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Episode 119: HBO's The Last Of Us! · WASD and Beyond

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Hello everybody. Welcome back to their episode of
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the wasd and Beyond podcast. My name is I can't do it.
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I'm so stoked. My name is Nick with me.
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As always is Evan. But uh, I was gonna say this was
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going to be a beyond episode but it's not.
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It's not because it's not, this is related to gaming in such a
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marvelous way. We're not going to do the, how
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was your week bullshit? We're going to no, no, no.
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We're hopping right in this. We're talking about The Last of
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Us on HBO. Oh, so I try out the stutter.
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I try not to stammer and do all that shit when we record I
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really do. But this was something special,
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and that's why it is going to be a regular episode, this is going
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to shape the way. Game adaptations from now.
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On will be made. I'm going to say that right now.
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I would, I would honestly agree. I think, if any of our like,
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like, not constant, but like are really the passionate listeners,
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go back, and they listen to our first episode when we recorded
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the Halo Halo show. For yeah, first episode, you can
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tell just in our voices, the difference excitement and, and
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like, you know, We're kind of apprehensive, I think when we
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did the first Halo on, because we're like, yeah, I don't know,
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like, some of the stuff really weird and then, it's like you.
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Now we're doing this one. And it's like, oh my God, like
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they did it. They get any words that we
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started the episode man. They they did it and I watched
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it with my family. I watched it with my sister, my
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brother, and my dad, my mom was asleep and then yeah, you were
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watching it and Discord with the boys, I'm curious.
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What did the lot of the guys who haven't played the game?
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Think did they seem to like it? So I figure everybody in the
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server is played the Game that was watching I don't think I
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don't think Joe and Matt have maybe not react.
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So Matt was quiet because Matt was also playing tarkov.
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Regardless if they played or not the reactions were unanimous
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from what I could tell. Anytime something crazy
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happened, which we're going to get into the episode, we're
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going to get into the meat of it, we have to and there will be
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spoilers at the end. We will save spoilers for the
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end. And if I react seem pretty
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closely, I mean now you know it's pretty much spot-on yes
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there's a couple changes there but howdy Maya had to happen as
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well. I like the change that we do.
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See but the yeah reactions and the in the server while we were
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watching it was. Whoa.
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Oh my God. Whoa dude I'm tearing up like
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dude, like everybody in that in that watch party was Quiet.
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You could hear a neat, you could hear a pin drop on the ground
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team. Sam on the couch, there was not
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a word it from any, it was impossible.
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Like, even if like there was a couple times where we, like when
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the the show itself gave you that comedic relief, we would
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all laughing, start bantering. But then immediately with some
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sense, it was just it was just alright everyone fat fuck up.
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Yeah and down that it's it's fucking wild man.
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So Yeah, I've never been this stoked and I love the last of
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us, it's not, you know, I'm wearing my Half-Life 2 shirt and
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I say that because obviously for me half life is the game that I
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am in love with whereas you this is your bread and butter.
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This is your game if there was ever to be a game that like made
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for you, this is the game. I felt bad because of my like my
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brothers played at my dad's played it and there would be
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something that happened in the show that was taken from the
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games and I'd be, I'd be To look around and have my like Jaw open
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like it's, yeah, that's from the game.
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I could I couldn't because like, I don't know if they remember,
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you know, or anything they're like they just don't get as
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hyped about it as I was. But yeah, I mean, I know this
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is, this is my my game, my franchise, right?
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I grew up with it. I was 13 when the game came out.
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I was 20 when the second game came out or 21 and, you know, so
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I've kind of grown up with it in a way and to see it on TV and
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not only just to see it on TV. But like, you know, I'm sure
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there are people who love Halo and I'm sure there are people
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who love table the way I love the last of us to the way you
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love. Half-Life.
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And I imagine that would have would have hurt seeing, you
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know, you're these characters change so much in a way that
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your you don't think is good. Is it's not Godfather moment.
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Look what they've done to my boy.
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Yeah. Yeah right exactly.
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And it's like for me, I'm watching it going.
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Oh my God they got it right? I know.
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And and there's and that's a pretty honestly a pretty crazy
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feeling because you know, we talked about it before of like
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there's really only One other video game adaptation that was
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done. Well, in that was the Sonic
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movie, which is yeah, which is so different from this because
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you have a story. You have to follow the story,
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you can't call it the last of us and maybe eight really two
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people. Yeah.
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Two different people, right? So no, it was incredible.
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I gotta say. And I know we talked about this
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when we were a little apprehensive about like Bella
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Ramsey playing Ellie and all those worries for me are gone.
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Bella is Ellie. Oh my gosh.
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He Nails it like I if I ask everybody when we finished out
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in the living room like what you guys think and you know, my
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sister. No, no, no.
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But like, that's just her tone. My dad looked at me and he goes,
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that was pretty cool. And then Jack, those I don't
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like Ellie. She doesn't look like a lie and
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I'm like, you know, I had the same thought, but I don't, she
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doesn't have to, like know, you see how she is in the show and
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you're like, oh that's that's her.
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That's Pedro. Is fucking Joel?
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Oh my god. Tommy who's the ACT?
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Play starving. I think his name's Gabriel.
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Luna, great. Good Nails.
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It, he Nails it Marlene's. Character is actually her voice
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to be accurate. Her, what?
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Yeah, her voice actress from the game test wonderful tested.
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Yeah, test was great. I love that.
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And I think the the big thing we should really step into that
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isn't spoiling the show or really is all the building of
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the world, we just got like, dude, Yeah, like we got to see
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what happens at twenty years later to, you know, like what's
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the process for things. You know what, how does this go?
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We got to spend a lot of time in 2003 when the story starts, I
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love to be in trouble. I love the intro and 1968 when
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the guys are on the talk show. Like that's not that's not a
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spoiler by the way, but like that's what sets up the show for
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everybody who doesn't know the game, really, which I thought
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was really interesting. They set it up in a way that was
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Unrelated but also like for fans we go, we know what's going on.
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Yeah, it was great. It was a gazebo because he name
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drops it when they're talking when he name drops a bunch of
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fungi and he name drops cordyceps, which is what the
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virus is or the fungus is. And so yeah like I loved the the
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World building that we got while it also mixed in with classic
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scenes from the game characters. Like that was honestly beautiful
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like You know, there was no in there was little mentions of
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things. I don't know if you saw but
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like, you know, the brick under. Yeah, Jules bad, you know.
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And like it's just, you know, little things like that.
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There's like a PS2 sin or the PS3, or I'm sure there are sure
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they're on the table and I was like it's not a dog like to do
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that for both games where they would drop like PlayStations and
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like, you know, PlayStation games on like tables and stuff.
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But yeah, there's a PS2 is a PS2 sitting on the table and yeah,
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right? Yeah.
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So it was like, Just that stuff and then yes seeing classic
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shots from the game recreated as a TV show you know, is
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incredible and changing things in a way that fits it but
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doesn't take a break it. It doesn't break.
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It doesn't break it just it's another like this extra piece of
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the puzzle. You didn't know would fit the
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age-old adage of don't fix it. If it ain't broken was followed,
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it does. Well yeah but it doesn't apply
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here. We don't know.
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Too much of the changes so far. I mean, you can see if you know
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the story, you know, that it revolves around spores.
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This does not at the moment, it's times.
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You can see the tendrils. Yeah.
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You can see ya and that's that's fine.
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It work when you can see him. Yeah.
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In the mouths, right? That's good.
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I was seeing it which I thought was a you know, at first the
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thing you're going like that's so weird but then you're
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watching it, you're like but it still works gross as well.
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Really gross that scene in the Opening what?
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So it will not start with the opening.
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Like we're because you don't have to get to specifics it
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photos before the title or after after so.
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Okay. You know, it's Joel's birthdays
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with his daughter. It's going decent, right?
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It's gold. It's just Joel.
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Being Joel and Sarah being Sarah.
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Yeah, and Tommy showing up and trying to steal some pancakes
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that don't exist. Exactly.
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So that's wonderful. You know, sex great.
