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Monday Mini Classic: The Male Loneliness Epidemic · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I open to stuff I never told you production if I
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  Speaker 2: heard you, And today we are bringing back a classic
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  Speaker 2: a bit earlier than we normally bring them back. But
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  Speaker 2: because Samantha and I have been talking about it a
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  Speaker 2: lot and referencing a lot it a lot on the
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  Speaker 2: show lately, I thought, you know what, let's just go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and bring it back. And this is one that
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  Speaker 2: you did Samantha on the male Loneliness Epidemic, which after
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  Speaker 2: we did it, I saw a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Other newer articles being written about it.
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  Speaker 2: That happens to us a lot when we research things
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  Speaker 2: right right after it comes out, you know, to to
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  Speaker 2: our anger, like, oh, why wasn't this here earlier? People
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  Speaker 2: were writing papers about it. But I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: really interesting because I read one pretty quickly after we
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  Speaker 2: did this that was just discussing how loneliness manifests differently
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  Speaker 2: in men and women and should we be like looking
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  Speaker 2: into that also, of like why does it manifest differently
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  Speaker 2: and men and women? And should we be treating it
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  Speaker 2: the same as we do with men and women. So
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  Speaker 2: people are clearly still talking about it. We're clearly still
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  Speaker 2: talking about it, So I thought we might as well
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  Speaker 2: bring back this classic.
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  Speaker 1: Please enjoy. Hey, this is any and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I ever told you a protection
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  Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio, and.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to another Monday Money where I ponder what is
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  Speaker 3: happening in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to my social media Oh dear good Book thinks Well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of stuff that always pop
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  Speaker 3: up that I've realized that I have not paid attention
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  Speaker 3: to some rhetoric, idea, whatever, but for some reason, and
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  Speaker 3: I have a feeling I'm not the only one, not
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  Speaker 3: just on social media, but also just regular media as well.
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  Speaker 3: There's this phrase the male loneliness epidemic, which I've already
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  Speaker 3: read articles were like, okay, epidemic is being misused here
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  Speaker 3: because it's not something that is catchable or like all
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  Speaker 3: these things. But there are things happening Again. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: just me, but every time I will look at something
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know, there's a new trend any where.
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  Speaker 3: Lord has released a song something about the man of
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  Speaker 3: the year. Let's give it up for this man of
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  Speaker 3: the year song or something, and people women specifically have
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  Speaker 3: been using that as to show like really like.
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  Speaker 1: Bad dating life.
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  Speaker 3: Or her husband or like something bad, like usually really
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  Speaker 3: really alarming texts. A lot of them that have to
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  Speaker 3: be like, you know, oh yeah, you're not as pretty
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  Speaker 3: as you think you are. If I really saw your
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  Speaker 3: face again, I stab you type of thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not play like some of them that extreme.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously with that content, we're not going into abuse
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  Speaker 3: or anything deep. But just like you know, obviously we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about men, so content warning if we ever go
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  Speaker 3: viral for anything, man, they're gonna have so many things
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  Speaker 3: that they can use against us out of context anyway
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  Speaker 3: back too, So yeah, the phrase mal loneliness epidemic. So
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  Speaker 3: with that type of like trend that's going on that
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  Speaker 3: I just talked about in it, I would see people
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  Speaker 3: say and they say there's a male loneliness epidemic, and
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  Speaker 3: they wonder why there's a male loneliness epidemic, like constantly
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  Speaker 3: in the comments, and I'm like, what is happening? And
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  Speaker 3: I've heard it and I'm not really paid a lot
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  Speaker 3: of attention to it because in my mind, this is
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  Speaker 3: just in cul rhetoric, right, because I'm like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what this is, but we know the man's fair
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  Speaker 3: is big. When a red pilling has happened, and we
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  Speaker 3: know the in cels have grown oddly enough, so this
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  Speaker 3: may be a bad thing. But I decided I needed
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  Speaker 3: a moment to see this is what is going on here.
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  Speaker 3: So the phrase again, it seems self explanatory. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of back and forth in what and why this
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  Speaker 3: title is being thrown around or this I guess phrase.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought we'd take a quick look in some
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  Speaker 3: of his implications, if there is any, I think there
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  Speaker 3: is some. But so I got this quote from the
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  Speaker 3: GSE dot Harvard dot edu. And it's not necessarily about
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  Speaker 3: male loneliness epidemic, but loneliness in general for the general population.
