaker 3: so the wife could see it for the first time,
- 16:54Speaker 3: and I liked it better this time than I did
- 16:56Speaker 3: the first time.
- 16:57Speaker 4: Well, you watched it two or three years ago, and
- 17:00Speaker 4: it's what you think it is. But it's not even
- 17:02Speaker 4: a bad way.
- 17:03Speaker 2: We might have too, well, might have to add that
- 17:05Speaker 2: one to our spooky season slate this year.
- 17:07Speaker 3: Yep. I think I think it would be a contender. Definitely.
- 17:10Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 17:10Speaker 3: So with that being said, what do we think the
- 17:14Speaker 3: opening weekend box office was domestically for Crash?
- 17:17Speaker 4: Well, I have a feeling Kingdom of Heaven probably won that.
- 17:20Speaker 2: I'm opening weekend, I'm gonna say eleven million.
- 17:24Speaker 3: I'm gonna say eight, eight and eleven. I will tell
- 17:28Speaker 3: you the top five real quick. The Interpreter was number.
- 17:32Speaker 2: Five, Wow, I forgot about that movie.
- 17:35Speaker 3: Crash came in at number four, so it's in the
- 17:37Speaker 3: top five. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was number three,
- 17:43Speaker 3: House of Wax number two, and Kingdom of Heaven opened
- 17:46Speaker 3: at number one. But Crash brought in nine point one
- 17:50Speaker 3: million dollars opening weekend, so you're kind of in the middle. Close,
- 17:54Speaker 3: but it automatically made its budget back in the first
- 17:57Speaker 3: week you know.
- 17:58Speaker 4: How I knew that it was in single digits. How
- 18:02Speaker 4: when he said Hitchhiker's Guy to the Galaxy was ahead
- 18:05Speaker 4: of it, That's how I knew.
- 18:08Speaker 2: I don't think I even saw that.
- 18:11Speaker 3: I didn't either. Total domestic it made fifty four and
- 18:17Speaker 3: a half million dollars and then worldwide ninety eight and
- 18:21Speaker 3: a half million dollars total. Saw the budget at six
- 18:24Speaker 3: pointy five. That's a huge success.
- 18:26Speaker 2: I could have sworn this was one hundred million dollar
- 18:28Speaker 2: movie because I thought, like I thought, how for some reason,
- 18:33Speaker 2: I remember reading that like it didn't make a lot,
- 18:36Speaker 2: It didn't make its money until they put it back
- 18:38Speaker 2: in theaters because of the Oscar run.
- 18:41Speaker 4: Well that's that's probably true. And you know it always
- 18:45Speaker 4: gets a boost once you get those nominations. Yeah, I
- 18:48Speaker 4: thought you were kidding at first when you said a
- 18:50Speaker 4: million dollars.
- 18:51Speaker 2: I'm like, what, I thought it was gonna be one
- 18:53Speaker 2: of those sneaky ones where we're like, oh, it ended
- 18:56Speaker 2: up making its I made nine million opening weekend, but
- 18:59Speaker 2: for the total run it was one hundred and six
- 19:01Speaker 2: million or something like that. But it wasn't far off.
- 19:03Speaker 2: Ninety no, no, ninety eight.
- 19:05Speaker 4: I bet Bulgaria did helped it.
- 19:08Speaker 3: I got Bulgaria's numbers, don't you are?
- 19:10Speaker 4: This is that's become my favorite part of this whole
- 19:12Speaker 4: show is just Bulgaria.
- 19:15Speaker 3: So the UK a little over eleven million dollars and
- 19:18Speaker 3: Spain brought in a little over ten million dollars. So,
- 19:22Speaker 3: you know, Western Europe really enjoyed this movie. And you
- 19:26Speaker 3: know their takes on views of American racism.
- 19:29Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's weird, Like how how does this play
- 19:34Speaker 2: in other countries?
- 19:34Speaker 4: Well, but yes, and also are they going in a
- 19:38Speaker 4: way not that prejudice doesn't happen all over the world,
- 19:42Speaker 4: but really kind of hone in on like God, these Americans.
- 19:46Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't know. There are
- 19:48Speaker 2: some countries that I think probably watching and think these
- 19:51Speaker 2: Americans not not far enough. They need to really.
- 19:55Speaker 4: Well, that's true. They're probably thinking that's easy. What they're
- 19:59Speaker 4: doing is easy.
- 19:59Speaker 3: Yeah, there are tightened the news for lack of better.
- 20:03Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some parts of Europe that are still
- 20:06Speaker 2: kind of barbaric if you keep up.
- 20:09Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't keep up with the news.
- 20:11Speaker 2: That's probably for the best.
- 20:13Speaker 3: It's probably for the best. So our friends in Bulgaria
- 20:17Speaker 3: they brought in forty eight thousand, five ninety three dollars,
- 20:21Speaker 3: So that's a hefty little nice you know.
- 20:23Speaker 2: That's well junk. There. There's a there's a a cohort
- 20:27Speaker 2: of American centophiles in Bulgaria.
- 20:30Speaker 4: I just, I just, I just I don't know why,
- 20:33Speaker 4: but I just imagine that there are like twelve families
- 20:38Speaker 4: and they go see every movie playing at this one
- 20:41Speaker 4: theater and it doesn't matter what it is, and that's
- 20:44Speaker 4: where the money comes from.
- 20:46Speaker 3: I'm just imagining. I'm just imagining a little russeph going
- 20:52Speaker 3: going to the movies with mom and dad and whatnot.
- 20:55Speaker 3: But I will tell you what I think is the
- 20:57Speaker 3: least race cis country in the world is Slovakia because
- 21:04Speaker 3: it only brought in twelve hundred dollars at the bottom.
- 21:07Speaker 2: Man, Wow, the dollars. What do you think of Slovakian
- 21:11Speaker 2: movie ticket costs? We can do the math here real quick.
- 21:16Speaker 3: Two chickens.
- 21:18Speaker 2: If it's like ten bucks a pop, that's one hundred
- 21:21Speaker 2: and twenty people that saw Crack.
- 21:22Speaker 4: Two chickens and a four year old boiling pot. Yeah,
- 21:27Speaker 4: gets you and two other guests in yeah yeah.
- 21:31Speaker 3: And you split a medium popcorn. No better, but.
- 21:34Speaker 4: Hey, free on your birthday.
- 21:36Speaker 2: There, there you go, there you go.
- 21:39Speaker 3: Uh So the movie did well at the box office,
- 21:42Speaker 3: especially based on its a budget. But what's important is
- 21:46Speaker 3: what people thought about the movie. I will go down
- 21:49Speaker 3: saying this is the most polarizing film I think we've
- 21:52Speaker 3: we've reviewed on this podcast so far in what are
- 21:56Speaker 3: four or five years now we've been doing it.
- 22:00Speaker 2: So what do we think polarizing in terms of like
- 22:02Speaker 2: the general audience, Because yeah, we've had some we've had
- 22:05Speaker 2: some knock down dragouts over like the high fidelity on
- 22:09Speaker 2: the show.
- 22:10Speaker 3: So I'm talking about in reference to it being an
- 22:14Speaker 3: Oscar winner and okay, like that, gotcha, people people in
- 22:19Speaker 3: the comments are have some ways of thinking about this film,
- 22:24Speaker 3: fair enough. So with that said, Rotten Tomatoes. We do
- 22:27Speaker 3: this every time. We've got two hundred and forty reviews
- 22:30Speaker 3: of the Tomato meter that'd be in the media, the journalist,
- 22:33Speaker 3: the critics, blah blah blah. What do we think the
- 22:35Speaker 3: percentage is for Crash?
- 22:38Speaker 2: I'm going to say. I'm going to say, because it
- 22:41Speaker 2: is kind of mixed, say eighty two.
- 22:48Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna say ninety three.
- 22:51Speaker 3: Oh, y'all way over seventy three.
- 22:55Speaker 2: Dang.
- 22:56Speaker 4: Still I still though those nineties. But when you compare
- 22:58Speaker 4: it to like Broke Back Mountain, stuff, people are But
- 23:01Speaker 4: I thought critics really did love it.
- 23:04Speaker 2: Do you think the fact that well it wouldn't. I
- 23:07Speaker 2: don't know that you can add the reviews in retrospect.
- 23:10Speaker 2: Do you think the love for Broke Back Mountain actually
- 23:14Speaker 2: generates negative feelings towards Crash? Do people resent Crash a
- 23:19Speaker 2: little more than maybe they should because of Brokeback Mountain?
- 23:22Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so absolutely from the reviews I read.