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She goes to school, he goes to work.
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She gets back. The seen the cut right there.
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What? She's looking for the DVD.
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Yeah. And the old lady just sitting
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there. Oh Magic.
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The yeah out. I was like oh here we go.
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Here's the kickoff. And we get our kickoff.
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I loved. I love that, though.
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Right? In that hole.
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Beginning sequence when she goes to get the watch repair it and
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there's the cops going by. And then the lady kicks, her out
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telling her, no, no go home. Stacy.
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Gotta get home like. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like you know, she, you know the
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jets flying over when she gets back.
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You know. Yep.
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All that stuff. Like it's just you know it's
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Parsons school to that kid with the bracelet on his hand is
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shaking. Yeah, yeah.
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And so is what the fuck? Are you shaking like that?
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Like yeah. So and that's you know what?
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That was really cool. It reminded me of like those
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like not 28 Days Later but that same sort of like there's these
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little signs, the other things changing, you know, or World War
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Z almost sometimes like where there's, you know, like at the
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beginning of that movie, where they're like, they hear stuff on
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the news and then, you know, a car comes by like, that kind of
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thing. So, I love that little bit of
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building out, like, teasing without actually showing exactly
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what's going to happen, you know, And I think yet.
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So I loved seeing all that stuff.
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Yeah, the lady freaking out. The chair was something.
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I was like, oh, I was like not now not already been unfocused
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shot. I think because yeah, that's her
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mouth opens in her hands like cross.
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Like she has almost like a seizure is what it looks like
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the cinematography was we'll get this out of the way is
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wonderful. Oh my God, the show is shot
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incredibly well, it is gorgeous. A+ on that right away.
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So let's get that out of the cinematography is great.
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The show. Looks amazing.
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It does not weigh effects. Are great.
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Yep! I said that immediately in the
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server we were watching with this does not look cheap.
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No. It doesn't look like good.
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It looks really like, it looks like, you know, there's I hate
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to keep comparing and I'm not trying to poke the looks cheap.
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We bitched all the time about the CGI because it's all they
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did was spend all their money on CGI but then it didn't look
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good. Whereas like okay, Addicts are
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also pairing and continue, right?
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It's Jules birthday. Sarah's falls asleep on his lap
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and then, you know, Tommy calls Joel, which, I like that too.
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As we never knew when we were in the game, we never knew why Joel
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was gone. Yeah, now we do is he.
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Yeah, and now we know why he was gone and, and that has to be the
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reason because Neil druckmann worked on the fucking show.
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Exactly. So it's like, it's, you know,
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same thing, right? You always want like, you know,
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if you were a huge fan, you're always wondering, well, why was
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Joel gone at like 2:00 in the The morning, what we see ya and
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it's like now you know, what he was doing Tommy was being Tommy?
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Well in Tommy also seem to have come into contact with what the
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fungus was or whatever. Anyway, because he said some
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crazy guy came in and started wailing on somebody.
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Yeah. And he's like I punched him and,
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you know, now, I'm in jail. You need to bail me out.
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Otherwise, I'm going to be here until Monday.
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Yeah. And so Joe goes to bail him out.
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Sarah goes back to this, this her neighbor's house, where she
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was with earlier, with the old woman freaking out and her will
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she gets, you know, she Except because of the, their dog Mercy
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starts, banging on the door and when she tries to bring Mercy
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back, Mercy is fighting so hard. That his collar comes off dog
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was like I'm that dog was out that dog was out he's like you
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didn't play the game bro. Look kid I know what happens
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yeah you don't Sarah goes in almost slipped on some blood on
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the floor which I thought was really, really cool.
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I love that whole, little interaction in the kitchen.
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She finds the old man. That's her neighbor.
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He's He's bleeding from his neck, she goes over to her this
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old woman's daughter who she was talking to and making raisin
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cookies with her earlier in the day.
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She's dead. And their mom is biting her neck
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which I thought was an interesting touches that they
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don't eat them. Like they just seemed to hover
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over like their body but it but it was almost like they were
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sleeping like yeah. Like they're very quiet and they
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don't they're easily Disturbed and then as soon as that happens
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this old lady He's chasing Sarah, Sarah gets out, just as
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Joel gets there and you'll waxer with a wrench again, we will try
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not to spoil too much. So yeah, that's very nice.
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We're gonna be looking for careful but that's setting it
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up. Yeah, so the Escape next match
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we're not going so well, let's do this.
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We won't detail seeds but we will bring will use words like
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yes. So the Escape is obviously what
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happens after. Yeah, there are some things
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right, that are yeah like I thought it was Awesome.
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Took a lot of direction from the game where we're inside the car
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and we're slowly panning from interesting shots.
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Yeah, the house on fire is Will is one.
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That's always really called back to from the game that people
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remember and Joel telling Tommy to leave that family on the side
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of the road, dude, I was like, yep, that's troll.
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Which, which I love seeing that though because, you know, as a
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person playing the game, you go like, oh yeah.
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He's a pretty. Like, he just wants to save
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everybody but you get to see. In a TV show, being a different
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medium. You get to see Sarah's reaction
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to her dad's choice. And you can see Tommy react as
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well. Reschedule, it's fucked up, man.
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Like he doesn't like that his and his words were somebody else
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will come along the way and I went.
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Yeah, yeah. And and you can tell with pagers
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acting which is so superb. He's fantastic.
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Where he he says it and it's almost like he doesn't even
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believe what he's saying. He's just kept telling him and
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Sarah and Tommy that That I don't remember.
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I really can't. There's a sticker on the back of
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the of their truck that says, it's like an operation, like
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Desert War veteran or somebody out there Desert Storm.
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Is that Tommy? I believe it probably is.
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All right. I think it'd be Tommy.
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So that's another interesting thing to where it's as far as we
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know as of now both from the games and the show, Joel didn't
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serve. So it's pretty interesting to
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see him take this path whereas you'd almost expect Tommy to be
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more like that, right? Like Right.
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Where is it? Joel is immediately.
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It's almost like a switch and he's like, nope, leave these
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people behind. We gotta save Sarah.
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Like, we gotta get to the river, we gotta just go wherever,
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right? Um, but with the Escape I wanted
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to, to say, I love that town scene, which is from the game as
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well, and they've really nailed that chaos especially where they
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mostly. I think that entire scene pretty
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much, except for just the very beginning, when they get, there
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is entirely shot from inside the car.
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Yeah. So, Adds to the freaked out.
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You know you got Tommy saying from the game.
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He's like I can't just drive through them and it was like
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Jose basically about sound like just do it anyway.
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It doesn't matter, speed up, speed up back in a bag and they
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got me anyway because I was expecting the car crash to
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happen, which is what happens in the games but they faked us out
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with that. Yeah, it doesn't happen.
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Exactly that way. But I was going to say when you
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were talking about the effects The explosion looked really
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good, which I was, I was like, that's probably if I had to
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guess, that's probably most of that scenes level of effects.
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I mean, there's really not a whole lot.
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Done in terms of any infected that I can recall.
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I do love though, that I think that the tendrils on the in the
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mouths look really good too, which is a nice because they
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don't look like they have to be super, not a, not expensive, but
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they don't have to be super detailed, right?
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Like, you can get what it is without it being some super
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detailed level of CGI, but it still looks good, though, but it
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still looks good, right? Yeah.
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Like so I love that. But yeah.
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Just about the effects. I was going to say that
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explosion is very, very nice. Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah. So from there it just the show,
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it does a lot. So a lot of people going, I
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don't wonder if they're going to do it and wonder if you're gonna
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do it and they did it. Oh my God.
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I mean, it's it follows pretty much the entire first hour and a
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half, two hours at the game. Pretty much I'm talking about
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the specific. You I know what you're talking
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about and they, we have to say, see this fucking show, man.
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Should we just say spoiler? Yes.
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Earlier it right here. If you haven't seen the show,
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just go fucking watch it. I think they were going to
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really there was a part of me that didn't think they were
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going to show it when Sarah gets shot and goes, it was frame for
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frame. The same as the game.
