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"Leagues of Their Own" (Wednesday December 10 2025, Hour 3) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Fiant and morem Megan, now make America great again than
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  Speaker 1: I've ever been.
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  Speaker 2: Making mornings great again. First thing today on the Tunk
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  Speaker 2: Media Network by Joe Jalas.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for letting me be of service to you
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  Speaker 3: on this Tedsday morning four three four eight eight two
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  Speaker 3: four two one seven is where we celebrate your tedness
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  Speaker 3: every day, but we set this particular day aside for
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  Speaker 3: its linguistic trick of the tongue there and celebrate the
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  Speaker 3: gifts God has bestowed upon you and your enthusiastic application
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  Speaker 3: of same tariffs, grocery prices, affordability, European Union. Oh, all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of things on the comeback trail this morning, and
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  Speaker 3: comeback trails are on the comeback trail this morning. Uh
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  Speaker 3: So we'll get our first things coming up here. But
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  Speaker 3: let me get to you because one of the most
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  Speaker 3: important parts of the program is the most local part
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  Speaker 3: of any radio station. You and how the news of
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  Speaker 3: the day is impacting you. Good morning, You're on the
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  Speaker 3: air with Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Who's this Good morning?
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  Speaker 3: Joe's Joel, Oh, Joel House things in Florida.
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  Speaker 4: It's okay, it's sixty two here, so oh park park
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  Speaker 4: parkas and you know it's freezing for me.
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  Speaker 3: It's tell them, It's tell them. It was fifteen degrees
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  Speaker 3: yesterday in Virginia. So I had I had to laugh
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  Speaker 3: because our network head end on the other end of
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  Speaker 3: the Mumford tee firefly suck it from the sky down
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  Speaker 3: link Antennae is up in Denver, Colorado, and the girl
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  Speaker 3: at the network headquarters said, it was like forty five
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  Speaker 3: degrees yesterday morning, and it was fifteen here in Virginia.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I grew up in Ohio. We used to
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  Speaker 4: say what it was. I grew up in southwest Ohio.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm in southwest Florida, but we grew up in
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  Speaker 4: When I grew up in Ohio, at one time the
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  Speaker 4: Ohio River froze. I think it was like nineteen seventy seven.
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  Speaker 4: But what I wanted to call in about was you
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  Speaker 4: were talking about linguistics, right, So let me say these
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  Speaker 4: Let me say these two things. So the word actual
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  Speaker 4: means existing in fact, typically contrasted with what is intended,
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  Speaker 4: expected or believed or existing and now current. And then
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  Speaker 4: the word factual needs concerned with what is actual the case,
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  Speaker 4: rather than interpretations or reactions to it. But if you
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  Speaker 4: look at if you look at those two words, you
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  Speaker 4: can go, man, this is a contrast of confusion. So right, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I know it says if you look at our if
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  Speaker 4: you look at our world of reality, what supposedly reality.
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  Speaker 4: Now we're dealing with AI and we have a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people that are great at circumlocuting and supposedly putting
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  Speaker 4: out the fact or what is actually happening, and so
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  Speaker 4: we have we're talking about Islam and communism, but there's
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  Speaker 4: really not that much difference because they both have one
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  Speaker 4: one intent in mind is to control people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a control and it's and it's dictatorial, it's
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  Speaker 3: dehumanizing all of those things. Uh, And believe it or not,
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  Speaker 3: there is so much more in that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: It's just in one case it's the government is the
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  Speaker 3: religion and the other one religion is the government. I
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  Speaker 3: guess is the difference shoal. But you're right, and the
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  Speaker 3: way we twist words around is so intentional. There, I've
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  Speaker 3: got to do our first things here, but I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: So you have a great morning, you too, thinks at
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  Speaker 3: four three four eight eight two four two one seven.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the Supreme Court as well,
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  Speaker 3: coming up, let's not to drop that ball because they
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  Speaker 3: had a ruling yesterday. But our first things to begin
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  Speaker 3: in Beautiful mount Airy Lodge, where President Trump went to
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  Speaker 3: talk about affordability, and under a banner that said lower
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  Speaker 3: prices and bigger paychecks, she said, they caused high prices
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  Speaker 3: and we're bringing them back down. They gave you the
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  Speaker 3: highest inflation in history. On his way to Beautiful mount
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  Speaker 3: Airy Lodge, President Trump said he would consider eliminating federal
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  Speaker 3: taxes on gambling winnings to be fair. He was asked
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  Speaker 3: about it and said, quote, I don't know. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to have to think about that. But the press didn't
