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Football at Four: Best Available Free Agents Left for the Eagles? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 2: In Atlantic City.
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  Speaker 1: Well after free agency day one, we're on to day
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  Speaker 1: two and second verse. Just like the first, not much
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  Speaker 1: happening here in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: Things are happening.
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  Speaker 1: Around the league, but Howie Roseman is not getting involved yet.
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  Speaker 2: What will happen? What could happen?
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna recap it all right now with Adam Kaplan
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  Speaker 1: from the Inside of the Birds podcast. Inside the Birds
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  Speaker 1: here as the Eagles staying quiet. But Adam, they are
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  Speaker 1: losing players. Not any surprises. Maybe Jalen Phillips though, So
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  Speaker 1: let's start with Phillips yesterday because he got the ball
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  Speaker 1: rolling with a thirty million dollars deal to go to
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  Speaker 1: Carolina and that really put things all out of whack
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  Speaker 1: for Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 3: From Jump Street, Yeah, no doubt, Mike, Yet we we
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  Speaker 3: hat Inside the Birds. We talked last week. We for
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  Speaker 3: what we heard the Eagles were expecting to lose Blanket
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  Speaker 3: Ship and Dean. That was going to happen. It happened,
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  Speaker 3: and they really wanted Jalen Philips back, and they made
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  Speaker 3: a lot of progress on Sunday. But it's just really ironic.
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  Speaker 3: The Panthers got screwed over for Milton Williams. They were
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  Speaker 3: fairly close last year to signing them and then New
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  Speaker 3: England came in at the last minute and took them away,
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  Speaker 3: and that was it. The Carolina did not make a counter.
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  Speaker 3: Once New England gave Milt Williams that amazing deal, which
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  Speaker 3: went up being four years at twenty six million per season,
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  Speaker 3: which is more than they budgeted, they decided not to
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  Speaker 3: match try to match at New Orleand's offer, so he walked.
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  Speaker 3: Milt Williams did to New England and then with this
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  Speaker 3: situation Carolina again. Carolina got screwed over last season. They
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  Speaker 3: were not going to miss on Jalen Phillips. They went
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  Speaker 3: quite frankly, way over what the market value should have
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  Speaker 3: been for Jalen Phillips. But Mike, it's free agency. Wild
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  Speaker 3: things happened. We brought up the wildness in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: of Byron Jones and the Eagles were a finalist for
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  Speaker 3: Byron Jones. They actually had a better offer than the
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  Speaker 3: Dolphins did, but he did not want to play out East,
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  Speaker 3: and these since happened, Mike sometimes and the Eagles cash
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  Speaker 3: budget largely for free agency was going to go to
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips. That was going to be it save a
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  Speaker 3: couple of small moves. But now they didn't spend that
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  Speaker 3: money that they budgeted, so they actually have some money
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  Speaker 3: to spend here. But Mike, the names are dwindling down now,
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  Speaker 3: but they still have the same needs though. You should
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  Speaker 3: know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got the.
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  Speaker 1: Same needs because they haven't really added anything yet, well
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  Speaker 1: not really anything.
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  Speaker 2: No, they haven't added anything.
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  Speaker 1: What about the edge rusher market now that Phillips is gone?
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  Speaker 1: Is there you know we've been hearing, you know, some
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  Speaker 1: possible trades. Bradley Chubb is still available. Is there a
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  Speaker 1: guy they turned their attention to a trade or do
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  Speaker 1: they still get involved in a free agency to fix
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  Speaker 1: that position?
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  Speaker 3: All right? Technically probably Chubb will not be released till
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  Speaker 3: four pm Eastern tomorrow, saying with their it's for cap purposes.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's what the Dolphins have to do now. It
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  Speaker 3: would be almost stunning if the Eagles didn't show interest
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  Speaker 3: in Bradley Chubb. Why it's an obvious fit. He played
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  Speaker 3: for Vic Fangio in Denver and Miami. It's a plug
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  Speaker 3: and play type player. He'll get them out of a
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  Speaker 3: tough spot for probably two seasons. I mean, you could
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  Speaker 3: sign them for a two year deal something like that.
