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Has The CFL Become A Bit of a Retirement Home?-The CFL Outsiders S03 E15 · The CFL Outsiders

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  Hey kids, welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain as always here 100% impartial,
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  completely unbiased, and wishing we could see some good football.
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  Host Old Man Shouting at Clouds.
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  Joining me this week, as usual,
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  is MJ. How's the week been
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  hey.
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  MJ?
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  Yeah, it's good. You know, I'm off the bye and ready to dive right in.
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  Good. Good stuff. Well, it's great to have you back.
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  we had Oz Davis step in last week as a guest panelist to to get through
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  j not being just my boring old monotone.
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  So thanks to Oz for that. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it.
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  It was unique. I'd heard Oz for years but never met him and I it
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  was mentioned to you in the pre show talk here.
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  I g you gave me a nice
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  Off air a nice little lesson in Hungary and a lot of the stuff.
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  Including I found out that the the darling of the CFL,
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  Xander Horvath, I got the whole what what do they call?
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  I can't even think of the proper the word history of his name.
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  Anyway, yes, apparently Horvath is not just a surname,
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  it's actually a designation of a people.
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  If you are a Croatian living in Hungary,
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  you're a Horvath. According to Oz at least.
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  I'm
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  Taken that as as told
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  Well, I honestly I was worried you guys gonna pull a Shamar Bridges on
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  me and I'm gonna back on the active roster and then get cut.
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  So here I am.
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  Yeah, well, could could have happened,
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  but no, no. Your performance has been too good.
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  Too good.
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  we were waiting to get you back in.
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  So here here we go. Not not a lot of news this week.
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  The ~ Red Blacks continue their purge.
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  They got w rid of their president last week and will be announcing
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  a new president sometime between now and infinity.
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  and
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  This week, after saying that there would be no more large moves after getting
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  rid of the president, they got rid of their VP of football operations,
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  Sean Burke, who was the de facto GM.
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  And then they turned around and brought in Jim Popp as a football consultant.
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  Any thoughts on those moves,
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  MJ?
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  Well the president okay, I this makes sense because they he was also
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  the president of the sixty sevens and most CFL teams do not have
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  a president running two organizations and clubs,
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  Sean Burke, ~ he's gotta wear a lot of this.
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  I will give him a pass on Mazzoli because what happened to Mazzoli was
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  not on him and honestly I think that it it's too bad because I think
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  he could have just really been something great for the Red Blacks,
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  but ~ but everything else is kinda on Sean.
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  And Jim Pop is ~ the man myth legend,
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  right? Like ~ I don't hate this.
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  It sounds like he's just temporary until like he's s I'm gonna supervise them hiring
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  a president and GM and like help Ryan with some roster stuff and that that makes
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  sense to me. you you can't pull somebody in that's younger with not
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  a lot of experience in a situation like this.
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  I feel like you just kinda it's kinda like I think the Stampeders
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  did this with Wally Bono.
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  Or maybe it was the elks. Somebody did.
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  But I it's just a s it's a similar situation where I think you just need
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  ~ someone who's been in the the industry for a million years.
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  Okay, let's just all take a deep breath.
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  Let's just figure this out and like make a path to move forward,
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  instead of just rushing to hire somebody new who's and then just like more
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  ~ not to say that somebody new would like would make more mistakes,
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  but I think you just need some calmness and some leadership right now.
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  Yes, I agree with that. I think it was the Elk that brought ~ Wally Bueno
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  in to consult and building their new team.
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  And that's how this has been presented with Pop.
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  He'll be there to help them with some personal decisions,
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  but basically to advise on how they rebuild their leadership structure.
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  Which I think is a good idea.
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  But I think it's also worth noting and I this I'm going by my memory here,
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  so I could be off on a little bit of it.
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  But I think the last three or four years that Pop was in the league,
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  he wasn't leading any winning teams.
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  I think the most success he had later on was that year in Toronto where they went
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  nine and nine and then managed to pull off the playoffs.
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  So you know, it's similar to what they did what Toronto did with with Huffnagel and
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  Isn't
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  Barker back there too? Yeah, like they got the old guys there too.
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  And Jim Barker. Yeah, and that so it's just kinda but Yeah.
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  But at some point, you know, how much do you keep retreading?
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  the Red Blacks have reestablished that they're committed to Ryan Dinwiddie and
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  I wish them luck. It's a broken organization and hopefully they
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  can figure out something to turn it around.
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  their fans definitely deserve better.
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  I ~
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  Hundred percent.
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  for for seven minutes on the weekend I thought,
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  hey, maybe the Red Blacks are a football team.
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  Yes,
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  that first seven minutes of that that first quarter was glorious.
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  Yes. Yes. I
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  I was sitting here thinking everybody gave me so much hassle
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  for being adventurous on my power ranking last week and for seven minutes
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  I was thinking somebody's gonna be redempted but no.
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  well. We'll talk about more of that later when we get to power rankings.
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  Yeah.
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  You also wanted us to cover off this is a bit more of a serious topic,
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  but it's something that I think we need to keep in mind.
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  There's been a recent study come out into the effects of concussions,
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  head injuries and CTE.
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  Right, it came out today in the BMJ journal.
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  There was a study done on ~ NFL players who had passed away between twenty sixteen
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  and twenty twenty one, whose families had donated their brains to CTE study.
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  And what they found, ~ this is not good news.
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  It's not good news. You're gonna have to hear it anyway.
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  that one in four they figure based on what they are finding.
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  I mean, I'm not gonna go into all the findings,
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  like the the studies out there,
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  there's lots of
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  news articles about it, but they basically what they figured was that
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  one in four former NFL players has evidence of CT at their time of death
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  who died between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty one.
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  the conservative estimate is about twenty five percent of NFL players have CT.
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  The high estimate is in the nineties percentile.
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  They said six in ten of the NFL brain donors with CTE met criteria for dementia,
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  and like nine in ten of them had CTE.
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  And that's tough to hear.
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  It is.
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  It's tough to hear. so I mean it's not just football,
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  it's not just football. Like there's a lot of talk within soccer about heading
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  the ball, and that's a high CT risk as well.
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  I mean hockey has this issue, rugby.
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  but I was thinking about this when two weeks ago,
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  I got to actually watch a game with my dad before my sister and I went on our trip,
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  but I got to watch the Lions and Calgary game with my dad and my mom.
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  And Vernon Adams was laying on the ground unconscious.
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  While they pan out, Mills is being taken off with a concussion.
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  Yeah.
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  And I sometimes I sit and I think to myself,
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  what are we even doing here?
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  I don't know. I I really have a tough time sometimes because I love football.
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  I love it. But sometimes I wonder if I am contributing to this problem
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  by paying money to watch this happen.
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  I don't know.
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  sports is gonna have to figure something else figure something out because this this
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  just can't keep happening. I thought about like Arlan Bruce and all the
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  the crap he got for trying to like sue the league for his CT and then everyone like
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  laughed him off and here we are.
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  Yes.
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  I yeah, and it it is difficult to hear.
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  I mean there's I don't know how you play football without some concussions.
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  I don't think that you can get away from it.
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  So if the game's going to be there,
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  it's going to be part of it. There's also I think that
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  I don't know where the the numbers are.
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  Is it twenty-five? Is it ninety percent?
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  It could be ninety percent. I'm just in the interest of fairness,
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  not defending the sport at all,
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  but in the interest of fairness,
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  we tend to see the brains donated of people that their family feels like there
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  was something wrong with them.
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  And so that can skew it to a higher number.
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  But even if it's ten percent, nobody should have to go through that
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  for playing a sport. And frankly,
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  I think you can play football without the numbers in that range.
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  Probably like you can play soccer and hockey and get the numbers down too.
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  But you can't do it through rule changes.
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  You've got to do it through an attitude change or else in my opinion on this,
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  give a lot more discretion to the referees on penalizing and being serious about
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  furthering on those penalties.
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  Because one of the things that I see is we keep talking player safety.
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  And we keep talking about how it that's the most important thing out there.
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  And yet we continually get these situations where quarterbacks run,
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  they slide and take a late hit,
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  and everybody goes, well, they didn't slide in time.
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  How's the defender supposed to stop himself?
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  And yet somehow every one of those defenders that can't redirect their body
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  at all still manages to slam a shoulder or an elbow or a helmet into
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  the quarterback's head. And the same thing with tackles coming across.
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  People ear holding still happens.
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  As long as we allow that to to go on and the and frankly,
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  I have little doubt that there's a lot of coaches out there that still teach that
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  as a defensive style. If you can knock a player out of the game,
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  you're helping your team. You know,
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  you don't want to injure him, but if you can put him out for the game,
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  we're
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  We're not that long, maybe ten,
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  fifteen years removed from when we had the scandal down in the NFL with
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  the Saints and their DC paying a bounty on injuring star players.
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  So it's part of the culture and they can either get smart and change it,
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  or the game will eventually just wear itself out.
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  People
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  I don't know, I've lost faith in good people the way the world's gone the last two,
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  three years, but I honestly believe people won't keep putting up forever with this
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  where where human beings are paying far too high a toll just to entertain us.
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  And yes, they get a lot of money for it.
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  So, you know, put it back to a referee's judgment call and don't say,
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  you know, it's a hit to the head that does this or it's a hit to
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  you know, whatever or it's an intentional thing,
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  just put a rule in there that any official can say,
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  I think someone attempted a high head hit there.
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  It's a penalty. it's not reviewable and I don't have to justify it.
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  It's just there. And fans will scream and yell,
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  but if you start doing that and you do it enough,
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  then defenses will stop teaching their players to hit that way.
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  Because if you're continually taking fifteen yard penalties
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  And you're c and as a star defensive player or any defensive player,
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  when you do something stupid like that,
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  it's a fifteen yarder and you're gone for the rest of the game and maybe another
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  one if we're serious about it.
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  That will change stuff. Because in my opinion,
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  the only way you get away from targeting the head is make it too costly
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  to target the head. And we haven't done that yet as a I maybe not we,
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  but the sports. The NFL, the C F L,
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  the UFL.
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  Haven't done that yet.
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  Yeah.
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  You think about how hockey used to be.
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  It was basically a boxing match on ice and it's not so much anymore.
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  It's moved away from that and I mean they used to not wear helmets either.
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  So I mean sports need to evolve and change.
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  I think maybe, in my opinion, I wonder if in twenty years from like even
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  ten years from now the you can't hit the quarterback.
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  Like you can't touch the quarterback.
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  Yeah. Or is if you Yeah.
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  Or maybe the
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  quarterback's not allowed to cross the line of scrimmage anymore.
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  Yeah,
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  maybe maybe something like that.
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  Maybe it becomes something like there is a a c a sensor on
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  the quarterback's chest that you have to slap and he's down for a sack.
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  Yeah. But I mean
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  Something like
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  we come to watch quarterbacks throw.
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  Yes.
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  I'm not there to watch a quarterbacks unconscious on the field.
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  That's not
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  No. Or any player. Yeah.
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  Or any player. And no no
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  player needs to be injured for entertainment.
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  I don't know. There's a there's gotta be a better way.
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  There's a I mean it's getting better,
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  but there's is there room for improvement?
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  It's true. I was talking to my husband about this and I was like,
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  this is like, you know, there's a lot of a next man up mentality.
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  And if you won't do it, then someone else will.
