Latest / Gospel Talks Podcast / #66 - What is Charlie Kirk's Legacy? (Part 3)
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- 0:00Welcome everybody to Gospel Talks podcast where we help Christians all over the world become more effective in relational evangelism and discipleship.
- 0:08My name is George Benoka and with me today is none other than Jeff Musgrave, the founder, author of the Exchange Bible Study.
- 0:15And we're very excited to be with you in this series where we're talking about Charlie Kirk and reviewing his life from our perspective, from an evangelistic perspective, a
- 0:23discipleship perspective, a biblical perspective.
- 0:25And we're excited to get into part three.
- 0:27Before we do that, we've got some really exciting news for you guys.
- 0:30We're attempting something new at the exchange that we haven't tried before and we're very excited about it.
- 0:36um And it seems like our community is very excited about it.
- 0:38And so we're hosting a webinar for the very first time on how to build authentic relationships with unbelievers.
- 0:45if you go to exchangemessage.org,
- 0:49And look there on the home page if you go to Eventbrite and look that event up how to uh build authentic relationships with unbelievers you can find it there as well and Check
- 1:01your email because we've been emailing our list of contacts go on social media You can find posts there about it and here on the podcast and so it's ten bucks So for the price
- 1:12of a pizza, you could come to this to our webinar at which the end of
- 1:17Jeff is going to be fielding questions with Q &A.
- 1:20And we're very excited.
- 1:21Jeff, you want to tell us a little bit about the content of this webinar and why people should attend?
- 1:27we're going to talk about what relational evangelism is, how to connect with people in a relational way so that we can get to the gospel in their lives.
- 1:37But it's going to be talking about how God is the one who's actually looking for people and finding them.
- 1:45Our job is just to be working with him.
- 1:48So we talking about what I love to call divine appointments, and the fact that
- 1:52God is setting those divine appointments.
- 1:54We just have to keep our eyes open for them.
- 1:56We'll be talking about how to have compelling conversations with people, how to connect with them relationally, and then how to take conversations deeper so that we're into those
- 2:06soul conversations that allow us to talk to people about their soul needs.
- 2:10You guys are not gonna wanna sit around and kind of wait to decide whether you're coming on November 11th.
- 2:16It's a Tuesday.
- 2:17We're gonna be doing it uh late afternoon and mountain standard time.
- 2:22And so if you're on the East Coast, it's gonna happen a little after dinner.
- 2:25If you're on the West Coast, it's gonna happen a little uh right before dinner.
- 2:30And we're really excited about it.
- 2:31Only a hundred slots and a lot of people have already signed up.
- 2:35So slots are running out, seats are running out.
- 2:37We even have an entire uh small group.
- 2:40there's a church that said our entire small group is going to attend this thing.
- 2:44And so we're very, very excited about that, excited about everything that the Lord is doing.
- 2:49um And so that is Tuesday, November 11th, and you could sign up, look for your emails, go on social media, go to our website, wherever you go.
- 2:59We've got something pointing you to this event.
- 3:03So.
- 3:04I understand it that you're actually throwing in three digital books for that $10 price.
- 3:11Is that correct?
- 3:12That's right, you're gonna get free, $30 worth of free e-books, um exchange materials.
- 3:19And so you're gonna get a bundle of books um and uh at no cost to you.
- 3:24We're gonna give you instructions on how to access all that.
- 3:27And the idea there is that, um you know, we wanna arm you guys to the teeth for what we think is happening in America right now and around the world.
- 3:35I think people are just more open.
- 3:37to gospel conversation and people are in more need of relationship, authentic relationship, and God is working.
- 3:47I saw stats on a news show, it blew me away, how much in 20 years, Bible sales are up, Christian music is being listened to, and um just church attendance.
- 4:01We're talking about, it's like in the last 20 years, Bible sales have
- 4:06doubled.
- 4:06And in the last 20 years, Christian music being listened to has like quadrupled.
- 4:13And so um it's really incredible to see what God is doing all around us.
- 4:18And so this is the time to get some training.
- 4:20This is the time to get good at conversations.
- 4:22Charlie was a master of conversation.