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  Speaker 3: take that as a no. US has deployed two fighter
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  Speaker 3: jets to buzz the coastline of Venezuela yesterday. It's the
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  Speaker 3: closest military approach since the US has settled there in
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  Speaker 3: the Gulf of Venezuela. According to a defense official the Pentagon,
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  Speaker 3: speaking on the condition of anonymity to the Associated Press,
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  Speaker 3: it was quote a routine training flight. Meanwhile, in the Senate,
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  Speaker 3: Senator Tim Kaine and Adam Schiff, along with Minority Leader
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  Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer and Rand Paul are ready for a test
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  Speaker 3: vote on a war powers resolution next week that would
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  Speaker 3: restrict the president's ability to strike the drug cartels in
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  Speaker 3: Venezuela unless Congress authorizes them to do so. President Trump's
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  Speaker 3: approval rating has edged up to forty one percent over
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  Speaker 3: the last week, according to the latest Reuters IPSOS poll.
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  Speaker 3: That's up from thirty eight percent the week before, specifically
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  Speaker 3: on his handling of the economy. A three judge federal
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  Speaker 3: appeals court panel Tuesday cleared the administration to resume discharging
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  Speaker 3: transgender service members, issuing a stay that reinstated Secretary Pete
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  Speaker 3: Hegsith's policy while the case is getting its full appellate
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  Speaker 3: argument next month. The administration is threatening to pull federal
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  Speaker 3: funding from public transportation in Chicago unless the city titans
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  Speaker 3: security after a man set a woman on fire in
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  Speaker 3: a commuter train last month. European leaders are pushing back
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  Speaker 3: sort of against President Trump's statements last week about Europe's
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  Speaker 3: governments being weak and falling apart. He said, quote, we
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  Speaker 3: respect the choice of Americans, and they need to respect
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  Speaker 3: the democratic choices of our citizens. That is Antonio Costa,
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  Speaker 3: the European Council President, and Chinese Premier Li Kwang was
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  Speaker 3: speaking at a Beijing roundtable on international trade and said
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  Speaker 3: tariffs have delivered a severe blow to the world economy.
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  Speaker 3: And those are our first things on this Ted's Day
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  Speaker 2: For you from Joe Thomas. It's first thing today.
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  Speaker 3: The case out of twenty twenty two involving JD. Vance
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  Speaker 3: and it is the National Republican Senate Committee versus the
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  Speaker 3: Federal Election Commission. It's in front of the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: and joining us to get into the case and the
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  Speaker 3: arguments made. Ilias Shapiro is back on whether us iliot,
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  Speaker 3: it's good to hear from you again. How have you been.
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  Speaker 22: Doing all right?
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  Speaker 20: Doing all right? Finishing up some things for the year
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  Speaker 20: before heading into the holidays.
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  Speaker 3: It always seems to be the case. So, first off,
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  Speaker 3: the facts of the case. As I understand it, this
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  Speaker 3: goes back. This doesn't have to do with JD. Vance
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  Speaker 3: for Vice president. This has to do with JD. Vans
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  Speaker 3: in his Senate campaign along with another congressional candidate, and
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  Speaker 3: the issue of how much a campaign con coordinate with
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  Speaker 3: donors in the party versus individual. Give us the weeds
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  Speaker 3: on this before we get into what was heard yesterday.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, it's an unusual kind of campaign finance regulation. You know,
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  Speaker 20: with Citizens United and other things. Over the last fifteen years,
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  Speaker 20: it's all about super packs and donations to candidates and
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  Speaker 20: independent speech and fundraising for campaigns. This is about coordination
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  Speaker 20: between candidates and parties. And now you're thinking, why shouldn't
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  Speaker 20: candidates and parties be able to coordinate there trying to
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  Speaker 20: accomplish the same thing. Why would there be a restriction
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  Speaker 20: on that? And the reason originally we're talking fifty years
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  Speaker 20: ago almost at this point, the Federal Election Campaign Act
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  Speaker 20: is concerned about donors being limited and how much they
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  Speaker 20: can donate to candidates. So they try to corrupt a
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  Speaker 20: candidate or bribe them indirectly if they give a bunch
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  Speaker 20: of money to the party, then they hope to influence
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  Speaker 20: individual candidates. So we've had these restrictions, and it's really
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  Speaker 20: it's artificial what we've seen, both in terms of the
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  Speaker 20: First Amendment jurisprudence the Supreme Court has had and the
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  Speaker 20: experience on the ground of states, some of which have
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  Speaker 20: similar bars under state law, some of them don't. And
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  Speaker 20: there's no correlation between having this kind of restriction and
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  Speaker 20: having more corruption in elections or popular confidence in election integrity.
