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Com Truise: Captain Marvel Review & Leaving Neverland Documentary Reaction · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  I'm GNA start off by apologizing to Craig I'm GNA start off by talking about Star Wars
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  okay that's a Star Wars them welcome to multiple
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  nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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  Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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  Things nerdy well sorry to listen to Craig
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  who's repeatedly written in and asked us begged us to stop he pays us to not do
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  it that's true he literally gave us money to shut up about Star Wars and we
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  haven't maybe we have to give him a dollar back because uh we're definitely
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  going to talk about Star Wars I was thinking about L Jedi today and I came
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  to the conclusion The Last Jedi makes the force awakens a bad movie yes well
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  yeah sort of yeah it just yeah takes yeah that that's that's all that's all I
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  got just a lot of stuff that I liked about like the force awakens just gets
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  ripped away and thrown away in The Last Jedi and it makes it cuz like one thing
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  that JJ did with like Ray like everyone who went like who's the girl and then it
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  cut away like it was building up to something and then Ryan Johnson went oh
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  she's nobody the problem is and I'm sure someone out there is yelling this at the
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  at people on the bus right now as they're listening to this um I really
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  hope someone is cuz I would love that the problem is that JJ sets all that
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  stuff up but then he doesn't have the the payoff the answer is Ray wasn't
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  anybody there was probably it was it was just that's what JJ does and and I mean
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  I like it I like it when he does that CU he usually will try and make him pay off
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  but Ryan Johnson was like ah [ __ ] you yeah don't care about it yeah move it on
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  so that's the problem you know who else doesn't like it Mark Hamill and he's still going
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  yeah I know he was talking about the other day he is still Tweeting about how
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  annoyed he is about how he was portrayed in The Last Jedi I still don't blame him
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  how L was portrayed I mean I mean it's it's not like it was a documentary that
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  they're just cooking out of context did you see the thing about 3PO this week no
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  what's wrong with 3PO well nothing but there was a mark hell's at like I said
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  he's at it again like he said he was in an interview and he was talking about
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  the Last Jedi and they said um you disagreed with him a little bit
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  about the portrayal of the character and he said that in the scene where Luke
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  shows up and talks to Leia as written and as directed originally he was
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  supposed to just walk in like wander past everybody including 3PO and have a
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  chat with Leia and then just leave and Mar HL said to Ryan Johnson I'm not just
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  going to walk past 3p and not say anything and and he was like what do you
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  mean and he's like [ __ ] C3PO he's he would he would he would say something or
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  he would he would do something he would he would acknowledge Him in some way
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  Ryan Johnson was like do whatever you want then and
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  so that's as Mark Hamill tells it and so that's why there's that scene where he
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  just Winks at him because Ry Johnson was like ah I don't know [ __ ] do whatever you
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  want allegedly but I love it that that that's
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  what he wanted to do it's like he's like no no I think they should just wink he's
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  like no no seriously like I'm [ __ ] I'm zoning out of this anyway man you
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  just do whatever you want you can have a [ __ ] monologue at him if you want go
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  do a little but then but the thing is and I'm almost inclined to fall down on
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  the side of Ryan Johnson on this one because someone pointed out Luke's not
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  really there he's he's a force projection so now he can still see
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  everyone well yeah but yeah but 3PO can Droid SE Force projections like it's
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  kind of Mark ham accidentally said a strange pre
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  if you know what I mean like maybe I I forget if 3p reacts but maybe that's why
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  he was winking at him he was like you can't see me right now
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  yeah yeah I don't know that's a good well hold on can droids see anyway in
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  the traditional sense well yeah well that that's that's the question because
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  you're right I mean if they probably see
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  with a bunch of sensors motion senses or
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  like heat thermal detectors I mean they're not I mean that's not going to
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  see a ghost is it well [ __ ] I don't know I know very little about robots and even
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  less about ghosts well you know there was a there was a quite a lengthly
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  discussion on on the something awful.com forums uh about whether the droids in
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  Star Wars are a sentient beings are they alive because George Lucas thinks no the
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  droids are appliances as far as he's concerned but then you've got solo now
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  which has this kind of you know robot Uprising and they it looks at them more
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  as slaves whereas Lucas was very clear no no no their [ __ ] appliances they
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  just act like people because he actually said at one point in an interview 3PO is
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  kind of odd because he he behaves like a person but he's not a person he's just a
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  [ __ ] computer and before the extended Universe became Legends they um they
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  made a big point that ig88 was like one of the first resps to be come actually
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  sentient yeah right so it it all the others just had artificial intelligence
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  but yeah there was an experiment that
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  went went wrong and ig88 was born but I don't know what happens in that Universe
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  anymore I'm confused me too well yeah little kids know more about this stuff than I do now
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  cuz everyone's just sad that what's her name got uh was it whatever the the the
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  solo Droid you know got put in with the Falcon and all that kind of stuff but
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  like like as as intended by George Lucas [ __ ] who gives a [ __ ] she's just of
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  Xbox I love my Xbox people now think that the droids
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  are like alive than are supposed to be and it actually reflects badly on people
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  treatment of them you like they put the restraining bolts on them in [ __ ] A
