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JD Vance and Joe Rogan Speak on Kamalas Border Policies and the Migrant Crisis · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: The Jerogun experience.
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  Speaker 2: I'm married to the daughter of immigrants. I do think
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  Speaker 2: that immigration can enrich this country. I do think that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, immigrants, many of them are bringing a lot
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  Speaker 2: to the table. But we have to be honest with
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  Speaker 2: ourselves that permitting five hundred thousand immigrants in a society
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  Speaker 2: like ours is much different than permitting five million or
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  Speaker 2: fifty million immigrants. And importantly, where are the immigrants coming from?
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  Speaker 2: What are their values, what are their economic skills? There's
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  Speaker 2: something record, what's their criminal record? There's something very in
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  Speaker 2: sort of the modern Again, this is a new thing
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  Speaker 2: because this is not Bill Clinton liberalism. This is something
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  Speaker 2: that we're seeing today where they don't even want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the quality and the backgrounds and the skills
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  Speaker 2: of people coming in our country. Somehow, it's fundamentally racist
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  Speaker 2: to say, well, we don't want certain people of certain
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  Speaker 2: backgrounds to be in the United States of America. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's just common sense. I mean, let me sort of
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  Speaker 2: give you a very specific example. Okay, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: ask yourself, should America accept one hundred thousand immigrants from Mexico? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Just in the abstract, Well, Mexico is a gigantic country
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  Speaker 2: with millions upon millions of people. Who are we talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Are we talking about people who speak English as a
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  Speaker 2: second language and don't have criminal backgrounds, or are we
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  Speaker 2: talking about people who don't even read and write in
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  Speaker 2: Spanish and do have criminal backgrounds, Because those same groups
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  Speaker 2: of people, even though they come from the country we
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  Speaker 2: call Mexico, are going to assimilate and contribute to America's
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  Speaker 2: society much differently. There's something in the modern liberal mind
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't even allow you to ask the question, who
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  Speaker 2: does America benefit from bringing into this country? And the
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  Speaker 2: answer is we don't benefit, then why would we bring
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  Speaker 2: them into the country.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's also this the concept of being anti open border,
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  Speaker 1: somehow or another became attached instead of safety. It became
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  Speaker 1: attached to xenophobia. It became attached to racism. And when
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  Speaker 1: you know, you confront people and say, do you know
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  Speaker 1: that Venezuela is literally opening their prisons and instructing people
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  Speaker 1: to just cross into America? Like no, when you tell
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  Speaker 1: the one of the wildest ones, I think it was you.
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  Speaker 1: We're having a conversation with a woman. We're discussing the
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  Speaker 1: gangs in Aurora, Colorado that.
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  Speaker 2: Have taken me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was like, it's only a couple of buildings.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I said, that's your community. It's only a couple
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  Speaker 2: of apartment complexes, right, with hundreds of people that have
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  Speaker 2: been taken over by Venezuelan gangs. I think, Joe, the
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  Speaker 2: right number is apartment complex is taken over by Venezuelan
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  Speaker 2: gangs is zero.
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  Speaker 1: It's in San Antonio too, It's happening in Sanatampaning everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's so crazy that people don't want to admit to
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  Speaker 1: this because if they do, it's empowering the right and
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  Speaker 1: they think it's going to help Donald Trump get elected.
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  Speaker 1: So they're turning a blind eye to dangerous criminals crossing
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  Speaker 1: the border with no recourse, no track, You can't do
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  Speaker 1: anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you see this in some communities because they're small
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  Speaker 2: towns and because rapid migrant influx can happen very quickly
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  Speaker 2: where the town population has been doubled. Okay, so you
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  Speaker 2: don't even have to assume people are criminals. What does
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  Speaker 2: it do to the local public school when all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden a thousand newcomers show up that don't even
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  Speaker 2: speak English, right, what does it do to the hospital system.