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  Speaker 20: And then Congress has changed the law over the years
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  Speaker 20: as well to allow certain exceptions that have sort of
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  Speaker 20: swallowed the rules. So it's really an anachronism that we
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  Speaker 20: still have. And incomes Jdvans when he was running. That's
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  Speaker 20: just a matter of certain candidates in Ohio in that
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  Speaker 20: case that wanted to coordinate with the party, and so
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  Speaker 20: we have this challenge.
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  Speaker 3: So what was heard, you know, did they make a
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  Speaker 3: good case? I know that there at the Manhattan Institute
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  Speaker 3: where Ilia applies his trade and he watches this kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. So much of what you and I have
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  Speaker 3: talked about, and I feel like I've learned a lot
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  Speaker 3: about how these Supreme Court cases often are decided years earlier,
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  Speaker 3: in the way they're in the manner they're written and
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  Speaker 3: argued in the very first instance of their appearance in court.
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  Speaker 3: They've gotten this far to the Supreme Court. How were
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  Speaker 3: the arguments made yesterday? And do you think that the
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  Speaker 3: judge justices see this anachronistic situation before them or are
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  Speaker 3: they going to defer to previous jurisprudence.
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  Speaker 20: Well, it's unlikely that they would have taken up this
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  Speaker 20: case if it wasn't to reverse their their previous decisions.
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  Speaker 20: So almost a quarter century ago, in two thousand and one,
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  Speaker 20: there was a Supreme a narrow Supreme Court ruling five
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  Speaker 20: to four, approving this restriction. And that's why the lower
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  Speaker 20: court that was considering this challenge, the Sixth Circuit, ruled
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  Speaker 20: against the challengers because of this Supreme Court precedent. And
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  Speaker 20: you know, the court, if they were fine with that,
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  Speaker 20: they wouldn't have taken up the case. But they decided
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  Speaker 20: to take it up, and it's it's unlikely. It's it's
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  Speaker 20: unusual for the Court to take up cases that, especially
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  Speaker 20: ones that attract national attention, only to affirm them, particularly
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  Speaker 20: when there's not a split among the lower courts. And
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  Speaker 20: so it's almost certain that they took it up to reverse,
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  Speaker 20: although yesterday's argument wasn't as clear cut as as some
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  Speaker 20: may see. For example, just as Barrett only asked one question,
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  Speaker 20: just as Gorge didn't talk the entire time. So you know,
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  Speaker 20: as often is the case, the argument that we see
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  Speaker 20: is or that we hear, is the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 20: And once you look at the reading and kind of
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  Speaker 20: this past history that I've given you, you know, even
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  Speaker 20: though the argument wasn't particularly one sided, I'd be shocked
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  Speaker 20: if the Court did not overturn that twenty five year
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  Speaker 20: precedent and get rid of this rule.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about this court's particular pension
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  Speaker 3: towards going after precedent, which is unusual from a lot
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  Speaker 3: of Supreme Court watchers that I've talked to. But before
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  Speaker 3: we get off this particular case, Ilia Shapiro on with
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  Speaker 3: us from the Manhattan Institute, what would the perils be
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  Speaker 3: if they were to overturn this ruling and this prohibition
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  Speaker 3: against coordination? What do you think there would be a
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  Speaker 3: substantial change in the way campaigns are operated on both sides.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to matter to both political parties.
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  Speaker 20: I don't think so, because there's still a limit in
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  Speaker 20: how much owners can give to parties, so that doesn't change.