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  So there's five guys that want your job.
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  Don't you dare complain about working conditions or pl player safety because someone
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  else will do.
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  the players association does have some onus on this.
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  They're gonna have to be really serious,
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  and ownership needs to be more serious.
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  But until the NFL really changes things,
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  I don't think I don't see a lot changing in the UFL or CFL to be quite honest.
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  Yeah. No, not unless
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  there's there's a huge lawsuit that somehow comes across.
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  I I don't get it and yeah, and and I and frankly I don't have the answers.
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  because even the refs don't seem to have this criteria
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  of player safety firm in their their minds.
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  I mean it's become almost a a rote sort
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  of thing where we saw
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  Reggie Stubblefield on at least one occasion reach out and put his hand
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  on the back of a player's jersey without grasping it.
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  Didn't pull him backwards, didn't do anything,
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  but his hand slapped the back of the jersey and it was a fifteen yard horse collar
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  tackle where
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  There was no more intent or a chance to injure than anything else.
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  And then a few plays later we've got a Hamilton receiver coming across
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  the middle defenseless, catches the ball without jumping,
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  as the rule says, and a Toronto defender comes down and takes him out at the ankles,
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  which is exactly the description that was put in a year and a half,
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  two years ago for to prevent that's not a head injury,
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  but it prevents those serious knee injuries.
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  And they just let it go.
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  'Cause well I guess you can't call everything.
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  But if you don't call everything people get hurt.
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  I think part of the reason too is that ~ CFL officials' friends
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  are not full-time employees. This is their side gig.
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  Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And yes.
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  Like so if you want to
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  But
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  take it seriously, you need to be officiating needs to be taken more seriously.
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  Well yeah,
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  I'll give you that, that it it's harder when it is a side hustle,
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  but it's also they take their direction from the league on on what's going
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  to be emphasized, what's going to be called,
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  and what's not going to be called.
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  And if the league was came out and said,
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  the going forward we are serious on player safety,
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  we are going to call all of these things no tolerance,
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  they would call it. But the league is afraid to do that because the game will
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  get too many penalties and it'll get too boring
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  Well, for a while
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  Players learn pretty fast.
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  they do. They do. Anyway, hopefully there's some answer.
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  Maybe there you know, there may also Yeah.
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  Yeah Wida sorry for bringing the party down friends
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  but it's reality Yeah.
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  Well it's reality and it gets in our life,
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  unfortunately.
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  Yeah. But you know, there may still be some improvements in the technology,
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  in what they can do with the helmets,
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  but even that,
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  there's a lot of different ways for a concussion to happen and
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  the helmet cannot protect from all of them.
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  ~ let's go on to something a little more ~ a little more upbeat
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  or happy story, which ~ you also mentioned you kinda wanted us to cover
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  the fact that apparently not everybody gets knocked out and injured early 'cause the
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  I want to talk three specific people that are just ~ having a little renaissance
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  in the CFL this year and as a surprise to some of us really.
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  the first one, I'll go from like the three to one.
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  Number three, Malden.
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  Yes. Hell of a game.
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  Malden signed a one-day contract with the
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  Ottawa Red Blacks earlier this year to retire.
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  Then he came out of retirement and signed with the BC Lions.
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  He had two sacks against the Riders.
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  He in four games has six
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  And played well.
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  tackles, two sacks. Just picking up where he left off.
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  He is 33 years old. second is Willie Jefferson,
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  who is 35 years old. He's played 10 games.
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  He has 12 tackles, six.
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  And I couldn't find his knockdown stats,
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  but I assume they're almost the same as his sacks.
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  And then and then our number our number one our number one retiree.
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  Of course. Gemeral
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  my goodness. Sean Lemon is 38 years old.
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  He's played four games. He has nine tackles,
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  six sacks, and one forced fumble.
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  What please please send
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  Yeah. Yeah. Lemon drops are back in the CFL.
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  your workout routine to us? Because
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  Downright a meeting, yeah.
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  what but
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  I just thought, you know what,
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  these these three men are just proven that age is just a number.
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  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know,
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  and they talk about quarterbacks lasting a long time,
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  but it's kinda surprising how many O and D linemen play well into their
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  mid and late thirties and and can play it well.
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  And yeah, I mean it was what, three years ago that Lemon signed
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  mid season with Montreal and everybody said,
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  I don't know if he'll be much impact.
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  He's getting kinda old
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  Someone pointed out that the trick for him is to not go to training camp.
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  Yeah, I'm like
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  Yeah, smart veteran move.
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  just wait till training camp's over and then sign with a team and just go in.
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  Yep. Yep. Yeah, there wa there was a day when when when an awful
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  Very wise, very wise.
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  lot of vets would get a turf toe on the first day of training camp
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  and then suddenly recover going into the actual season.
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  congratulations to all three of them they are all playing very well
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  I was a little surprised that Lemon's doing as well as he is,
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  but I was very impressed by Maldon.
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  From what we saw of him the last that he was with Ottawa and then the
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  bit in Calgary last year, it looked like there was just whatever he'd had was gone.
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  But I don't know I don't think he played in the AFL this year,
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  so maybe he just needed, you know,
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  nine, ten months to get his
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  Yeah.
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  body right again, 'cause
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  One game is a small sample, but he looked damn good.
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  Yes.
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  He looked good.
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  he's on the same team as Matthew Betts and he was they were talking a
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  lot more about Malden than Betts.
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  They were, they were.
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  Anyway, so that's good news. You can survive with this game.
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  Yeah. I wish ~ one of these guys played on my team.
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  Yes.
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  Hmm.
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  Well What else did we have? ~ attendance so we just quickly cover it off.
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  It was actually a very good week.
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  The low was Toronto at almost nineteen thousand.
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  eighteen eight forty two, which was
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  and it was pouring rain.
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  I mean, yes, it was a Tiger Cats,
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  it was a rivalry game, but that was also in a you could die monsoon rainstorm,
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  whatever. And that many people were well,
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  at least bought tickets. I don't know how many of them were
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  Yeah. Well
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  actually out there. It looked on the game like there was a lot there,
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  but but that was a low number.
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  B C was over thirty. That rider bounce again,
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  but
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  and then Edmonton and Montreal were both twenty-two and a half or in that range.
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  And what I found really impressive is of our twelve weeks,
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  this was the fourth highest week that we had in attendance in the league,
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  But it's the first time that the ~ that that's a high number like that
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  has happened where there were no home games in Winnipeg or Saskatchewan.
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  The previous high weeks all had either
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  Winnipeg and Saskatchewan at home or there was one of them had Winnipeg
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  at home and Saskatchewan that game in Edmonton where they opened the upper deck
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  and brought in over thirty. So if we can exclude Winnipeg
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  and Saskatchewan home games and still average what did I say it was twenty three
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  and a half thousand, I think that's good.
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  Bodes well for
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  Great.
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  the league.
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  Anyway, what else? signings. We did actually have some this week.
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  We were joking last week about the fact that we had a practice roster
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  guy as our only signing name. But this week there are a couple that you recognize.
• 20:40
  Just both got announced today.
• 20:42
  Lawrence Wood the Third, who was a returner and I think did some receiving
• 20:46
  for Hamilton is signed with BC,
• 20:48
  and they are short returner right now,
• 20:51
  so that makes sense.
• 20:52
  Dennis McKnight's probably was chomping to get him over there.
• 20:56
  yeah.
• 20:57
  Definitely.
• 20:58
  Yeah.
• 20:59
  If nothing else, someone to lead the windsprints.
• 21:02
  Y'all keep up with Lawrence or you're doing extras.
• 21:02
  Yeah. That's right.
• 21:07
  Yes. And the riders signed Shamar Bridges.
• 21:10
  so I wonder what that means.
• 21:14
  'Cause Keyshawn got bumped a couple of times during that game.
• 21:18
  Johnny Johnson the the third
• 21:21
  I think it was or is it Jalen I forget.
• 21:22
  There's so many Johnsons on that team.
• 21:24
  Anyway, fumbled one and came up looking like he might be a bit hurt.
• 21:28
  So it'll be interesting to see if Bridges is an insurance policy or if he's
• 21:33
  in there somewhere as early as this week,
• 21:35
  because they are struggling at receiver.
• 21:36
  You know, he
• 21:37
  he was the one that he came off the injury practice roster and activated
• 21:41
  to the roster and then the the Ty Cats released him and I was really upset that day.
• 21:45
  was that
• 21:45
  Yeah.
• 21:45
  yesterday that happened? I like,
• 21:46
  What what why? I know he didn't do great last year,
• 21:50
  but like
• 21:50
  Hey, had a good good rookie season and frankly as a rider fan I'll take
• 21:56
  Yeah.
• 21:57
  Well you're lucky. I think both these former TIE cats are gonna do great
• 22:00
  on their new teams. Yep.
• 22:00
  Yep. Yes. You've said before, the secret
• 22:03
  to a Ti cat success is go play for someone else.
• 22:07
  Hundred
• 22:07
  percent.
• 22:08
  All right. I don't even know if I even really want to talk about the games.
• 22:12
  And I mean, yeah, it's the the Saskatchewan loss was disappointing and
• 22:15
  for you the Hamilton one was and and I was thinking you and I should
• 22:20
  be feeling pretty much exactly the same way right now,
• 22:23
  because to my mind, both of those games,
• 22:25
  the teams we cheered for, I don't know if you can say should have won,
• 22:30
  but easily could have won those games if they just stopped shooting themselves
• 22:34
  in the damn foot.
• 22:36
  It
• 22:36
  was very much yes.
• 22:36
  Penalties were an issue.
• 22:40
  Penalties were a definite issue for for both of them.
• 22:43
  we started with Ottawa. Ottawa went to Montreal.
• 22:47
  Where penalties were an issue.
• 22:50
  Yes.
• 22:51
  But for Montreal and it didn't seem to matter.
• 22:52
  for Montreal.
• 22:55
  Montreal had what? They were seven penalties for ninety yards.
• 22:58
  I think Ottawa had like Yes.
• 22:58
  Mostly from Kennedy, I believe.
• 23:01
  Yes. And
• 23:02
  I think Ottawa had like three for twenty yards or something,
• 23:06
  so but it didn't help. And as I joked earlier,
• 23:09
  eight minutes of great well, seven minutes of great football from Ottawa.
• 23:15
  Then a minute of taking four tries to get it in from the one yard line
• 23:18
  and needing a penalty to help them,
• 23:20
  but they got up and got a touchdown.
• 23:22
  Then, you know,
• 23:22
  They did it, they did it.
• 23:24
  it was pretty much field goals from there on.
• 23:27
  Once Montreal woke up, they just they ran over them.
• 23:29
  They passed, they ran, they did whatever they needed to.
• 23:33
  Ento made a nice pick six.
• 23:35
  It was just one of those games.
• 23:36
  Well, you know, Montreal
• 23:37
  And then in the fourth
• 23:39
  went to and out after that first drive by Ottawa and I like
• 23:44
  ho ho Okay. Like we might have a little game brew in here and then no.
• 23:49
  I was excited for a few minutes.
• 23:50
  Like I said, for a brief moment I thought maybe,
• 23:51
  Yeah.
• 23:52
  but No, I don't know. It ended up the kind of game that the fourth quarter
• 23:57
  was MBT against Dustin Crumb and C FL was playing greatest catches
• 24:03
  in C FL history just to try and keep people watching the game.
