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7-27-26 Hour 1 - Nuggets re-sign Spencer Jones/What's next for the Nuggets/Broncos ramping up to camp · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 4: It is you miss extended time. A lot of things happen,
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  Speaker 4: A lot of things happen. Welcome back, Nelly, congrats Vic
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  Speaker 4: is Uh, we couldn't remember what happened, but Vic said
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  Speaker 4: something about you getting circumcised in France. I think is
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  Speaker 4: that what you did?
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  Speaker 3: You shoulder?
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  Speaker 2: Never been a big fan of Turtle Next anyway, Vic.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so here's the big news. That's how we
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  Speaker 4: start the show. This, Oh my gosh, here's here's what happens.
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  Speaker 4: And we all kind of saw this coming. Once the
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  Speaker 4: Lebron news does go down, and that happened towards the
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  Speaker 4: end of the show on Friday, there are subsequent things
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  Speaker 4: that will happen afterwards. It will become a domino effect
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  Speaker 4: that leads to OKC throwing an offer sheet out there
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  Speaker 4: for Spencer Jones at two years, twelve million dollars. The
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  Speaker 4: first thought when you hear that is, well, six million
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  Speaker 4: dollars a year for a guy who was a prime
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  Speaker 4: rotational player off the bench. For you, that's easy, except
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  Speaker 4: when you're the Nuggets and you have no money and
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  Speaker 4: six million dollars put you into second April, and it
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  Speaker 4: becomes now, all of a sudden, a decision. I was
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  Speaker 4: getting really nervous towards the end of last night because
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  Speaker 4: that deadline was coming, and I go, why is he
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  Speaker 4: sending pictures of himself on social media in a OKAC uniform?
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  Speaker 4: Was he informed that they are not matching the contract?
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  Speaker 4: But Spencer Jones is back? The question now is what happens?
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  Speaker 4: Because we know they aren't staying a second Apron team
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  Speaker 4: and they still have the Peyton Watson thing out there, So.
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  Speaker 5: Now what Well, first of all, I found it interesting
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  Speaker 5: that Spencer actually took part in the selling of the contract,
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  Speaker 5: right like, he gets signed by OKAC and then he
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  Speaker 5: throws out on social media his picture of himself in
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  Speaker 5: an OKAC uniform.
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  Speaker 4: I gonna be honest, that kind of bothered me.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you because
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  Speaker 5: the progression wasn't over yet. No, it wasn't over yet,
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  Speaker 5: but this was I think his way of letting people know, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: it's time for the Nuggets to come to the table.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not kidding. I maybe it's something wrong with me,
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  Speaker 4: but I that's exactly what I thought. Vic. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: don't do that. The Nuggets might still bring it back
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  Speaker 4: unless and then I thought to myself, does he know
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  Speaker 4: the Nuggets aren't matching it and that's why he's doing it?
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  Speaker 5: I am pleasantly surprised that the Nuggets match that deal?
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  Speaker 3: Me too.
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  Speaker 5: I'm also wishing to play Sam Presty further up the
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  Speaker 5: hate list that we have developed here.
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  Speaker 3: Bring it on. Bring that list.
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  Speaker 4: I used to it, not kill list.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, whatever that list is, we already had him
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  Speaker 5: on there for he blamed social media for Shae Giljess
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  Speaker 5: Alexander and all that Oklahoma City demise.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Uh so, now Sam Presty has now. Guys, he stuck
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  Speaker 5: it to the Nuggets here, stuck it to him in
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  Speaker 5: a tough spot. He put the Nuggets in a tough spot.
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  Speaker 5: It tells me two things, Sam Sam Presty's ruthless Number
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  Speaker 5: one and number two. Clearly Spencer Jones is in the
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  Speaker 5: Nuggets plans. Now someone is not going to be in
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  Speaker 5: those plans someone because they are currently sixty eight million
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  Speaker 5: dollars into the tax. If they sign Peyton Watson to
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  Speaker 5: a deal that they both like, that number is going
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  Speaker 5: to triple.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know where they go from.
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  Speaker 5: There outside of trading a big contract player. But it's
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  Speaker 5: less about tax than it is flexibility. At this point,
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  Speaker 5: you're in the second Apron. You can't do like any
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  Speaker 5: roster moves. Wow, it's more in my opinion about tax too.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a lot of money you're spending. Well, sure,
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  Speaker 5: the only team in the second Apron right now, they're
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  Speaker 5: the only team paying that kind of luxury tax. They're
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  Speaker 5: going into the season. It looks like unless a deal
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  Speaker 5: is made before the season. As I mentioned before, they
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  Speaker 5: can go all the way through the first three months
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  Speaker 5: fine in the second Apron, but by the trade deadline
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  Speaker 5: they can unhand themselves of a contract or two if
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  Speaker 5: they wish to, or they could do before. But this,
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  Speaker 5: as much as we know, guys, Spencer Jones is in
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  Speaker 5: their plans. They want him on the team, they want
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  Speaker 5: him in the roster. He's vital to their what they
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  Speaker 5: see is their success. Too many forwards on this team.
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  Speaker 5: One of these forwards. Take a look at the roster
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  Speaker 5: right now, someone's gonna go and I wonder if it's
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Gordon.
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  Speaker 3: Ye wow, you know what, God Lee.
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  Speaker 6: As much as it pains me to say that, Vic,
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  Speaker 6: because I love AG love Aaron Gordon love, I just
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  Speaker 6: can't trust his body And I don't know what to
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  Speaker 6: do about it because if he's out, Spencer Jones is
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  Speaker 6: not your starting power forward, is he? There's no way
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  Speaker 6: he's an off the bench guy, right.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea, dude, I mean, do you swing?
