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Episode 167. Trapped (2002) · B&R at the Movies

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, everybody.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back for another episode of B and R at the Movies Podcast.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: I am Barry.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Robin.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so this week was my choice of film.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: And after flip-flopping all over the all over the place and changing my mind about 14 years.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: I have decided on a older film.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I decided that we're going to watch the 2002 film Trapped.
• 0:42
  unknown: Trapped.
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  SPEAKER_01: This stars Kevin Bacon, Charlie Stheron, Courtney Love, Stuart Townsend, and Pruitt, Taylor, Vince, and Dakota fanning.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: So they're Dakota must be pretty young.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: She was yeah, she was definitely pretty young on this one.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um so uh from 2000 2002.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um it I don't know.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was like at the time, I feel like it probably wasn't it didn't really it wasn't on a lot of people's radar.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I was kind of kind of more like flying under the under the radar a little bit.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I was also uh in Afghanistan in 2002, so wasn't really aware of what was going on film-wise during during a good portion of that time.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: So uh that might have a little something to do with as well.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's I I like it because it's um it's a thriller, but it's it's kind of got a unique um look at the way this thriller is put together.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um I like the actors in it a lot.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um because I've seen all of them do a lot of a lot of stuff outside of this.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it's got it kind of it holds you where it's like you you really don't know like how this is gonna go.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like you really think, you know, you're not really sure if it's really gonna work out for everybody.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: And suspense.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's very suspenseful, very suspenseful.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um I really like Kevin Bacon's performance in this.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: This interesting that's his performance is really one of my my favorites in this.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, because I feel like with with Kevin, he he kind of plays a lot of the same kind of characters for a l for a while.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean people get typecasts.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: This I feel was kind of a was kind of a turn away from his kind of normal, kind of good guy character.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so this one's this one's a little different for him.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: Got a little bit more depth to it, maybe or a little bit more for him to really a little bit, a little bit more meat on the bone, a little more for him to a little more for him to do.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, um, so I'm so I definitely wanna want to see what your opinion is for for his performance.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but then Pruitt Taylor Vince, which I'm pretty sure is how he says it.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you'll know him from identity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um he's the he's the guy who everybody's um all the characters wear in his head.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's not so he's that guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um he was also in the latest Superman film, um, which was not my favorite.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um but he's um he's a good character.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a character actor.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um he he does a lot, he does a lot of stuff, and it's he does this thing that he did an identity, and I've seen him do it in other films, with his eyes, where it's like they're like moving all around the place.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like um, like almost like a like a like a like a tick.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if that is him himself does that and like it's an uncontrollable thing, or if it's like he's intentionally doing it.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a a skill, you know, it's a party trick that he has.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_03: So um never know.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: But he's he's another one where it's like you you just don't know what his character is gonna do, and you don't know like it's it's he's just an he's just a mystery kind of character.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: So um now I didn't know I didn't ask before.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Have you have you seen the film?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or do you no, no?
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, not at all.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even think I know a thing about it.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, all right.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well that'll be interesting.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be it'll be a good one.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good way.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's always a good way for me to kind of come in cold and then I'll you know first reaction.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, and it's and you know I have a good poker face.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: You can't tell if I like it when I'm watching a movie.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not a comedy, so I'm not listening for you like breaking out in laughter.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, when do I break out in full laughter?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Not very rarely.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Rarely.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Very rarely.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so I I'm kind of interested.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: I usually kind of especially in these moves, this type of movie, which I'm imagining.
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  SPEAKER_03: I really concentrate.
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  SPEAKER_01: This one you definitely do.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's so it's just like, okay, I I want them to really take me in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, what are you gonna show me?