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  Speaker 2: When you now have thousands of people in a small
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  Speaker 2: healthcare system that are showing up to get emergency services
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  Speaker 2: because they don't have access otherwise to a doctor. And
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  Speaker 2: now the American citizens have to wait in line for
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  Speaker 2: seven hours to get to see a doctor because we've
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmed the local hospital system. What does it due to
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  Speaker 2: housing prices. We've seen this in a number of communities,
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  Speaker 2: including those that I represent in Ohio. When you bring
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  Speaker 2: in thousands upon thousands of people, you cannot build enough
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  Speaker 2: houses quickly enough to accommodate that, so the cost of
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  Speaker 2: housing becomes unaffordable for American citizens. It is the craziest
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  Speaker 2: thing that we've seen in this country that you don't
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  Speaker 2: even allow people to talk about the effects of mass
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  Speaker 2: migration anymore. And that's why I think it's one of
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  Speaker 2: the reasons why Donald Trump is going to be elected president,
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  Speaker 2: or at least should be elected president, because he's one
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  Speaker 2: of the few guys who's saying, you know what, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this problem. Yes, some immigrants
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  Speaker 2: are good, some immigrants are not good, and that is
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  Speaker 2: an obvious insight to anybody who knows human nature.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think is the goal behind allowing this
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  Speaker 1: to take place. Now, first of all, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that Kamala Harris has said was that there was
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  Speaker 1: a bill that could have fixed the border problem, but
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump did not want it to take place
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  Speaker 1: because he wanted to keep this as a political talking point.
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  Speaker 2: Totally dishonest, totally dishonest. Here here is what was the bill. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: here was the bill. What happened is Okay, let me
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  Speaker 2: talk about what the bill does first. Okay. Number one
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  Speaker 2: is it sets a maximum cap on the number of
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  Speaker 2: illegal immigrants that we could have before the border shuts down.
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  Speaker 2: That maximum cap is two million illegal aliens per year.
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  Speaker 2: It's like one point eighty five million, to be more precise.
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  Speaker 2: That's number one it did. Number two, it codified what's
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  Speaker 2: called catch and release, where a person comes into our
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  Speaker 2: country they're an illegal immigrant, but they say no, no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not an leegal immigrant. I'm an asylum seeker. And so
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  Speaker 2: their claim for asylum gets adjudicated. But because there's a backlog,
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  Speaker 2: because we have so many their claim isn't going to
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  Speaker 2: be adjudicated for fifteen years. So rather than having that
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  Speaker 2: person wait in Mexico, we give them a work permit
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  Speaker 2: and we give them a legal status and we let
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  Speaker 2: them come into the United States of America. That's called
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  Speaker 2: catch and release. Donald Trump's policy was you have to
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  Speaker 2: wait in Mexico. We're not going to catch you and
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  Speaker 2: then release you into the country for fifteen years. It
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  Speaker 2: codified that. In other words, even if Donald Trump became president,
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  Speaker 2: and this is why he really hated it, is that
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  Speaker 2: he would not be able to undo catch and release
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  Speaker 2: if he won the election, it would be codified into
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  Speaker 2: American law. Third thing that it did nothing on the
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  Speaker 2: border wall, nothing on an immigration system called parole, which
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to be a case by case you grant
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  Speaker 2: parole to people who are fleeing to tyranny. But Harris
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  Speaker 2: has used parole to the tune of millions upon millions
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  Speaker 2: mass parole. Whole categories of country have been paroled into
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  Speaker 2: the United States. They didn't do anything to solve that problem.
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  Speaker 2: So it wasn't a border security bill. It was an
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  Speaker 2: amnesty bill. Now, in addition to what I just said,
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  Speaker 2: it also gave some table scraps to border patrol, and
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  Speaker 2: that is what allows them to hinge onto that one
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  Speaker 2: thing and to say it's a border security bill, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: It was a mass amnesty bill would have made the
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  Speaker 2: border problem ten times worse, and that's why they ultimately
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  Speaker 2: pushed it, and that's why Republicans fought against it. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, like six Democrats voted against that piece of
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  Speaker 2: legislation because they thought it was kind of a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: So it was not a bipartisan border bill, and in fact,
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  Speaker 2: it was much more bipartisan the opposition to the legislation.
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  Speaker 2: But it has allowed Kamala Harris to go around and
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  Speaker 2: dishonestly claim that she cares about the southern border, even
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  Speaker 2: though when she came into office they bragged about undoing
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  Speaker 2: all of Donald Trump's successful border policies. They did exactly that,
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  Speaker 2: and then we had the massive migrant innovation that we've
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  Speaker 2: seen in the last three years.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was good on you in the
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  Speaker 1: debate with Tim Wattz when they fact checked you. They
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  Speaker 1: tried to fact you check you and say that this
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  Speaker 1: has always been in place, and you stepped up and said, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: this app is new. And this app was specifically used
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  Speaker 1: for shipping, yes, and now they're using it to schedule
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  Speaker 1: people to illegally come into the country. Here's the question, why,
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  Speaker 1: why is this happening? What do you think? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: obviously speculation a little bit, but what do you think
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  Speaker 1: the motivation of allowing this to take place? And the
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  Speaker 1: disproportion number of people that have moved to swing states,
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  Speaker 1: which is also like a little suspicious.
