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Which managers are on the hot seat? Paul Skenes start pushed back + Pete Fairbanks joins FT · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: This is called manager meeting, but it might be a
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Speaker 1: very negative meeting. If you read Bob Nightingale's USA Today
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Speaker 1: column on some fascinating developments in the manager keep or
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Speaker 1: Not Keep job twenty six to twenty seven conversation. So
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Speaker 1: I'll go through a few of the notes that he
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Speaker 1: put in there, and then we can slice and dice.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 1: There's the article in the Sunday Notebook. So included in
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Speaker 1: there is Bob mentioning how Tory Lavello Diamondbacks managers in
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Speaker 1: the final year of his contract and said that they
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Speaker 1: likely need to make the playoffs for him to keep
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Speaker 1: his job. He talks about Alex Cora potentially taking over
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Speaker 1: for the Phillies next year if Don Mattingley doesn't lead
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Speaker 1: the team to a World Series either appearance or title.
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Speaker 1: He says Dan Wilson and Joe Aspata, so Mariners and
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Speaker 1: Astros managers could be let go of their clubs don't
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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Those are just some of many notes
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Speaker 1: in here. We also learned on our own. Buster Posey
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Speaker 1: said the other day that Tony Baytello is coming back
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Speaker 1: next season. I mean if I Tello asked to decide
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Speaker 1: that too, if he doesn't want to go back to
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Speaker 1: the college game. I know we've had that combos, so
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Speaker 1: a lot to dissect. To your Krafts, Where would you
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Speaker 1: like to start?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like there's so many different pieces
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Speaker 3: to this Chriks Dammon fine, completely good. He's back. Don Mattingly.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that he wants to be back. I
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Speaker 3: don't know that his desire is to continue to manage.
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Speaker 3: But I think what he's done, you can't ask for
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Speaker 3: anything else. If Dombrowski wants to go with Korra, he
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Speaker 3: doesn't have a choice. I don't even think if they
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Speaker 3: make it to the NLCS and lose, if he wants
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Speaker 3: Kora and he wants Core, because he's going to be
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Speaker 3: most likely Dombrowski's going to be extended for the twenty
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Speaker 3: seven plus season. Like, I don't think you have really
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Speaker 3: much in there. To me, the guy that you cannot
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Speaker 3: fire is Tory Leavello what he has done in Arizona.
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Speaker 3: If the owner says, hey, you know what I bought
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Speaker 3: these pitchers. I bought you know, Jordan Montgomery, I bought
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Speaker 3: ed you know, Eduardo Rodriguez, I bought Corbin Burns, Like
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Speaker 3: all these guys, what hasn't worked out like I To me,
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Speaker 3: I think Tory Leavello has done an amazing job there.
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Speaker 3: To me, the guy is Dan Wilson. They don't win
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Speaker 3: with this team. I don't see how Dan Wilson keeps
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Speaker 3: his job. And maybe it's nothing against him. I get it.
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Speaker 3: He can't hit for this team, but he's been given
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Speaker 3: all the pieces. He's been given a healthy rotation. He's
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Speaker 3: been given some extra dudes in the in the lineup
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Speaker 3: that just didn't do well, from Refsnyder to Nailer this
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Speaker 3: year to obviously cal Raley. You know, maybe Dan Wilson
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Speaker 3: ran him out there too much last year, but it's
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Speaker 3: his MVP year. So to me, I just think Dan's
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Speaker 3: probably the guy on this list that I'd be like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I see it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would second that. Actually, you know, even Joe Aspata,
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Speaker 4: I feel like even when things have gone the worst,
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Speaker 4: he seems to be the most steady Eddie. The guys
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Speaker 4: love playing under him, and I feel like he figures
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Speaker 4: out how to get this team with all the injuries
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Speaker 4: that they've had this year in the past couple of years,
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Speaker 4: to get this team in a place where they're competitive,
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Speaker 4: and Dan Wilson I would agree. I mean there's been
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Speaker 4: you know, Kyle Riley, he's not as good as he
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Speaker 4: was last year, but he's definitely not as bad as
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Speaker 4: he is this year, So there's some underperformance there. And
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Speaker 4: you know, Julio the first half wasn't that great and
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Speaker 4: you know he's been better as of late, but still
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Speaker 4: not at to the level. So I think, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's it's tough because they've had some really have a
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Speaker 4: really good pitching staff, just a lineup. They haven't figured
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Speaker 4: out how to get consistency out of that lineup, and
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Speaker 4: that's been something that's been a constant problem. So whether
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Speaker 4: that's Dan Wilson or whatever, I can you can understand
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Speaker 4: why someone like that would be fired to try to
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Speaker 4: fight someone else. As far as down mannically, it's it
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Speaker 4: seemed like at the beginning of it, there's a couple
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Speaker 4: of interviews that I listened to that he was he
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Speaker 4: agreed to step in, but understood that this is going
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Speaker 4: to be for this year only. And I honestly feel like.