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  Speaker 20: It would just allow parties and candidates to cooperate further.
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  Speaker 20: And we've seen this real time experiment, as I mentioned,
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  Speaker 20: in the last twenty five years. There are some states
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  Speaker 20: that have this same kind of prohibition on our limitation
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  Speaker 20: on coordination between party and states for state elections, and
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  Speaker 20: there are some states that don't have this restriction. And
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  Speaker 20: it doesn't correlate to blue state and red state and
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  Speaker 20: things like that, by the way, it's just the way
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  Speaker 20: these things are structured, and we have not seen a
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  Speaker 20: difference in bribery or quid pro quote corruption or popular
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  Speaker 20: discontent with the integrity of elections. That doesn't correlate to
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  Speaker 20: what kind of rules regarding coordination these states have, So
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  Speaker 20: I don't really think, you know, there could be other
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  Speaker 20: changes down the line that would affect the operation of campaigns,
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  Speaker 20: but getting rid of these coordination restrictions I don't think
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  Speaker 20: would do anything other than harmonie is what parties and
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  Speaker 20: candidates are doing and perhaps lead to more uh more
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  Speaker 20: positive ads in favor of the candidate wreck because it's
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  Speaker 20: a lot easier for for a party to produce a
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  Speaker 20: negative ad without having to coordinate.
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  Speaker 3: And this isn't going to or is there the peril
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  Speaker 3: that this could also impact how political action committees you
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  Speaker 3: know UH are are prohibited from coordinating with candidates. No,
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  Speaker 3: there isn't the possibility that a precedent could be sent
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  Speaker 3: there could they're illi.
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  Speaker 20: No, it doesn't affect that at all. And you know,
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  Speaker 20: one of the overall one of the big imbalances or
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  Speaker 20: asymmetries in the way campaign financial law works is that
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  Speaker 20: there are these restrictions restrictions on donations to candidates and parties.
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  Speaker 20: Here we're talking about coordination, but there's restrictions on you know,
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  Speaker 20: how much you can you can you can give a
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  Speaker 20: particular candidate or party, but there aren't restrictions on how
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  Speaker 20: much you can spend independently or donate to super PACs.
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  Speaker 20: So in the last ten to fifteen years, we've seen
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  Speaker 12: Mac, don't sell yourself short.
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  Speaker 26: I first things First, of course, I thought I was
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  Speaker 26: Brett yor Mark sounded off yesterday about Pete Bovaqua, not
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  Speaker 26: Patrick's show and what he said about the ACC which
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  Speaker 26: so he's a you know, he's a money guy right
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  Speaker 26: looking at the you know, we're doing okay, and that's
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  Speaker 26: different from the selection folk. But your mack took a
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  Speaker 26: shot at Bovakua yesterday and why not.
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  Speaker 12: That's where we've been.
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  Speaker 1: I think Pete's his behavior has been egregious. It's been
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  Speaker 1: egregious going after Jim Phillips. When they saved Notre Dame
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  Speaker 1: during COVID, we all knew and it was very transparent.
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  Speaker 12: Hunter was very transparent about it.
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  Speaker 1: The chair that as Notre Dame in Miami got closer
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  Speaker 1: together head to head would be a factor by you lost.
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  Speaker 1: of bounds in his approach. And he was in the
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  Speaker 12: A right there you go. So anyway, I just had
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  Speaker 26: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go back into history
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  Speaker 26: twenty you know, twenty two years ago, two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 26: I broadcasted the U in North Carolina State football game
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  Speaker 26: between match Shob and Philip Rivers.
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  Speaker 12: Now the two quarterbacks in the NFL.
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  Speaker 26: Qbs have a combined fifteen kids.
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  Speaker 12: Rivers has ten of them.
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  Speaker 26: Just so you know, so Rivers is getting a lot
• 30:14
  Speaker 26: of pubs since he is gonna probably play for Indy
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  Speaker 26: this week. He's forty four. But when you look at
• 30:20
  Speaker 26: his stats, he started every game for fifteen straight years.
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  Speaker 26: Grandpa's strength. Well, he became a grandfather in May. Right,
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  Speaker 26: he has ten kids, and at least for now, the
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  Speaker 26: former NC stater is a Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 12: Possible on the ballot.