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  SPEAKER_03: What how am I gonna feel?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm really trying to concentrate.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then So I'm not watching you watch me watch the movie.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'll do that.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just lean back and then watch.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is creepy.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, I'm not doing that.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um Then you can mansplain it to me later on.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: See, he's got a good laugh.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a good laugh.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: I get him laughing once in a while.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, you do once a week.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: I tend to I tend to break out in laughter.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, of course, you remember when I was a kid, I would laugh so hard that it would stop breathing.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we'd have to tell you calm down, calm down, calm down.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: Don't stop laughing, stop laughing.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's that is true.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of forgot about that.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: That was kind of scary.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: I was like It's like you couldn't stop.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: You really couldn't stop that.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um But yeah, um, but yeah, so this one it's um so it is it is dramatic.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's there's yeah, it's definitely uh definitely on the heavier side a little bit.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm prepared.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, yeah, I was saying totally prepared.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, even though it's a movie I haven't seen before, the nice part of when we do this together is that you can kind of give me a little you know heads up on like you know Yeah, if you need to brace yourself for it, you know.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_03: Because, you know, I mean if I wasn't in the mood and I just threw this in.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, well, it's popping right back out again.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: I ain't watching that.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Because I wouldn't be in the mood for it, or I wasn't really ready for that, or I don't want to see that.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of nice when you kind of give me a little bit of heads up what's going on.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, what might be happening, or just kind of you know, the suspenseful thriller words, though, those are good, good words.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just kind of easy into a little bit.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no problem.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, we are gonna hop in and watch Trapped, and then we will come back a little bit to talk about it.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right, we will be back in a little while.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right, everybody, welcome back.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Now that we just got done not recording the last five minutes of conversation, you know.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was more than that, even.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh apparently I did not touch the record button.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um and we were having a lovely conversation.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, that's what we do.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: We have a conversation about it, whether we, you know, even when we watch movies that we don't record.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: We do, we do.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_03: So now we just got done watching this movie.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it would and it was your choice, so I'm gonna start.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_03: All right, there we go.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I I did think it was it was really pretty good.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: I really did.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um I'm gonna repeat myself.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say we might as well repeat it.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, but yeah, I I I really did enjoy it.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: It was interesting and and it wasn't like I said earlier, uh there was both it wasn't a cliche with as far as like uh kidnapping or keeping people and ransom and that sort of thing.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: Which which is like a formula that some movies do have.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_03: That that is the formula and we've seen it.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um but I do like this because to me this was this was uh it different.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: And it was different in a in an interesting way that it was like, oh, oh, that happened.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, now what's gonna happen I mean, so it kept you into the story because it was different.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it yeah, it broke away from the mold of the traditional type of kidnap for ransom kind of story and kind of just spun it a little bit and just made it kind of like okay, it's like we're just gonna mix it up a little bit, and you know, it it's like, well, why don't these people, you know, run away?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't they call the police?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't they fight back?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, oh, if there's something at stake for that other person, if they don't if they're not there anymore, something bad is gonna happen.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, yeah, it's per that's exactly why they wouldn't do it, you know.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and I we're we were talking before about how we liked the it's the three different dynamics that are happening at the same time.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: And and they did it very nice going back and forth, you know, just and and it really was the phone calls to each other.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: That really was a nice and you know, so that was a very very good choice on that.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_03: That was that worked very well.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: We did talk about how you know technology back then.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: They they used the best they could.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: The best they had in 2002.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but they used it pretty well.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: They really did.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: I I liked how they used it.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um and and that was that was kind of fun to see.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I could I could even totally see this.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like we were talking about like if this film had been um could be updated, you know, you could you could absolutely update it and keep it keep it almost exactly the same, we just updating the technology.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, and I say that going, it's like this is not an ancient film, you know, but it is old 24 years.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's pretty long.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean that's coming up there.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: But it I also thought, could this film been done further back?