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  Speaker 3: He actually stated, and Mess a game last season for
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  Speaker 3: the Dolphins. Played well. But the Dolphins, Mike, they made
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  Speaker 3: a decision that they're going to be in a total rebuild.
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  Speaker 3: They had a bad roster, bad football team, bad coaching staff.
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  Speaker 3: They fired everybody pretty much and they started over. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what John rx Sullivan the GM did. He decided
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  Speaker 3: that they were going to viscerate the roster. He's done that.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna have a new quarterback in Miami and now
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  Speaker 3: Malik Willis. Was no surprise. Everyone kind of knew that
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  Speaker 3: was going to happen because the two were which with
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  Speaker 3: each other in Green Bay and they're rebuilding that roster.
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  Speaker 3: So now if you look at what the Eagles need, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they they need to add two edge rushers. And it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have to come in any variety. Could come in
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  Speaker 3: free agency, it could come in in the trade market,
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  Speaker 3: or it could come in the draft or what's called
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  Speaker 3: the release market. It's kind of like the NFL the
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  Speaker 3: NBA buyout market. So who's out there, Mike. The guys
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  Speaker 3: that are out there are all pretty much mid level
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  Speaker 3: free Asians except for Trey Henderson. Henderson it's believed that
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna win a mim of thirty million per season. Well,
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  Speaker 3: now we're almost done. Day two, Mike, the money. The
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  Speaker 3: money typically Day three drops now he's not played in this,
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  Speaker 3: He's not played in a thirty four front before. This
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  Speaker 3: is not a good fit for him. So it just
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  Speaker 3: we don't see the fit. You never say never are
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of guys out there, Mike, quite frankly,
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  Speaker 3: are all mid level free Asians chasing the edge rusher
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  Speaker 3: for New England's played in the thirty four for a
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  Speaker 3: lot of his career. Joey Bowse is out there, clown,
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  Speaker 3: he's out there. I don't have a Keetti Dante Fowler.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's just not a great they're all mid level. Now.
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  Speaker 3: The guy that could potentially trade for Jonathan Grenard, who's
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  Speaker 3: a good football player, he's underpaid. The Vikings are one
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  Speaker 3: of the few NFL teams that has a true cap issue.
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  Speaker 3: They're listening to offers Grenard. By the way, his two
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  Speaker 3: years left on this deal, and he's making nineteen million
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  Speaker 3: a season and it's now undervalued. So if you trade
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  Speaker 3: for him, you almost certainly going to have to redo
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  Speaker 3: his deal.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So there's the edge rushing situation. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: into Kobe Dean. He obviously was a guy we all
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  Speaker 1: thought would be gone. He goes to the Raiders and
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  Speaker 1: it has peers that John Campbell will obviously move into
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  Speaker 1: this bud. There was a report that they have made
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  Speaker 1: calls on Patrick Queen, which seems to be a little odd,
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  Speaker 1: but you would imagine Campbell steps in there. Dean, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for your service. Did a great job, but we
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  Speaker 1: drafted Campbell and that move had to be made.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Patrick Queen is a good football player. Now, Patrick
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  Speaker 3: Queen is on the last year of his deal. He's
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  Speaker 3: going to make just over thirteen million, and by the way,
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  Speaker 3: the Steelers, the Steelers have to make a decision on
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  Speaker 3: his contract. I don't know why he wouldn't come back.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a roster bonus due on Saturday, so it's
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  Speaker 3: a two point five million and then I'll get him
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  Speaker 3: over thirteen million until cash for the season. But when
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  Speaker 3: you look at the Egal situation or John Campbell is
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  Speaker 3: widely expected to start that that's why they made a
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  Speaker 3: decision not to bring back Dean, and then they got
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  Speaker 3: a safety problem. It is completely wide open, miket safety Now.
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  Speaker 3: The good thing is with Lancaship leaving, there is an
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  Speaker 3: upside here. It is a buyer's market at safety. The
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  Speaker 3: safety and markets moved a little bit, but there are
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  Speaker 3: a lot of good safeties out there. Nick Cross is
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  Speaker 3: a good football player of the Colts, ja Kwan Risker.