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It was, it was the same as when the falling and rolling down the
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hill, the, the shot to the stomach.
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I'm here Tommy. Yeah, Yeah.
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Well yeah, to her and to they showed a bit more of jewels
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wound whereas I think in the game it's pretty much just shows
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his shirts red and he's holding his hand.
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There you guys like raised pretty much of them.
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Yeah you see it was grazed in the In the show, you see, you
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know, Tommy shooting the guy in the side of the head, the, the
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soldier, and then, yeah, the entire very, very sad scene of
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Jewel, trying to and, you know, I was waiting for my dad or my
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brother or sister to be like why isn't Tommy helping?
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And it's because Tommy in the show, he already knew it before,
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anything. So that's why he was just kind
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of sitting there watching, because it's, like, what is he
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going to do, right? Like, you can't, he's not gonna
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get in the way of Joel trying to help her certainly so, Yeah I
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teared up. I was you know I mean Alex that
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as well it sounds Rock it's the said it's a sad thing to watch
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and it's pretty crazy because, you know, we see a lot of things
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in games that are pretty messed up, but it's a that her prying
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or like, you know, the noise she makes is just what is what gets
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me. Oh, shows Last Breath, it shows
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the fucking death death, shakes it, show it show.
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It shows all of it and it doesn't even talk.
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No, she can't. And I would say this is this was
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way harder to watch because it's live action than the game.
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Oh yeah. Way rougher to relive that
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because it's actors doing it. Oh yeah, it's shot wonderfully,
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despite the scene happening, but it doesn't cut a lot, right?
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It's pretty much one solid. Yeah.
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You know, follow on it and if there are Cuts they're not bad,
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right? They don't know they're
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necessary. Yeah.
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And I love There's no, there's no extra, not fat, but there's
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nothing added on. Right?
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Is larger padding, there was like, this is what happened, you
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know, what happens here, here's the see, here it is, and then
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there's nothing after that, right?
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We just go right to how the game would 21 years later.
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Yeah, which is just wild to me to see it.
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Like, that's the thing is, it's just you're watching as a fan,
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you're watching it going. Oh my God, like this is the
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game. This is what I have played and
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I'm watching actors, do it. And I'm seeing it, play out in a
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way that is familiar, but just knew enough to where I'm like,
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you know, there were a couple times where I was like, wow, you
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know, I'm watching it and it's just like the game and I don't
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have a problem with it, like, right?
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Like a lot of people would say that about like The Walking
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Dead, you know, where it's like they had to deviate from the
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comics because people would just follow along and it's like I
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think that's where they almost kind of screwed up as it's like
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do you really have To deviate so much know you don't.
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And this shows why you don't have to because you can add that
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extra bit of padding to fill out the day that you don't fully see
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ya and that's what this show does and it does it.
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Well it doesn't add a bunch of stupid bullshit.
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Like we don't see in the game right?
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You just see Sarah, give him the watch at the end of the day, you
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know, it's pretty it's pretty cut and dry.
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Where is no you get to follow Sarah through her day at school,
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a little like at the end of at the end of the day, you get to
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see your go and get the watch. Fixed and you get all these
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little details about what's happening.
22:39
You see your go over to the neighbors after school and and
22:43
watch the old lady freaked out behind her.
22:44
Right? You know, you get to see all
22:46
these little things and you know, the same scene happens
22:51
right there, sit on the couch. He's like how did you pay for
22:53
this? And she's like drugs.
22:54
And you know it's just those nice little things of, you know,
22:57
as a fan it's fan service but it's good and then you have for
23:00
people who have never played them going like this is great
23:04
writing and it's because it was when it came out.
23:06
You know, right? Exactly.
23:07
It was great writing and it's like, that's what it is.
23:10
So yeah. So now we're in Boston.
23:13
Yeah, and can we, can we just talk about that kid at the
23:18
beginning. Oh my God.
23:20
Once you, spoiler alert, Nick doesn't like that.
23:23
I want to keep talking about it. He's like we have to do it and
23:26
no, it's too late. You can't talk about this
23:29
episode really without talking about the meat of the episode.
23:32
He really can't. I feel like the this could be a
23:35
The series to do because take, you can't not explain what's
23:39
happening that kid first off those Osiris's buddy.
23:43
I'm so glad those things died off.
23:45
When they did shoes, you were wearing.
23:48
Yeah, I thought they were pretty bad.
23:49
So like the little dude is walking up, gets in to Boston,
23:55
gets into the fucking keys Zone, the qz.
24:01
It's rough strapped to a fucking chair and you're like, okay cool
24:05
whatever there because I know what's happening, they're going
24:08
to see if he's in fact. Yeah.
24:10
They test them and very slyly the guy points, the tester to
24:17
the cop and he's like, it's right.
24:20
Yeah, it's red fucking infected. So, whatever.
24:24
The cop then, dude, it's rough. Cuz she's, like, you over to get
24:27
you some food that you want your favorite food, your toys.
24:31
Yeah. Fucking to be flash forward to a
24:34
cremation pit. That Troy is working at.
24:38
Yep. And a woman sits there and is
24:39
like you know the another truck comes up with some bodies and
24:43
the woman is like I can't do this Joel you know fix this kid
24:47
up. It was now a fucking got a bag
24:49
over his fucking head and you want to see the shoes like oh
24:54
fuck, it's the kid and Joel just saw cement.
24:57
Well, he's in its so nonchalant, it's not like even toss them.
24:59
It's like he just Ops, like he does.
25:01
Yeah, put the effort in to throw them or do you know what I'm
25:04
fucking saying? No, but that's what I'm saying
25:06
is like, he's so emotionally. I mean, he looks at it and, I
25:09
mean, peace. Carrying the kid just the way he
25:12
carried. Sarah, like, you know, it's goes
25:14
well which I love again that show not telling thing where
25:19
it's like he doesn't have to you know, you get it right and we
25:21
you get it. It's red is back.
25:23
Good. Green is okay.
25:24
Like and and you see that cop, she has this look of I've done
25:28
this way too many times in a Person should to anybody to
25:32
kids, adults, whatever. Like everyone in this world is
25:35
broke. That's the thing.
25:37
That is very quickly shown to you.
25:40
If you didn't play the game, everyone is a broken Beatdown
25:44
human. Trying to fucking make it to
25:46
tomorrow, they're just yeah, it's brutal.
25:49
I mean, you know, you got ya like the woman saying, you know,
25:52
I just can't do this. Like Joel is sitting there.
25:56
He's like it's like he doesn't want to do this but it's almost
25:59
like I said, it's just And a switch for him.
26:01
I don't know. And that's something I really
26:03
hope we get to explore throughout this season.
26:05
Is why is Joel Joel? Like, it's almost like he
26:10
seemingly. As far as we know, doesn't
26:12
didn't have a super rough childhood like and again I'm
26:15
assuming this because it's not been told to us yet, but he
26:17
wasn't, he's not a veteran, he didn't have like a traumatic
26:20
childhood as far as we know, for all this stuff, but yet he is so
26:24
willing to do what is necessary, that it scares other people who
26:30
are actually Worse than him like yeah, her about who have been
26:33
through worse where it's, you know, like they have to look at
26:36
him and be like this guy and I think maybe that's the only with
26:39
it. I think that's maybe what makes
26:41
them look at him. That way is because they're,
26:43
like, seemingly. He has had no trauma other than
26:48
obviously losing Sarah. But even before that happens,
26:51
you know, you have Tommy looking at him.
26:53
Like what the hell, man? Like, what's wrong with you?
26:55
You know, and it's like that's really, really Survivorman.
26:59
That's the thing with Joel. Like he is a Survivor.
27:02
He is through and through one. Yeah.
27:04
So you know I mean we get a nice we could probably go through.
27:10
This are part of the show decent kind of like he's a Smuggler.
27:15
Yeah like he's a Smuggler, he's dealing making money man.
27:18
He's making money wife at this point they get a you get like
27:21
ration credits is What Monopoly money got?
27:24
Do you get many? Yeah.