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  Speaker 3: Do you swing? Peyton and Cam at the forward spot?
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  Speaker 3: What do you do again?
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  Speaker 5: And it's not something that has to happen right away.
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  Speaker 5: They can go into the season. They can take a
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  Speaker 5: look at it. Most they can look at what they
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  Speaker 5: have and say, okay.
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  Speaker 3: What's working, what's not working. The trouble is.
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  Speaker 5: What value do you get back for a player if
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  Speaker 5: he can't play right. If he's playing and playing well,
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  Speaker 5: the value escalates.
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  Speaker 3: If he can't play then what Or if God forbid
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  Speaker 3: he gets hurt then what? So it's it's it's a chance.
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  Speaker 3: But guys, look.
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  Speaker 5: At the roster, look at look at the glut of
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  Speaker 5: Fords on this roster.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just go through it real quick.
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  Speaker 5: Shall were twelve players currently assigned to the Nuggets roster
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  Speaker 5: contracted players. I'm not including two way player kJ Simpson.
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Gordon is one forward. Spencer Jones is another, Ford
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  Speaker 5: playing the same position. Uh Doron Holmes, third Ford, Zeke
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  Speaker 5: Naji four, uh the rookie Brazil.
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  Speaker 3: Five Cam.
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  Speaker 5: I would consider Cam more of a shooting guards small.
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  Speaker 3: You want him to swing? Yeah, right, swinger. He's a swinger.
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  Speaker 5: And see what what do we do with Peyton Watson?
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  Speaker 3: Is he a swinger to or is he on that list?
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  Speaker 3: He's a forward?
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  Speaker 4: I think no, he's a forward.
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  Speaker 3: I'll put him on.
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  Speaker 5: There's more of a backup center.
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  Speaker 3: But he's also three four five. That's seven guys. Seven
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  Speaker 3: guys at that position.
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  Speaker 5: They need guards.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they need guards.
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  Speaker 5: I mean there's no come on, there's no way they
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  Speaker 5: can go into the season without picking up another guard.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: The guards are Christian Jamal Tias Strather.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I I threw out this idea and I got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of pushback from people in the appetizer. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what the the inner workings in the locker
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  Speaker 4: room were at this time. Vic, you would know better
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  Speaker 4: than me. I have no problem bringing Westbrook back minimum deal.
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  Speaker 3: But does he want to come back?
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  Speaker 4: Well that that I don't know, but I'm just saying hypothetically.
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  Speaker 4: I said I would take Russell Westbrook back for two reasons.
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  Speaker 4: He can handle the ball. For a guy who's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be making a minimum contract, he can get you over
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  Speaker 4: ten points a night off the bench. That seems pretty valuable.
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  Speaker 4: And he's a pleet pole. And I kind of like
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  Speaker 4: having one of those on my team. I feel like
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  Speaker 4: you needed that last year and you didn't have it.
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  Speaker 4: But a whole bunch of people are like, oh god,
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  Speaker 4: if we're going to the Westbrook well, and I'm here
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  Speaker 4: to tell you guys, there's.
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  Speaker 3: Really no other well to go to go put your
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  Speaker 3: bucket down.
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  Speaker 4: There's there's a real beggars choosers thing going on right
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  Speaker 4: now with the Denver Nuggets, and you need to fill
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  Speaker 4: out your roster.
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  Speaker 6: Let's say you're like, you look at that well, You're like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 6: I don't I need water. I don't want to put
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  Speaker 6: my bucket done that well. Well, that's the only one
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  Speaker 6: of the properties. It's Saratoga, right. Sorry, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what to tell you, I'll turn it over twenty times
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  Speaker 6: trying to pass into I already care.
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  Speaker 5: And as far as the Spencer Jones transaction in the
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  Speaker 5: way it went down, the Nuggets did not thing wrong there, guys.
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  Speaker 5: Let me let me establish something, all right. The Nuggets
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  Speaker 5: did exactly what they intended to do. They were going
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  Speaker 5: to let the market decide the price tag for Spencer Jones.
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  Speaker 3: All right, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, They basically told him go let the market decided. Now,
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  Speaker 5: what came out of left field is that one of
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  Speaker 5: their division rivals decided to.
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  Speaker 3: Do it on a weekend.
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  Speaker 6: What was your what was your first reaction, Vick when
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  Speaker 6: when you saw it was okay?
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  Speaker 3: See cold blooded?
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  Speaker 6: I I well, I didn't say that. I had a
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  Speaker 6: couple of other words that are a little bit more colorful.
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  Speaker 4: Say this, it's pretty smart to them that you put
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  Speaker 4: your No matter what, let's say that the Nuggets don't
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  Speaker 4: match it. You get a guy who's a rotational player.
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  Speaker 4: And I know, like, I don't know what Spencer Jones
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  Speaker 4: is like at his peak, but he's a good defender
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  Speaker 4: who plays hard and as weird as it looks his shot,
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  Speaker 4: he works.
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  Speaker 5: And it also tells me listen, if Oklahoma City values
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  Speaker 5: him and sees the good in him and what he
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  Speaker 5: can do, what does it say about the player?
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  Speaker 3: Sure?