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  Speaker 3: He might remember from Penn State of the Bears, Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Dugar's career. I don't know. He's completely fallen off. Who
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  Speaker 3: signed a big extension with the Patriots. Less than a
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  Speaker 3: year later they wanted him off the roster and in
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  Speaker 3: wind up going to Pittsburgh and he's a free agent.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Cisco's out there, who had a great career at
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  Speaker 3: Sarah Hughes. Donovan Wilson of the Cowboys is out there, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: It is a buyer's market. I don't worry too much
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  Speaker 3: about safety, but edge rusher is a real issue right
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  Speaker 3: now for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously that you mentioned safety because reed blanket ship
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  Speaker 1: he went to Houston with the Texans, so he is
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  Speaker 1: now gone. He's a guy too, by the way, undrafted
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  Speaker 1: rookie free agent stepped in his second year and has
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  Speaker 1: started fifty games for this team and it's been kind
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  Speaker 1: of rock solid. And you know, I contend, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he really wanted to leave, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that he had much of a choice based on the
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  Speaker 1: deal that he got from Houston.
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  Speaker 2: But you're going with Andrew mccoba.
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  Speaker 1: You've said many times on football and four Adam that
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Brown just a special teamers. So they're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to find probably another starter, I guess in free agency
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  Speaker 1: then right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, Michael Carter, theffree structure is do We kind
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  Speaker 3: of hinted on this at last week the reports that
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  Speaker 3: he was gonna be cover were false. They had interested
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  Speaker 3: in bringing him back because, as we first reported at
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  Speaker 3: the time of the trade from the Jets, Eagles are
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  Speaker 3: going to cross treatment at safety. Why he was a
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  Speaker 3: really good safety at Duke and then the the Jets
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  Speaker 3: move to Nickel where he excelled. So the guy's a
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  Speaker 3: good football player. He kind of fell off with the
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  Speaker 3: Jets and Eagles wanted to do business with him. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to bring him back, so he might be in
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  Speaker 3: the mix next to Makova, Cidney Brand forget about it,
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  Speaker 3: Mac McWilliams. They have not cross trated safety, although he
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  Speaker 3: potentially could play safety, but they're really like there. And
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  Speaker 3: Andrey sam is back by the way, but he's more
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  Speaker 3: of a force safety. So yeah, Mike, this I can't remember.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you do, but I don't remember an Eagles team
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  Speaker 3: going to the offseason with so many needs. I caution people,
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  Speaker 3: today is March tenth, It is not September fifth. Relax.
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  Speaker 3: I've learned my lesson. When I don't see this particular
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  Speaker 3: team doing a lot of work early, it doesn't really
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  Speaker 3: matter all that much. I get concerned about it when
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  Speaker 3: we get to training camp. If if they had eight needs,
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  Speaker 3: then you guys, you guys could scream, and you know
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  Speaker 3: I have no problem with that. Get through the rift.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get through the draft vers and by the way
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  Speaker 3: to the freeesi and signings after the draft in Egos history,
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  Speaker 3: and they would not have won a Super Bowl without
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  Speaker 3: either player. Makai Beckton signed after the draft in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four and l Garrett Blount's Blunt signed after the
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  Speaker 3: draft in twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: Very true.
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  Speaker 1: Relax, Let's get Adam your opinion on Romeo Dobbs with
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots four years eighty. Everybody obviously feels, all right,
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean for the Patriots? AJ Brown? Where
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  Speaker 1: are you on AJ Brown? Do you think that rules
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  Speaker 1: AJ Brown and the Patriots marriage out?
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  Speaker 3: No, but I think it's less likely. We never do percentages, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: I know that they are expecting Dobbs to have a big,
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  Speaker 3: realm told for the with the Patriots. They'll they'll use
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  Speaker 3: him as a move receiver. He can pull it up inside,
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  Speaker 3: he could line up outside. He's he's just a really
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  Speaker 3: good fit. The thing is, they're only paying one receiver
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  Speaker 3: tops seventeen million season. They're not paying anyone even over
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  Speaker 3: five million opposite him. Matt Collins is still here. It's
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  Speaker 3: amazing they need another receiver. But I get the feeling
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  Speaker 3: that they don't think they need now that they have Dobbs,
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  Speaker 3: that they need to do anything significant. I don't rule
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  Speaker 3: it out, Mike. It's less likely to happen because AJ
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  Speaker 3: Brown is going to make twenty nine million, and the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots typically don't tie up that much money at receiver.
