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Jaguars Happy Hour | Jaguars Eagles Review, Fan Questions After Week 5 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Victory Monday, October 12th. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by Jet Home Loans.
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  Speaker 1: And now, newly hired third string long snapper, Kainane Stephens.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can make the cut. Devon
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  Speaker 2: Hamilton might have that thing locked down. Welcome into happy
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  Speaker 2: hour brought to you by Jet Home Loans. I'm Kainani Stevens,
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  Speaker 2: as mentioned, third string long snapper. Pete Prisco from CBS
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  Speaker 2: Sports and Austin Lane are with me today. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to go over what's coming up, though, because we sure
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of talk about after that game. It's
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  Speaker 2: presented by Deep Eddie Vodka, handcrafted with real fruit, proud
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  Speaker 2: partner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. So there's a big, big
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  Speaker 2: time kick by Little to end the game and obviously
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  Speaker 2: get the win. And the cardiac cats are back because
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  Speaker 2: I was stressed out. watching this game i don't watch
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  Speaker 2: games well apparently um and that was just a lot
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  Speaker 2: for that early in the morning for me but we
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  Speaker 2: will keep it real about coaching decisions across the league
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  Speaker 2: not just in this game but just choices were made
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll also answer some of your fan questions
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  Speaker 2: because we got a lot of really good ones today
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  Speaker 2: i might spread them out throughout the show but Welcome
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  Speaker 2: in to Pete and Austin. And you guys, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that was the start of a long day of football,
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  Speaker 2: but it was quite a start to a day. Just
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  Speaker 2: everybody's had a full day now to think about it.
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  Speaker 2: What are our thoughts after all of that?
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  Speaker 3: Pete, go ahead, man. You got it first.
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  Speaker 4: Well, okay.
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  Speaker 5: I'll start out by saying if you win a game
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  Speaker 5: like that, You should go to the locker room and
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  Speaker 5: thank your lucky stars.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone felt good. Yeah. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was very fortunate for sure.
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  Speaker 4: But it's also something you can build on.
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  Speaker 5: And I've seen that in this league a long time
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  Speaker 5: where a team wins a game they shouldn't win. And
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  Speaker 5: it kind of realizes that, hey, maybe we're not as
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  Speaker 5: good as we thought we were. And we got to
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  Speaker 5: pay attention to details and penalties and mistakes and drops
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  Speaker 5: and everything else and get refocused. So the good can
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  Speaker 5: come out of that.
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  Speaker 4: But boy, that was tough to watch on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I said going into that game and also
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  Speaker 3: the Houston Texans game coming up where those two games
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  Speaker 3: will tell you what kind of locker room you have.
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  Speaker 3: Because at least on paper, there's supposed to be two
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  Speaker 3: games that you're supposed to win. Now, I'll be honest.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the Eagles game. would have been handled pretty decisively.
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  Speaker 2: It was like the quintessential trap game, apparently. As soon
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  Speaker 2: as it started, I was like, no.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently, but they're missing Saquon. They're missing Devontae Smith. That offense,
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  Speaker 3: you couldn't fathom them putting up any points at all.
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  Speaker 3: You just didn't see how the Eagles were going to
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  Speaker 3: get it done. Well, it became a sloppy game. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: we'll get into some of the coaching decisions, the clock management.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes you want to say, okay, well, the players
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  Speaker 3: just didn't play good. And sometimes you want to say, well,
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  Speaker 3: was the preparation there? From top to bottom on that offense,
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  Speaker 3: and the offensive line especially, I don't think anybody really
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  Speaker 3: had a great day, Pete. So when you can couple
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  Speaker 3: that and then the penalties as well, once again, carrying
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  Speaker 3: on from Cincinnati, to me that was more of was
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  Speaker 3: this team really prepared? Were they executing like they should
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  Speaker 3: have been against a team that they probably should have
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  Speaker 3: handedly beat? And the answer is, well, no, they were not.
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  Speaker 3: So when it comes down to that, you look at, okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't exceed expectations, played down to the competition's level,
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  Speaker 3: and You know, that's when the leaders are going to
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  Speaker 3: have to come up and almost like bring the coaches
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  Speaker 3: up a little bit and win one for the coaches.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what it seemed like that game was yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: So to echo Pete, like, yes, this is a game
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  Speaker 3: you can build off, obviously, even though it should have
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  Speaker 3: been a pretty decisive victory. It wasn't. But I think
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  Speaker 3: this Jaguars team kind of took Liam Cohen and said, hey, man,
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  Speaker 3: we got your back for this one. Let's get this dub.
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  Speaker 2: I don't always do this, but I feel like there's
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  Speaker 2: so much going on. We should almost start at the
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  Speaker 2: beginning and go through because on the kickoff, we're already starting.
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  Speaker 2: We come in last week. We talk about penalties. We
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  Speaker 2: talk about, oh, it's, you know, it's partially officiating crews.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But also like you cannot do that. You cannot have
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  Speaker 2: 13 penalties a game and they have 13 penalties a
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  Speaker 2: game and they had offsetting penalties and a fight that
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  Speaker 2: we didn't even see. until the third quarter.
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  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 5: Who was, because did they ever say who the hole,
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  Speaker 5: was it on Combs?
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  Speaker 2: It's on Combs, but the best part is when they
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  Speaker 2: do the slow-mo, he just gets trucked over and I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand how that's a hole they call. It was
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  Speaker 2: a terrible call.
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  Speaker 4: So it should have been 7-0 to begin with.
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  Speaker 5: Correct. And then they would have had offsetting penalties. and
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  Speaker 5: they were to decline the one on.
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  Speaker 4: Them, so it should have been 7-0.
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  Speaker 5: That was a terrible call, because I watched the tape today,
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  Speaker 5: and when you watch the tape, you can really see it,
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  Speaker 5: and you see the two guys over there having their
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  Speaker 5: little fight on the thing, and then it cuts off
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  Speaker 5: right away, but terrible, terrible penalty on Combs, because he
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  Speaker 5: didn't hold. Like you said, he got trunked.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know what this whole thing now is.
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  Speaker 3: When a player runs to the side of you, and
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  Speaker 3: your opponent's trying to grab it and make a tackle...
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  Speaker 3: and that's an automatic hold. That's what it seems like
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  Speaker 3: they're calling now, and it's a football play. It's not
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  Speaker 3: a holding play. So, listen, like, you know, watching it back,
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  Speaker 3: obviously it was a egregious call and everything, but, like,
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  Speaker 3: it's funny because I saw that play happen. Josh Cameron
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  Speaker 3: takes it to the house. I'm like, okay, here we go, right? Like,
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  Speaker 3: this is what it's going to be. I was going
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  Speaker 3: to Uber eat some brunch. Never mind. I'll go pick
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  Speaker 3: it up myself because this game might be over by halftime. Like,
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  Speaker 3: this is what we all thought.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look at Combs.
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  Speaker 5: Watch him.
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  Speaker 4: He's a turtle.
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  Speaker 2: He's that guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's a turtle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He was on his back, and he couldn't get up.
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  Speaker 4: He was a turtle.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's what that was.
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  Speaker 3: So then this gets called back. Players get ejected. And
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  Speaker 3: it was at that moment where I'm thinking, okay, this
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  Speaker 3: might be one of those games.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the refs are already making an appearance, and we
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  Speaker 2: haven't even officially gotten into the game yet. So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you knew it was not great.
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  Speaker 5: But that was a good trade, getting ejected, because he
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  Speaker 5: got rid of the fourth or fifth pass rusher for
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  Speaker 5: one of their starting linebackers.
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  Speaker 4: So that's a good trade.
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  Speaker 3: But also, I mean, are we going to– I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what we're tossing people over?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it's... Yeah, like why is that an injection?
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  Speaker 3: You know, yeah. I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a good look at the.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the turtle.
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  Speaker 2: On the left there. That was the hold as he got...
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  Speaker 2: Held him as he fell to the ground, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that was not a hold.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It was a terrible call. So seven points off the board,
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  Speaker 5: but you're right. You get the message and right off
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  Speaker 5: the bat, you're saying, okay, well, here they go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then... So Jaguars, Eagles got the kick, won the
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  Speaker 2: coin toss, so they deferred. So Jaguars have the ball
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  Speaker 2: to start that first drive. Holding, sack fumble, I guess
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  Speaker 2: you could call it, whatever Trevor's. It was a long,
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  Speaker 2: long day for Trevor dealing with the defensive front from
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles, but that kind of fumble situation, not great.
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  Speaker 2: Delay of game, second and 40. Eventually, they have to punt.
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  Speaker 2: And then Ross Madison goes to make the tackle, dives
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  Speaker 2: out of bounds into the Eagles' sideline and hurts his shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the last play of the game that
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  Speaker 2: he was involved in. And so immediately we go into Eagles'
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  Speaker 2: first drive. They go forward on fourth down. Deham gets
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  Speaker 2: a great stop. Virtual measurement. They check the virtual measurement,
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  Speaker 2: which I didn't know was a thing that they also
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  Speaker 2: will do once they brought that in. So call stands
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  Speaker 2: as it is. They turn over on downs. And then
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  Speaker 2: going the other way, you get the Parker Washington touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: At first, I was like, OK, this is chaos. And
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  Speaker 2: then you get your first Parker touchdown. You're like, OK,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we can get on the board here, turn this around.
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  Speaker 2: Parker's played well in London historically. We know he can
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  Speaker 2: be a big playmaker for this team. Get that going.
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  Speaker 2: And then after that, you got Devon Hamilton in at Snapper,
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  Speaker 2: which is just, we saw that last year in the
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  Speaker 2: Titans game at Nashville, and I didn't think we were
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  Speaker 2: going to see it again so soon.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and that was the wild thing, too, because I
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  Speaker 3: felt like I was getting gaslit yesterday watching the Eagles broadcast,
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  Speaker 3: it seemed like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it never happened before.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's like, did Devon Hamilton snap last year? No,
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  Speaker 3: I had to recollect my memory thinking, did I get
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  Speaker 3: punched too much in fighting? Where I could have swore
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  Speaker 3: Devon Hamilton handled it pretty much last year and they
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  Speaker 3: didn't really skip a bead. And yeah, I mean, like, listen,
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  Speaker 3: Pete wants to give him all the credit in the world,
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  Speaker 3: maybe the best defensive player on the Jaguars. I might
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  Speaker 3: not disagree with him right now, but then look at
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  Speaker 3: him stepping up too and being another long snapper when
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  Speaker 3: he has to be. Now, was it perfect? No, but
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  Speaker 3: given that situation, given the circumstances with the game on
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  Speaker 3: the line, we'll talk about later with that Cam Little kick.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, props to Devon Hamilton for stepping up because
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  Speaker 3: as someone who was a college long snapper back in
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  Speaker 3: my day, I lasted three spring practices and coach said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't for you. And that was it. Like, it's
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  Speaker 3: not an easy job to do.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, he was actually better on the punt
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  Speaker 5: snaps than he was on the extra point and field
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  Speaker 5: goal snaps.
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  Speaker 2: I think what, at least from my point of view, Pete,
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  Speaker 2: you tell me if you think this. It seems like
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  Speaker 2: he keeps, he just does it the same every time,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of at Logan's chest if he's ready
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  Speaker 2: to punt and kind of does it at the same
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  Speaker 2: level rather than trying to get cute with it. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why a lot of them were high. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that's an excuse, but I'm assuming he doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: how to do it. So he kind of just does
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  Speaker 2: it the same every time.
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  Speaker 5: Plus his hands are taped, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. I believe he took it off once he knew
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  Speaker 2: he was going to have to continue to do or
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  Speaker 2: lessened it some degree. But yeah, he's got his gloves
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  Speaker 2: on and he's got the big tape on. So if
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to have some dexterity and actually get that done. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: as mentioned, you know, 300 plus pounds trying to go
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  Speaker 2: upside down under your legs and long snap. There's a
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  Speaker 2: reason it is a specialist position.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, you know, you mentioned the starting drive.