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  Speaker 26: I think maybe this year, right, seventeen years in all
• 30:42
  Speaker 26: in the NFL, and this isn't his first rodeo. In
• 30:45
  Speaker 26: January of twenty twenty one, following his single season with
• 30:48
  Speaker 26: the Colts, he retired from football. And that was after
• 30:51
  Speaker 26: twenty eleven. When he stepped away from the Chargers for
• 30:53
  Speaker 26: a year that was probably to have six kids, and
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  Speaker 26: then came back in twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the wife was involved, the little bit and
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  Speaker 3: the kids, so you.
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  Speaker 26: Know, yeah, we think, I mean, we don't know that
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  Speaker 26: for sure. He led Indy in twenty twenty. He led
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  Speaker 26: Indy to an eleven five record. He threw for over
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  Speaker 26: forty one hundred yards and twenty four scores. He's an
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  Speaker 26: eight time pro bowler. He hasn't done the pad since
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  Speaker 26: January ninth, twenty twenty one, and that's when the Colts
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  Speaker 26: lost a Buffalo in a wild card game in front
• 31:21
  Speaker 26: of sixty seven hundred.
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  Speaker 12: That was you remember the OVID issue.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, restrictions time.
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  Speaker 26: Yeah, at that time, he was reluctant to return to
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  Speaker 26: the NFL. As he put it, I just didn't want
• 31:35
  Speaker 26: to be a guest quarterback.
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  Speaker 21: Didn't want to be a guest quarterback. You know, you
• 31:38
  Speaker 21: want to at least have some camaraderie and some systems. Man,
• 31:42
  Speaker 21: I've been in on this journey with you guys at
• 31:44
  Speaker 21: least for half a season. But when he got to
• 31:46
  Speaker 21: the playoffs, it's like, man, you're gonna go and play
• 31:47
  Speaker 21: one game and you're either the hero to help him
• 31:51
  Speaker 21: win or you came in and cast him a playoff game.
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  Speaker 21: So it just didn't make ahole lot.
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  Speaker 12: Of sense, all right.
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  Speaker 26: So anyway, the fiery Philip Rivers, so, Ridgewater, Brady and
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  Speaker 26: Farv have all played over you know, forty years old.
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  Speaker 12: So but I mean over forty all right?
• 32:08
  Speaker 26: Can you name the four qbs who have started a
• 32:11
  Speaker 26: game at forty four or older. I'm not gonna make
• 32:18
  Speaker 26: sit there and play again.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Well, Jurgensen's got to be one of them. Certain, Jurgensen
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  Speaker 3: and Tittle have got to both be in hy Ain't no.
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  Speaker 26: Brady, Vinnie Testa, Verdie, Steve de Berg and Warren Moon.
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  Speaker 10: Wow.
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  Speaker 26: Okay, okay, So but that game, that game in three
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  Speaker 26: was a classic NC State beat Virginia fifty one thirty seven.
• 32:39
  Speaker 26: Shop threw a late pick and NC State's Victor Stevens
• 32:43
  Speaker 26: a key moment in the high scoring affair between the
• 32:45
  Speaker 26: two NFL talents.
• 32:46
  Speaker 12: That was, you know, unfolding right in front of us.
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  Speaker 26: And it's a game that and I've talked to met Job,
• 32:51
  Speaker 26: you know, thousands of times, and that was a game
• 32:53
  Speaker 26: that that you know, Matt always remembers that Wash three
• 32:56
  Speaker 26: and that was Shab's MVP year when they ended up
• 32:59
  Speaker 26: beating Virginia Tech.
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: Can I can go on and on and on all right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 26: Eight quarterbacks have started for the Colts since the rivers
• 33:07
  Speaker 26: last game, such such names as Carson Wentz, Joe Flacco,
• 33:14
  Speaker 26: Matt Ryan, and Yes Gardner Minshew is in that.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Joe Flacco is is Cleveland on their ross Cleveland right
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: where he is now Flaco. So you have Flacco playing
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Rivers at some point before the season is over.
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  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 26: Now Chador Shador Sanders has replaced. I don't think is
• 33:35
  Speaker 26: gonna last O forty four, but anyway, Chador is now
• 33:38
  Speaker 26: part of the the Browns town. So anyway, uh, Philip
• 33:43
  Speaker 26: Rivers is on the on the practice squad.