27:25
It looks like Monopoly money pretty much and he's decels.
27:31
Hydrocodone. And which I thought was really
27:39
interesting because, you know, you never, you never saw that in
27:41
the games, right? He then goes and he's he's
27:47
clearly looking for for Tommy. Sorry, that's not really a
27:50
spoiler but it's not a spoiler. I mean it's right there in the
27:53
open, I would say. Yeah so he's doing that.
27:57
He has a pretty nice night to himself.
28:00
Drink. Yeah.
28:01
Mines pay from the day, I woke up and your bachelor party.
28:04
Yeah. Drinking and taking pills and it
28:06
just passing out in bed, a contract that he has to, I mean,
28:12
you can tell he clearly has to do it because there's no way he
28:15
can sleep. Otherwise, like, no, no, he's
28:18
hurt, and he's her still suffering. 20 years later.
28:22
I mean, which, by the way, let's just remember this that puts him
28:25
at 56 years old. Would ageism great too because
28:29
like Pedro, Obviously is Pedro, right?
28:31
Like he's a good guy. I'll go fuck.
28:34
He's a great looking dude. Yeah and when they age and the
28:38
age imperfectly for this portion of the show.
28:42
Yeah, he is 47. So he's actually not too far off
28:46
from where Joel is easy as right, nine years.
28:48
So but yeah, they age him really well.
28:52
Like the there's a lot more like salt and pepper and his hair,
28:55
which I think and it's also like longer and obviously not kept.
29:00
Yeah. So like yeah, they aged him in a
29:03
really good way where it's all, you know, he doesn't have a ton
29:05
of lines on his face and all that kind of stuff like really
29:07
heavy aging, but he looks. Yeah pretty.
29:11
I mean, I would say, decent for a 56 year old who's been doing
29:14
manual labor? It seems but it also has
29:17
grizzled. I would say, I would say, Joel,
29:18
he looks like he looks like he's been through the wringer, you
29:21
know? But he is also on a diet of
29:24
bullshit, food pills and whiskey.
29:27
Yeah. And depression, heavy
29:28
depression, heavy fucking, you know, grief If and sadness and
29:31
it shows it. Listen, the acting, the writing
29:34
the fucking cinematography, at all.
29:37
It all Circle in the direction of the show.
29:40
It all circles in on itself in. It makes this fucking work to a
29:44
does he, you know? So we, you know, before this, we
29:50
are introduced to test. That's a huge player of the
29:53
series phenomenal. Fucking acting from that
29:57
actress, test is a troublemaker and it's hilarious to see her
30:00
getting in trouble. Basically, I was I was curious
30:04
almost at a point in that little scene when she's talking To
30:07
Robert with the two guys behind him like who is dictating this
30:09
conversation? Like because it's it seems to be
30:12
Robert because it's those two guys behind him.
30:14
But at the same time, Tess is also just giving him the
30:16
business. Give it a fucking shit, dude.
30:19
Oh my God. She didn't win this.
30:20
Yeah, she does not care and then some some Firefly stuff goes
30:27
down. Let's say, yeah, Roberts out,
30:30
which I thought was kind of funny.
30:31
He's just gone like it's just he's just he disappeared.
30:35
Like it's just, there's no. He knows Joel's coming to get
30:38
his ass. Well, you can tell that entire
30:40
time, he's like fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck like big wide.
30:43
You idiots have to do this. Yeah, he's all.
30:45
That's why he brings her in there because he's like, well
30:47
no. What do I do?
30:48
Like they roughed you up and she's like, punish them.
30:49
I don't care. But like mine because I've been
30:52
watching peaky. Oh yeah.
30:54
Like, would you fight with Shelby and then you see Tommy
30:57
walking? You're like, you really like all
31:00
the breath is gone from your lungs.
31:02
You're like, oh, this is not gonna end well, you're fucked.
31:04
You're just like ah, fuck like yeah.
31:06
Yeah. Yeah.
31:07
Joel Miller coming after you. Well, which I love though, right
31:10
is, it's like, you know and she's telling Robert.
31:13
Yeah, no I like my guy listens to what I say, don't worry about
31:17
it and it's like I said, are gone, like you shouldn't trust,
31:20
anything she's saying? No, that's going good.
31:24
And then, yeah, we go back. It's the morning Tess has made
31:28
this is over a car battery, by the way.
31:29
A truck battery. Joel's trying to get a truck
31:31
going. Yeah, it's all we're gonna say
31:33
about that. Yeah, he's trying to get his
31:34
truck on and Yet test makes him a cup of coffee and immediately,
31:40
Joe goes into protective mode as soon as he sees her eye and her
31:43
like face. Yeah.
31:45
Oh and we should, I think I can I could mention this, she gets
31:49
caught by fedra because she's trying to leave after the
31:52
Firefly attack and she's she's not a firefly but she's you
31:55
know, this is this is like the government at this point.
31:59
So they really don't care. No, they don't give a fuck
32:02
better duck. So yeah.
32:04
Now so you know, Jules like Who did this bla bla test tells him
32:09
and she goes, I promise Robert that you wouldn't hurt him, but
32:12
I would very much like you to hurt him.
32:14
Yeah, I thought was awesome. They go to find him.
32:20
Love that scene between Joel and that random guy that comes up.
32:24
You tell me to look for the light.
32:25
I'm gonna break your fucking jaw.
32:27
I accept lost my shit, dude. There's no change in his face at
32:33
all. He doesn't even he's watching
32:34
test. And this guy comes up and he's
32:36
like, Don't, I don't want anything from you and he's like,
32:39
say it like, yeah, test me right now.
32:44
So, yeah, that was, that was great.
32:45
Again, we talked about the cinematography, I love when
32:49
they're walking through the rest of that little like Camp.
32:52
I guess you call it. Yeah, don't you like stuff in
32:55
the back alley? I love that shot where I was
32:57
almost getting a little anxious where it was letting them walk
33:00
further and further away while the camera was kind of slowing
33:02
down its following. But then, yeah, I mean Nothing
33:07
crazy happens. But I just, again, like, I just
33:08
love the cinematography of it, of how they're shooting it, you
33:11
know. It's yeah.
33:12
Yeah, traditional things. But then you have these others
33:14
like shots that look really good.
33:16
In that clearly, take inspiration from the game to a
33:20
did we mention? We've already been introduced to
33:22
Ellie by the way. Sorry, guys.
33:23
Oh my God. Yeah, we can.
33:25
How could we forget that? Because I'm trying, it's already
33:28
fucked. If you haven't seen it, you're
33:30
already fucked. If you listen to this, I can't
33:33
imagine people would like wouldn't nobody sweetie.
33:35
Just put a spoiler thing on. Point.
33:37
I'm going to recommit a rear. I'm going to record a little
33:39
thing before. Okay, release it, imagine people
33:43
aren't going to see this show before this episode.
33:46
Yeah. Or you know, if you're looking
33:48
to just get go and say like, oh, should we should I watch it?
33:51
I mean, you should, I mean, you'd know by now you need to
33:55
watch this, you know, this is must-see television.
33:57
I don't give a fuck. Yeah, the reviews were right?
34:00
This is must see that was the thing, right?
34:03
We got so, like ripped off with the Halo show because all the
34:06
have you said it was good and then it wasn't and it's I was
34:09
just I was like they did this huge.
34:12
We're going to deviate a bit. They did this huge marketing for
34:15
last of us as well. We're only for a launch party.
34:19
Yeah do the whole me from metalcore nerds went to the
34:22
premiere one of the piers. Yeah.
34:24
And there is a Premiere party where the fireflies would
34:27
volunteers would show you around the theater and give you your
34:31
rations, which is a box of popcorn with the Federal logo.
34:34
They did a lot. So I'm like, okay, are they?
34:36
God for how fucked this is about to be because some some
34:39
companies will go all fuck. We got a steak burger on our
34:42
hands may as well. Make it look Grant.
34:44
Look at Resident Evil Resident Evil, fucking yeah.
34:47
Had this huge thing in Times Square where the liquor was on
34:51
the buildings and lives 3D affected and it was insane.
