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Ghost In The Cell (2026) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Frightmares Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor,
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  Speaker 2: and joining me today for the recently released Ghost in
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  Speaker 2: the Cell is Corey Johnson. Heyo, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's Indonesia, not Norway.
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  Speaker 2: That was like a funny little running gag. They had
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  Speaker 2: a couple running gags in this, especially with Wilden.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was really good. They, I,
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  Speaker 1: and the way they brought the bits up was really
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  Speaker 1: funny too. Like it was inarguably some of the most
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  Speaker 1: inopportune times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like when, um, six is complaining about his head and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was pendy. pops out from below the
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  Speaker 2: bottom bunk. And he's like, I'm going to cut your
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  Speaker 2: head off. And then Wilden pops in. He's like, where
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  Speaker 2: are you going to go after you die if you're
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  Speaker 2: not religious? And I was like, Jesus Christ. Wilden brought
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  Speaker 2: that up like three times. So first and foremost here,
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  Speaker 2: I need to give a huge thank you to Joko
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  Speaker 2: Anwar himself. As I had mentioned before on the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: the movie was playing in one theater about 45 minutes
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  Speaker 2: to an hour away. And I'd planned to go see it,
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  Speaker 2: but I just couldn't make it. And then it was
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  Speaker 2: only out for a week. They gave it one week,
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  Speaker 2: because I was like, okay, I'll go see it Friday night.
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  Speaker 2: And then I went to check times, and it was gone.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, fuck, I really want to see
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  Speaker 2: this movie. So I DMed Joko, who was literally the
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  Speaker 2: most just, I don't even know, how do we describe him?
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  Speaker 2: The most amazing person ever?
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  Speaker 1: A man of the fucking people.
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  Speaker 2: A man of the people, just truly one of the most...
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  Speaker 2: Just best people. And I said, hey, Joko, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: there's no theaters playing your movie. I would really like
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  Speaker 2: to see it and review it for October because we've
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  Speaker 2: been doing a new movie for each month. And he
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  Speaker 2: very happily provided a screener for both Corey and I
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  Speaker 2: to watch. So, Joko, thank you very much. I've already
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  Speaker 2: watched it twice, planning on watching it again sometime. Because
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  Speaker 2: I loved it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched it once and then I got super
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  Speaker 1: busy yesterday. But it was a movie that hit me
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  Speaker 1: so hard that I was like, oh, this is burned
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  Speaker 1: into my eyes. Like, I remember this movie beat for
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  Speaker 1: beat because it was one of those things where, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you can kind of guess where a movie's going.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe not where the movie's going, but like... You're
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  Speaker 1: going to kind of guess what's going to happen next
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  Speaker 1: because you understand how people talk. But this movie had
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  Speaker 1: me every second of every frame going, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they're going to do next. Yeah, 100%.
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  Speaker 2: And it had me.
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  Speaker 1: gasping for breath, like, multiple times, and it never slowed down.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It started like you get the office scene, and then
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  Speaker 1: the movie goes, okay, go, bang, starting gun goes, and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's just fucking sprinting.
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  Speaker 2: You said there was a... Was it terrified that you said...
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  Speaker 2: It felt like it had you in a chokehold? Was
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  Speaker 2: that the movie? Yeah, terrified, yeah. Yeah, this movie is
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  Speaker 2: like if that chokehold was... a fucking pro wrestler. And
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  Speaker 2: he had his knee digging into your chest as well.
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  Speaker 2: Because first of all, Joko, I'm speaking directly to you
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  Speaker 2: right now. Cause I assume you're going to watch this.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you low me into a sense of security
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  Speaker 2: with an upbeat melody and an office setting. And I'm like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be great. And then some fucking
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  Speaker 2: guy strapped to this goddamn ceiling fan. And I'm like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing? Yeah. Hey, Everything about this movie
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  Speaker 1: feels like it's just meant to disarm, confuse, and push
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  Speaker 1: you around. Yes. Because you'll get this, like, jaunty fusion
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  Speaker 1: jazz elevator music as they're getting ready to go like
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  Speaker 1: fight the other people. Yeah. And then there's a Kung
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  Speaker 1: Fu scene that immediately breaks into a dance number that
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  Speaker 1: immediately goes into a different fight scene. And then everybody
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  Speaker 1: scatters and they're all doing their own little bit in
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  Speaker 1: each one of their cells. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: It remains at its core. It really just looks like
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that went, hey, let's have fun
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  Speaker 1: with this. Because there's so much heart and sincerity in
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  Speaker 1: it with the most grotesque backdrops going on.
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  Speaker 2: This is some weird product of like, a Saw movie
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  Speaker 2: regarding the body mutilation, but also, what was that movie?
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  Speaker 2: There was a movie, I think it was called Resurrection,
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  Speaker 2: where this guy was murdering people and posing them in
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  Speaker 2: ritualistic ways and stuff like that. It's like this amalgamation
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  Speaker 2: of so many different things, and it's not derivative at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like picking elements from all of these things,
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  Speaker 2: throwing it into a blender and being like, Here's your
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  Speaker 2: fucking protein shake. Enjoy. This is going to fill you up,
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  Speaker 2: and you're going to be satisfied, and you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to hate yourself at the end of the movie. Because
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  Speaker 2: most of Joko's movies, I would say every single movie
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  Speaker 2: that I've seen from Joko does not have a happy ending.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. No, not at all. We'll
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  Speaker 2: go through them here in a second, actually, because I
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  Speaker 2: did prepare a slide. So let's do a little introduction here,
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  Speaker 2: go through some of his catalog, and then kind of
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  Speaker 2: get into the movie. All right, so recently released... Obviously
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  Speaker 2: directed by Joko Onwar. Written by Joko Onwar. It's rated TVMA,
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  Speaker 2: which I find interesting. Hour and 46 minute runtime. 6.6
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  Speaker 2: on IMDb.
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  Speaker 1: Especially with all the man butt. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: 6.6 out of 10 on IMDb. 3.5 out of 5
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  Speaker 2: on Letterboxd. But yeah, I find it interesting that it's
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  Speaker 2: a TVMA rating. And I'll circle back to the man
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  Speaker 2: butt thing. Cause that scene had me gasping for air
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  Speaker 2: because I was fucking wheezing.
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  Speaker 1: I started cackle laughing and Jessica had looked away for
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  Speaker 1: like half a second. And I was like, nope, running
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  Speaker 1: this back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Gabby was like, we're doing it twice. Gabby was like,
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  Speaker 2: what's so funny? I was like, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: So then I rolled it back and then kind of
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  Speaker 2: narrated it like from the camera's perspective. And she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. I love it. Yeah. So, who is Joko Anwar?
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  Speaker 2: For anybody who doesn't know, he is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most internationally recognized contemporary Indonesian genre filmmakers. His work often
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  Speaker 2: includes supernatural folklore, disturbing imagery, social criticism, and stories about
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  Speaker 2: people confronting institutions and traditions more powerful than themselves. Now,
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  Speaker 2: let's look at this man's resume, because this shit's insane. So,
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  Speaker 2: As I mentioned a minute ago, not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: happy endings. Satan Slaves, horribly bleak ending. Horribly bleak. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to spoil it. Empedagore, pretty fucking bleak. Queen
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  Speaker 2: of Black Magic, pretty fucking bleak. I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he has done movies prior to this. I have
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  Speaker 2: not seen anything before Satan Slaves, so I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to speak on it. But I mean, banger, banger, banger
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  Speaker 2: movies right here. Director of Satan Slaves and Empedagore. Did
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  Speaker 2: not direct Queen of Black Magic, but did write it,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why I wanted to include it. And then
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  Speaker 2: we've got even more. We've got Satan Slaves 2, banger.
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  Speaker 2: Grave Torture, banger. And Smothered, which actually came out this year.
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  Speaker 2: He is only credited for writing this one as well. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this man's resume. I have nothing below a 4.5
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  Speaker 2: out of 5 on any of his fucking movies, including Smothered.
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  Speaker 2: Smothered was fucking fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I am the same way.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I would have to go back and look, but I
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  Speaker 1: think most of my Joko movies that I've seen are
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  Speaker 1: at a five or more.
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  Speaker 2: Five or more?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's in my heart.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, Satan Slaves is a six out
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  Speaker 2: of five.
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  Speaker 1: Or like Impedigore. I have that one prop and, you know, like.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, you do.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get rid of my bed before I.
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  Speaker 2: Get rid of it. Never selling that. So, what is
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  Speaker 2: next on the horizon for Joko, you might be wondering? Well,
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you. He is actually going to be doing...