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  Speaker 2: So it depends on how many how many tinfoil hats
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  Speaker 2: do you have in this run? Because I got a wardrobe,
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  Speaker 2: we can get real serious about this real quick or
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  Speaker 2: pretty pretty crazy very quickly. Look, I think what is
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  Speaker 2: obvious is and I've seen this in the halls of Congress.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen it very explicitly. You talk about lobbying, and
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  Speaker 2: we obviously talked about in the context of other industries.
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  Speaker 2: There is a massive corporate lobby for cheap labor in
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  Speaker 2: the United States of America, and that is I think
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  Speaker 2: the main thing that's going on. To think about this,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got millions of illegal aliens, Okay, let me
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  Speaker 2: tell you a story. In twenty seventeenty eighteen, when I
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  Speaker 2: was in the private sector, I was at a business
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  Speaker 2: conference dinner and I was seated next to the CEO
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  Speaker 2: of one of the largest hotel chains in America. This
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  Speaker 2: is I think probably twenty eighteen, and the guy is
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  Speaker 2: going on and on about how much he hates Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, that's interesting, Like why do you
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  Speaker 2: hate Donald Trump so much? Because again I was I
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  Speaker 2: was sort of a Trump skeptic in twenty fifteen, and
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  Speaker 2: at this point I was kind of, you know, starting
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  Speaker 2: to really get get on the Trump train. And he said, well,
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  Speaker 2: the reason the reason I hate Donald Trump, he says,
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  Speaker 2: is because Donald Trump's border policies have cut down the
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  Speaker 2: number of illegal immigrants, and because I can't pay illegal
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  Speaker 2: immigrants under the table anymore, I have to pay American
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  Speaker 2: workers and they want much higher wages. And I'm this
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  Speaker 2: guy just admitted it. I was like, holy shit, this
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  Speaker 2: guy just admitted that rhyme much to it as a
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  Speaker 2: straight up monopoly man. Evil shit that this guy admitted to.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, my wife, who's very political,
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  Speaker 2: she was actually at the dinner with me, and she's like,
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  Speaker 2: come again, you just said you don't want Americans to
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  Speaker 2: get decent wages, Like that is the best argument for
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's immigration policy is that American workers are getting
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  Speaker 2: higher wages and this is why this corporate ceo hates it.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever the industry is, you've got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people who want cheap labor and they don't want to
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  Speaker 2: pay American workers higher wages. That's a big part of it.
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  Speaker 2: I do think there's also a power dynamic to it.
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  Speaker 2: In particular, I think Kamala Harris and the Democrats they
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  Speaker 2: want to give these millions upon millions of illegal aliens
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  Speaker 2: the right to vote. They want to legalize them. They
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  Speaker 2: want to make it easier for them to participate in
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  Speaker 2: our elections, and that means fundamentally the end of American
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  Speaker 2: democracy because you're talking about twenty five million people here.
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  Speaker 2: If Kamala Harris gives ten million of those people legal
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  Speaker 2: status and allows them to vote in American elections, then
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  Speaker 2: you say, seventy third do they go Democrat? Republicans will
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  Speaker 2: never win a national election in this country in my lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: And the only way to get them on your side
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  Speaker 1: was would be the Republicans offer the same services and
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  Speaker 1: maybe even be more generous in letting illegals in exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you'd have to literally beat them at their
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  Speaker 1: own game, like I'm going to give you a free house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean, yeah, you know, lifetime is probably
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  Speaker 2: overstating it, but you'd have to. It would take thirty
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  Speaker 2: years for the Republicans to get to a point where
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  Speaker 2: we could even compete with these these newcomers. But again,
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  Speaker 2: it will have degraded the voting power of the people
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  Speaker 2: who have the legal right to be here.
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  Speaker 1: And the states blue forever, the same way they've done
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  Speaker 1: California exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And we saw this, and look, I'm like a Reagan guy, right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a conservative Republican. But Reagan screwed up a lot.
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  Speaker 2: He's screwed up mental health in this country. People don't
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  Speaker 2: talk nearly enough about that thing. He really screwed up.
