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Ty & Bob Pod S5 E4: It’s Packers-Bears Week · Go Long Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: What's up everyone,
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  SPEAKER_01: welcome to another edition of the Ty and Bob Pod,
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  SPEAKER_01: your weekly Dose of everything NFC North.
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  SPEAKER_01: Packers, Lions, Vikings, Bears.
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  SPEAKER_01: Never a dull moment in this division.
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  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, we always have stories at golongtd.com on said teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know Bob, Pro Football Hall of Famer, been covering the NFL since 1979.
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  SPEAKER_01: What a pleasure to bring you here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know we have a lot of new subscribers this week who joined
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  SPEAKER_01: to check out our two-part series on Matt LaFleur.
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  SPEAKER_01: So welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Several months, honestly, I mean years talking to sources inside 1265 went into that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So really appreciate you joining our community.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bears repeating that we do not take Any advertising money,
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  SPEAKER_01: any sponsor money, any gambling blood money, none of that BS.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are powered by the people.
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  SPEAKER_01: We write for you, not the Twitter ex-mobs ever.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't care about the mobs.
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  SPEAKER_01: We just care about the people, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_01: So how in the hell are you doing out there in Saline, Michigan?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's happening?
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  SPEAKER_00: Excellent, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful weather, no rain.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pat and I are going to kind of retrace my dad's upbringing in the North Dakota
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  SPEAKER_00: and Northwest Minnesota area this week and into next week.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to miss the podcast on the next week, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_00: At your blessings, I got your blessings, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know if you have that blessing.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll have to...
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to take it to Park Avenue.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to talk to some suits out there and levy some punishment.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Could be corporal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me mention this, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad, Dennis McGinn, he was 50 when he had me.
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  SPEAKER_00: My mom was 45.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, he played at St. Thomas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Used to be St. Thomas College in St. Paul.
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  SPEAKER_00: Later, now it's St. Thomas University.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're FCS now, but they were a smaller school at that point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, he played three sports.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as an end, tight end, he played next to a pro football Hall of Famer.
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  SPEAKER_00: A pro football Hall of Famer from St. Thomas, the Tommies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who would that be?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, his name is one of the first Giants,
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  SPEAKER_00: Walt Kiesling, K-I-E-S-L-I-N-G, later became head coach of the Steelers.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm an assistant with Green Bay for many years, a big guy, 6'3", 250.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was a giant.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my dad died at a real young age,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I do remember him telling me that he was an enforcer for him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he would say,
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  SPEAKER_00: Dennis, if those guys get after you, just let me know and I'll take care of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That I do remember at about age nine.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to go to the Tommies and going to see some of their archives.
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  SPEAKER_00: I talked to one of their librarians.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's going to be really fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: You were detailing your trip on tap here, and I just was eating it all up.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's incredible where you're going.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know you left a few details out, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll be seeing one of our loyal subscribers.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he wants us to say it by name, but love you, Dr. Jeff.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually just talked to him up in the press box at the Bills game.
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  SPEAKER_01: He gave me a call to discuss the Matt LaFleur series.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the absolute best.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mentioned that guy, so I hope you have a good time with Dr. Jeff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I will.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that'll be great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know what we'll do too?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll try to get some fellow NFC North writers on the pod.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rocket Raj had that suggestion for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was an excellent one.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll...
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  SPEAKER_01: Keep this discussion going on everything on FC North because I know a lot
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  SPEAKER_01: of people look forward to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It might not be as painstaking in the detail.
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  SPEAKER_01: We may not see how that third string tight end was sealing the edge
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  SPEAKER_01: to spring Chris Brooks for 25.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that will happen, Bob, but we will try to make do best we can.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hope you and Pat have a hell of a time out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll be out there to see you in Michigan at the end of the month.
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  SPEAKER_01: So maybe we can hit record in the flesh for something.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can figure that out.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's Packers Bears week.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have one team and one coach leaning into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ben Johnson, he brought it right up after they beat the Jets in the locker room.
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  SPEAKER_01: Referenced, you all know what week it is now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Matt LaFleur at his press conference.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's not going to lean into that rivalry that has been kind of manufactured out
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  SPEAKER_01: of thin air in terms of the Ben Johnson,
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  SPEAKER_01: Matt LaFleur dynamic, calling him out by name at the introductory press conference.
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  SPEAKER_01: We all saw the tense handshake after the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: And of course, F the Packers F them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe readers even remember when I sat down with Javon Bullard
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  SPEAKER_01: and how he said he hates everything about Chicago and he wants Matt LaFleur
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  SPEAKER_01: to stand up to Ben Johnson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't let him punk you like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what's great about football.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that in today's day and age, again, I'm a middle-aged man at this point.
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  SPEAKER_01: With three children,
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  SPEAKER_01: everything that comes out of my mouth, I feel like a crusty mini McGinn here now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't like the exchanging of jerseys and the pleasantries and everybody just being pals.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, we need some real hatred.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's okay to use that word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some real hatred in what is the most violent team sport in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: I credit Ben Johnson and the Bears for embracing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Psychologically, they have something working.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not exactly a point A to point B line,
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  SPEAKER_01: but the way that those two games,
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  SPEAKER_01: the last two against Green Bay ended,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're at 16-6, 99% chance of winning that game if you're Green Bay.
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  SPEAKER_01: They blow it, on-site kick to the wild card, also the wild card at the site.
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  SPEAKER_01: I extracted that part from part two as a separate post if you guys want to check that out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sources inside 1265 relive all of the key moments that went into the meltdown 21-3.
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  SPEAKER_01: Easily could have been 28-3 before halftime.
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  SPEAKER_01: On the personnel side,
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  SPEAKER_01: the coaching side,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's so much that I didn't even realize talking to these sources,
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  SPEAKER_01: Bob, that went down that night.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can check that story out.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's for subscribers.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Bears win that one.
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  SPEAKER_01: So are they in Green Bay's head?
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, this has got to be the biggest game of Matt LaFleur's tenure in the regular season.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Eight years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything that they've been through back to that Denver moment that we've discussed ad nauseum.
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  SPEAKER_01: The collapses.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just the manner in which they've lost these games.
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  SPEAKER_01: Something goes wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they submerge into quicksand.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can't seem to get it back.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're seeing it this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Fourth and one against Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then everything, the roof caves in at U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pink Stadium.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even the Atlanta game,
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  SPEAKER_01: I know it was a blowout, but you can point to specific moments in that game.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Brennan Cox roughing the passer.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can feel how deflated everybody is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I tried to figure out with our series is what goes into
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  SPEAKER_01: the psychology of that all from Matt LaFleur on down.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you agree, disagree the magnitude of this game for the head coach?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I see it as an organizational thing too, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I remember the Bears had a dynasty in this division from 84 to 91 under Mike Ditka.
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  SPEAKER_00: They won the division six times in seven years, the NFC Central.
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  SPEAKER_00: Their win total starting in 84, 10, 15, 14, 11, 12, six was a downturn, then 11 and 11.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, and now I remember Ron Wolfe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Specifically,
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  SPEAKER_00: when those games against Chicago were in 93, 92, he was just trying to get it going.
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  SPEAKER_00: In 93 and 94, Ditka was still there, I believe.
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  SPEAKER_00: He left maybe after 93.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was,
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  SPEAKER_00: Ron talked about balance of power,
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  SPEAKER_00: changing of the guard, how hard it's going to be to move the Bears off the top rung.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Packers have not, I mean, they've been outstanding for almost 35 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And LaFleur won three in a row here not that many years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: five, six, seven years ago, three divisions in a row.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Chicago won one last year with a really good young quarterback.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Green Bay now is at 500, not playing well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bears have won two games with backups.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are they ready to take over?
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  SPEAKER_00: They're going to have a backup Sunday at Lambeau Field.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is not Soldier Field.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's at Lambeau.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do we have a balance of power shift?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this when the Bears are going to take over?
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  SPEAKER_00: Minnesota leads at 4-0, and they have an outstanding coach themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we know on offense,
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  SPEAKER_00: they don't have the QB set up, and they're just not very good on offense right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Detroit, they had a run.
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  SPEAKER_00: They won the division twice, 23 and 24.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now they're trolling at the 500 mark as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a huge game for the floor, for Ben Johnson.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ben doesn't have to win this.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's got a backup QB.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a game ahead of the Packers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's on the road, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when I just finished that Chicago tape about an hour ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: wow, they did some good things in that game, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_00: They got an O-line and they're going to run the freaking ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And their defense has come on surprisingly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll see.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm taping that game.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to watch when I return next Friday.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I will have at least watched that from this weekend's card.
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  SPEAKER_01: How are you going to like continue?
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  SPEAKER_01: Quarantine yourself on this information blackout.
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  SPEAKER_01: The result of this game is
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  SPEAKER_01: going to boomerang back somehow, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you that insulated?
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  SPEAKER_00: On Sunday,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll be driving from my dad's hometown,
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  SPEAKER_00: Thief River Falls,
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  SPEAKER_00: Minnesota, to Minneapolis to see Dr. Jeff and a family and other friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'll be on the radio on Sirius.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully it's on that network or hearing Larry McCarron and Wayne on the Packer broadcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I will be on it, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that the Bears are a three-point favorite, last I saw.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, with,
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  SPEAKER_01: like you noted,
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  SPEAKER_01: they win with Case Keenum, they win with Tyson Bajan as we were recording this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I imagine they're leaving it up for interpretation of who
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  SPEAKER_01: the starting quarterback will be Sunday, but there's an unknown there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Caleb Williams was hand string, that recovery.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's at Lambeau Field.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does that surprise you that they're favorites?
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: The way that they've been playing,
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  SPEAKER_01: it doesn't surprise me, especially with the way Green Bay has been playing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Still, it's an NFC North game.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's in Wisconsin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Boy, if they're three-point favorites on the road,
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  SPEAKER_01: that tells you really how a lot of folks across the country view these Chicago Bears
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  SPEAKER_01: at this point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Point of time.
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  SPEAKER_00: QB.
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  SPEAKER_00: I see this game as pick them.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was thinking before we brought up the odds.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, at Lambeau, man,
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  SPEAKER_00: after the embarrassment of the Atlanta game,
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  SPEAKER_00: those fans are going to be just revved and jacked.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be outstanding.
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  SPEAKER_00: Weather should be good.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: One person close to Matt LaFleur did tell me the bad blood is mutual.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it might not have been there to start.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Matt LaFleur might not say a hell of a lot in these press conferences.
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  SPEAKER_01: He will want to beat Ben Johnson.
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  SPEAKER_01: He will want a sense of vindication.
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  SPEAKER_01: He knows it's year eight, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'd imagine he knows how people on his staff feel about him.
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  SPEAKER_01: As we revealed in our series, it's different at 1265.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is a hard driver.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's that Shanahan tree, as one assistant told us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't be surprised if he got fired and rehired
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  SPEAKER_01: an hour later like Shanahan has done in the past with guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's a different world there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So be sure to check that out if you want to subscribe and read.
