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Ep. 772: Bullwhacker, Dinky Rifle Calibers, and Whitetail Bucks | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, welcome to metast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am
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  Speaker 2: here at Media HQ and Bozeman. That's one pm in
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  Speaker 2: my hometown of Edinburgh, Pennsylvania, where archery season. Archery white
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  Speaker 2: tail season is now open for all you bow guys
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  Speaker 2: and crossbow guys. Yeah, arrow guns we call them. I'm
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  Speaker 2: your host, Brody. I'm joined today by the only person
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  Speaker 2: who occasionally threatens my total domination of mediator trivia, Randall Williams.
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  Speaker 2: You beat me yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: And what's that It's not really a spoiler. I mean
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  Speaker 3: not really if someone's expecting it already.
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  Speaker 2: We've also got Jordan Siller's Uh he's our very own
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  Speaker 2: expert on all things firearms, aren't you?
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  Speaker 3: I do my best?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I read your stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's goods.
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  Speaker 2: This week, we've got a couple of great interviews Versus
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  Speaker 2: about a huge public access win here in Montana. And
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  Speaker 2: we're also going to be talking to that you like this, Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking to someone about shooting great big
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  Speaker 2: game animals with little dinky rifle cartridges. And uh, first,
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  Speaker 2: since this is white tail week at Meat Eater, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: when we celebrate all things white tail hunting. We're also
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  Speaker 2: going to share uh some white tail buck stuff, a
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  Speaker 2: throwback Thursday, and and a white tail dream hunt deal
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  Speaker 2: fresh whitetail content. We're running a real fun competition to
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  Speaker 2: decide which state is the best whitetail hunting state. You
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  Speaker 2: Go check out first light dot com to get yourself
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  Speaker 2: outfitted for like all the different conditions you're going to
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  Speaker 2: run into during three four months of white tail season.
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  Speaker 2: So like there's something there you're gonna find that you need,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't even have to be a white tail hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Take advantage of this sale. There's all there's like all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of all purpose stuff on sale at first Light
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  Speaker 2: too and again discounted mercht at the mediater dot com.
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  Speaker 2: So get on there. How long is this thing go
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  Speaker 2: on till Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: That would be a good question.
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  Speaker 2: I think you got a couple few more days to
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 5: It's all over the web stever here, he'd go, Come on, Randall, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he wouldn't know either, though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're busy doing this stuff. We can't keep
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  Speaker 2: track of everything, and we're so busy that we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: skip the chit chat today because we have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of a lot we're going to cover and in place
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  Speaker 2: of chit chat, real quick, Jordan, you haven't been on
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  Speaker 2: the show that much, so introduce yourself sure, and tell
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  Speaker 2: everyone real quick about your the crazy new podcast you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, Yeah, I'm Jordan Sillers. I'm a managing editor for
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  Speaker 6: the website and then I also help Cal with his podcast,
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  Speaker 6: Cal's Week in Review. Starting up a new podcast. We
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  Speaker 6: launched a pilot episode in March that you may have seen.
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  Speaker 6: It's called Blood Trails. It's a true crime podcast about hunters, anglers, campers, hikers,
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  Speaker 6: you know, everyone sort of in our world and really
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  Speaker 6: excited about it. We have eight episod so it's coming
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  Speaker 6: out in this first season. We have a story of
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  Speaker 6: a hunter who disappeared under very suspicious circumstances. We have
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  Speaker 6: a story of a hunter who was found stabbed seventeen
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  Speaker 6: times and the medical examiner ruled a suicide.
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  Speaker 2: So that's Randa, Where were you during that time?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd have to know. I need the details because
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  Speaker 4: I was not involved. Noted noted.
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  Speaker 6: There's a story of a hunter who was shot with
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  Speaker 6: his own rifle. Uh, and there's thoughts about whether it
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  Speaker 6: was someone close to him who may have done it.
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  Speaker 6: So lots of really interesting stories. We think it's you know,
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  Speaker 6: we hope people like it and we're really excited.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean, of course they're gonna like it.
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  Speaker 2: Like the true crime genre is like bananas these days,
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  Speaker 2: and and I think you've already got like the hunting
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  Speaker 2: crowd locked in, So you need to market this to
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  Speaker 2: like suburban soccer moms who there you go spend their
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  Speaker 2: time watching true crime? Well, hey on Netflix.
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  Speaker 6: Right listen if if you love me eater content and
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  Speaker 6: you've always wanted to get your wife to watch or
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  Speaker 6: listen to me eater content, Yeah, this is this is
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  Speaker 6: for you. You know, you guys can do this together.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like I'm just bringing you know, strengthening relationships.
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  Speaker 5: Do this every time I get into Sydney's car to
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  Speaker 5: go somewhere with her. As soon as the cars powered on,
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  Speaker 5: it's just immediately then he plunged the dagger in up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And one thing I just wanted to say, so, speaking
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  Speaker 6: of the true crime genre, a lot of it out
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  Speaker 6: there is you know, it's it's someone they read some
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  Speaker 6: new stories, they read Wikipedia and that's and then they
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  Speaker 6: kind of chat about it. This is not that, this
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  Speaker 6: is original reporting. I talked to the people, Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I talked to the people who were involved, as long
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  Speaker 6: as they're willing to talk to me, the family of
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  Speaker 6: the victim, the law enforcement who investigated it, and we
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  Speaker 6: tell you things that no one else has reported before.
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  Speaker 5: And I will say too, like the the genre occasionally
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  Speaker 5: leans into like the lurid, sure voyeuristic, and this is
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  Speaker 5: very much not that. It's very much like straightforward, empathetic
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  Speaker 5: reporting about pretty tragic situation.
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  Speaker 2: I just gave Jordan a lead today or yesterday on
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  Speaker 2: something that maybe someday will end up in the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to say any more about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.
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  Speaker 6: I'm looking into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, we're gonna move on because we
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  Speaker 2: got a bunch to talk about today. For our first
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  Speaker 2: interview today, we've got Mike Coutz. I hope I pronounce
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  Speaker 2: that right. Mike is the vice president of Access and
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  Speaker 2: Infrastructure at American Prairie, which was formerly American Prairie Reserve.
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  Speaker 2: They recently simplified it and they're just American Prairie now.
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  Speaker 2: I hope I'm getting that right. Anyway, American Prairie is
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  Speaker 2: an organization with a goal restoring and preserving short grasp
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  Speaker 2: prairie ecosystems in central in northern Montana. It's an ecosystem
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of suffering all over the country, and these
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  Speaker 2: guys are doing a lot of good work here in
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  Speaker 2: Montana and a big part of that plan they're what
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  Speaker 2: they might be known for the best is re establishing
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  Speaker 2: wild bison populations in that part of Montana. We've got
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  Speaker 2: Mike on the line, Phil, here's Mike. Mike. Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today. Having us to start out,
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  Speaker 2: just give folks like the real quick version of who
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  Speaker 2: American Prairie is, what they do and how they operate
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  Speaker 2: as far as acquiring property to build into this collection
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  Speaker 2: of hopefully interconnected shortcrass prairie landscapes.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, sure so.
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  Speaker 1: American Prairie is a Montana based nonprofit. We've been around
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  Speaker 1: for over twenty years now, and as you mentioned, our
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  Speaker 1: goal is.
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  Speaker 7: To and our work is to.
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  Speaker 1: Buy and acquire land that we manage for public access
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  Speaker 1: and for wildlife habitat along the Missouri Breaks and the
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  Speaker 1: Charles M. Russell National Wildlife Refuge, so that eventually we
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  Speaker 1: have enough habitat to restore and intact prairie short grass ecosystem.
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  Speaker 1: And we work on a willing buyer, willing selling, willing
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  Speaker 1: seller model, and we've done I think over fifty land
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  Speaker 1: transactions at this point, and.
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  Speaker 2: How many total acres, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Right now we're sitting in about six hundred and three
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  Speaker 1: thousand acres.