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  Speaker 5: From the minute that drive started to the end of
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  Speaker 5: the game, Jalen Carter played like the guy from Fast
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  Speaker 5: Times at Ridgemont High when they destroyed his car. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: that's what he played like. Remember Forrest Whitaker?
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  Speaker 3: I got you, man. I got you. It's a reference.
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  Speaker 5: It was like.
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  Speaker 4: It was unreal.
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  Speaker 5: And I told you, I watched him last week, and
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  Speaker 5: he was playing with the club on his hand. And
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  Speaker 5: the tape, he was trying, but he'd get passed down
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  Speaker 5: and he'd get double and triple teamed and he couldn't be, well,
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  Speaker 5: Jacksonville couldn't, if they tried to double him, they weren't
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  Speaker 5: beating him. He was beating everybody.
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  Speaker 2: He was just beating Ezra. At a certain point, I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, please just stand in front of him
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  Speaker 2: because he was just running by.
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  Speaker 5: And then he beat Cole Van Lannen on the one
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  Speaker 5: when he went around the outside and beat him on
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  Speaker 5: that one. I mean, he was everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: It was unreal how well he played.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what he should be, by the way. He
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  Speaker 5: doesn't always play to that. But remember, that was kind
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  Speaker 5: of a national TV game, so to speak, because it's
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  Speaker 5: a standalone.
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  Speaker 4: That's what he does in those kind of games.
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  Speaker 2: And that's like... to me that's the epitome of game
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  Speaker 2: wrecker when you talk about a player that can can
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  Speaker 2: control a game and yes i understand the eagles lost
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  Speaker 2: but he wrecked that any any semblance of a game
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  Speaker 2: he was just dominant.
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  Speaker 5: By the way pregnant had the hold i think on
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  Speaker 5: the first drive.
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  Speaker 2: Yes he had a couple several.
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  Speaker 5: It was he had three three penalties but i think
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  Speaker 5: one of those was really questionable i thought The one
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  Speaker 5: on Carter, when he pulled, when he, when they asked
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  Speaker 5: him to pull and try, he didn't even do that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I agree with you, Pete. Like, listen, this is,
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  Speaker 3: this is becoming an epidemic with, with, with these flags, man. And,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't understand it. Like, They used to err
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  Speaker 3: on the side of letting the guys play, especially in
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  Speaker 3: the trenches. And for whatever rhyme or reason, that has
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  Speaker 3: gone to the wayside. And we're seeing every little thing.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm a defensive tackle now, all I'm doing is
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  Speaker 3: just sticking my hand out like this, going for a tackle,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll probably get the call. That's what it's become now.
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  Speaker 3: And I have no idea why it's become like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's frustrating, too.
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  Speaker 4: They had a lot of penalties, too, the Eagles, didn't
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  Speaker 4: they not?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had seven. Was it 20 total? I think
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  Speaker 2: they had seven as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so it's not like, I mean, Jacksonville's getting, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But Jacksonville had a lot of pre-snap garbage that they're
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  Speaker 5: back to. That reminded me of early last year.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, it does remind you of early season last year.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure we'll get into it, Pete, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure. I mean, some of it was definitely the noise,
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  Speaker 2: because as you could tell, it was very loud, specifically
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  Speaker 2: later in the fourth quarter when they were down the
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  Speaker 2: goal line, like even Trevor getting frustrated, right? Spiking the
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  Speaker 2: ball when they can't get the playoff. But that was
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  Speaker 2: it's just chopping. It's frustrating. It's not fun to watch either.
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  Speaker 2: Like even when you're calling it both ways, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: think they were overly.
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  Speaker 5: No, when you're second and 15 and second and 17
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  Speaker 5: and you're behind the sticks the whole time, it takes
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  Speaker 5: you out of any... Anytime they tried to get in
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  Speaker 5: any sort of rhythm, they couldn't. And no, they're not
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  Speaker 5: much as blamed as anybody, though.
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  Speaker 3: They were sloppy.
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  Speaker 5: It was sloppy across the board. They were getting beat
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  Speaker 5: up front. They were holding when they did get beat.
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  Speaker 5: And then the pre-staff penalties infuriate me.
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  Speaker 4: If I was a head coach, those are the ones
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  Speaker 4: that would drive me up a wall.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and especially down towards the goal line, too, where...
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  Speaker 3: You know, and we wait a little bit to get
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  Speaker 3: into that. No, you can get into it.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, in terms of the brand of
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  Speaker 3: football that you're trying to display is physical. Okay?
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 3: And then granted, yes, you're going against Jalen Carter, who
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  Speaker 3: was the reincarnation, it seemed like, of Aaron Donald that game. Okay, fine.
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  Speaker 3: But you did have a little success every once in
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  Speaker 3: a while of running between the tackles, or if not, then,
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  Speaker 3: you know, pitch it and let two and have that vision,
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  Speaker 3: because now he's getting better with the vision, too. Like,
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  Speaker 3: when he gets the ball in space, he does a
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  Speaker 3: great job of taking his time, locating, and then exploding
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  Speaker 3: in the hole. The whole goal line series, it just
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  Speaker 3: can't happen.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Let me tee us up for this.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't get into that whole thing because there was
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  Speaker 5: a couple of them actually that were garbage.
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  Speaker 2: We'll jump ahead. Fourth quarter. So they have that huge
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  Speaker 2: pass to Brent Strange, 27 yards. They get down to
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  Speaker 2: the one-yard line. So... They immediately have a false start
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  Speaker 2: penalty on Walker Little, who's coming, because Anton Harrison hurt
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  Speaker 2: his knee, so he's in.
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  Speaker 5: He flinched.
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  Speaker 4: He flinched when a defensive lineman in front of him moved.
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  Speaker 4: He flinched.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. Then Basial Tootin goes to the right, has a
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  Speaker 2: gain of two. Then penalty, delay of game. No play.
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 4: That stayed excusable. That should never happen.
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  Speaker 2: On the second and four at that point. So then
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence incomplete to Brian Thomas. to the right side.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: Then penalty delay of game. Again, it's third and nine
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: goes to third and 14.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: Real quick to Pete on that play to Brian Thomas.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: Is that how you catch that ball?
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, he has to have that, right?
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: I understand. It's a hard play to make us like
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: I kind of tripped up a little bit, but you
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: still got to make that play.
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: And by the way, it was glossed over on the broadcast.
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: The throw that Trevor made on the first goal line
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: situation at the end of the half, he should have
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: caught that one. It looked like.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: There were two. Yeah.
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: At halftime, they should have caught that. And then this
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: one looked like his heel came down in, but then
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: his toe was out of bounds. He wasn't able to
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: come down.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: And here, I think this is the, this is the
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: second one.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, this is when him.
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: And Trevor get frustrated.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: This is Trevor getting mad, which is about as mad
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: as we've ever seen Trevor. This is the second delay
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: of game, I think, or the.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: First delay of game. Listen, I was there, too. I
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: almost threw my remote at the exact moment, too. So
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that me and.
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: Trevor launched in the same zone. And that's just sloppiness.
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: And by the way, you could see during the game
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: he was having trouble getting the play calls in on time,
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: and he was coming to the line and banging his
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: hands to snap it a couple different times, and they didn't.
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: Get the delay of game.
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: Pete, let me ask you this, because it looked like
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: he kind of went to Hainsey a little bit after
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: that then and kind of said something to him. Is
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: this more on the center or is this on Liam Cohen?
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: I think it's on Liam, the quarterback, and the center.
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: But I think it's the play call coming in and
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: then Trevor getting it out and getting to the line
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: of scrimmage.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: You've got to.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: Be able to get– I don't understand.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: It's not just him.
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: It's a league-wide thing.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: You see it a lot.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: Get the play in. get to the line of scrimmage
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: and be able to get out of the play. He
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: has kill plays. He has, he can check to a
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: different play, but if the play clock's going down, you're
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: not checking out of anything.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: But here's what I asked you. Cause we watched Aaron
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Rogers last week. Absolutely. Cuss out Mike McCarthy for not
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: getting the play in, you know, and I get it's
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rogers. So he's built up a little more. No,
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: but like we have seen Liam and Trevor kind of
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: go back and forth a little bit. And that's football sometimes.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: I was just surprised that he went after Hainsey more
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: than like, look at the sidelines and say, let's get
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: the call in. So that's why I was wondering.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: What happened there is I think he gave him the signal.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: Give me the ball.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Give me the ball.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: And Hainsey didn't snap it. Okay.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: And Pete, do you also think there was some, I
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: know when they know they're going to a loud environment
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: like Denver, they practice a lot of silent count. They,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: they prepare for that. This Eagles game was an Eagles
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: home game essentially by crowd noise. And it felt like
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: the sound was getting to them a little bit. Not
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: only were they slow to get it in, they weren't
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: communicating as well either.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, probably. You saw a couple times where Trevor was
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: telling somebody to get over, and they got called for
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: an illegal procedure because somebody didn't get set on one
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: of those plays either. So if you're in that environment,
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: and it's different than what you thought it was going
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: to be, get the damn play in quicker. I mean,
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: if he gets the play in quicker, he comes to
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage, and he can get into what
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: he needs to get into.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: And he has the wristband again, right?
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, so.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: Call the play on the wristband, make it easy so
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: he can look at the wristband and go. It cuts
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: down on the verbiage. And when the verbiage is cut down,
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: Trevor should get the play. You know, they give him
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: a number or whatever. He looks at the play, reads
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: the play, goes and calls it, has a play, a
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: kill play, can come to the line of scrimmage, change
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: the play, which I think he did later in the game,
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: by the way. It looked like he got scolded for.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: And then you have time on the play clock. What's
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: the reason... Okay, Liam looks at his play sheet and says, okay,
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: let's go to our third and goal plays at the
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: eight-yard line. And he says, okay, I'm inside the 10,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: and we've got.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: This right here.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: And he goes to it. He says he gives it
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: to him. Then Trevor reads it off the wristband, and
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: away you go. It shouldn't be anything more than that.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Unless you're changing personnel, then that could slow it down sometimes.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, Parker Washington, we're going to do the abbreviated version
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and then get more into the details. But Parker Washington
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: comes up. You get a great kick. I mean, you
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: get a great touchdown to go ahead. Can't get the
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: extra point. Obviously, we know there's a backup snapper situation,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: so that's part of the deal, but still frustrating. The
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Eagles are able to get in field goal position and
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: get what we think is the game-winning field goal until
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni decides to tell his kicker to kick it inbounds,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: gives Amir Abdul a chance. who makes a great return
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: across midfield, and then Cam Little comes in and wins
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the day. I'm saying like eight different parts that we
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: could talk 20 minutes about, but it was chaos.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: It was absolute chaos. I guess we probably have to
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: go to break it pretty soon, but we can't just
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: bypass that Parker Washington touchdown either. After the break, we
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: have to talk about that catch too because on fourth
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: down with a game on the line, your wide receiver
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: one made a wide receiver one type of play.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: And the throw was pretty damn good too.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Of course, yeah.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: But again, Sirianni botched. That's botching a game one-on-one is.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: What he did.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: But not just because of the kickoff.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: You can go back, and we'll get more into this,
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: but you can go back to the whole sequence right
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: before the field goal. I mean, Jacksonville had one timeout. One.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: And they threw it twice, remember?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Instead of running it, yep. Mm-hmm. All right, there's a
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: lot to talk about today here on Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we will continue to do that.