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  New Hope like they're slaves like it makes they're not allow [ __ ] Moss e
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  CER exactly yeah it makes things retroactively weird now that they're
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  kind of slaves so I and that's probably why
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  George Lucas was very careful to say no no well I mean even just putting a
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  message in someone and shooting them out of a spaceship in an escape podt oh
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  we've all been there if that was a human being you've never had a message inside
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  of you come on I mean where'd he go from that yeah I
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  know I know I've made things weird oh um
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  Star Wars Galaxy's Edge opens in um may
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  now yeah someone's flown some uh flown a drone above it gotten some uh gotten
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  some footage that cheeky P you you think that Disney would have that that thing
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  that shuts down drones down from flying overhead a shotgun
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  yeah you think so no but don't don't can't you actually set up like a uh you
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  can cut off the absolutely can because GPS n Zone or whatever it is try to fly
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  drones in many many places that it just won't take off yeah you think honestly
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  thought Disney would be one of those places maybe they didn't think of it or
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  didn't expand it to that area or something like that so when are we going
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  uh when do you want to go um I don't want to go when it first opens that is
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  that is fair cuz it's going to be a terrible place there for a
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  while it might be really good they might have a lot of stuff going on
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  though yeah but there's also going to be a lot of people no the lines of Disney
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  are always [ __ ] anyway the problem with with there's never not going to be
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  people it's [ __ ] Disneyland exactly and the problem with um they stagger the
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  school holidays here so I I don't even know if there's a time you can go in
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  purposely for Disneyland well I don't know so that everyone's not there at
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  once uh I don't know I don't know about that I know that they stagger the
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  holidays though cuz remember Luke that guy the cab driver told us that I think
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  I think yeah that's cuz we were like oh when's a good time to go and he's like
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  oh there isn't one you just just deal with it yeah but you shoot a single
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  Rider line and I'm a [ __ ] so yeah what are you worried about you always
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  get special treatment no no no but even even with being a [ __ ] and single R
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  light at when that place first opens it's going to be terrible to begin with
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  I heard so I'm thinking we go maybe next year I heard that the inside Galaxy's
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  Edge that area all of the stores they won't they don't sell like merchandise
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  as such they just sell things that exist in Star Wars and my source for that
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  information is is Jenna and I don't know what her source for that information was
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  so when you say things that exist in Star Wars like you could buy uh her
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  example was like you could buy like holocrons and things like that like like
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  it's merchandise but it's not like Mickey mousey and [ __ ] not like not like
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  he's the figurines and stuff like that it's actually well they you could buy
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  like like uh you know like raised toys of of Stormtroopers and stuff that she
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  has you could buy stuff like that but you couldn't Buy like Han Solo like the
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  action figure kind of thing it's it's supposed to be like you're in the world
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  yeah and I know the um all the restaurants have have you seen the
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  photos of what the food looks like looks like [ __ ] it's all just blue milk
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  right you can get blue milk and you can get green milk and you can get uh
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  actually it's it's non-dairy uh milk whatever the [ __ ] it is it's some weird
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  some non-dairy thing and it's um and all the food looks like like weird Wars [ __ ]
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  like there's one that's got like bits of meat hanging on a hook and like you know
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  like jar tries to eat yeah the food just looks like Star Wars food what it it
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  yeah it seems really cool I'm interested I'm going to throw money at Disney to go
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  through this place and then they've got are they doing that [ __ ] immersive experience
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  yeah and that's what I mean like I am doing that I'm going to stay there I'm
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  going to do the ERS experience I'm doing everything going to be poor after this yeah
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  poor but happy very happy but I'm thinking next year sure let it let it
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  open up let it get through the sort of teething problems that most places have
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  sure yeah all right and then we go fine I I have get drunk at the container I
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  have the least distance to travel to get there so whatever um now which one do we
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  go to yeah I mean piss mad off if we went to the one that was like 12 hours
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  from his house rather than the one that's like 4 hours away what 12 it's
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  like 6 hours away yeah it is it it is uh a lot more expensive to get to the other
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  side of the country though but whatever you know whatever we can I'm coming from
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  the other side of the world that's not my problem but no no no whatever we can
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  uh whatever we can work out uh sorry Craig that was quite a lengthly Star
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  Wars discussion but we do have we'll move on now we have well we got another
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  Disney movie we should discuss this week and it's probably I assume everybody's
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  expecting us to talk about it no spoilers and the Hound
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  fxing yeah Robin Hood oh I love Robin Hood yeah man
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  [ __ ] I was obsessed with that movie when I was a kid no you know which movie
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  it is Luke say the name Captain Marvel
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  pronounced Marvel yeah yes sorry two words
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  spoiler what do you guys think of Captain Marvel I didn't mind it but it's
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  definitely not my favorite Marvel movie yeah I think that's a pretty good
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  summarizing of uh how I feel too it was good and I liked a lot about it it
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  wasn't great I I put it up um second
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  tier Marvel movie I think maybe I enjoyed it more than infinity War if I'm
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  honest really I mean I enjoyed it more than uh Iron Man 3 for example but but
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  not a heck of a lot more I've I've enjoyed trips to dentist more than Iron Man