• 24:08
  Anything else that we should talk about?
• 24:10
  Anything else worth mentioning in there?
• 24:12
  Yeah, Jake Maier shaved his beard.
• 24:14
  I think to try and change the vibe,
• 24:16
  it did not work. the Aloettes,
• 24:18
  their defense had like just like a complete meltdown in penalties,
• 24:21
  and they're lucky they were playing the Red Blacks.
• 24:23
  Because if they had played like that against any other team this year,
• 24:27
  they would have probably been in trouble.
• 24:28
  Kennedy, speaking of helmets and stuff,
• 24:30
  he was like ripping people's helmets off,
• 24:32
  like he was ripping Pimpleton's helmets off.
• 24:34
  I'm like, Why why?
• 24:35
  You don't need to do that. It's r it's Ottawa,
• 24:37
  first of all. Like, cool your jets.
• 24:39
  Like, you're not playing the Elks,
• 24:41
  or you know, it was just, it was weird.
• 24:43
  It had a weird vibe. and then the Ottawa would do some good things.
• 24:47
  Or they would get a break. Because
• 24:49
  Yes.
• 24:49
  Montreal would mess up and like take a stupid penalty.
• 24:53
  And then they would try a deep shot and it would go bad.
• 24:56
  And I'm like, why? You're you mmm.
• 24:59
  You're just ruining things for yourself.
• 25:01
  And I'm like, I get like maybe once trying that,
• 25:03
  but to continually try to get Maier to like toss it downfield
• 25:07
  was really strange considering he does not have the arm for it really.
• 25:11
  So I wasn't quite sure what they were trying to do,
• 25:13
  but yeah. I will say that the Ottawa defense kept playing,
• 25:18
  even when it was
• 25:18
  Yes.
• 25:19
  really bad. They were out there hustling hard.
• 25:22
  ~ I give props to them. And Glenn
• 25:24
  to listen to Glenn twice this weekend.
• 25:26
  Glenn
• 25:26
  Okay.
• 25:26
  told us all that Alexander was better than Anthony Calvillo and I'm not sure
• 25:32
  why he would say things like that.
• 25:34
  Yes. An awfully
• 25:35
  quick pronouncement when mister Alexander,
• 25:37
  who's looking amazing, has played what,
• 25:41
  twenty games, all told.
• 25:44
  And mister Calvio has eighty thousand passing yards,
• 25:47
  so
• 25:47
  Yeah,
• 25:47
  like no one can even catch him realistically.
• 25:51
  No.
• 25:52
  So just be quiet, Glenn.
• 25:54
  Yeah, talk talk
• 25:55
  to me in twenty years. if Alexander
• 25:58
  has seventy five thousand yards and has you know,
• 26:01
  stayed with the Als that whole time and everything,
• 26:03
  then maybe but
• 26:04
  There's actually
• 26:05
  won them some great ups and like yeah.
• 26:07
  Yeah. A little premature. Yeah,
• 26:08
  Yeah.
• 26:10
  so I
• 26:12
  Glenn seems to be coasting a lot this year as in in his color commentary.
• 26:16
  Switch and
• 26:16
  I don't know.
• 26:17
  It's he can be very good, but anyway,
• 26:20
  I went through that last week.
• 26:22
  I will say that I should have had it in my notes,
• 26:24
  I don't there was an extremely nice pass breakup by one of the Ottawa defenders
• 26:30
  or the score would have been one touchdown higher because they had
• 26:33
  Philpot opened down the rail with a pass that Alexander wasn't gonna miss
• 26:38
  and whoever the defender was got closed real quick and got just a fingernail
• 26:43
  on it to to tip it out of bounds.
• 26:46
  So they were working hard the defense was.
• 26:47
  They were working
• 26:48
  hard. That defense was hustling.
• 26:50
  Like they were
• 26:50
  Yes.
• 26:51
  not giving up. So if only the offense would work so hard.
• 26:53
  And see my my premise last week
• 26:55
  was be scared of the Red Blacks because a desperate team,
• 26:58
  you don't know what they're gonna do.
• 27:00
  Well the problem is they're being desperate but in stupid ways.
• 27:03
  You know, a desperate
• 27:03
  Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 27:05
  team maybe does something like that,
• 27:08
  that first touchdown when you get it,
• 27:11
  maybe you go for an onside kick right then that they're not expecting.
• 27:14
  You know? Yeah,
• 27:15
  They had Montreal rattled. They were a little rattled.
• 27:17
  exactly. Be
• 27:18
  ready to do that. Be smart about what put it.
• 27:20
  Put in some plays that just look absolutely stupid.
• 27:24
  Put in a play where you've got,
• 27:26
  you know, your center and your two guards and your tackles are way off to one side,
• 27:30
  still on the line, but ready to lead a quick screen.
• 27:33
  Just to confuse the defenses. Stuff like that you can't do consistently,
• 27:37
  but you sprinkle them in a game if you're desperate.
• 27:39
  It can go somewhere. They're not doing that.
• 27:42
  Dinwiddie's doing stuff, like you said,
• 27:43
  calling deep passes when it shouldn't be,
• 27:46
  or Maier's taking the deep option when he shouldn't.
• 27:49
  Plus
• 27:50
  They keep going for the friggin' two point converts.
• 27:53
  it's just it's silly because it they do it so early.
• 27:56
  Yeah. That's my point. They
• 27:58
  Just
• 27:59
  take the sure points.
• 28:01
  They get a touchdown by talent.
• 28:03
  Finally, although it took three,
• 28:05
  like I said, four tries. Later in the game,
• 28:08
  Montreal takes an unnecessary roughness and a misconduct to give them 25 yards,
• 28:14
  and then they take a PI in the end zone to give them the ball on the one yard line.
• 28:17
  At that point, if I remember right,
• 28:21
  the score is 32-16.
• 28:24
  You kick the convert, it's 3217.
• 28:28
  You're down by 15 points.
• 28:30
  At some point, yeah, score another touchdown or two touchdowns,
• 28:34
  you're going to eventually have to try for a two-point convert.
• 28:38
  But you don't do it there when you kill all your momentum.
• 28:42
  Because
• 28:42
  Yeah.
• 28:43
  they haven't made one yet this season,
• 28:44
  as far as I know, But no, at that point,
• 28:46
  down by 16 points, instead of closing it to 15,
• 28:49
  he goes for the two-point after they're lucky to get a touchdown.
• 28:53
  It doesn't work, and again, their offense has no confidence and
• 28:58
  That becomes their total points for the game,
• 29:00
  the sixteen.
• 29:02
  Jim Pop's gonna fix all this.
• 29:04
  Yes,
• 29:04
  a lot of disappointing coaching going on in the the league this this week again.
• 29:08
  I j I did not I don't know. The one thing I will say that normally I hate
• 29:14
  in booth interviews and I'm not a fan of sideline interviews in game.
• 29:18
  Do them at halftime, do them something like that.
• 29:20
  But if you're gonna do one, they did at least a nice one with Sarah Parker and
• 29:25
  Mark Antoine Duquis from the men's and women's flag football teams that both punched
• 29:30
  their tickets to the Olympics I thought both those players handled themselves very
• 29:35
  well in the interview. I enjoyed seeing and hearing that and I like seeing
• 29:39
  the fact that they acknowledged the better performance was from the women's team
• 29:44
  and it wasn't an afterthought and after what the men had done.
• 29:47
  So
• 29:48
  Yes.
• 29:49
  Alright. I got nothing else.
• 29:52
  Yeah.
• 29:52
  Sh shall
• 29:53
  we move on to our ~ our next disappointment in coaching?
• 29:56
  Yeah, next disappointing game.
• 29:58
  Next disappoint poorly coached game,
• 30:01
  yes. Because you look behind me here and you'll see all the rider paraphernalia.
• 30:06
  Or if you're a fan of the show for a while,
• 30:09
  you know I bleed green, but I'm gonna be channeling Winnipeg Blue Bomber fans right
• 30:14
  now and speaking for you. I feel so bad for you.
• 30:18
  Tommy Friggin Condell.
• 30:20
  First half of the game, they play extremely well.
• 30:24
  Brady gets thirteen carries, two passes,
• 30:27
  a hundred total yards, or something like that.
• 30:29
  The second half of the game, they end up starting
• 30:33
  Yeah.
• 30:34
  to fall behind. Brady, I from what I checking the line score,
• 30:37
  it looked to me, Brady got three touches in the second half.
• 30:40
  And you come down to a point where you get the ball back
• 30:45
  at the Edmonton 50.
• 30:48
  With over two minutes left in the game.
• 30:50
  You're down by three points. A touchdown wins it.
• 30:55
  A field goal ties it. But there's also time on the clock.
• 30:59
  Brady's averaging seven and a half friggin' yards a carry.
• 31:03
  Plus, he's got the screenplays.
• 31:04
  Plus, that's when he shines. you might stop Brady for two yards early in
• 31:10
  the game or mid game where you get a good play.
• 31:12
  In that situation, he knows and he's proven he'll
• 31:16
  Put the team on his back and he'll find a way to get you those yards.
• 31:20
  It might be ugly as hell, but he'll get you first down and first down.
• 31:24
  And if you finally get stopped down around the 20 and there's 30 seconds left,
• 31:27
  you kick the field goal. And okay,
• 31:29
  good, we're going into overtime.
• 31:30
  Condell comes out and tries to pass three times.
• 31:34
  He ends up with Well,
• 31:37
  a sack and what should have been a sack.
• 31:39
  Colaros got back across the line.
• 31:41
  So at least I burnt a little bit of clock there.
• 31:43
  And then a a a bad pass. They kick the field goal with a minute and a half left.
• 31:47
  And look, surprise, Edmonton can march down and win it easy.
• 31:51
  What is wrong with with the offensive play calling in Winnipeg?
• 31:56
  When it I mean, they're doing the first half right.
• 31:58
  This is three or four games in a row.
• 32:00
  They've used him in the first half.
• 32:02
  But then it's like Condell ~ I better out think the defense.
• 32:07
  They know I'm gonna run. And I ref yeah.
• 32:09
  He thinks he's very clever. I
• 32:12
  think he thinks he's very clever.
• 32:13
  ~ TSN
• 32:14
  Yes, I refer him
• 32:15
  showed Brady sitting on the bench a lot.
• 32:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:18
  They panned in tight on Brady sitting,
• 32:20
  not even standing on the sideline,
• 32:21
  like sitting on the bench a lot.
• 32:24
  and then, you know, well, as you know,
• 32:26
  the offense goes through Tim White this season.
• 32:28
  We were all told that, not Brady.
• 32:29
  Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
• 32:30
  ~
• 32:33
  yeah, well, ~ this is what you get.
• 32:35
  Yeah, I am disgusted for Winnipeg fans.
• 32:36
  It's Yeah,
• 32:38
  no, it's stupid for Winnipeg fans.
• 32:40
  I don't know again, I I you can run back tape from like every episode this year
• 32:45
  where I'm like, This is a stupid hire.
• 32:47
  Don't do it, it's a mistake and then what's happened?
• 32:50
  It's a stupid mistake and then yeah,
• 32:52
  as he's saying today, like a touchdown's always the goal and I'm like,
• 32:56
  Whoa, okay, Tommy Condell, like
• 32:59
  Winnipeg went news
• 32:59
  they were up sixteen nothing.