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  Speaker 2: Of deeta in the leased land just a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: It's a lot of driving that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, my favorite part of the state up there
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  Speaker 2: where you guys are working. Now. You mentioned that it's
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  Speaker 2: a willing seller, willing buyer situations when you're acquiring these properties,
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  Speaker 2: but I'd kind of be remiss to like not address
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  Speaker 2: the fact that up in that part of Montana there's
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  Speaker 2: like a certain group of people, like not everyone, but
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  Speaker 2: like there's definitely like some pushback from some of the
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  Speaker 2: locals in that part of the state about what you
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  Speaker 2: guys are doing, and I just want to give you
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  Speaker 2: a chance to speak to that and let us know
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  Speaker 2: what's going on with that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think any big conservation project is not without controversy,
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  Speaker 1: and we're certainly no exception to that. So when you
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  Speaker 1: drive in that part of the state, you'll see save
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys, Stop American Praiority signs.
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  Speaker 7: Those are produced.
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  Speaker 1: By United Property Owners of Montana, which I encourage anyone
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  Speaker 1: listening to this and folks who are from outside the
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  Speaker 1: state and trying to study up on this, you can
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  Speaker 1: just go to their website and see what they see,
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  Speaker 1: what they're about. And some of this is simply, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a disagreement over how you manage landscape, and some of
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  Speaker 1: it is I think concern over you know, changes you
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  Speaker 1: know in the region, and some of it it's just
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  Speaker 1: that we're new, you know again, twenty years in Montana
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  Speaker 1: is an eyeblink and so some of it's just been
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  Speaker 1: we've had to go out there and earn trust, say
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  Speaker 1: what we're going to do, and then back that up
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  Speaker 1: with action, and so I think what you find is
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  Speaker 1: we go out, you talk to our over the fence neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: you talk to the more than sixty ranchers in the
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  Speaker 1: region that we partner with on leasing grass or working
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  Speaker 1: through our wild Sky program.
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  Speaker 7: Together, you find that actually we have great relationships.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you know head on, we are not
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  Speaker 1: the enemy of Montana agriculture.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Agriculture does great. The reason that we can do this
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  Speaker 1: in this part of the world is because all of
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  Speaker 1: the good stewardship that Montana ranchers have carried out for
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  Speaker 1: generations on this landscape. And often we find that we
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  Speaker 1: actually have the same goal, which is that we're hoping
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  Speaker 1: that and working to have this landscape look much like
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  Speaker 1: it does right now. Slightly different methods there sometimes, but
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we want this place
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  Speaker 1: to you know, as you're saying, it is one of
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  Speaker 1: the most spectacular parts not only Montana, but the entire
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  Speaker 1: United States, and we'll all work in to make sure
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  Speaker 1: it stays that way.
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  Speaker 2: And something I'll point out is that on like I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure like what percentage of the acreage this is
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  Speaker 2: true on, but there's still cattle ranching going on on
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  Speaker 2: some of your properties.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that's you know, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when folks say, hey, there's controversy around this, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that controversy is coming from a lack of understanding
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  Speaker 1: of what we actually do. So, you know, we're sometimes
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  Speaker 1: get cast as like these bison folks who want wild
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  Speaker 1: bison everywhere. We manage our bison as livestock, so we
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  Speaker 1: disease test them. They're contained behind fences. They're not wild,
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  Speaker 1: free roaming bison. They're an important part of conserving them
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  Speaker 1: as a species, but they're not wild and free roaming.
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  Speaker 1: And we have about eight hundred and fifty bison right
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  Speaker 1: now on two properties.
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  Speaker 7: We have over seven thousand cattle on our properties. So
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  Speaker 7: most of our properties, the grazer that does.
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  Speaker 1: That role in the ecosystem, you know, which again is
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  Speaker 1: a really important one, is cattle. And again, I was
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  Speaker 1: listening to Cal on the Joe Rogan podcast this week
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  Speaker 1: while I was driving, and it was awesome to hear
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  Speaker 1: him talking in front of such a huge audience about
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  Speaker 1: the value of prairies and that prairies globally are disappearing
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  Speaker 1: faster than any other ecosystem, and we have one of
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  Speaker 1: the best chances to set aside and protect some of
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  Speaker 1: our remaining grasslands anywhere in the world, right here in Montana.
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  Speaker 1: And so hearing him talk to Joe about that was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And yet even cal who again, I mean, he's he's
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  Speaker 1: here in Montana, you know, had a couple of bits
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  Speaker 1: of misinformation about American prairie.
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  Speaker 7: You know, our our.
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  Speaker 1: Money doesn't come from the Dutch. Ninety seven percent is
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  Speaker 1: from within the United States. And our bison don't come
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  Speaker 1: from Yellowstone. They came from Elk Island to Canada. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: and we've done trades with some of our tribal neighbors
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  Speaker 1: who have Yellowstone genetics in their herd.
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  Speaker 7: But but again I think that's and not to give
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  Speaker 7: cal a hard time, because.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, we'll make sure he hears this, for sure.
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  Speaker 7: We don't.
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  Speaker 4: We don't let go any chance to correct cal On.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well you can, you can tell me shanked it
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  Speaker 1: on that one.
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  Speaker 7: He's just a mess, But he's a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: He'll acknowledged that he got wrong and make a correction.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, but you know, I think it just speaks
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  Speaker 1: to look, you know, here's somebody who's really well educated
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  Speaker 1: on conservation in Montana and around the US, but still
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  Speaker 1: had some of you know, these sort of persistent you know,
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  Speaker 1: miss misinformation about what we actually do, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that's on us, Like we can to make.
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  Speaker 7: Sure we're out here talking to folks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're a bunch of Montana's We're a Montana
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  Speaker 1: nonprofit buying land, opening up to public access, managing it
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  Speaker 1: for wildlife.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's talk about that. I mean, one of
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  Speaker 2: the great things about American Prairie is that most, if
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  Speaker 2: not I'm not sure if it's all of your properties,
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  Speaker 2: but most of the properties are open to public access
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  Speaker 2: for recreational purposes, which you know, it could be hiking,
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  Speaker 2: wildlife viewing. I think you guys have a campground. There's
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  Speaker 2: fishing opportunities, and there's hunting opportunities. American Prairie runs a lottery,
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  Speaker 2: but for several bison hunting opportunities.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Randall's wife last year took advantage of that and got herself.
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  Speaker 2: Got herself was a great She sat a big bold no.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: She she had one of the yearling.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, she had one of.
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  Speaker 4: The yearling tags.
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  Speaker 5: But honestly, the one of the coolest, wildest hunting experiences
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  Speaker 5: of my life.
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  Speaker 2: You guys still eating that thing?
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, nice, Yeah, we just got the hide back.
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  Speaker 2: So beyond the bison thing, like, you can go on
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  Speaker 2: these properties and hunt small game, upland birds, waterfowl, big
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  Speaker 2: game through Montana's Block Management program, which is a public
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  Speaker 2: access to private land program. It's like one of the
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  Speaker 2: best programs and if not the best program of that
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  Speaker 2: type in the entire country as far as I'm concerned. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're an outdoorsman, you should just be
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  Speaker 2: like supporting this. I think it's a very good opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: which leads us to kind of the latest big story
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  Speaker 2: that involves American prairie. So Mike tell us about Bullwhacker Road,
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  Speaker 2: the Wilkes brothers and your your latest acquisition and why
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  Speaker 2: it's such an important public access win for all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of outdoors enthusiasts, including hunters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this has been one of the things
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  Speaker 1: we've been most excited about over the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 4: Here.
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  Speaker 1: We closed on a property called the Anchor Ranch that's
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  Speaker 1: on the north side of the Missouri River about seventy
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  Speaker 1: miles southeast to have her on the high line and
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  Speaker 1: sixty six thousand acres of deeded and least land. But
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  Speaker 1: most importantly the deeded land includes a four mile section
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  Speaker 1: of the Bullwhacker Road that was you know, in and
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  Speaker 1: out of court. You know, Brett French from the Billings
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  Speaker 1: Gazad has done some awesome reporting on this. Anyone who's
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  Speaker 1: really interested in this kind of stuff can look up
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  Speaker 1: his articles. But essentially, you had a four mile section
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  Speaker 1: a row that was landlocking over fifty thousand acres of
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  Speaker 1: public land, mostly BLM few state sections in there. And
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  Speaker 1: normally when we when we buy a property, we take
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  Speaker 1: about a year to figure out all the public access
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  Speaker 1: and you know, to do a full review of it.
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  Speaker 1: This we were so excited about this we opened.
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  Speaker 7: The road right away.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and said, look, you know this, this one's too
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  Speaker 1: important to you know, sit on for a year.