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  Speaker 3: So look, my sense is based on what I was
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  Speaker 3: told that the Patriots thought the ask was absurd from
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles, and I'm just telling you that's what I've heard.
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  Speaker 3: But I do know this. I told people that we
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  Speaker 3: put this on Football at four in our shows three
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  Speaker 3: years ago as well, before Mike Rabel got there. The
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  Speaker 3: Patriots called the Eagles before AJ's last extension. They called
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  Speaker 3: him a year before that. They've loved them. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's not just Mike Rabel being there. There's at least
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  Speaker 3: two coaches on that staff. Rabel and that think of
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  Speaker 3: receivers coach are with them in Tennessee. But it's the
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  Speaker 3: general Elliott Wolf is technically not the general manager, but
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  Speaker 3: he runs personnel. He's loved him, so I don't roll
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  Speaker 3: it out. But Mike, there's only so much cash, and
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  Speaker 3: it's sure for cap purposes, the Eagles have to hold.
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  Speaker 3: They have to hold the cap number. Anyway, if they
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  Speaker 3: traded them now, if they traded May thirty first, it
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  Speaker 3: won't matter in terms of the cap. You can't get
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  Speaker 3: the you can't get the benefit of the post June
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  Speaker 3: one until after June one. Anyway. I mean, they could
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  Speaker 3: take it through the draft, Mic, but again, to move
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  Speaker 3: this forward, it's less likely to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's why you know at this point,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're Philadelphia, it probably benefits you to
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  Speaker 1: hold on to Brown. But doesn't that make it harder
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  Speaker 1: for other teams who have already spent some money sure
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  Speaker 1: to wait later on?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And plus, well, Mike, the big thing is they've made
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  Speaker 3: their plans. And then the other thing is, Mike, let's say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's say that draft week the Eagles and Patriots kind
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  Speaker 3: of like the Eagles and Titans did four years ago.
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  Speaker 3: It's really funny how things happen. Let's say that the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles re engaged with the Patriots. The Patriots are aggressive,
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  Speaker 3: they think Eagles could think they're going to get the
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  Speaker 3: deal done. Well, by then, Mike, friends, he's completely picked
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  Speaker 3: over for a receiver. So unless they get that guy
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  Speaker 3: in the draft, it's a little bit harder. So yeah, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: on your point, you wanna, you're gonna want and have
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  Speaker 3: a good idea of.
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  Speaker 1: What you we're talking about account of football at four,
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  Speaker 1: here best fits for the Eagles with what's left, who
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  Speaker 1: are some fits in your mind that would work here.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that most of them are on the defensive
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  Speaker 1: side the ball, because you've lost on defense. But do
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  Speaker 1: you have some people, some names in your mind that
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  Speaker 1: would be good fits.
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  Speaker 3: Well. I mentioned all the edges, I mentioned the safety as,
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned the uh, pretty much everything else. But the
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  Speaker 3: one position we did not talk about Mike, and it's
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  Speaker 3: been very light is cornerback. We haven't talked. They don't
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  Speaker 3: have a starter opposite Quinia Metro right, yea, yep, Mike Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Now that here's the there's a reason why, Mike that
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  Speaker 3: they haven't done anything. Okay, Nate Hobbs is going to
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  Speaker 3: be cut. Who's the starting corner at that? They're cutting
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  Speaker 3: him after one season. He's a roster bonus due on
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  Speaker 3: Saturday of over six million. He's got knee problems. He's
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  Speaker 3: a nickel who could play outside. I know the Niners
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  Speaker 3: have liked in the past of my reporting Egles, I
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  Speaker 3: haven't been really been on him. He's haid knee problems.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see that when you look at the treg
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  Speaker 3: walls out there. The Eagles did not have interest him
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  Speaker 3: at the Trede Dellen As they understand it. Josh Shob,
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  Speaker 3: I can't see him coming back. I know he had
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  Speaker 3: a great season.