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  3 so I'm going to that's not true that's not true listen
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  the CGI that they had for Samuel Jackson I don't think that technology is there
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  have I thought it was someone in it for a main star I thought it was fine and
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  Carlson as well spoiler no it I thought Carson didn't didn't wasn't quite as
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  successful as Samuel L's but I think iide with Matt on this one Luke I think
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  I I I bought into it maybe I just want maybe it was just me but yeah just I was
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  looking at and you could I you could really tell like it was not real well
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  speaking of which we we can get into specifics of what we liked or didn't
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  like about it but for the first 45
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  minutes possibly to first hour I thought I might have been watching an episode of
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  Star Trek and not a feature film like the starters like the story and it
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  sounded like we were just getting kind of dropped right in the middle of some
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  kind of high sci-fi story line uh
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  involving really Camp looking aliens
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  wearing masks like if you can CGI Samuel L Jackson's face young could we CGI some
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  of the details on a on an alien face as well so that it doesn't just look like a
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  a man whose human lips are trying to move a mask and I preferred thatb over
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  it mate because I can hear them trying to it just sounded like everyone was
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  talking from behind a mask it was just such a bizarre choice I don't know that
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  was fine to me I didn't even noce start I I didn't notice say either I was in
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  fact the first I was so happy at the beginning of it like cuz a the the
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  [ __ ] the soundtrack is great I don't know I I haven't even looked yet who did
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  the soundtrack it's [ __ ] tops man like as in the the score is great
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  because the score is different depend like like the style is completely
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  different depending on what mode the movie is in cuz there's like sci-fi mode
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  and then there's you know '90s mode yeah I mean still sci-fi but what I mean and
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  then all the music they picked was pretty good too with one exception which
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  I with one exception that was a little too on the nose but uh is exactly my
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  wording to Jenna little on the nose but uh I think a lot of it was a little too
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  on the nose actually that the like when she land in
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  1990s Earth uh there's there's some great like cultur references with
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  dramatic irony you know yeah and I think the first 10 were really funny and then
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  the next 10 were pretty funny and then the next 100 I could have
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  probably done without that's one thing I sort of found with the the humor in this
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  I don't know it felt a bit forced yeah very forced I mean now don't get me
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  wrong like some of it was genuinely funny and there were times that I
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  laughed out loud but they were definitely trying their hardest to make
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  a comedy well well one complaint that I I think I agree with that I've heard cuz
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  me there's [ __ ] some sort of war going on about this movie online people
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  can't just take a watch a movie and [ __ ] just accept that it's a movie
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  now it's got to be some big statement like okay yeah it's a movie and it's got
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  a girl in it and they do play up the fact that she's a girl like okay [ __ ]
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  whatever like yeah don't who gives a [ __ ] uh but apparently that's that's a
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  problem for people of course it is well Iron Man has the word man in the title
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  Spiderman also Man U the one complaint that I was like oh yeah fair is that
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  she's more fun as a character at the start of the film and then by the end of
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  it she kind of just Peter's out into she's just doing stuff
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  yeah I I agree with that but I I I feel she was that from the start too I think
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  she falls into that category of when the the hero of the movie is the least
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  interesting character in the movie uh because Samuel L Jackson was you know he
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  was great Ben Mendelson is a scene stealer [ __ ] awesome man Ben Mendon
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  is in everything now I know and I can't believe they let him do his own accent
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  like he's doing his real like that first time you saw him where this [ __ ]
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  alien just leans in and in Ben melson's [ __ ] recreational heroin user voice
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  just goes you tell me your secrets and I'll tell you mine I was like [ __ ]
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  this is so good but I I find she falls into that category of describe her
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  character oh you can't you could say what she does but you can't really say
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  who who she is yeah know what she's about I don't know she's kind of like
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  she's got no memory and all that jazz too so I I'm sure people are going to
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  argue no no no okay I thought that was handled I didn't like the way that was
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  handled either I think if if you're going to if you're going to make that a
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  mystery then you gave us way too much information about her up front and if if
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  you're going to make it a Like An Origin story then you didn't give enough
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  information because if if you were really telling that story properly and
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  she had no memory who did she think she was cuz that's interesting and like okay
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  she thought she was one of them she thought she was a freedom fighter and
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  all of this okay that's great except that you've already told me she's not
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  one that she's from another place that place is Earth and that she's lost her
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  memory okay what so what have I got left to discover zero it was just a really
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  Choice the amount of I first 10 minutes of the movie no no I know I know cuz I
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  was going to say the plot of this in general I mean it's not going to
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  surprise anybody it ties in really well with the rest of the Marvel Universe and
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  it's kind of like the conceit of the film if you if you've been paying
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  attention is fairly obvious because we know what happens in Guardians of the
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  Galaxy and who these characters are so like I I don't want to say any spoilers
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  or anything like that but there wasn't weren't a whole lot of surprises for me
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  you know as we went along I do have just one question though why is it that they