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  Speaker 7: We're going to open it at least this section.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's just one of the most historic parts
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  Speaker 1: of the Northern Great Plains too, and has a fascinating history.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, part of the Cow Creek which runs
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  Speaker 1: through part of the property was part of the Nez
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  Speaker 1: Perce Trail, so where Chief Joseph led his people up
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  Speaker 1: from the Missouri River and the ford where they crossed
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  Speaker 1: on foot up.
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  Speaker 7: Into the Bears Paw Mountains, the Bullwhacker Road.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's named that because there were guys, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whipping bowls up out of the Missouri River because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of years the steamboats from Saint Louis only get
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  Speaker 1: up to about that point. So incredible history and just
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  Speaker 1: an incredible landscape. You know, whether it's in hunting season
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  Speaker 1: or whether it's in the spring, you go down in there,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know.
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  Speaker 7: An absolute maze of coolies.
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  Speaker 1: And prairie canyons, and you know, an incredible place to
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  Speaker 1: get lost and to go explore.
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  Speaker 2: And again again like this, this will now open up
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand acres of what was landlocked public land.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, yep, exactly, And so I mean again, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of your listeners have probably seen on X and Theodore
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  Speaker 1: Roosevelt Conservation Partnerships reports on landlocked public land around the country,
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  Speaker 1: and there's millions of acres, and you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: our goals with property purchases is to look at those
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: ones where you know, boy, if we bought that deed,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it it opens up this amount of public land too.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: You know, we a couple of years ago we bought
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: one on the Muscleshell called the seventy three that had
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: ten thousand acres landlocked by I mean it was essentially
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: one hundred feet.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Of two tracks across the Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: So wherever possible we do that.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And yeah, as you mentioned, you know, the vast majority
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of our dataed acres are open to public access year round.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: And Mike that when that seventy three ranch sold, I mean,
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: I know there was an attempt to buy the by
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: the BLM, I believe to acquire it. They were unable
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: to given the sort of strictures around federal land acquisitions.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: But someone was going to buy that land, right like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: like that property was for sale, someone was going to
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: buy it. And so in this case, because American Prairie
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: was the buyer, all that landlocked public land is now
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: open to the public in addition to the access that
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: you guys provide through block management.
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just a big win.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: And both of those properties too are examples of you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: large properties that were formerly owned by out of state owners,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: largely as either private hunting properties or as you know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: amenity properties or investments and so you know, again we
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: think a Montana based nonprofit now owning them, now managing
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it for public access and for wildlife habitat.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's a net positive.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the room having given a presentation last
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: week where I was showing these, you know, these charts
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: for what the growth of populations in Montana have done
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: over the last couple of years since COVID. I mean,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: we're sitting here at Bozeman and see that, you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: it's grown by eighty six percent in the Gallatin Valley.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: This is supposed to be good news, Mike.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Well, so here's the other, you know, to set up
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the good news. This is what public land you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: has done. It's essentially flat. Yeah, not only flat, but
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I mean cal has done such an incredible job at
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: all of you you know, at meat eater, backcountry hunters
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and anglers in fighting the efforts to sell off public
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: land recently. But so not only have we not been
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: created more public land necessarily, you know, we've even had
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you know, proposals to sell it off. So I think
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that's part of the bigger, bigger world in which we
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: operate is Look, we are trying our hardest to shift
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that a little bit, you know, because we as a species,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: we certainly are making more people more of ourselves, we're
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: not necessarily, you know, doing as much to create more good,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: publicly accessible land.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: And that's a big.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Part of what gets me up every day and into
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the office and out in the field.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So got asked, new property, is it open to hunting?
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: Not this year?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: This is yhere. We got to take it to h
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And as you were saying, you know, b M A contracts,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: generally we finalize those in May or June.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it just wasn't the timing wasn't right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: Exactly exactly.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So I'd say, stay tuned, you know, we'll have a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: public access you know policy. I'd say by by next
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: summer and certainly by the next hunting season.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: So but what about but the road is open, road
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: is open, Okay.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So so folks can access all of the BLM and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: state land to the south. And also I'll just give
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: my usual safety plug, like don't drive your minivan down
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: in there, don't take the Corolla.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Watch the weather forecast.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Watch the weather forecast. Right now.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I just had a meeting with some of the BLM
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: monument folks this week and they were saying, there's a
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: there's a VW s u V rented from the Billings
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Airport that's been sitting down in there.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Since about May.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: It's nice and they couldn't get it out, so it's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it's rugged.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: You know, you got to do your homework before you
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: drive down in there.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't even try if it's going to rain or snow.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It's good advice, I think, Mike, before we let you go,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: thanks for all this really is good news. Can you
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: pull out your crystal ball and kind of give us
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: an idea of what we can expect from American prayer
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: kind of in the near future and and kind of
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: layout like what best case scenario, end goal would be
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: for you guys.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I think again, we recognize, hey, being around for twenty years,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you know, we're still earning trust. And that goes for
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you know, the general public, It goes for ranchers, it
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: goes for hunters, it goes for you know, folks who
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: are just curious about, you know, what this thing is.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: They've heard of.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So I'd say continue to look to us to you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: illustrate our or to underwrite our words. With deeds, you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: in terms of public access, you know, I used to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: get questions like, hey, are you guys, you know, is
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: this some sort of bait and switch. Are you guys
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: just offering public access? And then you're going to like lock.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: The gates up, right, That's something I'm absolutely not.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Like, we buy properties that have conservation easements on them.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: This year, we donated one hundred and nine acres to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the state of Montana to create a state park at
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Judith Landing. You know, we open previously landlocked public land
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: across our deeded roads and then assume the costs of
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: maintaining those roads. So I'd say, continue to judge us
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: on what we do. And you know, I think we
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: often say, look, you know, we're not asking for support
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: or endorsement, you know.
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: Do your homework, come to your own conclusion.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But we do ask for understanding, like just just understand
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: what we're actually doing. And in terms of public access, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably going to look a lot like
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: what you see right now, where you know, we're in
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the top ten largest landowners in the state enrolled in
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that block management access program with FVP, They're an incredible
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: agency to work with for your listeners outside the state.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, Montana is truly the last best place I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: think as an outdoors person and as a hunter in particular.