• 33:01
  Yes. Yes. I had here that Ottawa played eight minutes of football,
• 33:04
  Winnipeg played twenty minutes of football.
• 33:06
  Just not enough for the full game.
• 33:07
  I so the Elks
• 33:08
  It's
• 33:10
  yeah, so the Elks were like they have not had a buy yet.
• 33:12
  They've played ten games straight.
• 33:15
  They're tired. They're coming up to a buy.
• 33:17
  They did they don't even want to be there.
• 33:19
  They don't want to play. They all have plane tickets booked,
• 33:21
  like they're out. You should be able to beat them when they were this checked out.
• 33:26
  But credit to the Elks. They woke up and this is a team that would
• 33:31
  not have finished this game
• 33:33
  Yeah.
• 33:33
  Last year, year years previous,
• 33:34
  no.
• 33:35
  they they funkered down and got that last second field goal that I thought
• 33:40
  was going wide. I for sure thought that was going
• 33:42
  No.
• 33:43
  wide. I was like, my god, but they they did it.
• 33:46
  Yeah. Why my one funny thing, like there's not a lot to talk about
• 33:49
  on this game anyway, but Reed got an interception for the Elks and
• 33:53
  he spiked the ball and it was still live and his teammates had to like
• 33:56
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:57
  try and corral it and I was like,
• 33:59
  ~ and then they showed him like all of them like yipping
• 34:00
  Yeah.
• 34:02
  at him and I was like, buddy, how
• 34:05
  Yeah. And I
• 34:06
  embarrassing for you. You just like blanked.
• 34:09
  Yes.
• 34:10
  But it it looked that way, but to his credit,
• 34:13
  he was down by contact.
• 34:16
  they recovered it in the end zone.
• 34:17
  That would have meant the ball would have come out to whatever it is,
• 34:21
  the twenty, the
• 34:21
  Yeah.
• 34:21
  thirty right now or whatever. It was on the five where he intercepted it.
• 34:26
  And when I looked at it, yeah,
• 34:27
  as he it looked like he was probably not down,
• 34:30
  but as he was making the interception,
• 34:31
  there was a Swipe at his ankle that counted him down by contact.
• 34:34
  Yes. Yes.
• 34:35
  But yeah, everyone was just panicking,
• 34:37
  like ~ no, but no, you don't spike the ball.
• 34:38
  Yeah.
• 34:40
  Exactly.
• 34:42
  It's like I I'm
• 34:43
  Yeah.
• 34:44
  I can't remember who it was a few few years back.
• 34:47
  Anyway, the the receiver that had the ball and was running into the
• 34:51
  end zone and tossed it over his shoulder on the one yard line.
• 34:54
  Yeah, or Rankin who like did that last year in the end zone,
• 34:57
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:57
  right? Like mm
• 34:59
  just play to the whistle boys.
• 35:00
  ~
• 35:00
  Yeah.
• 35:02
  Then Luke Wilson like had some really nice things to say about Brendan O'Leary
• 35:05
  Orange and his blocking. And I
• 35:07
  Yeah. Yes.
• 35:08
  was like, look at that. I'm happy O'Leary Orange is doing well with his new team.
• 35:11
  And it was really nice. ~ you know what,
• 35:13
  that's the thing about Luke Wilson.
• 35:14
  I will say I enjoy his commentary because I like when I get things like that pointed
• 35:18
  out to me that I would not necessarily notice at the time.
• 35:20
  And yeah, very cool. ~ so yeah,
• 35:24
  elks are on the bye. They are just ~ a machine and whoa,
• 35:28
  Winnipeg, that's a mess.
• 35:30
  Yes.
• 35:31
  Yeah, Luke has done much better than I thought he would.
• 35:33
  I do actually
• 35:34
  Yeah.
• 35:34
  enjoy hearing him But I like I said,
• 35:37
  yeah. To me Winnipeg's culture has always been bully ball.
• 35:42
  And that's not a unique thought to me.
• 35:44
  That's what everyone tells you.
• 35:45
  But I talked to two weeks ago about the Lombardi comment.
• 35:49
  Everybody knows where it's going.
• 35:51
  The question is can they stop it?
• 35:53
  And that's what Condell has to take as an attitude in Winnipeg with Brady,
• 35:57
  and he doesn't. And so if they know where it's going,
• 36:00
  I better do something else.
• 36:02
  I don't know. Disappointed.
• 36:04
  Brady's gonna be I don't know.
• 36:06
  He's yippin' a little in the media too,
• 36:08
  right? So we'll
• 36:09
  Right.
• 36:09
  see. We'll see how that's going 'cause that there's a lot of infighting happening,
• 36:13
  I'm sure.
• 36:14
  I'm sure
• 36:14
  there is. I haven't seen as much of it,
• 36:16
  but I don't doubt it there. And I mean the thing is ~ I know a Saskatchewan fan.
• 36:21
  Winnipeg's supposed to be my hated rival.
• 36:23
  I said last week I'm actually grew up in Manitoba.
• 36:26
  Winnipeg's my second favorite team.
• 36:27
  They're my they're my backup team.
• 36:29
  And I loved the kind of ball that they were playing and to see them get away from
• 36:33
  it is yeah, and and I don't know what's happened to their defense,
• 36:38
  unfortunately. It's
• 36:39
  Was Willie Jefferson playing?
• 36:41
  He was and he didn't play terrible but it just seems like you know,
• 36:46
  Jordan Younger's been the DC there for a few years,
• 36:48
  so the scheme shouldn't have changed.
• 36:50
  Is it personnel? I wonder about frankly if it's mental because Winnipeg
• 36:55
  has won the games is a good defense and they know that their offense will come
• 37:00
  out and control the ball.
• 37:02
  And take time off the clock and score enough points to win if the defense holds
• 37:06
  a team to X number of points, you know,
• 37:09
  fifteen, twenty,
• 37:10
  Yeah.
• 37:10
  whatever. They may not blow out the world,
• 37:12
  but they've always been good enough to do that.
• 37:15
  And this year the defense probably just doesn't have that confidence.
• 37:19
  You know, we can play our tails off and still end up,
• 37:25
  Edmonton, twenty two points.
• 37:28
  They need to channel whatever the vibe is for the Red Blacks defense.
• 37:33
  Whatever the Red Blacks defense is doing,
• 37:35
  you also must do. Because their offense doesn't even exist and they're still like
• 37:39
  hustling.
• 37:40
  Yeah, exactly.
• 37:41
  how many games just this week year have we seen where twenty two points wins
• 37:46
  the game? It's the same thing I said with Hamilton and Saskatchewan last week.
• 37:49
  Yeah. Do you think now Michael Shea
• 37:49
  It was the defense that won it.
• 37:52
  And Winnipeg's defense had a chance to win
• 37:55
  it, but they need some help.
• 37:57
  Mike O'Shea signed like what a three year extension earlier this year.
• 38:00
  I'm wondering has he lost the room,
• 38:02
  do you think?
• 38:03
  I don't know. It it could be that or it could be that it's just too much
• 38:08
  for him to overcome all the rest of the stuff that's going on in there.
• 38:12
  It you know, it it you need a certain amount of success to hold that kind
• 38:17
  of a room together. And yes, they're five and five.
• 38:19
  But they could be eight and five with some intelligence offense,
• 38:24
  and frankly they've been lucky in a couple of games and they could
• 38:27
  be three and eight. So
• 38:30
  Well, you're
• 38:30
  in a West with a lot of teams like B C's trucking now,
• 38:34
  like you're watch out. Yeah.
• 38:35
  Yeah. And
• 38:37
  they they were also talking about the fact that Castile owns the record
• 38:41
  for the most field goals over fifty yards.
• 38:44
  Yeah. Yeah,
• 38:45
  Well you shouldn't own that. That's a bad stat actually.
• 38:47
  exactly. That's what I'm saying.
• 38:48
  That means your offense isn't working.
• 38:50
  That's great for him. It doesn't
• 38:52
  necessarily say a lot about your team over the last two or three years.
• 38:55
  No, it does in the same
• 38:58
  Yeah, every time I see that stand I'm like,
• 38:59
  so you couldn't get it past the fifty.
• 39:01
  Okay. Like Alright alright
• 39:02
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know?
• 39:05
  then.
• 39:05
  It's it's like when you see a team where the where a defensive halfback
• 39:09
  is leading the team in tackles.
• 39:11
  Well great for that player. Yeah.
• 39:12
  Ugh. Yeah. However, everyone else is napping.
• 39:16
  All right. And yeah,
• 39:16
  Like Okay, that's enough beating up on Winnipeg.
• 39:21
  I feel bad for them. Yeah.
• 39:21
  let's go beat up on our teams now.
• 39:24
  Hamilton twenty at Toronto thirty nine.
• 39:27
  And like I said, both of these games
• 39:30
  I didn't have a lot to to say on it other than the teams that lost easily could have
• 39:34
  won if they just got out of their own way.
• 39:36
  And it wasn't even necessarily the number of penalties.
• 39:41
  They were bad enough, but it was the timing of them.
• 39:43
  They just anytime, especially this game,
• 39:46
  anytime they were setting out to get a drive started,
• 39:48
  they'd take something that would put them back five or ten yards.
• 39:50
  Keandre Smith took three penalties that were either offside
• 39:55
  or illegal procedure because he was on the line as a receiver and
• 39:59
  and left too early. Three of them in the game that stopped three drives.
• 40:02
  You you're in a game.
• 40:06
  didn't play the most fantastic game,
• 40:08
  but he looked good. He certainly played good enough to win.
• 40:10
  He made some very nice passes.
• 40:12
  They they passed for 356 yards.
• 40:16
  Toronto only had 289. But then Toronto also ran over them.
• 40:21
  I'll let you commiserate for a little while.
• 40:25
  If Keandre Smith was not getting an offside call,
• 40:28
  the offensive line was getting a procedure call.
• 40:30
  Anytime they had something cooking.
• 40:32
  Anytime. They're over they then they're like five yards back every time.
• 40:36
  Like reset, try to scramble. Then Trey's got to stretch it up.
• 40:40
  Their snapper was like the bobbling snaps too,
• 40:43
  like their their place kicker they were showing a close-up of every time that place
• 40:47
  kicker, like the placeholder got the ball,
• 40:49
  it was like bobbling everywhere.
• 40:51
  And I'm like, what is happening?
• 40:53
  And the defense was I was like,
• 40:55
  I was as assured that this was an elite defense.
• 40:59
  Number one defense in the league,
• 41:00
  they played terrible.
• 41:02
  Everyone played terrible. There was not a good player on that field.
• 41:06
  Nobody was having a good game.
• 41:08
  the Argos are playing in the rain just fine.
• 41:10
  it's not the rain, because Chad's out there pa was out there passing
• 41:13
  and making plays. But yeah, I think you just every time like poor Tre
• 41:18
  you finally have a play that you think's gonna work and then you
• 41:20
  got the defense figured out. procedure.
• 41:22
  ~ Keandre's offside. And I'm
• 41:22
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:23
  pretty sure Keandre got ~ was offside more than he got called.
• 41:27
  'Cause he was I don't know what was happening.
• 41:30
  ~ but they were up at halftime.
• 41:31
  yeah. Yep.