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  haven't um Nick Fury hasn't tried to bring her in earlier well actually
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  someone asked um Kevin feed that and they he said how do you know he didn't
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  try good point MH so and then yeah yep got me there I
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  assume that every plot hole like that or seeming plot hole will either be
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  discussed in upcoming films or we'll we'll make itself known once once we
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  kind of given a well-rounded kind of knowledge of it of what happened in all
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  those moments that we haven't seen yet you know what sad too to a degree was
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  thinking about it afterwards is the way that this tied in like with guardians
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  and with with all of that stuff I was like I wonder this is what James gun was
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  working on like this generation of the movies like this iteration and I'm like
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  I wonder if if these kind of tians because I I my I have no complaints
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  about the way this kind of you know it's basically a prequel to to the other
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  movies and I thought they it worked really well in that in that way like you
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  get to see yeah where certain things kind of came from and uh and some of
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  those things I thought were handled well and some of them I didn't quite
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  understand or like but we could get into that when we talk about spoilers next
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  week all right no worries but yeah it just made me think oh man I wonder if
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  it's all going to go to [ __ ] even if now that they've gotten rid of James
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  like yeah but who knows they they seem they were doing they were doing a okay
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  job before him as well I guess so yeah they weren't they weren't running out of
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  money or anything before James gun came along well it's not money that I'm
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  worried about DC's got money too but they don't seem to be doing as good a
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  job of you know maintaining a cohesive [ __ ] idea of what the [ __ ] going on
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  in their films well that brings it on to
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  Will Smith isn't going to come back as was a Deadshot yeah can't say I'm too
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  disappointed about that I don't know I didn't think he was that
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  bad Will Smith exactly like I really think they need uh to Ryan Johnson this
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  movie Kill the past yeah oh now we're in suppor of Ryan Johnson yeah yeah well I
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  think they are because it's not Suicide Squad 2 suicide squ one is not a beloved
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  film from 50 years ago but he Academy award-winning film
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  unlike Star Wars yeah that's that's true so has has he actually signed up or as
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  he just yeah no this is this is legit as far as I know okay [ __ ] Idris Elba is
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  replacing Will Smith and that is uh that's an upgrade as far as I'm
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  concerned I like Will Smith but Will Smith is Will Smith and idrisa is he was
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  one of the better people in that movie I I I know where you're coming from and I
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  agree but I feel like he just it's just Will Smith doing Will Smith it's like if
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  you put Tom Cruz in a superhero movie it's just [ __ ] oh look there's Tom
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  Cruz like yeah yeah but he wouldn't be good in it though Tom Cruz would be Tom
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  Cruz is great com Cruz that's not his name his name is Tom Cruz I don't know
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  what I don't know what this love of Tom Cruz is I don't get it Tom Cruz is great
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  Tom Cruz or of everyone's love of Tom Cruz that you don't care everyone's just
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  cuz you Luke I've met Tom Cruz [ __ ] whatever yeah oh he's snuck into my room
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  and told me not to tell anyone yeah it was a
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  secret yeah but you don't like you don't like Tom Cruz
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  no all right I mean look not going to stand here and defend Tom Cruz because I
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  mean Tom Cruz is as you say just Tom Cruz in every movie but I think Tom Cruz
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  is great so in every movie that he's Tom Cruz I'm buying that's why I think I
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  think he's the same as Will Smith in the Will Smith is also great but he he's
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  also Will Smith like you put and Cruz early movies I enjoyed and then
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  I don't know he gets get to a stage where I just he he needs to realize that
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  he's getting older yeah and accept that instead of still trying to be young and
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  20 old seen Fallout no I haven't seen any of them it's a good movie man he's
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  still got it I mean he's also insane but you know yeah yeah but you can't hold
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  that against him no look Will Smith's been in the news this week uh for other
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  stuff other than just being replaced in Suicide Squad and we don't have to go
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  too much into this but I don't understand this or maybe I do but it
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  just really blew my mind um yeah took me
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  by surprise Will Smith has been cast uh in a movie uh which is what is what
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  happens um and he's been cast as Serena Williams father in the Serena Williams
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  biopic right M and um people all over the internet are Furious because that's
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  what they do um because they're saying that uh this is
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  colorist uh which is like racism but
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  colorism is when you cast a black actor
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  who's just not quite black enough yeah the character is the
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  character the the guy the their par their dad is uh is much darker than Will
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  Smith I guess is I'm trying trying to so [ __ ] careful I don't want to say anything
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  accidentally you know offensive but I just this really strange I don't really
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  know okay see the first thing that popped into my head is I think he's too
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  young look no no he's playing him in the past he's playing him I mean that's fair
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  he's he's playing the old man when the old man was young right I don't know
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  well I'm telling you he is okay then he might not be too young but that's the
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  first thing popped into head when you saw this photo of them side by side yeah
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  I mean look they're not wrong they are different looking yeah but it's not the
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  man it's an actor I mean Tom Cruz could play that
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  role I would love to see Tom Cruz Williams father no but seriously I mean
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  this this blows my mind because obviously you would need to cast an
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  African-American actor to play an African-American character that's just
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  not even Up For Debate but the fact that you need to cast people of the same they
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  got to look exactly the same yeah they got to look exactly like him uh that's