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: So it's a lot of it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You know, it's over eighty thousand acres available to hunt
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in that program. We're building a couple more backcountry huts
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in our huts system over the next two years, so
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you'll see more of those and just more chances to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: explore different parts of the prairie. Those have you've been
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: up there, know that you know some of it. It's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like incredibly steep, rugged Missouri breaks, ponderosa pines, kind of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: bighorn sheep habitat, and then you get out on other
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: parts and it's kind of the rolling sagebrush sea, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we want to create opportunities for people to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: go out and explore that and understand why this place
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: is so special and so worth.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: Protecting and handing on to the next generation.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Cool. What can people do to support you if they're
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: interested in doing.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: That, I'd say, you know, hey, from my standpoint, it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: come out and visit us. You can come out and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: see what it looks like on the ground, and you
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: can plan a trip by just going to our website,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: American Prairie dot org. We do have campgrounds, we have huts,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: but you can also just go out and load up
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: your backpack and walk off, you know, you know, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and spend the night. So I just encourage people to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: go up there and make a visit and put your
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: name in the hat for the bison harvest we offer.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, I've done it so far. I'm having
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: drawn Mike, so, you know, just saying just saying, thanks
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a lot, Mike, it was great talking to you. We'll
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: have to check back in with you, you know, and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: if something's happening, get in touch with us and and
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: we'll talk again.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: We'll do we'll do all right. Thanks man, We'll see
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: you guys.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's time to move on to some white Tail
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: week stuff. We're gonna do a throwback Thursday white Tail edition.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Go back on.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: A Thursday, Mom, Stephen Rody, take me back to night.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it. Did I mentioned Stephen Rody Old Ship.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I think you've mentioned that, Yeah, several times.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, this is where we're gonna We're gonna
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: pull out the the memories today and let you guys
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: share some some white tail stuff with us. I think
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you're up first, Randall already.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Phil, Oh, yes, I'll point out this picture is colored
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: very strangely. It's an archaic digital camera. It captures my
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: skin tone and blaze orange in a really weird way.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: But that blood trail on the right, oh yeah, real nice.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: This This, this is my biggest whitetail buck. I was
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: working construction at the time in two thousand and eight,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: and I was going to go down to a property
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: in Kentucky that we had permission to hunt. And on Friday,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: I was at the job site, had my truck all
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: loaded up, and they pulled me aside and told me
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: I was getting let go. And as soon as as
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: soon as they handed me my Cobra paperwork for poor
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: performance No.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: No.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Two thousand and eight, man, oh, I got yeah. It
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: was a big slowdown. So they I said, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I'm twenty two. I think it'll be fine, and I'm
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: going deer hunting. So my buddy went down there and
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: hunted with me the first weekend. I just stayed through
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: the week, and then he came down for the second
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: weekend and on day there's probably like day nine This
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: is what I mean. This is my idea of whitetail hunting.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Was just I'm gonna sit in the same tree for
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: like eight days, nine days in a row. I had
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: a little crotchboard set up there, and at some point,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: like my buddy was just going to walk across the
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: property at about ten or eleven o'clock. Yeah, it's it's
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: like a hilltop property that's sort of balled on top,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: and then like real dense stuff going down these fingers
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: down to the creek. So my buddy went across and
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I could hear him walking, and then all of a sudden,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: this buck. I'm basic set up on an old tractor road,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: like an old tractor path going down this hill, and
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: this buck just crosses, and so I whip around and
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: shoot off the back of the tree as he's about
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: to dive back into the woods, and he turns and
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: runs straight away from me, and I got off another shot.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Sort of ironic that we're talking Tyler here in a bit,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: because that was with a forty five seventy shooting.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Uh, because Ohio is well this shotguns and straight walls,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: this is this is Kentucky. Oh that was Kentucky.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I got you.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Well, it's just because the romance of the big straight
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: wall carches the size of your finger and turns out
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: that first shot missed, but that second one the trick
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: did the old did the old Texas heart shot very good,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: entered just inside of the ham right near the anus,
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: came out the front of that left hip and uh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: yeah it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Was now it happened. That's not a shot that we
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: would reckon men here at meat Eater. But Randall is
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: like such a marksman.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Well that was a follow up.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: I know, we don't really think that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: You know we went over there and and actually the
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: the landowner who was their scout masters showed up like
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: right then, and he's he's British and doesn't I mean,
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: he was just excited to have us hunting there and.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Oh you got a buck, you got a book, let's
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: see it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: And he drove the tractor down and we chained up
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: to the he like just fixed up antique tractors.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Then we hauled that thing up out of the bottom
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: and that was all. She wrote.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: That's still your biggest buck to date, biggest whitetail buck
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, where where is that? What's where is that?
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Thing.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Now. Oh, it's I've got in my home office.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I've got like nine deer heads just kind of scattered
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: on the little wall above it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Youro mount. That's a homemade ero mount too nice.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: So yeah, nice fun place. I wish I still uh
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: got to hunt that every year because yeah, deer in
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: the rut with a rifle.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Yep, speaks to me.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: All right, Jordan, you're up next. Let's see what you
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: got here.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: So this isn't from super long ago. This is a
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: few years ago. This was out of property pretty near
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: to where we live in East Texas, and I really
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: like it. It's I don't own it, but we have
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: permission to hunt it, and I like it because it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: so close to our house. I can take the kids,
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: you know, evening Sunday evening, which is when I shot
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: this buck. And I also like remembering this hunt because
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: it was I don't think it was quite the last
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: day of the season, but it was the last day
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: that I was gonna hunt. I think it was right
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: before the last day, and this buck came in like
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: five minutes maybe before shooting light ended. If if he'd
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: been in the tree line I was looking at in
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: the stand. I might not have you know, been able
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: to see him, but he came in across a field
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: and so I could see a silhouette, you know, against
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: the the sky that was still bright. And in Texas
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: we have antler restrictions, so it has to be thirteen
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: inches between. And I saw him, you know, silhouetted against
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: the sky, and I said, looks good. It looks looks
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: like it's going to be good. So shot him from
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: maybe fifty yards it was not a far shot with
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: with a six or five creed more and he went,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe forty or fifty yards, but he ran
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: kind of into the tree line, and so there was
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: a little bit of tension. And my son was with
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: me and he you know, if hunting ever becomes boring
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: or you know, kind of a drudgery, like take an
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: eight year old boy, you know with you. Because he
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: was the most stickxcited.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: He was high five.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Was that the first deer had been a part of it?
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Was Yeah, he'd been around when I'd brought deer home
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: to like, you know, clean him and butcher them. But
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: this was the first one, the first hunt that he'd
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: been a part of.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Is he now, is he hot?
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: Now he is.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he got he got a doe last year.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Oh great, yeah, great.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: So he came down with, you know, with me, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I like wanted to do it right, like find some blood,
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: follow the trail, but he just like right into the woods,
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: you know, and of course he found it first, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: just like that's excited.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's okay, Well cool, you get you gonna get
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: him after a buck this year?
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: He yeah, he wants to. Yeah that's for sure, but
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: we'll see, all.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Right, guess that leaves me. This is when was this like, I.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Don't know, mid two thousands, A little.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: No, it's like same, same camera quality as similar right.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Around the same time as would you say, oh wait.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet this camera ran on a double a battery.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Anyway, this is back in Pennsylvania where like this is
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: a place I grew up hunting. This my buddy buddy's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: dad's land. My buddy's dad has now passed away, but
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: my buddy still hunts his property.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: And this this was.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: The first like big nice buck I had ever shot
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. Grew up deer hunting. But like when I
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: was growing up, man like there just wasn't very many
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: big bucks around like this one. They just didn't live
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: long enough. We would see a shit ton of deer hunting,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: but it would be like twenty two does and a
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: spike in a day of hunting, and like you just
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: shot whatever buck you had a chance to shoot. This
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: picture was taken I think maybe a couple years after
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: they the state implemented Antler point restrictions. In Pennsylvania's Antler
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: point restrictions aren't like.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: With like Texas.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: It's at the time it was most of the state
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: was three on one side, and this in northwestern Pennsylvania
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: it was three on one side plus a brow time
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and a lot of guys were like very against this
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: new regulation at the time, but it really started paying
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: off quickly, Like you know, a percentage like of those
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: year and a half old bucks, a large percentage of
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: those year and a half old bucks that would have
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: gotten shot now had a chance to at least get
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to another year. And now in Pennsylvania, like they're killing
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: big bucks, which was just not a thing that happened
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: very often when I was a kid. So yeah, that's
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: like my one and only nice big Pennsylvania buck there.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: The same thing happened in Texas where people were very
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: against the Antler restrictions.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: First and now you talk to pretty much everyone and
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: they say it was a good thing. Yeah, you know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: we're seeing a lot more big deer.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: It works. Some places, it doesn't work others they've like
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Colorado tried it with mule deer. It was just like
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: it didn't work, just like it was a failed experiment.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: But like it's definitely worked in Pennsylvania. All right, Phil,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: do we got some action in the chat?
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Got a lot of action. Oh geez, I'm being less
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: picky about my questions here since getting so many complaints
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Leland.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I've heard you ask this question, I think for a
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: month now, so I'm just gonna bring it up. Let's
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: get it out of the way. What are the functional
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: differences between alpaca and marino wool? If any, if any
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: of you can speak to this.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: This question should be directed to the experts at first light.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this sounds like yeah, why I question?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Leland, thanks for being here.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Never tried out packa socks.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Here we go. Question for Randall and the chat regarding
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: hot dogs? Anyone made Venison hot dogs? Have you done this? Randall?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Tips?
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: If not? Steve and I were just talking yesterday about
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: making a video trying to make the best venison hot dog.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, close as I've come is making brats you do.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, my understanding is that you do truly to
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: address the last sentence there. You do truly have to
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: emulsify it, just make it into goo. The tough thing
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: is going to be the snap. So we're we're discussing
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: that yesterday. You want a good, a good positive snap
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: on the dog. But we will hopefully address this in
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: a video at some point.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Cool uh Ian asks on the heels of the CLBD podcast,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: how often do you guys get your deer and elk tested?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I get them all or there with signs on the animal,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: cause I've just gone to get.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Them all tested.