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like and then I thought, absolutely.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, because then you would just use what you had.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: You use what you had, because then it's like, okay, it's like, so now there's the landline at the house, there's the landline at the hotel, there's a landline in the cabin, you know, and it's like so they have you know those forms of communication to be able to things things going on and the phone is ringing and they're supposed to answer it, and they just barely answer it in time, kind of thing.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_03: It is just it it and it really is.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so this isn't not this is not a technology kind of movie.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: So it it could age well.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, pretty well.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_03: It it aged pretty well.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: There there have been some films, I mean, they have come out right about the same time as this film where it's you know, they did not age nearly as well as this has.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's because it's more um story driven, it's more character driven than technology driven.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_03: They're not they're not relying.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: And the other part that I kind of like about this movie, because you mentioned the movie Ransom.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: I I the big hero.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have a big hero in this.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody is just doing what they're doing.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: There's nobody who's smarter than somebody else.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: They're not.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they're just trying to, you know, come to a good outcome.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's there's not like this big hero guy.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's usually a man.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and honestly, for this one, if I was to pick one as being the big hero, would be Charlie Saron, as like the actual hero of this hero of the.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, she was sh but but you know, all of them were like doing what they could to survive and try to make it through.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: You know, even even Dakota Fanning, who is very little.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, she was so little, she's so cute.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, and it's funny because she also did Man on Fire, uh-huh, which was another kidnapping film.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I was thinking, I'm like, was she just kind of typecast there for a little while as being the little girl who gets she's just too cute.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: She's just too cute.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: People just want to kidnapping.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of yeah, kind of odd.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: But she is a a very good actress, actually actually, even when she's little.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and she's very good.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: She you can tell that she she understands what she's doing and how she should do it.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, and she's got that she can do that raw emotion like when she's being pulled away from her mom or you know, she's in the woods scared, or you know, something where it's like, you know, it's for any actor, you know, they're they gotta be able to to be able to play those emotions.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: And for a child actor, I always find it amazing for child actors where it and child actors and actresses where it's like you're asking a awful lot of somebody who's really young.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: Are you are you?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: I guess the other piece I have is like, are you like damaging them or are they okay?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I think she's one that I feel like she came out okay.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: I I think she was just a very intelligent person, right?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: And probably had good parents or good guardians that were really looking out for her and taking care of her when she was little.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: So now that she's grown up into a woman, yeah, just making her own decisions, that she's she's okay.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because you've definitely we've definitely seen where it has not turned out that way.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know, and that's that's really sad.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: That is sad and it's really hard, or especially like even a young actor, it was just so traumatic, they just had to walk away from acting.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: Which is of course a choice.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: But and that's a that's a a good thing for yourself if you if it's really that difficult.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, it that's really sad if they were hoping to be in that for the rest of their life.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, they just can't.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I I enjoy like when you find out that like they stepped away from acting because they went to go get their degree in in college.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're they're pursuing other interests in their lives.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, if they come back to acting, they can, you know, or they could come back in a different capacity.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: They can, you know, they can be behind the camera.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everybody's got their their dreams, I'm sure.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, so it's it's always it's it's nice when you see that when it's you know, they can they evolve and they you know they can become, you know, a full, you know, full fledged person, you know, and they're like, you know, but I mean obviously they're still a person when they're an actor as well.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um but anyway, back to the movie.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, back to the film.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: We were uh we were also talking about how um I enjoy Kevin Bacon playing a real bad guy.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's bad through the scene.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's bad.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing, it's like there's no redeeming quality.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: No whatsoever.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: None of none.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: None.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: He he's one, he's the one throughout the whole film you don't root for, and you're not supposed to.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like and he he plays it really well and he all the way to the end.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: And he rides, he rides that that line really good where it's just like you don't it's like you don't even see a glimmer of anything redeeming, not uh not a smidge, and he did a really good job just totally shutting that down.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because we we've seen other films where he's not the 100% good guy, he's not the best guy, he's kind of sometimes he's an okay guy, or he's kind of a creepy guy or kind of sleazy guy or something, but not 100% the bad guy.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like this one, he was the bad guy, and and that's always fun.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so uh we were talking before also about other actors um when that happens, yes, and they get a and they flip and they um the ones that we're used to seeing being the good guys, and then all of a sudden they get a role of being a bad guy, and it's like it's gotta be so so it's gotta be fun for them.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's gotta be really interesting.