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  SPEAKER_01: And look,
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  SPEAKER_01: I just tried to lay it all out, Bob,
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  SPEAKER_01: and people can draw their own conclusions because there is a lot of good there again
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  SPEAKER_01: and again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sources throughout the building laud his mind and how he sees space,
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  SPEAKER_01: how he can draw plays, how he developed Jordan Love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Intellectually, he wants you at his level.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you cannot get to that level, he will hammer you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you never get there, you'll probably be fired or you'll want to leave on your own accord.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of good.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a reason that they're blowing these games, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's And it's a collection of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we've talked about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You pointed out the flaws in the roster.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's absolutely a conversation, especially on the offensive line.
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  SPEAKER_01: But these coaches, I'm telling you, Bob, I saw it here at the Buffalo Bills.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sean McDermott, another team banging on that door that couldn't get through.
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  SPEAKER_01: And 13 seconds hung over.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Buffalo Bills like a dark, dark cloud.
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  SPEAKER_01: It came up in conversation with high-ranking sources
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  SPEAKER_01: when they finally did rid themselves of Sean McDermott and hire Joe Brady.
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  SPEAKER_01: That loss to Chicago in the wild card is a dark cloud over the Green Bay Packers right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's on Matt LaFleur to remove that cloud.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if a win just erases it.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the regular season.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not the playoffs.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're judged in January.
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  SPEAKER_01: It would certainly help.
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  SPEAKER_00: It would certainly help the Packers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I will also be talking to Jim Monas on Real Football this week more about Matt LaFleur.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Green Bay Packers, the State of Affairs, if you want to check that out also.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's get to the games.
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  SPEAKER_01: Green Bay edges out an undrafted free agent of a quarterback in Jalen Daniels in Tampa Bay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Survive.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Bears clobber the Jets.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know the final score was what it was,
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  SPEAKER_01: but if you watch that game, You put it beautifully.
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  SPEAKER_01: They just pulverized them on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_01: It starts there for Ben Johnson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where do you want to start?
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's start with the Packers, Tyler, okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Down in the heat in Tampa Bay, and never underestimate that heat.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was 86 degrees.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure later on in the game it was probably 90.
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  SPEAKER_00: 78% humidity?
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  SPEAKER_00: I hate that kind of weather.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they're in the dark jerseys, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: The home team can pick the color jersey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tampa stopped wearing any kind of orange or pewter a few years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: and now they're in white this time of year.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's terrible.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's IVs after the game in Green Bay.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll just cut you off real quick, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a great place to start, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Bills, every time they go to Miami, if it's early in the year, I think it was 2021 or 2022 –
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  SPEAKER_01: Man, their players were dropping like flies one by one,
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  SPEAKER_01: getting IVs and dehydrated and heading to the locker room constantly, constantly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's a real thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're not used to the heat,
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  SPEAKER_01: similar to playing in Buffalo or Green Bay,
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: wherever, if you're not used to the cold, it's going to be a factor.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dominic Gentile,
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: the Packer trainer before Pepper Burris in the 80s,
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: early 90s,
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: He used to give me the count of the IVs they administered in the locker room,
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: both at halftime and after the game.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'd bump him after the game in that cramp locker room,
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: and he'd tell me, yeah, we had nine or we had six, you know.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then Tampa Bay would come up and face the snow then in December.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't really sure what was worse,
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: what was more of a home field advantage, that humidity or the cold.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the offense.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, the story was the offensive line.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to that in a second.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Tucker Craft, 55 snaps.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, on a screen,
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: he broke two tackles,
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: gained an extra 15, was a great play, fourth and one, quick flat for 10.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: They went to him,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: fourth and one,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: motions in for the quarterback sneak, got it, stopped initially, second effort.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Then he drops the touchdown in the corner, which was awful.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: He got his feet down on a two-yard touchdown.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: He had a false start.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a knockdown.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's got to play better.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: One thing I will really
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: like about him,
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: man, I remember a couple of coaches have told me this over the years.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: When your quarterback throws an interception, you get on your horse and you go make that tackle.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: There cannot be any drop-off in intensity.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Kraft made that tackle on the Parrish interception.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you got five fat linemen running around down at the other end of the field.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: So if he breaks through the skill guys, you're in deep trouble.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Unless you got Favre who would go make a tackle.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: 12, I don't know.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Love will make a tackle.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen that.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Watson, he played okay.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Jonu Smith, they're going to have to start using this guy.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: He caught that 19-yard ball inside the zone.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a threat, Tyler.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: How big is Janu?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he only played 13 snaps, so they don't obviously trust him as a blocker.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's only 6'2 1⁄2".
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: He came out at 247, ran 4-6-3, wondered like 12 and then 16.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: But the guy, I think, still got a little bit left in him.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Redmond, the blocking tight end.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: First play in the third quarter, he ran that seam for 25, so they...
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Picked that play out, LaFleur did, out of the playbook at halftime.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was ignored.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Nice play at 25.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: He had a really good lead on a running play for 31, the big one.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Melton dropped, he went deep for 30.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: What's Bo Melton doing in the game?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: I screwed that up.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't get that reference, did you, Bob?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: My mind is on Melton trying to read my hieroglyphics.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped a deep, deep ball 30 yards down the field.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're hieroglyphic.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Wingdings?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Taking notes and wingdings on Microsoft
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Word there, Bob?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to Matthew Golden.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's way up among the league leaders.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: He played 53 snaps.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Watson only played 41.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Slant, third and goal at the three.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: He drew the P.I.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: on Parrish.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Fourth and goal of the two.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: He beat Scott on the out out of a bunch set.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Touchdown.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped an out.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped an in.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Parrish had the punch out on him.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: You got to respect his speed.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: He ran the out against that zone stuff.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Gain of 13.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: And Sky Moore played 23.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the old line.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they keep Zeitler in mothballs.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's only been here.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: For a week,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: he put the pads on probably two,
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: three times,
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: but he hasn't had a training camp and he hasn't played since early last January.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll see what happens with him.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right,
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: they start two new guards,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Tom Munson at left guard and the young guy Glover at right guard.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look at Tom Munson.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: All in all, a really good debut for what they had.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've been playing with Monk and Jennings and
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: I got a lot of gear here
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: and Aaron Banks who was injured.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Tom.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: We need like a mashup of just the sound of your papers shuffling.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think we could use it for Rocco as his white noise at night to put him to sleep.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be perfect.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just get Bob's papers moving.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right, first play of the game, he's up against Kalijah Kansi, the quick three technique.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: And he finished on the guy, and the young guy Kansi yells at him.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure he's saying, old-timer, don't try to screw with me today, man.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: But he just kept playing aggressively.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was smart.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of slow.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of thick.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: But he played good.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: He had one holding penalty and a run against a linebacker at the second level.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's very strong.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: He later tossed Cansey on the ground after a run for five.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was awesome.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: He had an illegal hands penalty.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: I liked what he saw.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's 6'3.5", 319 coming out, ran 526, 23 on the test.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: His arm is fine, 33 and 5'8".
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: His hand is good, 10 and an 8".
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's go to the other side, to the right guard,
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Travis Glover.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Sixth, sixth round pick in 24.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: He's never really played the first two years.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's look at his scouting report.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's from Georgia State, 6'6", 317, 5-3-1.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Test score was good, 24.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Arms, 34 and 3-4.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: This is a really massive guy, and that's the way Gutekunst and LaFleur like him.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're not even...
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Talking about running screens anymore, not really jet sweeps.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: They do not have athletic linemen.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: They're not doing that.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: They're just going to try to maul and get that right now anyway with Glover and Tomlinson.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see when Zeitler comes in.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: I assume he starts at right guard maybe this week.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Glover came from Georgia State, you know, low level of comp, just 20 reps on the bench.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: He made 57 starts in college,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: 35 at left tackle,
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: 18 at right tackle, only four at left guard, none at right guard ever.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Here's what a scout said.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Knows who to block, but not how to block.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Consistent, you know what you're going to get.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Not an overly tenacious or nasty player.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Stiff in his pass sets and late to redirect and adjust.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's tall and plays tall.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Gets by on pure size more than anything.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Slower feet and tight lower body.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Football intelligence is fine.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's his technique that's the issue.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's a mature, grounded, upbeat, well-liked.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: It matters to him.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's done well to stay in shape and keep his body fat down.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: All right, how do you play?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: I liked it, Tyler.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Love had maybe the best protection he's had in these four games.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's a lot bigger man than Jacob Monk, who was injured.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he would have started anyway.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's bigger than Jager.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's bigger than Jennings.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's a massive guy.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: All right, he had a bad run early.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: He missed the linebacker trotter.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bad run against the veteran Nunez Roach's inside on a pull.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote down he was kind of an oozer on that block.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know what that scout said?
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's big, but he's not going to really strike a blow.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: He came around the corner and he just kind of fell off the Nunes roaches.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of times he's up against Vito Vea,
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: which is the litmus test really for interior players against power.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he bowed up against Vea.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: He had a half a bad run against Vea.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: He had a holding penalty on a run.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: I liked him.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: In terms of pass rush, I got zero pressures in a first start.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: He played really good.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Ryan, the center, again, against Vea, played really good.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I got one hurry for Ryan, Sean.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Morgan had a good game.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: One bad run.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: He looked a little out of whack on a screen, but he was fine.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: And then the right tackle was Belton.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: He was excellent.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: One false start.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: I can't – yeah, you could nitpick a little bit, but there was nothing blatant in Anthony Belton.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: So Morgan, Tomlinson, Ryan, Glover, and Belton.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a menagerie, but it was a good menagerie in this game.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: They did the job.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now, yeah, what more can you say?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: The quarterback, yeah, we covered the tight ends.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: The quarterback, he had a lot of time.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he could have done more with it.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: He played fine.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: He overthrew Sturdivant deep.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: He aired that ball out 62 yards in the air with a guy right in his face.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: He had a great throw on third and three.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: The safety Smith is right on him, unblocked, and he drilled it to Watson for 18.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote down kind of all day shooting gallery stuff.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: The interception, it was shocking what Parrish did on that play.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if he just...