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Speaker 2: Alex Cora is a really good.
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Speaker 4: Fit to this type of organization, especially with the veterans there.
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Speaker 4: I feel like he knows how to win a certain
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Speaker 4: way and and with Boston, they were trying to do
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Speaker 4: different things that they felt like they could win, and
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Speaker 4: so it was it was a battle of ways of
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Speaker 4: of who which which version is the better way to go,
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Speaker 4: And obviously the organization is going to go with their
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Speaker 4: their side. But Alex Cora knows how to win ball games, So, uh,
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Speaker 4: you can understand how that can just work out perfectly
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Speaker 4: with Mattingly not wanting to be a long term solution
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Speaker 4: for the Phillies.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: But Tory Lavello, that guy A lot.
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Speaker 4: Of a lot of his players loved playing for him.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 4: You feel like he's he's a loved in that clubhouse
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Speaker 4: and he's a great manager. I'm able to have conversations
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Speaker 4: with him, and he's been he's been awesome. So I
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Speaker 4: agree with you Cratzy that Dan Wilson would be the
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Speaker 4: one for me that would be the most likely to
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Speaker 4: be let go. Antony Vitello. They mentioned Buster Posey saying
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Speaker 4: he's going to be back. I definitely want to see
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Speaker 4: what he can do with his second year, because the
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Speaker 4: first year is kind of figuring out the bearings, and
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Speaker 4: you can see early on in the season that a
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Speaker 4: lot of guys are saying that this is it kind
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Speaker 4: of feels like a college type thing with the way
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Speaker 4: he talks to certain guys. But he's a smart man
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Speaker 4: and he knows how to communicate now more with major
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Speaker 4: league guys, and so I like to see him go
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Speaker 4: have a fresh start out of it with some more
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Speaker 4: experience that he's had gained this year, and see what
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Speaker 4: he can do with it.
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Speaker 3: Name of the game for a manager, no matter what
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Speaker 3: situation you're in, Vytello with one of the worst records
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Speaker 3: in the game, or Dave Roberts with one of the
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Speaker 3: best teams, or Pat Murphy, how do you get the
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Speaker 3: most out of your lineup, your rotation, your bullpen to
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Speaker 3: be able to get the most out of each of
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Speaker 3: those guys. It doesn't always equal wins, but you get
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Speaker 3: the most out of them. How does Tony Vaitello get
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Speaker 3: Raffi Devers to get back to his normal career numbers
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Speaker 3: with a slow start. How does Dave Roberts figure out
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Speaker 3: how to keep Shoho Tani healthy? All that stuff, you
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Speaker 3: get the most out of your team. That's what creates
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Speaker 3: a good manager or a bad manager that should be fired.
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Speaker 1: Any other managers even not listed in this article, that
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Speaker 1: you think we should keep an eye on for the
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Speaker 1: next month and change here.
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Speaker 3: As far as should be fired or depends on how
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Speaker 3: the team does.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, hot seat, that's really what this article is about.
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Speaker 4: None really stick out other than these guys. What about Ucratzy?
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Speaker 4: Does anybody any other manager stick out to you?
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Speaker 3: I think I think I think, uh, Terry Francona like
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Speaker 3: is is his veteran leadership in that Cincinnati because it
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Speaker 3: it was kind of he was given this team and
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Speaker 3: they were like, hey, you know what, you got to
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Speaker 3: do your magic. Now. They did make the playoffs last year,
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Speaker 3: and you know a lot of credit can give be
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Speaker 3: given to Tito. But you know, is that is that
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Speaker 3: young mix and that veteran manager? Is that's still the mix?
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Speaker 3: I mean obviously, you know, I go down the list here,
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Speaker 3: Craig Counsel's going nowhere, Walt White going nowhere. You know, Voter,
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Speaker 3: I'm just going up up through. You know, Hinch has
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Speaker 3: been in Detroit for a long time, but there's very
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Speaker 3: few managers more respect. Oh well, that's an easy way.
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Speaker 3: Kurt made his own bed. Yeah, that's that's a good one. Hey, Jay,
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Speaker 3: I like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Suzuki's contract is expiring and I don't think
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Speaker 1: he'll be back, just because that's what they like to
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Speaker 1: play over.