- 23:27Speaker 4: Definitely, I think it's a fine film, but because it
- 23:33Speaker 4: won Best Picture that them people are, you know, they're
- 23:39Speaker 4: almost shitting on it just because even though the movie
- 23:42Speaker 4: actually is I think a really good movie. But yes,
- 23:46Speaker 4: the and but you know, the one thing about Rotten
- 23:49Speaker 4: Tomatoes is is like, I just wonder what it was
- 23:51Speaker 4: when it came out because people can add so many things. Yeah,
- 23:55Speaker 4: after the fact that I'm just like, is it seventy
- 23:58Speaker 4: something now? Because maybe people don't like the subject matter,
- 24:03Speaker 4: or they think it's woke, or you know, it's it's
- 24:06Speaker 4: always a bit skewed. But but still, I definitely think
- 24:11Speaker 4: people are more of a hater on it because of
- 24:13Speaker 4: it winning than it actually like if they just saw it,
- 24:17Speaker 4: I mean, it stopped there.
- 24:18Speaker 2: I have to say, I haven't rewatched this until now.
- 24:22Speaker 2: I think when it came out and I enjoyed it,
- 24:25Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, oh, yeah, I do enjoy this
- 24:29Speaker 2: as much as I enjoyed it then, and I thought
- 24:31Speaker 2: it was really good then yeah, But the thought did
- 24:34Speaker 2: cross my mind at the end of it was like,
- 24:35Speaker 2: oh yeah, like Broke Back Mountain should have won.
- 24:38Speaker 4: I know that's the thing, and so if like up
- 24:42Speaker 4: again holding it against that standard, and and to me,
- 24:45Speaker 4: it's really good, but it doesn't meet.
- 24:47Speaker 2: That, and uh, I think that's in a way unfortunate
- 24:52Speaker 2: for that this film is probably still deserving of the
- 24:57Speaker 2: Best Picture echelon of movies. I think it's in the conversation,
- 25:02Speaker 2: people made a good movie, they won the award, and
- 25:04Speaker 2: all these years later we're still talking about it doesn't
- 25:07Speaker 2: deserve it.
- 25:08Speaker 4: But then if it's like, okay, Broke Back Mountain wasn't
- 25:10Speaker 4: in there, what then would people be like, hey, you
- 25:12Speaker 4: know what solid Best Picture winner?
- 25:15Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the other nominees were. I don't want
- 25:18Speaker 2: to cut you off my cash if you've got this
- 25:19Speaker 2: later on in your Adults.
- 25:21Speaker 4: I know one of the nominees was Passion of the Christ.
- 25:25Speaker 2: New Year, got it, New Year, We don't have to
- 25:28Speaker 2: hit that quota anymore. The other nominees that year were
- 25:31Speaker 2: Broke Back Mountain, Capodi, good Night and good Luck, and Munich.
- 25:37Speaker 3: So okay, okay, Yeah, So if if.
- 25:44Speaker 2: Broke Back Mountain is not in that field, does Crash still.
- 25:49Speaker 4: I think it has a better Yes, I do. I
- 25:52Speaker 4: think some people would argue because I know a lot
- 25:54Speaker 4: of people like Munich.
- 25:55Speaker 2: That's Spielberg's that's the one that came to mind.
- 25:59Speaker 4: I like Capodi, but I do think it's more of
- 26:01Speaker 4: a showcase verse Hoffman, which is why I won. But yeah,
- 26:03Speaker 4: I could see Crash. I think it's an easier to
- 26:06Speaker 4: digest that if Broke Back Mountain. And also, just real quick,
- 26:11Speaker 4: I think part of the surprise was and I'm not
- 26:13Speaker 4: sure if like Broke Back Mountain was winning everything up
- 26:15Speaker 4: to this point and Crash snuck in and got it,
- 26:18Speaker 4: but the fact that the award before Best Pictures Best
- 26:21Speaker 4: Director and ang Lee won for Broke Back Mountain, yeah,
- 26:25Speaker 4: probably really got people's hopes up. Probably like when they
- 26:28Speaker 4: thought Chadwick Boseman and then Anthony Hopkins won.
- 26:32Speaker 2: Yeah, so I.
- 26:33Speaker 4: Think there was kind of sett them up.
- 26:34Speaker 2: This was a really interesting year at the Oscars because
- 26:37Speaker 2: like the six big categories, the Best Picture, Best Directing,
- 26:41Speaker 2: and the four Acting awards, Yeah, all went to six
- 26:45Speaker 2: different films.
- 26:47Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well Capodi, it was Capodi.
- 26:49Speaker 2: Broke Back Mountain, Crash. Reese Witherspoon wins for Walk the Line. Oh,
- 26:54Speaker 2: George Clooney wins for Siriana. Oh, and Rachel Weiss won
- 26:58Speaker 2: for The Constant Gardner. Wow.
- 27:01Speaker 4: There's some good films though.
- 27:02Speaker 2: So yeah, it's goodyear, and Crash rose to the top
- 27:07Speaker 2: among them all as the Best Picture.
- 27:09Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 27:09Speaker 4: I see why George Clooney won because I was wondering
- 27:11Speaker 4: who Matt Dillon lost to.
- 27:14Speaker 2: I never saw that film.
- 27:15Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's actually what's funny is it's a little
- 27:18Speaker 4: bit like Crash as far as like all of these
- 27:23Speaker 4: plots are kind of like criss crossing. Yeah, and it's
- 27:26Speaker 4: quite it's another ensemble piece.
- 27:29Speaker 2: Paul Giamatty. It's alla, man, God, I love that movie.
- 27:33Speaker 2: I do too. I love Paul Giamattia in general.
- 27:36Speaker 3: Yes, so, but the question is did the everyday fan
- 27:41Speaker 3: love Crash? So two hundred and fifty thousand plus refuse
- 27:45Speaker 3: what is the popcorn meter? And rotten tomatoes?
- 27:48Speaker 2: That was what I was going to say was probably
- 27:50Speaker 2: like seventy two seventy three. I know, I'm going to
- 27:52Speaker 2: say seventy two percent.
- 27:53Speaker 4: I'm going to say sixty three.
- 27:56Speaker 3: You both undershot this time. She's eighty eight percent.
- 28:00Speaker 2: That's surprising.
- 28:01Speaker 4: Well, racism is popular.
- 28:03Speaker 2: I guess, so, I guess. So you're saying, like some
- 28:06Speaker 2: people watch this and we're like, hell.
- 28:07Speaker 4: Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah.
- 28:10Speaker 2: I'm fired up.
- 28:11Speaker 4: Now I'm glad that man's on the side of the
- 28:13Speaker 4: road dead.
- 28:17Speaker 3: Philip I would have grabbed her by the pussy too, Yeah.
- 28:22Speaker 4: While looking her husband dead in his eyes.
- 28:28Speaker 3: That's where uncomfort.
- 28:30Speaker 4: I can't imagine, Like how does Matt Dylon and Thandy
- 28:34Speaker 4: Newton like to approach that scene and to make it
- 28:38Speaker 4: where like I mean, that's why I feel like Matt
- 28:40Speaker 4: Dylan is so good in this because he is He
- 28:43Speaker 4: actually is, like you see how he got there and
- 28:50Speaker 4: when he tells that operator lady, yeah that that's one
- 28:54Speaker 4: of the best scenes in the entire film is because
- 28:56Speaker 4: he's like if not, he's like, I know, I'm a
- 28:58Speaker 4: prick like he like it was great.
- 29:00Speaker 2: You have to get to a place where you were
- 29:03Speaker 2: saying and doing some things that are very uncomfortable, but
- 29:07Speaker 2: you have to do it convincingly. And I'm just I'm
- 29:11Speaker 2: watching him do his thing, and I'm thinking, how do
- 29:13Speaker 2: you get into that headspot?
- 29:14Speaker 4: But you know what, we don't know. He could just
- 29:16Speaker 4: be like that.
- 29:17Speaker 2: Maybe he is.
- 29:17Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he turned Tandy Newton into a finger puppet.
- 29:22Speaker 3: That's all.
- 29:23Speaker 4: That was that scene and when she talked and when
- 29:26Speaker 4: she talked like cookie monster. I thought that was kind
- 29:28Speaker 4: of strange.
- 29:34Speaker 3: You say, you're saying, Matt Dillon did it all for
- 29:36Speaker 3: the cookie.
- 29:39Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're gonna get this.
- 29:42Speaker 4: Well.
- 29:43Speaker 3: If that doesn't, maybe some of these letterbox reviews will
- 29:46Speaker 3: get us canceled, all right, Like like I said, and
- 29:49Speaker 3: looking through reviews on on rod Tomatoes and letterbox, people
- 29:52Speaker 3: are all over the board with this fucking movie. And
- 29:56Speaker 3: it starts with Dirk h who I think has up
- 30:00Speaker 3: on a previous episode because that name sounds very familiar.
- 30:03Speaker 2: But it does.
- 30:04Speaker 3: This is a This is a bit of a long one,
- 30:07Speaker 3: so bear with me. Gave it one star. Whenever I
- 30:11Speaker 3: walk into I guess Dirk's a teacher. Whenever I walk
- 30:14Speaker 3: into a classroom filled with new students, I can always
- 30:17Speaker 3: immediately pick out the spoiled, rich kids who think they
- 30:20Speaker 3: have an understanding of the real world while they really
- 30:23Speaker 3: really don't. This film is one of those kids, and
- 30:27Speaker 3: it's the worst kind. It thinks it's important too, but
- 30:30Speaker 3: it's not. It's about as important as bleaching your anus
- 30:35Speaker 3: or stuffing your face with botox.