34:55
And it made you think this could be it.
34:57
They know. And then wasn't in the botched
34:59
it. Yeah, they've asked that show.
35:00
It was not, this is not that go wash this fucking show it.
35:04
The critics are correct. T'.
35:07
Yeah, and it's coming from people that haven't played the
35:09
game as well as people who have like this is.
35:12
This is literally, I has attained to say this and I know
35:16
that it's not the craziest thing in the world.
35:18
But I think in terms of video game adaptations, this is like
35:22
like a historical marker. You have to put this down wagon
35:25
but I said yeah. Like in the story of like we
35:28
know how video game adaptations go when it comes to TV and
35:31
Hollywood, it's just not good. Like you have like the Doom game
35:34
or the do movie, right? You have Watch it every year.
35:38
I know I should. You're like fuck off.
35:40
Yeah. Whatever.
35:41
Our ignore that. Sorry cut that.
35:43
But like, you know, you have bad adaptations all the time and
35:47
it's you know like you said like we talked there are some good
35:51
ones but usually they're from stories or games that don't have
35:55
to have like a specific for billion lines.
35:59
Yeah but it doesn't have to follow specific has have a
36:02
formula but the gift of the characters but you don't you can
36:05
create a story. On your I ask this.
36:09
Do you think looking at The Witcher?
36:12
And I understand you. Well do books too.
36:15
Yeah, the books. But if the game didn't exist,
36:20
I'm telling you this show on. Netflix wouldn't?
36:23
Yeah, they wouldn't have made it.
36:25
No, they would so well and to not deviate too far.
36:28
Sorry I didn't mean to hurt, but I know you're good.
36:30
Like, that's I believe why it hasn't been confirmed, but
36:33
that's why Henry Cavill is leaving because they keep trying
36:35
to make it more. Like the Hymns.
36:37
And he's like, follow the books because that's like we can write
36:41
a great man with the game. And yeah, you already have them,
36:45
right? There's no need to go crazy and
36:47
do all that other stuff. So I understand completely has
36:50
his point of that, right? It's like, no, no, just just let
36:54
it breathe. And that's why I now he's
36:56
leaving, and I think Netflix is making a terrible decision by
36:58
recasting him, just just, just, it just means just means they
37:02
pump too much. Yeah.
37:03
They just put too much money into it and now they have to
37:06
save face. Sore.
37:07
I don't know what they're planning to do but it's not
37:08
going to work but my question is this?
37:11
Yeah. Do you think from seeing the
37:13
Because The Witcher was and is a success it is one of its good
37:17
again. I don't give a fuck, people say
37:19
I'm going to call it a video game adaptation because without
37:21
the game it would not be here. So I think I think they're all
37:23
good one. Just to see how many seasons are
37:26
in that through so far. There's two so far to solve our
37:29
were working up to three, but do you think the writers for this
37:32
one? Okay, this saw The Witcher did
37:33
it. Let's do that better but also
37:36
let's follow. Follow what The Witcher did do
37:37
degree because what The Witcher does is phenomenal for that
37:41
series. So to see that do so.
37:44
Well. Yeah, you have a blueprint
37:47
almost right there. But what they did here was go,
37:50
cool. That did really good.
37:51
It shows that we can do this. Let's do our own thing because
37:55
they did do their own thing. Yeah, let's do our own thing.
37:58
Well, it's not remember, let's not forget that this did come
38:00
out and this succeeded. Therefore, we can to I think
38:04
that I think that they, they had to have obviously looked at the
38:08
history of it, right? They know what's bad, they know
38:10
what's good or they know what works.
38:12
I would say like like The Witcher is a good adaptation but
38:15
it also had a helping write it had a helping of both books and
38:18
games to work with whereas this obviously only has two games I'm
38:24
including the deal soon. Comic book.
38:26
Yeah there's a comic book but nothing crazy that was written
38:29
before it and all that kind of stuff.
38:31
And I think that there was a great, I was reading an
38:34
interview that was interviewing, I think Neil druckmann talking
38:38
about Craig Mazin, who did Chernobyl, which if you haven't
38:41
seen Chernobyl it's a A stick series and I love putting the
38:45
dive into, oh my God, it's terrifying, like, which is
38:49
hilarious, because I, you know, I'm not a big scary movie type
38:52
of person. I don't like for most of the
38:53
time, but like, if I had to watch like, recommendation of
38:57
scary movies from Nick and Alex, I would probably still say the
39:00
Chernobyl as a series is scarier because it all actually happened
39:05
and it's also just way more different in terms of a scale
39:10
thing but Craig He did Chernobyl so well like right.
39:15
It is honestly still a one of my top 10 TV shows ever.
39:19
It's fantastic. And I think that he apparently
39:24
was a huge fan of the game like he loved the games and Neal said
39:32
he didn't have to like they asked him like did you have like
39:35
a list of things to show him and be like these things you don't
39:38
change and Neil was like I didn't have to make a list
39:42
because her Already knew what had to stay.
39:44
And it's I mean if you, if you've played the games, you
39:46
know what's obvious, right? Like if we had watch this and
39:50
Sarah did not dived. Yeah yeah like yeah.
39:53
If she lived I would have been like you've already ruined it.
39:57
I mean you Joel is what I turned it off - yeah Joel is not Joel.
40:03
Now what what's his purpose for doing anything at that point
40:06
right? Exactly and and we saw as well
40:09
there's a if you have watched the show and you stopped right
40:12
when the It's World. There is like a little teaser of
40:15
what's to come. And another like behind the
40:19
scenes, like inside the show thing, which I love the HBO,
40:21
does that where they talked about that too, and they kind of
40:25
detailed this stuff because I was funny.
40:27
I think Alex pointed it out, when you guys were watching it
40:29
at the end, Sara L, he's enjoying something and that one
40:33
of that out. Matt pointed it out.
40:35
Yeah. Well, he's enjoying watching
40:37
something happen, which we will talk about in a bit.
40:39
But um, You know, and he goes L, he's enjoying it whereas Sarah
40:43
wouldn't and that's exactly what they're trying to show and they
40:48
said, you know, you have to fall in love with Sarah and it's like
40:50
I did like, I thought, seeing all this extra stuff about her,
40:54
I was like, she's nice. She's funny, she's got this
40:58
great sense of humor but she's also she helps out the
41:00
neighbors, you know, take care of their mom and, you know, she
41:04
helps around with them. She's clearly like a nice person
41:07
and You watch her, get ripped away, which is sad.
41:13
It's terrifying. I mean violently and for no good
41:18
reason either. Like, you know, they're clearly
41:21
not infected. And this guy just does it
41:24
because somebody on the radio, told them do like, Irish is just
41:27
so yeah, which only makes it hurt more.
41:30
Right. It's not like he had his own
41:32
sort of idea of like maybe they are.
41:33
You know, I did see something funny happen.
41:35
It's like he was like, yo, I got these two people here in some
41:38
kind, the And just went blast them and he had to do it, right.
41:41
Which I thought in itself was funny, it's like he could have
41:44
just not done anything and nothing would have happened ROM.
41:47
But anyway, so yeah, I don't think that.
41:51
I think that they looked at The Witcher and they were like,
41:53
yeah, this is a great adaptation and we obviously are going to do
41:57
our own thing. Whereas I didn't I have not read
42:00
the books or play the games of The Witcher.
42:02
So I have no idea how accurate they are in terms of relating to
42:06
the rest of the stuff. But obviously, as a Major fan of
42:09
this franchise. I could say that this is like
42:11
it's pretty much the first two hours of the game.
42:14
Like with some lovely extra you know, desserts sprinkled around.
42:19
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
42:21
And I think to go back to the show.
42:24
Yes you pointed out. We've met Ellie in quite a
42:28
lovely way. I love the count to 10 for me.
42:35
Yeah she got all the way. Yeah yeah.
42:37
She's Over it and they she's giving them a fake name which is
42:41
again like my brother said and and I'm sure like other people
42:45
have thought and I'm sure posted about right?