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: He can be you know, I have a failing you know.
• 33:49
  Speaker 26: Riley Leonard backup was injured after Daniel Jones tore the achilles,
• 33:54
  Speaker 26: and uh so anyway, they had to they needed somebody.
• 33:57
  Speaker 26: So Rivers thinks and he was coaching. Rivers was coaching
• 34:02
  Speaker 26: the same offense for his son's high school team in Alabama.
• 34:06
  Speaker 26: So he goes, I'm familiar with this isn't not a problem.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: So you know, it's got to be salty though for
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: some guy who's you know, like twenty five and you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: maybe he wasn't a top draft pick, but you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: there's a starting quarterback in Vanderbuild or something like that,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: and you know, and he had a decent college career
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: and he can't catch on anywhere in the pros. And
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: some forty four year old guy. Cash is a big
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: paycheck to play a few games for the Colts, and
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: this guy can't get a sniff of a tryout. I mean,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: if I was one of those guys, I'd get a
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: little edgy about it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 26: Yeah, you know, anyway, it's making the cold winter month
• 34:48
  Speaker 26: of December, at least in your neck of the woods.
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: You know, we get to sixty five here and you
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: can't find orange.
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I see Robert Griffin the Third is still on a
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: TV set somewhere.
• 34:59
  Speaker 21: You know.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: He's younger then Philip Rivers.
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and you make me think.
• 35:03
  Speaker 26: And now I'll have to I'll have to look it
• 35:04
  Speaker 26: up and i'll report back tomorrow.
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: I'll do my homework. I'll look up how old.
• 35:09
  Speaker 26: I mean, I could, I could do it live right now,
• 35:10
  Speaker 26: but I won't do that. But anyway, all right, just
• 35:13
  Speaker 26: all right, just to show you how I work in
• 35:15
  Speaker 26: the morning. Hold on, hey, sirih how old was ya
• 35:19
  Speaker 26: tittle when he played his last game? I found this
• 35:25
  Speaker 26: on the web.
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: Oh great, I kind of thirty seven year old? Yea tittle.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: At the end, he just.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Looked older, looked older. So here was the interesting things.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I saw this story yesterday. I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you got to be kidding.
• 35:40
  Speaker 20: Uh.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: And so this kid who plays quarterback for Indianapolis, and
• 35:45
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• 35:48
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• 35:51
  Speaker 3: this kid Ripping And I'm going to call him that
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: because his name is spelled the same way the Washington
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Redskins quarterback is name. So I look him up.
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: He's not related to him at all? Correct, Like, how
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: is there?
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  Speaker 3: How are there two NFL quarterbacks named Rippin and they're
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: not related to each other?
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  Speaker 12: At r yp I E N Oh good, yeah, good point.
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  Speaker 12: See you doing a little sports on work two.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: It was just curious.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: It was one of those esoteric things that you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: distracts me. It's where it's where half my day goes.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: It's like, gee, why is this guy related to Mark Rippin?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Because I mean, Mark Rippin was a Super Bowl winning
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: it was that Joe Gibbs, you know, quarterback of the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Moment club. It was how many different quarterbacks and how
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: many different NASCAR drivers can this guy win a championship with?
• 36:36
  Speaker 26: And one of your faves and before we go, one
• 36:39
  Speaker 26: of your faves because the baseball winter meetings or you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 26: are in Florida, south of US here in Orlando, Kyle
• 36:46
  Speaker 26: Schwarber agreed to a five year, one hundred and fifty
• 36:49
  Speaker 26: million dollar deal to return of the Phillies. Uh, the
• 36:52
  Speaker 26: number four free agent on the big board.
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: He's gone now.
• 36:55
  Speaker 26: The thirty two year old twelvehere hit fifty six dingers
• 36:57
  Speaker 26: last year and has averaged forty seven home runs a
• 37:00
  Speaker 26: year since arriving in Philly. And then met star closer
• 37:04
  Speaker 26: Edwin dis donned the market. He shook hands on a
• 37:06
  Speaker 26: three year, sixty nine million dollar deal with who else,
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  Speaker 26: the Dodgers, so they you know, continue to stock the companies.
