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Cardinals Sign Sonny Gray: 3-Years, $75 Million · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up everybody? Charlie Marlow here.
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  Got to jump on and talk about the big news for the Cardinals
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  today. The Cardinals signing free
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  agent, pitcher, starting pitcher, right-hander, Sonny
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  Gray to a three-year deal for $75 million.
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  What do you guys think about this?
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  This was the guy, I think this offseason that everybody
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  targeted. He just feels like a Saint Louis
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  Cardinal for whatever reason. Well, for a lot of reasons.
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  Age, term of the deal. A guy who probably will fit in
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  well in Saint Louis with the Cardinals.
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  A guy who would want to be here maybe didn't really fit that New
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  York Yankees big city type situation, but really pitched
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  well with the Minnesota Twins, obviously been with the Reds,
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  been with the A's and now your next starting pitcher for the
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  Saint Louis Cardinals. Fair to say your best starting
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  pitcher? I don't.
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  I don't think he's a one. I don't think.
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  Well, is he an ace? I mean look man, he finished
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  second. He finished second in the Cy
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  Young last year. So in saying he's not a one,
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  right when I say that, OK, he's not a one.
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  Well he finished second in the frickin.
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  Cy Young Award last year. Definitely at at minimum a solid
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  2. But again it's it's funny when I
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  when I just said that. Oh is he A1?
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  Well, hell, he finished second in the Frickin style Young last
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  year. Let's look at his numbers with
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  the Minnesota Twins. Eight and eight record made, 32
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  starts, 2.79 ERA 184 innings pitched. 183 strikeouts are
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  right there. About 1 strikeout per inning 1/5
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  that led the league 2.83. Here's a good one, especially
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  after they signed Lance Lane who gave up a ton of homers last
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  year. What did Lance Lane give up?
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  44 homers. So Sonny Gray led the league in
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  home runs allowed per nine in terms of the the lowest.
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  So this is a good stat. Only allowed eight home runs
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  last year in 184 innings pitched.
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  So .4 home runs per nine innings.
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  That is Dang good. And again All Star.
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  Second in the Cy Young 18th in the MVP.
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  It's funny because when you say Sonny Gray to me, do I think, oh
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  is he an ace? Is he A1?
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  Well, hell again. I've repeated myself 15 times,
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  but when you finished second in the Cy Young, I mean, hell, you
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  got to be an ace. Or damn close to a one, at least
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  for this for this past year. So let's go ahead and look at
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  Sonny Gray. Overall, he's 34 years old, just
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  turned 34 earlier this month and 11 years in the big leagues.
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  Career record 98 and 85. Three .47.
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  Career ERA 15171. Career innings 15121 career
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  strikeouts, so again, almost one per innings pitched and had his
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  best best years the last couple with the Minnesota Twins.
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  By far 2.90 ERA with the Twins over over two seasons only
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  through 119 2/3 innings last year.
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  This is 2022. I'm saying in in 24 starts, but
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  if you look back, go back to. I mean, early in his career he
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  made 33 starts with the A's, 31 starts with the AS30, Let's see,
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  31 starts with the Reds in 2019 and you have the COVID year the
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  last three seasons. He's made 2624 and 32 starts the
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  last three years. And now you got that AARP
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  pitching staff for the Cardinals.
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  He's a, he's a young guy at 34 years old.
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  You got you got Lance Lynn 36, you got Cal Gibson 36.
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  I was looking this up earlier today what is is Miles Michaelis
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  35 I believe double check me on that I think I'm right Steven
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  Mats I believe 32 about to turn 33 next season so.
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  So there you go Michaelis, Matt I mean everybody's everybody's
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  mid, mid 30s. I'm not going to say 36 is is
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  late 30s yet once you get to 37 don't you think that's fair to
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  say you're you're late 30s. But I want to hear from you
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  guys. Please comment like subscribe.
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  What do you think of this of this deal and and all winter
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  long or all offseason long it seemed like Sonny Gray was
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  always going to be the guy the Cardinals went for.
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  And and I've thought that the key to the Cardinals rebuilding
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  their their starting pitching was basically adding Gray,
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  adding that trade guy and then adding that third pitcher who
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  you thought was somebody like Lance Lynn or Michael Waka or
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  Kyle Gibson. But they end up getting two of
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  those guys. So I think this is super
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  interesting because you would think on paper the Cardinals may
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  be done OK, they got the three. And some people are probably a
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  little disappointed thinking like I did that you needed two
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  pitchers better than Miles Michaels right now.
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  I think it's fair to say that you got one in Sonny Grey.