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  uh that's a new one to me fine you know it's I don't have a you know do what do
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  what you need to do that's fine if if people are upset by that I guess fair
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  enough that I I think that's a little extreme but whatever I don't necessarily
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  think it's extreme it just was something I had never ever considered and if that
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  is offensive then sure maybe we should
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  be looking at colorism but uh I tell you day before yesterday I had never heard
• 25:35
  of colorism yeah at all no I'll this is
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  the first time I've heard of it now Luke you're famous for
• 25:45
  condoning uh certain types of racism that others might find uh appalling uh
• 25:52
  that's one way of saying it but yeah is that you that's Dan's preferred way of
• 25:57
  saying it you down on the side of blackace right
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  and you've gone too far he's just not going to talk
• 26:11
  now so I want to I want to know what you think about this and I I don't want some
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  [ __ ] bitting answer I want to know if you think this
• 26:22
  is a legitimate gripe or no this is
• 26:27
  people being ridiculous okay interesting okay let me float something to you then
• 26:32
  and I'm not trying to be provocative I legitimately want to know you're because
• 26:36
  this was the first thing that popped into my head too right mhm what if they
• 26:40
  just darkened him up a
• 26:44
  bit um will admit I thought about that as well yeah they have put him in they
• 26:50
  put go outside and get a bit of sun Smith's been doing blue face recently
• 26:53
  gammer and contrast on the camera darken the footage just just don't put as much
• 27:00
  light on him just underexpose the whole film if they did that if they didn't do
• 27:05
  it I really do not see what the problem is I just but I but I guess that's part
• 27:10
  and parcel right we don't see what the problem is because we are not on this
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  side of the picnic I'm saying I find this weird and it seems extreme to me
• 27:19
  but then you know [ __ ] I'm not I'm more than happy to to take advice from people
• 27:24
  who know more about this or or have more experience with these kind of things
• 27:29
  happy to be told yeah doesn't affect me in the slightest so whatever I I think
• 27:35
  that's what it comes down to yeah it's like we certainly shouldn't have an
• 27:40
  opinion either way because nothing to do with us it yeah is interesting though
• 27:46
  and definitely surprised me I was like oh I didn't realize that was a thing
• 27:50
  that's fair enough seeing as we've already opened up this can of worms and
• 27:55
  we're talking about something that's potentially controversial
• 27:59
  uh I watched a documentary two-part documentary over this weekend called
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  leaving Neverland which is of course the oh that out Michael Jackson expose it is
• 28:09
  it's out worldwide this weekend um I didn't watch it yet but I read some
• 28:14
  stuff about it that was interesting okay well I I'd like to hear what you read
• 28:18
  and and what your thoughts about it on it was before I say anything about the film
• 28:23
  itself I just want to say that after I had watched it I listened back to last
• 28:29
  week's episode of the podcast and I actually felt embarrassed about a few of
• 28:33
  the things that I said and uh yeah I think I think I was quite naive about
• 28:39
  this subject I mean we've made fun for the last [ __ ] 20 years of Michael
• 28:43
  Jackson oh he mests kids without actually really thinking about what that
• 28:48
  means and like when you watch this documentary it puts a human face to that
• 28:54
  and like I'll be the first to admit like I probably shouldn't have needed a
• 28:58
  documentary to make me not make jokes about a child molester but like when you
• 29:03
  have graphic descriptions by these guys not just of the sex acts that were
• 29:08
  committed but that is part of the documentary but of the years of grooming
• 29:14
  not only of the kids but of the families of the kids and the community and and
• 29:21
  years of covering up and lies and manipulation by somebody who is very
• 29:27
  powerful and and and very persuasive um to cover up what what what is an
• 29:32
  epidemic of of Serial committing of crimes it it it
• 29:39
  really this documentary if you if anyone's on the fence about it you if
• 29:42
  you watch this documentary and you still think his music was so good it doesn't
• 29:46
  matter what he does in his private life then uh you need to take a introspective
• 29:50
  look at your life well I think it's that people did thought that it didn't matter
• 29:54
  what he did life it's the fact that it was never Pro back
• 29:59
  then that's the thing it what what proof
• 30:03
  can any rape case have I haven't watched it yet but I have I did this week
• 30:09
  someone linked to uh it was it was started as tweets and people started
• 30:13
  posting about it and there's some information just regarding there's two
• 30:18
  two people as far as I'm aware involved in in this documentary it's two two men
• 30:23
  who are saying who telling the story of of what happened and in particular one
• 30:28
  of them and I don't know the names cuz I haven't seen the show and I was only it
• 30:32
  just caught my interest because this guy uh I believe the main guy is is there a
• 30:38
  main guy in the documentary no not really it really does bounce between the
• 30:42
  two all right well one of them was for a very long time a staunch supporter of
• 30:48
  Michael Jackson loved Michael Jackson absolutely both were H and it was only
• 30:54
  recently and when he had already he sold off all of his Michael Jackson
• 30:59
  merchandise still still a you know a proud you know supporter of Michael
• 31:05
  Jackson sold off all his merchandise uh couldn't get a job um as
• 31:10
  a as a you know an ex friend of Michael Jackson had no money now he's done this
• 31:17
  and okay the you you're you're right on on a few points there and you're wrong
• 31:22
  on a few points there that's fair he sell he didn't sell the memorabilia he
• 31:26
  had a lot of Michael Jackson memorabilia he didn't sell it he burnt it right as
• 31:30
  part of his like therapy and coping with it and the thing is all of these guys
• 31:35
  were staunch supporters of Michael Jackson They testified at two of his
• 31:39
  trials to say that no it never happened to him mhm if you and if you and if you want to
• 31:45
  know why the the movie does a very very good job of explaining why someone who
• 31:51
  was manipulated in such a way from an early age would even as an adult would
• 31:58
  would support the person that was doing this to them these people don't talk
• 32:01
  about Michael Jackson like he was a sexual predator they loved him and they
• 32:06
  were in relationships real relationships with him they just happened to be kids
• 32:10
  it's fascinating how normal and I'm doing air quotes the
• 32:17
  relationships were no no Michael Jackson would date kids he would have one at a
• 32:21
  time he would date them for a while and then he would break up with them and he
• 32:24
  would date another kid like because they got too old
• 32:28
  that's part of it but also because just like in life you just you meet someone
• 32:32
  else and and he just you know they were the flavor of the month like it it's
• 32:36
  it's very normal in every way except for the fact that he they were children and
• 32:41
  he had to lie and manipulate in order to even have a situation where he could do
• 32:46
  these things I just find it odd that that like stuff like what you're saying
• 32:50
  why hasn't anyone said anything about those specifics before that's all and
• 32:54
  like I said look I well people have don't forget people have been saying this all
• 32:59
  along I thought it was vager than that before but I don't
• 33:04
  have out in the '90s yeah yeah but kids came out in the '90s if you remember
• 33:10
  back and they were like no man he did this this and this okay like like and
• 33:16
  then in 2003 it happened again another kid was like yeah this guy [ __ ] me but
• 33:21
  both times Michael could produce enough character witnesses to say that no no no
• 33:27
  man he didn't do and these people are probably just out there for the money
• 33:29
  and whatever but like people have been saying this for years and people were
• 33:33
  always this specific okay we just all ignored it well I just didn't hear about
• 33:39
  it I guess yeah like I I heard the kind of sanitized version of it which like
• 33:44
  honestly my opinion of it for for most of my life has been H he was just kind
• 33:49
  of sad story of a kid exploited by his dad and he never really turned into an
• 33:55
  adult and so he preferred to hang out with kids and maybe he inapoi with them
• 33:59
  but I never actually I guess I never thought it went that far but yeah I was
• 34:05
  exactly the same as you that's the thing like it it's that's exactly what I
• 34:10
  thought too and I'm like he probably didn't even know that he was Crossing
• 34:13
  Lines because he's got that kind of childlike brain but [ __ ] yeah
• 34:18
  exactly right and I think I was just really naive in having that if it's as
• 34:22
  like nefarious as as described then yeah I don't think that could be the case cuz
• 34:27