• 18:39
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• 18:55
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• 18:57
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• 19:00
  Speaker 2: shopping is a pleasure. And we might have to, we're
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: going to have to vote on this because I don't
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: even know. Is it Devon Hamilton, your nose tackle slash
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: long snapper? Is it Logan Cook jumping up and doing
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: acrobatics to hold the ball? Cam Little with your game winner,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington, with two massive touchdowns. The reason you won
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: It's got to be Parker Washington.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Parker for you.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I don't understand, Pete. That catch, and it was the
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: only game going on, granted it was in the morning, right?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: But how I haven't seen that catch everywhere is beyond me.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I've seen Christian Watson more than I've seen Parker Washington.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I get that Christian Watson was impressive as well. But
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I remember when Odell Beckham Jr. had his catch, and
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: then the next day kids were mimicking it and everything.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: My son was just like, yeah, that was a good catch.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: He caught it one hand on fourth down to help
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: win the game. And I get it gets overshadowed because
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: of the Cam Little kick, but this is unreal.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I think we're spoiled, it's Parker.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: It's a great catch. It's a great throw.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: It's big time, you know, when you take a chance
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: like that, it's really puts things on the line.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: It's guts because you don't get that. You got a
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: whole different outcome. Maybe you're giving them ball right there.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: So it's a fantastic catch. And the kid is playing
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: out of his mind. You know, he's getting paid. And
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: every week it seems like the price goes up.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: If it already wasn't high enough, it's pretty damn high
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: And this is the thing. I mean, you can look
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: at the stats and, and the yardage and everything and
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the targets per game. But what you can't deny is
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: that when the game is on the line, Trevor's looking
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: one way and one way only. And we've seen this
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: a couple of times now. And I don't know if
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: that's what's going to get you over the top in
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: terms of a contract or whatever. But like that, that
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: to me is a deciding factor. And once again, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: think with going into this season, it was OK. Well,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: do you want to give him this money and everything? OK,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: we not paid Brian Thomas Jr.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: And I hate to say it, but, like, I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: after what we've seen with Josh Cameron, we're not even
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: really concerned what happens to Brian Thomas Jr. going forward. Like,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: now it's the Parker Washington show, and we're intrigued what
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Josh Cameron's been able to do so far.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Look, Brian Thomas Jr.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Has done nothing to warrant anything in the future. So,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: you know, Cameron is starting to make plays, and we've
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: seen that consistently now. And so the only difference between,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: you know, Cameron doesn't run that well.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: They're different skills. And Thomas does. Yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, Pete, and we say it every single week, right?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It's the speed of Brian Thomas Jr. It's the deep
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: threat of Brian Thomas Jr. Teams are respecting it. And granted,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the reason why the middle of the field
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: is open is still because of Brian Thomas Jr. and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: teams respecting him. But I think at some point you
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: have to ask the question of, are you more of
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a lethal offense with a guy like Josh Cameron who
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: can just run slants, get the ball in space, and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden he can lower his shoulder
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: and get you an extra 10 yards?
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Well, I will say this. On the play that Trevor
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: got picked off on, if he doesn't get hit, that's
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: a touchdown.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: He'll throw it to the corner.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: He runs under. He beat Quinion Mitchell on that play.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: He was trailing him. So if Trevor doesn't get hit,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: we're sitting here saying, oh, well, look at the big
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: play from Brian Thomas because it probably would have been
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: a touchdown. That's why people say, well, maybe they should
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: trade him at the trade deadline.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not trading him.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Now, if I can get max crosby and for brian
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: thomas jr and a first round pick or something or
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: a second round pick i'd consider that considering the way
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: they rushed the passer.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Pete let me ask you this do you think he
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: would warrant more than marvin harrison jr.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I think he'd warrant about the same okay probably.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah you're not going to get a one for him
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: so if you got a two for him maybe i
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: mean there's some receiver needy teams the chiefs the bills,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: but then you're trading a guy to somebody in the
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: conference that could take you down later on. So you're
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: risking that part of it. So, and we'll get into
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: the pass rush because it's a problem. I don't care
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: what they say. They can talk it up all they want.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: They can point to their sack numbers and everything else,
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: but that's a problem.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Pete, when we got into the nitty gritty at the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: end there, when, you know, the Eagles are about to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: get the field goal when you're talking about when they,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was to Goddard, they get across, right?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So they're well in field goal range and then they
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: throw it back to back.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: This is part of it. And Jacksonville had one time out, right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: They had one time out. Why would you throw that
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: first off?
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Lemon went out of bounds if I'm not mistaken.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: On the one play.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Pushed out of bounds.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: That's part of the problem. So the time he stopped
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: the clock there, but why are you throwing it?
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: They got the first down at the 34.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Is that right?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: It was 34. Yeah. It was a 48 airfield goal.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: They ended up kicking.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: But I mean, when Goddard caught the ball, it was
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: at the 34.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. It was at the 34 Jacksonville's 34.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Okay. So you're at, if you run it twice or
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: run it once, You get down, you get three or
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: four more yards. That's a short field goal by NFL standards.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Right, and there was 25 seconds on the clock at
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: So why not take the clock all the way down?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: There's going to be no more possessions.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: You take the clock all the way down to two
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: and then kick the field goal.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Why would you do that? That's not even an analytical thing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: That's just a malpractice of your coaching. It's not thinking ahead.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: There's no analytics involved.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you make it so that kick wins the game
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: or loses the game.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: That's basically what you do. Why even think about kicking off?
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Why even risk kicking off? So he botched it with
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: the time management before the timeout that Jacksonville called to
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: leave eight seconds on the clock. And then he botched
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: it even worse. We're not kicking a thing into... Where
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: do you kick that to? Paris? I mean, what's the next.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Closest you kick it out of the air in the stadium?
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, when I saw that, I go, what a moron. Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: And you know what?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: It was almost.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: He almost got away with it because if Abdullah keeps
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: running one more second, the game's over anyways.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: True.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: And he wasn't going to score.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, and, like, that's part of it. Like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I'm much more concerned about not running the clock down,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: kicking the field goal, and the game's over. You could
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: say you kick it out of bounds, but then the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Jaguars have how much time left to get essentially what?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Eight seconds.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, eight seconds. Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: If it was 15 seconds, you're right. But eight seconds,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: you put the ball on the 35.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: What happens?
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: If they complete a pass for 25 yards to the
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: middle of the field, you're not getting another playoff.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: So you play the sidelines. You know that defense.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: You play the sidelines.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And then you got to do a little trick play
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Hail Mary something or other. Right.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: That's all you're getting out of that. And this way
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: you kick off to him. He could always rip it
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: like he did.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I was still stressed, though, especially after they missed the
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: point after I was like.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Hey, that's a big boy field goal right there with it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where credit is due to because
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: we've talked about. Some of the kicks he's missed have
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: been more of a mental thing in more clutch positions
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of a game or where a kick really mattered, you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the one in the playoff game as well. And that
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: was about as big as it gets to walk off
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: win in London for him. I know he's a soccer
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: guy like yourself, so that was huge for him and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: all the soccer celebration after. But credit where credit is
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: due to have the mental fortitude in that kind of
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: moment with your backup long snapper to go out there.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Well, this is the miss earlier in the game.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: And that was not on him. That's on the snap.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was so high. and logan cook had
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: a hard time getting it down so that one wasn't
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: on him but the kick that he made i mean
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: when he makes that kick with the backup snapper you're
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: sitting there saying wow because i didn't think he was
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: going to make it i'll be honest with you i
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: did not think he was going to.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: See and granted that they tried to ice him too
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: right they called the time out but like i wonder
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: in that situation and once again you can ask we'll
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: have to ask him ourselves Like, he didn't really have
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: time to prep for it. Because, like, I didn't see
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Abdullah taking it like he did. You know, I figured
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: we were going to kick it to him. I mean,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: we all thought he was going to go out of bounds,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: first of all.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: By the way, right here on camera, we have the return.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: It was so well blocked.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I think credit to Heath Farwell. We
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: always give credit to him because he's one of the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: best coaches in the game, special teams coordinator Heath Farwell.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: They have this play written in where it's kind of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that running start for Abdullah Wright and the way that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: they block it out for this to open up on
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the side.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Look at the double.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: See the double right there? Yeah, the double was good too.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Quentin Morris and then Josh Cameron coming over as well
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: and goes down with two slash one seconds left.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah. By the way, if he goes to the 30...
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: he's not scoring and they don't get the key to
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: go off. And here's the field goal. Look, I mean,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: that's incredible. And he, and it was good by what?
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Five more yards.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: He knew as soon as he kicked it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: And I was screaming too. Cause I don't know if
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you saw it in the 22. So when they called
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the timeout to ice him, did Hamilton snap at the
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: practice it or not?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: He snapped it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: It was perfect.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Cohen talked after the game.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And that was his best snap of the day.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: It wasn't high.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: It was perfectly online.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't see that. And I'm like, man, if you're
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: going to ice, you at least get a practice rep.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: And then obviously the TV broadcast cut out, so we
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: couldn't tell. I'm like, man, I hope you got that
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: practice one in. Yeah, OK.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Look at Liam Cohen. That was funny.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on. That was a great bailout. How
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: could you not be happy? After all of that, that
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: taxing game, you're watching your stress, mistakes, penalties, just mental errors.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And then, oh, he still won. Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and by the way, he made his fair share
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: of them, too.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: He did. We will keep it real about coaching, including
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars, about some interesting decisions around the NFL. We're
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: going to try and stay on track here today, as
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: we have a lot to talk about. And we've already
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: talked on some of it, but stay with us here
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: on Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Jet Home Loans. Welcome
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: back into Jaguars Happy Hour. Time now to ask co-pilots
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: a question because this was quite the finish. So has
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: there ever been an NFL game with two go ahead
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: scores in the final 10 seconds? I stole this from ESPN,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of course, but yes, it's extraordinarily rare. But in fact,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars Eagle game on Sunday appears to be the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: very specific part of NFL history where it's the first
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: game in the Super Bowl era. So does that piece
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: 66 to feature two go ahead field goals in the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: final 10 seconds of regulation?