- 30:37Speaker 2: Okay, wow, my goodness, Jesus, I would like Dirk. Why
- 30:42Speaker 2: Why does Dirk think that?
- 30:44Speaker 4: Why does he think it's smarter than it is? But
- 30:46Speaker 4: not that important? Yeah, especially twenty one years later, and
- 30:51Speaker 4: that looks real familiar in everyday life more than I
- 30:54Speaker 4: think it used to shock people sometimes.
- 30:58Speaker 2: Like I read letterbox reviews and I just I'm like,
- 31:01Speaker 2: what movie did you watch?
- 31:03Speaker 5: Know that?
- 31:04Speaker 4: But I also feel like, like where did you like?
- 31:07Speaker 4: Where did like? At what point did you come up
- 31:09Speaker 4: with that? Like when did you start watching? And think? Yeah,
- 31:14Speaker 4: this is like when I go into my classroom and
- 31:17Speaker 4: I see the it doesn't really make you.
- 31:21Speaker 2: I don't mind people critiquing film, but obviously, but no, like,
- 31:27Speaker 2: if you feel a certain way, you gotta you gotta
- 31:29Speaker 2: tell me why if I'm going to believe what you're
- 31:31Speaker 2: getting down, and he's not. He's not telling a lot
- 31:34Speaker 2: of why there.
- 31:35Speaker 4: No, no, I agree, Well, I yeah, there's not a
- 31:39Speaker 4: lot of why. But I'm not even I don't think
- 31:41Speaker 4: I can connect where he's going off on it, where
- 31:46Speaker 4: he doesn't think like I mean, maybe in the grand
- 31:49Speaker 4: scheme of things, it's not important, but I think that
- 31:50Speaker 4: subject matter hits a certain spot and the fact that
- 31:54Speaker 4: we can see it now, so I'm not quite sure.
- 31:57Speaker 4: I don't know when did Dirk put this that the letter?
- 32:01Speaker 2: I think I think Dirk thinks he's smarter than he
- 32:04Speaker 2: really is.
- 32:05Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 32:05Speaker 4: I don't think Dirk's even a teacher. I think he
- 32:07Speaker 4: just wanders into schools once. Maybe sound cool?
- 32:11Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, maybe Dirk has bleached his aim and it's one.
- 32:14Speaker 4: To me exactly, That's what I'm thinking.
- 32:16Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 32:17Speaker 3: Uh. Somebody who thought even lesser of this film is
- 32:22Speaker 3: Keegan Martin. Keegan gave it a half a star and says,
- 32:26Speaker 3: I made myself sit through this and I'm pissed. This
- 32:30Speaker 3: one best picture over Broke Back Mountain.
- 32:32Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the general sentiment.
- 32:33Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what I was gonna say.
- 32:35Speaker 4: But again, what why was that hour and fifty three
- 32:39Speaker 4: minutes so excruciating?
- 32:41Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, were you sitting through it the whole time
- 32:44Speaker 2: just thinking what broke back? Mountain broke? Yeah, And but
- 32:53Speaker 2: it goes to a point you brought up earlier, Brandon.
- 32:56Speaker 2: It's like you're holding those feelings that get against this film,
- 33:00Speaker 2: and I don't really think that's fair. I think if
- 33:03Speaker 2: you just take the film for what it is, stand alone,
- 33:06Speaker 2: out all of that around it, I don't see how
- 33:08Speaker 2: you get started.
- 33:10Speaker 4: Start going, Hey, what you need to do, you sons
- 33:13Speaker 4: of bitches, is start going to these Academy people and
- 33:16Speaker 4: asking them because they voted for it, and you know why,
- 33:19Speaker 4: Crash probably won because they were too damn scared to
- 33:21Speaker 4: award a movie about two gay cowboys back in two
- 33:24Speaker 4: thousand a whatever, that's what's really happened.
- 33:30Speaker 3: So depressed and on letterbox dave it three Yeah, gave
- 33:35Speaker 3: it three stars. It would have been better if it
- 33:37Speaker 3: was depressed and checked in. I like that, Yeah, three stars,
- 33:45Speaker 3: and says the movie would have been better if it
- 33:47Speaker 3: ended with Ludacris turning to the camera and saying, man,
- 33:51Speaker 3: when two people crash that ship.
- 33:53Speaker 2: Ludacris, that would be good. Yeah, then nobody would remember broken,
- 34:01Speaker 2: That's right. Uh.
- 34:04Speaker 3: Then, lastly, Starlow five stars. Starlow loves the film and
- 34:09Speaker 3: says it's one of the greatest multi layered, intertwined stories
- 34:13Speaker 3: and cinematic history, gripping, emotional and a great sense of
- 34:17Speaker 3: overall shocking twist. An ensemble cast at all independently and
- 34:21Speaker 3: collaboratively kill it Max Directional Powers.
- 34:25Speaker 4: Well, I thought for sure he was gonna end with
- 34:27Speaker 4: but broke back won I. I uh, when I was
- 34:35Speaker 4: watching that scene of where Matt Dillon is getting real
- 34:40Speaker 4: handsy with Sandy Newton, I just thought, you know what,
- 34:43Speaker 4: this ship wouldn't happen if Terrence Howard's character from Hustle
- 34:47Speaker 4: and Flow was her husband.
- 34:51Speaker 2: Both of those cops have been shot.
- 34:52Speaker 4: I don't even think they would be in the same
- 34:54Speaker 4: car that they were in. Well, he was, But I thought, man,
- 34:58Speaker 4: Matt Dillon, you're you lucky, you real lucky.
- 35:02Speaker 3: You lucky. Craig Brewer didn't direct this lucky.
- 35:05Speaker 4: It was some old white man.
- 35:06Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh So this is an award winner. As we've
- 35:11Speaker 3: mentioned multiple times, it was nominated for six Academy Awards,
- 35:14Speaker 3: winning three, winning for Best Original Screenplay, as we said earlier,
- 35:18Speaker 3: best Film as well, and Best Editing. I do think
- 35:21Speaker 3: it was a really well edited film too.
- 35:24Speaker 4: Especially that one where Sandra Bullock falls and twister ankle.
- 35:27Speaker 4: She shouldn't have been wearing socks.
- 35:29Speaker 3: That may have been c G. I we don't know,
- 35:32Speaker 3: but I doubt it was six and a half million
- 35:33Speaker 3: dollars in the budget.
- 35:34Speaker 4: I thought that was they had to push Sandy down
- 35:36Speaker 4: those stairs. They had no choice.
- 35:38Speaker 2: That might have been why it feels so out of
- 35:41Speaker 2: place is that it wasn't supposed to happen, But they
- 35:43Speaker 2: just got to explain what that's method for her.
- 35:50Speaker 3: It was supposed to have been in the blooper reel
- 35:52Speaker 3: at the end of the film in the credit.
- 35:54Speaker 4: Starts yelling for him and the only person there is
- 35:57Speaker 4: that made who She's been a bitch too? Like I
- 35:59Speaker 4: just sick.
- 36:00Speaker 2: Thanks? Yeah.
- 36:02Speaker 4: Uh.
- 36:02Speaker 3: That year at the Academy Awards, Crash was the only
- 36:05Speaker 3: Best Picture nominee to have a nomination for Best Song.
- 36:10Speaker 4: I did see that. I I was looking at the
- 36:12Speaker 4: Awards stuff and I forgot was it called something in
- 36:14Speaker 4: the Deep or in the Deep? Rolling in the deep?
- 36:17Speaker 3: That's a death.
- 36:21Speaker 2: That was the way before that was the year that
- 36:23Speaker 2: It's Hard out Here for a Pimp won for Hustle
- 36:25Speaker 2: and Flow. My god.
- 36:26Speaker 4: So Hustle and Flow was Was it the same Oscars
- 36:29Speaker 4: as Crash?
- 36:30Speaker 3: Yeah? So at the Oscars you had racism, uh, Southern
- 36:36Speaker 3: Southern racism.
- 36:38Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 36:38Speaker 3: And and gay cowboys. It was a year and a gay.
- 36:44Speaker 2: And Johnny Cash and Johnny Cash and King Kong won
- 36:48Speaker 2: a few Oscars that year, Oh my god, for visual
- 36:51Speaker 2: effects and sound editing. Sound mixing Memoirs of a Geisha was.
- 36:57Speaker 4: Oh my god, did Jack Black win for sound mixing
- 36:59Speaker 4: for I think so?
- 37:01Speaker 3: I think him or Kyle Glass one one of the two?
- 37:04Speaker 4: Oh my god? What what? Ah?
- 37:07Speaker 2: That was the year March of the Penguins came out, too, God,
- 37:12Speaker 2: that was the no wonder that show an.