  you'd have to lie and cover it up like that you'd have to be aware that there's
• 34:31
  a problem yeah yes exactly well I guess I need to watch this documentary I think
• 34:36
  you should actually feel like being depressed it's eye opening and and and I
• 34:40
  was actually like I'm dead set surprised at how it affected me H yeah did you
• 34:47
  watch what's that we I know you did because we we talked about it on
• 34:50
  messenger we didn't talk about here what's that other one abducted in plain
• 34:52
  sight did you watch that oh no I never saw it watched it oh Jesus Christ that's
• 34:58
  [ __ ] terrifying really weird yeah just just the just this family I'm just
• 35:05
  like oh and not the not blaming the
• 35:08
  family but just like it's just such a it's a lot it's a lot happens in this
• 35:15
  documentary and I'm it just blows my mind that this is this the case I would
• 35:18
  have heard of outside this documentary I don't know I'd never heard of it it was
• 35:23
  it's the it's about it's a pedophile who befriends a family so that he can get
• 35:28
  close to the door is the short version of it apparently they have no idea and
• 35:32
  it's like what do you mean you have no idea he was [ __ ] sleeping in a room
• 35:35
  like five nights a week and and and you should watch this Michael Jackson thing
• 35:40
  I was like [ __ ] and cuz the guy he said that he's got he he's got having therapy
• 35:44
  for for cuz he was in trouble for being inappropriate with kids before and part
• 35:49
  he told them oh part of my therapy is that I'm supposed to be around them so
• 35:52
  can I sleep in a room and they're like yeah we want to help what the [ __ ] it's
• 35:58
  that's the thing right no no no but that's the thing and that's the thing I
• 36:01
  learned from this documentary as well the way that they do it is that they
• 36:05
  create this Persona of trust with the family to the point where the family
• 36:10
  would be like no man there's no way he's crossing any lines you like you should
• 36:16
  watch it just because I I think it's going to blow your mind yeah yeah I
• 36:20
  think it will blow literally blow your mind the the the stuff that happens and
• 36:23
  then and they're like still hanging out with this guy yeah
• 36:30
  yeah pretty disturbing welcome to multiple nasm a comedy
• 36:35
  podcast podcast abducted in PL sight abducted in plain sight yeah yeah I mean
• 36:41
  it's it's [ __ ] interesting just disturbing as well trigger warning there
• 36:45
  it is put my list podcast multip nasm.com mgas on Twitter mpas on
• 36:50
  Facebook get in touch let us know what you like and don't like about the show
• 36:55
  probably don't like all this uh ped talk should we talk about something more
• 36:59
  cheerful do we have anything more cheerful yes please oh I mean this is
• 37:05
  not cheerful but it is more on brand okay uh we've got some geek of the week
• 37:10
  submissions oh okay so we're going from rape to death yeah yeah but it's it's it's a
• 37:17
  comedy uh comedy reporting of deaths so okay I'm I'm already approving one of
• 37:23
  them oh you're a prodigy fan are you no
• 37:29
  no no I'm actually going Luke Perry yeah so to start to start low and and and
• 37:34
  then and then work our way up Keith lint passed away this week um he I'm looking
• 37:39
  at photos he's lived a hard life yeah and did did he die of a drug overdose or
• 37:44
  did the drugs in the '90s finally just kill him I think he committed suicide
• 37:48
  actually oh I see I think okay yeah okay sure I mean I didn't know that but yeah
• 37:55
  no this was a shock I didn't know the Prodigy was still a
• 38:03
  band yeah they are they were still touring yeah yeah they have they putting
• 38:09
  some stuff out they the last time I heard about them you know releasing
• 38:13
  stuff was with Scott Pilgrim they had a song that was in the Scott Pilgrim
• 38:17
  trailer Invaders must die and I don't know if they' I don't know what they've
• 38:22
  released Inc I knew they were still around man they were highly highly infuential
• 38:28
  so I mean doesn't surprise me I guess that they'd still be gone around
• 38:33
  performing yeah yeah I've got a shock I up so then yeah so got a shock that he
• 38:38
  died as well but double shock yep but the one you the one who really stole
• 38:44
  your heart this week was Luke Perry was it Luke Perry yep I'm going to give him
• 38:47
  geek a week I uh I must admit I was kind
• 38:52
  of bummed H when I heard he made a come he made a comeback recently with with
• 38:57
  Riverdale he sure did you know I mean and he's not just Dylan from 902 and0
• 39:01
  you know he was in the original Buffy the Vampire slay exactly yeah also uh
• 39:07
  Fifth Element oh yeah yeah right at the start and little flashback that still
• 39:12
  confuses me his role in Fifth Element cuz he was sort of becoming a big star
• 39:18
  and then he he's in Fifth Element for like 5 minutes and it's what's that
• 39:22
  movie what's the movie where Kurt Russell dies in the first 10 minutes oh
• 39:28
  executive decision yes I don't know why I remember that it's a Steig movie yeah
• 39:34
  yeah it is Steven cigar and but it's like Steven Seagal and Kurt Russell like
• 39:39
  build together and he spoilers he dies 10 minutes yeah have you seen that video
• 39:46
  that recent video of Steven Seagal doing an Aikido demo oh Christ no it's the
• 39:51
  [ __ ] saddest thing I've ever seen he's like he's he's a big now he's a big
• 39:55
  fellow he's put on a lot of weight and you can tell it's just him waving
• 40:00
  his arms around like while these guys just do flips and stuff like it's
• 40:05
  clearly fake and he's he's just like slapping at him and then they're like
• 40:10
  doing like big back flips and [ __ ] no way this is it some demo thing yeah it's
• 40:15
  embarrassing look it up I don't want
• 40:20
  to seems weird dude he he needs to be in prison I think we've talked about him
• 40:26
  before his you know he kept his be careful he had his Harum of um of
• 40:32
  Japanese underage women allegedly allegedly and then they had to flee the
• 40:38
  country that's that was my understanding allegedly I don't want to get W I don't
• 40:44
  want to get flipped over no you definitely don't you definitely don't I
• 40:48
  do Wonder though those guys whose whole career is based around creating a
• 40:53
  Persona of being a tough guy like how do you how do you maintain that
• 40:59
  because like I mean is it easy enough to just say no dude I'm an actor
• 41:04
  like I like I I look at Chuck Norris right Chuck Norris just looks like a guy
• 41:10
  where he's not like that's never quite understood the Chuck Norris craze like
• 41:16
  if he just showed up at the at the [ __ ] W he looked like my dad beard
• 41:21
  yeah exactly he's just a guy like good my name's Chuck like [ __ ]
• 41:27
  Bruce Lee yeah he won but only just so I think he uh he he got kind of mastered
• 41:34
  it cuz now he can just like he just looks like a he like someone's Dad yeah
• 41:40
  but then he's also an action movie and he was in uh Expendables to looks just
• 41:45
  looks the same I have not seen any Expendables should I watch
• 41:51
  them yeah two I thought they are what they are like two
• 41:56
  is pretty good just because there's a scene where I've talked about this on
• 41:59
  the podcast before there's a scene where Anie and Bruce Willis are like in in a
• 42:06
  shootout Well everybody's in the shootout but Anie and Bruce Willis are
• 42:09
  together and then um Annie's like we need to get a car and then Bruce comes
• 42:15
  back with like a smart car and then an's like what the [ __ ] like rips the door
• 42:20
  off the Smart car and he's got like a [ __ ] chain gun and he's s he's in
• 42:24
  sitting in the passenger seat of this smart car with like a chain gun and
• 42:27
  Bruce Willis is driving it through a airport Lobby it's pretty good it's
• 42:31
  pretty good from that point of view from that point of view it's pretty good okay
• 42:36
  maybe I should give it a go and then you got Stallone and [ __ ] Dolph lungren
• 42:42
  and uh I think jet Le's in it and um
• 42:46
  Chuck Norris and oh yeah chck is in there
• 42:51
  um [ __ ] what's his name uh Jason Statham Jason Statham's Cruz he's in there Terry
• 42:58
  Cruz that's who I'm thinking of Terry Cruz okay yeah M they're all in there
• 43:03
  yeah all right yeah I mean I love action movies I don't know why I necessarily
• 43:07
  didn't watch this other than it looked a bit [ __ ] it is a bit [ __ ] but but it's
• 43:13
  also good okay well they've wrapped
• 43:16
  filming the new uh the new Rambo movie too
• 43:22
  yeah I mean the last one was fine the last one was not the worst though
• 43:27
  no but it was not I mean it I didn't we didn't need it let's be honest I mean we
• 43:33
  didn't need the second one be honest three yeah exactly they were really
• 43:37
  pushing it to come up with a sequel to it they send him back to Vietnam I mean
• 43:41
  what the actual [ __ ] do you know two was written by James
• 43:45
  Cameron I don't know if we talked about this when we talked about Rambo I don't
• 43:49
  think we did James C right wrote Rambo 2
• 43:54
  [ __ ] another disaster he's responsible for we should have known
• 43:57
  early on yeah we should have known but uh Luke Perry K it
• 44:03
  [Music] awake one thing that I saw this week
• 44:08
  that I I had a little chuckle at the MIT technology review was published uh this
• 44:14
  month I don't know whe it comes out every month or it's by annual or
• 44:18
  whatever but there was an article in it about how all hipsters look alike and
• 44:22
  they used a stock photo of a hipster and
• 44:26
  put on the cover I saw this picture Luke yeah yeah well actually the guy who was
• 44:32
  in the picture um saw it and was Furious that they used his picture to to