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: It's incredible. It really is.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: If you weren't sitting there watching it the way it finished,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: you wouldn't believe it all the way.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I had several people texting me like, oh, too bad
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: about the game. And I'm like, you didn't watch it. Well,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: because obviously like the one o'clocks were coming on. So
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think everybody stayed with it till the end.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: If that wasn't the game they're watching. I was like,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: you didn't watch it till the end.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: By the way, that went into the one o'clocks because
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: I had to do a post game. We have to
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: do post game of the early games before. as the
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: other games are starting. So I, by the time I
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: got off set, it was one 30. So I knew
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: it was late.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: It's probably all the penalties slowing us down right off
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the rip and everything else.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: It was, it was a, it was tough to watch.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It wasn't fun. I didn't feel good after that. Like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: even though they won, I was like, that's cool. But
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I still felt like physically drained from watching it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Because you get, when you're watching, and I do it,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I watch every game on Sunday.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: We have every game on.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: And I sit there and I watch it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I go, oh, my God, how sloppy they are and
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: how stupid they are and how dumb the coach is
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: and how smart this guy is.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Holding penalty and this, and it's just sloppy football. And
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: the officiating isn't helping it at all.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: But, Pete, and once again, like, far be it for
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: me to try to find a silver lining through all
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the cloudiness of what that London game was. But in
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the past, the Jaguars lose that game. and we're spending
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: the entire duration of the show questioning every single decision
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: that was made, questioning personnel, all that stuff. We're not
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: doing it. Like, they found a way to win. And, yeah, granted,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: going forward, it has to get cleaned up. Like, I
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: think we can start asking the question now, is this
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: who they are in terms of penalties? Because I thought
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati was the anomaly, right? And once again, like, yeah,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: some of these are questionable and everything, but the pre-snap penalties,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: some of the holding penalties– like that, that can't define
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: your game. Like they, they don't have the genetic makeup
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: right now to overcome that weekend and week out. Yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if anybody does, to be honest
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: with you. I mean, it's, that's tough. I mean, anytime
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: you're in third and long all the time or, you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: behind the chains, it's tough to come out from underneath that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I don't care how good you are. It's really tough
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: when your offensive line isn't playing well. So, and I
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: think a lot of those grabs.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And holds and going for whatever reason, the rep thinks
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: that that's a holding thing. like those, those can't happen.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: And what we're starting to see, and it's not just
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: a Jacksonville Jaguars, you know, Eagles problem, Kyle, like this is,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: this is like, I feel like a pandemic going around
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: the league. And once I opened the show with this,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know how we got to this point.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: We talked about it some last week, because while the
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Jaguars were a part of that really heavily penalized game,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it's across the league. And we had the two, the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: two refs that got suspended because of, you know, kind
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: of involving themselves in play and freaking out on the players. And,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping that at some point they'll reel it back
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: in a little bit, but it's just, it's a hard
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: product to watch and I'm sure it's frustrating playing in
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it as well.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: No, it's definitely frustrating playing in it. And one would
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: hope that it can get cleaned up a little bit
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: with this Houston game because Houston's going to bring a
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: defensive line to that. That's going to generate some pressure.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: And I guess, you know, circling back now to this
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Jaguars offensive line, more than likely there hasn't been an
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: announcement yet, but we do know Anton Harrison is injured.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: He's got a knee injury and, I mean, Kai, what
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: does that look like now?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Because I just watched Cole Van Lannen probably have his
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: worst game. I watched Walker Little. And once again, I
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: get it wasn't a big sample size, but I think
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: he's surrounded a pressure, you know, against the Eagles. Like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: is the plan now? Do you have Walker Little on
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the left? Cole Van Lannen on the right? Do you
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: move Cole Van Lannen to the left? Because he was
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: pretty dominant last year. Like what? What's the plan now?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I would assume they want to move as little as possible, right?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: When there's an injury on O-line, they always say, don't
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: upset everybody and put everybody in a new place. Let's
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: just work on the one issue. We don't know yet
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: if it'll be a long-term injury. Anton Harrison had a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: knee injury in the game against the Eagles. They had
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: an MRI done. We don't have the results back yet.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I imagine we'll hear something later in the week about that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: So if it's a long-term injury... walker little someone they
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: plugged and played everywhere as well as colvin landon i
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: guess but maybe just put a minute left and kind
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: of go with that but also it's this has now
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: become a couple weeks in a row where your o-line
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: maybe looked okay and then now it looks like this
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: might be an issue going forward and yes trevor is
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: much more confident and comfortable in the offense but If
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you can't protect your quarterback, you're not going to win
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: football games consistently.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Well, and let me ask you this. And Pete, I
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: feel like has been at the forefront. Hopefully we'll get
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: him back. Cause I'd love to hear his thoughts about it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: He's been at the forefront of campaigning for a more
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: defensive line help. Right. And I think we can all
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: agree like, yeah, you know, there is some pressure rate,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: but as far as getting the quarterback down, it's not
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: quite there. Should we be talking once again, knocking on,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: hopefully it's not a serious injury, but the way that
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Anton Harrison went off the field, it leads to believe
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: he might be out for a couple of weeks. Do
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: we need to have a conversation of do you need
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: to focus more on the offensive line in terms of
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: maybe finding another suitable person, or are you happy with
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: what they have right now there?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to have the conversation, but I think if
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: a change is going to be made, it's going to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: be an internal change because Pete's leading the charge on it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Jonah Monheim at center, he's also played some guards, so
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: there's that. Wyatt Milam, who they use at times in
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: special teams and in jumbo packages. could come in possibly
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: at a right guard position. So there are people on
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: your roster that are younger and might have a little
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: more push. If you're trying to be a more physical team,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: that's what they want to be. But they don't have
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: a ton of that in the center right now. Obviously,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Manuel Pregnan's a rookie. He's going to have games.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And you have to keep him in.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And look what he's going up against. I'm not going to.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: You're going up and you're dealing with that all day. Like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: more power to you.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Well, and let's not lie, because you're going to have
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: some challenges with, I think, a pretty good Steelers defensive
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: front later on in the year. You're going to see
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons twice, who is one of the best three techniques.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: And they have a good defensive line in their own right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if you wait until the bye
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: to make some changes. I mean, you don't want to
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: disrupt it right now, especially with Anton Harrison not knowing
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: how long he's going to be out for. Hopefully not
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: too long, knock on wood. But I think those are
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: some conversations that eventually have to be had because it's
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: the NFL. You're going to go against good defensive players
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: on that line week in and week out, and you're
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: getting ready to go against the Tennessee Titans twice who
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: they have one of the best in Jeffrey Simmons. And
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: we saw what one guy can do against you and
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: really change the game around.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Fully game-wrecked. Everything.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: All right. We're going to work on getting Pete back.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: We will take a quick break and then we will
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: try to get Pete and answer some of your fan questions.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of really good ones. Austin and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I will answer what we can and then we'll get
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Pete's wisdom for you later on in the show. This
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: is Jaguars Happy Hour brought to you by Jet Home Loans.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: carrying top 10 wide receiver i mean.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Listen kai we're talking about you know like the interior
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: do you replace anybody going forward you know after the
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: bye week i mean do you put devon hamilton at
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: center and i mean is he about to change the
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: game with his snapping prowess i mean the guy plays
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the reckless abandonment put him at center and see what
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: happens on a fourth.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And one Gosh. And well, also looking at what he
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: allowed for rushing yards. I mean, this is the second
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: straight week that their opponents have had less than 30
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: rushing yards, I think. So that's insane.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: And that's something I want to get into here in
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: a little bit. Remind me of those numbers again, please.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: But to answer the question, I mean, you know, it's
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: going to be Parker Washington simply because of the position
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: and what that position is making. Not to say I
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: feel like you get Devon Hamilton done first because to
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: me it's an easier contract. With Parker Washington, it's going
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to come bonuses, escalators, in terms of performance player bonuses.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: With Devon Hamilton, we're going to say, hey, man, go
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: stop the run. You do that, here's your paycheck. There's
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: not a lot of bonuses to get if you're Devon Hamilton.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: So a much easier contract, much easier language. So I
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: would say it's definitely going to be Parker Washington making
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: more money, but I hope Devon Hamilton gets done sooner.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: How high is the number going to go for Parker?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Because he's betting on himself. We don't know what the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: actual number discussions were, but we see some of the comps,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: if you will. Sure. Is it 30?
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Is it more? So it's wild how I thought the
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: comp was going to be the Michael Wilson contract, which
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: was 25. That was fun for a while. It lasted.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And I'm not even exaggerating. I think we're to Chris
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Olave numbers. Like, I think we're to 30, 31. I mean, like,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: you see what Chris Olave does for New Orleans, right?
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: He's their true one receiver. I thought this was going
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: to look much more like, okay, well, Parker's going to
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: have a great day, and then maybe the next weekend
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: it'll be Jacoby Myers the next weekend. No, like, Parker
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: is the go-to guy. So he essentially is a Chris Olave,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I feel like, for the Jaguars. So I think you're
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: in the Chris Olave range now.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And it's not my money, so I'm here to say
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: spend it for sure. I don't know how it affects
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the cap going forward. You can always find a way.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And this team just doesn't function without Parker Washington anymore.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I know we talk about spreading the ball around, but
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: really it doesn't.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Well, and Kai, I put this on Twitter. If we
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: have to, as a community, get together and donate plasma
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: as an entire community, entire city, I don't know, a
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: million people donating plasma, I'm sure we can probably help
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: the contract out a little bit.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Send the collection plate out. Pete, do we have you back? Yeah,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I'm here.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: I'm here.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: We're answering some fan questions. We're working through some stuff.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Working through some stuff. Pete didn't have his phone on silent.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Got a call, and here we are.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: We're not blaming Pete this time.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: We're not blaming Pete this time. Next one is about
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the penalties. How do we clean them up? These are
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the specific, the pre-snap ones. Also, never seen so many
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: holds on runs between the tackles before, Pete.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: And again, the pre-snaps stuff, get the play call in quicker.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: I think that matters now as far as flinching and.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: And those, you know, illegal procedures and not being set.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: That's on details. So, you know, focus on the details
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: this week. I click, I think you clean all that
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: stuff up. The holds, uh, that's just being out of
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: position and, and, You know, for example, Pregnant's hold, debatable,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: the first one, I thought. I thought that one was debatable.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: The one when he pulled out, that.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Was a hold.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: And he didn't need to do it. He just panicked
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: in the moment. And I think some of his stuff,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: because that wasn't one of his better games, I think
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: some of his stuff was panicking. I think some of
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: the other stuff was they were getting dominated up front.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, they were getting pushed around. And they got
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: to be better, you know?
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: And I keep saying... You know what I keep saying?
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Changes might be a coming sooner than later.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe they should be coming.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Pete, what do you, we talked a little bit when
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: we launched for a sec, but what do you think
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: they should do with if Anton's out for an extended
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: amount of time? I know you've been advocating for some
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: O-line changes. Those are more interior. Do you keep Walker
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: at left? Would you move some other people around? Cause
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Cole seems to be having some trouble on the right.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think Cole's all the way back to be
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: honest with you.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's, you know, again, you come off.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: A major injury like that and you come back and
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: you say you're back, but he doesn't look like the
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: same player he was a year ago. So, and I'll
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: give you an example, Tucker craft who plays tight end
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: in green Bay. It took him until yesterday for him
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: to actually start looking like himself again.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: And so I don't think Colvin land is back where
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Would I move Colvin land in the left tackle play
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: Walker little at right tackle. Maybe I would consider that,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: but I don't know. Cole Van Lannan's all the way
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: back yet. So, and by the way, in Washington tape,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Walker was actually pretty good in pass protection when he
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: went in on Sunday. Now the run game, not as good,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: but he was pretty good in pass protection. So I
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: don't know how I would play that. If, if, if
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Van Lannan was all the way back, I'd probably play
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: him at left tackle, but I don't know if.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: He's all the way back.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And pete we kind of talked about a little bit
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: too i mean obviously you know and you've been kind
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: of campaigning this and i think a lot of people
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: agree with you where do you look at you know
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: adding to the pass rush a little bit is there
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: anything out there in terms of the offensive line now
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: that scares you because we don't know the extent of
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: the anton harrison injury granted the way that he went
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: off one would assume that it's at least going to
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: be a couple weeks like do you think there's any
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: way that they maybe look at you know a possible
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: trade or even i guess the waiver wire in terms
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: of a possible tackle or interior to help the offensive
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: line a little bit. Yeah.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: I don't, it's so hard to find those guys because
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: you look at the, look at the Eagles line and
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: look what's playing you in the same situation with the
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: chargers to play in all kids and backups because of injuries.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: So I don't, in fact, I think the Jaguars and
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm going to say this.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I think they're a little fortunate that they actually.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Have Walker little right now.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, because the backup linemen in this league are awful.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: The starting lines, for the most part, are awful. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: so if you have a guy like that that can
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: go in and play, I think it was smart that
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: they kept him. Because who would be the backup tackle now?
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: If he weren't in there, who would be the third tackle?
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Milam, maybe?
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: And he's not played a lot of tackle.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Milam, or do you move the guy from Baltimore?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: What's the– Oh, McCary? No, Fulela.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, Fulela.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Fulela. He's a guard. Well, he's a guard, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: didn't he– yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Has Cleveland played tackle? Would you kick him out?
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: He played tackle in the preseason.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Remember, he played right tackle.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe kick him out.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's having a hard enough– that guy's having
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: a hard enough time to guard.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Making me a tackle.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I would seriously– and I'm going to say it again,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: and I looked at the grades for PFF, and I
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: couldn't believe it. You know, he was the top-rated lineman yesterday.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Who's that?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Who? Cleveland.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: That's how bad of a day everyone had?
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: No, they graded him like he had a good game.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to knock PFF because it's magic formulas
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: and no one actually knows what it is, but that's
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: what makes me question it. I have eyeballs. How is
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that possible?
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I thought he might have been the worst, honestly, yesterday.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I thought he was the worst.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: What are their qualifiers for best?
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: After I watched the tape, before I looked at the
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: PFF grades, I would have graded it that The right
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: tackle and the left tackle were probably about the same.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: They were one and two, not great. The left guard
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: had problems with the penalties and a couple other issues.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: The center was okay at times, but you know what
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: I feel about the center. I think the center gets overpowered.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Again, I think they need to make changes. Is bye
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: week the time to do something like that?