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Speaker 7: There in Anaheim. Just new guy every year.
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Speaker 1: The Mets with Andy Green, I don't think he's going
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Speaker 1: to manage them after this year. I know they're playing
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Speaker 1: some better ball over the last few weeks, But Bob
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Speaker 1: Ninkal's actually actually I think, been the one who has
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Speaker 1: been banging on the drum that he thinks Carlos Beltron
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Speaker 1: is a lock for the next manager of the Mets.
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Speaker 1: So there's one there. Chad Tracy should get his interim
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Speaker 1: tech removed yesterday for Boston. With the run that they
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Speaker 1: just had, they're gonna most likely make the playoffs. So
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Speaker 1: he's done a great job. I think that's fair right.
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Speaker 1: He should be the manager next year for the team,
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Speaker 1: no doubt.
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Speaker 4: I think so.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think the players resonate with him. I think he's
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Speaker 4: done a great job with that, So yeah, it's going
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Speaker 4: to be something, you know, if you can get the
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Speaker 4: most out of your players like that, and then you
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Speaker 4: add some more pitching involved in that to round out
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Speaker 4: that team. I think that's something that's his favor for sure.
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Speaker 3: I talked to some people in Boston, actually ran into
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Speaker 3: him when I was up and up in New England
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Speaker 3: here and I think Chad Tracy while you watch him
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Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, he's very like, seems very reserved
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Speaker 3: all this stuff. He's done a great job in the clubhouse,
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Speaker 3: but the connection that he has with how the organization
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Speaker 3: wants to run things. AJ kind of hit on a
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Speaker 3: little bit when he was talking about Kora, you know,
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Speaker 3: maybe not meshing too well with the organization. Chad Tracy
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Speaker 3: Mesh as well. He was the triple A manager. There's
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Speaker 3: rhetoric that's being brought down from the front office that
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Speaker 3: he's able to filter out to the players to get
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Speaker 3: the most out of him. He's able to filter things through,
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Speaker 3: like look what Durbin's done, Cale Durbin's done since he's
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Speaker 3: taken over. Like, there's adjustments that players have to make,
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Speaker 3: and sometimes it's just how the information is being brought
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Speaker 3: to you and then you give it to that player
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Speaker 3: in a different way. And Chad's done an incredible job
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Speaker 3: of that. And you know, that's why I think it's
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Speaker 3: a it's a good fit for him for for the
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Speaker 3: organization and not just the players.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and also some of those a lot of those
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Speaker 4: guys he managed in the minor leagues as well, so
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Speaker 4: they understand how he goes about his business. So I think, yeah, overall,
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Speaker 4: I think that's that's gonna be a guy that's going
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Speaker 4: to stay there. And you look at how they're playing
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Speaker 4: this this uh second half or the second win. Basically
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Speaker 4: they went on that little run. It shows you the
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Speaker 4: potential of it. Now they're not always going to go
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Speaker 4: on those runs, but it lets you see the potential
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Speaker 4: which you weren't seeing earlier in the year because the
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Speaker 4: conflict of interest in how you they analyze the game
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Speaker 4: between manager and front office. So now you've got everyone
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Speaker 4: pulling in the same direction. So everything that is being
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Speaker 4: said is everyone's pulling the same rope, and that is huge,
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Speaker 4: especially in Boston when you get a lot of those
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Speaker 4: talented guys pulling the same way. That's whenever the team
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Speaker 4: starts playing as a team and you start seeing them
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Speaker 4: run a rattle off all these wins.
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Speaker 1: So when you sum this all up, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think about a third of the league changed in terms
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Speaker 1: of manager from last year. From about a year ago
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Speaker 1: to then the beginning of the season, right Kratz number,
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Speaker 1: the number got close to about a third of the league.
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Speaker 7: We might get close to that number. Again, that's crazy.
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Speaker 3: That's crazy. But I don't even know what a normal,
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Speaker 3: what the normal is, like, what's the average managerial change?
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Speaker 3: But it has to be it has to be higher
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Speaker 3: now because front offices don't view it the same way.
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Speaker 3: They don't view the continuity, They don't view the manager
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Speaker 3: role as the same. And owners definitely don't view it
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Speaker 3: the same because they don't pay the guys as much.
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Speaker 3: They don't they don't keep the veteran guy around. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean I would say that number has to go up.
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Speaker 3: Maybe somebody one of these good writers that we have
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Speaker 3: one would write an article about that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we might get that at some point.
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Speaker 1: And I would bet that the average number has gone
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Speaker 1: up over the last since COVID basically, right, just using
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Speaker 1: that time period in the last half decade or so
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Speaker 1: versus prior.