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  I don't know how you want to slot this, you guys, but I would
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  probably go Grey right now. Michaelis And then if you wanted
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  to go Gibson Matts Lynn, I I don't know.
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  I'm not going to, I'm not going to get mad about how you slap
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  345. I think it's fair to say on
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  paper that Sonny Grazer won and Miles Miles Michaelis is your
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  two and then whatever you look at the 345.
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  But this, this I find very interesting because I thought
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  all along the Cardinals would try to add a starting pitcher
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  via trade. We'll see if they do.
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  If not, you can still trade a Dylan Carlson, a Tyler O'Neill,
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  Alec Carlson, whoever, whoever you want to move of this glut of
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  outfielders that you also have to sort out.
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  You could get a reliever or a couple relievers in return.
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  Or maybe you're still out there in the starting pitching market
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  for somebody like a Dylan Cease, for somebody like Alec Manoa.
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  We've heard about Logan Gilbert. The name Tyler Glass now is
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  thrown out there a lot with a raise.
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  So this is from Michael Marino of Marino MLB on Twitter.
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  He's a national MLB reporter and he tweets out earlier today,
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  11:00, he says, sources tell. And this other guy is Jack
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  Azalea Heron. He's a freelance MLB reporter
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  from New York. He manages a site called MLB
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  Nerds. OK, so anyway, this Michael
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  Marino says sources tell Jack Azalea Heron and myself that the
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  Cardinals have made teams interested and adding starting
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  pitching, aware that left-handed pitcher Steven Mats is available
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  via trade. Matt signed a four year, $44
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  million contract with Saint Louis before the 2022 season.
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  So that's from Michael Marino and then this gentleman Jack
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  Azulay Heron, and I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that
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  correctly, but so he says. Also, the Cardinals have been
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  aggressively shopped. He meant to say shopping.
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  So the Cardinals have been aggressively shopping
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  left-handed pitcher Stephen Mats.
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  Sources tell MLB nerds and Marino MLB Mats recently signed
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  the four year, $44 million deal prior to the 2022 season.
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  Very, very interesting. Because look, you can say what
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  you want about Stephen Mats, but when you see what the Cardinals
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  signed Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson for, we're talking one
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  year deals for what, 10-12 million with the buyout, With
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  the option, whatever it is. So $23 million combined.
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  Think about it. Steven Matz with two years left
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  on his deal on a four year, $44 million deal.
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  So we're talking 11,000,000 Aavi.
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  Don't know exactly how that contract plays out, but let's
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  just say $11 million on average. That's a pretty fair deal for
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  Steven Matz. So if you got other guys who are
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  trying to sign pitchers like Lancelin trying to sign pitchers
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  like Michael Walker, trying to sign pitchers like Kyle Gibson,
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  A2 year deal for Steven Matz is not a bad contract that could be
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  attractive to other teams. Especially if you're trying to
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  let's say trade a a younger pitcher that you don't think you
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  can sign long term but get some stability in return for the next
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  couple years in a guy like Steven Matz.
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  So this I think is what's really interesting not only about the
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  Sonny Grey signing, because when Sonny Grey gets signed, maybe
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  you think OK, they're done and and maybe they are, But it it
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  would make sense if the Cardinals are shopping Stephen
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  Matz, if they feel like, hey, we have enough back end of the
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  rotation type pieces with with Matt's, with Lynn and with Kyle
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  Gibson. And if the Cardinals like most
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  of us think they need more upside, more more front end
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  rotation help, it would make a lot of sense to move somebody
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  like Stephen Matz. And I guess it doesn't have to
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  be necessarily in the same deal, right?
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  You can move Mats. They still need relievers, but
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  if they were to trade for one of the guys I mentioned and and
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  whoever is in that bucket, Logan Gilbert, Dylan Cease, Tyler
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  Glass now and somebody like Alec Mignoa would probably cost less
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  but still has tremendous upside. Mignoa had a really good season
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  two years ago. Dylan Cease also had a rough
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  year ERA wise, but he was unbelievable two seasons ago as
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  well. He's not going to come cheap,
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  but the point is more so Just because the Cardinals have have
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  acquired 3 pictures all via free agency, it doesn't seem like
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  they're done at least seeing what else is out there.
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  Because it would make a lot of sense to move somebody like
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  Matt's and then try to add somebody you think is better to
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  slot at the top of the rotation. If you want to have Sonny Gray
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  one and then whoever we're talking about ceased glass now
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  2. Doesn't that make the whole
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  starting rotation feel a whole lot better?