• 41:32
  Like they
• 41:33
  were up. They were winning. And they just
• 41:35
  Yeah.
• 41:36
  collapsed. Yeah, and
• 41:38
  Yes, I gave them credit
• 41:39
  for sixteen minutes and twenty five seconds of real football.
• 41:42
  late in the first half and into the third quarter.
• 41:44
  Yeah.
• 41:45
  Polk was not playing.
• 41:48
  But Chad only threw one interception.
• 41:50
  I think that's a record for him this year.
• 41:51
  Yep.
• 41:52
  I don't understand. I it was yeah,
• 41:55
  Sean Lemon, two sacks, one force fumble.
• 41:57
  and that force fumble, like Trey didn't even see that coming.
• 42:00
  That was not on him.
• 42:00
  No. Can't put that one on on tray other than yeah.
• 42:03
  That's not his fault. Like,
• 42:04
  the reed just got run over.
• 42:06
  Ma yes, exactly. Maybe you can say,
• 42:08
  you've got to have the clock in your head and he should have ~ known the timing,
• 42:12
  but I don't think you can blame him on that.
• 42:14
  the key to this game, other than the Hamilton penalties,
• 42:17
  if Hamilton had played penalty free,
• 42:20
  it would have been a close game.
• 42:22
  If Hamilton had played penalty free and had any kind of contain
• 42:26
  on their run defense, they would have won easily.
• 42:28
  I don't know what Monson was running.
• 42:30
  I couldn't figure out
• 42:32
  why there was no contain the run plays that worked at least a half
• 42:38
  a dozen times maybe more was running back presses the line jump cuts outside
• 42:43
  the tackle and there's nobody there and he's gone for 15
• 42:46
  Nobody there.
• 42:47
  20 yards over and over and over again can you not adjust to that
• 42:52
  can you not figure out we need to do something a little bit different here
• 42:58
  Well and then you know what, like,
• 42:59
  ~ I saw Osai, who was one of our top D line guys,
• 43:02
  he got blocked. He was Smith was blocking him.
• 43:05
  The running back.
• 43:05
  Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
• 43:08
  Like just like having his way.
• 43:10
  I was like, this is ridiculous.
• 43:12
  This team now there's some drama because Scott Milanovich wasn't at practice
• 43:16
  for a personal matter. But I say all the other coaches are there.
• 43:21
  Yeah.
• 43:22
  If Bob Dice and company cannot handle this at for one game,
• 43:27
  and you've played the Argos already.
• 43:28
  They've they played them already.
• 43:31
  Like this is not a surprise. I just don't know what happened.
• 43:34
  It's like they just imploded. No!
• 43:34
  Yeah. And it wasn't like the offense wasn't working.
• 43:38
  Scott Milanov Yeah,
• 43:39
  They were but it just wasn't working where it counted.
• 43:43
  Scott Milanovich not being there shouldn't have impacted the special teams.
• 43:46
  It shouldn't have impacted the defense.
• 43:48
  And besides the coaches, these are professional players.
• 43:51
  Are you telling me that your coach goes away
• 43:52
  Yeah. Can I drag me?
• 43:54
  for a week and you just you go on vacation and stop caring?
• 43:57
  Like
• 43:58
  you were like at a keger while your parents were away?
• 44:00
  Like what happened? Like
• 44:00
  Yeah. I don't
• 44:02
  know. But like I said, the difference was w ch w I don't know.
• 44:07
  I I guess I could have gone back.
• 44:08
  I didn't do this much research,
• 44:10
  but I'm willing to bet that if I went back and looked at the Toronto stats,
• 44:16
  I know Mills had a couple of runs of about sixty or seventy yards that
• 44:21
  he broke off on one against the Riders and I can't remember who the other
• 44:24
  one was early in the game. You take those two runs out of it and I don't think s
• 44:28
  Toronto has run for forty yards in a game yet.
• 44:31
  They ran for a hundred and forty five yards on Hamilton.
• 44:35
  With Winton McManus in there and Reggie Stubblefield in there.
• 44:39
  And you know just where? Where was that coming from?
• 44:43
  And it
• 44:44
  Terrible effort.
• 44:45
  well.
• 44:46
  It was my birthday and they played like this.
• 44:48
  On my birthday, this is what happened.
• 44:48
  Happy birthday. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:52
  How
• 44:53
  like can you imagine the horror of my life?
• 44:55
  Yes.
• 44:56
  Yes. Well, you have the silver lining that at least the podcast team won,
• 45:01
  so
• 45:02
  ~ yes, well
• 45:04
  Lucky Us
• 45:05
  Yes.
• 45:06
  Okay. No more no more of that autopsy.
• 45:08
  No.
• 45:09
  It's there's a bit enough depressing there.
• 45:11
  So then we go to the next game that looked like it should have been
• 45:14
  a fairly good game. The Riders got Emless back.
• 45:16
  Hey, they're gonna have some that also I'm I know I'm not supposed to talk fantasy,
• 45:21
  but that probably cost me my fantasy game because I had Deshaun Mims
• 45:24
  in fantasy and they didn't start him.
• 45:28
  They didn't even have him on the roster.
• 45:29
  So I had to quickly
• 45:31
  find
• 45:32
  someone else in that game I could afford who turned out to be Karen Passant
• 45:35
  who was on the roster but didn't do anything.
• 45:37
  Anyway, regardless of that, the ~ I I've been clocking this.
• 45:41
  I said Ottawa played eight minutes of good football and maybe seven.
• 45:44
  Winnipeg played twenty minutes of good football,
• 45:46
  not enough to win. Hamilton had sixteen and twenty five and
• 45:50
  I gave Saskatchewan eleven minutes and forty seconds in that fourth quarter where
• 45:55
  they actually woke up and started doing stuff.
• 45:56
  But other than that, same
• 45:58
  Same thing, seven penalties for seventy two yards,
• 46:01
  which took off the board, two scored touchdowns and an interception.
• 46:06
  Other than that, passing, Saskatchewan had three hundred and fifty six yards,
• 46:10
  BC had three fifty-five. Rushing,
• 46:13
  Saskatchewan had sixty nine, BC had seventy-six.
• 46:16
  And total yards it was Saskatchewan four ten and BC four fourteen.
• 46:20
  So should have been a very close game.
• 46:22
  But same as Hamilton, every time that they and worse than that,
• 46:26
  because it wasn't just getting drives stalled.
• 46:28
  Every time there was a a good play
• 46:32
  There was a stupid penalty that negated it.
• 46:34
  Yes. Yeah.
• 46:34
  Hands to the face Yeah.
• 46:37
  Exactly. PI,
• 46:40
  ~ no it wasn't PI, I forget what it was that took away the interception.
• 46:43
  But then that ~ no yards. I'll give them some for that 'cause I mean it
• 46:48
  w they they were trying to get back and slipped out of it,
• 46:50
  and that was a definite penalty.
• 46:52
  But again, just play smarter.
• 46:55
  And the last thing I'll say is he got himself a very nice interception late
• 46:59
  in the game Jackson Ford did. But other than that,
• 47:02
  it was probably the worst game at safety you will see
• 47:04
  Worst.
• 47:06
  in a long, long, long time.
• 47:10
  Horfath hurtled over top of him.
• 47:12
  Yes. Yes.
• 47:12
  And they
• 47:14
  showed it a hundred times and then they kept showing Ford looking sad and or upset.
• 47:19
  Yeah. Yeah, the C N there's the T S N shade,
• 47:20
  Terrible. it was shady.
• 47:23
  yes. Yeah.
• 47:24
  It was shady.
• 47:25
  ~ he had a terrible game.
• 47:28
  yeah. He came flying down on Berry Hill trying to make a big hit that instead
• 47:32
  of wrapping up, he got bounced off and it went for a big gain.
• 47:35
  And then the next
• 47:36
  How did Barry Heel
• 47:37
  even like I could not believe that catch?
• 47:40
  Yeah.
• 47:40
  Yes, a fantastic catch, but shouldn't
• 47:42
  Fantastic.
• 47:44
  have been any more yards from there on,
• 47:46
  you know? And yes.
• 47:46
  Nope. Finish your tackles.
• 47:50
  And then the next series he comes out and lays a a huge hit on somebody three steps
• 47:56
  after they've already not caught the ball
• 47:58
  just stupid stuff.
• 48:00
  Stupid,
• 48:01
  stupid stuff. yeah, sorry.
• 48:03
  not take away from B C though.
• 48:04
  B C played well.
• 48:05
  yeah, well just this was the watermelon smash game at B C Place,
• 48:09
  so they had a bunch of watermelons you could smash before the game,
• 48:12
  and I think that's kind of fun to
• 48:14
  Yes.
• 48:14
  you know you're gonna get rider fans at your stadium anyway,
• 48:17
  you might as well like make a little game of it,
• 48:19
  and that was pretty cool. I enjoyed that.
• 48:21
  yeah, B C defense started bad because there'd be three players in
• 48:25
  the vicinity and then a rider would just catch the ball with three players standing
• 48:31
  around him, just looking and
• 48:33
  I was like, what what are you doing?
• 48:35
  Stop playing zone. they they got it together.
• 48:37
  They got it together. ~ I mean Saskatchewan helped them,
• 48:41
  but they did get it together. yeah,
• 48:44
  as ~ the Barry Hill caught that in traffic and it was like it was such
• 48:48
  a bang bang play in that I thought he was going to die.
• 48:51
  I thought for sure that suicide,
• 48:54
  you know, those passes over the I was like,
• 48:55
  ~ no. he caught it around. Emlius however,
• 48:58
  had a hospital pass.
• 48:59
  thrown to him at the end of the game,
• 49:00
  Yeah.
• 49:01
  and I'm not quite sure why you would do that to him.
• 49:03
  In the end of the fourth, you are going to lose this game.
• 49:07
  You sent a player who one of your top receivers who just came back
• 49:10
  off injury over the middle to get like crushed.
• 49:14
  And now he's out with a hip and like what why?
• 49:17
  That
• 49:17
  Yeah.
• 49:18
  was a stupid play call. A dangerous,
• 49:20
  stupid play call. That was
• 49:22
  and they need him because the the other point of it is like that offense
• 49:26
  has been out of sync for about three or four weeks now.
• 49:29
  But I said this last week against Hamilton and it was the same thing this week.
• 49:33
  Harris was intercepted twice and they were both the direct result
• 49:39
  of a miscommunication between him and his and the receiver.
• 49:42
  On the the first one that was deep to the end zone,
• 49:46
  and I think it was Emilus but mind you Emilus was back in the first time
• 49:49
  in five weeks.
• 49:51
  Emiluis read it as a break to the outside against the DB.
• 49:53
  Harris read it as a broke to the inside and threw the ball where two
• 49:57
  BC Lions were the only ones within five yards of it.
• 50:00
  That ball was already in the air before the break was made,
• 50:03
  so lack of communication. And the same thing on the second interception was Jate,
• 50:08
  their rookie who's looking not bad.
• 50:10
  He had a slant that he had to get to a certain spot and he'd
• 50:15
  took too deep on the slant and let it get jumped So is that
• 50:20
  not necessarily the receiver's fault,
• 50:22
  but that's the fact that the receiver and Harris are seeing things differently.
• 50:26
  And that offense runs when they see it right.
• 50:29
  That's why those tight window throws work.