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  Speaker 5: All right, this isn't Memphis making a bid. This is
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  Speaker 5: Oklahoma City exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 3: They know what they're doing. A contender. Contender wants one
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  Speaker 3: of your.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, Yes, and I'll give Spencer Jones this credit. If
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  Speaker 4: you guys remember a couple of months ago he sent
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  Speaker 4: out like one of those LinkedIn posts, and he was
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  Speaker 4: talking about when they had to convert his contract to
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  Speaker 4: it from a two way to a full time NBA
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  Speaker 4: guarantee contract. Right. The Nuggets at that time offered him,
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  Speaker 4: if I remember right, two years four million dollars, so
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  Speaker 4: two million a year, and he turned it down because
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  Speaker 4: he wanted to bet on himself for this exact reason.
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  Speaker 4: And he turned two million dollars a year into four
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, four extra million dollars a year. Good for him, man,
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: The Nuggets could have signed him up earlier in the season.
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  Speaker 3: They tried, but he bet on himself, I know, but
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  Speaker 3: they could have.
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  Speaker 5: I guess they could have signed him for another who knows,
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  Speaker 5: maybe they meet halfway. Yeah, if the Nuggets say, hey,
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  Speaker 5: how about we give you two years eight million right
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  Speaker 5: four per? Two years ten million five per?
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  Speaker 6: But this is the chance you take, Vic when when
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  Speaker 6: a guy goes or I agree with you and you
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  Speaker 6: know what, Like you said, nobody's done anything wrong here.
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking about Peyton Watson. I've got I've got
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  Speaker 6: further thoughts on the further we get with Watson.
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  Speaker 3: You want them now?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I I you need to bring that up because
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking at this glut of fords. Right, So you're
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  Speaker 5: paying guys good money. You're paying guys like ag big money.
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  Speaker 5: You're you're you're gonna pay Peyton Watson. I assume good money.
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  Speaker 5: Now you're paying Spencer Jones good money.
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  Speaker 3: These guys have to play. They're not gonna sit. They
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  Speaker 3: have to play. So who's not going to play here?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have the people on that list.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm looking at the forwards. Who's sitting?
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  Speaker 5: Oh you know who I forgot and he's not he's
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  Speaker 5: a swing is the guy that they got from the
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  Speaker 5: euro League. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put him on
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  Speaker 5: the he's a six to seven player. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 5: he's a power forward, mo Over small forward, but he's
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  Speaker 5: a forward. So that's another guy on that list.
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  Speaker 6: So somebody's somebody's going some he has to go somebody's way.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's no Yeah, it may be Zeke in
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  Speaker 5: a dump when you add a draft pick.
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  Speaker 3: It may bee Did you put homes on that list,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, Yeah, he's under the list.
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  Speaker 5: It may be Deron Holmes if there's a team out
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  Speaker 5: there that sees promising him, or maybe the Nuggets see
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  Speaker 5: enough they didn't need to blame in summer league. But
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  Speaker 5: there's no way they go into the regular season and
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  Speaker 5: play games with eight forwards.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I I know one thing. I know they've they've
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  Speaker 4: tried with Zeke and there's it feels to me one
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  Speaker 4: thing holding this up is that they don't want this
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  Speaker 4: to be another one of those we are paying with
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  Speaker 4: capital to somebody. I don't think they want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: But I think everybody, including Zeke, sees the riding on
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  Speaker 4: the wall that like with all of those people here,
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  Speaker 4: that's a direct sort of message that we don't think
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  Speaker 4: you're the guy to fill in this year, and at
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  Speaker 4: this point you're just gonna wipe your hands and be
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  Speaker 4: like this is over. This experiment's done.
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  Speaker 6: With God as my witness. When Zeke naj He finally
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  Speaker 6: leaves Denver, Colorado for the last time, I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: look back on him as any player that's ever come
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  Speaker 6: through this town on any team. He is going to
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  Speaker 6: be by far my biggest Well who the hell was
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  Speaker 6: that guy?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, he'll be.
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  Speaker 6: He'll be by far the biggest man. That felt like
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  Speaker 6: a waste of eight years, you know.
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  Speaker 3: What I mean. It's like I don't know what he is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who he is.
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  Speaker 6: I don't I don't know, and he's going to ride
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  Speaker 6: off into the sunset eventually via a trade or whatever
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  Speaker 6: the case may be. And I'm gonna go I was
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  Speaker 6: nearly a decade of I don't know what the hell's
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  Speaker 6: going on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, just to set this up, Mark stein has been
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  Speaker 4: all over this Peyton Watson stuff. He's the one that
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  Speaker 4: said that the Bucks are in play and the Hawks
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  Speaker 4: are in playing all these different things.
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  Speaker 3: Then make it.
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  Speaker 4: Then make an offer you so, Steiner Port Denver's initial
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  Speaker 4: contract offers were believed to be in the four year,
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  Speaker 4: seventy million dollar range for Peyton Watson, which if he
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  Speaker 4: wanted Christian Brown money that is well beneath Christian Brown,
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  Speaker 4: so they could be in the middle of just trying
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  Speaker 4: to figure that out. So we can get more into
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  Speaker 4: this in just a second, three out, three, nine to two,
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  Speaker 4: five back after this. All right, we're gonna stay on
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  Speaker 4: the nuggets. Can I just mention one thing real quick
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  Speaker 4: before we get back into it. Though. Jacob Miserowski throws
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  Speaker 4: a ball really hard. Did you guys see him strike
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  Speaker 4: out eleven of the first twelve batters against Yes, good
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  Speaker 4: and it took one cold carry guy. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if it's a lucky swing, good swing whenever you want
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  Speaker 4: to call it, opposite field homer to break up a
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  Speaker 4: perfect game. But that guy is a freak, dude.