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  If Miles Michaels says you're 3 and then again Kyle Gibson Lance
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  Lynn or reverse those guys I don't really care as as the back
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  end of your starting rotation. So I think though that it just
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  always felt like Sonny Gray was going to be a Saint Louis
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  Cardinal age a guy who's pitched in the central before a shorter
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  deal. Now you know before the winter
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  really started in terms when I say winter, I mean the offseason
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  and and I was looking at different publications
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  predicting contracts and so everything is more than than
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  what a lot of people thought which usually is the case.
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  I I do think that once Aaron Nola got what what did he get
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  seven years, 172 million so we're talking 24 and a half
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  million. You know I don't think the AAV
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  really shocked anybody. It was more to me the years.
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  So once they they signed him and paid him, the Phillies did till
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  he's age 37. I started to think, well hell
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  maybe Sonny Grey gets a four year deal.
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  And if you were thinking earlier that Sonny Grey gets a
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  three-year deal for 60, well now the price of poker is going up
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  and I was reading different, you know, people who cover the sport
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  and think oh maybe maybe now Sonny Grey's a four year deal
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  for 90 million which which makes sense because it's in
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  essentially the same ballpark as what the Cardinals get them.
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  They go three years and they go 75,000,000.
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  So the AAV obviously a nice clean easy 25,000,000 if he did
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  got four years and and and this is this is probably the best
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  offer I'm guessing but you know if another team would have
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  pushed it to four years and and 85,000,000 would they have
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  pushed it to to 90 million which makes the AAV more like 22 1/2
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  but he gets more money in total I think three years and $75
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  million is a nice fair contract for both parties and the
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  Cardinals have a little stability there beyond 2024.
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  I know that Lynn and Kyle Gibson have options but Sonny Gray now
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  you haven't for three seasons. I I think this is going to be a
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  really really nice contract for the Cardinals.
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  I I don't think it's going to be a bust by any means.
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  You you can never really predict health but I think he's a pretty
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  solid dependable pitcher front end guy.
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  If he was your #2 starter in the play offs, I think you feel
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  pretty Dang good about that. A guy with this sweeper pitch
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  that has kind of taken over baseball the last couple years
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  and and he's he's been a master of that pitch.
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  We had Matt Holiday on the radio show Hot Take Central 590 The
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  Fan earlier today and he was a team mate with Sonny Grey with
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  the Yankees and said he's just this really, you know, good
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  dude, small town guy. Tennessee went to Vanderbilt,
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  but just kind of a guy who maybe doesn't love the limelight and I
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  was thinking about that myself. Sonny Grey's been in the big
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  leagues for 11 seasons and I feel like I've never seen him do
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  an interview. Although I think, as I say that
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  I think I may have talked to him at an All Star game years ago,
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  years ago when he's with the A's.
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  I got to cover a bunch of these All Star games that were kind of
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  close by. There's one in Minnesota you can
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  drive to. There's one in Kansas City.
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  I got to cover one in Cleveland, so I don't remember the year.
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  I think I may have talked to Sonny Gray years ago at one of
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  those media availabilities, but that's just goes to show you I
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  can't. I can't even remember.
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  So he's just one of those quiet soft spoken guys, likes to
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  pitch, likes to play baseball, doesn't like to do all the all
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  the all the extra stuff which I think fits in really well with
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  the Saint Louis Cardinals And we always joke about that like oh,
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  he feels like a cardinal. It's usually a boring guy who's
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  in his mid 30s, the family man. Well look, sometimes sometimes
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  the slipper fits and that is the case with Sonny Grey.
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  So I don't want to make this one super long.
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  We're going to have tons more content today on this.
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  We already posted the video of Matt Holiday talking about Sonny
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  Grey later in the day. I'm sure everybody on 590, the
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  fans going to have great analysis of the Sonny Gray
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  shave, which I haven't done in a long time.
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  And my wife's mad about it because she prefers me with a
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  beard, but it'll grow back. It's all good.
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  All right. Anyway, hopefully.
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  that. OK, All right.
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  I'll shut up. Sonny Gray, three years, 75
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  millionaire. The Cardinals.
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  Done. If Steven Mack's going to be
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  traded and they're going to upgrade again, what do you guys
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  think? Comment.
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  Like, subscribe. And I want to know your opinion
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  them, but throw me your comments.
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  What do you think of the Sonny great deal?
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  Just feels like a cardinal. Sonny great.
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  Now a member of the Saint Louis Cardinals.
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  All right, guys, have a good one.
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  Peace out. We'll see you soon.
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  I'll jump on again as soon as there's some more Cardinals,
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  even if it's like a reliever. I'm going to jump on here
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  All right. See you guys.