- 37:16Speaker 3: Amazing thing. So it's completely in black and white. So
- 37:19Speaker 3: who knows? Yeh uh. In my research, I you know,
- 37:23Speaker 3: finding how you know controversial this film is and how
- 37:26Speaker 3: people view it. It was often mentioned as one of
- 37:30Speaker 3: the lowest ranked Best Picture winners of all time. So
- 37:36Speaker 3: we're sitting at ninety eight best winners overall. So the
- 37:40Speaker 3: Oscars are closing in on one hundred years. Crash ranked
- 37:44Speaker 3: at this is according to Rotten Tomatoes ranking of each
- 37:47Speaker 3: Best Picture winner of all time. Crash comes in at
- 37:51Speaker 3: number ninety on the list.
- 37:53Speaker 2: Wow wow, I mean it's I don't know all of
- 37:56Speaker 2: the best picture winners, so it would be hard for
- 37:58Speaker 2: me to argue with that book.
- 38:00Speaker 4: Yeah well, sometimes, like even out of ninety eight, like
- 38:03Speaker 4: you're talking about supposedly the best of the best of
- 38:06Speaker 4: each year, so it still may not sound as.
- 38:08Speaker 2: Bad theoretically, Like ninety eighth on that list could still
- 38:12Speaker 2: be one of the ninety eighth greatest movies ever made.
- 38:15Speaker 4: It could be Lawrence of Arabia.
- 38:16Speaker 2: I love Lawrence of Arabia. There's no way, there's no Well,
- 38:21Speaker 2: I don't know if it did.
- 38:23Speaker 3: I'm sure it did. Should I feel like that movie
- 38:25Speaker 3: won like everything that year. But I do have the
- 38:28Speaker 3: top five?
- 38:29Speaker 4: Okay?
- 38:30Speaker 3: Do we do we have any guesses or thoughts of
- 38:32Speaker 3: what could be in the top five according to Rotten Tomatoes.
- 38:35Speaker 2: Oh man, some of the movies that come to mind.
- 38:37Speaker 2: I don't think it.
- 38:38Speaker 4: Was Godfather Part two.
- 38:40Speaker 3: No, even that's not up there, not in the top five.
- 38:43Speaker 4: But now this isn't like rated like certified fresh. This
- 38:48Speaker 4: is just a ranking that's rotten Tomatoes did of the
- 38:50Speaker 4: best Well.
- 38:51Speaker 3: No, it's based on where the film tomatoes ranking.
- 38:56Speaker 2: Okay, because like Citizen Kane one of the best of
- 39:00Speaker 2: all time, but it didn't win Best Picture, did it.
- 39:03Speaker 3: I don't.
- 39:04Speaker 4: I don't think so.
- 39:05Speaker 3: I missed that year, so I don't remember.
- 39:08Speaker 2: Well, we just did a podcast, I say, just did.
- 39:10Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 39:12Speaker 4: Yeah, that's been a while. I mean, I'm trying to
- 39:16Speaker 4: go way back because I feel like it's like gone
- 39:21Speaker 4: with Yeah, Casa Blanca.
- 39:23Speaker 3: Castle Blanca is number two. Down with the Wind is
- 39:26Speaker 3: not in the top five, Okay.
- 39:28Speaker 4: I feel like all of these are like one hundred
- 39:30Speaker 4: and ninety nine and that's it.
- 39:32Speaker 3: Is there?
- 39:33Speaker 4: Is there any like anything past two thousand?
- 39:37Speaker 3: Yes, two of the top five are from two thousand of.
- 39:42Speaker 4: The Return of the King, No Man, Gladiator, no Jeus,
- 39:47Speaker 4: I had to Parasite.
- 39:49Speaker 3: Parasite is number one.
- 39:52Speaker 4: Damn. I feel so long ago.
- 39:55Speaker 3: H The other two thousand was one that was at
- 40:00Speaker 3: first mistakenly not awarded Movie Award. Moonlight is number five,
- 40:07Speaker 3: and then number four All about Eve and number three
- 40:10Speaker 3: on the Waterfront.
- 40:11Speaker 4: Oh man, I haven't even heard of those. Those last two,
- 40:15Speaker 4: I've heard of them. I just I'm a little surprised
- 40:18Speaker 4: that that is. Yeah, those are your top five.
- 40:21Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never seen All about Eve, but On the
- 40:23Speaker 3: Waterfront is a great Marlon Brando film.
- 40:26Speaker 4: I've seen All about Steve that has Sandra Bully. Likewise,
- 40:31Speaker 4: like Bradley Cooper.
- 40:32Speaker 2: I've seen What About Bob.
- 40:36Speaker 3: I hate that movie so much.
- 40:38Speaker 2: I had to watch it in a high school psychology class. Uh,
- 40:43Speaker 2: cast Blanka.
- 40:44Speaker 4: I figured get that Angle of the Wind would be
- 40:46Speaker 4: up there.
- 40:47Speaker 3: I thought Godfather would be in the top five.
- 40:49Speaker 4: Too, But okay, Steve, So I don't know. I think
- 40:53Speaker 4: the ranking of ninety, which I mean, I guess that
- 40:55Speaker 4: makes sense. It's in the seventies.
- 40:58Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
- 41:00Speaker 4: That's fine. So it has three oscars, I mean.
- 41:04Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which we'll get to. I have a note
- 41:08Speaker 3: about that. It's it's the least amount of oscars a
- 41:12Speaker 3: Best Picture film has won since Rocky Oh My Him
- 41:18Speaker 3: only went in three. Yep and Crash was particularly controversial,
- 41:24Speaker 3: as we talked when it won the Best Oscar for
- 41:26Speaker 3: Best Picture over the more critically favored, respected and commercial
- 41:30Speaker 3: hit Broke Back Mountain. The Academy was accused of homophobia,
- 41:34Speaker 3: and many said that Crash benefited by the Academy's ingrained homophobia,
- 41:40Speaker 3: and many felt that Crash was a safer option since
- 41:42Speaker 3: it safely tackled racism and tolerance, whereas Broke Back Mountain
- 41:46Speaker 3: was a riskier option that the Academy, even at its
- 41:49Speaker 3: most progressive, wasn't going to celebrate. And many also felt
- 41:53Speaker 3: that Crash winning over Broke Back Mountains cemented the notion
- 41:56Speaker 3: that the Academy is an out of date institution.
- 42:00Speaker 2: I remember that being man. Yeah, it was. It was
- 42:03Speaker 2: a hot topic there for a little bit.
- 42:05Speaker 4: Well, and I think that even went more into where
- 42:09Speaker 4: they tried to play both sides. Because ang Lee would
- 42:13Speaker 4: win for Best Directory, they wouldn't reward the movie, but
- 42:16Speaker 4: they rewarded him.
- 42:20Speaker 2: Academy truly believed that Crash was a better film. I
- 42:24Speaker 2: think that's perfectly fine, no issues with that.
- 42:27Speaker 4: But I don't think it all the signs actually point.
- 42:30Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was about to say, Yeah, is
- 42:33Speaker 2: that I don't feel like I don't feel like that
- 42:37Speaker 2: was the case. I think there's there's enough reason to
- 42:40Speaker 2: say what was just outlined. I think there's a plausible
- 42:45Speaker 2: you can believe that, you can believe that at the
- 42:48Speaker 2: time they just did not want to reward Brokeback Mountains,
- 42:54Speaker 2: so then, which is a shame.
- 42:55Speaker 4: It is a shame. And fast forward when you say, hey,
- 42:58Speaker 4: you know what Moonlight?
- 43:00Speaker 2: Do it? Yeah?
- 43:01Speaker 4: Do it for the gays.
- 43:03Speaker 3: That's right, We're gonna but I want you to let
- 43:06Speaker 3: people think. But I want you to let people think
- 43:09Speaker 3: Lola Land won first before you go back and say
- 43:12Speaker 3: that Moonlight one.
- 43:13Speaker 4: I want those straight musical people to celebrate the first.
- 43:16Speaker 3: Yes, and before we get to the black gays.
- 43:19Speaker 4: Yes, you should see Moonlight just for I'm gonna butcher his.
- 43:24Speaker 2: Name herschel Ali.
- 43:26Speaker 4: Yes, because that's when he won his first Oscar.
- 43:28Speaker 3: Have you not seen it? Stip?
- 43:29Speaker 2: I have not know.
- 43:30Speaker 3: Oh, Moonlight is so good.
- 43:32Speaker 4: Barry Jenkins, It's fantastic.
- 43:35Speaker 3: Uh this this podcast is all about movies turning twenty
- 43:39Speaker 3: one years old. If you didn't know, spoiler alert, but
- 43:42Speaker 3: Crash is actually older than Million Dollar Baby.
- 43:46Speaker 2: Really?
- 43:47Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 43:48Speaker 2: How?