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody would expect Parrish to be coming in there, I don't think.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so he missed Jonu Smith for a 26-yard touchdown down the outside.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Unbelievable gamble by Parrish and it paid off with a pick.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the running backs.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: 33 for Lloyd, a season high.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: 17 for Johnson.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: 10 for Brooks.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: Brooks went out with a limped off.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think he sat out the whole second half, so he would have played more had he not been injured.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Lloyd.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bad run early on at the three-yard line.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: He ran into Morgan's behind, lost three.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: He got low.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: He ran over the corner, McCollum gained three.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Third and one, Diaby beat Kraft inside in his face.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: He bounced off, broke Parrish, gained five.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was a nice run.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: He missed a pickup on Tyreek Smith on a blitz, knocked down.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: He fumbled on a swing pass.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Luckily for him, the ball went OB.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: On a swing pass, he hurtled McCollum.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, that takes guts.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: It takes athleticism.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: He gained an extra six.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: He played pretty good, Tyler.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: You got to hand it to him.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Then Johnson broke two tacklers at the linebacker level and ripped it for 31.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Long run they've had this year.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: But then he fumbled on first and goal at the three, and that was the end of him.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't see him again.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: And Brooks had a nice run, nice cut to daylight for 27, and then he got hurt.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So that's it for the Packer offense.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right, a few thoughts.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: The first, the hurdle by Marshawn Lloyd.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know where my mind immediately raced to watching that?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: 2011, Charlotte,
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: North Carolina,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: covering that Packers-Panthers game,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: my first season on the beat, Cam Newton's rookie year.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was actually a crazy game.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: McCam Newton threw for a ton of yards, if I remember right.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Steve Smith was still kicking around.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Green Bay made the plays late.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think Jordy Nelson made a big play late to win.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: They went 15-1 that season.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: But that was the day that Nick Collins' career ended, and it was so similar.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Jonathan Stewart hurdled him, and kind of his leg brushed the top of Nick Collins' head.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: It looked kind of innocuous.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was it.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: And watching that Marshawn Lloyd hurdle, I forget the defender who it was for Tampa Bay.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Similar, kind of reverberated, vibrated his head.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: McCollum, yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, McCollum.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: He was down for a little bit, right?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Just a scary game.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: These collisions and just the different angles, even something innocent.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Can end your career.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I've talked to Nick Collins about that moment at length since then.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I think he came to my apartment in Green Bay, River's Edge once for a story at the JS.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Seems like he's doing good.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's still involved with the game.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: All right, one other thought.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Matthew Golden, you mentioned him.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Man, he's looking like a first-round pick, which is much needed.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Jane Reed, done for the season.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: They've got to get those big plays, that explosiveness.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's got it in them,
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: and There's a lot that those sources pointed out in that Bears wildcard game
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: that surprised me or that I missed.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Big picture stuff, more minuscule stuff.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Did you catch that at the end of the first half when it's 21-3
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: and Jordan Love throws deep to Christian Watson on the TV copy?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: It looks like if he doesn't overthrow Watson, he's got a chance.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's six, four Tyreek Stevenson's six.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Even I get going to Watson there, right?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's your go-to guy.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's made all sorts of big plays, but it really wasn't just choose your side.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: You zoom out on the all 22 footage.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: And as a coach pointed out to me, Matthew Golden just cooked his guy, wasted him.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: He is wide open.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's a touchdown, but love had it preconceived in his head.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: He looks toward golden side to,
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: To get to Watson and Jane Reed was open over the middle to so many moments from
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: that game.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the number one thing you hit on there is the offensive line.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: So how does this thing configure moving forward?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: If Bob McGinn is the coach, right?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: If it was up to you, what would you do in this Bears game left to right?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know about the availability of Banks, but let's assume he's not ready to go.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't play that well last year anyway, Tyler.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we got Morgan at left, Tomlinson at left guard, Sean Ryan at center, right guard.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: So Zyler will have had about five practices in pads under his belt.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: The Bears have a real cagey veteran in Grady Jarrett in there.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Green Bay's not going to run the ball to win.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: That ain't going to happen.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Bears, they're not a great run defense.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to have to throw.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'd play Zeitler.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think he can pass block better than Glover even after a week and a half and
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: then belting it right.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm amazed, Tyler, that they didn't play Glover.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: They've been with this guy for two and a half years,
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: and they played Monk, Burton, and Jennings all over Glover.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: Glover's better than all those guys.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're seeing him every day in practice.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's a mystery.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: But you're right.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're signing Kevin Zeitler to play Kevin Zeitler, right?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine if he's ready, he's ramped up.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: As the coaches like to say, you're thrusting him in the lineup.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: He could get hurt right away.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, pull a hammy, something goes on his shoulder.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe another week the injury chances decrease.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's all true.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: You've got to have this game.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: I really liked Glover in this game, though.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Would the moment be too big for him?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's a lot bigger than going down to Tampa.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's from Vienna, Georgia, so Glover was used to it growing up in the heat.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how Zeitler played in Tennessee last year.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know he was pretty darn good with the Lions in 24.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the D, right?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, no Baker Mayfield.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Does he win that game for Tampa?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think he wins the game.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Daniels wasn't horrible at all, but he's a rookie.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was an enormous break,
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: the Mayfield injury, and it's like – It's like a gimme a grabber in golf, man.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: You just take it and you get the hell out of there.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: You take the putt, and they did, and they got it 17-14.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the D. Van S had another good game, Tyler.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: He had one, two, I got three hurries.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: if you don't block him on that backside,
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: he will flatten in really quick and really hard, and he will mess up your run game.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what Ben Johnson's going to do,
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: but if you don't block him over there,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: he's going to slam down inside and get Mononga.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: But one thing about Mononga,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: you can hit him from the side, and that happened in this game this weekend.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: You can hit him from the side on those unblocked edge guys coming in,
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: but he will keep going for two, three more yards.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: He does.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: He falls forward.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: He'll take those side shots and keep going, man.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Van Ess did good things against the run.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: He stuffed Bredesen.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, the guard Bredesen.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's the fullback's older brother for no gain.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: He played good.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Let's stick on the outside.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Sorrell, he had a hurry on a stunt, led to an interception early.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Then he's got recognition problems.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: He got fooled on the zone read Daniels keep for nine,
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: and then he got killed on the two-yard touchdown right after that.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: He got fooled on a pitch to a wide receiver around him, gain of 10.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know,
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: without Micah Parson, they are thin at the other edge.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Cox, just kind of a guy out there, 24 snaps, Sorrell 33, Van S 46.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Dennis Sutton has not really come through yet in the first month, 24 snaps.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: He is a threat as a rusher.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: He has a spin move.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: He has some quickness, but he's just not there yet.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right, inside, you've got Brooks, 35, Hargrave, 29, Wyatt, 25, McClellan, 24.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: They've got a four-man.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and Ford only played 13.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Ford, who also is with the Bears, was that last year or two years ago?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Are they going to have to have him to stop Mononga and Swift?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Is he going to have to play?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: He played fifth most snaps here.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hargrave,
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: fourth and one at the Tampa
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: 18, and he's on the field.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: He ended up on that play on his back when the runner gained seven.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's just light.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's small.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's old.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he might be their best interior pass rusher,
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: but at fourth and one at the 18, he blew contain one time on a stunt.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: He had the outside on third and seven.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Daniel got outside him and threw a 10-yard touchdown pass.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's just been okay so far.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wyatt, he had one knockdown.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's really, I don't know if he's coming back from that ACL.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Where is he with that?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: We haven't seen much so far.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: McClellan, the rookie, you know, he's a huge man.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: He usually stays square.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: He does not shed blocks.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's not really getting to the ball.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: That may come.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's been okay at the point.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then Ford only played 13.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: They might be down on him.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the linebackers.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start with Franklin.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Zaire played 63 snaps.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: One time he runs in, he splits two blockers, makes the tackle, gain a four.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was just a really nice play.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: This is a smart veteran.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can tell he's committed.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you like where his heart is, where his head is.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Then he runs in recklessly on a blitz.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: He knocks over Hargrave and that's when Daniel sprints right by both of them for a gain of 21.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Third and seven, he's in lone, lone coverage.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Ball goes out to Gainwell.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't lack speed to get to the sideline.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: That was a 10-yard touchdown.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: Third and three.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't read my writing.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's a very smart, you know, Daniels is scrambling.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's over by the sideline.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Five out of 10 guys will get the penalty for unnecessary roughing because they want
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: to drill that QB in the next week.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: He pulls up, man.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's been through the wars.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Franklin's a smart guy.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Cooper, he played 34 snaps.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of a microcosm of his season.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: He got fooled on misdirection on a flat to the tight end, Otten, gain of 13.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: I said he was invisible for stretches, and that's hard to do playing linebacker in this system.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Then he makes that great interception on a zone drop,
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: returns at 19 yards, sets up the field goal.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: It means a terrific reaction.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then he injures his Achilles, and apparently he's out for the year.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Non-contact injury.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: They come in with Isaiah McDuffie, 25 snaps.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, one play early in his stint, he gets hit in the face on a block.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: He refuses to quit.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: He touches his face where he got hit, keeps going and makes the tackle on the play.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's got so much heart.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: On a screen, he got hurt on the screen.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: He comes back.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to run stuff at the point of attack.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's really firm at the point.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Unlike Cooper.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then he whiffs on a sack against Gainwell.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: He was unblocked.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: He blew that.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then Hopper, the young guy, played five.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: So the loss of Cooper.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: Personally, I don't think it's any kind of a crushing blow.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: I just am not that high on this guy.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I take him over Franklin, I think.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: In terms of overall value to the team.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: But Franklin's is the brains of that outfit.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's not Cooper.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's got speed.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: He can chase down quarterbacks who scramble, and that's important in this day and age.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: He can run people down,
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: and he has shown,
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: despite his test score,
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: he's shown instincts for playing the position much better than Quay Walker.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: But yet I see him flitting around, not attacking.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: When they're in that five-man front and he's on the line,
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see him good at the point of attack or setting an edge.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the secondary.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Nixon was good.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Daniels couldn't challenge any of these guys, really.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Nixon was good.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's tough.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: CeCe, the rookie, he missed a tackle on that touchdown by Tucker.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Teams are trying.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: They want to see if he'll tackle, and they're screening at him.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think he will tackle, but he's a shoestring, kind of an ankle biter.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: He blew a sack on a cat blitz.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: Then he got injured, suffered a concussion.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's in protocol, four minutes left.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Bullard, the nickelback, had one missed tackle, had a run stuff.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Played all but three snaps in this game, a lot more than normal.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Valentine came in for CC, played nine, uneventful.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Evan Williams,
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: he made a hell of an interception over there when he got his feet down,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: set up a touchdown.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Third and one, he got a breakup to Otten on a 10-yard in.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was a hell of a play.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: He missed Gainwell on that screen, gained an extra eight.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: He got juked.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's not the most
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's not the most agile athletic guy in the open field.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he makes up for it with toughness and guts.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, you've seen more classic safeties, smooth safeties.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: He was late to the flat on out and gain a 13.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: He got the unblocked sack at the end when they turned him loose
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: and they just Threw everything but the kitchen sink at the rookie QB
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: as you knew they would.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: You do that against Mayfield at that point, he's going to win the game.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Unblock sack.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then unblock knockdown on fourth and 11.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: McKinney, he was late to the sideline in that cover two hole shot, gain of 21.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was by Hurst.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: He pulled up,