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Yeah, I'm I'm used to being, you know, being the cop and being the good guy, and now and I gotta be the right and I gotta believe too, especially if they were typecasts for quite a long time, right?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: That they're kind of flattered, yeah, that someone gave them the script and said, We'd like you to be part of it, you know.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, really?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_03: You've seen my work.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but okay.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so that I mean to have somebody think, you know, they have faith in them that they can pull this off.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right, exactly.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I, you know, I think of you know, a show like Breaking Bad, where you take an actor where it's like, okay, what is he most what was he most known for directly before this role as being Malcolm in the Middle is for the father of Malcolm in the middle.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like wholesome, you know, good you know, good guy dad.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then all of a sudden you're watching him going, yeah, and you're like, no, but then you're seeing, yeah, he's very believable.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that I mean, and that's what good acting is.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and to be believable, right, and to be able to shift those gears and be able to be able to go and go into those roles and fully immerse themselves where you you believe it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I believe them when they are the good guy, and it's like, and if I can believe them when they're good, uh and then I can believe them when they're not good, and it's like that is a mark of a root.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: They have a range, right?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that's nice.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: And and I know most actors probably have a range, right?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: But maybe don't get a a good chance to show it off.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like uh Charlie's Theron um in this film where she was definitely a good, you know, she was the good character, um, but I've seen it like in Monster.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, where she was definitely not the good character, good character.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and she was and and people still talk about that.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it's like and yeah, okay.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: But you gotta think about this for men and women.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: You don't really get to see women go from good to totally bad.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, and it's and that's when it's actually uh it's a lot of fun where it's just like you get uh you get a woman that can be able to do that, and you one hundred like you're saying 100% believe it.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that's why people think talk about it a lot because it's like wow, I didn't know a woman could do that.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, yes, most women can.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: And just like any other actor.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that when you look at a when you look at a character and you go, okay, you know, could this be betrayed by a woman or could it be betrayed by a man?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's like, and if it doesn't matter, then hire the best person for the job, you know, you know, and it's you know, don't go with the cliche, right?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, mix it up, do something different, be original, you know, and it's like and that's that's what makes it fun.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's what that's when the movies are fun to watch, where it's just like because you know, it's like, oh, typical bad guy, typical good guy, blah blah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, oh come on, it's like we're over that.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like do something different, and then it's like it's like watching Christopher walk and be a good guy, yeah, yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: Because he maybe he's got the gonna kill you face, just absolutely peasy, no problem.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, he can do it.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: But to see him be a good guy, or to see him do something funny, you know?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, so then you're just like, oh my gosh, like, whoa, you are like Yeah, and and you love it.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: I get that.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, but anyway, so this movie is and for this one we were talking before about the cinematography on this one, where I I really enjoy the when it's chaotic and there's a lot of stuff happening and the drama's really high.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the movement that's handheld, it's quick, it's quick whips, it's going back and forth.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really know like what's gonna happen, who's gonna get hurt, and stuff.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden the cuts from that to like when they're doing he's when the father's at the conference and it's like, oh, this is his normal life.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, oh, everything's stationary, quiet, yeah, slow movements, nothing too.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: But the moment that it flips, and you realize, like, oh, now they're in trouble, he's in trouble now, then it's again quick, quick whips, quick cuts.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you know, I wonder if a movie ever does that in reverse.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Make the quiet moments the really tense.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, see, that's that's where an actor's a director's choice.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I I I've seen where it's like you have like a uh you have a conflict that's happening and it's like a distance away, the camera's way back, and then then one steady shot, like they're moving forward and then just slowly bringing you into it, you know, and stuff like that.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: And from and that's the unsettling part of it, where you're just like, uh, and then like you have people like cutting, you know, walking in and out of the shot, and you know, all you can all you can do is hear it, and you're trying to like almost interpret like what's what they're doing and what's happening where you can't see and stuff.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: So then it's like, oh, you have a a a POV into this room or into this situation.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, absolutely, yeah.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean that's that's I think that's the yeah, director's choice.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, and I don't know, I think the director made some good choices um with this.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well and yeah, and I and I I we're it's it's been so easy for this film to go it's like, okay, you know you're gonna get an R rating to go way hard and into the R and it's like And it really didn't