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't it feel like he's he doesn't it feel like
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  Speaker 6: that's a close your eyes and swing hard things whole
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  Speaker 6: and hope you connect with the ball because when you
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  Speaker 6: watch I've seen those videos Vic behind the plate about
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  Speaker 6: what ae hundred mile hour fastball looks like coming at you,
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  Speaker 6: and it is It is number one, terrifying, but number two,
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  Speaker 6: it looks unhittable. It just it explodes into the strike
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  Speaker 6: zone and you're way behind with your bat.
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  Speaker 3: It's just stupid.
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  Speaker 5: He threw a pitch one oh four point seven. You're
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  Speaker 5: one hundred and five miles per hour.
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  Speaker 4: And I can't describe this enough to people, like the
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  Speaker 4: difference between somebody throwing ninety five in one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: five is so mind bogglingly mind bogglingly quick. It would
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  Speaker 4: be the only way you can describe it is if
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  Speaker 4: you've ever done like a max out on like a bench.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine you're at your max right, so you're trying to
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  Speaker 4: get one rep up of whatever the weight is.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: And you're struggling.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: You now pretend I added fives on both sides. You
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: hold five five pounds in your hand. It's nothing, but
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: if you it to what your max is, it feels
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: like the entire way of the world is on you.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: That's what one hundred and five miles an hour to
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: play it is. So anyway, guy's a freak, I mean
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: he a freak.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Face Cold Carrot, Cold Carrig took him. It's the fastest
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: pitch a Colorado Rocky has ever hit for a home run.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Cold Carrig in the fifth hit a one hundred two
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: mile an hour pitch into the seats.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: Opposite feels yeah, oppo, so he couldn't get around to that. Ma,
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: you can't get around on it unless you're just swinging
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: before he releases the friggin ball.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Right, it's just insane.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: Hey, Victim, I will say this to it and watch
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: to give those those videos. The catcher has a difficult
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: time because if the ball's not located exactly where he
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: thinks it's supposed to be located, the amount of time
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: that you have to actually try to catch the baseball
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: is it's hard, Yeah, dude, it's it's it's sick of it.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: So anyway, shout up to that guy. That guy's got
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: a one five v R. Nobody else's sub two in
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: the MLB this year. But Vic, you said you had
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: a night D on the Nuggets offseason.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I know what's gonna happen here.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: And this is just me speculating and giving a little
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: bit of based on what I see and what I've
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: heard and what I know. All right, Clearly, the Denver
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Nuggets are in one salary tax luxury tax, and they're
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: going to be deeper into one if they come to
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: terms with Peyton Watson. The question now is who do
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: they keep for a high salary. They can't come to
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: terms with Peyton Watson. Otherwise they already would have correct,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: like correct, both sides agreed on a number, they'd already
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: come to terms by now.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's part of his offseason though, He's like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: no matter what, I'm going to wait till I get
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: an offer from another team.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe just to see there's a disconnect between the
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: nuggets of Peyton Watson. Is that is that a fair
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: assessment to make here or being dramatic?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: No, I think that's I think it's fair. But I've
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: got I've got I want you to.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Finish your thought on this, because I've been thinking about
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: this Wat thing.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: So if there's a disconnect there because they can't can't,
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: they can't come to terms on a number, and they're
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: waiting for the market to dictate. The markets not dictating yet.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: No one.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: No one has made a formal offer. Other teams would
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: like assign and trade and all that. I think at
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, it comes down to do you
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: trade a guy that is already under contract, that's the
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: core of your team that is going to start no
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: matter what, and that's Aaron Gordon, Or do you trade
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: a guy who had a great month, a guy who
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: could be a potential star in this league who you
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: can't come to terms with right now. I think they're
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: gonna trade Peyton Watson.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: They could, but let me look, here's part of the
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: equation though, Brett, all right, finish your thought.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I've got real good thoughts on this.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Why why why do that?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you why.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Well, right now, there's sixty eight million in the tacks,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: and if you sign him to a contract that The
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: trouble is, I'm I'm not sure the machinations of the
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: CBA how that would work. So if you do a
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: sign in trade while you're in the luxury tax, there's
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: certain things you're restricted of doing. It's bringing them back
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: more salary as one of them.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: So you're not going to bring back more salary.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: If you're training for a player, it's his rookie contract.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, how many players would be able to match
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: that that you would want?