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And in some places, like where I'm gonna hunt in
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Colorado this year, it's mandatory. In other places it's a voluntary.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: But I've just like I got, I just get them
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: all tested.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Now, I just I test them when they're required. And
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: uh obviously like in Montana here we have big game
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: checkpoints and so they sort of catch you in a
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: funnel to track animals moving across the state. And so
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: at some of those still test, But yeah, I haven't.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever voluntarily submitted something for testing.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you had kids, proud of that, if you
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: had kids, you might.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: Look at it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Or if I valued my own health.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a joke. That's a joke.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I know, Jordan, you doing that down and those Texans
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: just care.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: Our our CWD problem, you know, tends to be with
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: the breeding facilities.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like that everywhere. I mean when you look
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: at like the spread a map from like the US
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's the USGS. Maybe it's fish and wildlife.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but you can look at a map
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and see where these outbreaks start and it's like almost
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: guarantee that in the center of that thing, Yeah, there's
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: a high fence.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and there are I know, there are areas where
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: the wild population, you know, there is a problem, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: there may be mandatory testing there, but not where where
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: I'm hunting.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: So, speaking of kids, question for Brody and Jordan. Adam's
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: taking a six year old daughter on her first hunt
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: this weekend, DIY blind in the woods. Do I let
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: her try and shoot or just sit and watch me
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: do it. I want to give her a good experience.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: There's too many unknowns here, like has she practiced, has
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: she put in the time, does she want to? Does
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: she want to? Has she been exposed to it at
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: all yet?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I what hunt?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming deer, but I don't know. I'm assuming it's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: a deer from in my opinion, like you see a
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: lot of pictures of five six year old kids like
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: holding the buck up. In my opinion, it's a little
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: too early simply because they don't really know what they're doing.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: They like don't understand it yet. It's not that you
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: can't set them up with a rifle that'll work and
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I would probably do the shooting
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and see how she reacts if she hasn't had any
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: exposure to it yet.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Jordan, Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. And you know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: if you get something that's plenty of excitement for us, sure.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And walk walk through the skin and in the gut
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: and all like all that stuff tends to like as
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: long as you don't be like this is going to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: be a little gross, like don't do any of that,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Just like do it, and they're probably going to be fascinated.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: But yeah, Jackson asks, do you think the same arguments
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: against crossbows aka arrow guns, according to Rody, should be
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: applied to the use of TSS turkey loads and long
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: range rifles. Never used a crossbow, but I've always thought
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: that the hate was odd. I agree.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I don't get the hate. What's he talking about turkey loads?
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like the super No, Like there's.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Like no way. They're just like like you're arguing against
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: being more effective at killing turkeys, Like I don't. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: don't agree with that, and I don't think there's like
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: any possible way you could.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Like turn back the clock, turn back the clock.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: And the long range rifles, it's like like I don't
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: see how you could even come up with an enforceable regulation.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the only thing, the only thing that
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: I'm familiar with is the Idaho restriction on you can't
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: have a rifle heavier than sixteen pounds. I had no idea,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: and I do have a rifle that what doesn't mean
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: that Idaho right restriction?
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but no, I should really own rifle.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: But I agree, like the arguments like against crossbows, like
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I just don't get it. Like everybody's like, oh, this
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: sky's falling, all the deer are going to get killed. Like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: why you can go hunt elk with a crossbow as
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: far as I know in Wyoming during archery season and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: like there hasn't been like any change there's and there's
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: still plenty of white tails where crossbows are eagle.
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: Like.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I don't get the.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: Hate, but whatever.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Some some bow hunters, I'd rather that they have a crossbow,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: sure for the sake of the animals.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I know there's people other people here at
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Meteor that probably wouldn't agree.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: With the cross both.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: I started hunting with a crossbow because I didn't have
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: like an archery background. My parents didn't hunt, but I was.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: They were encouraging and you could go out and get
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: a crossbow and you knew how to site it in
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: and yeah we're drilling deer at you know, fifty yards
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: and super effective.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah what do you think?
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I agree, it's you know, fears of
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: all the deer being gone definitely overblown. I think if
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: you've spent you know, hours and hours trying to shoot
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: a compound bow accurately and then someone comes in with
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: the crossbow, I I do understand that, but you could
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: say the same.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: You could say this like the trad bow guys could
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: say the same exact thing, like those pound guys. It's
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: so easy. They got sites and all. Like it's just
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a never ending cascade of arguments method of take arguments
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that end up just being horseshit.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: As far as far as I'm concerned, Yeah, yeah, I
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: think the the whatever species population that should be the
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: first concern. Yeah, you know, and if that's not a concern,
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: it's maybe not worth getting two worked up about.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: There you go anymore fail.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've had a lot of it. Let's do
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: one more than save the rest for the end of
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the show, and then any additional one. Since the publishing
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: team is here, when is meat Eater going to come
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: out with a book made for babies?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think you're gonna see that. Never
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: say never. Maybe Jordan will write one. Oh you're still
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: having babies?
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: We have a one and a two year old, man.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm like way past that point.
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember what it was like for my kids.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: To be babies.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: And and I'll just put out there that we know
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: what books were writing until till we die.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: At this point.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah, not something i'd count on, right. All right,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: we're all done with those film.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Well unless you want to keep going, but we can.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: We've got the end of this time, is it. We're
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: running a little long.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: So let's move on to our next interview. All right, everybody.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Our next guest is Tyler Freele, who is a writer
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: for Outdoor Life and he hosts his own podcast called
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Tundra Talk. And if you didn't catch Tyler on the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Meat Eater podcast, we had him on AK I don't
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: know a year like this morning season I think yeah,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: episode five oh six, you can you can check it out.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And if you're not familiar with his work, just like
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Jordan Siller's here, he has a wealth of knowledge about
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: firearms and rifle cartridges in particular, and that's mostly what
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: we're gonna chat about with him today. Tyler, you on
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the line, buddy, Yeah, I think so great. Thanks for
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: joining us from up and up in Fairbanks, Alaska.
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: I'm in I'm in Wyoming right now.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Oh man, what do you hunt?
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: What do you.
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: I shot a nice antelope yesterday.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Great, I'm about to do that in a week or
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: so before we get into shooting. Great, big animals with
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: teeny little rifle cartes. How'd your moose hunt go?
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: Uh, it was pretty disappointing this year.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: That's funny because I heard the same from from other people.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: It was tough hunt this year up there.
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I don't people like to blame it
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: on a lot of things. We we spent fourteen days hunting,
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: and the first ten days are kind of in the
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: prime time, and where we hunt, we have to call them.
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: We're just in this swop that you can't there's a
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: couple of spots we can see.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: But you hunt out of a elevated stand, don't you.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: We we got a big tripod so you can get
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: up over the brush. Otherwise you just just can't see anything. Yeah,
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: And uh, the first ten days basically, you know, we hunt,
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: you know, five six hours in the morning and five
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: six hours in the evening usually, and every time we
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: went and called, we heard multiple bulls. They just would
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: not they just would not come.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: So, as in Alaskan who hunts like like that, getting
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: that moose every year is I'm assuming, kind of important. So, like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: how's your winter meat supply looking? And what are you
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: going to do to make up for not getting a bull.
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm I think I'm sitting okay for now, we
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: do depend on it, but I like having a little
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: bit of a surplus just the way. You know, I
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: usually killed a bowl every year, and so we at
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: least the the size of my children. Now we aren't
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: consuming the whole thing every year. Oh yeah, we got
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: We've got a fair bit of moose. And then I've
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: got about three to four hundred pounds of black bear meat.
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: There you go, easier that, you know, I make into
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: various Yeah, you.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Guys really get after those bears.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I I I don't know what I love. I
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: I love just kill bears, like I'm a.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you'll make it through the winter
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: without starving. What what I really wanted to have you
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: on today to talk about is is I feel like
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: you've got like a very realistic take on the effect
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the effectiveness of what many hunters, not all, but a
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: fair amount of hunters considered to be like undersized, underpowered
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: rifle cartridges for big game animals. Like I've kind of
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: always found the hate from like the Magnum, the Magnum
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: crowd for like the six or five creed more in
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: particular to be frankly kind of stupid. I've killed a
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: pile of deering out with six or five creed more
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: and I have nothing but good things to say about
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's effectiveness. What you know, a lot of white
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: tail and antelope hunters that they aren't strangers to use
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: in smaller rifle cartridges. But you know, you've taken it
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: a step further and proven that these smaller cartridges are
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: capable of like cleanly killing everything from from bears to moose. So, like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: talk us through how you got to that point, Like
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: how and why you became kind of like whatever you
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: want to call a small cartridge evangelist.