• 44:36
  demonstrate that all hipsters look alike got in contact with the magazine and
• 44:40
  said how dare you use my picture and they said sir this isn't you and I think that's
• 44:46
  excellent cuz he was even trying to say cuz it he actually he was a model who
• 44:51
  sold so they purchased a photo from Getty Images yes and in the actual thing
• 44:56
  it actually said like they the model said you can't use my character for like
• 45:00
  anything that's defamatory or anything like that so he's claiming that being a
• 45:04
  hipster would be theator and then yeah it wasn't him it wasn't him so the one
• 45:10
  at the bottom in this article is the one from the the one at the top is the guy and
• 45:15
  the other one is the the hipster from the the article right is that I don't
• 45:20
  think he's in it at all is he look I mean they're both men with beards and
• 45:24
  checkered shirts but I mean that could describe you man
• 45:27
  I don't have any Checker shirts I don't think that's [ __ ]
• 45:30
  [ __ ] I don't maybe you have a couple I just clicked through I don't own any
• 45:34
  Checker shirts I just clicked through the original article and yeah that's
• 45:37
  that's the case it's the the one down the bottom is the Getty Images one
• 45:40
  that's embedded halfway down is is the one that they used and then I guess the
• 45:44
  guy at the top must be uh the the Furious man although I don't know why he
• 45:48
  would agree to be uh photographed for this so maybe that's just
• 45:52
  another yeah I find it hard to believe that he would agree to come out and cuz
• 45:57
  also this photo looks nothing like him well I think the nose is similar so
• 46:01
  maybe it's the same guy just with a longer beard how do you not know what
• 46:05
  you look like that's a very good question I feel like I not just what you
• 46:09
  look like how do you not know whether something's a photo you remember posing
• 46:14
  for or not exactly well maybe he's he's a model he maybe has a lot of photos
• 46:20
  yeah no I guess you're right yeah but still if I look at a photo and it looks
• 46:26
  someone's dressed a bit like me I know it's not me yeah I don't know Luke if I if I saw
• 46:32
  a if I saw a tattooed bearded redhead with green hair and wearing a kilt and
• 46:37
  it wasn't you like my mind to be [ __ ] blown yeah that doesn't happen too of
• 46:42
  true we've got a little bit of followup um which I guess we should we
• 46:48
  should cover yeah I guess so I mean we do a podcast so normally we do the
• 46:52
  follow-up at the start but obviously we got distracted by uh by Disney um m it's
• 46:57
  easy to do well they're both True Crime related yeah supp so so last week when
• 47:02
  we we reported on Momo this [ __ ]
• 47:05
  hideous uh F kind of grotesque face that was evidently telling kids to kill
• 47:12
  themselves but it actually wasn't it was just something that was getting shared
• 47:15
  on social media and became a bit of a uh urban legend but uh as it turns out
• 47:20
  which we reported on last week's show it's actually a sculpture by a by a Japanese
• 47:25
  artist um a man by the name of uh kiso
• 47:30
  ISO hey nice and he's [ __ ] horrified that this [ __ ] has happened so you know
• 47:36
  he's horrified by his own statue yeah well he's come out and just said look
• 47:40
  like I can't help but feel responsible for all his sad children
• 47:46
  um and uh he just wants everyone to know he has destroyed the statue it no longer
• 47:53
  exists in fact he says this quote it doesn't exist anymore it was never meant
• 47:57
  to last it was rotten and I threw it away the children can be rest assured
• 48:03
  Momo is dead and the curse is gone so he does admit there was a
• 48:08
  curse yeah also he says he threw it away like wait a minute what do you mean I
• 48:13
  put it in the trash outside I put I threw it in the bin yeah yeah I mean I
• 48:18
  left it I left it on a satanic altar that I that I found it does say the
• 48:22
  model made out of rubber and oils was thrown away last year with only the eyes
• 48:27
  left to be reused in a future project what if the eyes are the C you mean oh
• 48:31
  my God don't keep the eyes that's the bit that's the that's the where the soul
• 48:35
  lives in the eyes that's what that's the old saying we all know that eyes are the
• 48:39
  gateway to the soul come on mate what are you doing can I I mean this guy also
• 48:45
  last year sounds like he's just trying to cash in on this like he's he's
• 48:49
  throwing away his statue because no one liked it and then and he's like oh don't
• 48:53
  worry kids I just I destroyed it for you yeah yeah when oh at some
• 48:59
  point after couple of years ago after I tried to sell it no one wanted it yeah
• 49:03
  when when the gallery so they wouldn't distribute it anymore but come on if
• 49:07
  you're if you're the kind of guy who makes creepy statues you've got to know
• 49:13
  that uh you know you can't just go like I'm keeping those [ __ ] eyes cuz
• 49:18
  that's how that's how [ __ ] demonic possession happens we all know it
• 49:22
  exactly well the statue uh it was known as mother bird right and it is [ __ ]
• 49:27
  creepy as hell if you haven't looked it up just Google momo you'll see it but he
• 49:32
  based it off this ghost story Japanese ghost story in which a woman dies giving
• 49:37
  birth and it ends up haunting the area
• 49:41
  as a bird monster so that's what I mean that's [ __ ] terrifying
• 49:47
  anyway I mean the statue Japanese know how to [ __ ] frighten you that's for
• 49:52
  sure oh yeah absolutely I me yeah the first time I saw uh The
• 49:57
  Grudge yeah The Grudge scared the [ __ ]
• 50:00
  out of me just so like unnerving yeah
• 50:05
  visceral they good at making things feel real [ __ ] weird like familiar but
• 50:10
  weird it's like cve Barker used to say like big monsters aren't scary something
• 50:13
  that looks sort of normal but abnormal is scary so true cuz it doesn't doesn't
• 50:20
  quite look right and it it's unsettling yeah speaking of unsettling
• 50:26
  uh last week uh I mentioned that I started watching param oh yeah on
• 50:31
  Netflix uh well I finished it and uh it was [ __ ] great so thanks for turning
• 50:37
  me on to that Matthew you're welcome you're welcome it's a good show very
• 50:42
  very good I must admit I had to really really sit down and think about
• 50:48
  kind of what had happened in the series leading up to the end once once the end
• 50:53
  had occurred sure just to wrap your head and yeah yeah yeah like once uh once the
• 51:00
  mystery had been solved I was like wait what did anything have to do with
• 51:05
  oh you know kind of the the more I thought about it the more I uh yeah
• 51:10
  realized how how interconnected everything was uh really really strong
• 51:15
  strong series it agreed Luke check it out or maybe don't because oh no it's in
• 51:21
  English oh yeah did you have the same problem we did where uh it's dubbed
• 51:26
  right so the the German is in English but then in parts of it they speak
• 51:29
  French for extended periods of time and there's no subtitles yeah there's one
• 51:32
  character who who speaks French a lot uh no I ended up going with the subtitles
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  were speaking French some of the time cuz I was just always reading English so
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  yeah I gotta it's just yeah there's a couple of moments where it's just like
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  oh God and if it's only short I'm like h i I get the gist but then if it if it's
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  a half you know if it's 10minute scene I got to go back and put yeah you're
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  missing plot points I'll say this though the the music was amazing mhm yeah it
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  reminded me of Warren Ellis uh from the bad seeds with just
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  sound yeah loved it overall [ __ ] top
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  show and uh and and I guess I mean be
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  warned it's got uh it's got some content that I don't think you would get from an
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  American TV show definitely mate they [ __ ] go there yeah the Germans do not
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  hold back so as we learned the other piece of followup is uh and I don't know
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  if we mentioned that uh he was getting potentially getting a retral Adan Sayed
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  from Cal I think we did talk about this didn't we yeah we have he was coming up
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  they they they granted him a new trial uh well they've they taken it away from
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  him again a judge has found that uh basically they don't feel that the
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  evidence that has been submitted the New Evidence is enough to convince a jury to
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  change their mind they think the jury yeah they reckon they'll just come to the same
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  conclusions so he's uh I mean that certainly seems like something that
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  shouldn't be up to the judge you know I feel like you should be go to a Jud a
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  panel of Judges sure but but even so I mean the point is the jewelry
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  jewelry a jewry is that they're supposed to listen to the evidence and make up