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Speaker 3: Since the playoff. Since the more teams make it into
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, I think that's the biggest.
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Speaker 7: Thing that puts more heat on, right.
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Speaker 3: Uh No, I think I think teams are like, ah,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot more spots, so we can get you know,
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Speaker 3: we can get one of those playoff spots, which does
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Speaker 3: put more heat on, but it also is like whatever,
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Speaker 3: We'll just run an algorithm and you know, we got
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Speaker 3: a chance to make the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: two minutes here on Paul Skeens and the Pittsburgh Pirates
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Speaker 1: who have fallen out a little bit. Skeens is getting
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Speaker 1: pushed back a few days.
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Speaker 8: AJ.
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Speaker 1: What have you seen from him this year? We've been
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Speaker 1: covering what's going on here Pittsburgh nine and sixteen in
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Speaker 1: his starts, not giving them length v low and just
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Speaker 1: the effectiveness on all his pitches are down. Ben Charrington,
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Speaker 1: who runs the team, talked about how the strikeout and
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Speaker 1: walk rates are still in a similar spot and then
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Speaker 1: he's just going through some wear and tear, not an injury.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So I got to see him pitch against the Marlins
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Speaker 4: his last start, and his stuff was slightly diminished. For sure.
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Speaker 4: It looked like he was laboring through that full outing.
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Speaker 4: You can always tell by the body language. He tries
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Speaker 4: to exhibit the same things after every pitch. But his
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Speaker 4: mouth was open. He was breathing op like is breathing heavily,
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Speaker 4: And so they took him out early in that start.
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Speaker 4: Donnie Kelly said, yeah, we took him out just, you know,
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Speaker 4: to give him a breather, and then sure enough they
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Speaker 4: kind of pushed back his start. But a lot of times,
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Speaker 4: this is his third full year, I believe pitching. And
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Speaker 4: so my first two years I never got dead arm.
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Speaker 4: In that third year and around August, I got dead arm.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't my arm wasn't hurting or anything like in
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Speaker 4: spring training when I got dead arm, I had a
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Speaker 4: pain on my bicep area. But when I got to August,
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Speaker 4: it was just nothing was coming out. There was no pain,
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Speaker 4: there was no tiredness. It's just when I throw the
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Speaker 4: ball it felt like it was ten pounds heavier. So
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Speaker 4: schemes could be going through something like this, and especially
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Speaker 4: when you expect him to be he said, expectations really high.
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Speaker 4: If he doesn't quite meet those, then it's something that
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Speaker 4: can be exacerbated and people say, no, no, he's injured.
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Speaker 4: So right now I think he's just going through one
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Speaker 4: of those times where.
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Speaker 2: It's the dog days of August.
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Speaker 4: So they're giving him a little bit of a break
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Speaker 4: to kind of get him back on because they haven't
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Speaker 4: been doing well.
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Speaker 1: for a moment here for the last couple of weeks,
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Speaker 1: what's feeling good?
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Speaker 8: Make some good adjustments, kind of let the slot head
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Speaker 8: prepped down a little bit, and you know, I described
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Speaker 8: it as it's not necessarily turns it into a dead
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Speaker 8: zone heater, But when I with how the fastball moves,
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Speaker 8: if I'm not in like the high fifties, right at
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Speaker 8: sixty degrees on the arm slot just become significantly more hittable.
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Speaker 8: So it felt like I made the uh you know
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Speaker 8: if hopefully you know, obviously I had to stay on
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Speaker 8: top of it, but started to trend back up with
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Speaker 8: sound and the four teams on the line or has
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Speaker 8: you know, I typically tend to find a little more success.
18:16
Speaker 4: How do you go about implementing that? And how do
18:19
Speaker 4: you know when you're exactly at fifty degrees and all
18:23
Speaker 4: those things? So how do you work on that? Is
18:26
Speaker 4: it during catchplay or what is it?
18:28
Speaker 2: What is your thought.
18:28
Speaker 4: Process or what are your mechanics telling you to do there?
18:34
Speaker 8: Yeah, the easiest for me is I just try and
18:37
Speaker 8: feel like the ball gets higher as I you know,
18:39
Speaker 8: kind of go through the takeaway as I'm going down
18:41
Speaker 8: the mound, and that's just a catch play. Then you
18:44
Speaker 8: want to just feel like just the ball is just
18:47
Speaker 8: getting one tick higher as I have my little short
18:49
Speaker 8: arm swing and just feel like it's has that one
18:52
Speaker 8: little extra beat to climb before you start going forward,
18:56
Speaker 8: and that's, you know, something you do in catchplay, something
18:58
Speaker 8: you do in the pregame touch and feel, and then
19:01
Speaker 8: you know, you're getting your post game reports and I'm
19:03
Speaker 8: able to see, you know, if it's trending in.