- 4:25We talked about that in the last episode on Gospel Talks podcast.
- 4:28And so in this uh episode, we're going to talk a little bit more about his legacy.
- 4:32But hey, I mean, there's
- 4:34You don't want to waste this life.
- 4:36You want to make it count for something.
- 4:37And the only way to do that is to impact eternity by sharing Jesus Christ with people.
- 4:42And so we're excited to bring this webinar to you and get access to it from anywhere in the country.
- 4:49without uh further ado,
- 4:51when you look at the life of Charlie Kirk and you look at his legacy, mean, what do you believe he left behind?
- 4:57think one of the words that really hits me is the word impact.
- 5:03It is just almost unthinkable.
- 5:06I went back and looked at the list of the speakers at his memorial service, and um just recognizing not, not just the important people, but the vast amount of people.
- 5:19And so I guess part of my favorite uh testimonies of
- 5:25the memorial service were the people I didn't know before.
- 5:28It was the people that had worked with Charlie on a daily basis, had met him on a campus, and then eventually started working with him and recognizing this was real life impact
- 5:40that Charlie was having.
- 5:42I think that Charlie purposely networked with people.
- 5:45uh He asked for introductions to people that he didn't know, and he was constantly
- 5:54looking for ways to expand his impact because number one, he genuinely believed in what he was doing.
- 6:02And number two, I really do believe that Charlie believed he was bringing Jesus into people's lives.
- 6:08and to me, this is not about self exaltation.
- 6:11This is about exalting the kingdom of Jesus Christ, helping people to recognize who he is introducing people to him.
- 6:21That's really what I want to be thinking in terms of when I think of impact.
- 6:26And I think it's really important for us to recognize that we are influencing people.
- 6:34We're either doing it good influence or negative or neutral.
- 6:41And I think that most of us are walking through life wasting opportunities to impact.
- 6:47And man, you did not see Charlie wasting opportunities to impact.
- 6:52I would agree.
- 6:53I I can't believe for a second that a guy like Charlie had the platform he did without having a why that was much bigger than him.
- 7:05He had a purpose that was huge in his eyes.
- 7:09I mean, he believed that what he was doing was not only impacting the country, but impacting people in their faith and their worldview.
- 7:18all sorts of things.
- 7:19And you saw this, you saw light bulbs.
- 7:20If you ever go and watch those reels where Charlie's interacting on university campuses, you saw light bulbs click like, oh, okay, I didn't realize that that argument was based on
- 7:30that, based on that, based on that.
- 7:32I could see how that's a problem.
- 7:34And that's a really big, big deal, I think, in terms of when we're working with people, that's when we're impacting eternity.
- 7:42That's when we have the opportunity to impact eternity.
- 7:45And don't you think Charlie saw himself as part of something much bigger than Charlie?
- 7:52I think that's really key in that he was impacting people not because he wanted Charlie's name out there, but because this life that was essential to people
- 8:08that was bigger than him.
- 8:09That's what he was a part of and he wanted them to be a part of that too.
- 8:14Right, right.
- 8:15And he built a movement of people.
- 8:19He built a company around that mission and brought all these young people in with him and said, this is why we have to do this.
- 8:28This is why this is so important.
- 8:30And so Charlie had connected the dots between his worldview and where his country was going.
- 8:37And they say that uh politics is downstream from culture.
- 8:42What's culture downstream from?
- 8:45Culture is downstream from the church.
- 8:47And so it's like, if anybody's to blame ultimately for the way the politics are in the country, it's the fact that our churches are derelict in their mission.
- 8:56um so Charlie had connected all that and said, all right, let's do something about it.
- 9:03And so you could argue whether he was doing something about it from a cultural standpoint or a political standpoint, probably more the arenas he was operating in.
- 9:10But um the church, I think, needs to take notes and say, we need to make sure we're doing our job,
- 9:16Yeah, well, one of the things I love about Charlie's political impact is that he recognized that it stemmed out of grew out of a relationship with God.
- 9:26And so he didn't take that as secondary, he he kind of took that as primary.
- 9:31And the politics flowed out of it.
- 9:35All morality is a reflection of God's character.