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  their mind it's not up to the judge to go oh they probably say he was guilty so
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  don't don't even bother Shing him I think it's different cuz I mean the the
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  jury already did say he was guilty and now he had been tried and he yeah he had
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  been and but he they were trying to say his his Council was useless and whatnot
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  useless but he's uh clearly guilty so how much longer does he have to spend in
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  jail oh I don't know uh did he get life
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  for I mean's murder right he he's he's done for so but life's only 25 years
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  term it's also like he is at the stage where he could probably get out if he
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  sort of said he did it oh no no he can't actually there was a there was something
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  that's that's uh that's what uh West Memphis 3 did and that's what um someone
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  some deaths and I mean this this is the most depressing podcast we've ever done
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  um we might as well just go full [ __ ] tilt Boogie to the end here um Luke uh
• 57:32
  this seems like the kind of game that you would have liked a few years ago but
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  possibly not anymore now that were grown-ups um I would never have played
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  this game Luke don't know what you're referring to Luke I remember you telling
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  me once what your dream game would have been it was not this wait that was
• 57:51
  really not this I don't understand this what this game is and I actually
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  question and and someone else I think on Twitter questioned this the other day
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  we're talking about rape day mhm yes yeah is someone's trying to be
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  provocative did this game ever actually exist yes and it's not out yet but it's
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  meant to be coming out he still says he's going to release it soon so it's
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  basically you're set in a zombie apocalypse you're a serial killer and
• 58:20
  rapist who rapes women mhm yeah
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  basically a visual no novel they're going for a whole Choose Your Own
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  Adventure thing yeah the thing is it's a zombie game but you don't fight zombies
• 58:34
  you're basically you play as a sicko who uses the fact that there's a zombie
• 58:39
  apocalypse on to try to rape as many women as possible this is [ __ ]
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  bizarre I don't understand why someone would make this game I don't understand
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  I don't understand is that people are up in arms that Val have decided not to put
• 58:54
  this on the platform is that true because people are saying this is an infringement on the
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  freedom of speech and there not the most people are sort of upset with the
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  developer for making it but there is there are some people who are saying
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  yeah it's infringing on their freedom of speech and it should be allowed to go
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  out and sort of like freedom of speech means you can say things doesn't mean
• 59:17
  you can make money off it yeah vales within their to not let you on their
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  platform if they don't like what you're saying was giving it away for free he
• 59:27
  could probably try and claim freedom of speech but he's trying to make money off
• 59:31
  it if the government was was saying no you're not allowed to make that game
• 59:34
  that would be a freedom of speech violation if the if the government
• 59:37
  stepped in and said stop making that game that would that would be a
• 59:41
  violation of your I don't know if it even would be does freedom of
• 59:47
  speech does that transcend into I mean it depends on which country you are yeah
• 59:53
  that's true that's true you don't in Australia no assuming this is America
• 59:57
  where they do have constitutionally protected freedom of speech I mean that
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  means you can write a book with a subject that's really taboo but that
• 1:00:07
  doesn't mean that a publisher has to publish it because of your right to free
• 1:00:11
  speech so of course can still be made illegal to sell it doesn't stop you from
• 1:00:16
  giving it away yeah actually yeah that's a good point H yeah well this article
• 1:00:21
  says that the the game has uh usual survival mechanics but it's a visual
• 1:00:25
  novel so I think maybe that's just a mistake cuz no this game is going to
• 1:00:29
  this game is going to look terrible play horrible it's not going to be a good
• 1:00:32
  game it's just a stupid like rapy visual novel right but
• 1:00:37
  then people are one of those people are getting SS and they're going after the
• 1:00:41
  developer and sending him death death threats and all this I'm sort of like
• 1:00:45
  you're not really helping your cause there yeah I mean and let's let's not
• 1:00:49
  send anyone death threats but I mean also I mean this is this is a silly [ __ ] thing to
• 1:00:54
  do don't don't make games where you have to rape women like honestly just don't do it
• 1:01:00
  yeah sorry I wasn't saying I wasn't saying the visual novels are stupid I've
• 1:01:03
  worked on a few and I don't think they ask you but I think this one is no no
• 1:01:07
  yeah this one is yeah this one I think is one of those ones that's trying to be
• 1:01:11
  risky so it'll get people to buy it because it's risky but people won't buy
• 1:01:16
  it because they're think it's going to be a good game cuz it's no it's going to
• 1:01:19
  be a garbage game yeah oh maybe it'll be
• 1:01:24
  good I guess we'll find out when Luke plays it I won't be playing
• 1:01:30
  this I get you wink wink no achievements
• 1:01:35
  wink wonder if it's coming out of the Xbox almost certainly not oh I know
• 1:01:41
  people are mad that uh valve didn't condemn it as thoroughly as people wanted as
• 1:01:48
  well so yeah and in fact it took them uh it took them quite a while to decide
• 1:01:53
  whether what side they were going to come down on here yeah and they're kind
• 1:01:56
  of wishy-washy about why like uh they've decided last year they decided they were
• 1:02:02
  going to stop Banning stuff and just let unless it was illegal or
• 1:02:08
  trolling let people vote with their wallet yeah I I I think and then they
• 1:02:15
  had to step in here because yeah I I think Common Sense wins in this in this
• 1:02:20
  scenario cuz I'm a big advocate of freedom of speech too but uh at the same time
• 1:02:26
  uh yeah I don't want to play a [ __ ] game where you have to rap people well
• 1:02:29
  you don't have to play it Danny well exactly you don't have to play no it's
• 1:02:33
  on Steam I've got to play it yeah man I well what about that guy whose goal in
• 1:02:38
  life is to play every single steam game he would have to play it oh man what a
• 1:02:43
  disaster for him but yeah I I get I I do find it weird when people go like oh
• 1:02:48
  freedom of speech when their posts get deleted off Instagram and Facebook and
• 1:02:52
  went no you're allowed to say it they don't have to print what you're
• 1:02:57
  saying no obligation you can go on the street and yell at at people yep that's
• 1:03:03
  people get mad at um Twitter for Banning people say oh suppressing freedom of
• 1:03:07
  speech uh not right now I think if they determine that that Twitter is a human
• 1:03:12
  right uh you might get in trouble for that but up until that Twitter can do
• 1:03:16
  whatever the [ __ ] they want yeah they don't like you that's
• 1:03:19
  right you're that upset about it go make your own well they've tried that it
• 1:03:24
  doesn't work no s because people are complain well I guess tw Twitter is very
• 1:03:29
  left leaning so people complain that a lot of right-wing people get banned and
• 1:03:33
  what that well yeah they are deal with it yeah and yeah they're well within
• 1:03:38
  their rights of private their own company they they are and they will
• 1:03:43
  so this game the main character just looks like a [ __ ] [ __ ] look at him
• 1:03:50
  uh yeah I think is that an actual picture from the game I don't think I I
• 1:03:56
  don't know I I think the graphics would be too
• 1:04:01
  good did this guy do the graphics did the art himself or is he he uh hir a
• 1:04:07
  third party to do all the uh how the [ __ ] do you convince someone to do you
• 1:04:11
  yeah I was going to say m if he came to you and said I'm I'm doing a game I need
• 1:04:14
  some music and you're like yeah yeah I'm the man for the job
• 1:04:18
  mate a little more rapy sorry what just just needs to sound you know like a
• 1:04:24
  little more threatening and a and and and and and terrifying and and gross
• 1:04:29
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