42:48
She doesn't look like Ellie no she doesn't but she has the, she
42:52
is Ellie, she's got the same sense of humor.
42:55
The same sense of wonder the same sense of, you know, like
42:59
she's smart as hell. I mean, yeah, she figures out
43:02
that code or whatever like that. Like she said she sees be off
43:07
and she is She's being a bitch is like going Frank and it's
43:11
like that and Joel legs are like what like how do you know he's
43:15
not say shit till test came in. He was like, dude, chill the
43:17
fuck out? Yeah, well, yeah, well, she's
43:20
figuring out the code and she totally just flips.
43:23
Her flip them around with that, you know, like she goes, oh, you
43:27
know, something came on and she says, an 80s song and she
43:29
figures out what that means. It's yeah, it's like, you know,
43:32
my I could see my dad kind of smile and it's like, yeah, she's
43:35
not a stereotypical like she's just some girl that he's Got a,
43:38
you know he's cargo right? She's got her own wit and her
43:42
own sense of she wants to do her own thing but yeah I love that
43:50
Marlene is pretty cool. Yeah I think she does a great
43:54
job as just I mean she is Marlene obviously right from
43:58
both game and now and a TV. There's no there's no cool like
44:02
she's really good compared to you know she is that person I
44:06
think she's great like II. Remember in the first game, you
44:10
know, I was I liked her but I was kind of also apprehensive
44:13
because I just thought maybe there's something she's not
44:16
telling me. But in this, I just, I enjoy
44:20
her. You know, I think she's a great
44:23
person and in terms of the casting, I think she's perfect
44:26
obviously, but your scene killed me.
44:29
Oh, you will. I love her.
44:31
She is very, you're having here on your fucking head.
44:35
Yeah, she goes. He goes, holy shit.
44:38
Doesn't. Yeah.
44:40
Well that was some of this shit because some of that was
44:44
hilarious. Yeah.
44:46
And there was a scene that same scene where I love how Joel
44:54
throws a lien but wall. Oh my God.
44:56
It just, it was like, all right, let's get out of here.
45:00
Didn't even think twice about it and I love yes.
45:04
Like, they're like, yeah, well here's what you'll do for me
45:06
because all these people are dead.
45:09
And they go back to like have a sidebar and Marley just like, by
45:11
the way, I am bleeding. I'm bleeding out, don't forget.
45:17
So, yeah, I love that. I thought that whole thing.
45:19
And again, that's a major change from the game.
45:23
That none of, that happens in the game, really?
45:26
You don't know. I don't, I'd be having to call
45:30
back very specifically to certain dialogue, but I don't
45:33
believe that it's explained as to why Marlene was bleeding in
45:36
the game. Like, what happened to her?
45:37
I don't believe so. So I don't think she explains
45:39
why, whereas you get that now, you, you know why?
45:43
And you know what's happening and, you know, Robert comes into
45:48
play, Still without it, having to be a whole sidebar, which I
45:51
understood, why, is they said, they didn't want to use as much
45:53
violence because that's how you build a relationship as a as a
45:56
game. You build a relationship because
45:58
you have to do that, but there was realistically, there was no
46:01
need for you and Tess to go through an entire section of
46:05
just silently choking people out and getting too.
46:08
Robert, you didn't have to do that.
46:10
Nope. So I thought that was really
46:12
cool almost. It'd be almost be something.
46:14
Whereas like I'd rather dim take that entire thing out and
46:18
replace it with what we got in the show and the game as like a
46:21
4 part 1 or something, you know what I mean?
46:22
Like it almost fit better to me which is so incredible.
46:26
It's like there's not one thing I'd change about it because they
46:30
made their own changes that work so well and I think that you
46:34
have a DD the point you brought up about The Witcher.
46:37
I think this shows Secret Weapon.
46:38
Is that you had the guy who wrote the games working on the
46:41
show? Let's all go to bring up.
46:42
Do you think some of the changes here are coming that came from,
46:47
you know, the show is also a bit of Neil druckmann in retrospect
46:51
going. If I could have went back I
46:54
would have done some of this instead of what I did do.
46:58
Yeah II one of those interviews I read I believe he said he had
47:01
the that idea for a game like that years ago like before he
47:06
was even working on Uncharted. He had a I'd like a dream of
47:10
doing that. Like that was the story he
47:12
wanted to make and it obviously over time, right?
47:16
Those ideas and stories get flushed out of order.
47:19
Yeah. Right.
47:19
And it's so he finally able to make it in 2013, you made the
47:23
game and I remember actually, Sam Raimi was, I guess supposed
47:28
to make a movie about it? But, you know, Executives kept
47:31
telling them to do, they kept talking to me o taught them to
47:34
do, crazy stuff, o'may, Kelly older, make her a love interest,
47:37
right? And he's like, it doesn't Don't
47:38
work well Sam. Raimi said no to Sam raimi's.
47:41
I'm done. Yeah, died.
47:43
From what? I recall of that article he was
47:45
like, I'm not doing that. This is this guy shit, Sam
47:49
raimi's, a true and true, you know?
47:50
I mean, that's a fucking Raimi. Yeah.
47:52
So like, you know, and that's the same thing, right?
47:55
It's always that studio, stop right where they're like, oh, we
47:58
needs to appeal to the masses, right?
48:00
And and, you know, Neil druckmann was like, this is the
48:03
story in the reason it works, is because of this, it will appeal
48:07
to the masses if you do it. Like this if you do it right?
48:10
Like, that's what that's the funniest thing.
48:12
And it's almost like it's almost like, you know, house like the
48:16
TV show where it's like, you never believed that guy is on
48:19
the right track because he always recommends crazy stuff.
48:22
He's like this person has a certain type of cancer so let's
48:24
give them HIV in there. Like that won't tell us anything
48:27
and he's like, okay watch it. And then he's right every
48:30
episode and they keep disagreeing they keep thinking
48:33
he's going to be crazy and wrong one day and it's like it's the
48:36
same thing with this. It's like they're like oh, make
48:37
her older make Her prettier make her do this, make sure that.
48:40
And it's like nails. Like if you trust me this will
48:43
be fantastic, right? And that's obviously what HBO
48:46
did. Well, HBO absolutely trusted
48:48
him. I mean, I think it was rolling
48:50
stone. That said this is HBO's next big
48:51
hit and honestly, I wouldn't put it past them.
48:54
This is, this is going to be available for Emmys if it wins
48:57
an Emmy next year. That's, that's it.
48:59
This paves. I'm afraid of the Marvel.
49:02
Ask boom, though. That will come after this, but
49:06
this paves the way for a major Looking at applications to
49:09
possibly happen, it truly fucking does.
49:12
You've already got God of War that's being made Amazon Amazon,
49:16
Amazon fucked, Lord of the Rings up bad.
49:19
That's what I've heard. I haven't so that scares me.
49:22
If HBO can just keep all this shit, keep it off.
49:24
Netflix, he opposed to the way from.
49:26
Yeah, keep all the stuff away from Netflix.
49:28
Like, it's hilarious. How like everybody uses Netflix
49:31
to a degree at most people do? Yeah, and I certainly am one of
49:34
them were watching peaky, blinders on it, but it's just
49:37
hilarious because it's like like I see an article pop up every
49:40
day about how enough place cancels, another show after its
49:42
first season. It's like, you know, that they
49:44
would have 100% done that for this.
49:47
We wouldn't have gotten hard to. No, no, we wouldn't have and
49:50
it's hard to use 100% real it right now.
49:53
Oh yeah. HBO is just like, dude, you guys
49:56
got this like, you know, it's gotten great Critic reviews.
49:59
I will check after this, I'm going to check the user reviews
50:02
are like, on Rotten Tomatoes and just see where it's at.
50:05
I think it was sitting at like a 95 critic.
50:08
And like, it is a couple hours ago before the, it even aired,
50:11
it was like 7:00. She hasn't it already had an 86%
50:15
users for certified fresh so like yeah, it's fantastic.
50:22
I mean, I can't say it enough. I think they've done where what
50:27
nobody else has been able to do is like, make it.