- 43:49Speaker 3: How great question. Crash is the only Best Picture winner
- 43:53Speaker 3: initially released before the previous year's Best Picture winner.
- 43:57Speaker 2: Uh So.
- 44:00Speaker 3: Million Dollar Baby was released on December fifteenth of two
- 44:02Speaker 3: thousand and four, and this film, Crash, the two thousand
- 44:06Speaker 3: and six Best Picture winner, was released on September tenth,
- 44:09Speaker 3: two thousand and four, at the at TIFF, the Toronto
- 44:15Speaker 3: International Film Festival. How about that, yep, A little loophole here, yep.
- 44:20Speaker 3: Although originally released in two thousand and four, of the
- 44:22Speaker 3: film did not qualify for the following year's Academy Awards
- 44:26Speaker 3: as it did not play at least one week in
- 44:28Speaker 3: Los Angeles, as Academy Awards rules required for eligibility. When
- 44:33Speaker 3: it was finally released in LA the following year, the
- 44:35Speaker 3: film qualified for OSCAR consideration in five and went on
- 44:39Speaker 3: to win the Best Picture. As we've already discussed.
- 44:41Speaker 2: How about that. So a little technicality, because it is
- 44:44Speaker 2: one of those movies that, depending on which site you
- 44:47Speaker 2: look at, some say two thousand and five, some do
- 44:50Speaker 2: say two thousand and four.
- 44:51Speaker 3: Yep. And that's where I was kind of talking earlier
- 44:54Speaker 3: about people signing up to be a part of this
- 44:57Speaker 3: film couldn't base it off of the success of A
- 45:00Speaker 3: Million Dollar Baby because yeah, hadn't come out yet.
- 45:04Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that is really interesting. Then this was
- 45:08Speaker 2: it just one of those films that everybody's like you
- 45:11Speaker 2: read the script and you know, like this is kind
- 45:14Speaker 2: of awards fodder, Like this is we take a swing
- 45:17Speaker 2: on it and.
- 45:18Speaker 3: Or has important messages we watched you know yeah yeah,
- 45:23Speaker 3: uh well, while it was at the two thousand and
- 45:25Speaker 3: four Toronto International Film Festival, Lionsgate bought the distribution rights
- 45:29Speaker 3: for four million dollars. Dang.
- 45:33Speaker 4: Also, when's the last time Lionsgate has been in an awards?
- 45:38Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing.
- 45:40Speaker 3: It's a bit a hot minute.
- 45:41Speaker 4: I saw that, like what was it LGF Lionsgate film
- 45:43Speaker 4: or something pop up when I first started watching them, like,
- 45:45Speaker 4: oh my this I thought they only did saw.
- 45:49Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say, What is the
- 45:53Speaker 2: last good movie that lions Gate put?
- 45:55Speaker 4: Now they may have made a good movie, I just
- 45:56Speaker 4: don't think it's been in awards.
- 46:00Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Uh Den of Thieves hell yeah, Okay,
- 46:05Speaker 2: those are wait that's a film series. Oh they did
- 46:08Speaker 2: the Hunger Games movies and the Twilight movies.
- 46:12Speaker 3: So they're they're they're doing all right and financially.
- 46:14Speaker 4: John Wick, oh yeah, John Wick, Doug, Yeah, they do,
- 46:19Speaker 4: so they've got the ok.
- 46:21Speaker 2: Sorry sorry lions they were bad. They were associated with
- 46:26Speaker 2: La La Land. Damn my bad bad that did not
- 46:34Speaker 2: respect your game. Dang, y'all like good yeah.
- 46:38Speaker 3: Uh so Crash was shot in only thirty six days,
- 46:42Speaker 3: which kind of helps that six and a half million
- 46:44Speaker 3: dollar budget. But they did have to take two weeks
- 46:47Speaker 3: off because uh director Paul Hages suffered a heart attack
- 46:52Speaker 3: during filming.
- 46:53Speaker 4: Oh my god, he guilty.
- 46:57Speaker 3: He refused, yeah, the kill to the White Man. True.
- 47:00Speaker 3: He refused to let anyone else finish directing the film,
- 47:03Speaker 3: and so production was delayed for two weeks while he recovered.
- 47:07Speaker 2: My god, what a weird spot to be in, though,
- 47:09Speaker 2: because like, I mean, what would you do if they
- 47:14Speaker 2: wanted to keep filming without you? Like, you gotta get
- 47:18Speaker 2: this done. I mean, do you have guess.
- 47:21Speaker 4: They didn't care. Lionsgates said, hey, we got Soft six
- 47:24Speaker 4: going on. You can do whatever you want.
- 47:26Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 47:27Speaker 4: No, wonder they won the Oscar. What a story to tell?
- 47:31Speaker 2: What would the movie have looked like?
- 47:33Speaker 4: I mean, would you like, yeah, Zack Snyder, Yeah, Zach,
- 47:41Speaker 4: I guarantee you, Roger, I guarantee you. Sandra Bullock ain't
- 47:44Speaker 4: falling down those stairs. She probably shoot laser beams out
- 47:47Speaker 4: of her eyes. Yeah that's true, Grass, one of them.
- 47:52Speaker 3: Michael Orr comes and picks her up off the off
- 47:55Speaker 3: the stairs, and.
- 47:56Speaker 4: It's like a reverse blind Side exactly, and then for
- 47:59Speaker 4: so reason, Brendan Fraser has just turned into Tim mcgrawl. Yeah,
- 48:04Speaker 4: same character, same name.
- 48:06Speaker 2: By the way, the blind Side comes out two years later, right, and.
- 48:10Speaker 4: Is not directed by Zack Snyder.
- 48:13Speaker 2: Nobody knows what is happening, right, Actually.
- 48:16Speaker 4: If it's happening in Crash, they're gonna think, oh my god,
- 48:19Speaker 4: that black man got their key from the house. He's
- 48:21Speaker 4: robbing them. Yeah, that's how that would play.
- 48:26Speaker 3: Lasater.
- 48:27Speaker 2: We get the sequel, The blind Side, and she's got
- 48:30Speaker 2: blonde hair and country as hell knocked her rofter out
- 48:37Speaker 2: and she woke up, so.
- 48:38Speaker 4: She divorced Brendan Fraser because she didn't know who he
- 48:41Speaker 4: was and went for the guy that sings down on
- 48:43Speaker 4: the farm.
- 48:45Speaker 3: But but the movie has more money because they decided
- 48:47Speaker 3: to film in Atlanta instead of Memphis.
- 48:49Speaker 4: Exactly, And oh it's about football classic no wonder. The
- 48:55Speaker 4: real Michael Orr is like, this doesn't make This isn't
- 48:58Speaker 4: my life.
- 48:59Speaker 2: We should have jobs in Hollywood, Yeah, making.
- 49:02Speaker 4: Movies unless a movie forty three got made, So tell
- 49:05Speaker 4: me we can't come up with something better than that.
- 49:08Speaker 3: Yeah, the Sobros Film can definitely get made. If movie
- 49:12Speaker 3: for forty three was made exactly this. This is a
- 49:15Speaker 3: weird little tibit. This is one crashes, one of two
- 49:18Speaker 3: Best Picture winners whose title only had one syllable.
- 49:22Speaker 2: One syllable.
- 49:23Speaker 3: Oh huh, and it's a film I guarantee you the
- 49:28Speaker 3: three of us have probably never heard of, definitely have
- 49:30Speaker 3: never seen, and that would be nineteen twenty seven's Wings. M.
- 49:36Speaker 4: Well, I've heard of it only because of the well
- 49:39Speaker 4: Academy history part, but no, I have never I have
- 49:42Speaker 4: not seen it.
- 49:43Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard of it.
- 49:44Speaker 5: So yeah, no, uh, but congrat Yeah, congrats to them
- 49:51Speaker 5: and to the soul remaining person alive from nineteen twenty
- 49:55Speaker 5: seven Wings.
- 49:56Speaker 2: I guess yeah.
- 49:57Speaker 3: I doubt anybody's alive still from that thing.
- 49:59Speaker 4: They're by now by January twenty twenty six. Trust me,
- 50:03Speaker 4: something got them, no health care, no nothing, something got them.
- 50:06Speaker 3: Yeah, unless they're living in Canada.
- 50:09Speaker 4: Oh you didn't hear it's gone?
- 50:11Speaker 3: Oh first fifty.
- 50:13Speaker 4: First states is gone. Yeah, now the fifty first state
- 50:17Speaker 4: is Egypt. I thought you guys read the news.
- 50:20Speaker 3: Not to pull back the curtain. When do we record this?
- 50:22Speaker 3: But what if in January some shit like this is
- 50:25Speaker 3: gone down?
- 50:26Speaker 2: Actually that's always the risk you run.
- 50:28Speaker 3: It is.
- 50:30Speaker 4: I want to go on record by saying, I hope
- 50:32Speaker 4: none of this is real.
- 50:34Speaker 2: Yeah, real, Yeah Tooche, it's funny now. It's funny now,
- 50:38Speaker 2: but we might not be laughing in January.