• 50:31
  That's why it looks like it can just go like a hot knife through butter against
• 50:36
  a defense. But as soon as you start losing that,
• 50:39
  you get a game like this.
• 50:41
  Harris looked so flustered. I don't think I've ever seen him so flustered.
• 50:45
  He was screaming into his helmet,
• 50:47
  Yeah.
• 50:48
  and he was like having a meltdown on the sidelines,
• 50:51
  and then TSN just found him and then just showed him the rest of the game.
• 50:54
  They just kept watching him having this like complete and utter like temper tantrum.
• 50:59
  but you know, there are three sacks,
• 51:00
  two interceptions, two force fumbles.
• 51:02
  Yeah. Exactly. And yeah.
• 51:04
  day, bad day at
• 51:05
  the office and he was up he was so rattled.
• 51:09
  Yeah.
• 51:09
  Well and the one wasn't even a forest fumble.
• 51:11
  The D B just took the ball right out of Johnson's hands.
• 51:14
  ~ just rips ripped it out of his hand like
• 51:17
  Just like ripped it out of his hands.
• 51:19
  I'll take that, yeah.
• 51:20
  I feel like they should have just taken him out.
• 51:23
  Yes.
• 51:24
  When he was that upset and like like yelling and screaming at people
• 51:27
  Yeah.
• 51:28
  and like freaking out, like just sit him down.
• 51:31
  Yeah,
• 51:31
  at that point put Cohen in. I agree.
• 51:33
  Although I
• 51:33
  Yeah.
• 51:34
  will say he did have amazing chemistry with their new star tight end,
• 51:39
  Daniel Johnson.
• 51:40
  Yes.
• 51:41
  the offensive lineman who lined up wide,
• 51:43
  Yeah, that was fun. Best receiver of the night.
• 51:44
  got him got himself a pass in the
• 51:47
  flat and rambled for seventeen yards,
• 51:49
  including hurtling over a tackle.
• 51:51
  Well you saw
• 51:52
  Findley like when the replay he was like pointing at him.
• 51:55
  Yeah.
• 51:56
  But then like you gotta make a decision whether you go to that or
• 51:59
  you like the receiver's going down deep.
• 52:01
  So I mean you just gotta make a choice,
• 52:02
  right? But that was fun. That was fun.
• 52:03
  Yeah. It it was and and it
• 52:04
  I enjoy when things like that happen.
• 52:06
  I'm an old lineman. I love it when I see one of us fat guys get the ball.
• 52:10
  It's Yeah, exactly.
• 52:10
  And he like knocked a guy over and like ran like he got some got some yak yards.
• 52:13
  Stiff armed a guy did a little bit of a hop over it and all and that sparked
• 52:15
  Like Yeah
• 52:17
  them for a while. But then they just went back to making the same stupid mistakes.
• 52:22
  yeah, they made stupid mistakes.
• 52:23
  Harris should have taken out and then he threw that suicide pass to Emily's
• 52:25
  and what what no one's having
• 52:27
  Yes. I ~
• 52:28
  fun.
• 52:29
  no, not at all. it does give me an opportunity to tell one of my favorite Corey Mace
• 52:33
  stories. and I don't know, I may have said this on the show before,
• 52:36
  I saw an interview with him back when he played and they lined him up
• 52:39
  at tight end on a short yardage play and he broke out into the end zone
• 52:44
  and they threw the pass to him.
• 52:45
  And he got it. And they asked him about it not
• 52:50
  right after the game, but the following week I think it was in practice,
• 52:53
  they asked him, How did it feel to get that catch and that and he said,
• 52:56
  it was the most amazing thing.
• 52:58
  I was out there, I went out made my cut to the outside,
• 53:02
  I saw the ball coming, it was over the wrong shoulder.
• 53:05
  I had to turn in midair and do a twist and grab,
• 53:08
  a thing of beauty and pulled it down and I was on top of the world.
• 53:12
  And then I went and watched the film and no it was just another fat
• 53:15
  guy catching a football.
• 53:17
  Which is amazing honesty.
• 53:19
  Yeah.
• 53:21
  the only other highlight, maybe,
• 53:24
  at least fun moment of this game was when Saskatchewan did
• 53:30
  a dump pass to Thomas Bertrand Houdon,
• 53:33
  who took it up the middle for ten yards,
• 53:35
  got absolutely smoked and the ball popped back five yards into the hands
• 53:39
  of Logan Ferland the Saskatchewan center,
• 53:42
  who bobbled it around and
• 53:44
  and fell on it for the ten yards.
• 53:45
  So you gotta say they got one break in that game.
• 53:50
  Yeah. I just wanna talk BC Lions for like I will say they played well.
• 53:54
  They played well. Horvath looked good.
• 53:55
  Katoy played had a great game and his mom was there and she had never seen
• 53:59
  him play at BC Place before, so that was really nice for he gave her the game,
• 54:04
  like when he got touchdown, he ran over and gave it to her.
• 54:06
  That was really nice. he kinda reminds me of Nick Lewis a little bit.
• 54:09
  Like he's gonna run you over.
• 54:10
  Yeah. Yes. Yes.
• 54:12
  he's taller and not quite as thick as Nick,
• 54:14
  but he
• 54:15
  But
• 54:16
  he's got the Nick Lewis like the DBs are scared of him vibes.
• 54:20
  ~ yeah.
• 54:20
  ~ yeah.
• 54:21
  Nathan's looking like he's like yeah,
• 54:23
  they've won four in a row. Don't look now.
• 54:25
  Yeah. Yeah. Well,
• 54:25
  Don't look now.
• 54:28
  they look good, but again, I didn't think they looked fantastic.
• 54:32
  You know, I do think they're coming along and they're going to be a team to to beat,
• 54:36
  but I do honestly believe that the it was the ineptitude
• 54:42
  of the riders team I don't think you saw a kind of game that the riders were capable
• 54:49
  of.
• 54:49
  Just like frankly, I don't didn't think you saw when they beat Winnipeg with their
• 54:53
  backup quarterback that Winnipeg played the kind of game they're they were capable
• 54:56
  of. You know, so Yeah,
• 54:59
  they might do well. They're I mean they got Ottawa coming up this week,
• 55:03
  so they'll get another win there.
• 55:04
  I expect they'll probably end up with about ten wins,
• 55:07
  but I think there is still a bit of an element of smoke and mirrors
• 55:09
  in there that will come out as the last half of the season plays on.
• 55:15
  My opinion.
• 55:17
  I don't I don't have the faith in Benavidi's defense that other people seem
• 55:21
  to be developing. And I think the offense is good,
• 55:24
  but I think I don't think that they're the offense people were expecting that's
• 55:29
  gonna put up, you know, high thirties,
• 55:32
  low forties in points every game.
• 55:33
  I think that the thirty points in this one was pretty indicative of what we'll
• 55:37
  see from the Lions going through.
• 55:39
  And it's can their defense hold other teams under that.
• 55:43
  No, winning's a mentality.
• 55:45
  It is
• 55:46
  that too. And I may be here in six,
• 55:48
  seven weeks eating humble pie and saying,
• 55:51
  Wow, look at that second half the Yeah,
• 55:52
  And you just ~ you play the teams in the schedule,
• 55:55
  right? That's not your fault that
• 55:55
  yeah, exactly.
• 55:57
  the riders played so terrible.
• 55:59
  That's who you get to play. So,
• 56:00
  I mean
• 56:00
  Yeah. Yeah. No,
• 56:01
  like I said, I this is an opinion.
• 56:04
  I I certainly don't mean to to say that I know some others don't.
• 56:06
  Friends, I'm here to give props to the lions,
• 56:08
  Yes. Okay.
• 56:09
  so don't you worry. They're on the up and up.
• 56:11
  We'll we'll have balance in our in our reporting.
• 56:15
  No, no, I frankly to to be quite honest,
• 56:20
  there were only two teams that I was impressed with this weekend that
• 56:24
  I thought I would say
• 56:26
  There's a team that you you know is gonna win an awful lot of games.
• 56:30
  And I thought it was fairly obvious that they're the two that are sitting
• 56:34
  at the top of the standings.
• 56:36
  if anyone out there isn't sure what I mean by that,
• 56:38
  it is Montreal and Edmonton, of course.
• 56:39
  And even Edmonton, with like you said,
• 56:41
  their slow start and going into a bye after a long stretch,
• 56:44
  they still played like a professional football team.
• 56:48
  Like to dedicate this win to the CFL schedule makers.
• 56:51
  Yeah.
• 56:51
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 56:54
  Alrighty. Well those are the games for this week.
• 56:57
  we're only an hour and a bit in.
• 57:00
  This is going quicker with only two of us.
• 57:02
  People will be so
• 57:03
  well
• 57:03
  disappointed they don't get to hear my voice on and on and on.
• 57:07
  Those games were just so inspiring to talk about.
• 57:10
  Yeah. That's
• 57:11
  true. A better week we might have spent another twenty minutes on every game,
• 57:15
  but as I think it was Oz last week when I asked him at the end of one game
• 57:18
  as do we have anything more? And his answer was I'm surprised we got that much
• 57:21
  out of it. So
• 57:23
  All
• 57:23
  right. So power rankings. Who's doing them?
• 57:26
  Are you gonna take them over? Okay.
• 57:27
  Me friends, friends, I would like to apologize on behalf
• 57:32
  of the podcast for what you witnessed last week.
• 57:35
  that will not happen again.
• 57:37
  Okay, hit us with them.
• 57:39
  ~
• 57:40
  Okay. number one, Elks. Hot off the bye.
• 57:42
  You if you can win heading into the bye after ten weeks and pull it out,
• 57:45
  you're number one. number two,
• 57:47
  alouettes. ~ too many penalties on defense,
• 57:50
  otherwise you probably would have been been number one,
• 57:53
  but you gotta clean it up. Three,
• 57:55
  BC Lions on a roll.
• 57:56
  Four in a row. the riders are number four.
• 57:59
  Get it together, boys. Like otherwise you're dropping down further.
• 58:03
  five is the Argos, because they they put it all together this weekend.
• 58:07
  They it all the pieces fit and they looked good.
• 58:10
  six is the Stampeders. I know GT would not like to mess around with people
• 58:14
  who are on the buy, so I think I tried to leave them where they were this
• 58:18
  is really a contingent of Mills and VA are back in the lineup.
• 58:21
  Yeah.
• 58:22
  And they're saying positive
• 58:22
  That's good.
• 58:23
  trending right now. That's the only answer,
• 58:26
  yeah.
• 58:27
  ~ seven is the bombers with an identity crisis incoming.
• 58:32
  the Ti Cats are eight because that was a terrible performance by everyone,
• 58:37
  and you are no closer to getting bow back and terrible,
• 58:43
  terrible all round. Nine is the Ottawa Red Blacks,
• 58:46
  and I just have a note saying sad trombones.
• 58:49
  Yes. Yes. Well,
• 58:52
  thank you for that. I'll tell you a story about a friend of mine.
• 58:57
  Got nothing to do with this podcast or anything that's happened in
• 59:01
  the last two weeks or anything like that,
• 59:03
  but I ~ friend I haven't seen in probably thirty years was actually my boss
• 59:08
  and we got to be good friends,
• 59:10
  fellow named Boyd, and he told me about having a
• 59:15
  Part-time job when he was in school and he worked at a jewelry store.