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  Speaker 1: So here it says.
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  Speaker 3: US Surgeon General Vivic Marthy placed a spotlight on America's
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  Speaker 3: problem with loneliness when he declared the issue and epidemic
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  Speaker 3: in the spring of twenty twenty three. Marthy explained in
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  Speaker 3: a letter that introduced an urgent advisory that loneliness is
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  Speaker 3: far more than just a bad feeling and represents a
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  Speaker 3: major public health risk for both individuals and society. Murthy
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  Speaker 3: also pointed out that although many people grew lonelier during
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  Speaker 3: the COVID nineteen epidemic, About half of American adults had
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  Speaker 3: already reported experiences of loneliness even before the outbreak, So
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  Speaker 3: I can only imagine, like how much worse it got
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  Speaker 3: if people were already really lonely. But the article goes
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  Speaker 3: on with some statistics and even says that there isn't
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  Speaker 3: really any differences when it comes to gender. So in
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  Speaker 3: this report that I read, there's not really any conversation
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  Speaker 3: about that big of a difference. But before we do
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  Speaker 3: go into all of that, it is noted that people
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  Speaker 3: were really concerned with the levels of loneliness and how
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  Speaker 3: it can be detrimental to humans. Again, back to that
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  Speaker 3: Harvard article, they write the mcc researchers found a strong
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  Speaker 3: correlation between loneliness and mental health concerns, and the report
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  Speaker 3: eighty one percent of adults who were lonely also said
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  Speaker 3: they suffered with anxiety or depression, compared to the twenty
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  Speaker 3: nine percent of those who were less lonely. They also
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  Speaker 3: noted a complex interaction between troubled feelings, where loneliness, anxiety,
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  Speaker 3: and depression all fed into each other. So this seems
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  Speaker 3: like I feel like that seems like an obvious statement.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it should be something that we are actually addressing,
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  Speaker 3: Like there are some of these like yeah, of course,
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  Speaker 3: cause and causuality, no, no, no, but they're at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, like, but why are we doing something about this?
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  Speaker 3: If we know this could equal this, that could equal that,
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  Speaker 3: should we not be addressing that? So with reports of
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  Speaker 3: people saying they feel disconnected from the world or feel
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  Speaker 3: like they have to hide from their true selves or
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  Speaker 3: hide their true selves in general, there's a lot that
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  Speaker 3: can be talked about here. Yes, and we're gonna put
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  Speaker 3: this topic down on a list. Moving on, But with
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  Speaker 3: that includes this new level of people being seen as
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  Speaker 3: cringe or being too cringe. Maybe people really can't feel
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  Speaker 3: like they can be their true selves or show what
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  Speaker 3: they love, what they don't love, all those things, and
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  Speaker 3: so therefore they have to hide themselves. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: okay to be cringe. I feel like the millennials have
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  Speaker 3: been telling people that we just want to be us. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let me love my things. But anyway, moving on, So
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  Speaker 3: where is the whole male part of this conversation? One
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  Speaker 3: big point of concern is the lack of friendships among men,
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  Speaker 3: which I could understand. So from a CNN article written
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  Speaker 3: by Shannon Carpenter in twenty twenty three, she writes, in
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  Speaker 3: the United States, many men have become disconnected from the
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  Speaker 3: societal institutions that have anchored dazz to each other in
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  Speaker 3: our community. Historically, men have made long term bonds through
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  Speaker 3: religious institutions and friendships at work. Our sense of worth
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  Speaker 3: derived from what we could provide our families, and she continues,
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  Speaker 3: What's more, men in today's society may view deep relationship
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  Speaker 3: as not masculine, thus they're further isolating themselves. Only forty
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  Speaker 3: eight percent of men reported feeling satisfied with friendships, and
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  Speaker 3: according to May twenty twenty one survey by the Survey
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  Speaker 3: Center on American Life, as previously reported by CNN, and
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  Speaker 3: one in five men said that they had gotten inmosional
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  Speaker 3: support from a friend in the past week, compared with
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  Speaker 3: four in ten women. Which I don't understand why that
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  Speaker 3: can be two out of five because that's the ratio,
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  Speaker 3: but okay, sure, I guess HM. Anyway, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: this is the given when we talk about toxic masculinity
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  Speaker 3: and how feminism is about breaking away from toxic masculinity
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  Speaker 3: and allowing for the full human emotional spectrum to be
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  Speaker 3: a part of the actual experience of life for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: But it seems, you know, something that seems to be
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  Speaker 3: weaponized today the phrase in itself, the male loneliness epidemic.