- 50:40Speaker 3: No, true, what is real? That this was included in
- 50:44Speaker 3: the book one thousand and one Movies You Must See
- 50:47Speaker 3: Before you Die.
- 50:50Speaker 2: I would agree with that.
- 50:52Speaker 4: It's the same thing in Oscars ninety eight years you,
- 50:56Speaker 4: I mean shit, and you will see all best Picture
- 50:58Speaker 4: winners anyway.
- 50:59Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 50:59Speaker 3: True.
- 51:00Speaker 4: Isn't that the goal? I think that's the goal when
- 51:02Speaker 4: you're born, When you're born.
- 51:03Speaker 2: That's what I tell you.
- 51:05Speaker 3: I would love to go through the and see how
- 51:07Speaker 3: many I've actually seen.
- 51:08Speaker 2: Me too, out of a list, and see how many
- 51:11Speaker 2: you've seen. I've seen like twelve.
- 51:15Speaker 3: So I've probably am not much more much higher than
- 51:19Speaker 3: you are. When it comes to that.
- 51:20Speaker 4: I'd say nineties into two thousands, I'm probably pretty good.
- 51:24Speaker 4: We start getting into these thirties, forties, fifties six, that's
- 51:27Speaker 4: that's where I'm you know now. Some because of these podcasts,
- 51:31Speaker 4: I've been able to watch and stuff. But I but yeah,
- 51:34Speaker 4: there's quite a there was quite a few. The New
- 51:36Speaker 4: York Times did something last year where it was like
- 51:39Speaker 4: the one hundred greatest movies ranked, and then you chose
- 51:43Speaker 4: how many you saw, like how many you've seen? I
- 51:45Speaker 4: have seen like ninety three, and a lot of them
- 51:48Speaker 4: were actually quite like relevant, like been alive since they've
- 51:53Speaker 4: come out. Well maybe you know what, Maybe now I'm
- 51:57Speaker 4: starting to think because I didn't see certain films, maybe
- 52:00Speaker 4: it was the best hundred movies of like since the
- 52:03Speaker 4: two thousands. Okay, because I'm starting to think I didn't
- 52:06Speaker 4: see Yeah, I know a lot of those like Gone.
- 52:09Speaker 4: But the way I didn't see a lot of those.
- 52:11Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. People posted their
- 52:13Speaker 2: little pictures. Yeah of the movies. That scene, Yeah, that
- 52:16Speaker 2: was just from two thousand, was it?
- 52:18Speaker 4: Okay? Man, No wonder I was nailing those, and I'm
- 52:21Speaker 4: really nailing them.
- 52:24Speaker 2: Uh.
- 52:24Speaker 3: In the years following the release of Crash, Uh, Paul
- 52:28Speaker 3: Hags has admitted that his film did not deserve to
- 52:31Speaker 3: win the Academy Award for Best Picture over the much
- 52:34Speaker 3: war acclaim Broke Back Mountain.
- 52:36Speaker 2: Yeah, even he knows it. That's not gonna make us
- 52:38Speaker 2: forget the out.
- 52:39Speaker 4: Right right Paul. And also how convenient after you have
- 52:42Speaker 4: two oscars or three oscars.
- 52:45Speaker 3: Good for you back to back now that.
- 52:47Speaker 4: I've won everything, Just so y'all know they chose the
- 52:49Speaker 4: wrong movie.
- 52:52Speaker 2: That Bart Simpson.
- 52:55Speaker 3: Nelson that.
- 53:00Speaker 4: Maybe that's how we lapsed.
- 53:01Speaker 3: Yeah, all the way to the bank. Uh this Yeah,
- 53:08Speaker 3: you may or may not know this, but this was
- 53:10Speaker 3: the first Best Picture winner to be released on the
- 53:14Speaker 3: then newly introduced Blu ray format.
- 53:18Speaker 2: Nice Blu ray's been around that long.
- 53:22Speaker 4: Yes, now it's nothing now it's thrown in with the
- 53:27Speaker 4: four k's for most part.
- 53:28Speaker 2: That's the only reason I buy four k's.
- 53:33Speaker 4: One day, when you get a four K, you've got them,
- 53:35Speaker 4: and the Blu rays play on there too.
- 53:37Speaker 2: So I'll have Oppenheimer an American movie for.
- 53:40Speaker 4: My forte No, you got you just bought another four
- 53:44Speaker 4: K that. I don't think you knew it was four K.
- 53:47Speaker 2: I didn't know that's American movie. No, I thought, I
- 53:51Speaker 2: will think and got the four K.
- 53:52Speaker 4: I know, but there's one where you bought it danger Zone,
- 53:55Speaker 4: And I said, oh, is that the four K And
- 53:57Speaker 4: then you said yeah, civil War? Civil War that No,
- 54:00Speaker 4: I thought it was Son of Mask with Jamie Kennedy.
- 54:04Speaker 4: When's that turned twenty one.
- 54:06Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question.
- 54:08Speaker 3: I'll never ever tell this. Uh. This was also the
- 54:15Speaker 3: last Academy Award winning film to be released on VHS.
- 54:19Speaker 4: Huh my god, right there, first Blu Ray, last VHS.
- 54:24Speaker 2: Yeah, dang, love to see it. What a moment in time,
- 54:28Speaker 2: What a moment.
- 54:31Speaker 3: Lionsgate spent two million dollars to promote the film to
- 54:35Speaker 3: Academy members in the run up to the Oscars voting.
- 54:37Speaker 4: Well, they also had Paul have a heart attack on set,
- 54:40Speaker 4: so they could run with that too, like.
- 54:41Speaker 2: Hey, we're gonna we need to do something.
- 54:43Speaker 4: Brother, Oh, we got we got to do something. Have
- 54:45Speaker 4: you seen this gay cowboy movie. We've got to do something.
- 54:50Speaker 4: Come here, we've got to do take all these pills.
- 54:57Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll give you two weeks.
- 55:00Speaker 2: Get two weeks to recover, and we won't even get
- 55:02Speaker 2: another director.
- 55:03Speaker 4: That's right. We'll say we should have, but you were
- 55:06Speaker 4: too tough.
- 55:08Speaker 3: I've got some fun facts about Tandy Newton here in
- 55:11Speaker 3: her role. She was Paul Haggis's first choice for her character,
- 55:17Speaker 3: and I'm curious if he had. Yeah, she was phenomenal
- 55:20Speaker 3: and she's easy on the eyes as well, So I'm
- 55:23Speaker 3: wondering if, Like during rehearsal, Paul Hagas is like, Hey, Matt,
- 55:27Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you how I want this scene to
- 55:29Speaker 3: go and decides to clam dive with Tandy Newton in rehearsals.
- 55:35Speaker 4: Who he did that? No, I'm saying, my god, I
- 55:41Speaker 4: thought you were reading a note saying you did. I'm like,
- 55:43Speaker 4: that's how we had an art attack.
- 55:45Speaker 3: I'm saying Paul Hages's first choice for the character. I'm
- 55:51Speaker 3: thinking maybe she he was a little sweet on her.
- 55:54Speaker 3: It was joking saying.
- 55:56Speaker 4: That's the beginning of these allegations.
- 55:58Speaker 2: Yeah, no, sorry, I just blue snot all over my microphone.
- 56:02Speaker 2: So we had a bit of a situation.
- 56:03Speaker 4: I swear to god, I thought like he was showing
- 56:06Speaker 4: Matt Dillon.
- 56:10Speaker 3: I was saying that I would say what if? Maybe
- 56:13Speaker 3: maybe that's why he cast He wanted that.
- 56:15Speaker 4: Would make a cool what if show on that Marble.
- 56:25Speaker 2: Too Far.
- 56:28Speaker 4: Has been in a lot more stuff than I remember.
- 56:30Speaker 2: She's great, man.
- 56:31Speaker 4: I also like I do and and I think, what
- 56:34Speaker 4: was it Westworld? Is that one that was one of
- 56:36Speaker 4: the big shows on kind of brought her back, But
- 56:39Speaker 4: I remember her in there was some boring Mark Wahlberg
- 56:42Speaker 4: movie that was a remake Something Charlie, Truth About the
- 56:48Speaker 4: Truth About Charlie Charlie Wilson's That's.
- 56:51Speaker 3: A good one anyway.
- 56:54Speaker 4: Okay, so Paul did not really do that.
- 56:57Speaker 3: That I'm aware of.
- 56:58Speaker 4: No, that's fair enough.
- 57:00Speaker 3: She did, through this film become the eighth person to
- 57:04Speaker 3: win the BAFTA Award for Best Supporting Actress without having
- 57:08Speaker 3: ever been nominated for an Academy Award.
- 57:12Speaker 4: So she could have been in a Supporting Actress conversation.
- 57:15Speaker 3: Yeah, and possibly I would say deserving. I don't have
- 57:19Speaker 3: those nominees or the winner in front of me from
- 57:21Speaker 3: the Academy Awards that year. But I thought her performance
- 57:24Speaker 3: was amazing.