• 59:20
  And the jewelry store also sold fine china.
• 59:24
  Part of the job was having to unpack the fine china,
• 59:28
  which was very expensive, and everybody hated doing it because there
• 59:32
  was so much pressure not to get a nick on it or anything at all.
• 59:36
  So Boyd said when it was his turn to unpack the fine china,
• 59:41
  the first thing he did was break a plate.
• 59:44
  And he never had to do the job again.
• 59:47
  So for whatever it's worth.
• 59:49
  I believe the term is weaponized incompetence.
• 59:51
  Yes, exactly. I like that. I haven't heard that
• 59:54
  before.
• 59:55
  moving on from there. The injury reports before we take the games.
• 59:58
  this I'm having to do a bit on the fly because when I did my notes earlier,
• 1:00:01
  some of these weren't in, no one's marked as out or available yet.
• 1:00:04
  Montreal, Stevie Scott the third,
• 1:00:07
  and ~ Braden Knoll on the O line were both did not participate.
• 1:00:11
  And again, I don't think either of those is ~ a big loss The
• 1:00:14
  way Montreal's playing nice.
• 1:00:17
  Justin Lawrence is back practicing in full for the Alouettes,
• 1:00:20
  so that's good news for them on the O line.
• 1:00:22
  He is, I see that. That's
• 1:00:22
  Yeah.
• 1:00:24
  that is good news. Thank you. I was just looking at the did not participate.
• 1:00:28
  You're right. like I said, doing a bit on the fly here right now.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah, so good news for them.
• 1:00:31
  Winnipeg
• 1:00:33
  Mike O'Shea special. Everybody's hurt.
• 1:00:36
  Brady did not participate. Eli from the O line did not participate.
• 1:00:40
  Nick Dembski did not participate.
• 1:00:42
  Deedrick Nichols did not participate.
• 1:00:45
  Hamilton, there's a few names limited,
• 1:00:48
  including Charbell de Beer, who I think has been probably one
• 1:00:51
  of their best defensive linemen the last two or three games,
• 1:00:55
  has played extremely well. Frost is still limited,
• 1:00:58
  And who else do they have here?
• 1:01:00
  Tyler Tugnossi and Tyson Middlemost,
• 1:01:03
  both backup receivers. Did not participate.
• 1:01:06
  Myron Mitchell and Keandre Smith were both limited.
• 1:01:10
  ~ who needs Shamar Bridges now,
• 1:01:12
  guys? ~
• 1:01:13
  Yeah. Mm-hmm. Saskatchewan does apparently.
• 1:01:18
  Calgary Vernon Adams was limited and I saw a article today saying that he's trending
• 1:01:24
  positive. They're more encouraged that they'll have Mills back,
• 1:01:27
  but they hope to have Vernon back too.
• 1:01:29
  And Mills was a full participant.
• 1:01:33
  Reggie Bagleton was a full participant,
• 1:01:35
  but I don't know that that means anything.
• 1:01:36
  He's has been and then been back off and everything anyway.
• 1:01:39
  other than that, ~ Divine Scott in the defensive backfield was limited,
• 1:01:45
  and their their short yardage guy,
• 1:01:48
  Quincy Vahan was limited with a hamstring.
• 1:01:50
  Yes. the the Argonauts, Nick Arbuckle was limited.
• 1:01:54
  So don't know.
• 1:01:56
  How?
• 1:01:57
  Must be one of those short yardage things,
• 1:01:59
  I guess, or I don't know, maybe he stubbed his toe on the bench.
• 1:02:03
  I'm not sure.
• 1:02:04
  Wait.
• 1:02:06
  Ralph Hawley and Ryan Hunter were both limited.
• 1:02:08
  So was Chad Kelly with a toe injury.
• 1:02:11
  And the did not participates included Cameron Judge and Brandon Kemp,
• 1:02:15
  who went down on the O line this week.
• 1:02:17
  And that's all we've got. Nobody else has got any reports in at this point.
• 1:02:24
  I think the lions are red blocks are the Sunday game,
• 1:02:26
  so they're probably not even practicing yet.
• 1:02:27
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:27
  I think I think it's Friday two Saturday games and a Sunday this week,
• 1:02:31
  is it not? And then we get into the Labor Day and all that excitement.
• 1:02:36
  So,
• 1:02:36
  anything to say or should we just jump into our game predictions?
• 1:02:40
  And I understand MJ two is sent in hers to be the tiebreaker.
• 1:02:43
  Yes
• 1:02:44
  with sassy comments.
• 1:02:46
  good. I like that. I like
• 1:02:48
  your comments from last week. and we should let people know that we're still working
• 1:02:52
  on negotiations. The agents are involved at this point,
• 1:02:56
  but we're hoping that we're gonna have MJ two as a more regular contributor post
• 1:03:02
  Labor Day when the season really matters.
• 1:03:04
  Yes.
• 1:03:05
  she reiterated to me that the season does not start till Labor Day,
• 1:03:08
  so yeah.
• 1:03:08
  Of course not. Even
• 1:03:11
  next year when there's only two games after Labor Day.
• 1:03:13
  No, that's not true. That's I'm being snarky.
• 1:03:13
  It's even next year when
• 1:03:18
  So
• 1:03:19
  even when Grey Cup is on Labor Day.
• 1:03:22
  Yes,
• 1:03:22
  yes. Then then the season will start on Labor Day.
• 1:03:25
  The
• 1:03:25
  season will start.
• 1:03:26
  But we have the games and we start with Montreal coming into the very difficult
• 1:03:32
  to beat Winnipeg Blue Bombers in whatever it is now,
• 1:03:35
  it's a toolbox, isn't it? The Princess Auto Stadium,
• 1:03:38
  I think still.
• 1:03:38
  Press auto.
• 1:03:39
  Yeah. Why don't we start with MJ two's prediction and comment?
• 1:03:44
  ~ she says the Alouettes, no one has an answer for this team and
• 1:03:48
  Tim White offense definitely isn't it.
• 1:03:51
  Well said. I don't think I have anything to add.
• 1:03:54
  I'll just ditto for me. Yes.
• 1:03:55
  No? Check check.
• 1:03:58
  Okay.
• 1:04:00
  Hamilton at Calgary. Now this one we don't know if VA's going to be in or not,
• 1:04:06
  which makes the the picking a little bit more difficult,
• 1:04:09
  but we gotta jump and hope for it.
• 1:04:11
  So Hamilton, your team, I'll let you say first.
• 1:04:15
  ~
• 1:04:16
  I saw pictures of Ye on his vacation and he looked okay,
• 1:04:20
  but does that mean he can play football?
• 1:04:22
  They're coming off the bye, so they should be well rested.
• 1:04:26
  Ti cats. Mmm, that was so bad.
• 1:04:29
  You know what, I'm gonna pick I'm going to pick Ty Cats because if I knew
• 1:04:33
  a hundred percent that VA and Mills were ready to go,
• 1:04:35
  I'd be probably picking Calgary,
• 1:04:37
  but I think Hamilton's probably able to put together a team a little bit better.
• 1:04:43
  Well
• 1:04:43
  Mills is listed as fully participating at practice.
• 1:04:47
  So I think it's relatively safe to guess he's gonna be in what and from what they
• 1:04:52
  said too. the article I saw said they were very confident.
• 1:04:55
  VA is more of a question.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah, and if he's not playing it,
• 1:04:59
  Love's not gonna do it I think the Ticats defense has g has been running suicides
• 1:05:03
  all week after that performance.
• 1:05:05
  Yes. Well the and the thing is to me
• 1:05:10
  I want to pick Hamilton. But they came back and they played a reasonable second half
• 1:05:16
  against the Riders with Trey and played well enough to win.
• 1:05:19
  But the game before that, they should have had a good chance
• 1:05:25
  to win and shot themselves in the foot.
• 1:05:28
  This is the ~ I think it was the B C game shot themselves in the foot
• 1:05:31
  a lot with with just dumb mistakes and dumb penalties,
• 1:05:34
  and it wasn't to do with the quarterback.
• 1:05:37
  I saw that again this week. Do I have any faith that even if love is
• 1:05:42
  in for Calgary that Hamilton can clean up those mistakes?
• 1:05:46
  And until I see it happen, I I can't buy it.
• 1:05:51
  So it's a tough one, but I'm gonna go Calgary.
• 1:05:54
  And what's our tiebreaker?
• 1:05:56
  Yeah, well let me just think about this for a little minute more because I well
• 1:05:59
  Yeah. Okay. If I talked you into something.
• 1:06:02
  I was in my mind, I was like, right,
• 1:06:04
  they should have used a two quarterback system and they didn't and
• 1:06:08
  No, I'm gonna keep it Ty Cats.
• 1:06:09
  my sister says Tie Cats unless VA and Mills are healthy,
• 1:06:13
  how are they going to score points against that Ty Cat defense?
• 1:06:17
  So
• 1:06:18
  Well.
• 1:06:18
  this all hinges on if VA plays or not.
• 1:06:21
  in case MJ two is listening, allow me to answer your question.
• 1:06:24
  How are they gonna score points against that Hamilton defense?
• 1:06:27
  Apparently they're going to run Mill close to the line and have him do
• 1:06:32
  a jump cut outside and go seventy yards for a touchdown.
• 1:06:35
  Eight or nine times. Because
• 1:06:36
  Yes indeed. Yes indeed.
• 1:06:38
  That's the new one that's the first time they've really played badly though.
• 1:06:41
  So I don't know.
• 1:06:41
  Yes, I know. And I'm being very facetious.
• 1:06:44
  I think they'll clean that up,
• 1:06:45
  but I was just
• 1:06:47
  I'm you know I'm gonna stay Ty Cats,
• 1:06:48
  they're gonna clean up that defense.
• 1:06:50
  hopefully I would like them to maybe start Frost and bring Trey in off the bench.
• 1:06:53
  Yes. Yeah, well there's yeah,
• 1:06:54
  But we'll see if Frost is it not injured.
• 1:06:57
  there's
• 1:06:57
  Through the entire riders game,
• 1:06:59
  bleeding green the way that I ~ do and that through the entire riders game
• 1:07:05
  I still maybe screamed at the TV twice.
• 1:07:10
  In that Tiger Cat game, I was throwing my puppy's stuffed toys at the screen.
• 1:07:16
  You friggin' idiots, just stop that run just adjust I get.
• 1:07:23
  Being beat continu Yeah, being
• 1:07:23
  Scott's back now, it'll be fine.
• 1:07:26
  being c beat the same way over and over and over again drives me crazy.
• 1:07:31
  You're a coach, adjust. Alright,
• 1:07:33
  sorry I the fans don't know this,
• 1:07:36
  the our viewers don't know this.
• 1:07:38
  I had a rant planned at the start of the show and then I had to back
• 1:07:41
  off because my facts weren't quite right.
• 1:07:42
  it was about Tommy Condell, but it could have been about this too.
• 1:07:45
  I'm in a ranting mood. Okay.
• 1:07:47
  Toronto at Saskatchewan. I'm gonna say Saskatchewan with absolutely
• 1:07:52
  no faith whatsoever. They Toronto
• 1:07:54
  Perfect.
• 1:07:55
  could ease Toronto beat them earlier in the season in Saskatchewan,
• 1:08:00
  could easily do the same thing.