- 9:38And so when he's arguing for morality, he's he's actually arguing for
- 9:43both the existence of God and the impact of God on the world around us.
- 9:48Yeah, I would agree.
- 9:50uh the issues that he was tackling uh primarily were issues of that had a moral aspect to them.
- 9:59And so uh we don't have to feel like we can't talk about those because I mean, those are abortions, not primarily a political issue.
- 10:06It's a primarily a moral issue.
- 10:08The LGBTQ agenda is not primarily a political issue.
- 10:11It's a moral issue.
- 10:12And so, mean, Charlie was tackling those heads on.
- 10:14And hey, I mean, to all the guys that say
- 10:17Well, you know, he was more politics and he was confused Christianity with politics.
- 10:22I don't see a lot of other guys standing up taking the courage, you know, who have the courage to stand up and say, let's tackle this head on.
- 10:28Let's do something about it.
- 10:30I mean, I get kind of irritated with guys who, you know, complain that Charlie wasn't perfect, but at the same time it's like, um but he was doing something.
- 10:43So.
- 10:43I think that in the last 20, maybe even 50 years, there's been this pushback against heroes.
- 10:53And I don't know that I totally understand that, but it's almost like we have to humanize every single one of our human or heroes.
- 11:00And I understand that to some extent because we don't want to bring Charlie into the deity status.
- 11:10He was a human and he did make errors.
- 11:12Right.
- 11:14the impact of his life was his error.
- 11:17The impact of his life was the amazing things that he did.
- 11:20So let me just ask this question to the person who says, yeah, but Charlie was mostly about politics.
- 11:28What do you want people to say about you at your funeral?
- 11:32And when I when I listened to that memorial service, I began to realize know the impact that Charlie had on each one of those people that talk.
- 11:42was their relationship with Jesus Christ.
- 11:45And that's the thing that I think really sticks out to me.
- 11:51He definitely talked about even morality and politics, but deeper than that was a personal relationship with not just God, but Jesus Christ and him crucified and risen and coming
- 12:07again.
- 12:08mean, those are the testimonies you hear about Charlie.
- 12:12Right, and what Charlie was doing as a citizen uh was very biblical in terms of the stewardship of citizenship that the Bible commands us to have um and to be good citizens.
- 12:27There is no indication that Charlie necessarily brought all that into his church on Sunday uh where he attended.
- 12:35um It's not that he's making one political and the other, you know, it's not that he's, you know, mixing things that shouldn't be mixed.
- 12:43There should be a separation of church and state, right?
- 12:46But um on the other hand, it's like he left this incredible legacy because he was willing to go out and confront these issues with truth.
- 12:56um And he wouldn't mince his words and he wouldn't cut corners on being totally biblical.
- 13:04when he was confronting something and man, huge kudos to that.
- 13:08It's easier said than done.
- 13:09Well, it's interesting to me that the pushback of separation of church and state seems to be coming from our, our Christian brothers these days more than from the left.
- 13:20And um I just think to myself, as I watch the Christian statement of, of our history, I mean, 250 years of national history coming up soon.
- 13:32And will you just recognize
- 13:35they were constantly talking about God and constantly bringing God in.
- 13:40And this was not about trying to build a nation that uh ruled from a Christian perspective.
- 13:51This was about letting Christianity flow into our lives.
- 13:55I was just reading First Timothy where he's telling us to be praying for those in government.
- 14:02And then he says, so that we can live a peaceable life so that the main thing Jesus is about, which is he's the only mediator between God and man, so that we might be able to
- 14:13talk about that.
- 14:13I mean, if you go back and look at the passage in first Timothy that talks about uh praying for our elected leaders, it's all about world missions.
- 14:26so I mean, from a Christian perspective,
- 14:30Politics is about world mission because everything we do is about world mission.
- 14:36Mm-hmm.
- 14:37Well and the people on the other side that are influencing politics and government that are involved in politics government their worldviews aren't neutral either Everybody's got
- 14:47everybody brings a worldview into what they're doing Everybody is doing what they're doing for a reason bigger than just that thing and so they are driven by a worldview they're
- 14:58driven by a cause they're driven by a belief a truth and and so if if we
- 15:05as Christians decide not to be influential in our society anymore, who are we leaving the influence to?