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  Speaker 2: Satan Slaves 3 origin. So we're going to be going
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  Speaker 2: back to the roots of what caused everything that happened
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  Speaker 2: in Satan Slaves 1 and 2.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be an origin story. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're finally going to learn about the plot device in
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  Speaker 2: Satan Slaves about the grandmother and the whole thing. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm assuming, at least. So this is exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I just have to say, I genuinely, for like one second,
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  Speaker 1: got a chill of terror. Because... Because we know that
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  Speaker 1: the thing from Satan Slaves 1 and 2 is already
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  Speaker 1: real fucking bad. And now we're probably going to be, like,
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  Speaker 1: confronted with it actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I am ready for that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm ready for it either. I
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  Speaker 2: also can't believe he's, like, when I saw Satan Slaves
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  Speaker 2: 2 come out, I think that's what prompted me to
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  Speaker 2: watch the first one. Cause I don't think I'd watched
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  Speaker 2: it until the first one until about 2022. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that's what prompted me. I was like, Oh shit,
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  Speaker 2: there's a sequel. Well, now I gotta, I gotta watch these.
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  Speaker 2: And hearing that there's a third one on the way,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh my God, he's going to do a trilogy.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be one of the most underrated trilogies
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  Speaker 2: of all time, because I don't know how many people
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  Speaker 2: know about Joko. I don't know how many people know
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  Speaker 2: about Satan slaves one and two. I don't know. That's
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  Speaker 2: why I'm letting anybody who's watching this, who may not know,
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  Speaker 2: this is just an education on who Joko is because I,
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  Speaker 2: We are huge fans. This is exactly why we're doing
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  Speaker 2: this movie because I had to see it. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to wait until streaming. I'd rather, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: plus a lot of people probably haven't gotten either, might've
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  Speaker 2: not heard of this one or haven't seen it this month.
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  Speaker 2: We will talk about this as spoiler free as possible
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  Speaker 2: up until a point, because I do want people to
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  Speaker 2: be able to get a sense of the movie if
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  Speaker 2: you haven't seen it, but we have to talk about
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  Speaker 2: fucking the whole goddamn thing. You gotta talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: There's like, we may not hit as much on like,
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  Speaker 1: the theming, or why what's happening is happening, even though
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  Speaker 1: they do give up the ghost on what's happening and why.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit, like a little.
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  Speaker 2: less.
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  Speaker 1: Far into the movie that I thought it was going
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  Speaker 1: to be like, they, they give you the twist and
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  Speaker 1: then there's still like 30 minutes left.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love when movies do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like, I was like, all right, now I
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  Speaker 1: fully understand what are we going to do next? And
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  Speaker 1: then they do next and then do next again.
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  Speaker 2: That's my favorite thing in a movie. And I'm trying to,
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  Speaker 2: I'm blanking on the movie. It might even be a
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  Speaker 2: Joker movie, but there's, there's a one movie that I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking of in my head where you get this twist
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  Speaker 2: about like 30 minutes to the end of the movie.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have to live with that twist and
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  Speaker 2: everything that happens after it. And you're like, I can't
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  Speaker 2: handle this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, in pedigree with the whole,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening to the babies thing, they, they imply about
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  Speaker 1: what's happening. And then like 20 minutes later, they show you,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's still like 30 minutes left in the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I guess Satan Slaves does that when
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  Speaker 2: they read that magazine and find out what's happening and
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  Speaker 2: who might be next to be taken. And you're like, oh, God,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so worried for this child now. So I wouldn't necessarily,
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  Speaker 2: it's a twist, but you are loaded with information that
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, we have like half an hour left. Fuck.
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  Speaker 2: So the summary for this movie is as follows. At
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  Speaker 2: a notorious prison, an invisible force starts killing inmates brutally,
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  Speaker 2: compelling enemy gangs and corrupt guards to work together as
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  Speaker 2: they try to survive the mounting bloodshed. Now, some of
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  Speaker 2: the cast here. Our main character is a man named Dimas,
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  Speaker 2: and he is an economics desk reporter. He's investigating deaths
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  Speaker 2: connected to illegal nickel mining in Borneo, and then he
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  Speaker 2: winds up being framed for murder of his boss and
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  Speaker 2: then incarcerated. And when he arrives at Borneo, prison, things
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  Speaker 2: start going crazy. Supernatural killings happen. And his investigation is
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  Speaker 2: really the bridge between the prison's immediate nightmare and the
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  Speaker 2: larger corruption story outside of the walls. Supporting cast here,
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  Speaker 2: which I would say is also really kind of the
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  Speaker 2: main cast. You've got six over here on the left.
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  Speaker 2: He is, I mean, what would you describe? A telepath?
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  Speaker 2: He's got some sort of sense. Like he can sense auras.
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  Speaker 1: His dad was a shaman. And his dad had died.
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  Speaker 1: And it is to be assumed that his dad's powers
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  Speaker 1: passed on to him, which is why he can do
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  Speaker 1: what he do.
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  Speaker 2: Do what he do. Yeah, reading auras.
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  Speaker 1: Which is not much except for yelling.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, he has the ability to receive auras and
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  Speaker 2: kind of contributes their understanding of the entity's behavior, which
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  Speaker 2: is a really cool aspect of this movie. So what
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  Speaker 2: he's in for is he scammed people online, he made
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  Speaker 2: people fall in love with him, then ripped them off,
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  Speaker 2: and one victim reported him. Then next we have Wilden. Wilden, Six,
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  Speaker 2: and Pendy, who is not pictured here, are all in
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  Speaker 2: one cell. Wilden is the most devoted out of the crew,
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  Speaker 2: super diligent. He claimed, oh yeah, and why he's in
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  Speaker 2: is he claimed he could double money with prayers, which
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  Speaker 2: I find funny. And I meant super devout. Next up,
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  Speaker 2: we have Irfan, and I think he's probably one of
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  Speaker 2: the most important characters in this story when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the layout of the prison, because he's introduced to Dimas,
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  Speaker 2: and he shows him around, basically tells him all the
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  Speaker 2: people to avoid, this guy's here, that guy's there, this, this,
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  Speaker 2: and that, and kind of shows him the hierarchy of
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  Speaker 2: the jail itself. There's religious extremists, there's celebrities, there's gangs,
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  Speaker 2: you have BMO, Rendra, And, well, Tokek, but he's kind
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  Speaker 2: of just like the hitman guy of the jail. He's
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  Speaker 2: like attached to all the gangs in a way, but
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  Speaker 2: he's kind of like a lone wolf.
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  Speaker 1: And I, Joko, sir, I'm talking directly to you again.
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  Speaker 1: How did you talk this man into acting that way?
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  Speaker 2: Where did that come from?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm convinced you reached down into hell and pulled
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  Speaker 1: that man up. Because that was the single most menacing
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  Speaker 1: man I have ever seen. That fucking demon laugh. The
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  Speaker 1: things that he did with his mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I was so upset. I was so upset. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, why are you putting your whole hand in
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  Speaker 2: your mouth and then slapping your nipple? Wow. What are
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  Speaker 2: we doing?
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  Speaker 1: The entirety of what that character was, every time he
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  Speaker 1: was on screen, I was like, don't show up at
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  Speaker 1: my house.
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  Speaker 2: Don't show up here. Truly one of the most menacing villains, antagonists,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call him in horror history. That
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  Speaker 2: man was upsetting. So, like I said, we have Irfan.
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  Speaker 2: He plays a very important role in giving... Dimas, the
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  Speaker 2: lay of the land. We've got N'Goro. He is the
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  Speaker 2: film's moral and emotional center. He is a prisoner who
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  Speaker 2: knows how to navigate the violence, but his deeper challenge
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  Speaker 2: is learning when to not respond with anger. He protects everybody.