• 1:08:01
  Mind you again, like I said, when I was thinking the Hamilton Calgary game,
• 1:08:04
  well, Calgary walked all over Hamilton in Hamilton.
• 1:08:06
  Calgary put up 54 points, 56 points,
• 1:08:10
  whatever against Toronto in Calgary,
• 1:08:11
  and then went and lost to them So who knows what'll happen with the return game.
• 1:08:15
  And this is kind of the same. I think that the defenses have figured
• 1:08:19
  out Chad enough. He's not getting all of the deep balls,
• 1:08:23
  which is how they were winning all the games.
• 1:08:25
  And I do think that you know,
• 1:08:28
  unless it turns out that Keyshawn Johnson and Emilus are both back
• 1:08:32
  out and our starting lineup has Shamir Bridges and
• 1:08:36
  Dull Duncan Busby and then a bunch of other people no one's ever heard of.
• 1:08:39
  You know, maybe, but I s I'm gonna pick Saskatchewan just 'cause they should win it.
• 1:08:43
  If they just play what they're capable of.
• 1:08:46
  Let's go with the MJ twos first and then we'll let you do the
• 1:08:51
  if there's a tiebreaker needed.
• 1:08:52
  she
• 1:08:53
  she picked Riders saying Argo suck and Harris has fewer turnovers.
• 1:08:57
  Yes.
• 1:08:58
  Although again I'm I don't know that we'll see the fewer of them until they
• 1:09:02
  get their timing issues worked out.
• 1:09:04
  But so that's two for the riders.
• 1:09:06
  Are you making it unanimous or?
• 1:09:08
  No, I unfortunately think that the Argos have put somehow figured something out,
• 1:09:14
  and I think I think Chad Kelly might make Ford's life a misery.
• 1:09:19
  Well,
• 1:09:19
  that's entirely possible and I like to see the loyalty of you sticking with
• 1:09:23
  our podcast team,
• 1:09:25
  Gives me no joy. It
• 1:09:26
  Yeah.
• 1:09:27
  gives me no joy. I this is not fun for me.
• 1:09:30
  Yes.
• 1:09:31
  yeah, and I mean he did that without his top receiver.
• 1:09:33
  I guess the best best defense in the league,
• 1:09:36
  so I don't know. I d
• 1:09:38
  Yes.
• 1:09:38
  I like and if Harris has this is the same issues with his receivers against
• 1:09:43
  the BC defense, I think he's gonna be in trouble.
• 1:09:44
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:46
  that's the thing is that BC defense,
• 1:09:48
  especially their pass defense isn't that good,
• 1:09:50
  but they couldn't do anything against it.
• 1:09:52
  So I would not be at all surprised to see them lose this one,
• 1:09:55
  but I don't want to pick against them and then have them put together
• 1:09:58
  the game they're capable of. You know,
• 1:10:00
  I picked the tie cats, you don't need to tell me
• 1:10:00
  it's Yeah.
• 1:10:02
  don't just don't give it away.
• 1:10:05
  All right, so
• 1:10:07
  the podcast is picking riders there,
• 1:10:09
  but you've got Toronto. And then the last one,
• 1:10:11
  B C at Ottawa. Well
• 1:10:13
  Okay.
• 1:10:14
  It's Ottawa, so
• 1:10:15
  I we have we have and I've
• 1:10:16
  We have both picked Ottawa to win at one point in the season.
• 1:10:20
  been been embarrassed enough and yes BC has to go all the way across to Ottawa.
• 1:10:26
  It's not going to Montreal, so Ottawa's a little bit easier to do that with.
• 1:10:30
  There's not the St. Catharines distractions.
• 1:10:33
  I can't this Ottawa team is just in free fall.
• 1:10:36
  I don't see them having a prayer.
• 1:10:38
  I'm gonna go BC.
• 1:10:40
  The Ottawa defense will play them well,
• 1:10:42
  but
• 1:10:44
  That's about it.
• 1:10:45
  Does MBT start? seen I
• 1:10:46
  Good good question.
• 1:10:48
  I haven't seen any reports about who's taken first team reps and Dinwiddie they said
• 1:10:52
  was non committal when asked about it after the game.
• 1:10:56
  Tyree Adams is ~ does he I asked if Tyree Adams was still in B C
• 1:11:00
  or if he's been released,
• 1:11:02
  He's been released. Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  so
• 1:11:05
  So is Jared Dagey from Hamilton.
• 1:11:07
  Yes, Jared. yes, our notable release we missed.
• 1:11:08
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:11:10
  Jared Deggy is not
• 1:11:12
  you guys were talking about that how Ryan hasn't won and that last that that last
• 1:11:17
  game. That last game
• 1:11:17
  Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  that he won, that was the game where Deggy was like to the Elks like,
• 1:11:21
  You cut me in like making the scissor caught
• 1:11:23
  Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  things at them, like, You cut me,
• 1:11:25
  you cut me and now like what's Hmm So has everyone,
• 1:11:28
  So is everybody else. Yes.
• 1:11:31
  Deggy.
• 1:11:32
  Yes. Apparently they they released him and did bring in another college quarter
• 1:11:39
  ex college US quarterback. I didn't even catch the name.
• 1:11:41
  Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
• 1:11:42
  I stopped
• 1:11:43
  paying any attention when they said his his college completion percentage
• 1:11:47
  was sixty percent. So yeah.
• 1:11:49
  Cool.
• 1:11:51
  Right. I mean, why not?
• 1:11:53
  Yep.
• 1:11:53
  Yeah, that's that's what you need.
• 1:11:55
  Hi.
• 1:11:56
  Yeah, I'm looking forward to another weekend of Horvath hurdling over people
• 1:12:00
  and punching and touchdowns and he's ahead of Tommy now.
• 1:12:02
  yeah, against that against that Ottawa defense is quite possible,
• 1:12:04
  look out world
• 1:12:07
  yes.
• 1:12:09
  And and are we is it a sweep? There's it did I ask about infantry
• 1:12:14
  two on this already?
• 1:12:14
  ~
• 1:12:15
  she said, I wish this wasn't so easy,
• 1:12:17
  go Horvath.
• 1:12:18
  Yes. Go Croatian in Hungary.
• 1:12:22
  ~ well I gotta tell you, you said
• 1:12:23
  dear.
• 1:12:25
  it gives you no joy to take Toronto.
• 1:12:27
  I have gotten a minimal amount of joyous ~ moments from the CFL out over
• 1:12:33
  the last two or three weeks. And it's not just that the riders have lost games.
• 1:12:38
  I understand why they've lost them.
• 1:12:40
  I'm not happy about it, but you can't play like that and have any hope of winning.
• 1:12:44
  But it's just the games haven't been good lately.
• 1:12:47
  They've been Yes.
• 1:12:48
  I feel like we're like in the mid season slump.
• 1:12:51
  We've got enough injured people and
• 1:12:54
  I don't know, it's just yeah. Like we were to me at least,
• 1:12:57
  and I have a very rose colored glasses,
• 1:13:00
  so I could go back and look at the stats and find,
• 1:13:02
  I'm completely wrong on this. But the way I remember it,
• 1:13:05
  the first four or five weeks of the season,
• 1:13:07
  every game was coming down to the last two or three minutes.
• 1:13:11
  Everything was decided right at the very end,
• 1:13:15
  or at least teams were within one score at that point.
• 1:13:17
  You look at the games this weekend and
• 1:13:21
  Yeah. That Winnipeg Edmonton game was the only one that was within one score.
• 1:13:25
  You know? Fourteen points in in BC,
• 1:13:29
  nineteen points in Toronto, thirty points in Montreal.
• 1:13:35
  And as I said earlier, TSN starts treating us to the best catches
• 1:13:41
  of the CFL this season or the best wild weather games,
• 1:13:46
  highlights
• 1:13:46
  like
• 1:13:47
  from those just to keep people on the game.
• 1:13:50
  Marshall Ferguson was like telling stories.
• 1:13:52
  Like I don't even knew think he knew there was a game on at some points
• 1:13:55
  Yes.
• 1:13:56
  in time and yeah, Glenn's just like off on like it was yeah but yeah.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah. Yeah, and we didn't even
• 1:14:02
  mention the fact that that Toronto game was delayed by an hour because that's
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  how bad the weather was. It was like
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  Awful.
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  the lightning is what finally delayed it,
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  but the pregame when they first went it by it was about five minutes into
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  the pregame that they announced the game start would be delayed and
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  the shots they were showing there,
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  the the Argos championship banners were literally horizontal.
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  They were flying straight out in that wind.
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  well. You and me, we got through this one on our own.
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  And yet Hamilton did not
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  feel we did not field a pot a running game,
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  even though the yeah, anyway.
• 1:14:39
  Yeah. And with Trey in there you should be able to ex use him to stretch
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  the the edges a bit. I'll give whoever's calling the plays in Hamilton
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  the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to use a running game when almost every series
• 1:14:54
  starts first and fifteen, first and twenty.
• 1:14:56
  Yep. Yeah, you can't.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm done. How about you? Got anything more?
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  That's it, that's it. No,
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  Okay.
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  I've bashed on my team enough.
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  Sure.
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  Give the folks any final thoughts you have and
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  yeah, so sad news today that Dolly Parton passed away.
• 1:15:12
  ~ I didn't hear that.
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  yeah. So, you know, go go read a book,
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  go donate a book, donate to your public library,
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  do a do something kind for someone else,
• 1:15:23
  be be like Dolly. yeah. It's really sad.
• 1:15:26
  And you can find me Instagram,
• 1:15:28
  running the show over there and
• 1:15:31
  Yeah, we'll see how I feel posting this weekend with these games
• 1:15:34
  Okay.
• 1:15:35
  over on Blue Sky at sports and plants.
• 1:15:38
  Yes. Well and ~ and yeah,
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  I mean they were talking about ~ Lorenza Malden on the weekend and saying he's still
• 1:15:47
  in the race against Father Time,
• 1:15:49
  but it's a race you ultimately can't help but lose and I know that's true,
• 1:15:53
  but that is still very depressing to hear about Dolly.
• 1:15:55
  Yeah. She was one of the best,
• 1:15:57
  She was yeah, I've no idea what
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  right?
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  she was like as a person, but what I saw of her seemed very genuine and good and
• 1:16:06
  The world is a lesser place without her.
• 1:16:08
  So hate to end on that sad note,
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  but there we go. Yeah, you can find Yeah,
• 1:16:13
  Donate to Yeah, donate to some books to some kids and be like Dolly.
• 1:16:18
  exactly. And it
• 1:16:19
  means puts in perspective that who cares if a football game goes bad.
• 1:16:23
  Yeah.
• 1:16:24
  That's all that it is. So for me,
• 1:16:27
  you can find me as at the CFL outsiders on
• 1:16:31
  just about any platform except Instagram where it's MJ or Facebook,
• 1:16:35
  which we just don't do. And other than that,
• 1:16:38
  I yeah. Let's hope for a better week of football.
• 1:16:43
  to tell you the truth, this looks to me like another weekend of probably
• 1:16:49
  not close football, or if it's close football,
• 1:16:51
  bad close football.
• 1:16:54
  My prediction for the week. So,
• 1:16:57
  maybe I'm a little grumpy, but for a change this week maybe I'll close
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  by saying for MJ, this is old man,
• 1:17:04
  saying till next week, get the hell off my lawn.