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: and the running back, Tucker,
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: the backup, Sean Tucker, the goal line guy, got an extra four on fourth and one.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you pull up in that situation?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Check that play out.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: He got a sack.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: He beat Gainwell.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was a hell of a sack.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he just – his play is so nonviolent.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to this.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Swank drills one from 58.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: What a kick.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: His kickoffs, he's – He's an intelligent, accurate kickoff.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: All three of them were on the numbers are outside.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Whalen's got to come back, or excuse me, Whalen is not hitting the ball that good right now.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: 45-0 gross, 41-8 net, 4-4-9 on the hang time.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: He was a lot better last year and the year before that.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's just been okay, and he got cold weather coming up pretty soon.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sky Moore, he's been a hell of an addition.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: Two punts, 9.5, two kickoffs, 26-0.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's good.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's it for the Packers, Tyler.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: By the way, the NFC North is now 11-5, best record in football.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Ty, that's it on Green Bay.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: How about their D?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why we do a podcast on the NFC North each week, right?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Brandon Cissé, update,
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: Matt LaFleur,
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: I believe said recently he has cleared concussion protocol,
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: not as serious as it looked in the moment.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: That being said, Jordan Rodgers, though, just reported Kobe Bryant is working out for Green Bay.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: So could that be a sign of Cissé's health or not being back full strength?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're recording this on Tuesday.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see as the week goes on.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Who's working out, Tyler?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: I believe Kobe Bryant, not the basketball player.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's the safety for the Bears who's injured.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Free agent cornerback.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Played for Atlanta, undrafted free agent out of Kansas.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so Green Bay is 2-2, and they play the Bears at 3-1.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: Should we go to the Bears?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's keep this trucking along,
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: and then also bring up the Packers' defense again here and there,
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: because I want to get your thoughts on how Jonathan Gannon possibly tries
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: to slow down this rushing attack,
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: because you're going to get a lot of Kyle Monungay and Bears linemen pulling,
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: smashing, 30, 40 plus carries.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Tyson Bajant, you know, he's accurate, had himself a nice day.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Not exactly the arm of a Caleb Williams.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to try to run the ball and set a physical tone.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: Can Bajant beat the Packers on their own field?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's the question.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't know.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Tyler.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, on the countable plays, the Bears had 93 and the Jets had 32.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: I've never heard of that.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: I know I've never covered a game like that.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Time of possession, 42-45 to 17-15.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: The game is 23-12 at the end.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Jets get a touchdown.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's 23-12.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: Bears take over on their nine.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: With 9.07 left and proceed to bang out six first downs and the Jets never get the ball back.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the Jets defense, they got DeMario Davis.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: They got the big guy Tavondre Sweat.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're not bad.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: Belton's a tough guy at safety.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're pretty good against the run.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen them three weeks in a row now.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: But they could not stop this team with Bajan a quarterback.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the Bears.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Ben Johnson said something on Monday.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: He said, here we go.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think we have a poised team in general.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: I know that now after four weeks that really, okay, so a poised team.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: Bears got 29 penalties for 189.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Their opponents have 57 more yards, seven more penalties.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Green Bay's got 42 penalties for 344.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: That is not a poised team, and that could rear its ugly head for Green Bay.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: Ben also said we're a physical football team.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: We take a lot of pride in that,
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: and I think that's the number one starting point there on defense.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you really read his things, He's not trying to obfuscate.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's just trying to inform with little nuggets and little hints of things that he's thinking.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot there in his transcripts.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go to the offense.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: They got four weapons right now.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: That was a great move getting rid of DJ Moore, sending him to Buffalo.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, as soon as that trade was made, I thought they are so shrewd on that.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: Guy's going downhill, you know.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: Has he done anything, Tyler, in Buffalo?
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's been really good, actually.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: Has he?
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, he has.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: Really, from the word go in training camp, he just moves differently than every other receiver.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: I talked to Drew Terrell as wide receivers coach.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: He put it so perfectly.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, look at the way he can run a dig route.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've never been around somebody who Cuts off their inside foot.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's unorthodox, but their quarterback's unorthodox, and he's really hit it off with Josh Allen.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: When he wasn't out there, you could feel it.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Keon Coleman had a really good game against New England this past weekend,
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: but still, their passing game's been funneling through.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: DJ Moore, he's just been banged up.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: He got dinged in the Detroit game, this New England game.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: They need him out there, and I get it, the age.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: I get why Chicago made the move for the, I think it was 60 overall they got back.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Was it?
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you're allowing Luther Burden, which,
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: by the way, Luther Burden is a player the Buffalo Bills
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: passed on in the draft.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: I brought his name up to Brandon Bean when I sat down with him that offseason,
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: and they took Maxwell Hairston, a cornerback, who was roasted by the Patriots.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah,
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: it's always interesting to see how these things play out because they're trading
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: for DJ Moore.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's got some game left.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I get why Chicago made the move.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: Ben Johnson made the move.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: DJ Moore would help him just like he did last year.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: He'd be a solid player.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: But Burden now has had to...
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Increase his role, and he's been good, 52 snaps.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: But Dunne had a slow start, but he had a really good game, 83 snaps.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: They got Kalief Raymond to be the number three to replace Moore.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's been unreal, 47 snaps.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then they got nothing really.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's look at Burden.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Five touches, 74 yards.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: He runs a bubble early on for seven, made the cornerback as a Ray Thomas, missed the tackle.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: 21 catch in the middle in traffic.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's got a lot of guts.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's a great runner.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's one of the better guys after the catch in the league, I think.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: 22-yard crossing pattern against Brandon Stevens.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then an end around a la Amon St. Brown that Ben Johnson called.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: That inside handoff to the slot receiver coming around from right to left, gain of 11.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's a threat all the time.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: A Dunze is the classic X, but he's more than that.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's a Z.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: He can play all over the formation.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: He had a 21 yard catch early.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: He was lucky that he was ruled down by contact.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: He missed on the goal line on a block on the goal line.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: It cost him a touchdown on replay.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Jets got the ball.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't score.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Third and three, runs a hook in traffic for five.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: He got matched up against Minka Fitzpatrick, who's back from injury.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it was in a two shell back there in Fitzpatrick.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he just really smoothed.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: He ran a post against him for 37, 20 yard on a deep out against Stevens.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: He took a huge hit from that tough number one, Azaray Thomas.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: He bounced right up, stayed in the lineup.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, He's played, this is his third year.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Did I expect more?
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: A little bit, but he's a pretty good player.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now, is he better than Christian Watson?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're very similar, you know, same size.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know who I'd take.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Khalif Raymond, sometimes he motions in.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the guy's 5'8", about 180.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: But Johnson knows how tough he is.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: He had him in Detroit.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: He motions from the slot into the B or C gap and then goes and leads on a safety in
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: the box on a run right behind him.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: You kidding me?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it worked.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: He is so tough.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: Very sure hands.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: The tight end, Loveland, has been kind of on the back burner because they run it so much.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: In this game, he caught six.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's got great hands.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: He showed it on and out.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: He moves like a wideout.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: We've been all through that.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a hurry.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a bad run.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: Two bad runs.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's not a great blocker.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: Laporta or Loveland?
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: Who's a better blocker?
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Neither one is.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: On a one to ten, they're both about four and a half.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Komet, he had a false start.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's a good player.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Loveland played.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, They played 93 snaps.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is that going to affect them against Green Bay, this offense?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's like two games.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: It could, although their defense is going to be fresh as a daisy.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think about that.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then Roush, rookie tight end.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: All he had to do is beat one guy, and he would have had a 28-yard touchdown on a screen pass.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: The one guy cut him down.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: The gain was eight.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's blocking very good.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't trust the guy.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's had drops this year.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to that old line.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: So you got the number three left tackle.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: Trapilo still isn't quite ready from what was it, a torn patellar last December.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then Braxton Jones is out with, I forget, a knee, I think, yeah.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: So you got Benedict, the kid from Canada.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Benedict, Thune, Bradbury, Jackson, and Wright.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: So they control the game.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Benedict, he had a holding penalty early.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, Monongah would add another 15 yards.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was a terrible call, him blocking Sherwood.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's good against the stunts.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's an athlete,
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: and his physicality is pretty good,
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: and he's got enough ballast to kind of hang in and not get walked back too much.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's a hell of a number four tackle on your squad.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: Thune, I got him for one bad run.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: What, they run the ball 70 times, 60 times.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's just money.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: The Packers know this guy.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know how old he is, 33?
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's money, Tyler.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: You just watch him.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: I love watching the guy's technique.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's still strong.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's not just relying on caginess.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's got brawn.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Bradbury.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: their ability to run wide,
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: those outside zones,
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: the key to this is him getting a reach block on the inside guy,
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: either in the one tech or even a three tech at times.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right away, he got executed a reach block, which is so hard for a center.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's quick.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Gain of 13.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote down, wow.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: He can do wonderful things.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Monongai, gain of 19.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: He blocks the linebacker, Demario Davis, the great ex-Saint.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's really swift.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: He got to Davis, gain of 19.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: Then he had Inexplicably, four bad plays in a row in the fourth quarter.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: He had a couple bad runs, gave up a knockdown.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: He got walked back by Harrison Phillips, and then another hurry to a safety on a blitz.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: But he's had a hell of a year so far.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's kept the rookie, Logan Jones, on the bench.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the right guard, Jackson.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, he's a finisher.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: He's got horsepower.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: He crashes into people.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: Manungai on that 26 yard run in the second half.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Again, Demario Davis is right there and they crash in the hole and Davis is neutralized.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: I got him for half a bad run against that beast, Tavondre Swift.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then the right tackle, right.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's up against Bailey, the second or third pick in the draft, the rookie.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: He just really owned the guy.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'd have to charge him with a sack when he, it was strange.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Davis crashed into him.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was a glancing blow.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wright got knocked off balance, and Davis got the sack.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: But in the fourth quarter,
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: when Wright got a chance to really a long pull from Wright all the way around to
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: the left end, oh, my God, he's fluid and fast, just like Panay Sewell.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's a hell of a line, and they got a third-string left tackle.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Tripilo might be back this week, but I think they got to play Benedict.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the running backs.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Swift got banished after 33 snaps after a fumble.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was flagging that ball in his left arm, was away from his chest.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: Ben must have saw that replay.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: That was it.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, a fumble is one thing, flagging something else.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he benched the guy, just like LeFleur benched Caleb Johnson.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: So Swift called it a day after 33 snaps.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: He could not score a touchdown on two cracks from the three and then the one.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: On a fourth and one toss, though, beautiful cutback gain of 13.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: He cut right behind Bradbury, who was pushing a defensive tackle about eight yards downfield.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: Swift, you know, for his reputation, he still is an A-gap banger, not to the extent of Monungay.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: So Monungay plays 50, hurts his thumb at the end of the game.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Johnson said Monday it's going to be okay.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's some Aaron Jones in him, Tyler.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: When he gets hit, he will flip that body into like a torpedo.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: He twists his body trying to torque or torpedo forward.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: I see Aaron Jones in him.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: The one-yard touchdown, they run right.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Bears always run right when its push comes to shove.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: And he takes a hard hit from Demario Davis and caroms off it.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: One-on-one battling, won it for a touchdown.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he gets there fast and he finds daylight.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's not really going to go the distance.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look at Mononga.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: What did he run at Rutgers?