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Well, you wouldn't get just a player, You get a
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: player and a draft pick.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, go ahead, motion fun for the most thoughts.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Much like the Spencer Jones situation, nobody here is doing
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: anything wrong. The Nuggets did their qualifying offer and Peyton
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Watson wants a bigger contract, whether it's with the Nuggets
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: or somebody else. But Vic, like you just said, I'm
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: getting the feeling that if he doesn't get the number
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: that he wants, then he's going to have his feelings hurt.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: I believe hold on because if I don't get Christian
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: Brown money, what you don't value me as much as
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: you value you know that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Kind of thing.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: And I'm thinking to myself, well, Brown helped you win
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: a championship, bro, and he played a lot of minutes.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: He had a good month.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: That being said, I don't I'm not saying he's gonna
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: be a malcontent, but the Nuggets aren't doing anything wrong here.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: And I would go back to Peyton Watson and say this, okay, kid,
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: you want twenty five per I get it, but hey,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: we all want twenty five per brat he went twenty
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: five per sure, okay, but ain't nobody offering you twenty
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: five per The market dictates what you are as a player.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: The market will dictate it. So I don't give a crap.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: If you've got the Milwaukee Bucks sniffing around the Peyton
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: Watson doghouse, I don't give a crap. If you got
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: other the Clippers sniffing around Peyton Wats, all these sniffers,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: all sniffing like a bloodhound sniff, sniff, sniff. I don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: care if you sniffing. Either put your contract on the
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: table or shut up.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: If it comes to a sign and trade, that's a
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Nuggets decision, that's not anything else. But if Pee Watt
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: thinks he he's worth twenty five per well, then go
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: secure the bag from somebody and see if the Nuggets match.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It well to your point. The end of story.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: So everything is playing out the way the market is
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: supposed to make it play out. But I have the
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: feeling that if he doesn't get it, he's going to
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: be hurt. There are going to be hurt feelings and
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Rich Paul and everybody else at Clutch is going to
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: be but hurt about well.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: And that's what I'm trying to get at here. He's
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: not going to play under the qualifying offer. That could
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: be just absolutely devastating for that would be.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Bad business for the Nuggets too. So starting to go if.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: You can't, if you can't make him happy, and you
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: know when he switched agents, that was sort of the
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: first sign of something happening here.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Remember he switched agents.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: I love the kid, I love everything about him, but
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: it's entirely a business. And at this point there's some
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: guys that clearly the Nuggets have in their plans.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Spencer Jones is one of them.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Even six million years Spencer Jones, they said, we're gonna
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: match up we you are in our vision, You're in
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: our plans. I don't think the Nuggets want to digest
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: a contract of that size for Peyton Watson. I just
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: think I think they're gonna trade him.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: If if that's the case, If they do trade Peyton Watson,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's really with where they're at right now,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: the only wrong thing they can do. I just I
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: don't think there's any good that comes out of this,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: because if you trade Peyton Watson, you're just gonna look
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: for another guy that hopefully is like a Peyton Watson
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: in the sense of, so what.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Is your what is your solution?
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Then if you don't, my solution has been the same
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: thing the whole time. Tell me it's me, it's you
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: signed Peyton Watson, And look, the dust is going to
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: settle here. If he doesn't like the offer, that the
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Nuggets give him on the table. Then I think the
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Nuggets are doing what they should be doing right now,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: which is, hey, you're open to the entire floor right now.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: If if somebody comes up and says, I'll give you
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: thirty a year, then we'll have a discussion about it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I would say, Peyton, but this is me being petty.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: Now bright, you're I'd say you want thirty per Dial one,
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: eight hundred Milwaukee and see if they offer.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, you have you have teams that
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: are saying I'm interested in you. Then let's see what
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: offer they're gonna put on the table and we'll match
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: it or not. But if you don't like the deal
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: that we have and nobody else offers you a deal,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: there's your market. So I would just stick to the
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: guns on that part. And then when it comes to
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: whatever the number is, whether it's what is that the
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: four years seventy million is at like seventeen eighteen million
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: dollars a year, Whether it's that or whether it's twenty
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: five a year, I'll go next step down the line.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Cam Johnson, Aaron Gordon, somebody, sorry, you gotta go because
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: here's here's what he has over all of them. Youth defense, length, length,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: and athleticism that this team desperately needs. And as much
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: as I like the other guys on the team, the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: youth part is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: because you can.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Grow with it. So who are you letting go a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Cam Johnson?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: One of them?
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Okay? So AG or Cam Johnson is your guy that
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: you're going to trade.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right, And if you want to slide p Watt
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: right into the Cam Johnson role, then then there you go.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I don't do it to me is like paid only
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: thing to do.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: AG and Peyton Watson are entirely different players, entirely players.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's not.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: It's talking about trading Cam and putting P Wat right
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: into that slot or AG.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: But but here's the thing. I know, they're entirely different players.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I would rather let go of the the AG part
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: for health purposes only because I can't trust that anymore,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: and keep the young guy.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Let's say you trade Cam. What's cam salary?
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: What's it's like? Twenty two?
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Twenty two, twenty two? Okay, let's say you trade Cam
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: and you tell Peyton. You're gonna give him a contract
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: that's worth twenty to twenty two a year. Still gotta
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: do something else. You're still in the second apron.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Well, then it becomes and what then it becomes. I
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: gotta bite the bullet in one of the second round picks.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: I acquired somewhere for somebody to be got to be
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: attached to Z. That's the next thing.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: That's gonna be a tough if you can't get it
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: done though. Sometimes Hell, it took you two or three
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: to get rid of Reggie Reggie Jackson. Yeah, I get it, guys.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you there's more to it than this. You
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: can't roll into the year thinking you could just unload
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: a contract. Teams know you're trying to unload a contract.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: They're gonna hold you hostage, for sure.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: At the same at the same hostage, at the same time.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: If we're to believe Stein, if we're to believe Stein,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: and there are somewhere right now the offer four at
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: seventy and the seventeen eighteen million.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Per category.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: For a twenty three year old kid with one great
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: month but an unbelievable amount of potential, that sounds pretty
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: good to me. That sounds pretty It sounds to me.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: That sounds right in the ballpark, you know. And if
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: you're not happy with that, you know what, then you
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: can't be made happy.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: So Jalen Duran, according to this Stein article, is in
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: the same boat that Peyton Watson is. He wants more money.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: He hasn't been offered the money he wants. He's thinking
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: about playing his final year in the qualifying offer, which.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Is substantially lower than what he's worth.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Watson is, actually, according to Stein, thinking about doing exactly that,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: playing this season on that six point five and then
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: becoming an unrestricted free agent after the season at a
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: major risk on his part, major gamble, the injury risk.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: It would be a major if you're the Nugget Nugets too.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, if you're the Nuggets, do you
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: want a player on your roster who man the moment
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: something goes awry health wise, it's gonna shut it down.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Well, and beyond that, just letting somebody get to what
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: unrestricted free agency like this is. This was the discussion
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: that we had about MPG when he signed his deal.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Why don't you wait? Well, if you waited and that
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: following year, he's in unrestricted free agency. You're now battling
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: with the rest of the league. And if you don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: think at the time, a Lakers team that watched what
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: he did against them repeatedly would have thrown a bag
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: at him to be like, you want to play with
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Lebron James. They would have. And now all of a sudden,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: you aren't. Just like, well, I get to match the offer,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: he gets to choose whether he wants to stay or not.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: And he would make and he's gonna have hurt feelings
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: and he's definitely going to be gone.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: I need to make just one observation that seems so simple.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Maybe I'm not thinking deeply enough here, but I need
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: somebody to answer this question. He's been hanging around with
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Michael Porter Junior a lot, and I know Brooklyn has
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: loads of money still available. If he's worth twenty five million,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: and listen, you're worth whatever the market says you're worth. Yep,
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: how come Brooklyn or some other team hasn't made him
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: an offer?