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and whether whether it's by my own choice or
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: not to to that's I guess, I guess where I'm at.
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: I I grew up.
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: I grew up in southern Colorado for the most part,
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: and you know, it was a lot of twenty five
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: ought six stuff. But even after I moved to Alaska,
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: you know, I I started out with a thirty hot
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: six I'd bought and killed just about everything with it,
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: and then I quickly got really into sheep hunting and
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: a lot of twenty five ought six So I just
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: started shooting everything with that, and uh, you know, family
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: over over many years of hunting up there. You know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: my uncle always swore that the two forty three Winchester
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: is one of the best black bear guns, and it
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: just killed piles and piles of black bears with it,
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: and it was just kind of something that I just
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: took as a matter of fact, you know, kill a
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: moose with my twenty five ought six or you know
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: whatever I was using, and you know, in the six
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: or five creed More is kind of its own thing.
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: I was shooting competitively across the course student service rifle
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: when that was introduced, and I kind of thought that
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: sounds like it'd be a good cheap cartridge. And right,
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: a couple of years later, when the first rifle, the
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: first hunting rifle was public was released in it by Ruger.
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: I got one and shot a sheep with it and
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: with a match bullet, and that's cool shots and blacktail
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: deer and kind of moved on. And it was you know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: once this six' Five creedmore got, popular you, know then
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: there was this kind of vitriol and responsive hate to,
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: it WHICH i understand a lot of. It that a
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: lot of the annoyance because there are you, know, know
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: quite have been quite a few fairly ignorant opinions on you,
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: know saying that it can do things it can't do
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: right or shouldn't really be used. FOR i mean that's
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: kind of WHERE i got to Where i'm. At and,
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: then you, know over the last you, know we've all
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: seen over the last few, years just the advancement in
• 50:18
  Speaker 8: some of these smaller caliber you, know heavy for heavy
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: for caliber projectiles that are super efficient buck the wind really.
• 50:26
  Speaker 8: Well and So i've started kind of getting further and
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: further And i'm not afraid IF i If i'm do
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: my researching and convinced something will, work, Okay i'm not
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: afraid to try. It. Right so, far the results have
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: been like really really pleasing and and since, starting you,
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: know since working full time for outdoor, LIFE i, mean
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: MY i, SHOOT i shoot a ridiculous, amount and it's
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: just kind of just solidified a lot of points THAT
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: i think a lot of, times you, know we focus
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: on things like cartridge when when there are a lot
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: more important things that are going to contribute to our.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Success one THING i wanted to ask, you, Like i'm
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: kind of curious how you feel like when you're using
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: say a six five creed more even smaller cartridge and
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: you're shooting like larger game animals maybe not like white
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: tails or you, know antelope or something like. That like
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: how big of a role do you feel like bullet
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: selection is playing like to be effective and and and
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: like has like advancement and bullet technology like really made
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: it possible for these, newer smaller caliber cartridges to play
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: a role in big game. Hunting, YEAH i think.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: It plays a. ROLE i think it's kind of raised
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: THE i think it's kind of raised the bar over you,
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: know the capability overall has. Increased they've always been effective
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: in some. WAYS i mean even in the early nineteen,
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: hundreds you, Know Frank Frank glazer was killing moose with
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: a two two swift and claimed it was the killed
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: everything you, know with just these super crappy forty eight green.
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: Bullets and SO i think that that bullet manufacturer has
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: bullet technology has really contributed to. That and also it's
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: it's made it easier to, hit you, know it's made
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: it easier to shoot. Accurately, yeah.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: And, yeah we're past the days of like round Nose
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: remington core locks that.
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: Everybody, Yeah and one you, know one thing like the
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: heavier for caliber bullets are so much. LONGER i DON'T
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: i don't play into sectional density too, much but you
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: know you get a much longer core of lead even
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: in these expanding bullets that that you'll get better penetration than,
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: say you, know an older or like a larger caliber
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: bullet of the same weight that's all. Shorter and that's
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: just one little. Factor and try to get too far
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: in the weeds on.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah we want to keep bit. Simple do you
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: guys have any any questions For?
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Tyler, YEAH i guess.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: You're shooting primarily match bullets or real frangible.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Bullets, uh these Times i've been.
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: Shoot i've been shooting more particularly like the The hornet
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: to YELD m. Bullets BUT i, mean, honest, like IF
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: i had to just, pick you, know one of my
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: favorite bullets, overall it's that YELD, x which is it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: it's not quite AS i and even saying frangible AS
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: i don't know that THAT'S i wouldn't say that that's
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: a really really accurate but it is a more rigidly,
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: constructed constructed. Bullet heavier jacket and there's a locking ring
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: in the jacket that they are going to tend to
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: hold together a little, better but you still get really
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: good rapid expansion and and. Performance SO i MEAN i
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: would say that that that style of bullet is probably my. Favorite.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, still, YEAH i always Get i'm always. CONFUSED i
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: GUESS i don't.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: Know it strikes me as sort of strange that people
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: talk so much about cartridges and then they don't talk
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: about bullets and bullet. Construction, yeah because the only thing
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: when you're killing an animal that the question is like
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: what work that bullet does on that animal's? Tissue and
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: that's like what is the bullet made out? Of how
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: fast does it hit? It and does it hit it
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: where you want to hit it? Right and like none
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: of that is really you can do, It like depending
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: on whatever the head stamp, is you can do a.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Lot you can do a lot of different things and
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: end up with a lot of different wounds on an.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Animal but the bullet is, really, like to my, mind
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: the most important part of the.
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: Equation, yeah AND i THINK i think you hit the
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: nail on the. HEAD i, mean that's we are kind
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: of you, know as a whole a lot of hunters
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: tend to make whether it's just the way we're brought
• 54:46
  Speaker 8: up in. It you, know we think cartridge, power kinetic,
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: energy where you know what your bullet construction and what's
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: your impact velocity going to, be you, know because there
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: are people that have done stuff that's you, know kind
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: of stupid with the six to five creed. More but
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: if you if you stay within a reasonable impact velocity,
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: range you, know where you could still shoot really well
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: and hit what you need. To they like it's it
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: shouldn't surprise anyone that it. Works, right you poke a
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: couple holes.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Through their, lungs they're going to die pretty. Quick, jordan
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you got anything For?
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Tyler?
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: YEAH i guess one of the things you hear, from you,
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: know the folks who want to use the more Powerful
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: magnum cartridges is you, KNOW i want to dump as
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: much energy into the animal as, possible maybe induce hydrostatic.
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: Shock so it just kind of falls down right.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: There what do you what?
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: Is where do you stand on that sort of?
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: ARGUMENT i would say that it's it's kind of a
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: misconception or not like a poor understanding of a you,
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: know what you should expect when you shoot an animal
• 55:47
  Speaker 8: and you, know just the capabilities or or like terminal ballistics,
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: itself because animals react totally. Differently And i've heard this
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: and whether it's framed IS i want more margin for?
• 55:59
  Speaker 8: Error but, well what does? That what does that really?
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: Mean and you Know i've heard, people you, know because
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: talking about shoot even shooting. Moose it's, well if they
• 56:08
  Speaker 8: soak this, up then this other cartridge isn't going to.
• 56:10
  Speaker 8: Work well that's just a poor understanding of what we
• 56:14
  Speaker 8: should expect from the animal because there's a variety of
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: reactions and the only thing you can really control is.
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: Putting you, know using a bullet's going to put a you,
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: know an acquate size hole through that thing's vitals and
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: placing it, accurately and the animal is going to. Die
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: it might it might drop in its you. Know the
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: ANTELOPE i shot yesterday folded like a lawn. Chair and
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: THEN i watched another one with a bullet that was
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: did some you know more damage to, it shot perfectly
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: and it didn't fall over for fifteen or twenty, seconds,
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: yeah you, know and and both were both were perfect.
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: Shots you, know it's just the. Result results will, vary
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: and you, know a lot of times we we, have you,
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: know a spectacular result or what we interpret is that
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: and we don't you, know it's it's a small sample
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: size that kind of falls within a wide range of.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Possibilities all, right let's, uh let's speaking to. Results if
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: any of you are still doubting like What tyler is
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: saying about the capabilities of some of these these smaller bore,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: CARTRIDGES i want you to check out a video that
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: he made last year when he killed you, know In,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: alaska you come bull moose is probably like sixteen pounds
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: with it was with a twenty two Arc, Tyler is that?