- 15:12Now, there are different ways to be influential.
- 15:14I think we're gonna talk about that.
- 15:15I mean, Jesus was very outspoken.
- 15:18His life was very, you know, at times could be very confrontational with the politicians of his day who were, happened to be Pharisees, happened to be people of faith, you know.
- 15:28Yeah, well, and I think it was interesting as you see Peter having that, excuse me, Jesus having that private conversation with pilot at his,
- 15:40trial in which he was eventually crucified.
- 15:43Pilate four times found him innocent.
- 15:46I mean, Pilate was very impacted by the person of Jesus Christ.
- 15:50I think that if you recognize impact, Jesus certainly had stronger impact than you and I could ever imagine.
- 16:02Well, this is what's incredible to me.
- 16:05Pilate saw the innocence of Jesus.
- 16:08The centurion said after he had died, he was truly the son of God.
- 16:16One of the thieves on the cross put his faith in Jesus Christ before he passed.
- 16:22But the Pharisees, the Pharisees, I think were the only ones, the Pharisees in the crowd were the only ones that could chant, crucify him all the way through.
- 16:32And then at the end, when the resurrection is being evidenced, we're the ones who said, let's pay these guys to shut up about this.
- 16:41I mean, the insiders.
- 16:44that that George is is lifting up politics above the reality of truth.
- 16:51And and so we're not going to ever do that.
- 16:55We're involved in politics because we believe truth and the source of truth is Jesus and the Word of God.
- 17:01And that the truth is what we're living about.
- 17:06ah Clearly, those are men who are living about falsehood and lifting
- 17:11plus their view of politics above any kind of truth.
- 17:16So I back back to Charlie, I when I think of his impact, I think of it the impact to encourage to inspire, to enable, uh to motivate, to bring freedom and peace into
- 17:32individual lives.
- 17:34uh That's the kind of impact I want to have on people's lives.
- 17:38I'm afraid that
- 17:40um If we get too intellectual in our view of um how should we discourse with the lost on college campuses and politics and all that, our impact can begin to discourage, can begin
- 17:58to stifle, maybe even bore people.
- 18:01It can begin to hinder the work of God.
- 18:04It can bring restraint and even tension in people's lives.
- 18:07That's not the impact I want to have.
- 18:09I want to have the impact that encourages and motivates and empowers and brings freedom and peace into people's lives.
- 18:17Well, and that impact doesn't grow overnight, right?
- 18:20mean, Charlie for 11 years, 12 years had been going at this very steadily.
- 18:27There's a quote, and I might get it wrong, but a guy once said, the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago.
- 18:37The second best time is today.
- 18:40And so it's like, you know what?
- 18:43If you haven't been doing this, if you haven't been engaging people in their worldview, if you haven't been presenting Christ, if you haven't been speaking publicly with people
- 18:51about the truth of the gospel, um if you haven't been building that impact, that momentum, start today.
- 18:57Start right now.
- 18:58It's not too late.
- 19:00It's never too late to do the right thing.
- 19:02You you get, use that uh thought process that Charlie built this influence over 11 years of public ministry.
- 19:10Let's take that into uh a private individual life.
- 19:14Cause that I think that's what gospel talks is about.
- 19:17We're talking to individuals who are trying to build their impact on their sphere of influence.
- 19:22um Anna and I have a friend who uh just this last week was able to invite her
- 19:31hairdresser to do the Bible study with her.
- 19:35And the by the hairdresser who is Buddhist said, Yes, I'll do that.
- 19:40That that's seven years of relationship.
- 19:44That's seven years of impact.
- 19:46And you know that, that desire to impact started long, long time ago.
- 19:52In fact, my my friend was really frustrated.
- 19:57But
- 19:58because she wanted to be able to do more and just was never getting anywhere.
- 20:04But through the years just faithfully having influence, faithfully having impact.
- 20:09uh This friend began to talk about a concern and a fear in her life about the need of a child, an adult child in her life.
- 20:21And my friend was able to say, you know, I have a four lesson Bible study that I think could really help you with these fears.