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  Speaker 3: And the joy of the you know, watching the Dodgers
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  Speaker 3: do this is just you know, to look at teams
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: that don't and that give the Dodgers fits. I mean,
• 37:23
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• 37:27
  Speaker 26: And tomorrow I'll give you yeah and uh, and tomorrow
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• 37:32
  Speaker 12: Bob Chesney spoke yesterday before he coaches Jami. You in Oregon.
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  Speaker 12: He's on the West coast, but that's you know, okay, cool. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Day morning, and Johnny has to talk about one of
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  Speaker 3: those things that I know. It's it's a touchy subject,
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily a third rail, but you know, in the
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  Speaker 3: world of cancer treatment, positivity is often the one of
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  Speaker 3: as much, but it is difficult to get. But therefore
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  Speaker 3: sometimes that positivity can lead to a place where we
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  Speaker 3: don't grapple with the idea of loss. And to talk
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  Speaker 3: a little bit about working on that third rail. On
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  Speaker 3: that third rail tightrope is Madison Ferguson, who is a
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  Speaker 3: grief manager here in our flagship city of Charlottesville at
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  Speaker 3: the University of Virginia Medical Center. But Madison, am I
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  Speaker 3: misstating it that in the effort to be positive for
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  Speaker 3: outcomes in cancer treatment, we kind of may push off
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  Speaker 3: the obvious, you know, being able to deal with grief
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  Speaker 3: and process it.
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  Speaker 22: No, I don't think you're wrong in that at all.
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  Speaker 22: Grief can be an uncomfortable subject for everyone, and like
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  Speaker 22: you said, especially around cancer, but really anytime someone's going
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  Speaker 22: through something difficult. We may have a desire to keep
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  Speaker 22: things cheerful and to stay positive because we, you know,
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  Speaker 22: want to help, and it's difficult for us to see
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  Speaker 22: people going through something painful. And I think the challenges
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  Speaker 22: we tend to have sort of a black or white,
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  Speaker 22: all or nothing thinking, whether we either we need to
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  Speaker 22: always be positive or if we're feeling badly, we might
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  Speaker 22: feel guilty that we're not feeling more positive. And so
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  Speaker 22: what I try to talk to my patients about is
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  Speaker 22: finding a middle ground that it's possible to feel both
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  Speaker 22: that we can be hopeful, we can trust our medical providers,
• 46:19
  Speaker 22: we can be grateful for our friends and family, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 22: we can still acknowledge the challenging parts of this experience,
• 46:27
  Speaker 22: and really any difficult experience, we can acknowledge the loss
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  Speaker 22: and allow ourselves time to be sad or feel those
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  Speaker 22: more uncomfortable feelings too.
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  Speaker 3: And I think sometimes you mentioned it from like the
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: outsider's viewpoint, and sometimes those going through treatment because they
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: have the doctors and the nurses. And I remember going
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: through this, I almost felt weird talking to other people,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: and it wasn't because I was like, wow, it's happening
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  Speaker 3: to me, I'm not that guy, but you know, they
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: would feel bad and I was upbeat and positive and
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to actually consult them on I'm feeling
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  Speaker 3: better and not being concerned and get take the worry
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: off their face. Does that happen frequently as well, where
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: the actual cancer patient winds up being more of a
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: therapist to their friends and family.
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  Speaker 22: Yes, I would say that is something I hear often
• 47:22
  Speaker 22: from my patients, is that they don't want to be
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  Speaker 22: a downer or like you said, they know that their
• 47:27
  Speaker 22: friends and family are worried about them, and so they
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  Speaker 22: may feel like they need to sugarcoat things they don't.
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  Speaker 22: They don't want to be the one making people feel
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  Speaker 22: worried or scared. And so that's when I think it's
• 47:39
  Speaker 22: really important to either have you know, an individual therapist
• 47:43
  Speaker 22: where you can be, you know, one hundred percent honest
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  Speaker 22: about how you're feeling, or especially being able to talk
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  Speaker 22: to other cancer patients or cancer survivors. Is this know
• 47:54
  Speaker 22: exactly what you've been through?