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  Speaker 2: His relationship with Dimas and the other inmates helps turn
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  Speaker 2: the film from a sequence of supernatural murders into a
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  Speaker 2: story about cooperation and moral change. He's a fundamentally decent
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  Speaker 2: prisoner who grows into a believable leader rather than just
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  Speaker 2: a simplistic hero. He's in jail for robbery. His house
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  Speaker 2: got seized. And even though he had the certificate for
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  Speaker 2: his house, the land mafia wanted to build a luxury
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  Speaker 2: resort there. He got pissed off, robbed the guy, and
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  Speaker 2: got caught. And then we have Lukman, which I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that's the right person to... Um, but I, I
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  Speaker 2: did it. I did the best I could with no
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  Speaker 2: pictures on IMDB and I don't really have much information
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  Speaker 2: on him. So let's go to the next one, which
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: is our two main guys here. We have Sapto and
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Sapto for lack of a better term is the warden.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to call him. A very corrupt,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: very corrupt individual who is trying to climb the ladder
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: of the prison system and, uh, work his way up
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: to a better prison. And then you have Jeffrey, who is.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Because this place is a terrible place.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: It's a dump.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: It is an absolute shithole. Togek can just rip pipes
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: off the wall and snap them over his knee to
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: use as weapons. Like, walls are consistently, like... Broken stuff.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: It like everything has a layer of very colorful grime,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: but grime nonetheless.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Right, right. Exactly.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: This definitely was Joko's like most colorful movie.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Especially with all the yellow inmates. like
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: outfits and uniform or whatever you want to call them.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: What the prisoners were wearing and the greens and the blues.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the uniforms, when Dimas comes out onto the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: yard and Irfan is giving him like the tour. Jessica goes, okay,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: but why is everybody in prison uniforms? And then Dimas
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is in very clearly pajamas. Like the way the uniform
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: sat on him, it made him look like a little
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: child in pajamas. Which is probably what he was aiming for.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: But it was just one of those things that like, oh,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: you're just making Dimas such a bitch.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he is made to look extra pathetic
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: because he's not supposed to be here. He's not built
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: for jail. He got there for something that we'll go into,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: which is a crazy reason. But then you got Jeffrey.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: He's like the lead corrections officer. He is very corrupt
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and also delights in inflicting pain on the inmates around him.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Then we get to this absolute fucking lunatic, Tokek. That's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the image I went with because that encompasses his entire personality.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: This man, it's upsetting. I'm going to get him off
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the screen because he genuinely upsets me. And then I
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: couldn't find a picture outside of this for Rendra. There
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: were limited options on IMDB and TMDB. So this is Rendra,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and he is a drug kingpin. And he's still making
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: meth in jail. And Demos is like, how? Everyone knows
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: they don't care, basically, is what's going on.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And so what I want to know, what I want
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to know is where is that meth going? Is it
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like being resold to the prisoners or is it like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: government sanctioned? We make the meth here and then take
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it out places.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So that nobody, I'm thinking that because the Jeffrey is corrupt.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: A rival gang can't rob a prison.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Right? Exactly. So I'm pretty sure the, you know, everyone's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: in cahoots there. If everyone knows, then there's obviously some
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: underground illegal drug thing going on there. Wouldn't put it
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: past them at all. There's another important person here named Prakasa,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and he's the powerfully connected politician guy. And he's in
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Block K, where everyone lives a life of luxury. They've
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: got air conditioning and TVs and Wi-Fi.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: They don't even have to stay there.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can leave whenever they want. They're allowed to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: come and go. What's the point of prison at that point?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe like it only counts on your sentence
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: if you're there. So you do have to keep going back. Yeah.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Like do the sentence, but it's like, all right, well
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take a week off. I'll come back.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'll stay two weeks next time.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But he's a, he's kind of the overarching connection between
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the illegal mining and and the ghost's presence that we
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: will get to much later in this bit. So what
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: makes this movie distinctive? Well, let me tell you. You've
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: got body horror and grotesque imagery. You've got this whole
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: doppelganger motif, which is really cool. You've got gore with
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a thematic purpose. It is not gore for gore's sake.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And you have a claustrophobic and dangerous setting. Now, some
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: of the themes that he touches on, we've got political
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and we've got social themes. This prison mirrors society in
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: a way. There's justice for the powerless and hypocrisy of
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: moral authority. The biggest thing that I love about this
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: movie that might not appeal to everyone is the blending
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of genres because you've got action. You've got dark comedy.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You've got a thriller set inside of a prison. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you have supernatural splatter and body horror. What do you mean?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And not just dark comedy. There's some straight
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: up slapstick in there.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There is a wide range of genres.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Like when Angoro is just kicking that man in the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: head while he's praying.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That was absolutely hilarious.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There is a lot happening in this fucking movie.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So let's kind of get into the meat and potatoes
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: here before we, because I have some more slides, but
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: we'll do those later. So like I mentioned, the story
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: focuses on Demos and he is wrongfully accused, even though,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was the only guy there and there's
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: a dead body. And then the guy that was out
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: smoking came back in and was like, hey, I'm going
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to call the cops. I mean, you don't see that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: It happens off screen. But when I watched it the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: second time, I noticed something because I was like, In
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the beginning, when I watched it the first time, I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: was like, what is this? You see the boss's reflection,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and it's not him. It's this weird... If you have...
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: What's that fear of holes? Tryptophobia. Tryptophobia. If you have that,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: do not watch this movie. Just letting you know. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you see his mirror image, and you're like, well, that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: looks weird. What's going on there? And then that's what
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: ultimately attacks him. And I didn't put it together until
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the second watch. I was like... oh, Dimas just got
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: back from the mine and is writing the piece on this.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: He had just finished writing the piece. Yeah, and the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: aura of the boss was clearly red because he was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: fighting with Dimas saying, you got 20 minutes to revise this,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: fighting with his wife on the phone and then throwing
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the phone and then that's what prompts his ghostly doppelganger
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to appear and kill him. And I was like, oh, duh.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: But it's just not something you realize on the first watch.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And I didn't think back to the opening after the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: movie kept going because I was just in what the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: fuck mode for an hour and, you know, 40 minutes.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: So then you get to, I mean, we spend, I
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: would say, what, 90% of the movie at the jail,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I would say.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: 95?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Because the office scene is... eight minutes and then, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: then you get the last like two minutes of what
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: happens at the end.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: So that's true. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: And it's still mainly, yeah, I would say, I would
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: say almost 98%.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Which is really an interesting, well, one, it's an interesting setting. I,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: outside of the movie prison, which does take, I don't,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if that movie fully takes place in
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a prison. I know what prison is involved. But I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: could not name you another horror movie that specifically takes
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: place in a prison. Are they out there? I'm sure.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: But off the top of my head?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily a horror, but the newer action thriller, which
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: is loosely associated with horror... Vince Vaughn's the boxer, the fighter.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, some guy gets sent to jail and it's Vince
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Vaughn as like a tough guy, which is hard to watch.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: That's why I haven't seen it. It came out in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like 24.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I don't think I've seen that one. The
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: only thing I'm thinking of is track.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Let me look, let me look it up real quick.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Uh, so yeah, let me get into all my, cause
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I have so many fucking notes here while you do that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Like I said, Demas is framed, sent to jail, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I have a... I mean, it's not really a speculation,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: but it's pretty obvious as to why Six is not
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: feeling well leading up to Demas' arrive. I feel like
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: since his dad was a shaman and he has this
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: whatever ability, he has... I think he has a heightened
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: sense for things, and when he was getting the headaches...