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: You're not going to make a change when you're winning.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: You know how coaches are.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: But Monheim, what if you, would Monheim and Milam change
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: the offense if you put him in?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, Pete. I know, I know Monheim
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: would because we know he's going to bring the table. Milam.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It might change your play call.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: It could change your play call. I mean, I keep
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: hearing like how good he is, but like, I haven't
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: seen enough footage to know, like, can he hold his own?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: But he, he looks stronger and plays stronger, I think,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: than Cleveland does.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, Cleveland's more of a finesse offensive lineman.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: And let's be real.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Cleveland's probably not going to be here after the year.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's in a contract year as well.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And Patrick McCurry, we're not even– Well, I.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Haven't seen him back yet.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: He's still on the IR technically.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: He took retirement and took the money.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. We got a lot more. We got
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: fan questions. We got a lot to catch up on.
• 45:24
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• 45:27
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• 45:36
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• 45:38
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• 45:41
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• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Jaguars eek out that 1917 win with a very dramatic finish. Pete,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: you got cut off a little bit earlier, so we'll
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: pick up with that when you're talking about additions on
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the defense. who and what and what would that look
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: like and how can they get that? I mean, in
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: terms of the pass rush, I think we're past the
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: point of just saying be better. It might need an addition.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, it needs an addition.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: It needs an addition.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is how many weeks do we come
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: here on Monday and we say they need to get somebody,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: they need to rush the pass or better.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: They need to do. And the ball came out a
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: little quick sometimes, but.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Is anybody– and Hines Allen made some good plays,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: but is anybody really sitting there– you're sitting there going, wow,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: look at that pass rush.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: I just don't see it. So you got to make
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: a move.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: No, I hear you, Pete. I'm not saying, wow, look
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: at that pass rush, but like– I did a little
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: deep dive and like, I find it really interesting because
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: you go back to 2017, Saxonville 17, right? Like that,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: that was the defense that I feel like really propelled
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jaguars. You couple that with the running game
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: of Leonard Fournette, the first five games of Saxonville, they
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: gave up 16.8 points.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: And now obviously what we saw that the makings of it,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: because that Houston game, if you remember Pete, like they
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: got CJ Stroud down, like I think seven times, Clarence
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Campbell had like four or five sacks himself. You go
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: to this season and, And they're better in terms of
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: points per game. They're giving up 14 points a game
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: right now. And you look at that number and say, OK, well,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: maybe it's an outlier, right? But then I'm like, OK, well,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you played the Bengals. You played the Patriots. And we thought, OK,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the Patriots were. Look what the Patriots just did against
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: the Raiders and the points they put up. So I
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: understand you need to get after the quarterback. But here's
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: what I think we're not talking enough about. And Pete,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: you know this firsthand because you've talked to GMs, you've
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: talked to NFL head coaches. The game is going towards
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: a more of a run first option, right? Teams are
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: putting an emphasis on running the football. The Jacksonville Jaguars
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: are specializing in stopping the run, right? So we've seen
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: the Patriots be shells in themselves because they can't run
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: the football. We've seen the Browns be shells in themselves
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: because they can't run the football. We've seen the Browns,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: or the Browns, the Bengals have an okay offensive output
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: but not win a game because they can't run the football.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: So I understand. There's got to be an emphasis on
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: getting the quarterback down, especially going back to that Bills
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: game last year where Josh Allen, you know, was scot-free,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: won the Bills the football game. But we can't forget
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: in terms of they have the ultimate advantage, it seems like,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: because the NFL is transitioning towards the Jaguar specialty of
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: stopping the run.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: No, I'll give you that. They're great at stopping the run.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: And those guys are all good run defenders. But usually
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: that translates to pressure. And I'm going to go back
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: to what you said. Let's go back to the games
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: where they needed to get guys on the ground in
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: key moments. The Bills game. They didn't get them on
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: the ground. The late in the Bengals game. they didn't
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: get them on the ground. Yesterday, they didn't get them
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: on the ground. The Broncos game, they didn't get them
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: on the ground. You gotta be in the moment, so
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: it doesn't have to come in flurry, like you're not
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: gonna be in the Minnesota Vikings where you're getting all
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: those sacks and pressures and everything else because they throw
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: so many exotic looks at you. But in the moment,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: do you have the belief, and this is the question
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: you need to ask, that the group that's constructed as
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: it is right now can get the opposing quarterback on
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: the ground in the.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Key moment but pete here's what i believe i believe
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: you have josh heinz down who had 17 and a
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: half sacks in a season so i think like eventually
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: he's got to get home i think trayvon walker he
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: can get home but yeah you're right like The stats
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: speak for themselves. They're not getting the quarterback on the ground.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: But wouldn't it be, okay, as much as we, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: I think Trayvon Walker can rush better from the inside.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: True.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Okay, so if Trayvon Walker rushes better from the inside,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: wouldn't it be in your best interest if you're really
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: going to go for the Super Bowl this year, which
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: I think they.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Legitimately can do. And you're close. You're a good team.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: Why not do everything possible to get a twitchy edge rusher? Sure.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: And listen, it's only going to help things. But then
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I also look at their secondary and I go, why
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: do we have Jerrion Jones in zone coverage when he's
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: clearly not a zone defender?
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: And why did you have Monteric Brown in man-to-man coverage?
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: And I was just going to ask that. Then why
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: do we have Monteric Brown in man coverage when he's
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: clearly not a man-to-man defender? So, like, this is what
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: complimentary football is. Is the pass rush hurting? Absolutely. Is
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: the secondary not really doing their part in helping him out?
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they aren't. Because I can sit here and pick,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Jalen Jones should be in zone coverage.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Monteric should be in man coverage.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: So.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: To me, it goes hand in hand, and I don't
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: know if it's more of a scheme thing where they're
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: trying to do new things and maybe those things aren't necessarily.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: But once again, it's 14 points a game they're allowing.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: So who am I to say that's not worth a beat?
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: And again, but how many good offenses have they played?
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati's good offense.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think the Patriots have found something recently.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they have recently, but the Broncos aren't a good offense.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: The Browns aren't a good offense. The Eagles certainly weren't.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: A good offense.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Eagles weren't.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: So, you know, I don't know how many good offenses
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: they play, but here's the other thing. If you can
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: call the Raiders in two weeks after they lose the
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: next two weeks because they play Buffalo and the Rams, they're.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Going to lose the next two weeks.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: When you call the Raiders on Max Crosby and make
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: the call, the Raiders traded him. Let's not forget that.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: What was the trade parameters for that? What was given back?
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Two ones, but you're not going to get two ones
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: for him during the season.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: But But they traded him.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: So they're more than willing to get rid of him.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: But would you get rid of another one?
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Particularly if the next two weeks blow up and you're
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: going to start maybe hearing the talk about playing Mendoza
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: and getting on with it. Then it's a total rebuild.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: So why wouldn't you call? With the Jacksonville Jaguars on
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: third down late in the game, you have Trayvon Walker inside.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: You have Max Crosby on the other side. You have
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: Josh Heinz-Allen and Armstead rushing to pass her. Doesn't that
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: put a little fear in the opposing quarterback?
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: No, it does, Pete. But you can't just quite look
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: at this from a fan. Put yourself in James Gladstone's
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: shoes quick. If you go after Max Crosby, because the
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: window is open, and this is very Rams-esque, if you will.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: If you go after Max Crosby, how much money is
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: he going to be making then?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: It has to be with a new deal, right?
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Well, not necessarily. I got to look at his.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. But you're going to be paying him
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: top dollar. So now you're gonna be paying Trayvon Walker,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Josh Hines, Alan, and you're going to be paying Max Crosby.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And on top of that, you're going to lose probably
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: your three technique, maybe an Eric Armstead because he'll be
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: another year older and you're going to lose your dress.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a, that's an easy get out the door.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: That's If I could give Eric Armstead right now his
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: contract and him out the door for Max Crosby tomorrow afternoon.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Get him out the door then. But then my question is,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: on that first round pick that you give up to
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: get Max Crosby, what's the plan for three technique next
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: year then? Albert Regis?
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: You drafted him. You drafted him.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: So you're going to have Albert Regis be your starting
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: three technique?
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Well, he might be. If you drafted him where you
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: drafted him, you clearly believe in him.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: He might be. Wesley Williams might be a good edge rusher.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know right now.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: But that's why you draft. But if you're going for it,
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: you go for it. I don't think... And this is...
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: I picked them to win the Super Bowl. Sure. But
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: I don't think the way they rush the passer, they
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: can win it. I don't think they can get Josh
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Allen on the ground in key moments. I don't think
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: they can get Joe Burrow even on the ground in
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: key moments if they play him. Lamar Jackson, we'll find
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: out if they get him on the ground in key
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: moments in a couple weeks. You know, then you go out...
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: You know, you play Mahomes. You're going to get him
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: on the ground in key moments. So you're going to
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: have to get to get to the Super Bowl. You're
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: going to have to get one of those guys on
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: the ground in key moments.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they could do that.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I think right now, because there's other ways to manufacture pressure, Pete,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: you know that. And obviously the defensive line sending for
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: it's not getting home.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: The issue is, is that when you blitz and you
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: send more than four, when you blitz, whether it's a cornerback,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: whether it's a linebacker or something, I feel like they
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: don't have the scheme set in place right now to
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: make up for that. Like, you... In defenses, you need
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: cornerbacks that can do both.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: No offense to the name, but having Lane on the field, too,
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: is like, I mean, they have a problem with him
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: on the field. He's not the guy they want back there.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: And then you had Merriweather playing 20-something snaps yesterday, too.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Did I miss him with Husky, by the way?
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I just think he only played three special team snaps.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: He was active.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: They just didn't put him out there.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: They played Merriweather.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: What did Merriweather play, 21? 22, something like that. Yeah,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: hold on.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Well, because they play three safeties all the time.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, so Rand Lane played 62 snaps, which was 100%
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: of the snaps. Merriweather played 21 snaps, 34%. And Husky
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: only played three snaps on special teams, didn't play on
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: defense at all.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: Lane should not be playing that many snaps, but you
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: have to because of injury.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Are they just really concerned about the rookie? At least
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Husky can hit. Yeah. Cause also lane was out of
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: position on that one touchdown where he got.
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: He came running up and took a terrible angle. The
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: one where he went by Monteric Brown, he took a
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: terrible angle. So, Again, I see what you're.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Saying, Austin.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: If you're going to blitz, go play man with Jarrion
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: Jones and Travis Hunter and lock them up.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Correct. And say, go ahead, you beat me.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: And Jarrion Jones got torched in man-to-man coverage, and he
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: got away with it. Remember, they did play zero blitz.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: He just didn't go with them. Yeah. I don't know
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: what that was.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: If he hits that, that's a different game. Wicks is
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: wide open.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: That was wild.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, did he just stop? That was
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: a mental breakdown. See, it looked like he thought he
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: was in zones.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: No, no, he jumped... No, he did a stutter and go.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: He read the stutter and kind of jumped the stutter
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: and went down the sideline.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: That was terrible.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: That was bad, yeah.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: You know, that's what you get with Jarrion, though. You're
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: going to get the aggressive play and you're going to
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: get the good with it and you're going to get
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: the bad with it. That's who he is.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: So.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: But I'm with you. If you're going to blitz, play
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: more man. If you're not going to blitz, then, you know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: but and we are nitpicking because they are giving up
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: 14 points a game.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: We're nitpicking.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: But I don't think in the moment of a key game,
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: they're going to be able to get the opposing quarterback
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: on the ground.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: And I think sometimes it's fair to be nitpicky because
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: this team relies so much on takeaways when they don't
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: get them. You need to have something else to fall
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: back on. And so because they can be finicky, yes,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: you can focus on that, but you can't guarantee takeaways.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And therefore, that's when some of the other stuff, the
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: issues shine through.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: By the way, they were working against a rookie right tackle,
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: a guard that was my size in Lampkin. By the way,
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: he's my patron saint because he wore the same number
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: I wore.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: In high school, 61.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: I love the little guy, but come on, let's be real.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: And he did a nice job.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: A center who made his first start, and then.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: When the right guard, Steen, went out, they brought in
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: old Johnson, Fred Johnson, to play right guard. So it
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: wasn't like they were working against the old Dallas Cowboys
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: offensive line of yesteryear. They were working against a bunch
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: of bumpkins, and they still couldn't get home.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like every time when we see there's going
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: to be a backup lineman in, it ends up being
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: a worse game for the fast rush. It's like you
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: go in expecting more, and then it's less than.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: We can wrap this up and talk about something else here,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: but you go to the Broncos game, they lose. They
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: didn't play well. You go to the Eagles game where
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: they got lucky by the skin of their teeth where
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: they won that one. But in those two instances... Once again, yes,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: the defense was porous. Waddell had a field day, obviously,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: we saw. We saw a bunch of receivers, we maybe
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: never heard of before, for Philly, get touchdowns and everything.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: But I go back to the 14 points a game. Like,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: this is an offensive identity team. Like, this is led
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: by Liam Cohen. This team was designed to put up points. So, like,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: how much of it– I mean, we can sit here
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: and say, get after the quarterback, get the quarterback down, right? Okay, fine.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: But I feel like the defense is doing their part. Like,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: do we need the offense to also step up their
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: game a little bit and score more points? Because if
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: you have a defense who's given up 14 points a game–
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: If I'm an offense, I'm licking my chops.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: That's a good point.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: We talked all offseason about this high-flying offense and what
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: it was going to look like. And they win in 19-17,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: win in all these games.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: And they're guilty of being their own worst enemy. I mean,
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: that's what they are. They're their own worst enemy. The mistakes,
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: the penalties, the sloppiness, the whole thing. So I can't
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: argue with you. If you're giving up 14 points a game,
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: you should be winning those games 26-14, 28-14.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: But again.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: If you can call on Crosby, why wouldn't you call
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: on him?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Pete, if you were a GM, this is one of
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: the fan questions. If you were the GM, is that
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: the call you'd make?