- 20:27And
- 20:28uh All of that started seven years ago and through that gradual impact and it just speaks to what you just said.
- 20:37Yeah, and and you know people like Anna people like the person you're talking about they have to take this step of faith and they have to take you know and create an opportunity
- 20:47or offer something in risk of relationship and and Become somebody who says hey either you're gonna turn this way.
- 20:54You're gonna turn this way You're gonna say yes or no to this to this thing I'm offering but I'm willing to to risk a no I'm willing to risk rejection
- 21:02for you to have the opportunity to hear truth.
- 21:05And sometimes I think to myself, even me, me, George, what am I scared about that I hesitate to put myself in those situations?
- 21:13I mean, what do we really have to lose besides people?
- 21:18You know, I mean, we could lose, we could lose the opportunity for souls to be in heaven with us.
- 21:24That's what we could lose.
- 21:26Besides that, what do we really have to lose by saying, you know, man, actually, Jesus said something.
- 21:31different about that.
- 21:32I'd love to show you in a Bible study how you could have peace about this issue.
- 21:39I'm betting there's people in your cul-de-sac.
- 21:41I'm betting there's people on your street that need to hear that, that want to hear that.
- 21:45Just wish sometimes, I wonder if unbelievers on the other side, sometimes wish that we as Christians would have the courage to actually say something.
- 21:52I wonder if they're looking at us like, how come he doesn't say anything?
- 21:55I know he's a Christian.
- 21:56He knows that I know he's a Christian.
- 21:58Why doesn't he say anything?
- 21:59Yeah, yeah.
- 22:00Well, and and that brings me to the thought process.
- 22:04So we're not ever going to have a life like Charlie, but we can have a life like my wife's friend.
- 22:09And I just feel like, okay, how do we go about do that?
- 22:13And and I have three ideas.
- 22:16Number one, we need to begin right now to network with our existing sphere of influence.
- 22:24You were talking about this neighbor that wonders if he's ever going to talk to me about Jesus.
- 22:29And we've got to start being intentional.
- 22:32We've got to start connecting with people.
- 22:35And I do think that one of the problems that most of us have is that we are struggling with, okay, I know I should talk to my neighbor about Jesus, but how am I ever going to
- 22:47get there?
- 22:48And I feel like if we could have a strategy that says rather than looking for a Jesus moment,
- 22:58let's just start being a friendly neighbor and having compelling conversations with that neighbor, so that the neighbor enjoys it and wants to talk to me.
- 23:07I've often thought, if you're going to have a conversation about Jesus, probably not going to happen in the front yard.
- 23:14We've got to find conducive settings to have better conversations with our neighbors.
- 23:19So these are the strategies that I think of in intentionally taking conversations to the gospel.
- 23:26If I take a conversation, number one, make it enjoyable.
- 23:30Number two, have a conducive setting so that they're better conversations.
- 23:34But then number three, on purpose, take conversations deeply, deeper, wear my Christianity comfortably on my shirt sleeve and ask God for open doors and then purposely walk through
- 23:46those open doors when they come.
- 23:48Yes, 100 percent.
- 23:50uh And when you look at the gospels, you look at how Jesus and his disciples related to the community.
- 23:56This is exactly how they did it.
- 23:58uh And so, yeah, I think that's that's incredible.
- 24:02I'm dying to hear.
- 24:04Yeah, go ahead.
- 24:05uh this uh conversation talking about the webcast and I think, or the webinar, I think it's really, really important for people to know the exchanges about tools and training.
- 24:18mean, those are the things we believe that people have the ability.
- 24:22We just want to equip you.
- 24:23We just want to give you the tools and uh training.
- 24:29I just really believe one of the greatest tools a person can use is exchange Bible study.
- 24:33If you want to have impact on your friends, get close enough to them to where they're talking about soul needs and offer a Bible study.
- 24:41When my oh our NNI our friend asked her friend, Would you do a Bible study with me?
- 24:47She said, I don't even know what a Bible study is.
- 24:49She's she's from a Buddhist background.
- 24:51And Brenda said, Well, I have this Bible study.
- 24:54just four lessons.
- 24:55It just introduced you to
- 24:57what the Bible says about who God is, how to have relationship with him.