50:32
And, you know, you don't have to change a winning formula, you
50:35
don't have to change a winning story, you have you have a story
50:39
that is going to appeal to two people and lots of them and just
50:44
trust the people who made it and a guy who also made a really
50:47
successful miniseries for you that also won awards.
50:51
Trust us, we're going to do this, right?
50:53
And it's not going to be some corny Paramount's thing was
50:57
like, yeah, we're going to give you, I don't even know what they
50:59
said. It was like 10 million per
51:00
episode for Halo to do a budget thing.
51:03
And it's like they had, they had guns that did even have textures
51:06
on them, like they were just great.
51:08
G.i. to weapon when they didn't have to and it whatever we're
51:11
not doing this right now. No.
51:14
But but you know, you see what I'm saying?
51:15
Like you also have obviously different tones in both those
51:19
stories where as this is very much real, there is no crazy,
51:22
sci-fi stuff. Type of story works.
51:25
It works. And it's what people love.
51:27
It's what it's familiar to. What zombies do agree, though?
51:30
I know the term zombie is being thrown around for the show but
51:34
let's just let me recite the words.
51:35
Not look. Let's just well let people yeah,
51:38
I Don't care what? I'm not gonna gate keep the
51:39
fucking last. No, you know I mean I called I
51:42
think I've I'm sure I've called them zombies.
51:45
I call them infected as well. That's 10.
51:46
See what they are. But yeah, I mean they are right.
51:49
Think they are ugly. Looking creatures that Feast on
51:53
your flesh to a degree it but it's familiar television.
51:56
It is nobody. Everybody knows this.
51:58
They know zombies. They know, an apocalyptic story,
52:02
they know brutality, right? I mean that was, that was a
52:05
thing that happened all the time before you had shows like The
52:07
Walking Dead and Game of Thrones.
52:08
Is right where you just, you had characters like that just didn't
52:11
die, you know, like yeah, house is a great example to bring it
52:15
back up. Nobody on that show important if
52:19
I to my knowledge never died like everybody lives through
52:23
that show, right? You had a lot of shows like that
52:25
that were just daily television where nobody passed and it's
52:27
like, then you had The Walking Dead where it's like no major
52:30
characters are going to die. Game of Thrones rattles.
52:32
Game of Thrones. Yeah.
52:32
Sopranos Game of Thrones killed her.
52:34
Yeah. The wire two and Game of Thrones
52:36
killed off like the bride Stark, right?
52:38
At the first. Yeah, you know, you had those
52:40
things. So maybe that might be a little
52:43
incorrect on my part, then in terms of the brutality stuff.
52:45
But like you now have, you know, honestly you've had a mean, I'm
52:51
trying to think of it, right? What's the first episode of a
52:54
show where a major character or somebody, you think to be a
52:57
major character dies, right? Like, you know, I mean we all
53:02
you and I knew it was coming but like my mom, she's got no idea
53:06
when she watches this tomorrow. Like this is Is.
53:10
Because I'm I want to talk more about the story but we talked so
53:14
much about the fucking story. I want to focus.
53:16
Just yeah thoughts to but this is a show a video game
53:22
adaptation that if you didn't play the game you can watch this
53:27
blindly. And I know it'll work as so you
53:32
don't have to know the game, you don't have to play the game even
53:35
if you watch us and you know it's a video game adaptation.
53:38
Doesn't feel like a video game adaptation because again of what
53:42
they've given us is quality here, so it's quality.
53:47
If I didn't play The Last of Us and and this came out, I feel
53:51
like this is a great show. Where does this come from?
53:54
Yeah, and I'd be like, oh, naughty dog.
53:57
And you be like, What Studios that and I'd be like, oh, they
53:59
make video games and you might hear about the last of us.
54:01
I don't think I'd be doing a video game podcast, but right,
54:04
but still, regardless, my point stands with this this.
54:07
Yes, it, you phenomenal, you could take somebody who's never
54:14
played the games so like as an example, take Noah, yeah, he's
54:18
never played the games. He could watch the show from
54:22
episode 12, episode 9 and he would be able to talk to me and
54:26
I'd be able to go in. Nope, yeah, that happens in the
54:29
game that happens in the game. I'd obviously, there would be
54:31
some things that are different, but not different to the point
54:34
where it's like the same. Like, if you think of it this
54:37
way, take all the characters we have a live at the beginning of
54:41
the first game and everybody alive at the beginning of the
54:44
show. And when you end it on the show,
54:46
like you end where the show ends in terms of the game's story and
54:50
pacing as well. Everybody is where they should
54:52
be, nobody is allowed. That should be dead and nobody
54:54
is dead. That should be alive.
54:56
Everybody is, is matching Thing in terms of where they belong
55:00
and, and not only that but also in location.
55:02
Like yeah, the same story has happened for everybody, it's
55:06
just that you've taken different paths to get there but not
55:10
anything that has a continuity error like, you know.
55:14
So yeah, I think you could you could absolutely have somebody.
55:17
I mean well be testing, it kind of in my own like with my
55:21
family, right? My sister's never played them as
55:23
far as I know and my mom's never played them.
55:25
So you know, I And talk to them about the if I didn't watch the
55:30
show and they did, I could still communicate with them about the
55:33
story because I know I'm like yeah this happened and this and
55:37
that's only off the first episode right I did see
55:39
something about episode 3 is going to kind of change some
55:42
things. Yeah something they said that
55:45
fans of the series might not like I don't know if I really
55:49
believe them at this point, like I think I'm going to like it.
55:53
Like I'm going to at least understand it.
55:56
It certainly looks like that. Steve, that episode is going to
55:59
be a flashback episode or mixed in.
56:02
I also know it only revolves around Bill and Frank, right?
56:06
Which I think is also pretty ballsy.
56:08
You have a 9 episode thing, you're devoting an entire 12
56:12
characters that again in terms of the game you only see them
56:16
for a section. Yeah so to have an entire
56:20
episode dedicated to fleshing out their characters and showing
56:23
where they're currently at and all that kind of stuff.
56:26
I am very excited to see See every single, if it dropped all
56:31
today, like, if they dropped every single episode today, I
56:33
would not be talking to you. I'd be watching.
56:35
I would be, I would finish it like tonight, I've been
56:38
watching. I probably finish it.
56:40
Like, I wouldn't even care. But, yeah, I think that I'm
56:45
excited to hear everybody. That hasn't played the game in
56:47
the Discord, talk about it, like I see who's in right now.
56:51
Like, I want, I want these people to watch this show and be
56:57
like, now, you're going to play the game like exactly, you know,
57:01
and you know perfect timing because the part one edition
57:04
comes out on PC and March. So it actually gearing right
57:07
out, it would actually come out. The series would probably end
57:10
and then the next week the game will go live.
57:12
We're sorry about the show, is that it ended today.
57:14
So ya know, I would honestly say the same thing I was I was
57:19
hoping because I was checking my watch so I'm like, oh it's we
57:22
started like right at night. It's 10:20, I heard.
57:23
It was an hour and a half. We got like ten minutes left and
57:26
then it cut to the credits. I was like, what?
57:29
No. It's like I want to see more,
57:31
but they ended it on such a great.
57:33
No. Yes, I love that shot.
57:37
By the way of those two buildings.
57:39
So scary. Oh yeah.
57:41
And it's going to be so exciting to see a little clicker.
57:43
Boy up top. I did, I did see that diamond
57:46
stuff. I'm excited.
57:48
I'm excited to see every every little thing that happens now.
57:51
I mean, they followed it to the letter while also making it
57:54
enjoyable for people who know the story, like the back of
57:56
their hand like myself and people who have never played
57:59
them and it's enjoyable all around.
58:02
I think my brother and sister just bad markers to ask for
58:04
because they are just so not caring about it.
58:08
Like, Jack would you think otherwise look right?
58:11
That's it. That's all you gotta say.
58:14
There's nothing else. But yeah, like my dad was like,
58:17
this is pretty cool and it's like yeah like he's p played the
58:21
game not too long ago, you played it I think like a year
58:23
ago so you know he knows what's going on cylinder said.