- 57:25Speaker 4: Hurry, Matt Dillon were the standouts.
- 57:27Speaker 2: I just I saw her not too long ago in something.
- 57:30Speaker 2: I think it was when she played Condolleza Rice in
- 57:33Speaker 2: w Oh.
- 57:35Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I forgot about that.
- 57:37Speaker 2: Oh she's in Rock and Roller too.
- 57:39Speaker 4: I'm telling you, She's in a lot of stuff.
- 57:42Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 57:42Speaker 3: Yeah. Sadly, this movie we talked about almost made one
- 57:48Speaker 3: hundred million dollars, but it is in fact the lowest
- 57:51Speaker 3: grossing Best Picture OSCAR winner since the Last Emperor in
- 57:55Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven.
- 57:57Speaker 2: Dang, oh, I ain't never even heard of that movie.
- 58:00Speaker 4: I heard of it.
- 58:02Speaker 3: It's what's his name? From American psycho Christian First. That's
- 58:09Speaker 3: his first film. Yeah, he was baby, a little baby. Yep,
- 58:13Speaker 3: all right, So I've got a few things left. We'll
- 58:15Speaker 3: do a little Koda would have should have here in
- 58:17Speaker 3: just a second. But with only a budget of the
- 58:20Speaker 3: six million dollars or six and a half million dollars
- 58:23Speaker 3: for the film, uh and And director Paul Hages was
- 58:26Speaker 3: adamant about filming in la instead of Toronto or other
- 58:29Speaker 3: places that would be more cost effective. In order to
- 58:33Speaker 3: keep that budget low and make everybody happy, he had
- 58:35Speaker 3: to cut the cost by using his own house for scenes,
- 58:39Speaker 3: and even his own car and other scenes. Yes, his car,
- 58:47Speaker 3: and the notes I saw it said, but I don't
- 58:50Speaker 3: remember off damn it. I didn't really think I would
- 58:53Speaker 3: get that question.
- 58:53Speaker 4: Yeah, the one that.
- 58:56Speaker 3: It was the cop car? You know, he used one
- 58:58Speaker 3: of the cop.
- 58:58Speaker 4: I honestly, I felt like it was, uh maybe the
- 59:02Speaker 4: one that Terrence Howard's in and they end up stealing
- 59:06Speaker 4: and I feel like it's an suv.
- 59:08Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
- 59:10Speaker 3: So before we get to our Mount Rushmore question, we
- 59:13Speaker 3: got a little kudda would have should us? So? The
- 59:17Speaker 3: role of the TV director, which is a small little
- 59:19Speaker 3: role at the beginning of the film, was originally offered
- 59:23Speaker 3: to Force Whitaker, but he turned it down so he
- 59:28Speaker 3: could film First Daughter with Katie Holmes.
- 59:32Speaker 4: Yes, wow, yes, cause someone looked this up. How many
- 59:36Speaker 4: Oscars did that get nominated?
- 59:38Speaker 2: Yes?
- 59:39Speaker 3: Please, I don't think I have to look that one
- 59:41Speaker 3: up to give you that answer. Their Uh. And then
- 59:45Speaker 3: before before Ryan Phillippi signed on, Uh, there was another
- 59:51Speaker 3: actor in talks of playing the role of Hansen, who
- 59:57Speaker 3: went on to be a an Academy Award winn and
- 1:00:01Speaker 3: is and is no longer with us.
- 1:00:05Speaker 4: He is an Oscar winner and he's passed.
- 1:00:08Speaker 2: Yeah, Heath Ledger.
- 1:00:11Speaker 4: I was gonna say it couldn't be Phillips.
- 1:00:16Speaker 2: That would have been great though.
- 1:00:18Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 1:00:18Speaker 3: Yeah. Ironically Ledger starred and Broke Back Mountain, the film
- 1:00:23Speaker 3: that lost the Best Picture to Crash in a very
- 1:00:25Speaker 3: controversial decision see by many.
- 1:00:27Speaker 2: And that would have been that would have been something.
- 1:00:31Speaker 4: That would have been something. But I'll be honest, I
- 1:00:33Speaker 4: don't think that. I just don't think that's a big
- 1:00:41Speaker 4: I think to have someone like Heath Ledger, that role
- 1:00:44Speaker 4: needs to be bigger.
- 1:00:46Speaker 2: I was about to say, I don't think that role
- 1:00:48Speaker 2: is big enough for him to really shine in it.
- 1:00:50Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's you only get you only get a
- 1:00:53Speaker 4: little bit at the end.
- 1:00:54Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that character is right for him either.
- 1:00:57Speaker 3: That character is made for somebody like Philippy, where you've
- 1:01:01Speaker 3: kind of got that you know, uh innocence, you know,
- 1:01:04Speaker 3: look in the world, kind of like Ryan Philippi takes
- 1:01:07Speaker 3: takes into that character. Or Heath Ledger would try to
- 1:01:10Speaker 3: be a little edgier with it.
- 1:01:12Speaker 4: Yeah, he probably would have made Matt Dillon look like
- 1:01:14Speaker 4: Ryan Phillippy. That's probably what would have happened. It probably
- 1:01:18Speaker 4: would have gone real dark.
- 1:01:20Speaker 3: Tandy Newton might have liked it better.
- 1:01:21Speaker 4: Who would have told Lawrence Tate you know how I
- 1:01:23Speaker 4: got these scars?
- 1:01:25Speaker 3: Did you say, Lawrence Tate?
- 1:01:27Speaker 4: Yeah? What's his name?
- 1:01:29Speaker 3: Laurn?
- 1:01:30Speaker 4: I put an a in there.
- 1:01:32Speaker 3: You put some other syllables as well, sir.
- 1:01:36Speaker 4: How I got these scars?
- 1:01:38Speaker 2: Well done? Well done?
- 1:01:41Speaker 3: And then lastly, the uh Brendan Fraser was not the
- 1:01:46Speaker 3: original choice for the role of the District Attorney Rick Cabot.
- 1:01:50Speaker 2: I can see that.
- 1:01:50Speaker 4: Yeah, he was doing Looney Tunes back in action. Who
- 1:01:52Speaker 4: had time?
- 1:01:55Speaker 2: Uh take a guess at this one?
- 1:01:59Speaker 4: Did you ask?
- 1:02:01Speaker 3: That's where we were headed? That's where I was headed.
- 1:02:03Speaker 4: Yes, So Brendan Fraser was not the first one.
- 1:02:07Speaker 3: Okay, the original choice, for whatever reason I don't know,
- 1:02:11Speaker 3: didn't take the role.
- 1:02:14Speaker 4: Is he can? I have a hint? Is he in
- 1:02:16Speaker 4: the round the same age?
- 1:02:19Speaker 3: I think no, he's going to be a little older. Honestly,
- 1:02:22Speaker 3: don't know their ages, but I think this person is
- 1:02:24Speaker 3: a little older. This person has been discussed at length
- 1:02:30Speaker 3: throughout the years on this podcast. John Cusack indeed was
- 1:02:34Speaker 3: the original choice for Rick Cabot.
- 1:02:36Speaker 4: Well you know why he didn't do it, why Joan
- 1:02:41Speaker 4: wasn't available. We'll talk about that more.
- 1:02:47Speaker 2: In the next one.
- 1:02:49Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
- 1:02:50Speaker 4: But yeah, look I can see him kind of doing that.
- 1:02:54Speaker 4: But honestly, I don't know. Would Sandra Bullock marry him?
- 1:03:00Speaker 4: I can't.
- 1:03:01Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends.
- 1:03:02Speaker 4: Does he have that like outrageous wig black wig on?
- 1:03:07Speaker 4: Because that can't be as real hair. So I just
- 1:03:11Speaker 4: carry as sir. I make it a mission to pick
- 1:03:15Speaker 4: on John Cusack. We run out of movies, and trust me,
- 1:03:18Speaker 4: we're getting there.
- 1:03:19Speaker 3: We're getting real I think we I think we have
- 1:03:23Speaker 3: maybe two three at tops left. Maybe all right, so
- 1:03:28Speaker 3: Mount Rushword, let's let's take it home. We've talked enough
- 1:03:31Speaker 3: about Crash. I think our favorite Sandra Bullock movies.
- 1:03:37Speaker 2: I think the first two that come to mind for
- 1:03:39Speaker 2: me are Miscongeniality and The blind Side. And I know
- 1:03:45Speaker 2: I've I've rewatched The blind Side in recent years, and
- 1:03:49Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't love that movie, and
- 1:03:53Speaker 2: I know there's been a lot that's come out that
- 1:03:55Speaker 2: it's it's kind of problematic, but I do think it
- 1:03:59Speaker 2: is one of her signature roles. I'm willing to uh
- 1:04:03Speaker 2: to give her, give her that. I'm gonna give one
- 1:04:05Speaker 2: of the spots on my Mount Rushmore to my wife, who,
- 1:04:08Speaker 2: when I presented this question to her pretty much just
- 1:04:11Speaker 2: shouted at the top of her lungs the proposal.