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: 5'8", 209, ran 4'5", 8".
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: Swift ran 4'4", 8".
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Did not take the test score.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: I never got it.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: He was a seventh round pick from Rutgers.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: He lines up eight yard deep.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: Some people in those one back sets are at seven.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's at eight.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: He took a hard shot from Davis again.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is the litmus test with Davis banging at you.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he just keeps going forward, man.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, it gets another yard, half a yard, yard and a half.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: He just streams ahead.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: 26-yard run, hard to bring down.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_00: You've got to bring your game, man.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: Bring your A game.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: Green Bay's got to do it.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: He'll run right over them.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about it.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: Edge is flattened.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: He keeps going from a side shot.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: Roshan Johnson looked pretty decent in that game at the end.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: Ten snaps.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's a hard runner.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: We saw him in 23 or 24.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's okay as a three.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, now Bajan.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right, he gets three picks called back.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: Was he shaky?
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: He was solid.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a strong build.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look at his numbers.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a really solid base.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: He came to the line, Tyler.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: He was decisive in the huddle.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: He looked all business at the line.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: He never once looked nonplussed out of sorts that it was too big for him.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_00: Bajan, 6'3", 215.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's got classic dimensions.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: He ran 4'7", 8'.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Case Keenum, by the way, 15 years earlier, ran 4'7", 5'.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: Bajan, 27 on the test.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's a bright kid.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: 36 vert.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's a good athlete.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: Ran 4'3", 6 on the short shuttle.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty good.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_00: Hand was okay at 9 1⁄2.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: Third and six, he drilled Roma Dunze for 21.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was at ease running the show.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's at home.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: All right, that's a heck of a lot easier than Lambeau Field before 80,000 rabid ones.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: He had the bad pick to sweat, overridden by a penalty.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: He got a huge break.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: Interception behind Loveland.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: He made a bad throw, led to a field goal for the Jets.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: He took a tough frontal sack by Davis.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: Held onto the ball, up real quick.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_00: He spun out of a dead sack by McDonald,
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: a good pass rusher, Will McDonald, and scrambled for four.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he showed he has wheels and instincts.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: Second half,
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: he stepped up against those young edge rushers,
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_00: kept his eyes downfield and delivered the ball.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: He never really rattled at all.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: He threw a deep out for 20, showed a good arm, threw well on the run, moving to his right.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: He was oblivious to rushers around him.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_00: His cadence, I mean,
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: he got Demario Davis to jump off sides and took a new enough to take a shot on
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_00: a free play.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: The cadence worked a couple times, got the Jets to jump.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: He got saved in interception when there was a holding penalty on Pons.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: But again, the interception wouldn't have happened without that.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess we're going to see Bajan Sunday, Tyler.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: Incredible breakdown, per usual, Bob McGinn.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a great story.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: I could listen to Bajan speak after these games for hours.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: You can see how much it means to him coming from nowhere, West Virginia, embracing the moment.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to run the offense, operate it.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: Ben Johnson's not going to ask him to Make Caleb Williams-like plays
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: with his arm 40-plus yards down the field.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it can work, and it all starts with a ground game.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: If you're Green Bay, where do you start?
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: How do you stop this thing?
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're going to figure Bayton can't beat them, right?
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_00: So they're going to stack that deck.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: Their inside front has played pretty good this year.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_00: They've got to get John Ford jacked up against his old team.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: They got better run stuffer with McDuffie than Cooper.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: So in a blood and guts game.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: But Ben Johnson's not going to just run a gap.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to have a different he's going to beat him on the edge.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to be doing different things.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: We know that he's not going to be doing what the Packers think he's going to be doing.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: Secondary, can they cover those people?
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: With Caleb throwing the ball, maybe not with Bayesian throwing it.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they can cover those people.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_00: Williams is going to be in the box making a bunch of plays.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: You can't ask McKinney to do that.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: And Green Bay's corners.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: Nixon will come up and lay the wood to somebody.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_00: Bullard is a tough guy.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: They got people who will hit and battle on defense.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, let's face it.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: The Bears had 23 points.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: Their red zone was terrible.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is not a juggernaut offense,
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_00: you know, although the offense is better than the Bear defense.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: If they somehow win three in a row with backup quarterbacks,
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_01: yeah, that'd be a hell of a coaching job.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's what LeFleur did with Willis.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: And Willis isn't exactly setting the world on fire now.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's many reasons for that.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the receiving talent around him in Miami.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: But we're going to get to that Dolphins-Vikings game.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I point out repeatedly in that series, Bob,
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: how LaFleur's acumen,
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: even those who have very harsh critiques for his leadership style,
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: the other side of their mouth,
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_01: they point out that he's brilliant and he works incredibly well with quarterbacks.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you saw it there with Malik Willis.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: You see a lot out of a coach with what they can do with a backup quarterback.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: You're seeing it with Ben Johnson and the Bears offense right now.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, for those who don't know, Caleb Williams was officially ruled out.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: Ben Johnson says Baygent will get that start.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: So they're giving Caleb Williams plenty of time to heal from that hamstring injury.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: And if you can win in the meantime,
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: however you do it, might feel like house money for the Chicago Bears in one sense.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right, where do you want to go next, Bob?
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the defense of the Bears, although 32 snaps, you can't learn anything.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Brees Hall didn't play,
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: Adani Mitchell didn't play,
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: Nick Taylor, the good tight end, Mason Taylor, the left guard didn't play.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't have anything.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_00: The place was really loud, I thought.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: 32 snaps, just quick bounce around.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_00: Ode Ingbo, they're using the guy more.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's a really good athlete,
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: and he's even playing some inside on passing downs with Grady Jarrett.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, with him and Jarrett inside, they can run stunts, and they can cause some problems.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: Booker, who's had a slow start,
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: opposite Sweat,
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_00: he had a nice sack on a stunt,
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_00: and that's really because Odie Ingbo occupied three guys on that side,
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: and the sack came in 3.7 seconds.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: Second effort, Booker had a knockdown.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sweat had one knockdown, 22 snaps.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he just, you know, I guess he took a shower.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: Vandenberg,
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: the young player,
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: he had a knockdown against a backup guard, which became the long touchdown pass.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_00: Grady Jarrett, I mean, he's fresh now, 22 snaps.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_00: The other starter inside Contavious Street only played 15.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: These guys are fresh.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_00: Lynch, the guy who started at that base end, he was injured.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's got something.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_00: Marcus Davenport, the old Saint and Lion.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_00: He played 12 snaps.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't very good.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: I watched him.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: Then he goes and retires on Monday.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_00: He quit the Bears.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: Weird, man.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the linebackers, Edwards is fine.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_00: Jackson hardly played.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: And Bush, Devin Bush had his best game, 31 snaps.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: Nice cover man against a wide receiver.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ball was incomplete.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: In that five-man line stuff, he's up on the line.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: Edwards is behind the line.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sadiq, the talented young tight end.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_00: Zero targets, zero catches.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, zero catches, period.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: Bush got a sack.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_00: He timed it really well.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: 2.4 seconds.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_00: Nice play.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_00: Ran in.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, He's fast.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_00: He fires.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's a low tackler.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't like him in a inside the tackle box game.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_00: I would take Edmonds over that, but he was okay.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_00: Secondary, they weren't challenged by.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: Geno didn't have the ball.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: Fienemann, making a lot of tackles.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_00: He vacated his quarter of the field on that long bomb touchdown, got a little nosy.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then Stevenson.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_00: So their lineup here now is Jalen Johnson on the left side,
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: Stevenson on the right,
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_00: Muhammad the rookie is the nickel, Woods is the free, and Thenaman is the strong.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: So Stevenson, this is where the Packers have to go.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_00: They have to exploit this guy.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now on third and sixth,
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_00: they threw a ball to Garrett Wilson off on the left side,
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_00: came up and made a really firm, tough tackle.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: Held them right for a gain of five.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_00: Wilson didn't run the route to the stick.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: They had to punt on fourth and one.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped a sideline pick on a cat blitz.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_00: The Jets were their only decent offense the whole game.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_00: They had about three first downs on the ground.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_00: First and ten, the cat blitzed them off the defensive right.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Minus five.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: He made a heck of a play.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then he gave up the bomb to Isaiah Williams, 58-yard.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Thiemann, he thought he had help inside.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Thiemann wasn't there.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Santos drilled three short field goals.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_00: His accuracy on kickoffs, zero for five.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor never punted.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_00: They got a problem on kickoff return.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they had three penalties on kickoff returns.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the rookie speedster,
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Xavion Thomas, that 4-2-5 guy, He runs backward on the opening kickoff.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_00: He does not want to go north and south.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Kalief Raymond is solid on punts,
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_00: but he's really not a kickoff returner at this point in his career.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_00: So that's it for the Bears.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to posit a prediction?
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Can we extract one out of you?
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say Green Bay.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_00: How about you?
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to decline.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's going to come down to the last drive.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: These Packer-Bears games find a way to get to that point.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_01: All three did last year.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it kind of evens out.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: The Bears having to play with a backup quarterback.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: The Packers being compromised in their injuries.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: But then the way that they kind of settle things down on the offensive line on
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: the road makes you feel a little better about that situation.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think it comes down to the last drive.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's going to mean a little something extra to LaFleur, to Love.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: They know how close that game was.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: And again, check out the details in that 21-3 debacle.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you can just see time and time again.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's so similar to the 2014 NFC Championship game.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can pull a dozen plays if it goes the other way.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: The entire conversation.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Changes.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, on that whole shot, did you notice that point that a coach made, Bob?
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: That love to Watson.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the Bears are in cover two.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_01: And love, he knows he's going to get absolutely blasted.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was Dexter.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Hangs in there, delivers the shot right deep middle.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Christian Watson goes up with one arm.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_01: If he extends with two.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he got hit anyways.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: He can catch that thing.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's...
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: 1998, Steve Young, the T.O., three seconds left, all over again.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's so similar.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_01: But not only was it close because of what Watson could have done.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, think about how we're discussing Jordan Love.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: That play's immortalized.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he would trademark it, like the fourth and eight Caleb Williams Iceman stuff.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: But we're looking at that play for seven months.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: But as a coach pointed out to me, he said, watch Jaden Reed.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: That concept,
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: that route concept that they have,
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: it's better to run it at like the 50-yard line because Jaden Reed is going to run
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_01: that linebacker, 48, completely out of the play then.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: You have more space to just get him out of there.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: As it was, he still could have got him out of there if he takes it over the top.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, he crossed 48's face.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's why 48 for the Bears is kind of muddying up the picture for Christian Watson.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe That's what made him pull up a little bit.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Hesitate just a millisecond and go up with one arm versus two because Jayden crossed
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_01: the face instead of taking it higher.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Touchdown, Packers win.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of that stuff in there.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So thanks for checking it out, everyone.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's what football's about.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's going to mean a hell of a lot to both teams, both coaches.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: No doubt.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the team.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody in this league has won nine in a row, Tyler.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Who's won nine in a row?