19:06
Speaker 9: That direction or not.
19:07
Speaker 8: And you know, we've climbed a couple of degrees since
19:09
Speaker 8: we've we've tried to do it, so it seems like
19:12
Speaker 8: the cues are working.
19:13
Speaker 3: Do you know it before you get your post game information,
19:17
Speaker 3: you get the pack it that tells you your degrees
19:19
Speaker 3: or where they're at, or do you know it when
19:22
Speaker 3: it's happening and you're like, I can't do anything because
19:24
Speaker 3: I'm hanging right now.
19:27
Speaker 8: You know, my best my best reference point is to
19:30
Speaker 8: do everybody's favorite quick check to the metrics on the scoreboard,
19:35
Speaker 8: and I know, you know, just with how with how
19:38
Speaker 8: the you know, you kind of reverse engineer it from
19:40
Speaker 8: you can see the ballfly and be like, okay, well
19:42
Speaker 8: that was you know, what are you looking for for me?
19:44
Speaker 8: If it's if it has any sort of run that's
19:47
Speaker 8: three or less, you know, from three on the on
19:50
Speaker 8: the run side to anything that's true cut typically tells
19:54
Speaker 8: me that I'm in the right spot. So yeah, you know,
19:57
Speaker 8: if I I distinctly remember giving up and absolutely just
20:01
Speaker 8: I mean it might have gone through the bleachers in
20:05
Speaker 8: the Loan Dome had the bleacher's not been there. And
20:08
Speaker 8: I looked up and I had like five or six
20:10
Speaker 8: run on it. I was like, yeah, we gotta make
20:11
Speaker 8: we got to start making some adjustments here.
20:15
Speaker 4: How much of that, you know, of all of those
20:18
Speaker 4: different metrics and things, how much did that play on
20:21
Speaker 4: your confidence? Because as a closer, you know, you got
20:24
Speaker 4: to go in there, whether your stuff is running a
20:25
Speaker 4: lot or whether it's your fastball that you want. So
20:28
Speaker 4: how do you work on Let's say you look back
20:30
Speaker 4: and you see a lot of run, how do you
20:32
Speaker 4: not make it so mechanical so that it doesn't mess
20:34
Speaker 4: up mess up your flow or your confidence when you're
20:36
Speaker 4: trying to close out a ball game.
20:38
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think it's you know, I'm just
20:41
Speaker 8: trying to stay within my mental queues, regardless of kind
20:44
Speaker 8: of what's going on with you know, how the ball
20:47
Speaker 8: is coming out of the hand, and I know that,
20:49
Speaker 8: you know, if there is one that I'm I look up,
20:52
Speaker 8: I see and we're not you know, we're not where
20:54
Speaker 8: we're supposed to be.
20:56
Speaker 9: I mean, typically it's as easy as just feeling.
20:58
Speaker 8: Like I'm a little bit more on the outside of
20:59
Speaker 8: the ball with ass ball, just I'm naturally kind of
21:04
Speaker 8: on the side of it to begin with. And whenever
21:05
Speaker 8: I can just feel like a little bit extra, I
21:07
Speaker 8: know it's gonna end up kind of back where we're
21:10
Speaker 8: where we're looking for.
21:12
Speaker 3: How fresh are you right now? We were just talking
21:14
Speaker 3: before you came on. You probably heard us. We were
21:16
Speaker 3: talking about Paul Skins and AJ was talking about dead arm.
21:21
Speaker 3: Can you give us a run through through the season
21:24
Speaker 3: of how fresh a pitcher can be or is or
21:27
Speaker 3: do you ever go out there like in Philly. You're
21:30
Speaker 3: gonna be in Philly, I'm gonna be watching you. I'm
21:31
Speaker 3: gonna be in the four hundred level yelling at you.
21:34
Speaker 3: You won't be able to hear anything, and I won't
21:35
Speaker 3: be able to see if it's you. But like, is
21:38
Speaker 3: there an adrenaline spike sometimes that you're like, man, I
21:41
Speaker 3: was feeling kind of pet now I'm feeling kind of nice.
21:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:46
Speaker 8: I think you know, coming out of the bullpen, you're
21:52
Speaker 8: it's pretty hard to be immune from any sort of adrenaline,
21:56
Speaker 8: and it's also pretty hard to be immune of any
21:57
Speaker 8: sort of wear and tear, so even each other out
22:01
Speaker 8: and you know, whether it's getting your your extra recovery,
22:05
Speaker 8: pregame or whatever it is.