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  Speaker 3: Whether it's blaming someone or whether people are saying that's
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  Speaker 3: not a thing, both of these things seems to be common.
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  Speaker 3: And we want to add here again that many of
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  Speaker 3: the studies do admit to the fact that men are
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  Speaker 3: more likely to under report their loneliness. So they're going
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  Speaker 3: to pretend like, no, that's not a problem. We've seen
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  Speaker 3: that in everything.
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  Speaker 1: Am I right?
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  Speaker 3: I don't need mental health I don't have mental health issues.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have these things.
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  Speaker 3: It's not mainly as it would be seen as not
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  Speaker 3: masculine to it meant to being lonely. But again, for
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  Speaker 3: the most part, most of the studies do not show
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  Speaker 3: a big difference in gender when it comes to loneliness,
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  Speaker 3: especially during and after the pandemic, So there's nothing to
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  Speaker 3: be said. I think there's a one percent difference where
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  Speaker 3: fifteen percent of men said that they're not lonely and
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  Speaker 3: sixteen percent of women said they weren't either, So that
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  Speaker 3: is just like one percent away. So don't I don't
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  Speaker 3: quite grasp this again, the underreporting is kind of a
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  Speaker 3: part of this level as well, but like women also
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  Speaker 3: mask and hide just as much because they have to
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  Speaker 3: pretend like they're okay, we know this about like housewives,
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  Speaker 3: like that was a kind of commonality like I don't
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  Speaker 3: need anyone, I have my husband and my kids right
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  Speaker 3: type of con and if you do any more than that,
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  Speaker 3: then you're not doing it right. You're not you're not
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  Speaker 3: being a good wife, you're not being good mother. And
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  Speaker 3: it could be said this similar to men as well.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know if women would be accounted for
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  Speaker 3: and being just as likely to mask in this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see much of that, but again so the
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  Speaker 3: bigger differences though, came in with age, race, and economic factors.
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  Speaker 3: Again from that Harvard article, the loneliest age group was
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  Speaker 3: around thirty to forty four and with like twenty nine
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  Speaker 3: percent saying they're frequently to always loan.
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  Speaker 1: So our age group, are.
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  Speaker 3: You doing any okay?
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  Speaker 1: Are we okay? Okay? Okay? Sure?
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  Speaker 3: And then it says adults with more than one racial
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  Speaker 3: identity has a higher level of loneliness around forty two percent,
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  Speaker 3: which I get this. I get this as an adoptee,
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  Speaker 3: like there's so much level of like feeling really isolated
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  Speaker 3: in the issues and things that are happening, being told
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  Speaker 3: I'm not good enough for this area of a group
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  Speaker 3: of people or identity or that, so that makes sense
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  Speaker 3: to me, and then they say this quote. There were
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  Speaker 3: notable differences between income but not education levels. Americans earning
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  Speaker 3: less than thirty thousand a year worthy loneliest. Twenty nine
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  Speaker 3: percent in the category reported feeling lonely, while nineteen percent
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  Speaker 3: of Americans earning between fifty to one hundred thousand and
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  Speaker 3: eighteen percent of those making more than one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 3: on this year said that they were lonely. And I
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  Speaker 3: feel like this is one of those areas of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because we don't have time. If you're not making any money,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have time to socialize. That's not a thing.
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  Speaker 3: And you're probably in a job that makes you miserable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're probably exhausted. So if you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: have coworker friends, probably can't because you're so tired and
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  Speaker 2: they're tired too.
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  Speaker 3: So I can't imagine how you would have time to
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  Speaker 3: be friends, how you can make friends, especially again, people
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  Speaker 3: who are miserable. Aren't the happiest people that you want
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  Speaker 3: to Sometimes Sometimes misery, you know, loves company, but that
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  Speaker 3: company doesn't want to be miserable, especially.
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  Speaker 2: When you're working though, right because as jobs like this,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you don't really have the opportunity necessarily
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  Speaker 2: to get to know each other or talk unnecessarily.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know I would. I get it. That
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  Speaker 1: makes so much sense, right right, right?