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_01: The Minnesota Vikings.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: So they win at home against the lousy Miami team,
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: which their only explosive player is that Arcane guy.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's injured.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Minnesota has no injuries on defense still.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have Jefferson.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Devon A. Chan.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_00: You had to be thinking there for a second.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Miami starts two rookies in the secondary.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Vikings have 11 penalties for 85.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_00: They got a lucky break.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_00: A long touchdown was the Dolphin player touched his toe on the white line.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_00: So they got a little bit of lucky and they went at 15 to 10.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_00: TJ Hawkinson was the story.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler, he did not have a catch until middle of the second quarter.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Then he gets targeted 13 times and snags 13 for 119.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Nine for 76 the first three games.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, Kyler Murray has his binky.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot get the bink away from Rocco yet.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do it.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: He loves it too much.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great analogy to use.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_01: We got the white noise.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: We got binkies.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Rocco, all sorts of appearances on the pod.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get him up here.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_00: So what about Hawkinson?
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Catches a 15-yard high ball in the middle.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_00: He had a couple bad blocks in pass pro, and then they got him out of pass pro.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of a nod and go against that really good linebacker,
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Brooks, 20 yards, really a sharp route.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Third and three, runs an out for four.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: He caught three completions in succession from Cole Kyler.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Third and two, leaks out after a chip, gain of six.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Third and six, in against that nickelback, Marshall has a wideout, gain of 14th.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: 22-yard seam against Brooks, great catch, well covered.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Third and five with two minutes left.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_00: At the third and five, gains eight on a leak out.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he had a terrific game.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of yesterday's news, but they're going to have to have him.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Jawan Jennings plays 74 snaps.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_00: He gets targeted once.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Felton, who replaced Jefferson, is the third guy in the rotation.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: He plays 46.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_00: He gets targeted once.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And Addison had to play 75 out of 78 snaps.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Illegal shift, a drop, 19 on a deep sideline.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_00: Then in the fourth quarter, 27-yarder showed his explosiveness, his run after the catch.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Ball was slightly tipped right in front of him.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_00: He still caught the darn thing on an end.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's a hell of a play.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_00: That guy's got ability.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but he's not a one.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_00: And when he is a one, they go to Hawkinson.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the offensive line.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they got problems now, you know.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_00: This team has not had many injuries.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_00: So Derisaw gives up a sack to Josh Use, up the field 3.1.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_00: He gets injured and he leaves.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Then he comes back, gets up a hurry.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then leaves with a concussion in the fourth quarter.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_01: So the guy they play, I think he was a former Jet.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_00: No, former Buffalo Bill.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know this guy, Tyler, Ryan Vandermark?
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he played some for them, right?
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was a super sub of sorts at times for them.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Unrestricted, they sign him for one year, 4.27, almost all guaranteed.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_00: So he's their left tackle, and he played in this game 36 snaps.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_00: 6'6 1⁄2", 307, 527.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_00: 27 on the Wunderlich.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Very long arms, 35 3⁄4, 10 1⁄2 hand.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_00: So what is he?
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's an athlete, and he's not powerful.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_00: One time,
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uche knocked him back five yards,
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: but he was able to,
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_00: like Mark Tauscher,
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: resettle, to settle and recalibrate, and he prevented the ball got off.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Then on fourth and one at the 30 of the Dolphins,
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Jones ran for three behind him on the left side.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, they've had their third tackle in recent years was Justin School.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: They've had the quiz, David Quisenberry.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: This guy looks as good as them.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's better than school.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: He might have to play.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Now they've got a problem at left guard.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Donovan Jackson out for the regular season, said the coach, with torn meniscus and had surgery.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_00: He only played seven snaps.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Donovan, the second-year guy from the Buckeyes' first-round pick, that's a blow.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_00: So who they replace him with?
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Huber.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Former Wisconsin Badger, who made the team in 25 as an undrafted guy.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Huber is 6'5", was 3'11", 5'24".
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Don't have a test score.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Very short arms, 32 and a quarter.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_00: How did he play in this game?
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was okay.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's an athlete more than a power player, I'd say.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_00: He had one bad run against Rodriguez.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_00: He had two false starts.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_00: He had another bad run against Siler,
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_00: the kid from Ferris State, who's really a good inside run player.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a hurry to chop Robinson, but more on him later.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_00: And the two false starts.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_00: So he's got to be the guy.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_00: They got Trevor Keegan,
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_00: he was their fourth guard from Michigan,
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_00: and then Caleb Tiernan, the Northwestern rookie.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's the sixth old lineman.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_00: The center, Brandle, we know him right now.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he has pop.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's aggressive.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of lacks sustain.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's as good as Bradbury.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_00: They might disagree.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_00: The right guard.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_00: His fries, no change there.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: O'Neal had kind of a rough game against Chop Robinson, a knockdown, a sack.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_00: He got bull rushed by Chop, was really coming on.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Tiernan, the rookie, played eight snaps, illegal formation, and a false start.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go to Kyler Murray.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, Tyler.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know a lot more about him.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's so stubby, isn't he, and short?
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he gets back there.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_00: He just can't see, and he vacates.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_00: He can't see, and he gets out of there.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_00: His shortness leads to early evacuation.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_00: I question his body language.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he looks pissed.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't even look at Josh McCown, the QB passing game guru, over on the sidelines.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's quick to throw the ball away.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think his ball handling, his faking is really very good.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_00: He has flashing feet, but he carries the ball so loosely when he scrambles.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_00: He will throw some great passes.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_00: He threw a drilled Addison on the sideline for 19,
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_00: threw the 21-yard dig to Addison that got called back.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: He held the ball, took a sack.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_00: He discovered Hawkinson, the tight end.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_00: But he does good things.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Very low snap.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Shotgun snap.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_00: First play, I think, of the second half.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_00: He handles it.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hands off to Aaron Jones, who gets 14.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_00: He made a great throw for 27 against zone on a dig.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Threw a 22-yard ball to Hawkinson.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he took a lot of balls on that play.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Chops bearing down on him.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Then he wastes a timeout.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're not anywhere where they need to be.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_00: They can't rely on this defense.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're not going to win.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_00: They're not going to win the division unless this offense gets better.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_00: The running backs.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Aaron Jones has to play a lot.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_00: 57 snaps.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a good sign.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: DJ Dallas played 12.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Claiborne paid nine.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Claiborne is the back that they are willing to because he's got ability and explosiveness.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's better than he's shown,
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_00: but yet whether he has the mental aptitude to handle the entire pro atmosphere,
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: that's the question.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can see they don't totally trust him yet.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Jones, he dropped three balls in this game, an option route, a check down, and a dump off.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: He fumbled on the flat, the ball went out of bounds.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_00: He'd like to forget this thing.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's it for the Vike offense, Tyler.
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what to say about him.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Justin Jefferson makes a big difference, obviously, having him out there.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's weird, though,
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_01: is it could be disjointed and not rhythmic,
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_01: not the kind of timing Kevin O'Connell wants out of his passing game.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_01: With that defense wreaking havoc and holding teams to 10 points,
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_01: 13 points, the offense doesn't necessarily have to light it up.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: But you're right.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_01: They've got to get more because they're going to need it.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_01: To win in January, you can't be winning 9-3, 15-10 type of games week in and week out.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's a difficult offense,
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: and I still don't understand why they let this quarterback competition,
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_01: this faux competition with J.J. McCarthy last as long as it did.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's why Kyler Murray spoke out at one point and said he needs the reps.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm going to withhold judgment.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see this thing play out a little longer.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Seeing with Jefferson, because that defense is so damn good.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't need to be 1998 Randall Cunningham or even 1999 Jeff George
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_01: for this Vikings team to do some damage.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And there's some talent there.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: You make a good point on the body language, though.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, those coaches in Arizona, what they told me for that series is he's a little surly.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_01: I forget how the exact wording they used is
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_01: the leadership isn't necessarily conducive to winning, a little edgy.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: But then they also said that you have to harness it and use it.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he responds to hard coaching.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: You want to get in his face and say, throw him the mother effing ball.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Get in his face and he'll give it back to you.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when you saw the best of Kyler Murray in Arizona.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_01: And Arizona had some coaches that did that.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And Autry Denson, you know, the former Notre Dame running back.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_01: He got into this and then some more off of the record that were on that staff.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if Josh McCown and Kevin O'Connell doesn't see – I don't know.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't see them behind the scenes.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm watching TV like everybody else, and I've been around the Vikings a little bit.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_01: They're not that type of coach.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't seem, right?
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of positivity, which is great in its own way.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_00: But with Kyler Murray, this is what those Arizona coaches said.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_00: You got to do with them.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Erase the abrasiveness.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_00: So let's go to their defense.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting about Murray.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's certainly a, well, he might be the key to the division, right?
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Key to the division title.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've already beaten Chicago.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_00: They got a one game lead.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to get Chicago in the dome too,
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_01: when they face them again,
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_01: which Kyler Murray likes playing in warm weather and in domes.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Which you get a lot of that in the NFC.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: So to get that game up on Chicago in the rain and the slop with Carson Wentz
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_01: when they did, that could be a game that tips the division.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_01: We got a lot of football left, but yeah, that was a big one.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Edge rusher Tyler Batty, B-A-T-T-Y.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_00: He is the most important defensive player missing from the Vikings due to injury.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're pristine.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're 100%.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_00: They're 110%.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_00: They got everybody and it shows.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Are they going to be able to continue to trip the light fantastic and avoid problems?
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, that ain't going to happen.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: But right now they're going great.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_00: They got everybody.
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's been there for all these practices, all these games, as much as Brian Flores needs.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what he needs.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_00: He needs smart people and he's got veterans who have been with him and they are Hell
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_00: on wheels right now.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_00: They are a bitch to handle.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_00: And Malik Willis doesn't have anything.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_00: No explosion on that offense.
• 1:27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Chains out.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_00: They had no chance.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_00: And they got 198 yards and eight first downs.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_00: 2049 on possession.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_00: They had nothing.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's look at that defense.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there was minimal challenge in this game.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Redmond.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: one thing about Redmond,
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: their best D lineman, he's really quick and he pursues to the sideline.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, this guy's a hustler.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Flores and O'Connell got this team hustling right now.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: He sheds people at the point.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's a really good player.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's not great, but he's very good.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_00: The other starters inside are Levi Drake Rodriguez,
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_00: who's not a big guy, but he plays bigger than that.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just a classic old nose.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then Ingram Dawkins is a little bit on the smaller side.