22:08
Speaker 9: I mean, you're never really fresh, but you're always good
22:10
Speaker 9: to go.
22:12
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, No, that's uh. It's one of those things
22:15
Speaker 4: that you can't escape it. You just got to figure
22:17
Speaker 4: out how to be the best version of yourself of
22:19
Speaker 4: that game. But recently there's been some controversy with some
22:22
Speaker 4: guys maybe hitting well, hitting guys after giving up grand
22:26
Speaker 4: slams or homers. I've done it myself. It wasn't on purpose.
22:31
Speaker 4: I just let it go and where it went it went.
22:34
Speaker 4: But what do you think the like, do you think
22:37
Speaker 4: there should be a penalty or what what do you
22:39
Speaker 4: think should should be implemented so that guys don't get hurt?
22:46
Speaker 9: So I just play hypothetical rules committee. Look, I don't.
22:52
Speaker 8: I think that there's a right way to hit people,
22:56
Speaker 8: you know, I don't think that that's part of the game.
22:58
Speaker 8: And obviously that's you can flip that however, it needs
23:02
Speaker 8: to be clipped for maximum engagement. But there's a difference
23:06
Speaker 8: between sticking up for your guys and you know, hitting
23:10
Speaker 8: somebody right, and that old behind versus the emotional. I'm
23:14
Speaker 8: gonna throw at somebody because I'm not not succeeding. You know,
23:18
Speaker 8: I've been on teams where both have happened, and I think,
23:23
Speaker 8: you know, there's there's not a place in the game
23:25
Speaker 8: for the emotional. I don't like what I'm doing out there,
23:29
Speaker 8: so I'm gonna plump somebody. I don't think that that
23:31
Speaker 8: it should be a part of the game.
23:34
Speaker 2: Now.
23:34
Speaker 8: If your guys are getting buzzed and you got people
23:36
Speaker 8: getting hit up top, and you know you got a
23:39
Speaker 8: guy that is out there that needs to stick up
23:42
Speaker 8: for your guys, I think that's part of the kind
23:45
Speaker 8: of the old school baseball that shouldn't be eradicated from
23:48
Speaker 8: the game.
23:50
Speaker 3: Who handles it for you guys? Like, does the bullpen
23:52
Speaker 3: start to like get a little old man? I can't
23:55
Speaker 3: believe they hit the hitstours three times. I can't believe
23:57
Speaker 3: they hit X, you know twice this game. Do you
24:00
Speaker 3: guys start seeing that because if they call I know,
24:03
Speaker 3: I called down to the bullpen one time to tell
24:05
Speaker 3: the next guy in to hit somebody, and I found
24:07
Speaker 3: out that they're recording all the calls down, so I
24:10
Speaker 3: know that's not how it works.
24:14
Speaker 8: Yeah, the last couple of situations that I've seen that
24:19
Speaker 8: was early in the game, and the Starter handled it.
24:23
Speaker 8: And you know, I think it's very game situation dependent, right,
24:26
Speaker 8: Like you can you can tell when when somebody gets
24:32
Speaker 8: a little emotional and hit somebody, and you know, depending
24:35
Speaker 8: on game situation.
24:37
Speaker 9: I mean, we're look our group is, So.
24:43
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say slap happy and use that as the
24:46
Speaker 8: is the term for how we are down there, because
24:49
Speaker 8: we were about as loose as it gets. I don't
24:51
Speaker 8: I don't think that we're super We're not super locked
24:54
Speaker 8: in until that phone range and you know that it's
24:56
Speaker 8: your time to go in. But yeah, I mean the
24:59
Speaker 8: stuff like that Cratzy's you know, it gets handled in
25:02
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25:05
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Speaker 4: So part of being in the bullpen, you're a veteran guy.
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Speaker 4: Is part of is being a good being a veteran
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Speaker 4: is helping out the younger guys. One of the guys
26:25
Speaker 4: that had a really a glow up is Michael Peterson.
26:28
Speaker 4: Have you had any convos with him? What have you
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26:33
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26:36
Speaker 2: Cool to watch.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, watching big Mitrow has been. I mean it's been
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Speaker 8: a lot of fun. I mean you can just for
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26:51
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26:55
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26:58
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27:02
Speaker 8: a lot of confidence. And then you start seeing success,
27:06
Speaker 8: you know, and you start seeing his big toe walk
27:08
Speaker 8: off the field. I mean, it's been it's been a
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Speaker 8: lot of fun to watch. And anytime, you know, you
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Speaker 8: get to see him go into a ballgame, you feel
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27:18
Speaker 3: All right. Did you see the Joshua Bias three homers
27:21
Speaker 3: in his first three at bats coming to the big leagues?