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: That is absolutely the call I'd make.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: Does Khalil Mack put you over the top?
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: And what are you giving up for Khalil Mack?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. But they might be a little
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: more desperate, Pete, because they've got to be in sell
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: mode at this point. You get the sense the Raiders
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: might be a little more like, well, you never know.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: I'd give up a five for Khalil Mack.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would do that.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Even like a rental.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: I would call on Khalil Mack. I would call on Crosby.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: I would call on Payne in Washington for an interior rusher.
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: I would consider.– that's about it, I think.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Those are the guys I would call on.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: You know, Zach Seeler in Miami hadn't played as well,
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: so I wouldn't do that because he was good a
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: couple years ago and his play has leveled off. But, yeah,
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: all the teams that stink– I would call their players.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: I would call them. If the Raiders go into tank
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: the next two weeks, Crosby, the Chargers for Mack, Payne
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: for their commanders. Who else stinks? Let's see, the Titans
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: aren't gonna trade you anybody, so you can forget about that.
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: Miami doesn't have anybody.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Pete, do you think the Eagles might be in sell mode?
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars have worked with them a little bit before.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: There's some talk that the Eagles could be because of
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: their cap situation. But where's your edge rusher there?
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: You're not getting one. Yeah. Nolan Smith? Nolan Smith is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: what I was thinking. Not really, no. I don't want
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: him covering Travis Hunter anymore, I'll tell you that much.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: That was a rough one.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: That was great design, though.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: They motioned out the tight.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: End and had to walk out the guy and had
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: him in one-on-one.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: If I'm Nolan Smith, I'm calling timeout on that play. Coach,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not covering him.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: You know what's funny about that? Once Travis Hunter caught
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: that and ran the route, he thought he was going
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: to get more run at wide receiver, I think.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, sure.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: How could he not?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: How could he not? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: It's coming.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: So says Travis.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: It's coming.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to keep it real when we
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: come back from the break because we're going to talk
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: about some coaching, some decisions were made in this game
• 1:00:42
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• 1:00:44
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  Speaker 2: never even happened. And when talking around it happened, certainly
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you guys saw it on, on a Sunday morning in London.
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  Speaker 2: And then also a little bit later on with the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: commanders trying to figure things out. And over time, um,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: the coaching decisions and no one is immune today, but, um,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: some choices were made Pete. And I forgot to ask
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you this earlier. Cause we had some fan questions. How
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: much did you love the jet sweep on fourth down too?
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  Speaker 5: As soon as it works.
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  Speaker 2: The first time I was.
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  Speaker 5: Like, no, by the, by the way, having watched it
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: on the tape, If Rodriguez makes his block, it's a touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's always a chance for it to work, but.
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  Speaker 5: It's still annoying. Sometimes a play is poorly designed and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: it's just not going to work. That one wasn't– I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: hated the call, I'll be honest with you, but if
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Rodriguez blocks Zach Bond on that play.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, at the end of the half.
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  Speaker 4: Because they walked him out, remember? He walks in, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is when there was empty backfield, right? They
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: motioned the back out.
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  Speaker 5: They motioned Rodriguez out and then Bond went with him.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And then they brought– tooting in motion and handed it
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: to him, and then Bond just blew up Rodriguez. I mean,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: it was like me trying to block him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you get the sense, too, a little bit of, like,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: there was a risk of Trevor Lawrence under-centered, the quarterback sneak, because, like,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: usually when you do that empty backfield, it's like, well,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: what are you game-planning for? But, okay, it could be
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: quarterback sneak. So I got the design of it, but,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: once again, got a little too cute.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: But that's not where the problem started on that whole sequence.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you where the problem started.
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  Speaker 2: Where did it start, Pete?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: With a minute on fourth down. Think if you got
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: the playbook in front of you. They got the first
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: down on fourth down on that. I think it was
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: the flip to Tootin, correct?
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  Speaker 2: Is this the end of the second? This is the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: one you're talking about?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole sequence before the half.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the Chris Rodriguez right tackle when he fumble-thinged
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: or after that?
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  Speaker 5: No, they had a fourth down conversion.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, on the jet sweep to Tootin'. Then pass
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: over the middle to Josh Cameron.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so how much time was left?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: There was a minute left when he got there.
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  Speaker 2: A minute 06, and then.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't snap the ball again until there was 30
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: seconds left.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. You are correct. Trevor Lawrence over the middle to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Josh Cameron for nine yards at 30 seconds.
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  Speaker 5: And so everybody said, well, they got their plays— because I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: put this on Twitter.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: I said they botched that.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: Everybody goes, well, they got their plays.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Well, they had to throw.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: They were forced to throw because they didn't have any
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: timeouts left. They botched that because they allowed from the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: time they got the first down to the time they
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: snapped the ball, that time of 30 seconds was much
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: more valuable than the timeout. They should have called timeout
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: and gone from there. They would have got more plays,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: more chances to run the ball faster. in that scenario
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: than they did. So me personally, I think they botched
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: the end. They botched that time situation. And then I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: didn't like, didn't love the jets. You know how I
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: love the jet sweep. They all run it.
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  Speaker 2: Also, did you feel, I don't know if we'll ever
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: get a full true answer on this, not going for
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: the points was a long snapper situation or was Liam
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: already kind of leaning that way with not kicking some
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: of those field goals because I think.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: At the end of the half, what yard line were they?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: That was the two, wasn't it?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: It was the one, wasn't it?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: Were they down to the one?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were down to the one because it was, yeah,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: they were down to the one.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: Rodriguez got blown up on the one run.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he fumbled it, but they didn't call it
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: a fumble, and then they didn't have their clear recovery
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: when they looked at it, and they were down at
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the one, and then it was second and one, pass
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: incomplete over the middle, third and one, pass.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: Incomplete to Brian Thomas.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: The third one was Brian Thomas.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: He should have caught it.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: And then the Jets win.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: And the Tootin', yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: Minus six. I personally think, me, I would have taken
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: the points there. They weren't taking the points there, even
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: if their snapper was healthy. That's not Liam.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And here's the thing about that, Pete. Obviously, you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: kick the field goal, you're done by one then, right?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: But I was worried about a couple things. Number one,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Jalen Carter's having a field day. So, like, I was
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: a little nervous in terms of if you want to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: run up the middle, what was that going to look like?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: But I was also worried, and it's crazy to say it,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: but you're playing an away game in London with all
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: those Philly fans there. If you give Philly any kind
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: of momentum, and this is what the analytics will never
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: tell you about momentum, the computer doesn't register emotion. But
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: why would you give Philly that much more momentum then? Like, yeah, okay,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a bad snap and a missed field goal,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: then they still get the momentum. But nothing gives a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: team energy like a fourth and goal stand.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: And philly gets the ball back after the half right
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: as well so you can't even come back and try.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: To but it's not like they had done anything on
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: offense though and and and here's this thing carter just
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: blew that up yeah he just blew it up yeah
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: i mean he sliced right there and blew it up
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: um so then but go back to the sequencing again
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: first that they got the first down on fourth down
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: with a minute two left he threw the next play
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: he snapped it with 30 seconds and threw to cameron
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: right yep And then they called timeout, right?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Then they called timeout with 23 seconds left.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: And which timeout was that of theirs?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: That was their first timeout? Yeah. Correct.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: First timeout of the day. So you went from 1.03
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: or whatever to 30 seconds with all three of your timeouts.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: And you had that many left. So it ended up
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: being rushed. Remember they said he snapped one ball in
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: this play to Thomas. If he doesn't get it off,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: you get nothing. You get no chance or a chance
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: at a field goal. And then the play before that,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: he held it too long. But it's too long because
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: you don't have time because you didn't play the time right.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: They botched that at the end of the half, period.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: There were some interesting– clock management at the end as well, Pete,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter before they gave the ball back
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: to Philly when you thought they were going to try
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: it with 159 left when the Jaguars got the ball.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: And they run it once with Tootin. Philly took a timeout.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: But then they stacked the box and they threw it.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: The play that was changed at the line of scrimmage.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: You think Trevor changed out of it trying to get
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: that quick pass?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: You could tell by the way he went to the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: sideline and Liam went over to him that that was
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: changed at the line of scrimmage. He must have liked
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: the look he saw and changed it. You should give
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: him a play. This is the play. Don't change the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: damn thing.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Run it.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Because they gave a free timeout.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Right. And then it's third and eight and you're putting
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: yourself in a tough spot. Whereas if you were able
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: to hold on to the football there. Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think that play was called now. That's just
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: my hunch. I don't know that for a fact. And
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: I would, I would ask him yesterday if I was there,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: but it just had the look and the feel that.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: He didn't, he didn't call that play.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: We could ask PFF. I'm sure they know.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: PFF knows all. Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: They wouldn't know. They wouldn't know.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: But that was just, okay, so Sunday starts with me
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: being irritated by bad decision-making.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: So then the whole day is just filled with it.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: And that's why at the end of the day last
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: night I went on a rant, just destroyed the NFL
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: head coaches.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, we'll get to, we saw the end of the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: Commanders game.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Inexcusable.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: What was the live look of Pete watching that?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Which one, I mean, Pete, are we talking about, because
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: I think both coaches are to blame here. Like, obviously,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Dan Quinn got too cute, ran the clock down, but
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: don't you think John Harbaugh, too, should have just kicked
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: the field goal instead of Kip then running with Cam
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Scadaboo and he fumbles?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: I think the weather was bad, so they wanted to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: get a little closer.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: But not getting any playoff at the end of the day,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: it's not like you're going to, that's the end of overtime.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: There's no more kicking off. So you're not worrying about
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: what's times left on the clock. Go kick the field goal.
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  Speaker 2: Did we get an explanation? Did he just think he
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: had a timeout? What was the thought? Did, did we
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: get any kind of explanation? Do you think there was
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: a timeout? What was what happened? No, they didn't think
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: it was a timeout.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: If you look at the play, and nobody will say this,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: it looks like he told Jalen to throw the ball
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: out of the back, you know, throw it out of
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: bounds or whatever. You know, kind of kill the clock
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: a little bit. Well, what are you worrying about the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: clock for? It's overtime. There's no need to worry about
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: the clock. You make the kick, the game's over. They
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: already had their possessions. So either way, the quarterback messed
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: it up and the head coach messed it up.