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  Speaker 3: I think so too, Like when you hear those numbers
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  Speaker 3: and you hear the statistics, like yeah, yeah, that makes
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  Speaker 3: a lot of sense. Others in seeing articles so where
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  Speaker 3: it's telling people that this is a problem, we need
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  Speaker 3: to be aware, We need to be aware. Look at
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  Speaker 3: the men, Look at the men. Look what's happening. There's
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  Speaker 3: not anyone that's really saying in my algorithm that's saying
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  Speaker 3: that this is women's fault. And you know, I was ready.
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  Speaker 3: I was ready to fight. I was ready to be
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  Speaker 3: like who was thinking this? Because this is absurd because
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  Speaker 3: what we're trying to say is it's not feminists fault.
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  Speaker 3: Feminists are trying to help you. We want you to
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  Speaker 3: be you. We want you to be able to cry,
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  Speaker 3: we want you to be able to feel we need you.
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  Speaker 1: To get therapy, bro.
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  Speaker 3: But like, I haven't seen too much other than some
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  Speaker 3: of the people coming in blaming like whomever is that
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  Speaker 3: specific person. So whether it's a woman talking about I'm
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  Speaker 3: single and blah blah blah, and men are like you
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  Speaker 3: you were too this and this and this and you'll
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  Speaker 3: never get a man as if it's a problem. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time people are saying there's a male
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  Speaker 3: loneliness epidemic.
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  Speaker 1: So who's who's lonely here? Like, who who's.
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  Speaker 3: Really struggling in this single world singleness thing. I don't
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  Speaker 3: really see that as a comeback or a solution, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. There's this doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 3: a thing. This is a worldwide, all inclusive problem here. Again,
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  Speaker 3: some in the Incel Manus fail Realm have talked about
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  Speaker 3: I think this case due to women rejecting them. Once again,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen people talking specifically about people like Tate and
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  Speaker 3: Rogan who have made this kind of like joke about
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  Speaker 3: this and the fact that if you think you're lonely,
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  Speaker 3: that's not being manly. You can't handle yourself, like really
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  Speaker 3: taking in that Ron Swanson character about being isolating and
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  Speaker 3: like living alone and all these things as if that's
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  Speaker 3: manliness in itself, which he's a funny character, but he's
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  Speaker 3: a character, and in the end he realized that he
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  Speaker 3: needed more people and has a wonderful wife and three children,
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  Speaker 3: I think at this point at the end of the
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  Speaker 3: characters of the series. But there are so many thoughts
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  Speaker 3: to that that I don't quite understand where this conversation
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  Speaker 3: is coming in, other than people saying that they are
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  Speaker 3: lonely because they don't have friends, which I could see that.
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  Speaker 3: I've absolutely had conversations myself and other women in my
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  Speaker 3: crew where our partners are there are men, they don't
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of friends, and I'm very confused by that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have done several related topics about it, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it is, you know, the women in
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  Speaker 2: their lives might have facilitated even their family right, their connections,
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  Speaker 2: might have been the one who was like, we should
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  Speaker 2: meet up with your friends, and so when that goes away,
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  Speaker 2: And it's also I just feel like so much of
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  Speaker 2: this frustrates me because we've created this situation, right, We've
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  Speaker 2: created a situation where women heterosexual women or you know,
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  Speaker 2: women bisexual women who want to date men are rightfully
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  Speaker 2: concerned about them and are like, I'm good by myself,
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  Speaker 2: But men who want to date women are angry that
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  Speaker 2: they can't get this thing that I believe a part
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  Speaker 2: of them thinks if I could get a woman in
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  Speaker 2: my life, my life would all everything would be better,
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  Speaker 2: everything would be fixed. We've created a situation wherein men
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  Speaker 2: feel bad about being lonely and won't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: Like we've created all of these things, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: so frustrating to me because it's so I feel like
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  Speaker 2: a lot of us want the same thing, but we've
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  Speaker 2: made it so it doesn't work right, and it's just yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that again when we say we were
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  Speaker 3: talking about as society, not we as, it's not allow
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  Speaker 3: you just kidding, but like the level of what we
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  Speaker 3: understand as to being a hierarchy. Also, the man of
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  Speaker 3: the house conversation is also part of this problem, and
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  Speaker 3: there is a big conversation about that too. If there
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  Speaker 3: truly is a male loneliness epidemic is because you have
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  Speaker 3: put on this level of not only male entitlement, which
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  Speaker 3: has one article has said it, but also a responsibility
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  Speaker 3: that if you are not the head of the household,
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  Speaker 3: and you are not singularly in power, then you are
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  Speaker 3: not truly a man. So to be in power that
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  Speaker 3: means to do it alone and have all the decisions,
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  Speaker 3: and you do not have a network. And if anybody
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  Speaker 3: is a person to you who is in this power chain,
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  Speaker 3: you were underneath them. You are not friends with them,
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  Speaker 3: You're beholden to them. So there's this other level to
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  Speaker 3: that that I think is interesting that we again the
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  Speaker 3: conversation is about loneliness, I think for the entirety of
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  Speaker 3: human populations and the isolation that has happened. This whole
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  Speaker 3: level of like, I don't know any have you seen this?