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah and yep eighty Eight and all right.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Enough nerd Out. Randall before you chime in to like
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: talk trash about how this plays, OUT i want you
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: to first think about. THIS i killed An alaska bull
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: moose last year with a three hundred win mag and
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: it took three good hits to put that bull. Down
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: so like keep that in mind as you're watching what
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: this this. Video, phil you can go ahead and roll
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: roll the tape, Here, Okay.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I'm ready whenever if you got to clear, shot oh.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: A lot of, brush you don't want to do it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: He's.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Done it sounds like my boy's hunting.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: Squirrels he's down or, no he's standing there.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Now like this this is kind of What i'm talking,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: About like before you chime in talking, trash he's getting
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: woozy and there he. Goes so no matter what you
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: or me, Say, tyler, like there's gonna be some grumpy
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: haters that would be like you had to shoot them three.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Times it took forever for him to tip. Over but
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: like with a big bull, moose that's not unusual with
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: a with a, great big caliber because it's a huge
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: animal and it just takes them a long time to bleed, out,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Right so So i've got to believe that like part
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: of the advantage in the situation you were just in
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: is that you were able to like bear like stay
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: on target and like get real quick accurate follow up
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: shots because you're just like not dealing with. Recoil, right, yeah,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: No and you, know and that was that was a
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: gas gun and the first.
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: Shot and in the funny thing is like, say if
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: if you shoot something more than once with a small,
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: cartridge you know it was it wasn't enough. Gun but
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: if you shoot them more than once with a big.
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: Cartridge they're, tough, right you, Know like the first shot
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: at the first shot was perfectly through both, lungs and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: that you, know it may it's only it's all. Speculation
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: he may have gone another fifty, yards, right you, know
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: but just based on as one of the REASONS i
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: chose to do that is Because i've quite a bit
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: of experience with how moose, die you, know the situations
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: that we're shooting him in, there and, felt you, know
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: obviously confident enough to try, it and, uh you, know
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: and and actually getting the the second shot where he.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: Turned it hit him unfortunately in the hind, quarter but
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: you know all you, know making limit lemonade out of.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: Lemons it was pretty imp like that bullet went through
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: ten inches of meat and then she completely shattered the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: femur and was ended up, somewhere ended up somewhere in the.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: Guts but the first and third shot were both both
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: through the, lungs and, yeah it was.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Impressive. Man all, right we're we're we're gonna have to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: to move on to our next, Segment, tyler but thanks
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: for joining. Us stay in. Touch it's like probably almost
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: winter up there in Fair. Banks i'd imagine it's getting.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Close SO i have a great fall and winner up
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: up there and we'll talk to, you talk to you another.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: Time that sounds.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: Great all, right thanks a, Lot Thanks, Tyler, yeah thank.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: You, okay our next, section next. Segment, again if you didn't,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: realize it's white tail week here At Meat, Eater and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: since everyone loves just kicking back and talking, hunting shooting
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: the breeze about, hunting which is SOMETHING i think we
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: should do more of on this, show and so so
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: does the HONEST i think we're gonna have a little
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: chat about what our dream white tail hunt With beat would. Be, so,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: boys do you got, like do you already have like
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: a bucket list white tail hunting mind or is this
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: something that you had to like really stop and think.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: ABOUT i, MEAN i.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: Feel Like I'm i'm still trying to figure it out
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: In East texas a little. Bit BUT i would love
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: to go do a western white tail. HUNT i grew
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: up In virginia and now In East. Texas We west
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: is big. Man you got to pick a, Spot, well
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: what would you recommend for The? Montana if you like white,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: tails there you. Go, Yeah i'd love to do. That
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: just getting out of the tree. Stand you, know it's it's.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: It's what you.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Got there's plenty of opportunity for that, HEREAH i, Mean
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: wyoming's got some good whitetail. Hunting colorado like has some
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: giant white tail box but they're most they're almost all
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: in the eastern half of the, state and it's almost
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: all private land right, Right like if you want to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: do a public land, hunt it'd be hard for me
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: to pick somewhere other Than. Montana, yeah, YEAH i mean
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: that that just sounds great getting to see that, landscape walk,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: around do a rifle.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: Hunt it'd be a lot of.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: FUN i had to think about this a little.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: BIT i don't necessarily know that their bucket list bucket list.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: HUNT a bucket list hunt for me would be like
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: going to the most exclusive white tail property that has
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: the biggest bucks and shooting. It but the one Hunt
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: i've always wanted to do just been fascinated, by is
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: uh doing like a North woods.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Tracking in the, snow like like like In.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: Maine you know you see some of, Those just LIKE
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: i just think that's that would be sort of the,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: coolest most mind expanding the.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Atonics and, like oh, yeah it super. COOL i think
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: like low deer densities like tracking a.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: Buck, yeah wear a wool, hat carry a lever.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Gun, yep, yeah, yep very.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Cool, YEAH i like that.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Idea mine would be something like it's like totally out
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: of my my comfort zone and like hunting. STYLE i would,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: like this is SOMETHING i would like mentally have a
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: tough time, with But i'd still want to do. It
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: which is uh one of Those saskatchewan hunts where you're
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: sitting in a blind and it's like minus ten degrees
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: but you're hunting during the, rut and like you're hunting
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: for these like three hundred plus pound white, Tails like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: they'll have like one hundred and fifty inch rack and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: it looks small because the deer just so. GIANT i
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: think that would be a super cool. Experience it would
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: like be, miserable but it would be cool.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Too.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, NO i think one of the cool things about
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: white tails is there's just so many different.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Ways, yeah you can do, it that's, yeah like pick a,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Spot stans.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: Drives i've also been really intriguing WHENEVER i see an
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: image of a white tail deer in a canoe.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Gives me a little something in my.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Brain, yeah definitely, definitely a water based hunt would be real. Cool, Okay,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Phil let's let's jump back into the. Chat is everyone
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: talking about white tails or guns or.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: What there's a lot of gun talk during during The
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Tyler real. Conversation not a lot of, questions though there's.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: There you, KNOW i love this chat because they just
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: talk amongst themselves and share info and opinions and they're
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: all very kind about. It you guys. Rock but we
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: do have a lot a lot of questions. Still this
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: is From harrison and he, says question for the, crew
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: do do you use a packable game sled for deer and?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Elk if, so which one do you? Recommend he's right
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: rifle elk hunting this year and wants to use.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Honey you should ask, That, Like i'm gonna be trying
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: one out this. Year Hopefully i'll get the opportunity to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: try out a packable. Sled i've used sleds in the,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: past mostly for, elk but like the ice fishing sled
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: type things like where you shoot it then go back
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: to get the sled and then bring it out and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: use it to pack the animal out the. Quarters out
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: of whether we had to do that with my kids
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: elk last, Year So i'm, Like i'm definitely interested in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: the roll up sleds or packable.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: Sleds.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah i've For Sydney's. Bison we used like a pelican,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: sled like a big ice fishing. Sled i've used an
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: Orange it's like a burlier kids. Sled, yeah and the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: roll up ones are like, no like an actual like like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: yeah and that has BEEN i had one miserable experience with.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: It and one, experience man is.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Like when you're running that kind of, sled like the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: snow condition's got to be just right for it to.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: Work.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: WELL i feel like if you if you count on
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: packing it out in a, sled you're kind of setting
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: yourself up For like it's a nice thing to have
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: if the conditions are, right but like.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: There's there's something that's just.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: Really straightforward ABOUT i will put this on my back
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: and carry it right right because because OFTENTIMES i feel
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: like the sled can be way more work than just
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: carrying it.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Out, yeah and certain snow, conditions for, SURE i.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Agree good luck to, You.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Harrison imagine you're not using a sledge too, much.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Is or.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Snow i've never heard of.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: THIS i do LIKE i do like using for like
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: a winter backpack.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: Hunt i'll pull a sled behind, Me AND i do
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: like if you just if you're putting like thirty pounds
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: in it that you're not going to have in your,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: backpack that's that's.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Nice but, yeah AND i think there are situations where it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Doesn't even with some of these packable, sleds you could
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: probably pull it off without. Snow in the right like,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: landscape you could still use a sled where the slide slide.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: It, yeah so hopefully that answers the.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Question this one's very funny to, me AND i don't
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: know if it means. Anything we can just move on
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: if it. Doesn't rashad, says last WEEK i did an
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: expensive fishing.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Charter was there cheap fishing?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Charters that's a good. Point we limited out and the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: captain told me to leave one of our. FISH i
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: thought he was, joking but he took one out of my.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Bag never discussed, beforehand thoughts that's not.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Cool, YEAH i mean it's not that he should Have
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Captain price should have said something. Advanced but like if
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: you're walking out of there with just like A i
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're fishing for what the limit. Was you,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: KNOW i don't got a problem with leaving the guy
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: a fish necessarily if it was like done in a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: rude way where like give me one of.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: Those things OR i, MEAN i think like it comes
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: down to if you really if it was a, question,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: yeah and he's, Like i'd appreciate a.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Fish you're not stepping off my.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: YEAH i MEAN i had, people.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: Had people give me some of their fish if they
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: didn't want to take you, home and BUT i didn't
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: ask people for.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: It there's also situations where the captain's going to fish
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: and give you his, fish right, Right, SO i mean
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: again LIKE i don't know the details.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: HERE i don't like.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: It thanks for shot, Great, jordan Says. Phil if you
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: don't bring up The randall's di y chili dogs at
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: the football, game it will be a. TRAVESTY i told.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: So this is about a new Real randall posted On
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: instagram where one of the new reel he brought a
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: zip lock bag full of. CHILI i don't know you, Guys,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: okay if you have not seen, this just go To Randall's.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Instagram it is it is obscene behavior From.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: Randall it's.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: MISSING i was really hoping BECAUSE i looked up all
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: the rags on getting stuff in. THERE i was kind
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: of THINKING i was gonna have to stash, it you,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: know like.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: A like keep it warm in your, rocket bring it
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: into the.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: MOVIE i feel like a gatory bottle of liquor tucked
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: into your, pants like we used to do at The bengals.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: Games but, no if you have food that you want
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: to bring, in it's totally, fine and it abides by
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: the NFL's bag. Policy you just fit it in a
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  Speaker 5: gallon sized. Baggie and SO i was really hoping THAT
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  Speaker 5: i would have a confrontation and THEN i could pull
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  Speaker 5: out my phone Where i'd screenshoted the rules and SAID
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  Speaker 5: i know my.