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  Speaker 4: That's one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm not getting, I'm not, I mean, I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: guess you and John Harbaugh are best friends and he's
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: going to vend me some money, Pete, underneath the table.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: I thought, I thought that was a bad call by
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: John Harbaugh. I kept on running the football. Cause you
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: said it yourself. It's bad weather. Well, bad weather also.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but the kicker had missed earlier. The kicker had
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: missed earlier. I think that had a lot to do
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: with it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I can't really fault him on that one. If the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: weather was good and they didn't run.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: And they were down.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: They weren't that close, I don't think.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: When he fumbled.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: It was like the 40-something.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, and then you have the.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, now I got... So I can move from the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: commander's game because we just obliterated Dan Quinn. Then you
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: go to the great Jim Harbaugh. The Chargers are winning
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: 17 to 10.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Have momentum.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: With 10 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. The
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: Broncos haven't done a damn thing on offense all day.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: And Harbaugh decides on fourth and one from his own 41, he's.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: Going to go for it. He doesn't get it.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: But what happens? He gives life to the Broncos. They
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: go down, tie the game. The next possession, Herbert.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Throws a pick.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: They get a field goal.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Game over.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: And so any momentum that your team had went out
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: the window with your stupidity by doing that. Punt the ball,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: make them go 75, 80 yards to go get a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: tying touchdown, not even a winning touchdown.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: I don't understand that one.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: So, Pete, here's a... Yeah, go ahead. Keep going.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: No, I got more.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Keep going, keep going.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: Mike McDonald won a Super Bowl last.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: Year, did he not?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Pretty sure he did, yeah.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: End of the half Sunday.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: With 13 seconds left, he's got the ball at his
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: own four-yard line.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: What do you do there?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: Eh, I think I'll take my knee and go in
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: and take what I got right now, right?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Nah.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: Nope, nope. He decides to hand the ball off. And
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: his running back got hit, fumbled, end zone, 49ers fall
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: on it, touchdown.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: They lost the game. Mike McDonald, Super Bowl winner, he
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: blew it.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: So, okay.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: Liam Cohn, we know Sirianni, Quinn, Harbaugh, McDonald. Sirianni, Super
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: Bowl winner. Liam Cohn, one of the bright, brilliant offensive
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: and brilliant head coaches in this league on the way up.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Harbaugh won a national championship and went to a Super
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: Bowl and probably should have won one.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: McDonald won one, and Dan Quinn lost a Super Bowl
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: after leading 28-3. These guys are all among the so-called
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: best of the best, and they all make stupid decisions.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing about it, Pete. It would be
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: one thing if you could look at analytics and say, well,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: the computer set. Some of these decisions aren't even a computer-based.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: It's just it feels like it's a gut instinct, and
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: it's the wrong one. And this is what I can't fathom.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: You have head coaches with years and years of experience.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: they they know how momentum works like if anybody knows
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: how it's jim harbaugh man he's been doing it for
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: a long time i can see if it's like some
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: young upstart coach who's like all analytical wears his glasses
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: no like we're talking about jim harbaugh man and the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: fact that he wanted to do what he did like
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: i i don't understand it if.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: The game was 38 37 in that scenario you go
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: okay I could get it. You don't want to give
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: them the ball back. They've been going up and down
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: But it wasn't.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: They had done a thing. Why give them a short field?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: And then as far as McDonald, nobody, the coaches never
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: ask themselves the scenario, the worst case scenario or the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: best case scenario. What's the best case scenario if it's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: handed off with 13 seconds left? Is your best case scenario,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: your best case scenario for you, is to go 96
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: yards a running back. Does that happen often?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: That's what we call being analytical. It's seeing the outcome
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: of both possible scenarios. You hand the ball off, either
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: he fumbles, it's going to be bad. Especially the opponent
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: that you're playing against, San Fran, who their defense is
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: pretty good. So they're probably not going to surrender a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: long run.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: Well, it's like at the end of the half, and
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: you've seen this many a time because you've been in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: the league, you guys have seen this. At the end
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: of the half, say there's 12 seconds left, you get
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: the ball back after a punt. Take the snap, take
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: a knee, and go home. Why do teams bother handing off?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: If you deepen your own end, the only thing that's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: going to happen is bad. Hmm. You're going to fumble.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: They get the ball. They get a field goal or
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: God forbid, they pick it up and run it in
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: for a touchdown. They don't think they got it. I mean,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: McDonald's a really good coach. Why would you hand the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: ball off in that scenario?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And I feel like these coaches also, they have like
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: a guy that's always kind of like, you know, because
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: they're doing a lot of things and I will give
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: them that because you have 8 million things in your brain.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: You have a brain fart. You're not thinking clearly. There's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: people employed that it's their job to be like, hey,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: this is how many timeouts we have. Hey, this is
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: what's going on, to be in their ear and bug
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: them about it. And so maybe it's just them taking
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: on too much because I think sometimes they tend to say,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I got this.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Because looking back, they are aware to make some of
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: these decisions.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: You're right in some scenarios.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: But if you're McDonald and your team gets the ball
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: in that scenario, you have time to think about it
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: and just take a knee and we'll go in.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: But it's a great point, Kai, because look at McDonald's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: and call plays, correct? Or does he call plays?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: Defense.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Defense, right.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but does he call defense a play? No,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: he doesn't call the.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: He does.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: He does, okay. But, okay, whatever that is. But you
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: look at Liam Cohen on offense, right? The guy's calling
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: the plays. So it's almost like you're playing a video
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: game where it's like, okay, call him, call him. And
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: you're so locked into that.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: You need someone to be like, hey, you got two timeouts.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: It's 45 seconds. Like, someone.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, you can do it, but when you're... feet are
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: in the fire it's nice to have someone just be
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: like hey by the way.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: Blah blah because so i can watch 72 teams at
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: the things at once and listen to 42 things at
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: once so you should be able to figure that out
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: and i agree there's not enough forward thinking in my
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: book like what happens if we do this this and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: this compared to if we do this this and this
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: okay we'll take the knee And they don't do that enough.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: There's also a lot of people on.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: Staff who think someone should do that. What in God's
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: name would compel Sirianni to kick the ball off?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: Well, Jason Kelsey said you should kick it short here.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: If you're listening to the broadcast, Jason Kelsey said you
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: should kick it short here at the end. Try to
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: make them field it. Why?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: The only thing that can happen in that scenario is bad.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. bad especially because the jaguars had no timeouts and.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: I think well and what happened the first kickoff where
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: josh cameron took a bit.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah you've already seen you've already seen your kickoff team.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: You saw the worst case scenario and.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: There were good kickoffs all day there were several yeah
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: kickoffs so like.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: You see the worst possible coverage too by the way
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: yeah There's.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Always something to improve on, Pete. But it's good to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: do on a Victory Monday. We're going to take a break.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Coming back, we will talk more and sneak peek a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: little bit to that second London game because the team's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: staying over there and they're going to take on the Texans,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: the first AFC South matchup of the year. This is
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Hour brought to you by Mr. Chubby's Wings.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Welcome back into Jaguars happy hour. We're getting ready today
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the second game in
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: London because the Jaguars are staying over there for the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: third time in team history. They have this, excuse me,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: the third time in team history, they have two games
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: in London back to back. First time they went, they
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: went two and O last time they went, they went
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: one and one. They're one and O so far. Pete,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Houston Texans have their first win of the season because
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: they played the Tennessee Titans. What are we going to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: see from the Texans this week?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: By the way, I loved how D'Amico Ryans took over
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: play calling on the defense just in time to play
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: the Tennessee Titans who can't score on anybody.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: You got to give yourself a soft start. Nice little
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: ramp up. You don't come in hot.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: Look, their defense had issues earlier in the year. They
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: were busting coverages. They were not playing as well in
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: a lot of spots. And they kind of regrouped. And
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: I think they're good. And now offensively, C.J. Stroud's been
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: good the last couple weeks. The problem is they don't
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: run the football at all. They're last in the league.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: And so, again, it goes back to what I said
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: about the pass rush. This is going to be a
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: pass rush game because they're not going to run the football.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: And you've got to be able to get him on
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: the ground. So for all the talk before the season
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: about it will all be on the offense– Early in
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: the season, it's been on the defense.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: It sure has. Yeah, and Dave Montgomery, I know, got injured.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Not sure what the extent of that is. And Woody Marks, like,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: he's he's he's fine but he he is not between
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: the tackles runner like he's he's.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: Like he gives him more juice though he.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Does man but like he he's to me he's more
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: like the kind of the gadget guy kind of elvin
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: kamara right like Alan Kamara can run between the tackles,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: but you want him in space getting the ball and everything. So, yeah,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: this is going to come down to stopping Nico Collins,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like, more than anybody. And Jalen Noel kind
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: of is making a name for himself a little bit.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: Well, now they've got Marvin Harrison, too.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. D'Amico Ryan's announcing the trade in his post-game press conference.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: We knew Marvin Harrison was going somewhere.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: Like it was National Signing Day. Since when did we
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: do that?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: It also is interesting that they... A lot of the sources,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: the agents let out the information that Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: is going to be traded, but no one said where
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: until after the game.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: But it was always the rumblings and the league undertones
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: was that it was Houston. The question is this, and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: nobody asked this question, I don't think. If they had lost,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: would they have made the deal? Which essentially kind of
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: would have put them out of playoff competition. Would you
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: have made the deal? And I don't think they would have.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: Some people think it was the Cardinals that were holding
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: up to see if anybody else would jump in.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: I heard the Colts a little bit. I guess the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Colts were maybe interested, but I don't know.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Chiefs supposedly weren't, and they need a
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: wide receiver.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison doesn't run that well, but he played with C.J.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: Stroud in college, so there's some comfort there. If you
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: have Nico Collins on one side and you roll coverage
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: to him, then he's going to get some one-on-ones. He's
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: going to be the number two, so he might be
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: able to fill a T Higgins kind of role for them.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: If he could start to play like the guy that
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: was at Ohio state. So we'll see. I wouldn't have
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: given up a two for him. I might've given up
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: a four or five. That could be a four, something
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: along those lines, but they're desperate. I mean, this is
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: their chances of winning the division will be decided on Sunday.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying their playoff chances will be decided and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: nor will Jackson will be eliminated from the division. But
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: if Jackson wins that game, I mean, The Texans almost
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: have no chance to win that division, at least in
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: my mind. So I think that's, from that standpoint, it's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: an important game for Houston.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: Important game for the Jags as well because you can
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: knock out the Texans this early. We saw this kind
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: of last year when they played the Texans that second
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: time in Houston was an opportunity to essentially knock them
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: out and win the division that way. But they lost
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: that game. They went on a rip after it, but
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: so did the Texans.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they couldn't get them on the ground.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: Davis Mills, remember?
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: They do have a Davis Mills problem. Hopefully that's not
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: an issue in this matchup.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know. You can call
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: it getting him on the ground. To me, it was
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: more of a rush lane integrity, but it does go
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: hand in hand.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, wasn't Davis Mills like the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: biggest rusher against this team in the last couple years?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: But didn't he throw for like 200 in the fourth
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: quarter of that game?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There was some comeback numbers there. I just remember
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: the run to see him in the game. You remember
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: when he ran for the game.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Josh Hines was out there in coverage.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: Rush lane integrity.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: But.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: How do you beat this Texas defense?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: You run at them. You run right at them.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: They're not big.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: But if they stop the run and they turn those
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: guys loose, that's trouble. Because Hunter and Anderson, and they're
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: rushing Anderson from the inside a lot, which if I'm
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: watching Jacksonville this past week, I'm rushing Anderson from the
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: inside a lot too because they have trouble with that.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: So I think Jacksonville has to run the ball. What
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: were Tootin's carries yesterday? He didn't get enough of them.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll give him credit for.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: Yards after contact.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Beautiful.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: That was one of the best running back games we've
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: seen for a guy who didn't have big numbers.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's see. Basial Tootin, 22 carries, 72 yards.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: See, the carries is good.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: That's a good number.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: Maybe a little high, a little bit.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: And he wasn't even getting out of the backfield before
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: someone was getting him. So credit for any positive yards
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: he got.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: And then he had the screen pass he caught.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, he was involved. Three targets, two catches, 24 yards.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: And it should have been three, but Trevor threw a
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: bad pass behind him. And if he catches that, he
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: might be able to get out a little bit because.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: They set those screens up pretty well.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Look.