- 25:00And that that woman said, Yeah, that sounds good.
- 25:02That's what I need.
- 25:05It was that simple.
- 25:06hmm It's amazing when God has prepared somebody that all it took was us having a small short conversation That was the only thing standing in the way of the start of something
- 25:17incredible
- 25:18Yeah, well, I do think that those seven years of building connections is kind of set that up.
- 25:25And so, you know, both is important, but eventually we got to take that step of faith and, and invite people to meet Jesus.
- 25:35And I think the exchange Bible study is a good tool for that.
- 25:38The second concept, not just networking with the people we already know, but on purpose,
- 25:45expanding our own existing sphere of influence.
- 25:49I feel like if I have met learned anything from Charlie, it is that he purposely was constantly expanding his uh network expanding his sphere of influence.
- 26:00And I want to learn from that I want to learn to be intentional in uh meeting people in on purpose slowing down and having conversations with the people I meet.
- 26:13looking for ways to connect with the people that I've enjoyed in conversations with.
- 26:16mean, these are intentional ways of expanding that sphere of influence that I really want to do.
- 26:24There's a something I heard.
- 26:27I can't remember where I heard it.
- 26:28But if you want to go fast, go alone.
- 26:31If you want to go far, go together.
- 26:32And there's no doubt in my mind that Charlie was an incredible networker.
- 26:37And not only that, he was an incredible builder of lifelong friendships because he took people with him.
- 26:42Just the same way Jesus took people with him.
- 26:45He took disciples with him.
- 26:46He took the 70, the 120.
- 26:48Charlie took people with him.
- 26:50There's no way he could accomplish what he accomplished by himself.
- 26:52He had multiplied himself.
- 26:54in terms of leadership and capability and voice and things like that.
- 26:57And now there's a bunch of people, there's thousands and thousands of young people that, you know, they might not have been the big torch that Charlie was, he was such a unique
- 27:06person, but all those candles together, all those matches together, you know, might equal something really, really big, I think it will.
- 27:14But um I think having that bringing people with you mentality of discipleship, building friendships, being a sticky person.
- 27:24somebody that's kind of hard to get away from.
- 27:27That's the community aspect of the New Testament.
- 27:30That's the fellowship.
- 27:32That's what that's about.
- 27:34Yeah.
- 27:34And I think that as we begin to get close to the people around us and begin to slow down, meet them, spend time with them, then we're going to be able to not only connect with them
- 27:48and impact them, but they have a sphere of influence.
- 27:50And I, one of the things that I've also decided is I want to start asking for introductions to people I don't know.
- 27:59I'm purposely looking to expand
- 28:03that sphere of influence.
- 28:04So uh going slow, meeting people, forming close sticky as as George would say, uh relationships with them, and then utilize their contacts and ask them, help, help me meet
- 28:20that person that you've been talking about, I'd love to be able to impact them.
- 28:24And just recognize our impact is not for ourselves.
- 28:29We read this morning,
- 28:31Don't try to glorify yourself that we're not trying to glorify ourselves.
- 28:35We're trying to impact people for the kingdom of heaven
- 28:39Yeah, that's absolutely right.
- 28:40And it's not about us.
- 28:41It's not about us at all.
- 28:43And that's going to help you become a better conversationalist is if you capitalize what you said right there, Jeff, is if you go into a conversation thinking, this is about me,
- 28:52and people are going to sense that I do my best to make it, you know, take interest in them, I think is what you've said in the past is, hey, tell me more about yourself.
- 29:02man, how does that work?
- 29:03what do you do for a living?
- 29:05man, so how'd you get into that?
- 29:06You know, um people love that.
- 29:08because they know that means you love them, that you've taken an interest.
- 29:12and begin to ask questions back, we're going to take them deeper and show them the reality of Christ in our lives.
- 29:19That's I mean, it will happen.
- 29:21I mean, that's just the way relationships go.
- 29:24Amen.
- 29:25Amen.
- 29:26100%.
- 29:27So, um talking about conversations, I think this is a concept that struck me this week.
- 29:34was teaching through John chapter 12 with my small group.