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: That is when Demos was on the way to the jail.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm assuming it's because he knew something imminent was coming,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: something negative, something bad.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And then especially when Demos gets off the bus, he
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: clutches his head in agony. And I'm like, okay, so clearly,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: clearly there's some connection between whatever's about to happen with
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Demos and Six, because he's, like I said, I'm just
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: saying telepath for lack of a better term, because that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: just kind of what it's kind of what it vibes like,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: or a reader. I can't think of a different terminology,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: but Six is a great character. He's kind of the
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: person that keeps everyone in balance and makes sure no
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: one gets angry. And there's a lot of comedy thrown
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: into those moments when everyone is fighting and he's like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you're like red, red, red, stop. And then they all
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: start fucking dancing and like get their aura green.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or praying.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or whatever. And he's like, okay, you're good, you're good,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: fight again. I was like, this is fucking hilarious. Like
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: it's the comedic balance of, with the horror is on,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: on the same level as Craig or with resident evil.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Like I'm scared as fuck. I'm laughing. Oh my God,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: this is fucked up.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And I, I would say it's, it's almost elevated in
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: a way because the way Craig or does it is there's,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: there's like a setup to it almost like a setup punchline.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Whereas the way Joko does it, it's, it's like, action
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: happening something completely unrelated that's funny or a bit that
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was established a while ago right it's not like direct
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: setup and punchline and the comedy to horror like ratio
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: makes the viewer feel so unbalanced but not unbalanced in
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a bad way it's like when you're on one of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: those like ceiling rope courses, it's fun because you're off
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: balance and it feels dangerous, but you know, you're safe.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And that's, that's the vibe that I was getting from this.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Like every time, like you would see this horrible shower
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: head body thing and And then like immediately something else
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: completely ridiculous happens or it transitions to a scene with
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like soothing music, you know, like what is going on?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: And it's almost comedy just because it's so absurd.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's tonal whiplash in a good way. And, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I do have some, like I said, I've got more slides.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It might not appeal to everyone, but the, the tonal teacups,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: tonal teacups. Okay.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Explain. So instead of whiplash, it's meant to spin you around.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm thinking fucking British tea.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: No, no, like teacups the ride.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Disney, yeah. Yeah. It's controlled tonal whiplash. Yeah, exactly. Like,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you're meant to be here and you're meant to go
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: along for this ride. Because there's a lot of movies
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: sometimes where I'm like, wow, the balance here is just jarring.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: This isn't jarring. And again, it is not going to
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: work for everyone because it does kind of bounce around
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a lot. But this movie is on rails with a
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: rocket attached to it. And I mean, once you get
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to that prison, it's just like... You're gone. Yeah, and it's.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Tonal whiplash at breakneck speeds.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Like, you are hitting rally car turns and, like, slamming
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: your head against the window.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: But you're having fun while doing it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And this was honestly, I have to say, and not
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in a bad way, I think I mentioned this already,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: this is Joko like I've never seen him before. Most
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of his movies kind of have, and I'm not saying
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: they're similar, but they are usually about ghostly things and
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: folklore of Indonesia. This was so much more.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Much more like elevated concept, right?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Like a concept we know, like the best way I
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: can describe Satan slaves is it's an Indonesian version of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the conjuring with a metric fuck ton of incredible lore
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: building and world building behind it. Like that's what it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: feels like to me. It's just a Indonesian, the conjuring,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: but better. Uh, no shade to the conjuring. I, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I gave it like a four and a half. But
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that's the easiest way I can explain Satan's face to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: someone who hasn't seen it. There's also a lot more.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: emotional connection to the family in Joko's movies, that motherfucker
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: knows how to write a family dynamic. Like, it's incredibly, like,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I love, I have not watched one of Joko's movies
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: where I was like, I don't fucking like these people.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's characters you might not like that
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to not like, but the core family or
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the core people in the movie, you fucking love every
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: one of them. And it's probably because he writes a
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: fucking page for On everyone. Yeah, he writes a biography
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: of them. He writes a biography.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And then says, hey, act like this character for six weeks,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and then we're going to go do test shots for
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: 10 hours.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go listen to our interview with him,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I think it was from 2024. Well, you can't see
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: it because we were, you know, but he showed us.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: An image of like the character and, you know, their
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: backstory traumas they've been through, how they I'm just like,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: this is next level writing. So that's probably why all
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: of his characters are so fucking relatable. But this movie
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: is so fast paced. And I mean that by the dialogue,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: because I assume they're talking their normal speed. Because a
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: lot of foreign people, they just speak quicker. But the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: subtitles on screen were like, bink, bink, bink, bink. And
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta lock in. I gotta lock the fuck.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: In.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And you have to pay attention. You can't take your
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: eyes off screen for a second. But that's engagement right there.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: That is an engaging movie.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: The dialogue pacing felt like he was drawing energy from
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the pacing of like, A Seinfeld or a Larry David.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: It was very like, boom, boom, boom.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Quip statement, bing, bang.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: And like everybody, like, like they were fighting for screen time,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: but like, that's what they're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I gotta get my line out next so that I
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: can get my next line out in two lines.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So the dialogue is quick. I wouldn't necessarily
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: say the editing is quick. The editing is very smooth.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: The camera work is just absolutely beautiful. The motion of
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the movie is not necessarily quick. It's just what's happening
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: on screen is very, very quick.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So the motion of the movie... is fluid yes that
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: fluid just happens to be whitewater rapids.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: There he is there's the analogy when i can't when
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: i can't get out what i'm trying to say he
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: always saves the day uh but yeah this is joko
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: like i've never seen him before in the best way
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: possible this is one of the craziest movies this year
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: fucking ghost in the cell my goodness i i don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I just, I'm trying to just wrap my head around
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: this movie. Like I said, I watched it twice and
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: it's not, it's not like it's hard to understand. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I know there's deeper levels to it and
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: deeper layers for sure. It's Joko Ono. There there's more
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: to it than I'm, than I'm giving it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: It is the most thematically accessible movie. Joko movie, I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: would say.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, because a lot of his movies have a lot,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: it's deep lore. And it's not bad, but you have
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to be into that sort of stuff. And you have
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to be paying attention. And you have to pay attention
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in this movie, too. But like, for example, just going
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: back to Satan Slaves, there's a lot of lore built
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: into that, that if you're not paying attention, you're gonna
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: miss something, and then it's not gonna make sense later.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Or like when Joko said about grave torture, like, oh,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: did you hear this word? one sentence that Mr. Wayhew said?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we were like, no.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And he was like, go back and watch it. The
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: entire movie is predicated on this one sentence.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: So this, I would say, is the most accessible in
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: terms of the average viewer. Now, it's not going to
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: appeal to everyone because of how quick it is, because
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: some people might not like the excess gore, because some
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: people might not like the tonal shifts. But the gore
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: is so obvious. artfully done for the most part it's
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: artistic except when they were just smushing guys against the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: wall yeah or when that guy takes like the fucking
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Alibaba sword and starts fucking just like hammering this guy
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: but yeah they're like art installations I can see this
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: at like some fucking museum where it's like.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Especially Novi's body which by the way Which, by the way, Novi,
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: arguably the best character.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Of this movie. Okay. Okay. Why is that?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Because, oh, just his energy with everything. And then the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: dance in the heels. Because I was under the assumption
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that homosexuality over there was, like, not really something that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: you let be known.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Because it's such a highly Muslim country. They're not too
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: keen on that most of the time.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: So to have that character on screen be... that gay. Yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: He was, yeah, I mean, he was, he played that,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not, I'm not sure, I'm assuming in
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: real life he might be in the community, but man.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Who knows? Who knows? But man, he played that character
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: so fucking well.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: And it was a level of energy that up until then,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the movie did not have. There was already a high
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: level of energy, but that was a high level of spirit.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: That's what you go to high school pep rallies for.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: That whole day. Oh, did you see, by the way,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: after some of the credits, there was a couple outtakes
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: and then everyone in the crew dancing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that was great. But yeah, that was, he was such
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: a great character, especially when everyone is trying, excuse me,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: when everyone is trying to make sure their aura is
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: good and they all go to dance. And he was like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you're not doing it right. It's this, this, this. I'm
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: just like, this is so great. I love this so much.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Wash the hair, soap the body.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I was like, oh, you're giving me instructions
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that I can understand. Right.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I don't dance, but I
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: feel like if I was in this class, I might
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: be able to get some rhythm going down here.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Part of me wants to learn the Novi dance.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That would be hilarious. I should do
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a TikTok. How to do the Novi dance. So going
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: back here just a bit to kind of the beginning,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: because I think it's an interesting thing to note. Dimas
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: is placed in Tokek's cell. Not a good thing for
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: your first night in jail. I can't remember, oh yes,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I remember exactly why. It's kind of a spoiler, I
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: won't say why, but basically the intention is for Tokek
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: to kill him because of why he is there. And I,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: it was hilarious because he, he, Demos goes into the cell,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Tokek's not there and he lays on the bottom bunk.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden Tokek comes in, he's
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: drunk because apparently that's what you can do there. And
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: if you have that status and he comes in there
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: doing his thing and then he's like, I'm too drunk tonight.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: It'll be better tomorrow. And then just like rolls over
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and passes out. So thanks to Tokek's drunkness, Demos was
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: able to survive the first night and thank God because, um,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: If he didn't survive that night and Togek didn't get
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: what came to him the next day, then, yeah, Deimos
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: would be in a lot of trouble because basically he
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: kills every cellmate. But he was supposed to kill Deimos
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: for a reason, and I don't want to spoil it