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  Speaker 3: Is this commonplace? And one of the reasons we do
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: this segment if you're new to the program is that
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I learned as I was going through treatment that It's
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: not so much the doctors and nurses who are sanctified
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: in what they do to help folks beat this scourge.
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  Speaker 3: But it's all these folks in between. I use the
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: phrase in between infusions. But I know some people are
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: getting different kinds of cancer treatments, but that's just how
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I rationalize it. But is this a common position? I
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: know chaplainries are very common in cancer treatment and hospitals
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: that do cancer treatment. But is this kind of specific
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: grief management position a commonplace one or is UVA unique
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: for having it? And are there resources where people can
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: kind of look for that kind of assistance with these
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: kind of diagnoses.
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  Speaker 22: Sure, I would say like having a grief manager is
• 48:55
  Speaker 22: not commonplace. I would say most cancer centers have social
• 48:59
  Speaker 22: work or chaplains like you mentioned that should be experienced
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  Speaker 22: in dealing with grief and all the other things that
• 49:06
  Speaker 22: come the sort of emotional side of cancer treatment. So
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  Speaker 22: that would be my suggestion. If people are looking for
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  Speaker 22: emotional support, whether that's with grief or you know, family relationships,
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  Speaker 22: anything that's tied into cancer treatment outside of the you know,
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  Speaker 22: the medical side of things, is seeking out chaplains or
• 49:26
  Speaker 22: social workers such as something that every cancer center should have.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: And if the center doesn't have enough of that, you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: or you feel like it's being sufficient, are there resources
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  Speaker 3: where people can go and kind of look for you know,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: can you go on Google and say, you know, hey, Alexa,
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  Speaker 3: find me grief managers or I mean I don't. I'm
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: being glib about it because that's how I that's a
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: defense mechanism. As he's talking to a therapist. He's got
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: to be honest about this stuff. But you know, how
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: do you do it?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah?
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  Speaker 22: Well, I I would say there are sort of the
• 50:01
  Speaker 22: larger organizations like American Cancer Society has a hotline that
• 50:05
  Speaker 22: you can call to help find resources, and then there
• 50:09
  Speaker 22: are lots of sort of disease specific resources. So obviously
• 50:14
  Speaker 22: breast cancer gets a lot of attention and has lots
• 50:16
  Speaker 22: of resources that people know about, like Susan G. Coleman.
• 50:19
  Speaker 22: But I would say with any cancer type, if you
• 50:22
  Speaker 22: want to get more specific into your treatment and getting
• 50:26
  Speaker 22: support with that specific experience, just putting into Google you
• 50:31
  Speaker 22: know your type of cancer, and then you know support
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  Speaker 22: hotline or counseling or support group, and a lot of
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  Speaker 22: cancer types, whether it's leukemia, prostate cancer, all you know
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  Speaker 22: most cancer types have websites and usually you know, hotlines
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  Speaker 3: How does I mean if somebody feels like this is
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: something they want to expel floor more too. As you said,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: not every hospital has one of these, but it looks
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: like it seems like it's an important part of the
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: healing process, not just in cancer and everything. How did
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: you get into this particular milieu.
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  Speaker 22: Well, I ended up at UVA and found out that
• 51:19
  Speaker 22: there was an opening with at the Breast Care Center,
• 51:24
  Speaker 22: and breast cancer is important to me. I have an
• 51:26
  Speaker 22: aunt that's a survivor over a decade now, and I
• 51:31
  Speaker 22: also really am passionate about working with women and women's issues.
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  Speaker 22: So it just felt like a natural fit for me.
• 51:38
  Speaker 22: But it was something I sort of tripped into, but
• 51:41
  Speaker 22: I felt called to it because I have family experience.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, it's the theme of our days. Wednesdays are the
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: days where we recognize people's you know, God given gifts
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: and talents and you know, and the zealous pursuit of
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: them even if you don't know them when you're going
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: through school or anything. So Madison Ferguson, appreciate your testimony
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: on this and I'm glad that you found your calling,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: and bless you for doing it, because it's probably one
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: of the more important things we need to deal with
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: as we go through, you know, any sort of medical treatment, cancer,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: most acutely sometimes. So I hope you have a merry Christmas,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: and I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, and we'll
• 52:20
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  Speaker 22: Thank you you as well.
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