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  Speaker 5: He's a really good– I thought he would be a
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: good player.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, Pete. We know you're right.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: I think he's tougher. No, I think he's tougher than
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: I thought he was as a runner.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: No, I think– I mean, that's been one of the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: biggest surprises of the season, I feel like, because we
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: all expected whatever the 4-2 or 4-3 that he ran. Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: He's fast.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Usually when you're that fast. And, like, if you look at–
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: and Gibbs has kind of built this a little bit too. Like,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: you take for granted how physical these guys can be, right?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: And Tootin's definitely been doing that. Like I said, the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: yards after contact is absolutely ridiculous. So, yeah, I mean,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: I do agree with you, Pete. You have to run
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: the football, right? Like, let's keep Trevor upright a little bit.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: But let me ask you this, and I haven't watched
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: the last Texans game. Obviously, I saw the game against
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: the Cowboys and everything where CeeDee Lamb, I mean, did
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: whatever he wanted. Is it a scheme issue? Is it
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: a communication issue? Because they have people in the secondary
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: in Houston.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: Well, Lassiter and Stingley were not playing well. And I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: haven't watched the tape from yesterday, but they were not
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: playing well in the beginning of the season.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: They were getting torched.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: Blankenship, who they signed as a free agent, was having
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: problems in coverage. I think you combine that with the
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: fact that they're not getting interior pressure either. Plus, Al
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: Shayer and Henry Toa Toa were not on the field
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: a couple of those games. And those guys are a
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: big part of what they do in coverage. So I
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: think that was added all together, which is why they
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: had problems on defense.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: Their offensive line stinks, by the way.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: Remember all the moves they made?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Every year we talk about this. Every single year, it's
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: a bunch of new people. We're like, oh, okay. They're
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: trying to do something, and it's the same problem.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: Their center is not good, Brown. Rutledge, the rookie guard,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: hasn't played like I thought he would play, and I
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: think he should be their starting center. The left tackle, Ursari,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: is okay. He's a second-year player. He's still kind of learning,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: but he's okay. the right guard, whoever it is, if
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: it was Teller, he's better than Ingram. Ingram's been awful.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: And he careered last year for them. I thought he
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: was terrible at Minnesota and played better for them. They
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: brought him back and he started. But Teller's been in
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: and out and he's been better. And then the right tackle,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: he's 142 years old, you know, and he has issues.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: You know what happens when an old guy plays, particularly
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: on the offensive line? He'll give you 40 good plays,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: there's going to be 10 awful ones.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: You know, you just see them.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Those hips start acting up a little bit.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: You got to stretch a little bit more pregame. Yeah.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: Or focus, you know, what am I doing? I'm thinking
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: about retirement or whatever. You know, I don't know what
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: it is, but you watch. He can play so good,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: and then there'll be two or three plays, four or
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: five plays where you look at him.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: And you go, what the heck is he doing?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Got to get locked in. Although every time we talk
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: about a battle line that we're facing, nothing ever comes
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: to fruition. So I don't know.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe we shouldn't say that.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: I think what happened last week helps refocus them for
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: this week.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Have to. Yes, that was an awesome, awesome finish. And
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: thank goodness because that was really cool and we had
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: some positives to talk about. But that was a frustrating
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: watch as a coach to have to look inward and
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: be like, there was a lot wrong there.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like when they lost the Denver game
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: and didn't play that well, and then they came back
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: the next week and blew out New England.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: They rebound well. Under Liam Cohen.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: And I think this game will help them with that.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: The question is, can you rebound after a win still?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: And listen, you didn't lose the game. So you left
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: that field feeling good about yourselves. We got the Liam
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Cohen fist pump. Shoulders just hanging by a thread right now,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like, so early in the season. Hopefully Liam
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: Cohen can keep it together. But it is different when
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: you lose. And granted, it's the 24-hour rule, right? You
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: celebrate or you pout and you moan and then you...
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: You go on to the next game. I'm curious to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: see what this team looks like now, though, because you
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: still won the game. Like, it wasn't pretty and everything.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: You didn't play up to expectations, but you still won.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: So is that demeanor from that Denver game, from the
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: Houston game last year, from the Bills game going into
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: the Browns game this season, like, is that demeanor still
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: going to be there?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: You have to learn.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: That'll be interesting.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: This is another one of those trying weeks for a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: young head coach.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: That's what this is.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because also... I don't want to rag too much
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: on them. They did win, but we talked so much
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: about last year. They didn't come out ready to play
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: against the Rams and all that, and it was... Yes,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I know they had that first kickoff from Josh Cameron callback,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: but they didn't really feel... It didn't feel good. And
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, he's going to have them ready this year.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: He's going to have them ready, and that London game.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: It could be a London problem. Well, get ready, because
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: you're going to be on the road a lot next year.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, it won't be London necessarily that much.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: This is a long, trying road stretch for them, too.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, think about it.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: They will not have played, what, For a month, five
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: weeks at home?
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not back until the 1st of November.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: They played New England, then they went to Cincy, London,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: London by home.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Home. Home against the courts.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: Five weeks.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: Five weeks.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: What a treat.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: They'll get right.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: The gift that keeps on coming.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, it's challenging, though. Five weeks on the road,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: five weeks away from home is tough to handle.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: And they'll have some long road stretches back and forth
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: in the back end of season two. So we are
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: going to take our last break and then we will
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: talk about what's been going on around the NFL because
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: a lot always goes down on Sunday. We'll preview Monday
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Night Football. So stay with us on Jaguars Happy Hour
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: presented by Mr. Toby's Wings.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: Cam Little from 57 yards to win the ball game.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: Snap is high.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: Little kicks it up. The 57-yard field goal is.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: Good!
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: Good!
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: Good!
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: They won it on a 57-yard field goal by Cam Little.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: Can you believe that?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Can you believe that?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: How good is that? The Jags win it!
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: The Jags win it!
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: Cam Little grilled it! How good is that?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: None other than Frank Rangy with the call of the game.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: My dude's going to be questionable for this week, huh?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: That voice might be shocked.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: Presented by coil fences he's in.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: Paris i saw he's in paris.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's having a tough day that was all presented
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: by coil fencing since 1927 we've been around the block
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: and fenced it too uh yes frank enjoys uh he
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: enjoys his job let's put it that way he was
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: quite emotional i think we all were a little emotional
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: especially at that point because what had we just watched.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: Frank frangie with the upper neck injury it's gonna be
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: in that voice box i appreciate though I mean, again,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: it would have been good from 60-something. Yeah.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: And it figures. Like, you have your back of Long
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Sapper in there, high snaps all day. He misses a PAT.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: And then all the credit to Cam Little because he's
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: not always been as trustworthy in, you know, moments when
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: he could make a kick, but it was more mental,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: and he came through there with flying colors.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: You know what I noticed during that celebration?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Walker little doesn't have a W on his Jersey and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: cam doesn't have a C on his.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, for Walker Walker. Cause there, are they ever on
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: the field at the same time? Are they supposed to
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: No, but don't you don't teams usually do that? If
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: you have the same last name, don't they put, I
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: don't know.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: I thought, is it more like if they play on
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: the same side of the ball, like maybe cause they're
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: never out there together, I guess Walker little might be
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: on special teams. I'm not really sure.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, do you see the thing where like, there's
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: like a million Joneses. I don't ever see like, I
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: don't know. That's a great question, Pete. I've never thought
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: about that, actually.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: I've seen it where teams do that, where they differentiate
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: and put the initial, but you don't have to, I
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: don't think.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: They don't look alike, that's for sure.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: They do not. Do you think John Harbaugh is watching that? Maybe,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: you know, not run with Cam Scadaboo and kick a
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: field goal, Pete? Just wondering.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not. If you can tell me what yard
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: line he was on, I'll tell you.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Go ahead and tell him and go and argue with me.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: It was a 24. 24-yard line, Pete.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: He handed him off the ball at the 24?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where he fumbled at.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: Where did that play start?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: It started on the 24, didn't he?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, it did?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: It was first and 10.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: Are you sure? Because I don't think he was that close.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: I think it was like a 40-yard run from Cam
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: Skadwood when he fumbled at the end.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: It was actually a pretty good run when he fumbled,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: They were on the 29, and then he went five
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: yards and fumbled it.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Or no.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Five-yard run. I didn't watch the play. It was third
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: and three. He went for a five-yard run. Two-minute warning.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: Kim Scadaboo up the middle to the 24 for no gain,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: any fumbles.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: So he started that with 24.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: I thought it was further out than that. So, yeah,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: 41-yarder in that condition, you should not be running at 10.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: I thought it was further out.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: And there were some misses earlier in the game, as mentioned.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: There were some misses. There was also some long makes, too, but....
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: What did the kid miss? The Giants kicker missed from
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: about 40-something earlier in that.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: Game, didn't he?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: He missed two, according to the box, play-by-play. He missed
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: one in the first quarter. That was a 50-yard field
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: goal he missed.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's further.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: He made one from 51.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: And then he missed some shorter ones.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: He missed. From 57. Oh.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: And then he made another one, Kai?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: And then he made one from 56.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: I'm going to die on this all day, Pete.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: I didn't think he was. I thought it was further
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: out than that.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: And then he missed one earlier in overtime from 46.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: So maybe the win. There you go.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of opportunities.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: That's why.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: And that one he missed, he yanked.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: It to the left.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of these were wide left.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: So you could understand. Look, me personally, I'm with you
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: usually in that situation.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: Get on with the kick.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: But I think the conditions might have had– because that
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: thing was– I think it was the leftovers from that hurricane,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: It was, and they have actual grass in D.C., right?
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't the– that kind of weather and the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: turf in Giant Stadium would have.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: Been– Which is why if Dan Quinn was actually trying
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: to get more yards, then maybe you could– nah. No,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: you can't.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Still no excusing it.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: I just hope that Pete defends me one day like
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: he defends the John Harbaugh decision.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: No, I would kill– I'll kill any– He tried to
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: defend the refs last week too. Okay.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: Well, quick, quick, quick.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: I just didn't think they were that close, so I
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: might have been wrong on that.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Quick, quick, did you defend the flying football coming in
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: from Monday Night Football? Kai, could you defend that quick?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see if– we'll give you a chance on it. Pete,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: what else? Obviously, those are the two most dramatic games
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: from yesterday. What else stuck out in your mind?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I think the 49ers sent a message to everybody
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: in the league that they're for real. You go to
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: Seattle and you win. And they turned the ball. There
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: were seven turnovers in that game. It was sloppy.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: But they turned over Seattle. How about this stat? I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: saw this the other day.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: In the three games that Sam Darnold has been back,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: He's thrown five interceptions.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Not great. Well, you saw when they won with their
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: backup that you knew it was a system situation.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: So is he back to being Sam Darnold? Was that
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: like a wonder year last year?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: Well, he's got a Super Bowl ring now, so he
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: can do whatever he wants, right?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: Well, so did Nick Foles, and that didn't mean anything.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: It's still on the resume, I'm sure. All right, real quick. Tonight,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: we've got a battle between the two most recent MVPs.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Matt Stafford, Josh Allen, and the Bills, they're heading to L.A.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: trying to get right after that loss to the Patriots.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: Austin's not getting his football.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Bills, Rams, who you got? No football for you today.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, there's no football?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: Dang, man.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: There it is.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: There it is.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: That came more at me, I think.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: Drag the foot, drag the foot. Peter, what are you taking?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: I think it's going to be really close and really
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: high scoring. I think the Rams will win it late.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: I think the Rams will win a really tight one.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: I was going to take it up one-on-one with you
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: because I lost last week with the Saints, but I'm
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: taking the Rams, too, at home.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: I don't believe Jim Leonard quite yet.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: Our record so far, Pete's 3-1, Austin 1-3. We've got
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: to get some differentiation going forward next week, but I
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: won't get on you this time. We made it through
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: a crazy game in London. We've got another one coming up.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Join us next week back here on Jaguars Happy Hour.