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: just yet. I know we're about 50 minutes in, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil that just yet.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: So just cause there's so much to talk about.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: There is a lot, but this is, so this is
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: when the ghost kind of emerges here because you see
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the ghost doppelganger at the beginning with the boss in
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the mirror. And then the next time you see it
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: is with Tokak when he, he comes up next to
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Demos the next day. after he was supposed to kill
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: him the night before, and they're showering, and they kind
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of do the running gag of the soap in jail.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I was rooting for him to get that fucking soap
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: with his foot. I was like, he's got it, he's
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: got it. I was like, ah, no, he doesn't.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And Joko did my favorite thing, where the bit goes
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on one too many times. And I was like, he's
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: not gonna get that soap. Joko will not let him
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: pick up that soap Because he knows that it will
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: be more successful when it doesn't. And then the whole
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: thing plays out. I'm like, all right, that was a
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: nice resolution. But he goes up one, drop it. Up two,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: drop it. Up three, oh, oh, oh, drop it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yes! One too many and we're done. And this,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: we're coming back around to this because I said we would.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: This is where, before everyone enters the shower, right, you
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: get a shot. It's just a whole lot of men's butts,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: and the music is like, it's like just kind of
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: this chill beat, and we're panning to the right. Yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: it's like jazzy, and we're panning to the right of
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: just men's asses, and then we stop, and a bunch
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: of kind of unattractive guys come in, and the camera goes,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: it's like, and goes to the left, and then one
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: skinny guy comes into the frame. They're like, fuck, fuck,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and they go all the way back to the left,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: And then this fat guy enters from the left and
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: then the camera just like fucking pans down. And I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: was like, that was the, that was the weirdest, but
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: most like hilarious joke. Like we want to showcase all
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: of these men's asses, but we don't want to showcase.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: No, so no. So here's what I think it was.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I think, I just thought it was a joke.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but I think the joke is like, it's
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: okay to show man butt, but you can't show man dong.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And every time there was somebody walking, it was about
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: to show the full frontal. That's why it moves down
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: because there's no other way for it to go.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That's even better. I thought they were just showing all
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the hot guys. Because one guy even, too, when they
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: first go, he does this and rubs his arm. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, these are a bunch of hunky guys.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: That's probably exactly what it is. Joko, if you can
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: slide into my DMs and confirm.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And when was the last time you... you saw a
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: legitimate camera gag in a movie.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Right? That's why I had to rewind it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: It was like Mel Brooks. Right, right. Probably Spaceballs.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Right. Like.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: what are we watching now?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: That's what it felt like. That type of thing.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Like we just did a camera gag. Like I was
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: not expecting that. And that's why Gabby was like, well,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: what was so funny? And I rewound it and I was,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I walked kind of just what I did now. And
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: she was like, oh, that's hilarious. And now I'm going
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: to explain to her what you said, because that was,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that was like, I can't believe we just pulled a
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: camera gag in the middle of this otherwise very serious
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: moment because Demos almost just died.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And not only that, we're doing a camera gag in
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: one of the most violent movies.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: It's cartoon violence. It's violence violence. It's psychological violence.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Because Jeffrey is... Clancy Brown. Oh, no, it's not Clancy
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Brown in Shawshank Redemption. Whatever the other guy is, the
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: real angry.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Prison guard in Shawshank. Is it Shawshank or is it
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Green Mile? shawshank shawshank okay yeah because.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: He's all he almost throws the dude off the roof.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: In the oh yeah yeah yeah he's the guy that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: is constantly uh uh andy dufresne is constantly you know
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: it is it is captain it is clancy brown.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Is it oh yeah captain.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Captain hadley yeah you're you were dead on yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Okay look at you go look at.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: You go Yeah. Um, yeah. So yeah, that's kind of
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: how I viewed Jeffrey a little bit is, is, is, uh,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: you know, he's also like, uh, the one guy from
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: prison break that the main guard is always fucking with. Um,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: can't even remember his name right now. Fucking the Michael. Yeah. Mike, uh,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Mike Flanagan. Yeah. Mike, whatever his name is. Uh, so
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: he is just this over just as looming presence who,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier, delights and, uh, and inflicting, you know, uh,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: corporal punishment on people like you are all excrement you
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: are all below me and uh you're just beating.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Them with a silver belt buckle.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah that when he like swung that down i
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: got like ptsd because i was like i mean i
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: didn't get beat with a buckle like that but you
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: know the belt still came out every now and again
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: so i was like ah this is gonna be terrifying
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: tapping into my childhood ptsd jesus christ Um, so yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Dimas does, does make it. Toe kick is, is the
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: first person that we see, uh, see his, his doppelganger.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: And I love the way they reveal it. Cause he is,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: first of all, I don't know if a toe kick
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: was taken as shit, but he gets up and just
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: pulls his underwear up and doesn't wipe. And I was like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you were shitting, but if you
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: were fucking what the hell, and he's only wearing underwear.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Well, well, and I mean, to be fair, To be fair,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: if you don't want to get assaulted like that in prison,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: if you don't wipe, nobody's going in there.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: That is a valid point, actually. God damn. So, yeah,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: he's the first person to encounter his doppelganger, and he's
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: in the corner, and the doppelganger turns around, and it's
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: this face with all these holes in it, and he
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: does this weird movement, and the pipe that he broke
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: in half to attack this doppelganger doppelganger with, which I
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: don't even think he knew.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Made of popsicle sticks.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, made of popsicle sticks, apparently. Basically takes his hands,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: crumbles them into a little ice cream sundae, and then
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: jabs the two things he had into his eyes while
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: he's crawling on the ground like this. And then he
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: is just put on display as a showerhead. I don't
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: know if Zhoko... He is then ripped in half. Oh,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that's right. He gets ripped full. Like, we're talking Terrifier,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: but instead of a saw, they just rip... And it
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: being slow, it's like.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It's like he got torn like a piece of tissue paper.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: It's like bone tomahawk because they do something similar in that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: It's just like, oh my God. Yeah, and then he
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: gets turned into just a decorative showerhead. If Joko plans
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: on selling a showerhead and doing some marketing, I would
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: buy one.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Speaking of, if this movie takes off like it deserves
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to take off, there should be little like six inch
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: statuettes of all the different cadavers and how they're set
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: up because I would totally take like a little action
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: figure statuette of Novi's dead body.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: That was yeah because it was so it was it
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: was it was like almost beautiful.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Glass and the yeah but i i would also love
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: like a little brick wall diorama of tokek with the
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: shower head i would i would i would pay upwards
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: of 80 for that like a little like like a
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: little statuette.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, I do know someone who is
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: very good at working with clay and molding. She happens
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to live with me, and maybe I'll see if we
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: can get her to make us some little custom pieces
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: that I'll obviously help with and buy the products for her.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like asking your wife to recreate dead bodies
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: out of clay is some type of like HR issue
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: within the Fright Marriage Company.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are. HR is they can be a little,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you know, not too lax on things. So I guess
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I'll have to get with them first. But yeah, I
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: would love some form of merchandise. I don't even care
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: if it's a fucking t-shirt. Like, I need one of
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: these horror companies out there that makes t-shirts like this,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: like from Cavity Colors. I need a Joko fucking line.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: We need some merchandise for his movies, please. Recently, they
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: did put out a box set, which I mentioned before,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: that I already purchased. So we are, or not we are,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: he is, we're gaining some momentum here with him in
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the U.S.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: No, I just want a t-shirt with... Joko's face on it.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give me that. Just fucking him. Like, Steve-O's back
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: tattoo of him like this. Yeah. Can I get a shirt?
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Be like, Joko, can you just send me a picture
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: with two thumbs up and I'll fucking make it a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: transparent background. I'll slap it on a t-shirt. And then
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: every time I wear it out there, like, who was that?
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, let me fucking tell you. Sit down and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: let me educate you.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: You got 30 minutes? Like, I'll carry around one of those, like,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: old people cane chairs. So whenever anybody asks, you can
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: just break the chair out and be like, sit down.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Class is in session.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you about the master. So let's go
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: into spoilers here. I'd like to at least because we're
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: about an hour in here. So at this point, if
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: you have not seen the movie, there will be timestamps
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: down below on where the spoilers are and where the
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: spoilers aren't. So let's talk about some spoilers here because
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: once you get Togek's death, Which, honestly, I really didn't
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: think Tokek was going to die because of just how,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I thought he was going to die. I just thought
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: he was going to be in the finale.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's going to be the big bad that whatever
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: is in the.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Prison takes over, especially with that character.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, that laugh. The noise that he made.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's a final villain laugh right there. Like,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: he's the big bad, or he has the big bad
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: attached to him. Right.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: But we find out that Demas is the one that
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: has the ghost attached to him because it's assumed to
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: be one of the spirits of the 12 dead men
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: from the nickel mining because there's a whole scandal about it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: So one of those attached itself to him. And the
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: reason it did that, at least I assume the reason
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it did that, was to get to Pricasa. Because Pricasa
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: is the guy responsible for all of the stuff that
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: happened with the nickel mining. And it is trying to
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: take a vindictive revenge on this man for what he
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: did to this forest. So, okay. Okay.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I thought, because they mention that it's a, in the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: very beginning they mention it's a haunted forest in Borneo.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: So I thought it was like a spirit of the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: forest that because he came in and destroyed the forest
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: and Deimos is the only one that knows that information,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: it attached itself to Deimos. To then figure out how
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to get to... I felt like it was going to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: be an it-follows situation, but with knowledge. Like, you learn
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: about this shit, and it attaches itself to you until
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: it gets to where it's trying to go.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah. Okay, interesting. Well, yeah. I attached
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: way more, like....