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  Speaker 2: I think you went back to Seattle Joe back.
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  Speaker 3: Did he go Okay? Did he Reshon? I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking okay, I'm looking at it, Mike. There are
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  Speaker 3: a lot of guys out there. They're just very mid
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  Speaker 3: to low level. They're just it's really not that good.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of they're like ten Nickels.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know, Adam, I think it was you. We
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  Speaker 1: had this conversation last year. Is the Eagles do not
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  Speaker 1: want to give like Isaiah Rogers, a second year. They'll
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  Speaker 1: give you the one year, but not a second year deal.
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  Speaker 1: So if you are a mid guy, you're not getting
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  Speaker 1: a second year deal. And that's why you know, those
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  Speaker 1: guys are kicking around looking for multiple year deals, and
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  Speaker 1: then if they don't find it, maybe they come back
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  Speaker 1: to you and say, I'll take the.
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  Speaker 3: One year, right like a Dorrig Jackson who didn't have
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  Speaker 3: any choice. He's now thirty years old, so yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: would say that that and then they don't have to
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  Speaker 3: do it now, do it closer to training, and can
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  Speaker 3: do it anytime they want. But they really need to
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  Speaker 3: add to a veteran offensive lineman and one of them
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  Speaker 3: could be Yeah, and they need to guys. I was
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  Speaker 3: told by a very strong the college scout who who
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  Speaker 3: did Kendall Kennell's UH scouting report for his team that
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  Speaker 3: he works for. Said Kennell, who was eagle six round pick.
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  Speaker 3: He said, he's just not a guard at this level.
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  Speaker 3: He's not strong enough. He's a center. It could be
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  Speaker 3: a good backup center. So egles need to guard and
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  Speaker 3: a swing tackle. Mike, that's there's no question about it.
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  Speaker 3: Depth of receivers also an issue running back, they're good
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  Speaker 3: tight end, Okay, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I want to ask you
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  Speaker 2: about all right, I'll.
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  Speaker 3: Get out of it. Yeah, I'll get I was told
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  Speaker 3: before free She started that they would leave the communication
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  Speaker 3: open with Goddard and his agency. Typically what they do
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  Speaker 3: with these situations when they let the guy get the
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  Speaker 3: market is they want to they want to know what's
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  Speaker 3: out there for him and give them a chance to match.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I didn't think he'd go day one.
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  Speaker 3: I do think he'll go off the board this week,
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  Speaker 3: though I'd be done if he's not with likely going
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  Speaker 3: off the board. Kid out and going back to Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Hi could be going back to the Rams. There's
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  Speaker 3: not a lot out there. No offense sign a free
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  Speaker 3: agent deal, so not a lot out there. There's David
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  Speaker 3: and Joke. Who's going to cost you would think would
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  Speaker 3: cost twelve to thirteen million a season. Now, if he
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  Speaker 3: gets under ten, I can't imagine he goes. Wouldn't be interested.
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  Speaker 3: He's better than god Her and he's also younger. He's
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  Speaker 3: just a really good football player, really good, really good player.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: I've always been a fan of his. And then Chick
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: a concost a pass catching guy doesn't blocked very well.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: There's not really much out there, to be honest with you,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: after this, guys.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, because last year we know Gottard, it looked like
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: he was as good as gone. They end up re
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: coming back together, reigniting. I guess if you will one
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: year ten million, and now he's a free agent. We'll
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: see if he gets past the weekend, maybe he comes
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: crawling back out to the Eagles, because not a lot
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: on the tight end market either, with likely going to
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: the Giants. Obviously, you do have the draft that you
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: could do something there as well, But they do not
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: have a tight end, really starting level tight end on
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the current roster. Check out the Inside the Birds podcast
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds dot Com for everything happening this week.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: So far, it's been quiet, but business is probably about
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: to pick up. We'll see an Adam, Jeff and Andrew
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: will have plenty on Inside the Birds dot Com.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Thanks man, Thank you.
• 16:19
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