- 29:41you know, Lazarus was sitting at the dinner table having been resurrected.
- 29:45What would it have been like to sit at the dinner table with a resurrected person?
- 29:49um You know, we're resurrected.
- 29:52you know, not physically, but spiritually, we're resurrected.
- 29:56The Bible says we were dead in our trespasses and sins, and He has brought us to life.
- 30:00And so sometimes I think what we need to do is just be resurrected, display what Jesus Christ has done in us, be ourselves, be Christians, live out your faith right in front of
- 30:13people, publicly.
- 30:14I think that's what Charlie did.
- 30:16For me, that was the most amazing, is that he had the courage to be really public about
- 30:21everything that Jesus Christ is and unashamed about none of it and apologetic about none of it.
- 30:27um
- 30:31I really believe that was the reason he had impact is that's really controversial.
- 30:37That worldview is really controversial.
- 30:38It's hated.
- 30:39It's resisted in our society.
- 30:41And then he just said, yeah, but it's my faith.
- 30:44It's my Jesus.
- 30:45And I'm going to live for him out in public every day.
- 30:48And um that's incredible.
- 30:51And I think that the thing that is incredible about what you just said is that that didn't stop when Charlie died.
- 31:00Um, if, if, if anything that, that took a major leap forward, uh, you know, Hebrews chapter 11, the great chapter of faith talks about Abel who was the first martyr and, it
- 31:18said about him,
- 31:19through his faith, though he died, he still speaks.
- 31:24And I, I just think that we need to recognize that this impact that we have for eternal things, for the kingdom of heaven, that that's, that doesn't end when our life ends.
- 31:39It goes on and on and on forever.
- 31:41It is worth living for.
- 31:43It is, it is the only thing worth living for.
- 31:47John chapter 12, Jesus says, sometimes a grain has to die, fall into the ground before a harvest can come.
- 31:55And so I really believe uh we're enjoying right now an opportunity in the lives of especially the young demographic in America, inquisitiveness about why what happened to
- 32:08Charlie Kirk happened.
- 32:10And the reason we're enjoying that is because the head of grain died.
- 32:15and fell into the ground and now there's opportunity for hardness.
- 32:20Yeah.
- 32:20You know, you were talking about Lazarus while ago and his, um, people wanting to ask him questions, you know, what was it like to be dead?
- 32:27And what was it like to be resurrected?
- 32:29And, I guarantee you Lazarus was not talking about the grave.
- 32:34He was talking about the person who gave him life.
- 32:38And, um, you know, when people start asking us questions about our life, um, about, about Charlie's life, about why, um,
- 32:48What we really want to get to is the source of life.
- 32:52mean, the reason that Charlie was so vivacious, the reason he was so powerful, the reason he's so impacting is because he had the source of life, which was Jesus himself.
- 33:02Yeah, and it just goes to show you everybody's armed with their salvation story.
- 33:08Everybody's armed with the story of their savior and how he came into their life and changed things.
- 33:14And just go use that.
- 33:15I mean, it's a simple thing to tell your story.
- 33:17It's probably one of the most authentic things you can do.
- 33:19It's just say, you know, once they get to the point where they're interested in you, hey, this is my story.
- 33:25This is what God did in my life.
- 33:28Yeah, absolutely.
- 33:29Well, I have just really been impacted by the life and now death of Charlie and I, I don't want it to go by without impacting and changing me.
- 33:41Yeah, yeah.
- 33:42No, I think it was very good that we took this time um to think about it and to talk through it.
- 33:46um And so to you guys in the community, laborers in the harvest, um go out, live your faith publicly as Jeff would say, wear it comfortably on your sleeve that you are a child
- 33:59of Jesus Christ, that you live for him, that you believe in his death, burial and resurrection, and that it is the only way to eternal life.
- 34:06And that's the only way for us to escape our insignificance and impact eternity.
- 34:13And so we're gonna be praying for you guys on the harvest.
- 34:15Don't forget, sign up for the webinar.
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- 34:31You're talking Domino's.
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- 34:51Pray with us as we pray to the Lord of the Harvest that he would send forth laborers.
- 34:55Love you guys, we'll see you next