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Malicious revenge instead of just like, Oh, it was one
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: of the 12 miners. No, I think this is like
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the ancient forest.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Spirit, which is why, which is.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Why the, uh, the holes, I think the holes are
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: representative of like, the holes in yourself that make you
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: go out and do bad things. Cause one thing that
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Joko doesn't do is he doesn't just put things on
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: camera to be scary, right? Like it's scary because he
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: has a reason for it to be scary. And those
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: holes have to represent something. And I feel like it's,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: it's the holes in your soul that you poke out
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: every time you do something malicious against the world. Which
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: is why, so, like, Togek had way more than when
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: the newspaper editor boss, because he just had, like, a
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: few over his eye, and then Togek had, like, his
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: whole back and face, and things were coming out of him.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: And then the... The main cook guy, he only had
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: part of his face like that. So I feel like
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the worse the crime is, you get more holes on you.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Or the worse your soul is, the more holes.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: You get on you. Interesting. Okay. So there was... Let's see.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to see if I can find an answer
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: because I'm curious now. So I don't know how reliable
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: this is, but it says in the official marketing and
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: poster design for Joka Onwar's Ghost in the Cell, the
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: honeycomb-like holes covering the ghost's face represent a structural and
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: systemic societal trap where individuals are confined with a broken
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: larger system. I don't know how accurate that is. I
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: don't know. But... Uh, the individual, uh, we'll ask him eventually.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's just talking about the poster itself. Well,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: regardless of what they represent. Yeah. Cause I, I, I
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: thought it was cause there were, you know, they said
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: 12 people died in the accident. So, and, but you're right.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: I do, I do think the, they did say it
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: was a haunted forest. Okay. Yeah. So that's interesting either way,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: some entity, I'm not sure exactly what now, because I
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: was thinking it was one of the people that died
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: due to the, you know, building of this mine, uh,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: but it might have just been the forest itself or
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: a combination of the two. Who knows? It attaches itself
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: to Deimos and kind of, you know, it doesn't do
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: anything to him because he doesn't really have, because obviously
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: it feeds off of people's auras and negative energy and
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Deimos, if anything, is just kind of scared.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: He doesn't really get angry at all. And so Togek
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: gets attacked first because he's clearly the most violent person
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: in there. And then after that, it just starts going
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: kind of, it's like kind of this body hopping thing
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: in a sense, because it just goes from person to
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: person to person with negative energy, eventually finding its way
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: to Pricasa. But they do have to get into cell
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: block K for this entity to find Pricasa. which is interesting.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Cause like I said, Picasso is this guy who's kind
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: of in the background, the whole movie. And then you
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: find out that he's the one responsible for doing all
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: of this. And the guy, you know, this entity is
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: getting revenge on him. And I'm just like, that's fucking crazy. Uh,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: but I, I do have a client and we go ahead.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: We have to mention for them to even have this
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: entity attach itself to Picasso. They have to make him mad.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: So six, uh, in his infinite bag of tricks is
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: somehow able to exactly mimic people's voices, which was a
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: completely unknown talent until this one section of the movie,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and then it's never brought up again. And I love it.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I thought that was hilarious because the first couple people
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: he did were clearly him doing impressions. But the one
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: of the girl was a voiceover, obviously. They voiced over
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: the girl talking and he mimicked it. But that was
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: still hilarious. I'm like, are we doing this right now?
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: In the middle of two gangs fighting, trying to come
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: out on top. He's in the corner making calls, trying
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: to piss Procasa off. So this fucking entity will be
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: drawn towards him to kill him. This is next level
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: comedy and horror at the same exact time. What are
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: we doing?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: And then you go, you know what? That plan is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: actually kind of smart.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: That plan is incredibly smart, to be honest. And that's
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: one of the plot devices that I loved in this
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: movie is there's, you know, Joko, we know he, this
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: man is, he's a brilliant man. And when you have
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: something like that in there, which really like they don't
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: explain how he can do this. I don't care. It
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. It wasn't relevant until this point in the story.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: It's not like they were hiding it from anybody. It
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: just wasn't relevant until right now. And he's like, I can,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: this is a thing. This is a talent I have.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And you're like, cool. I accept this. No questions.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Because you've said and done a bunch of other wacky-ass
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: stuff previous. I mean, this movie.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Really does its hard work to allow you to very
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: easily suspend your disbelief for stuff because it comes at
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it in such a way where it will present you
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: information and then punch you in the face with that
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: information like it says oh hey look at this bang
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: with a right.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Hook Yeah, it's just an, like I said, it's like
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: you throw all these genres into a blender and it
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: somehow makes this delicious protein shake and you're like, here
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: you go. And you're like, I don't know how you
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: managed to do this and make it cohesive for one,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: because that's, I mean. balancing comedy and horror is enough
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: for one movie, but to throw in the action, and
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: to throw in the supernatural, and the gore, and the body, like,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: holy shit, how?
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: And the literal dance numbers. That too!
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: We're talking, like, it's not a musical, but we're talking, like,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Broadway fucking dance routine. It's like, just everyone together.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I do i do have to say because i've been
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: saying this maybe not to you but i've said it
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to kyle i know i've said it to jessica and
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: before we knew it was getting an english translation anybody
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: that i talked to about this because i talk about
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: joko to just random people I, I said from all
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the stills that I am seeing of this movie, you
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: cannot tell me it's not a secret musical because you
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: get all of these like wild held back poses all
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: from the front. I'm like, this is Broadway.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I said the same thing. And then I get, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: then I get dance numbers and I'm like, All right.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not mad. I've skirted the line. You skirted the.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Line on a technicality, but this was almost a secret musical.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I said the same thing. I saw the picture
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: on IMDb of Novel and I was like, is he
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: in heels? Is he dancing? I was like.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Is this like a out of context photo or is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: this like a behind the scenes? No, it's in there. Um,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: it's in there and it fits right in somehow, somehow.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know how this man fucking did this. I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: cannot praise this movie enough. And Joko is just brilliant mind.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I'd love to just like live in there for a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: day just to see how it works because Holy shit.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I feel, I feel like the amount of horror
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: ideas that he has, I feel like that would be
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: a terror fan with, with just jumping in there. It's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: a terrible place to be. Like, it's so scary. He
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: has cultural horror concepts that our dumb brains have never
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: even begun to think of. Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: But on the outside, he's just like, like the happiest
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: guy I've ever met. Sorry. So I did some more
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: digging here because I'm curious. And again, I don't know
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: how reliable this is. This is just quick Google searching
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: and then, you know, clicking on trusted websites. So the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: entity that attaches itself to Dimas is a supernatural forest
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: spirit born from environmental destruction and human greed. It isn't
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: identified as a specific traditional Indonesian folklore creature. Um, but
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: it is connected to the forest in Borneo that was
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: destroyed by illegal mining and human exploitation. It was originally
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: a force that helped maintain the natural balance, but it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: became corrupted by the destruction of behavior of humans. And
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: it follows Dimas. to investigate the mysterious deaths associated with
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the mining operation, and the spirit follows him into prison.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: He doesn't control it or deliberately summon it. He is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: connected to it through the investigation, and the spirit is
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: hunting for someone connected to the destruction and corruption Rather
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: than simply killing indiscriminately, the prisoners eventually connect its killings
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: to the powerful figures and the negative emotions that fuel
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: its attacks. So there you go. That's probably the best
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: explanation I'm gonna get. Joko's probably watching this like, man,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: you guys are just struggling over there. We're dumb, dumb Americans.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but like- Or if you
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: want the TLDR version of that, it's the cousin of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: the smoke monster from Ferngully. Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Wait, what? Okay. What is TLDR? I keep hearing this
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what it is.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Too long, didn't read.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, okay. I've seen that recently a lot, and I'm like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I just never bothered to look it up. So yeah,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: as much as I understand this movie, and as much
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: as I love it, sometimes I'm just a dum-dum. I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: have to watch Joko's movies a few times for them
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: to fully, fully click, and that's not a bad thing.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: It's because they're like ogres. They have layers.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: They have layers. And again, it's not a bad thing.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: If I watch a movie and I'm like, wow, five
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: out of five. I didn't understand some of it. I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: need to watch it again. Let's do it again. Let's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: do it again. And that's what I did with this.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I understand pretty much everything on
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: a baseline, but there's so many deeper things that you
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: have to kind of dig into to get the full story.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: He explains it very well. And, you know, even though
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I watched it twice, it's just, it is hard to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: remember all of the, everything that happens because so much
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: is happening. And again, that is not a criticism. That
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: is not a bad thing. It's just so much is
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: going on. And I'll tell you what, this, for someone