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  Speaker 2: Amnesty thing. He really screwed up. Yeah, and people always say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Ronald Reagan. You know, when they critics of
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump will say, well, look at how Reagan talked
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  Speaker 2: about immigration. Because of what Ronald Reagan did at the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six amnesty, California is now effectively permanently blue
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  Speaker 2: state except when Arnold won. But Arnold ran as a
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  Speaker 2: super moderate Republican. He was a major celebrity, right, he
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  Speaker 2: was at the height of his celebrity power. And he's
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  Speaker 2: still won barely even though California had been mismanaged. California
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  Speaker 2: is a one party state because of Ronald Reagan's amnesty,
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  Speaker 2: and that's.
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  Speaker 1: The fear, is that the entire country could become one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the entire country becomes that now. It also you
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  Speaker 2: may not appreciate this, but even if you don't give
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  Speaker 2: people the right to vote, it really distorts congressional apportionment
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  Speaker 2: and then the electoral college. You know how this works?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay too, but.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, so how many you know? We have four
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  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five congressional seats. Who The way that
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  Speaker 2: you draw those congressional districts is that you try to
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  Speaker 2: draw them evenly based on population, so that everybody has
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  Speaker 2: equal representation. Right, one person, one vote, fundamental principle of
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  Speaker 2: American law. But you don't just count the American citizens.
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  Speaker 2: You also count the illegal aliens. And so, for example,
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  Speaker 2: the state of Ohio lost a congressional seat in the
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  Speaker 2: last census, and states that have high illegal immigrant populations
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  Speaker 2: picked up congressional seats. So you're actually taking away congressional
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  Speaker 2: representation from American citizens and giving it to illegal aliens.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you don't give them the right to vote,
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  Speaker 2: you're still destroying the voting power of American cities because
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  Speaker 2: it's based on population, based on population including illegal immigrants.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a way to change it so that it's
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  Speaker 1: only based on legal American citizens?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Donald Trump tried a proposal that Democrats went nuts
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  Speaker 2: over and litigated, was litigated in the courts, So we
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  Speaker 2: would have to try again. That would ask citizenship status
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  Speaker 2: during the US census, the idea being that if you
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  Speaker 2: ask more people their citizenship status, you get fewer people
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  Speaker 2: who are answering that question. I think that we should
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  Speaker 2: make it, and I do think this would require an
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  Speaker 2: Act of Congress, but I think that it would be constitutional.
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  Speaker 2: Is we should just say that illegal aliens are not
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  Speaker 2: counted for purposes of congressional representation. Yeah, the Democrats would
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  Speaker 2: call that racist, but it's just common sense policy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, especially if it's been shown that you're manipulating it
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  Speaker 1: by moving more people to these places, and even if
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  Speaker 1: they're not legal citizens and they can't vote, it still
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  Speaker 1: counts as congressional seats. Correct, that's kind of crazy. That's
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  Speaker 1: exactly right, it doesn't I The one that drives me
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  Speaker 1: the most crazy is this idea that somehow or another,
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  Speaker 1: it's discriminatory to require ID to vote. That could only
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  Speaker 1: mean I've tried to look at this from the most
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  Speaker 1: charitable position outside of it only makes sense if you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to cheat.
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  Speaker 2: It's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: You need a ID for everything. Yeah, do you need
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  Speaker 1: an idea to rent a car?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know it's basically illegal now in California. Yea
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  Speaker 2: to ask for voter ID, which is crazy, which is
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  Speaker 2: totally insane. But you know my view, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you got many many listeners in the great state of California.
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  Speaker 2: The next time you're pulled over by a police officer,
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  Speaker 2: just tell them that you're on your way to vote.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that name.
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  Speaker 2: Think about this. You can't. If you can't require people
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  Speaker 2: to show voter ID, then I think you're inviting fraud
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  Speaker 2: into your system. And there's also something implicitly very racist
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  Speaker 2: about this because what they say is voter ID means
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  Speaker 2: that black people aren't going to vote. Well. Number one,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at polls, the same level of support
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  Speaker 2: for voter ID exists in the black community is in
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  Speaker 2: the white community. It's about seventy five eighty percent of
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  Speaker 2: blacks seventy five eighty percent of whites support voter ID.
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  Speaker 2: But they're basically saying that black people can't get identification.
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  Speaker 2: When they say that voter ID is racist, they're implicitly
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  Speaker 2: saying black people can't get identification. I think that's an
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  Speaker 2: actual racist concept concept. I actually assume that my fellow
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  Speaker 2: or the black citizens are my fellow Americans, and they
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  Speaker 2: can do the same thing that every other citizen can do,
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  Speaker 2: which is good identification, assass