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Why Why is it that we're sitting here approaching August
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: and no team has made him an offer yet?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Why is that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Which to stop him? I mean, just made an offer
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: for a guy they wanted. What's to stop another team
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: out there? I mean, they know the financial ramifications for Denver.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: They could do the same thing Oklahoma City did. They
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: could they could speed up the process for Denver and
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: put them in a bind. So let me ask you again,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: there are twenty nine other teams out there. Why hasn't
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: a team made Peyton Watson a qualifying offer?
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Because they don't want to pay him what he's asking for.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: That's if we're going.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: To go duck walk like a duck, quack like a duck,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: lay eggs like a duck.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: If that's where we're going to go. I think.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: Olkham's razor here that the simplest answer is probably the
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: likely one. They don't think he's worth twenty five million
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: dollars speaks and the story to.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Me, it's one thing if you're getting offers left and right,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: but you haven't had.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: One yet, not one? Why why?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I think everybody across the league is as confused as
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: we are over what the proper value is. Because here's
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: the problem.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: I think I think we know the value. The league
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: right now is telling you what the value is. The
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: league is telling you what your value have Okay, but
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: have the Nuggets you know what, He's in the open market.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Essentially, he's in the open market.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: Have the Nuggets made it clear that if he signs
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: with somebody else, they will match?
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Have they made that clear?
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Most if he met if other teams are dumb, If
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: a team comes in and offers him twenty four million
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: a year and the Nuggets match, they'll be into the
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: tax for two hundred million dollars. Yeah, teams know what's
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: going to happen here. So this essentially that should make it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Easier for teams to make offers correct right or wrong. Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: And if you're going to make an RFA offer on somebody,
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: pay even a little bit more than you normally would
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: be if you really want the players.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: All of that is true. But what I'm getting at
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: is the thing that is confusing about Peyton Watson. There
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: is there's three worlds that exist, and I don't think
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of guys get this. One world is if
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: you pay let's say, twenty five million dollars a year
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: for p Watt, true or false? Is there a world
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: that exists where he is supremely underpaid for what he
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: could bring to your rosters? Is there a world that
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: exists where he is supremely overpaid for what he brings
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: to your rost? Yet is there a world where he's
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: paid exactly what he should like? And I think part
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: of it is you want to believe with wide eyes
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: that what you saw in January where he was kind
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: of the guy on the roster with Jamal Murray putting
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: up twenty three points a night, knocking down threes, being
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: this big time offensive and defensive player, that that is
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: exactly the player that he's going to be forever. But
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: it's such a I'm all sample that it's like, does
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: that justify me throwing this kind of cash figure out there?
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: You know what, if I'm the Nuggets and I hate
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: to do this because you don't want a strong arm
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: one of your own players, you'll mess with the culture.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: But in the back of my mind, here's what I'd
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: be thinking.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: All Right, tell you.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: What season starts here in a couple months, Go get
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: you an offer. We'll do a sign and trade. Come
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: back to us when you get that offer. We're gonna
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: offer you this much. If you don't want this much,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: what's on the table. Then when the season starts, you're
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: gonna play for six or five visions qualifying.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: That's such a very good point because this is going
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: to get to a point.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Right now, everything is still okay, you know, cool, cool cool.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Let see if you get an offer, Donna, there's going
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: to come a time when you've got to really buckle down.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: There's gonna come a time when you've got to really
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: play hardball with the player because you've got to know
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: your options. You've got to know what the situation is.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: You've got to know where his head is. Ass and
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: becomes the time when you say, look, kid, take it
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: or find a team we'll sign and trade.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Take it or leave it. I mean, I don't know
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: what else to tell again.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Can I play Devil's Advocate?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Devil, go ahead, sure, Satan.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I mean my horns. If I'm Payton Watson Metal, I
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: think there's a really good chance they aren't paying me
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: what I'm asking, whatever that number might be, because they
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: can't afford it. And that's not a good enough reason
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: for me to sign your contract. Like if the Nuggets
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: weren't in any financial trouble, if they had if they
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: were the Brooklyn Nets, they had money to play with.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Are they hemming and hauling over this contract or not.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Of course not. It's a different then.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: If I'm Peyton Watson, I'm like, it's not my fault.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: You paid the wrong guy's money.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Okay, let me turn this around. Brooklyn's got the money.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Why aren't they paying for it?
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: See all of this, I don't know.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I don't see you make that claim.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: There are right now seven teams in the NBA that
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: could afford to sign him without going into the second apron.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Why aren't they signing him?