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: with ADHD, this is my fucking movie because of how
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: much it's switching around. And I can, I'm just like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: my ADHD is like, oh, I am locked the fuck
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: in because I crave, you know, if I'm watching, like
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: the house that was not hungry then, it's so boring,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: it's so slow. Me as an ADHD person, I need
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: switching up. I need you to be upbeat, right? Or
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: at least I need you to be engaging. But this
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: movie pleased my... It's very rare when a movie pleases
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: my ADHD. And this movie was... I'm on this movie's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: level with how quick it is, how tonally just kind
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: of jarring it can be. I love this movie so much.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I could say... I just can't
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: speak highly enough of this movie. It is so fucking good.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: You said to me in a text, this might be
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: the greatest movie ever made. And I was like.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And you're not wrong for us for sure. And at
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: the end of the, and at the end of the day,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the thing that we really need to stress is at
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, it boils down to this
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: movie is fun.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Like it weirdly is fun.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Like, The violence is, you watch a man get kicked
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: in the head eight times and not react. Because him
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: not reacting is pivotal to him staying alive. And he
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: is getting kicked in the face.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: You talking about Angoro and Rendra fighting?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love when he went to go, he jumps
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: really high in the air to do something and then
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: just falls flat on his face. And I was like, ha, almost.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: You almost made it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, ooh, this is very Kung Fu
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Hustle of you.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Right. It had that Kung Fu Hustle energy in some moments.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: And this movie is referential in such a respectful way.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: And it may not even be referential on purpose. Like,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: it may just have the same energy as those things.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: And then, you know... A death happens, but then they're
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: gonna either make it the most crazy fun thing ever,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: or it's gonna be upsetting, and then they're gonna, like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: do something real fun right after. It never... Joko's movies
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: normally do something to you and then say, now look
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: at what you.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Did.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: With this movie, it's like you get a wet willy
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: and the person that gives you the wet willy just
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: runs away right.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Like he presents to you this horror and he goes, okay,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: we're done.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: We're moving on.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Like it, it never sits on your soul in this
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: one and it allows you to, it doesn't like affect
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: you as wholeheartedly and you're able to just kind of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: keep the fun rolling through it. Cause it'll be like.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Death and then hilarious scene in the cafeteria and then
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: death and then let's all go dancing and then death
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and then gang fights and then death and then they
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: try and set the building on fire, but it's water.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was so, oh my God. That was such
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: a great scene because yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I was also like, even if it was gasoline, the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: fuck is.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: That going to do? It's concrete.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: It's concrete.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: What are you going to do?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: So they eventually do start putting things together with this
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: entity and how it's attacking through the auras. And they
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: also link it to Pricasa. So that's why they have
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: to move from cell block C to cell block K.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: And one of the guards actually helps them. I guess
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: the only, like, uncorrupt guard helps them move from block
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: to block. And Jeffrey and the, I think it was Sapto.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you. they go, yeah, they go to just like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: throw all this gasoline on it. And when he taps
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: the fire to it and it didn't light, and I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: was like, water, it's water. And then he smells it.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: He's like, this is water. And I was like, yeah,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: you dumb bitch. What did you think?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And oh man, the bit of them going across the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: prison yard. Where they started dropping and then they just
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: started striking poses. I was like, oh man.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: The light was fully on them. And I literally asked
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: out loud, how are they not being seen? And then
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: it cuts to the prison guards, like lighting up cigarettes.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, thank you for the answer.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: That was perfect.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: It's an automatic light.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: It's an automatic light. They're not paying attention. That was
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: so goddamn funny. But yeah. So they eventually make it
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: to cell block K. And like I said, you know,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the whole entity thing happens. I do wonder because Perkasa's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: entity that kills him is a younger version of himself
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: rather than this distorted doppelganger. Why? Do we know why?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Because he is the twisted version of himself.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: That's why is because you get Six finding that video
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: of him as a young man saying, we're going to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: protect this country. I'm doing this for my mother, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: And that was his ideals as a young man. And
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: that's why he rose to power is because people thought
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: of him as a good person.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: And then he became... corrupted.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: So Pricasa, as he is alive, is the twisted version
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: of himself.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Oh shit. Yeah.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. That makes sense because, yeah, when he's
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: confronted by himself, I was like, oh, this is interesting.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: And I thought maybe, oh, well, this is the person that,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: you know, this entity has been after the whole time.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: And we did just see that video of younger him
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: trying to claim that, you know, this is what he wanted. But, yeah,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: he is currently living the twisted version of himself while
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: everyone else is just living who they are, like. They
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: are all in jail for crimes that they committed. And yeah,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: so is Perkasa, but he's not fucking trying to change.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: A lot of people aren't trying to change in jail.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: He's also not in jail. Right, that too. He's in
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: the fucking Ritz. I mean, you see the inside of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that hotel, or hotel, it is a hotel room. You
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: see the inside of that prison cell and you're like, God,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: that's nicer than my house. Like, what the fuck? He's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: got like gold linings around the bed.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I literally looked at Jessica and said, this is nicer
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: than our house. Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Like this, that's nicer than any hotel I've stayed in.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, God damn. I wouldn't, I would just live
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: there forever. I don't know.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: I have been in your house and y'all keep that place.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: It's close. Well, not from the... Y'all got some really
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: nice counters. Well, yeah, but, like, I mean, it was ornate.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: That place was just ornate.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was gaudy.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: It was, yeah, it was just, it was like if
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I was a bougie-ass bitch, that's what my house would
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: look like. I was like, God damn.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Gold trim on the movie shelves.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, just a little accent here
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: and there. So, yes, this movie will work for a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: lot of people. I don't think it's necessarily a specific audience.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: I think if no one has watched a Joko Onoar
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: movie before, I say start with this one. Because it's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: unlike anything else he's got. Honestly, start with this one.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's the most thematically accessible movie.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, start with this one and then go backwards.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: It does serve you up some higher concept thought. But again,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: you boil it down, it's a fun movie. Empedagore is
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: not a... fun no grave grave torture is not oh.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: My god that movie devastated me that movie I mean
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: the opening scene alone I was like okay if this
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: is the cold open we are in for a rough
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: ride here this this is not gonna be fun And 100%.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: And let me clarify that when I say it's not fun,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: I still love, like I said, all of his movies
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: have high ratings. I just mean like I'm going to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: be emotionally hurt after this one. Yeah.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I don't have to be having fun to be like, oh, wow.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Right, right. This is amazing. This is a work of art.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: This moves me. This makes me think. This amazes me.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: But I'm not having fun.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Fun. Yeah, and if you look at his movies, honestly,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: this is the most interesting part, right? You watch his
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: movies in progression, it's like Satan's Slaves. Pretty dark. More
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: creepy than dark. Satan and Pedigore, pretty fucking dark, okay? Um,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: queen of black magic, not his directed movie, but still
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: very dark movie. Satan slaves to very fucking dark grave torture,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: pitch black. And I'm just like, I think that's maybe
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: that's why he made it under the ocean.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Like the darkest dark you can imagine. And it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I think he did this almost as like kind of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: just a shift to do something a little bit different
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: because like.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: It was his palate cleanser.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: This is his palate cleanser because I don't know how
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: we're going to go any darker than Grave Torture, but
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling we're about to see how dark
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: it can get with Satan Slaves 3 because fuck, I'm
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: not ready for that. Thank God it's coming out next
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: year because I cannot handle that movie this year. Don't
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: make me watch it this year.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: And like, and like I said, it feels like at
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: a certain point he looked at the cast and was like,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: y'all just have fun with it. Cause you can see
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: a couple of the guys in the background, like ever
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: so slightly crack a smile at certain things.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Like it's quick, but with, with Joko's movies, I know
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: he doesn't hide stuff in the background, but I'm always
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: expecting him to hide things in the background.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Right. So I'm like, if, if there's something like, okay,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: the fight scene's going on. Cool. Let me look at
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: what's going on, like around to see if he snuck
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: anything in. And then I caught one guy, like when, uh,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: and girl falls flat and you, you get one guy
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: in the bag.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, just like trying not to laugh. Um, fuck,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: what was I going to say? It was regarding his movies.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: And you know what? I think this might be the
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: first movie because, I mean, yes, he utilizes jump scares,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: which isn't a bad thing. I think this might be
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: the first movie that he's done that I don't remember
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: there being necessarily like a jump scare. I don't, you know,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: like it was more about the, it was more about