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  Speaker 4: Rights but that didn't. Happen the.
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  Speaker 5: Infiltration was actually very anti, climatic But i'm glad you enjoyed.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: It, NONETHELESS i enjoyed. IT i tickled myself with.
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  Speaker 3: That colin's wondering what piece of first like year is
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  Speaker 3: the crew's favorite for cold Late midwestern elite season archery.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Hunts you got a guy From texas who hunts when
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: it's never cold and, rarely got two other guys who
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: don't hunt cold late season archery. HUNTS i don't like
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: sitting still AND i don't hunt from tree stands too,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: much BUT i would imagine like going with a bib
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: system is the way.
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  Speaker 4: To go for that. SITUATION I i got to look
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  Speaker 4: up the name of this.
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  Speaker 5: Jacket, yeah as a bad uh insulated bibs as a bad,
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  Speaker 5: person and some great.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Big warm jacket that you can still drop bow.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: With, yeah there's a Fleece jesus is.
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  Speaker 2: Embarrassing they just didn't pick the right uh like white
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  Speaker 2: tail experts for this.
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  Speaker 5: Show, Randall, NO i, KNOW i know there's a fleece
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  Speaker 5: jacket that's got like a like a windbreaker player in,
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  Speaker 5: it AND i can't find it r at the. Moment
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  Speaker 5: but that thing is incredibly and yeah it's, fleece so
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  Speaker 5: it's very, quiet like it's shockingly. Warm it's probably one
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  Speaker 5: of my favorite jackets that just.
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  Speaker 2: Wear go On First light's website and just go to
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  Speaker 2: like the white tail section and they'll have like cold weather.
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  Speaker 2: Gear you'll find some good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: There.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, Sorry i'm bad at this, Selling.
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  Speaker 3: Cody this IS i guess, general just traveling with meat
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  Speaker 3: tips and things to keep in mind for getting my
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: access deer cape and meat home From. Hawaii humble. Brag
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  Speaker 3: BUT i guess if you guys have any sort of
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: tips about flying With i've.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Not flown with a, cape but like you're probably gonna
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: want to like get it frozen and keep it. Frozen
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: that's a good. Question would you salt a cape before traveling.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: With it TO? I, POSSIBLY i don't have a kind
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  Speaker 4: of experienced.
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  Speaker 2: Phil you're just picking really, bad like difficult questions for us.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Today the meat's, easy freeze it and keep it. COLD
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: i would think the same thing for the. Cape and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: there might be like call attacks at irmis and they'll
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: tell you like if you want to assault it or.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever, YEAH i don't know.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: That WHEN i flew back From alaska with my, BEAR
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  Speaker 5: i don't know that we salted it and you couldn't
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: freeze it because they had to check. It, yeah well
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: you froze it like a thaw and then we threw
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: it in the freezer again at the.
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  Speaker 3: Hotel but, Yeah, brodie it's either these questions or the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: ones about video games AND d AND. D i'm trying
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: to spare you from the.
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  Speaker 2: Questions JUST i feel like we're like just not like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: these people are going to be disappointed with our.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Answers, well it sounds like a you.
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  Speaker 2: Problem oh let's see, here you're picking.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Them oh, yeah some. Brad i'm late late in, life
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: first time hunter at thirty. Five i've listened and watched
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: you guys for years and read a bunch of huge
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: part of me wants to test myself and go alone
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: versus going with anyone. Else go.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Alone, yeah, like you will learn so much by hunting.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Alone you might you might fail where you otherwise might
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: succeed if you had someone who knows more than. You but,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: like go hunt. Alone that's All i'm gonna.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: Say it depends on what you're. DOING i, think like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: if you're doing if you're doing a wilderness type hunt
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: you have to.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Or.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: ANYTHING i guess like it depends on how you do
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: being by yourself doing.
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  Speaker 2: Something it could be tough in an entire, day for,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: sure if you're.
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  Speaker 5: Going to struggle without someone and not be able to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: keep your head in the. Game, uh you, know find
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: a buddy or find a. Mentor but if you're if
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: you're you know yourself and you know that you can
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: handle that sort of, thing go for.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: It, Yeah LIKE i, MEAN i don't know if he's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: saying go alone for the first. First it does say
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: late in my FIRST.
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  Speaker 3: I think the implication is that it would be his
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: first time going.
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  Speaker 2: Out, oh THEN i retract my, answer go with someone
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: else the first couple of, times but don't be afraid
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: to go out hunt by.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: Yourself the chalice. Jacket there you, go the chalice. Jacket
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: to sort of clean up one of our earlier. Misses
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  Speaker 5: the feel like we're back on.
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  Speaker 3: Track jrp, Fellow bob cratchit over. Here i'd give you
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  Speaker 3: the Secret Bob cratch a, handshake but you're you're not
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: in the room with. Sick you want to do one?
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  Speaker 2: More one?
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  Speaker 3: More, OKAY i think we've. Talked we've talked about stuff
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: like this. Before chester's not, here But i'll ask it
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: anyways From jerr Maybe. Jerry here's an etiquette question for.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Y'all do you get a you get a deer on
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: private land you were given permission to? Hunt how much
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: meat would be appropriate to give the landowner as a thank?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: YOU i try to clear that up before the hunt
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: and just, say, look IF i get, one do you want?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Some and go from.
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  Speaker 2: Prepared that's a great. IDEA i think you, know it's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: going to depend on the, person but a lot of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: times they may not even want Any.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it's good to asking ahead of. Time, yeah, Cool,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: phil anything?
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  Speaker 2: ELSE i, mean we can do, more but let's move.
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  Speaker 2: On i'm about TO i GOT i got a frog
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  Speaker 2: in my.
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  Speaker 4: Throat sounds.
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  Speaker 2: Good i'm gonna try and get through.
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  Speaker 4: This do you want me to do?
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  Speaker 8: This?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah you can let her.
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