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I think it speaks volumes. No.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I think you don't know you know why, because they
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: don't think he's worth that money.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Could be Yeah, well what do you mean could be?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Well you also just said, I mean it could be.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: If you think somebody's worth that, you're gonna pay for it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, Yes, I agree. I don't know
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: what the hang up is. I don't understand how there
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: can be four teams interested in the services of Peyton
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Watson and nobody makes an offer though. I don't know
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: if this is a game of chicken and they're waiting
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: for somebody to blink first.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: You just found a GM in Oklahoma City that think
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Spencer Jones is worth two years twelve million.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Risking twelve million dollars over two years isn't the same
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: as one hundred million dollars over four.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. But Brooklyn is thirty million
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: under the cap.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I hang on, hang on, you sound like you're arguing
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: with me when I'm telling you I agree with you
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: on this. All I'm saying is, if the Nuggets weren't
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: in financial trouble, would they be hemming and hauling about
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the contract? I don't think they would be, And I
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: think that's also something weird.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: I think if you were there, if they were a
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: smart franchise, they would be.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I f you're prudent, and I think I don't think
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: on some of these other contracts that's true. And so
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: so I think a prudent a prudent organization says, here's
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: what we think your value is. Well come because you
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: can't afford to play these games anymore. I think they've
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: already overpaid on a few contracts on this roster.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: This caution is clear. Yeah, that's clear. So we'll get
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: back to this in a little bit. Three oh three,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: five oh four O nine two five back after.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: This never knew, never knew.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Hey, this is baby Jamal Caylee's favorite song.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. She dance in to this.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: She might be going to school right now. If you are,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: baby Jamal Calee, bump.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: It, my baby girl, bump it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Turn it up for my baby daughter, my beautiful baby girl.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: At the bottle house.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I hey, Vic, I say this every time this pops up,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: every time. I love the Jonas brothers. I think they're
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: fantasy great.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: They're talented. Hell. I even like Joe Jonas in uh
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: in Midway. I thought he was at my brother's studio.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: How was it? Good kids, good cases kid. The problem
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: is that every time you sing, do that?
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Do your song again, you little dear little thing, big
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: sing do it?
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Do it? I gotta get it. The only words I know, Well.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: You sound like somebody's grab You sound like somebody is
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: grabbing the coons.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Every time.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: You got like some very himp thing going on.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all I can do is bes it's like you
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: got a big, big set of pliers on you.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: I still I will laugh anytime in the Little Dingy
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the s n L sketch comes up, or it's the
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Very Good Talk Show at Jimmy Fallon and Justin Timberlakes
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: his brother, Well.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: He plays rock, he plays rock, but god, he's freaking great.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was fantastic. No, No, I don't fantastic.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: We should do a show. Look, last week we made
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: up fick languages on the air like we were five
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: year olds. Maybe we just do a whole segment where
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: we all talk like Barry Gibb.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Coming ups, pull out of a cap.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Turns out those were not made up languages.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: I got a couple of voicemails from people speaking those languages.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Touchdown, I would do that.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Do you realize that starting this Friday, we're going to
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: be in that heat and humidity. I was out playing
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: golf yesterday, guys that I was like seeing stars.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: It's it's oppressive. It's oppressive heat.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, I felt like I was living in Saint
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Louis yesterday.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: It was humid.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: The heat index was out of control.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Speaking of football, uh, I believe this upcoming Sunday is
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: our final Sunday of the year with no football anymore.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: I think that's it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because then August sixth is the Hall of Fame
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: game and we're off and running.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: First of all, I saw a video of Jerry Judy
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: over the weekend Cleveland Brown. Jerry Judy has done I
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: don't know. Jerry Judy has not been the wisest when
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: it comes to decision making at times. That's how I'll
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: put it. Do you see what happened? So he was
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: on TikTok live or some social media thing live, and
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: the comment section asked him, who do you want to
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: start at quarterback? And he's just he didn't say anything.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: He just kept holding up four Shan Watson's number. And
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand why. People like, why as a
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: player would you even voice that opinion? Why not just
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: ignore that one? Why would you put some sort of
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: rift like what if Shador does start again? And I
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: don't know if he will or not. And it feels
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: like the Chador story is kind of like died down
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: from where it was last year. Remember every day this
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: point in the calendar, turn on one of these talking
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: head shows and they spend twenty minutes talking about is
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Shador gonna play or not? But I don't know what
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Cleveland's going to do between Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: One thing I do know is that when camp Erroll's
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: around for the Broncos on Friday and you get that
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: first day. Are you going to be panicked at all
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: in watching bo Nicks? Do you think the ankle thing
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: is gonna be something that gauges like a huge portion
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: of your interest, because obviously in Kansas City it's a
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: big story with Patrick Mahomes.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Sure, but he's he's running around just fine.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: I think what I'm going to do isn't gonna look
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: at his look at him, and then I'm gonna try
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: to forget about it like that. He's you know, he's
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: back to normal. That's what they want. That's what they
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: want you to believe. Now, if you want me to
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: get out there vic with some sort of a telescope
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: and you know, scout the movements of his head, I'm
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: not doing that kind of crap. He says he's good
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: to go, then then be good to go.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: That's it. I'm just good. It's gonna put it, put
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: it right out of my head.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: I'm not worried about it one bit unless he suffers
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: another ankle injury, to which I will then go full
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: oh my god, it's chronic mode.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, Well, wasn't that the dispute too, that somebody
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: said he did.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: He said, it's not chronic. He fired back, right because
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: somebody I think somebody is almost basically it was predisposed.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Oh that's right.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: So it was Peyton that said it was predisposed, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: then Nick's pushed back and said, no.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: It's not predisposed.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody wants to be labeled that, right, So he's
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: going to do whatever he can to avoid any such leads.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: Well, before you get the bag, Yeah, avoid everything until
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: you get the bag.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I just you know what, I've been on this since
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: the beginning, and nothing is going to change my mind
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: unless it's what Vic says. I am unconcerned about his ankle.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I am unconcerned that. Well, he's had these injuries dating
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: back to high school. Yeah, and he's missed like five
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: games his entire life. Like this isn't If this was
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: something like he missed two full seasons when he was
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: at Auburn and Oregon and now it's an issue again,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: then maybe. But you go back and look at the starts.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: He's barely missed any starts since high school, barely a
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: few handful here and there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: I mean I'd be much more concerned. About Michael Pennick.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: What confuses me is Patrick Mahomes is one hundred percent
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: cleared to go for camp and and he did this early,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: like a month ago at OTA's or his video of it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: But anytime do you guys remember this? Like we asked
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Lakewald about it, like, hey, is Mahome starting? And he goes,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: I've talked to a whole bunch of people that think
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: there's no way he's going to start week one, and
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm looking at video that tells
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: me there's every indication that he's starting week one, And
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: the second they put out the schedule, I mean, you
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: guys would would agree with this, right. The NFL is
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: not going to put the Broncos and Chiefs Monday Night
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Football first week of the season in KC unless they
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: had a pretty good idea that Holmes is gonna be
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: playing in that game. I don't think they do that
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: for justin fields.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: That is that is correct? He I mean he has
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: to be playing in that game.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Listen, it's not even August. He's taken snaps with the
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: team he's going to play. Can we stop with this foolishness?