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: revealing the grotesqueries and more about violence because Satan Slaves
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: 1 and 2 got a lot of good, not even
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: jump scares. It's those scares that like, like, For example,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: there's dead bodies laying on the ground in Satan Slaves 2.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: And they're just laying there. And it's lightning outside. And
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: the lightning cracks. And they're there. And then the lightning
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: cracks again. And they're just looking over. Like, that's the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: kind of scares that I'm used to from Joko. And
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: then the lightning cracks again. And they're fixed.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Or like the bell scene in Satan Slaves 1.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Right. It's like non-jump scares. But you're just, it's like, oh, shit. Like,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: They're fast. fast scare.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's just things. It's like, if you look away
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: for a second, you'll miss it, but there's no dramatic sting.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: There's no, you know, whatever. And again, like I said,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: he does utilize traditional jump scares, but this is the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: first movie where it was very reliant on the brutality,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: the violence and revealing the grotesque imagery. I can't recall
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: like an actual jump scare.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Cause I, I want to know what poor team of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: people were, had to build those death scenes. Like, I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: know they did it willingly, but man, how many times
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: can you drape intestines before... It takes a toll on
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: your mental.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you the people who were doing that were
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: fucking ecstatic to be creating that shit. I guarantee you
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: they're just like, it's beautiful. Look at it. Uh, yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: So I can't speak highly enough of this movie and
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: we're actually going to go into some, uh, like kind
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: of the critical reception that it's received so far, unless
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: there was anything else you wanted to mention about the movie.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Um, I, I mean, could we talk about this until
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: the sun goes down?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just like a lot of movies this year. I
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: feel like I could talk about them forever. and go
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: on and on about them. But yeah, basically my ending
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: thought here is Joko Anwar, in my opinion, is, I mean,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say this because at this point I
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: just feel like it's true. Not that I ever doubted
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: him before, but he is my all-time favorite modern director ever.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Right now. I mean, there's a lot of good talent
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: out there. Jordan Peele, Zach Kreger, Ari Aster's kind of
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: fallen off. You know, like there's a lot of great
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: talent out there, but when it comes to, and Flanagan
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: as well, but he almost puts out too much stuff.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's like, I can't even keep up
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: with Flanagan. But Joko puts out a movie usually about
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: every two years and they have never not hit in
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: some way, shape or form. So I'm going to go
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: on the record. By the way, this is not a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: paid review, okay? I asked him for the screener, and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: he provided.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: It to me. We said, please, Mr. Anwar.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Please, sir. Give me more. I have some more. I
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: will pay you for this. Yeah, literally. We've talked about
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: how much we love Joko anyway. So this is not
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: a paid promotion for this at all. I genuinely... I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: think he is the greatest modern horror director that we
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: have right now. And I don't feel like enough people,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: especially in the States, I know he's internationally known, but
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: like in the States, I don't think people know him
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: enough and we need to change that because this man
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: is making crazy shit. So, yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: And, and even like, I, I go back and listen
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to our interview with him. and understand his process before
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: you go into his movies, because then you, you understand
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: how quick his turnaround time is. He does almost all,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: if not all the editing himself, he's got something in
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: his back pocket for every situation and everything. Everybody on
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: the casting crew has to know the script and what's
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: going on so that they can just do it.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: The level of intensity of which he approaches his projects
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: and the level of intensity that he gets out of
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: his people is something that truly should be studied. Like,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: we need to set up the... Joko Anwar horror school
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: of film.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Yes. Somewhere. Yes. Absolutely. We do. Yes. David Lynch has
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: a film program. We need a Joko Anwar film program. Also,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: it was episode 283 back on 11... Sorry, November 6, 2024.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Grave Torture featuring Joko Anwar. He will be back for
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Satan Slaves 3. Let me play this again so we
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: can get some of the critical responses here.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: So....
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Critical reception for this movie is very shocking. I mean,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: not to me, but maybe to others. Currently holding a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: 100% on the Tomatometer. Typically, I'm not a fan of
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: the Tomatometer. I'll be the first to admit it. I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: hate it. But when a movie holds 100% that is
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: something to be mentioned.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: And when it comes to Joko, we'll go with anything
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that says good about him.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Right. Because he deserves it. Because he deserves it. You know,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: 28 reviews, so not a shit ton, but that's still great.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Even the popcorn meter, right? 84%, 50 plus reviews. RogerEbert.com
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: gave it a three out of four, which is pretty impressive. Corey,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: rating on the movie? Five out of five. Five out
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: of five. Yeah, I already pre-did this one because I
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: was expecting no less than a five out of five.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: So there is your critical reception from various different platforms.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: The question at hand, I mean, is it worth watching?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw this in there, fucking duh. Absolutely
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: it's worth watching. Reasons to be excited if you're a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: horror fan, like we've mentioned, the body horror, the gore,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the genre blending. It is a confined setting that naturally
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: generates a lot of tension. You've got a supernatural presence
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: with a clear thematic purpose. and a political satire on
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: corruption and inequality. Now, some potential drawbacks to the average
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: horror watcher. The violence might be too extreme for some viewers.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: That's just a fact. This might be too intense because, like,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: it's fucking graphic. The tonal shifts might feel chaotic rather
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: than inventive for some people. It might be too quick-paced.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: The gaps between the horror might not work for people.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: If you're looking for nonstop scares, like a Conjuring movie,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: you might not like this. Sometimes I'm in the mood
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: for that. Sometimes I like nonstop scares, but I also
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: want room to breathe. And in this case, I'm breathing
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: into a fucking paper bag trying to catch my breath,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: but I am still breathing in between the horror. And lastly,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: kind of going back to what I just said, the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: fast-paced nature might not appeal to some So that is
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: the end of my little presentation.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: The other, the other one thing I would say about
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: it is you got to read it. It, I mean,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: read it.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: There are some people.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You have to read the movie.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes. English. Yes. Sorry. I was, I was thinking,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: taking that a different way. Yeah. You do have to,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a foreign movie, so you have to, uh, yeah,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: you have to read subtitles. Sometimes people don't like reading
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: subtitles and I will quote the, uh, I almost said
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: late great, but no, just the great Bong Joon-ho. if
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: you could get over, you know, just a little one
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: inch gap of, or a one inch of text, you'd
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: find a lot more movies that you love and enjoy.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: And I should mention real quick, while we're on Bong Joon-ho,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: John Carpenter is scoring his next movie. Yeah, his next movie.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: And it's a horror movie. What the fuck? What is
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: happening in this world? Sorry, I had to bring that
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: up since I quoted Bong Joon-ho. But yeah, John Carpenter's
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: scoring a Bong Joon-ho horror movie. sign me the fuck
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: up so yes this is this is another banger um
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: it's obviously going to be in my top 10 i'm
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: not going to say where it's going to fit because
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: i am still i just tweaked it again today and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: i'm not happy with it because i can't it's impossible.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah and i'm not going to say where it's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: going to go on mine either because i feel like
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: you'll get angry at me you austin will get angry.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: At me you that's that says enough that already says
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: enough I already know where it's going. It's fine. I'm
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: not going to get mad at you. It's your list.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: No, you don't know where it's going. You don't know
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: where it's going.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: I absolutely know where it's going because you told me
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: about another movie and I know where that movie is.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: And if I'm going to be upset at where Ghost
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: in a Cell is, then it's going to be behind
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: that movie.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Nope. Then what the fuck are you talking about? See,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: you're already getting mad. I'm so confused.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: If you'd like to follow Joko, he is on Instagram.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: And Joko Anwar, he is a delightful human being, one
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: of the kindest people I've ever had the pleasure of meeting.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: At this point, I'm going to call him a friend
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: of the show. I am in his DMs a lot.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: And he's not even a friend of the show.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: He's just a friend.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Friend. Yeah, at this point, I'd like to consider him
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: a friend. He's just a wonderful human being, so go
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: give him a follow. Go check out his movies. I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: think everything outside of Grave Torture is streaming on Netflix.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: I know Satan Slaves 1 and 2 are. I know
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Empedagore is. The Queen of Black Magic is. And yeah,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Grave Torture was made specifically for Netflix,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: although I could be wrong. But seriously, go check out
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: his movies if you haven't already. I mean, I don't
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: know why you've listened to this if you haven't seen
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: his movies, other than the fact that it's a brand
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: new movie for this year. But everyone should know where
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: to find us at this point. Follow us on all
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: forms of social media. If you like the podcast, go
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: give it a rating and a review. Next month, which
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: is the month of October, it is going to be
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Necro November, which sounds a lot dirtier than it is,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: but it's... It's the best I could come up with.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: And it's Lovecraft, Cosmic Horror. And we're going to be
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of fun stuff with that. So until
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: next time, guys, stay tuned and stay spooky. Thank you
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: for listening.
• 1:24:52
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