• 1:28:51
  SPEAKER_00: He had two hurries in this game.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_00: He's improved in his second year.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then they got the babies.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_00: They got the rookie, Dominique Orange at one tech.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's 14 snaps.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_00: And Banks, Caleb Banks, the first round pick.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's got 11 snaps as a three, four, five technique.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Banks, all I saw, he's willing to hustle downfield.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_00: And Orange,
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of liked Orange to this point, but he had an unnecessary roughness.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_00: He hit Willis out of bounds, you know, the gratuitous shot, stupid.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_00: He played on the goal line.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's done that all year in short yardage.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_00: He gets penetration down there.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_00: On that 12-yard touchdown, he got moved easily.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's ends up on the ground a little bit too much for his, you know, 330 pounds.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_00: So that they got a five man rotation.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_00: They're all healthy and it's been good.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's been good.
• 1:29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's go to the edge.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_00: You got two guys who've been there for three years now, Van Ginkle and Turner.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start with Van Ginkle.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_00: They play almost every snap.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_00: He had a hurry, stuffed a jet sweep for no game.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Gordon, Ollie Gordon had that 53-yard run.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Other than that, the long play for the wonderful Dolphins was 17 yards.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: They were brutal.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Van Ginkle, he had a shot on Gordon's run.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of guys had shots, but it was 53 yards.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's go to Turner.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Knocked down, unblocked.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Jumps offside, misses a tackle.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Got a sack on an up against...
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right tackle Austin Jackson at 3.7.
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Goes up against Jackson.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Sacked 2.6.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_00: He flattens fast from that backside.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_00: He will set an edge, but I'll tell you, he was unblocked on the backside on that 53-yard run.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_00: It went the other way.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_00: He did not chase, Tyler.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And like three of four of his teammates missed the play, and he refused.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there's no sack and no pressure total to make a tackle 40 yards downfield.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_00: I want a guy going 100% no matter what.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just go and go until you've got to get taken out because you're fatigued.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't do it.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_00: You take a look at that.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Van Ginkle, Galde, who was five snaps, the rookie, and then Van Noy, 21 snaps.
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_00: He had to run stuff at the point of attack.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_00: He had a tackle for loss on third and two.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_00: He stayed home, and the ball eventually bounced to him, minus three.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_00: He had a batted ball.
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the linebackers, Cashman.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_00: He and Wilson are a real problem, Tyler.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_00: They are smart.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_00: They are wicked, especially Wilson.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Proctor,
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Caden Proctor,
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_00: that massive guy from Alabama,
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_00: the first-round pick, Third and two, he comes out on Wilson.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wilson just stuffed his ass at the point of attack.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_00: And Cashman, you know, he kind of sifts around, man.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's not going to jump in prematurely,
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_00: but when he goes, he fires, and usually he's going to the right place.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he missed Willis one time.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_00: He had a knockdown against the tight end.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_00: He had a fumble recovery.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's just a good player.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then Pace, There's a lot to like about Little Ivan Pace, but he's not as good as these two.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_00: He plays five snaps, but his five snaps, he's going 500 miles an hour.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Secondary, I was singing the praises of Byron Murphy last week.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_00: He had some problems in this game with Malik Washington, the sixth-round pick three years ago.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_00: 16-yard sideline catch to Washington, bad missed tackle by Murphy.
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_00: A 17-yard curl to Washington against Murphy and a 17-yard deep out to Washington
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_00: against Murphy.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_00: So he is beatable.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Rodgers had a really good game.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Little Isaiah, he's healthy and playing very well.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's hard to beat.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_00: The Nickelback, well, they're doing different things with their safeties.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Metellus is the only guy to play all 39 snaps.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to be fresh wherever they are this week.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's a fine tackler,
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_00: and he is the leader, I think, of this thing, even more so than Harrison Smith.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_00: He has a bit of intimidation in him.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now he missed a tackle.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_00: He got juked by Washington.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_00: On that 53-yard run by Ollie, he was too wide, and then the tight end took care of him.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_00: He did not look good on that 12-yard touchdown run by Coleman,
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_00: but by and large, he's a really good player.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_00: He can play up, he can play back.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_00: And Hunter Smith,
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_00: he still will stick people,
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_00: but on Gordon's 53-yard run, he got stiff-armed and gave up an extra 34.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was his play to make.
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Late in the game, he broke up a bomb, and Jackson played 18.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Reichardt, Boy, he's a weapon, Tyler.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's five for five, 47-50, 33-41-29.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_00: He had a new holder, Hecker, the last two games.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Kickoffs two for five, good directionally.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_00: The punter, they had to bring Hecker back because Thorsen's still injured.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, they got to get rid of him.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Four punts, net of 32-8, 4-3-2.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Huge.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_00: Miles Price.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_00: He leads the NFL in kickoff return, 30.2.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Punt return, 20.1.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_00: In this game, he had returns of 47 and 36.
• 1:34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Pace tipped a punt, kind of blocked the thing.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_00: There was one penalty.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_00: The Vikings are 4-0.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Quick add here,
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: because they're going on right now,
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: the Coordinators in Green Bay are meeting with the assembled media.
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Stenovich noted that he isn't sure if Zyler is going to play this week.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Quote, unquote, he might.
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_01: So take it for what
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_00: it's worth.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, okay.
• 1:35:19
  SPEAKER_00: The finale was Detroit losing at Carolina 32-26 Sunday night.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Carolina's down two starting corners.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Detroit was down one player on offense, their center, Cade Mays.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Carolina's down three starting offensive linemen and Coker, a really good number two wide out.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then they lose the rookie Freeling, the right tackle late in the third.
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_00: But yet, Detroit could not score enough to win.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_00: They scored 26.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_00: They deserve blame there.
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_00: And
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_00: The defense, despite all those problems with that offense, gave up 32 points.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_00: They got picked apart by Bryce Young, who really was pretty amazing.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_00: 445 yards and 28 first downs.
• 1:36:19
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start with the offense.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_00: They got weapons galore, all these guys, but they could all do more, I think.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start with St. Brown.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now, 8 for 75, I can't wrap him on anything.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Laporta, played good, 8 for 84.
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Tesla, you know, for a second-year guy, he will really mix it up in line as a blocker.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Campbell just demands that, and he's very good on bubble screens, blocking.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_00: He caught a 57-yard bomb.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_00: He beat that ex-Viking corner, Akileb Evans, who was picked on all night.
• 1:37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Made a nice low catch for 10.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_00: All right, now let's go to Jamison Williams.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: He plays 70 of
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_00: 71 snaps.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, he had to be fatigued.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think his best route really is a speed out.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_00: People have to back off him, and he's got that thing down both sides.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's good at it, and it's worth about six, seven, eight every time.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped the takeoff against Evans, 31 yards downfield.
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Does he have eye problems?
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that ball was right in his hands.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Third and five, a stop route against Evans, gain a seven, nice.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_00: End of the half, he runs it up against zone.
• 1:37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Couple guys back there.
• 1:37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Made a hell of a catch for 49.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Third and seven, they run the out against Evans.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Routine, gain of 14.
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then I thought it was a catchable ball on a high out later in the second half.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Tight ends, we got Laporta, Brock Wright.
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_00: He had a leg whip penalty, a false start penalty.
• 1:38:09
  SPEAKER_00: One bad run, one hurry, played pretty average.
• 1:38:12
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's look at that line.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Left to right, Sewell, Mahogany, Scruggs, Rattledge, and Miller.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_00: They're against a front with a couple of Browns and Lee Hunter.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's a young front.
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Derek Brown's really good.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_00: But they couldn't run the ball.
• 1:38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Gibbs is 15 for 46.
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's the only ball carrier in this game.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start on the left, Sewell.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of hurries.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_00: He runs like a gazelle.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_00: We know, I mean,
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_00: he's not playing left as good as he played right,
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_00: but he's the least of their problems.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Mahogany, one hole, a hurry and not, two pressures, half a bad run.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's playing okay.
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_00: Scruggs.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_00: When Mays returns in a couple weeks, Scruggs could go to left guard.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Scruggs has been pretty good.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_00: He will get overpowered at center, but he's an athletic guy.
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's agile.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think he plays smart.
• 1:39:20
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a sack.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_00: He had a holding penalty.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's a pretty good football player.
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's a pretty darn good signing.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then let's go to...
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_00: The right guard, Rattledge,
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_00: he had one responsible for one tackle for loss.
• 1:39:40
  SPEAKER_00: He had a false start, but he's been playing good football.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_00: And Miller, the rookie, one, two, three pressures, two false starts, and half a bad run.
• 1:39:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's up against Jalen Phillips until he got hurt,
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_00: and he was up against the great Derrick Brown quite a bit.
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_00: How's Miller doing?
• 1:40:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's okay.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_00: Was he as good as Freeling?
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't watch the rookie Freeling, the guy they took over.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_00: They took Miller over Freeling about 18 or something.
• 1:40:10
  SPEAKER_00: All right, that's it in the old line.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Goff.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's up against a terrible secondary and really not much pass rush.
• 1:40:21
  SPEAKER_00: So he throws for 92.8.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have a great game.
• 1:40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you expect him with all these weapons to pick these people apart.
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler I got him for four batted balls.
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to consider one a little bit downfield, it could be five.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Goff, six, four and a half, six, five.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, after that Tesla big play, I thought they'd punch that in and just win this shootout.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it was third down, that drive where it got batted down.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was weird.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_00: At the end, he takes over at his own 11.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's down six, 206, no timeouts.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_00: He had a terrible overthrow on Laporta, fourth and 13.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_00: He knows he's got to get the stick.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_00: He hit somebody, St. Brown, who only gained 11.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about going out with a whimper.
• 1:41:14
  SPEAKER_00: Again, he's the least of their problems.
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's just Mr. Money.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't money, but he's a good player.
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_00: You give him 2.8 and he will pick you apart.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem is he doesn't always get 2.8, and then he can't manufacture more time.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's about it.
• 1:41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Running back, Gibbs, he couldn't break loose.
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_00: 19 touches for 77.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped an option route in the end zone.
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was when safety ransom hit him in the back.
• 1:41:51
  SPEAKER_00: His blitz pickup was good in this game.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Did some really good things for a little guy.
• 1:41:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a lot of pride and heart.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Bakke, 12 snaps, had a drop.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's a young running back, man.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't know how to play it in college.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_00: And he's their number two.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_00: They've got to get Pacheco back, but that could be December.
• 1:42:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, that's it on the O, Tyler.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_00: Should we just go to the D?
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just keep it moving.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:42:19
  SPEAKER_00: All right, you're operating against a weak offensive line.
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_00: And there was good things.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you start with McNeil.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_00: I got him for four pressures, three run stuffs, one sack.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the guy's coming back.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was up against backup guards, Corey Bullock, and then Robert Hunt, not that good.
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_00: The center's not very good, Fortner.
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he dominated, and they have to have that.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hutchinson, you know,
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's up against the ex-packer, Rasheed Walker and Freeling.