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the same thing.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I'm with you. What's gonna happen?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: God?
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Do you get there's the more I think about that
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: first game of the year, think about the offshoot that
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: first week where everybody overreacts to every single game that's played.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Think about if the Broncos go to Arrowhead and win
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: in Week one. So the narrative is, hey, look at
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: the Broncos picking up right where they left off. But
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: also the second part of that combo is and maybe
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: the bigger part of the conversation, to be honest, is
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: the Chiefs run done like those are gonna be What's
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: said if the Broncos win.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Well, there are all kinds of storylines going into that game.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Now give me the inverse.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Chiefs win an Arrowhead in Week one, Monday Night Football,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: all eyeballs on the Homes. Chiefs are back Mahomes.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: He might be better off now that, especially the.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: Broncos lose, like you know, thirty one to fourteen. Oh,
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: the Broncos were a fraud. Yeah, the offense clearly is not,
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: you know, I yeah, but.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: It's what's extra on this These are divisional matchups right
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: out of the gates to start the year. I mean,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: you have mixed in with that in that first six
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: weeks is a game against LA in LA divisional road games.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I know it's the beginning of the season, but if
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: you can stack up a couple of road divisional wins
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: that early in the schedule against those teams, tie breakers
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: down the line, all that different stuff, it's huge.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: I said it before, I'll say it again, Vick, Right,
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: if they come out of those first six.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Weeks three and three, that's a win.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: I feel totally fine with that, totally completely fine, because
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: that's a murderers road is your season, You're right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Too, gigantic.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: Theoretically you're gonna be battling both those teams for the
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: division win. Those are two gigantic division road games to
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: start out.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: You know, I want to make this comment before we
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: move on.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: We're all wearing shirts today that pretty much describe our personalities.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Mosch has a random dog shirt that says what It's
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: not a random dog, it's his dog, my.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Freaking dog, dude. It says, Rick.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry that I can't identify your actual dogs.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: You've seen dogs, You've hung out with my dogs. You
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: know my dogs. Okay, you got a random dog?
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: I know your dogs I have I'll pick my Dogs
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: a cultural saying, what the hell are you wearing?
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Brett? What is that on your dog? Gets a Vector cup?
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: That's not the shirt?
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: What is that shirt? The launch Pad shirt?
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: It's a launch Pad golf shirt.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: What's with all the astronauts because it's Launchpad?
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: Because the he's called launch Pad Brewery, launch Pad Brewery Space.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I got it. And meanwhile.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: They looks like he works for the FBI and he's
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: on a drug rate or something.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: He's what are you wearing? This is? Have you seen?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the movie Zoolander?
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I got on my shirt.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I got the Derek Zulanders Center for kids who can't
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: read good and want to do other stuff good too.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: That's a think great shirt. I like pretty good.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: By the way, Shout out to the boys at launch Pad.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Happy anniversary, eleven years they've been opened, eleven wedding anniversary.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Happy anniversary.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: When when when are we going to get another beer
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: out there?
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Well, asked the boys today.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: I think the Punchable Face was the last one, right wait?
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: At Mosher's Broken Swinging, No, we.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: Already have an idea. It was a broken swing for
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: a new beer for this this show, by the way,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: and it's centered around vic.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: We have a guy that doesn't drink beer.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Correct, then it has to do with wine. Although I
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: went to.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Buffalo Bill days over the weekend in Golden. It's like
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: a big to do in Golden and I had a beer.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: No, did it hurt your tummy?
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Glass?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Did it hurt your tummy? Had a nice course.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Line and you stayed local? How about you?
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh? I mean, come on, what else are you
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: in the drink?
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you if you're in Golden and you're
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: not drinking cores, what what are you.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Get the hell out? Dude?
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: I think I think Buffalo Bill would have would have
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: liked a nice West Coast I p a just riding
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: across town.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Nice cab, Buffalo Bill, A nice cab?
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Uh three oh three five O four oh nine two
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: five bag After this