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: I was expecting more.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: I was really expecting more, like, well yeah, they deserve that art.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: But this one, it really it it really was more of a softer.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was Yeah, it was like just above a PG thirteen.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's like, you know, it's like is there's sexuality, but no sex.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's but there and you know, and there's you know, there's skin, but no nudity.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like it's close.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: It gets really close.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: But there's actually but there's actually no nudity.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it at that point it's like, you know, you already have your R, you're already established on the R.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been so easy to slip into that and then to be like, well, you know, if we're here, we're gonna do it, you know, we're just gonna go for it, you know.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: And but to go, that's not what we're doing here.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's not the message, that's not the story, that's not what it's about.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're you know, we're about the tense situation, we're not about you know, show them boobs, you know.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: There was none of that.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, yeah.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: So no, it's it's good.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, the it's it's one where it's like it's a it's of course there's violence in the film.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because it is a violent situation.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's a kidnapping, you know, there's people struggling, there's fights, you know, and conflict going on.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: But it even that it's the it there's only like one cut that's like really bad in in the film.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: And even that you don't really see a ton of like an open wound or something.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Other than that, and then it's like so even the the hits and stuff that are happening, it's like yeah, you feel it.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that was big.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that would have been, you know, that would have hurt.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not it's not gratuitous violence, right?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's not crazy over the top.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: It isn't, no, no, and it was it was and it was to tell the story, it was to put right put the story forward.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: It was good, but it was and it, but it was a grown-up movie.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: 100%, 100%.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: But that's kind of fun to watch too.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: So the guy who played Marvin.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so he was the guy that we were talking about for um in Identity, and you see he did the eyes thing again.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I still don't know.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if that is a character choice that he's doing.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is, or if it's something he does.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: I think he's just able to do it.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like a chick or anything.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think it.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's it's just something that he's capable of of performing.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we actually did see him just uh a couple weeks ago.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Lucky number 11.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Ah.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: He was one of the FBI guys that was in the van.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, but yeah.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's he's he's got that, like he's got crazy.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: He's got he's got the crazy face.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: But there's something gentle about him.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like he could kill you.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: But but but in his face, it's still not gonna show.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Which is which is why I think like hit like him being able to have that kind of range is great for doing like this kind of role, or like uh if he was a serial killer or something.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Something where it's like you're gonna be.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: You just can't you can't get beyond that.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like can't read you completely.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you don't 100% know.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's kind of nice, too.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I like that.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good quality.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's one where it's like, yeah, you've got that's a skill.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's a hundred percent that's a hundred percent a skill where it's just like you you legit don't know what their character is is thinking they were capable of.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I've like I said, I've I've had this one for quite some time.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, didn't even put it on my list.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: This wasn't even like on the and then all of a sudden I I thought about it and I was just like, I was like, yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, I think I'll be fine.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's do that.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: But it's kind of funny because it's a film that I've had for a long time, so but I also haven't re-watched it in a long time.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, I have I realized as we're doing this, that okay, I remember f I remember the films, but of course I only remember like the stuff that I, you know, that I I don't remember every single detail, I don't remember every single beat.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then I realized like sometimes like, oh, I forgot that that was in there.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I forgot that, you know, that that rough part's in there.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's like, oh yeah, I forgot we gotta, we gotta fight through that for a second.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, then we're gonna get to something else, you know.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, and uh we did that with Lucky Number 7, where it was just like, I'm like, yeah, that's great.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of killing like leading up to that stuff.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, but uh, but it's uh so it's uh in in the end, then it's like okay.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then I I I think of it as an overall body of work, yeah.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: The overall film and stuff, you know, and it's like body count.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: The body count, yeah.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: John Wick style.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: But no, no, no, but but I get you, yeah, I understand you.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's it's always kind of fun because I'll I'll I'll think of one and I'll think I'm like, maybe I should do a rewatch myself before we actually pick up.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: No, I've done that many times with you too.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, for different reasons, right?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: But it's just like I kind of like it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, let me look at it again.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because I've got I've got one that I've got in mind that is just one?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: One in particular that I'm thinking of right now that is that is really well acted and really well done, but it pushes like the line of almost a horror.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and it's like wondering.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm like, so you can always go for it.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've I have missed before.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: And that's okay too, because that makes good conversation between us to talk about.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we get to talk about stuff.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 28:04
  unknown: Yep.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, should we go ahead and wrap this one up?
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: I think we should.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you everybody for listening.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, make sure you guys go check out Trapped.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And until next time, I'm Barry.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Robin.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: And we will talk to you guys later.