27:24
Speaker 2: Oh?
27:24
Speaker 9: I sure did.
27:25
Speaker 3: Okay, when you face a rookie coming up, how much
27:29
Speaker 3: information scattering report do you guys get or actually want?
27:34
Speaker 3: Because you've only been talking. Well when I'm good, I
27:37
Speaker 3: got a little cut mostly no run, And I'm just
27:40
Speaker 3: gonna be me. How much scattering report do you have
27:43
Speaker 3: when a guy comes up like that?
27:47
Speaker 9: I mean you don't see a ton of of it.
27:50
Speaker 9: I mean you'll run off the triple A numbers.
27:52
Speaker 2: Right.
27:52
Speaker 8: Everything is you have access to way more information than
27:57
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Speaker 8: would say, so, I mean you're gonna have You're gonna
28:02
Speaker 8: have a general, you know, pitch type strength that you
28:05
Speaker 8: might see from a guy. But I mean, oh, on all,
28:08
Speaker 8: I think I would say the league as a whole,
28:11
Speaker 8: pitching wise, is you're gonna throw to your strengths. I
28:14
Speaker 8: mean unless you have such an absolute drastic strength or
28:20
Speaker 8: weakness from a hitter to a certain pitch. So yeah,
28:23
Speaker 8: I mean I think you get your stuff. But also
28:27
Speaker 8: you know you're in a trust who you are, and
28:29
Speaker 8: it's finding that ideal blend, and sometimes it's leaning more
28:33
Speaker 8: towards what you do well, and sometimes it's it's.
28:35
Speaker 9: Going to you know, what you see people struggle with.
28:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can speak to that part. I mean a
28:40
Speaker 4: lot of times or sometimes I didn't even know who's
28:42
Speaker 4: in the box. I just saw a righty or lefty.
28:44
Speaker 4: I'm throwing what I feel feels good. But when earlier
28:47
Speaker 4: when you said we're a slap happy team, I thought
28:49
Speaker 4: you were referring to Tyler Phillips, who is now a starter.
28:53
Speaker 4: What is it, you know? For those who haven't seen it,
28:56
Speaker 4: Tyler Phillips slaps used to slap his face when he
28:58
Speaker 4: came out of the bullpen, so that's what he was
29:00
Speaker 4: referring to. But what's it been like without Tyler Phillips
29:03
Speaker 4: in the bullpen?
29:08
Speaker 8: You know, we've got uh Zuber and King affectionately refer
29:14
Speaker 8: to the group is the he Haw Gang.
29:17
Speaker 9: U Zuber.
29:18
Speaker 8: As we know, he's from Arkansas, so it's got a
29:20
Speaker 8: little country to him. He always likes to say that
29:23
Speaker 8: people are playing he Haw and we've got I'd say
29:29
Speaker 8: we're probably six out of eight down there that are
29:31
Speaker 8: card carrying members of the he Haw Gang.
29:35
Speaker 2: I love it.
29:36
Speaker 4: I love it, all right. So we're gonna do a
29:38
Speaker 4: rapid fire type question. It's gonna be me and you, Okay,
29:41
Speaker 4: two closers. I'm a former closer, you're you're a closer still,
29:45
Speaker 4: all right, So we're gonna do it really quickly. Ready,
29:47
Speaker 4: all right, favorite album of all time?
29:52
Speaker 9: I Empire, Angles and Airwaves.
29:54
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, what about your favorite movie?
30:04
Speaker 8: I mean, I go in phases, i'd probably say right
30:07
Speaker 8: now Tenant Chris Nolan.
30:10
Speaker 4: Oh, that one's I gotta see Trip.
30:13
Speaker 9: You either love it or you hate it. You either
30:15
Speaker 9: love it or you hate it. There's no in between.
30:16
Speaker 2: No, I love it.
30:17
Speaker 4: I just have to watch it again to understand it.
30:20
Speaker 4: Mind blowing. I'm gonna ask you one more than I'm
30:23
Speaker 4: gonna have. Then Krats is gonna ask you one. Uh,
30:25
Speaker 4: let's see. What about Yeah, what is your pregame meal.
30:32
Speaker 9: Right now?
30:33
Speaker 8: I've been ripping through. Uh, Chef t down in Miami.