- 1:04:15Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that, It's on my list.
- 1:04:17Speaker 4: I like that one.
- 1:04:18Speaker 2: And I don't know, I honestly don't know that I
- 1:04:21Speaker 2: have a fourth Sandra Bullock movie that I liked. I mean, like,
- 1:04:26Speaker 2: I guess I would put Crash in in that spot
- 1:04:28Speaker 2: because I like Crash, but it's an ensemble and I
- 1:04:32Speaker 2: don't really think that it's like her movie. It's like
- 1:04:35Speaker 2: I liked Bullet Train a lot.
- 1:04:38Speaker 4: Did you see The Lost City?
- 1:04:40Speaker 2: I did not see the Lost City one?
- 1:04:42Speaker 3: And like that.
- 1:04:43Speaker 2: I never saw Speed, I never saw like practical Magic.
- 1:04:48Speaker 2: I wasn't the biggest fan of bird Box. I never
- 1:04:50Speaker 2: even saw The Heat. I never saw Hope Floats, I
- 1:04:55Speaker 2: saw Murder by Numbers.
- 1:04:56Speaker 3: But like, give us your favorite Sandra Bullock movies you
- 1:05:00Speaker 3: I haven't seen.
- 1:05:00Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I could do that Speed Gravity.
- 1:05:05Speaker 4: I would say mine would be Speed, Gravity, Miscongeniality, and
- 1:05:10Speaker 4: The Proposal. I think those are the most fun ones,
- 1:05:13Speaker 4: and I also think she's really good in them. I
- 1:05:15Speaker 4: like The Heat, but I think I like it more
- 1:05:17Speaker 4: because I'm Melissa McCarthy than I do Sandra Bullock. Yeah,
- 1:05:20Speaker 4: the Lost City is a fun one. That's probably her
- 1:05:23Speaker 4: best one in a while. And then I just want
- 1:05:26Speaker 4: to give another shout out because I like the movie.
- 1:05:31Speaker 4: It's dumb, but I do enjoy Two Weeks.
- 1:05:34Speaker 2: Notice I was about to say, yeah, I have seen
- 1:05:36Speaker 2: two Weeks, But if I.
- 1:05:37Speaker 4: Had to put it all in there, I think those
- 1:05:39Speaker 4: those are the four I would go with.
- 1:05:41Speaker 3: At this point, two of my four have been mentioned. Well,
- 1:05:46Speaker 3: actually kind of three of them, but it didn't make
- 1:05:48Speaker 3: the list for you guys. But Speed in the Proposal, definitely.
- 1:05:53Speaker 3: I did enjoy bird Box. I really liked it. So
- 1:05:57Speaker 3: that's on there. And then I have to go with
- 1:06:00Speaker 3: the film that I'm in A Time to Kill. Oh.
- 1:06:04Speaker 2: I liked her. I liked her in that I never
- 1:06:06Speaker 2: saw it.
- 1:06:07Speaker 4: She was good. Well, there you go.
- 1:06:11Speaker 3: Bullock and Samuel L. Jackson and Stephen mccash.
- 1:06:15Speaker 4: And Stephen it's all on the poster. You should see it.
- 1:06:20Speaker 3: It may be it may look handwritten, but my name's there.
- 1:06:23Speaker 2: So let's let's recap these because our conversation, uh spiraled
- 1:06:27Speaker 2: a little bit there. I'm going with miscongeniality, the proposal,
- 1:06:33Speaker 2: the blind Side, and crash.
- 1:06:35Speaker 4: Brandon, I'm going with speed, proposal, miscongeniality and gravity.
- 1:06:42Speaker 3: And so we all have the proposal thanks to Ryan
- 1:06:46Speaker 3: Reynolds and Betty White. Yes, but then I also like
- 1:06:50Speaker 3: Brandon have Speed. And then my two different ones are
- 1:06:53Speaker 3: Time to Kill in bird Box.
- 1:06:54Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, pretty pretty good range there.
- 1:06:59Speaker 4: There's not I'll be honest, there's not. I guess it's
- 1:07:02Speaker 4: because like I think a lot of people still enjoy
- 1:07:04Speaker 4: like the way we are were with Bill Pullman Practical Magic,
- 1:07:09Speaker 4: Hope Floats. I thought for Strew that was gonna be
- 1:07:11Speaker 4: in Ma Caasha's Well.
- 1:07:13Speaker 3: No, my wife as soon as I gave her the question,
- 1:07:16Speaker 3: she just screamed out, while you were sleeping.
- 1:07:18Speaker 4: That's it. While you were sleeping, that's it. Sorry, that's
- 1:07:20Speaker 4: the Bill Pullman wan. So but you know, there's not
- 1:07:24Speaker 4: a lot that like I actually like would consider great,
- 1:07:27Speaker 4: and unfortunately Blindside has kind of diminished over time because
- 1:07:31Speaker 4: I think, one it has an age that great, and
- 1:07:34Speaker 4: then I mean it's like everything that affects it is
- 1:07:37Speaker 4: then it's like, okay, not that movies aren't like, you know,
- 1:07:41Speaker 4: stretch the truth anyway, but because of the of Michael
- 1:07:45Speaker 4: Orr coming out with all this stuff, I'm just like, yeah,
- 1:07:48Speaker 4: I don't know which it probably shouldn't affect the movie
- 1:07:50Speaker 4: because the movie is the movie. And I agree with
- 1:07:53Speaker 4: Stony like it is good. But now I'm like, does
- 1:07:55Speaker 4: she was that like a Jamie Lee Curtis everything everywhere?
- 1:07:58Speaker 4: Like does she win the Oscar? Because you know she's
- 1:08:00Speaker 4: been around for a while. Yeah, I don't know.
- 1:08:03Speaker 2: I will say she does not have a television credit
- 1:08:06Speaker 2: because sometimes you know, these filmographies go sideways, you realize, oh,
- 1:08:10Speaker 2: they stepped over. But television, but her last television credit
- 1:08:14Speaker 2: is nineteen ninety six. Is Muppets Tonight.
- 1:08:16Speaker 4: Hell yeah, she's doing there's some Keanu Reeves. They're getting
- 1:08:21Speaker 4: back together for some kind of thriller thing. And then
- 1:08:24Speaker 4: Practical Magic too is in product her and Nicole Kidman.
- 1:08:27Speaker 2: I got to see Practical Magic.
- 1:08:29Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember it being a fun one.
- 1:08:31Speaker 2: Strikes me as the type of film that I would
- 1:08:33Speaker 2: enjoy see in October.
- 1:08:34Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:08:34Speaker 4: Yeah, but I was kind of surprised on some of
- 1:08:37Speaker 4: the stuff where I'm like, oh, I can't believe you
- 1:08:41Speaker 4: on it mentioned demolition Man.
- 1:08:42Speaker 2: Demolition Man she was in.
- 1:08:44Speaker 4: Did you see that?
- 1:08:45Speaker 2: No? I never saw it.
- 1:08:46Speaker 4: Okay, let's go home.
- 1:08:49Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do go ho. Gentlemen, before we get out
- 1:08:52Speaker 3: of here, you want to tell these fine folks how
- 1:08:54Speaker 3: they can find you on the internet.
- 1:08:55Speaker 2: At Stony Keeley on Twitter, at silbrose Network everywhere, Nashville
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- 1:09:04Speaker 2: the Inbox dot com and uh yeah that's it.
- 1:09:08Speaker 4: Uh, mine's Twitter at Sir Brandon V and Sir Brandon
- 1:09:12Speaker 4: on letterboxed.
- 1:09:14Speaker 3: And for me on Twitter, it's at mc underscore Cash
- 1:09:18Speaker 3: seventy five letterbox. Just simply Stephen mccash and cheers to
- 1:09:23Speaker 3: another episode of Drinking With, where we've explored the films
- 1:09:25Speaker 3: that have come of age is like a fine wine.
- 1:09:28Speaker 3: As we raise our glasses to movies turning twenty one,
- 1:09:30Speaker 3: we've laughed, reminisced, and maybe even shed a tear two
- 1:09:34Speaker 3: over the timeless classics. Definitely didn't shed a teer two
- 1:09:36Speaker 3: on Crash, but maybe next month. So until next time,
- 1:09:40Speaker 3: may or drinks be cold, your conversations lively, and your
- 1:09:42Speaker 3: movie nights unforgettable. Drink responsibly, and remember age is just
- 1:09:46Speaker 3: a number, but great films are forever. Most importantly, subscribe
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- 1:09:53Speaker 3: about the show, and let us know what movie that's
- 1:09:55Speaker 3: turning twenty one years old that you would like us
- 1:09:57Speaker 3: to discuss. So until next time, we'll see you then,
- 1:10:00Speaker 3: because I have to return some videotapes