• 1:42:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we just know the guy.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_00: He has about five pressures, a couple of bad runs.
• 1:42:57
  SPEAKER_00: They get some runs where he's a little bit going off half-cocked and he gets caught.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_00: But they got two really good defensive linemen.
• 1:43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Williams got hurt at the end of this game.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_00: They can't afford to lose him.
• 1:43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he had three run stuffs, four run stuffs.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's a really good player.
• 1:43:16
  SPEAKER_00: Their front is by far the best part of their defense.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_00: And Gil Howard had a couple of knockdowns.
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_00: He, he's the, uh, the three technique inside rusher on passing downs on Missouri.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_00: He hasn't done anything.
• 1:43:29
  SPEAKER_00: Lacey really didn't do anything.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the other edges besides Hutchinson.
• 1:43:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you got Nowoski started out there.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 1:43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Derek Moore, second-round pick, had one knockdown.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's only playing eight snaps a game.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_00: They've got to start playing this guy and get something out of him.
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_00: They've got to get something out of that pick.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_00: Wanham, the starting opposite Hutchinson, he's okay.
• 1:43:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's solid.
• 1:43:58
  SPEAKER_00: He plays both run-in pass pretty solid.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Linebackers, Campbell, he's playing okay.
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he'll miss tackles.
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_00: He plays with just unreal frigging effort, Tyler.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Regardless of the score, he just chases his ass off.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of his plays are downfield,
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_00: he doesn't seem to be making as many plays at the line of scrimmage or beyond.
• 1:44:31
  SPEAKER_00: And his blitzing, he's not getting home quite enough.
• 1:44:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Did they start Roller?
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Barnes started.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Barnes had just a slow game.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_00: He had a forced fumble.
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Ball was knocked out of bounds on McMillan, who weighed him up.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_00: So Jimmy Roller, fifth-round pick, is he?
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, fourth-rounder from Michigan.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Seven snaps.
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Second play runs in tackle for loves.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_00: He really –
• 1:45:02
  SPEAKER_00: He really looked fast covering a pass in the flat, gain of five.
• 1:45:06
  SPEAKER_00: But then on that 15-yard touchdown run,
• 1:45:09
  SPEAKER_00: he ran into the blocker, took a bad angle, didn't see him again.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_00: And they played Rodriguez, who played 28.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's an average guy.
• 1:45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Secondary, well, McMillan killed him, 14 for 192.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_00: Coker, his running mate, they don't even have him.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_00: And yet they could not deny the one stud of this entire operation.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Young, these RPOs, he just picked them apart.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Passer rating 110.7. Who do you want to talk about?
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Reed.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Reed, we know.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_00: McCrary, we know him.
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's just kind of an average guy.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yasin, who's been benched, suffered a hamstring injury, I guess.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's questionable.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_00: Rakestraw, the young third-year guy who's been hurt the first two, he played.
• 1:46:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's looking for punch-outs.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_00: He did it about four times.
• 1:46:05
  SPEAKER_00: He got one out.
• 1:46:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's given huge cushion.
• 1:46:10
  SPEAKER_00: McMillan beats him on a curl because of it for 19.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_00: He played okay.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_00: Clark, the veteran safety, the ex-Raven, Steeler, I think.
• 1:46:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's physical, but again, he missed Hubbard on a long run.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was shocking, extra 20 yards.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one thing he has to do is make all the tackles.
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_00: And Isian, he's a fearless, stiff hitter.
• 1:46:36
  SPEAKER_00: Terrible angle on a 32-yard play.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Special teams, Bates hit from 54, 43, 41, 26.
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_00: Does anybody miss a field goal anymore, Tyler?
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Seems like it's about 90% league wide.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_00: His kickoffs, excellent.
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Five of six, well placed.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Fox, couple of punts.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_00: Wasted a timeout.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ten men on the field on field goal protect.
• 1:47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Nowoski penalty running into the punter.
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_00: Lions drop to two and two.
• 1:47:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's it, Tyler.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't really know where the answers are defensively, at least offensively.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_01: You've seen it before.
• 1:47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Brian Branch, Kirby Joseph.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if they're magic wands at any point for what ails the Lions on D.
• 1:47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Credit to Dan Campbell, though.
• 1:47:33
  SPEAKER_01: I like that he held the offense's feet to the fire, too.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_01: As you pointed out, they left plays out there against a bad Carolina defense.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_01: At some point,
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_01: there's probably a conversation like Ben Johnson's impact on this team when he's
• 1:47:50
  SPEAKER_01: with the Lions.
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're winning a lot of games when he's not.
• 1:47:55
  SPEAKER_01: The win-loss record, I don't have it right in front of me.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Not nearly as good.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_01: And now he's with a division rival.
• 1:48:01
  SPEAKER_01: So the Lions did beat the Bears twice last year, though, too.
• 1:48:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I'm hedging a bit.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_01: So let's let it play out.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, those are some real, real concerns in Detroit.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right, top us off with a McGinn memory before I head to school to get these other two.
• 1:48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler, young people think that it's just easy to get a QB, you know?
• 1:48:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you got Brett, you got Aaron, you got Jordan, 35 years, no sweat.
• 1:48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, we've talked about this many times, but I got to keep drilling it down.
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the Nadir hit on September 28 of 86, so that's 40 years ago last week, right?
• 1:48:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it was up at the Metrodome, and the final was the Bikes 42, the Pack 7.
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_00: The Pack was 0 and 4, headed to 0 and 6, headed to 4 and 12.
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_00: That 0 and 6 start was their worst ever.
• 1:49:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, That placed them squarely in the Vinny Testaverde sweepstakes.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_00: But then they won some at the end and they didn't get Vinny.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_00: So let's look at what happened that year.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_00: Forrest Gregg did not like Lynn Dickey.
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Lynn challenged him and Forrest could never accept that.
• 1:49:26
  SPEAKER_00: And Lynn liked Bart.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Lynn had done some winning with Bart.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_00: And he cut Dickey on the eve of the 86 season.
• 1:49:37
  SPEAKER_00: And he went with Randy Wright, who was a sixth-round pick from Wisconsin, from Madison.
• 1:49:43
  SPEAKER_00: I believe he's from – no, I'm not sure where he's from.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_00: And he fired Bob Schnellker, Dickey's offensive coordinator, a tremendous tactician.
• 1:49:55
  SPEAKER_00: So they go to the Metrodome.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_00: My lead was about red plots in the New Jersey – New York Generals, and it was just awful.
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Vikings got three touchdowns in six minutes.
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_00: So then what happened?
• 1:50:12
  SPEAKER_00: That game was horrible.
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_00: And Forrest said, well, in that game, Vince Ferragamo replaced Wright.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_00: He fainted in the huddle after it was like 28-0.
• 1:50:27
  SPEAKER_00: And he fainted because he had...
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Had some bad food poisoning.
• 1:50:33
  SPEAKER_00: So Ferragamo went in there, the ex-Ram who had led the Rams to the Super Bowl six years earlier.
• 1:50:39
  SPEAKER_00: And Ferragamo didn't know the plays and it was horrible.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_00: So Forrest cut Ferragamo.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_00: He had kept Ferragamo over Dickey in the end of that training camp to be number two
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_00: behind Wright.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_00: So two days later, he cuts Ferragamo.
• 1:50:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is just chaos.
• 1:50:57
  SPEAKER_00: He brings in Chuck Fusina, age 29.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know that name, Tyler?
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Former USFL guy, two-time champion in the USFL.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Had him in for a tryout.
• 1:51:10
  SPEAKER_00: He had Doug Flutie in for a tryout, the Heisman winner.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Doug, little 5'7", Doug was in there.
• 1:51:17
  SPEAKER_00: He had Scott Campbell in for a tryout, the ex-Falcon.
• 1:51:21
  SPEAKER_00: And they signed Fusina.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_00: So Forrest, in the middle of all this, Forrest was asked about it.
• 1:51:30
  SPEAKER_00: And he's asked,
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_00: he says, I didn't take this job to have people love me.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really care whether they do or not, because he'd been getting booed a lot.
• 1:51:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then he says,
• 1:51:49
  SPEAKER_00: All those people that are wearing those sacks on their heads will come out next year
• 1:51:53
  SPEAKER_00: and be cheering us, those same nice people.
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so Ferragamo got cut.
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Ludie had a 30-minute workout.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_00: We watched this workout through for 30 minutes.
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_00: He had a contract with the New Jersey Generals.
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_00: And in my story,
• 1:52:15
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Generals owner Donald Trump Was willing to consider a settlement for Flutie.
• 1:52:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only time I've ever typed that name.
• 1:52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Green Bay had bid for Jim Everett.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was on the block.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_00: Houston eventually traded him to the Rams for two number ones and a five.
• 1:52:35
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the way he went.
• 1:52:37
  SPEAKER_00: They like Ferragamo so much, they gave him number five.
• 1:52:41
  SPEAKER_00: The first guy in 20 years to wear it since Paul Horning.
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_00: So they go four and 12, and here were the passer ratings.
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Randy Wright finished up at 66.2.
• 1:52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Ferragamo, 56.6.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_00: Chuck Fusina, limited duty, 61.7.
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_00: So the club had a 65.1 passer rating and completed 54.1% of their passes.
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_00: Jim Mora, who...
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_00: New Orleans coach, and they were playing the Colts.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_00: And Jim,
• 1:53:24
  SPEAKER_00: who had beaten the Packers,
• 1:53:25
  SPEAKER_00: said the only reason we're one and four and they're all in five is
• 1:53:29
  SPEAKER_00: that we played Green Bay and they didn't.
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's where they were.
• 1:53:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of a convoluted one, but.
• 1:53:39
  SPEAKER_00: The riches of having a quarterback are fantastic, man.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the.
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_01: The zoom out is always interesting because Favre to Rodgers to Love,
• 1:53:55
  SPEAKER_01: half century of just serenity at a position that drives GMs,
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_01: coaches, hell owners, batshit crazy.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's where that blowout lost Atlanta at Lambeau and hearing those boos,
• 1:54:11
  SPEAKER_01: there's just these moments from time to time where I'm sure
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_01: that there's some older generation of Packer fans.
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_01: They remember those days.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're terrified of the dark ages and a return to that.
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I suppose, you know, you know how I feel about Jordan Love.
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think that as long as he's the quarterback, they'll stay in contention.
• 1:54:32
  SPEAKER_01: But these are tough times for the Green Bay Packers, and this is a huge game.
• 1:54:37
  SPEAKER_01: And they can juke either direction this season, really, and go either way still.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Bob McGinn, thank you so much, as always, for breaking it down.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_01: And enjoy vacation.
• 1:54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Hope you have a good time out there.
• 1:54:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thank
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_00: you, Tyler.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much for checking out the podcast, everybody.
• 1:55:00
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• 1:55:02
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• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's a season number seven here.
• 1:55:06
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