30:36
Speaker 8: It makes an incredible Italian sandwich. So typically it's been that,
30:40
Speaker 8: but uh, I'll also go Chef's choice of whatever sandwhich
30:43
Speaker 8: he's feeling for that day.
30:46
Speaker 3: Oh man, you get to I mean, I guess you
30:47
Speaker 3: don't get the Cuban because we always will get the
30:49
Speaker 3: Cuban when we will go down to Miami. So at home,
30:52
Speaker 3: do you get the Cubans at home?
30:54
Speaker 2: Uh?
30:54
Speaker 8: Look, my my heart with Cuban sandwiches belongs to Bodega
30:57
Speaker 8: and Saint Pete. It's right by the trop and it's
31:00
Speaker 8: probably the best Cuban sandwich you'll find.
31:03
Speaker 3: So you don't even you don't you don't cheat on.
31:05
Speaker 8: Your I don't even doubt no if I would get
31:07
Speaker 8: I don't order a Cuban from any place except for
31:10
Speaker 8: Bodega and Saint Pete.
31:12
Speaker 3: Okay, so two parts to my final question and then
31:16
Speaker 3: we'll let you go. You're in Philly, Okay. First of all,
31:20
Speaker 3: I'm coming. I'm bringing my team down. We're gonna be
31:22
Speaker 3: on the field. My high school team we won the
31:24
Speaker 3: state championship, so we'll be on the field pregame today.
31:27
Speaker 3: So I expect you to come out say hi to
31:29
Speaker 3: tell'll find you, don't you worry? And there's twenty twenty
31:33
Speaker 3: dudes on the team, and I'm gonna say seven of
31:36
Speaker 3: them know who you are. The rest have will have
31:38
Speaker 3: no idea who you are. But will you partake in
31:44
Speaker 3: the Philly steak and cheese that they have in a clubhouse?
31:48
Speaker 3: I know you're not going to go for the eating contest,
31:50
Speaker 3: but will you eat a Philly steak and cheese because
31:53
Speaker 3: they're the best in Philly, in the in the visiting
31:56
Speaker 3: clubhouse in Philly?
31:58
Speaker 8: I sure will? I think I had three or four
32:00
Speaker 8: the last time I was here. Yeah, that's my normally,
32:03
Speaker 8: I'll show up. That's that's lunch every day.
32:06
Speaker 3: Do you know what the record is for a four
32:08
Speaker 3: game series.
32:10
Speaker 8: I thought it was like twenty or something like that,
32:13
Speaker 8: twenty or twenty one. It's something that I it was
32:16
Speaker 8: almost repulsive to see, like the full sized cheese tacking.
32:19
Speaker 8: Then imagine somebody eating as many as it was.
32:23
Speaker 3: Marcus handle the bullpen catcher for the Brewers. I think
32:27
Speaker 3: it's twenty seven is what he ate. He ate twenty
32:30
Speaker 3: seven of them, and then off day Monday, and he
32:34
Speaker 3: woke up at twelve o'clock in the after like at noon,
32:38
Speaker 3: and he started sweating and his chest started to like convulse,
32:43
Speaker 3: and he said his right hand felt numb. He's like,
32:48
Speaker 3: you might not have had a heart attack, but you
32:50
Speaker 3: were pre heart attacked as close as you Yeah, yes, yes.
32:55
Speaker 1: He saw his life flashing before his eyes thanks to
32:58
Speaker 1: too many cheesecake or cheese, I should say, And that's
33:01
Speaker 1: for a series you're saying, right, krats four game series.
33:04
Speaker 3: There's a record. Matt Latos has it, I think for
33:07
Speaker 3: the three game series because he was hurt and then
33:11
Speaker 3: Handles got it for the four game. It's hung up, Pete.
33:13
Speaker 3: Pete can let us know.
33:15
Speaker 9: I'll do some research.
33:16
Speaker 2: There was one day.
33:20
Speaker 4: Nine something like that. Crazy.
33:24
Speaker 3: You could take it. He would take it in his
33:26
Speaker 3: mitt out to catch. He would take a cheese steak
33:29
Speaker 3: in his mitt out to catch during the game, so
33:32
Speaker 3: he'd be out there in the game.
33:33
Speaker 2: He just.
33:35
Speaker 3: And then he'd take one home.
33:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, dedicated.
33:39
Speaker 7: There's bullpen catchers working hard for us. Thank you, Pete.
33:43
Speaker 1: Good to see you man, and good luck with Krats
33:45
Speaker 1: and all his rascals later.
33:48
Speaker 9: Yeah, putting the over unders, it's sticks and a half.
33:50
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33:57
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33:58
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