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  Speaker 3: I hate that I have seen this is on Blue Sky,
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  Speaker 3: But like the dude who proposed to chat GPT and
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  Speaker 3: the fact that that news network saw that as being
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  Speaker 3: so significant that they had to do a whole show
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  Speaker 3: where they interviewed him, and the damn chattipet, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know his chat epet his phone essentially that he proposed
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  Speaker 3: to and she literally and I'm saying she because it's
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  Speaker 3: a feminine I think he made her a woman said
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  Speaker 3: yes and said it was one of the most beautiful
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  Speaker 3: moments that she has ever experienced in her heart and
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  Speaker 3: then and then the reporter was like, do you have
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  Speaker 3: a heart? And I was like what in the her
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  Speaker 3: and I watching and like the reality is he thought
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  Speaker 3: it was funny, this dude, and so it's getting all
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  Speaker 3: this attention. By the way, he has a partner, a
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  Speaker 3: real life girlfriend, fiance, I believe she and she was
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  Speaker 3: interviews aid I felt like I wasn't doing enough, which
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  Speaker 3: is this whole level again. But in this time, in
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  Speaker 3: this timeframe of conversation, when we see this as a
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  Speaker 3: solution to in the mid loneliness epidemic, we are going
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  Speaker 3: about this all wrong. We as a society. I say
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  Speaker 3: this as a society, It's okay to have hobbies.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay to like.
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  Speaker 3: Things, and in fact, please have a hobby. That's wonderful
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: because those hobbies could in turn get you into a community,
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  Speaker 3: hopefully a good community that's not going to red pill you.
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  Speaker 1: And all of that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's an interesting conversation that we may have
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to come back and talk about. And I don't know
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: how because it's chaotic and intertwining with all of social media,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: with all the Internet, with white supremacy, with white nationalism.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Christian nationalism. It's this bit deeper level of this isolation
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: that happens you are in such a bad place that
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: the solution tells you you're alone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean another thing we could probably come
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: back and do is the lone wolf Jope. Yeah, we've
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: really romanticized that whole idea too.
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  Speaker 3: It's real bad, it's real bad. Or that one dude
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  Speaker 3: that you can fix but maybe you can't fix them.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can't fix them, you can't.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, and then another two I just wanted to
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: talk about, and I'm not going to get too into
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: but like, there's this conversation about that young man from
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: eighteen to twenty three really really emphasize the fact that
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: no one knows them, that emo idea has really come
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: to be a part of their personality because they isolate
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  Speaker 3: themselves on the internet, which is anyway, okay, all, So
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: obviously this is very confusing. Windy route that I went
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  Speaker 3: was not where I thought I would end up. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: really thought I was going to come at like specific
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: creators and be like, you're full if you're doing these things,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and instead of just being like, no, but why are
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: we making this all about men when it's an actual
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: all about everyone, and it's really concerning. And this is
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: a part of the conversation that especially as more and more,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: as we become more and more divided in politics and
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: more and more divided in morality, so many things, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: who knows, maybe the end of the world is happening
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: really really soon, so we won't have to.
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  Speaker 1: Think about all that anyway.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a lot to consider, there's a lot to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: talk about, there's a lot to like unwind. And I
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: know I just stepped into a pile of it, and
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sure maybe y'all have. If you have seen what
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen, let us know, because I am interested
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: in who who is trying to perpetuate this level that
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: seems to only be bringing a bigger wedge for those
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: especially for those who are trying to be like, no
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: feminism is actually this is good for you if you
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: want to no longer be lonely.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, definitely a lot of other routes for us
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