58:27
Yeah yeah and he gets to look at it and go.
58:29
This is exactly what I played and it looks great.
58:32
It doesn't look cheap. It doesn't look corny.
58:34
It doesn't change things. And now we just get to To be
58:39
along for the ride. And I'm actually kind of pissed
58:41
off that. I gotta wait till Sunday.
58:43
God damn it. I know I've been, I've been
58:44
spoiled. I've been able to watch shows
58:46
like peaky, blinders like that. Just comes to Netflix and it.
58:49
So here's all six episodes. Here's the season have fun.
58:51
Like, I'm going to finish peaky blinders before the next episode
58:54
comes out like this is me off because I don't have nothing to
58:56
fucking watch. Yeah yeah you're not going to
58:58
have anything to want but I started Chernobyl.
59:00
That's what I do. There you go.
59:02
Yeah turntables great. Internal episode our series and
59:06
coming. Oh yeah.
59:08
We can I don't know man. I don't want to be spoiled so
59:12
much, I'm not, I don't want to spoil any more of the show.
59:18
Watch this show, watch this watch start.
59:22
Just start the fucking show naysayers.
59:24
Be damned. I don't give a fuck.
59:27
If somebody in this Discord. Somebody in this Discord is
59:30
going to disagree and say the show's bad.
59:32
And there's going to be words, okay?
59:33
Catch these fucking hands. Yeah, like does the show is
59:37
looking great? This is, this is great open.
59:40
Like this is a great taster for what's to come and it's like
59:44
that. I don't I haven't you.
59:48
You and I have talked about this before it came out of like I am
59:52
cautiously optimistic. I am that.
59:54
We went I am I am. Skeptical, about the things I've
59:57
seen, I'm skeptical about like, when I talked about the tendrils
59:59
and not the spores and how this is like the, you know, this is
1:00:02
going to change and what it's going to look like.
1:00:04
And also, they kind of stuff and yet, I don't have a problem with
1:00:08
any of it, like I don't, you worry, all right.
1:00:09
Now I don't when you watch it and you're like, oh well they
1:00:13
don't have spores their tendrils, it's like, you're
1:00:15
watching the show. Go on, like I've done really
1:00:16
matter like yeah. It was just it was I think they
1:00:20
summed it up perfectly, it was just a section of gameplay.
1:00:24
Yeah, it wasn't it. What?
1:00:25
It doesn't signify, anything like okay, so there aren't
1:00:29
spores. So now, Joel doesn't have a gas
1:00:32
mask. Okay?
1:00:33
Who knows, our could still be fucking spores in the show but
1:00:36
the main focus is tendrils. Yeah.
1:00:39
And really you still didn't even see them like you saw them, but
1:00:43
you didn't gasps max still make sense because it's coming out of
1:00:46
their fucking mouth. Like, yeah, you saw him coming
1:00:48
out of their mouths but it's like, so what happens right when
1:00:52
I mean, you know, or they're just Entire sections, right?
1:00:55
Like I'm thinking what if there are sections like for the spores
1:00:59
would be where they're just tendrils on the wall like bigger
1:01:02
ones, you know? Right now you have things like
1:01:06
that to think about and I think that the show is going to do a
1:01:08
really good job as well as being scary like from what I've heard.
1:01:12
Yes yeah it's not just going to be some decent like not decent
1:01:15
but it's not going to be good action and a great story.
1:01:18
It's also going to kind of have some jump scares and it's going
1:01:20
to keep you on your toes and those clickers are going to be
1:01:22
scary as hell. And whatever other types of
1:01:25
infected they have, because they said they created different
1:01:27
types for this show which is going to again, keep players
1:01:30
like myself. And you on our feet of like,
1:01:32
okay, we've seen the big brute guys.
1:01:34
We've seen clickers. We've seen the runners and all
1:01:36
that kind of stuff. So what the hell else are we
1:01:38
going to see that is going to be like, well, how would you take
1:01:40
that down in the game? Wait for people to complain that
1:01:44
there's not enough ladders in the series?
1:01:47
I'm waiting for people who complain that like Joel didn't
1:01:50
use the brick or, you know. Yeah, also loved at least
1:01:55
stiletto, I just got to give a shout out to that little, very
1:01:58
good. Always nice to see that thing
1:02:00
make an appearance. Very good man.
1:02:05
All right, I got it. We gotta cut it.
1:02:08
Give it the rating. I'm letting you do it because
1:02:11
it's time to go watch this. This is must-see television.
1:02:14
This is a wonderful wonderfully. Perfect adaptation of a video
1:02:20
game. If you had to have a video game
1:02:23
adaptation, this would be the great start to what is to
1:02:27
possibly come. I'm I am nervous about the
1:02:31
again. Marvel esque.
1:02:32
Boom. That is going to follow this?
1:02:35
Yeah. And I guess obviously we've seen
1:02:36
that Warner Bros. Rose is continuing with portal.
1:02:40
No, they're not. Oh my God.
1:02:43
But if this is any indication of where we are heading with video
1:02:46
game adaptations, I'm never down.
1:02:50
Hoping I'm hoping those no shoe and mouth right here foot and
1:02:53
mouth. Yeah, hoping we get this from
1:02:57
its their adaptations, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
1:03:00
All right. Go watch The Last of Us, it's a
1:03:04
must-see series thus far. It is a way of One.
1:03:08
So I guess there is plenty of time for she foot and mouth, but
1:03:12
I don't think it's gonna happen. I don't think it's gonna happen.
1:03:14
I don't know. I mean, I'm wrote it.
1:03:16
I'm riding that high of like this first episode.
1:03:18
And I mean, this second one is going to be so interesting to
1:03:21
just continue that and see what other flashbacks we get.
1:03:24
Because I know there's going to be some and I'm honestly, like,
1:03:26
I'm excited for that. I want there to be flashbacks.
1:03:29
Like I think that was I don't remember what show it was.
1:03:31
But there was a show where it was maybe The Witcher or
1:03:34
something like that where I was they were constituting a lot of
1:03:36
flashbacks to suffer It was kind of like pointless.
1:03:39
Well, the what's your us is this weird fucking time?
1:03:41
Joe did a weird time. I'm thinking maybe I'm thinking
1:03:43
of Halo, I don't remember what show it was but it was the they
1:03:45
spent wait. It was like every episode also
1:03:47
had like a flashback section. It was Resident Evil.
1:03:50
That's what it was. Yeah.
1:03:51
It was doing a flash like half of the up to a flashback.
1:03:54
Yeah. It was just it was overused and
1:03:57
it's like I'm excited to see the flashbacks because as a fan and
1:04:01
for people who don't play them, you're getting more story.
1:04:04
That isn't you know if to me, if it's related The gamer, it's in
1:04:08
there. It wasn't a game in some sense.
1:04:10
I'm fulfilled because it's fanservice, I could see it on
1:04:12
the TV. I get to see that a different
1:04:13
medium and if it's new I get to see new story being at it just
1:04:19
like everybody else or of inside Neil druckmann said at this
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point to. Yeah, well this is W in the
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series and this is an amazing last was like, I don't care what
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anybody says. I know some people are like, oh
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not to keep us for too long, but I know a lot of people like to
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complain and say, oh well, it's just a game with too much story.
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It's all All story no action and it's like it's not if you play
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them and agree. Now, the only way you'll know
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that is if you play it, so get it on PC, get it on Playstation,
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play through it realize. Yeah, there's a lot of story
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here but there's also really good action.
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And for the TV show, there's not going to be as much action
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because you don't need it because the story carries sure,
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you have to hold it all out Lee. So if we, if I came off fan
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boyish, it's because we are right now.
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Yeah, we just fucking fine. Yeah.
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So Wrong with being a fanboy last time.
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I'll say it. Go watch The Last of Us watch it
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with a group of friends. Talk about it at work with your
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fucking co-workers and make them watch it as well.
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Talk about in your fucking school.
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I don't care. Tell people to watch the show.
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