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4/21/26: Trump Freaks Over Ro Khanna On Israel, FL Student Arrested For Netanyahu Joke, Palantir Pushes Draft · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: Very interesting and combative interview yesterday between Rocanna and Maria
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  Speaker 2: Bardromo over on Fox News about whether or not Trump
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  Speaker 2: is making decisions for the US or for Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: All Trump did is listen to Netanyahu. That's his entire
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  Speaker 4: fall forward policy. You know what I resent with fact
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  Speaker 4: that Israel is going to tell the United States what
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  Speaker 4: to do. The American president should call the shots in
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  Speaker 4: this country.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the American president should call the shots in this country.
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  Speaker 5: But you and your college are trying to clip his wings.
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  Speaker 5: Right now with this war powers vote.
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  Speaker 3: I agree the president is.
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  Speaker 5: In charge, but look a lot of the things that
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  Speaker 5: you just said are just not true. Congressman. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 5: we have to look at this realistically. And President Obama
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  Speaker 5: sent money to the Iranians.
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  Speaker 3: And what did they do. They resumed their build up.
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  Speaker 4: That's not true.
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  Speaker 6: Enrichment that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: It not true.
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  Speaker 4: What's not true, not true?
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  Speaker 6: Not true?
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  Speaker 3: What specifically about that sentence.
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  Speaker 4: There was a deal that we reached to get seven
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  Speaker 4: percent of the enriched uranium out. In the process of that,
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  Speaker 4: Iran had certain assets that were Iranian assets. Wasn't har
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  Speaker 4: money that was unfrozen, And that was a deal that China, Russia, France, UK, Canada,
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  Speaker 4: the United States all agreed to. And then you had
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  Speaker 4: got President Yahoo come in and try to torpedo it
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  Speaker 4: an Apex apec dright to torpedo that deal. We were
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  Speaker 4: on to pay to having get de nuclear Iran. But
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  Speaker 4: what happened is it wasn't in Yao's interests and Apex
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  Speaker 4: at Chris and they've dragged us into another war in
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  Speaker 4: the Middle East. They've hurt American people, and the American
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  Speaker 4: people are tired of it. They want people who are
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  Speaker 4: going to be Team America. They want people who are
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  Speaker 4: going to bring gas prices down here and care about
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  Speaker 4: our nation and get us out of these wars. And
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  Speaker 4: that's why Obama won. He was against the Iraq war.
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  Speaker 4: That's why he was on a path to normalization in
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  Speaker 4: terms of getting Iran to be de nuclear and had
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  Speaker 4: the whole world on our side. And Apaktaniahu tore that
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  Speaker 4: up RelA.
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  Speaker 2: So apparently, yeah, he was coking there. And you know
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  Speaker 2: what's interesting is obviously, like Fox News, boomers are the
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  Speaker 2: people who continue to be most board of Trump, the
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  Speaker 2: Iran war, most Proviszeril, et cetera. But even with that audience,
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  Speaker 2: and that was a vern Fox business, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have some significant number who are listening to Row and
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  Speaker 2: actually agreeing with him over a Democratic congressman, over Maria Barbaroma,
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  Speaker 2: the right wing host there who is very pro Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a good catch actually from Jack Cachirella.
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  Speaker 2: So very shortly after this appearance from Rocana, Trump posted
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  Speaker 2: this on True Social Let's put this up on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: He says, Israel never talked to me unto war with Iran.
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  Speaker 2: The results of October seventh added to my lifelong opinion
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  Speaker 2: that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. Did I
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  Speaker 2: watch and read the fake news pundits and polls in
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  Speaker 2: total disbelief. Ninety percent of what they say are lives
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  Speaker 2: and made up stories. The polls are rigged, much as
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty presidential election was rigged, just like the
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  Speaker 2: results in Venezuela, which the media doesn't like talking about.
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  Speaker 2: The results in Iran will be amazing and if Ron's
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  Speaker 2: new leaders regime change exclamation point, are smart, Iran can
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  Speaker 2: have a great and prosperous future. So this looks to
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  Speaker 2: me like Roe getting under his skin a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: because we all know how closely Trump watches the content
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  Speaker 2: there over at Fox News and Fox Business.
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  Speaker 1: Oh almost certainly. It is interesting, though, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. The one thing that really gets me, and
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  Speaker 1: that Maria Bartriomo clip is her going after him for
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  Speaker 1: the War Powers resolution because she's basically advocating for total
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  Speaker 1: monarch I mean, I think that is one of those
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  Speaker 1: where we really should not move past the fact that
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  Speaker 1: this is not only we started a war with Iran,
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  Speaker 1: we are still in a state of war with the blockade.
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  Speaker 1: A blockade is a recognized act of warfare. That's why
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  Speaker 1: during the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy was very careful, we
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  Speaker 1: are quarantining Cuba, we are, it's the same thing, but
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  Speaker 1: he would not use the word blockade. Trump just comes
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  Speaker 1: out and says blockade. That is a straight up act
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  Speaker 1: of war that must have been authorized by Congress. And
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  Speaker 1: in it, she's going after Rokanna, not just for saying
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  Speaker 1: that Trump calls a shots. He should have total ability
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  Speaker 1: to wage war in whatever way he wants. And look,
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  Speaker 1: that's true if the Congress authorizes the war, and they're
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  Speaker 1: cowards because they don't want to vote on it right now.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he was actually very effective in conveying
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  Speaker 1: that message, both on the Israeli control but also in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the War Powers resolution, getting her to articulate
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  Speaker 1: and insane view which I don't think any American really
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  Speaker 1: would agree with at all in terms of the ability
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  Speaker 1: to unilaterally start war.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you actually just triggered a thought in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: which is that I saw report that Schumer is actually
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  Speaker 2: planning to push another war powers resolution, and Trump, in
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  Speaker 2: that interview that he recorded with CNBC, was going after
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  Speaker 2: Schumer and saying Oh, he wants us to stop and
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  Speaker 2: these Democrats are traitorists, etcetera, et cetera. That comes directly
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  Speaker 2: out of he does not want to have to deal
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  Speaker 2: with more what warpowers resolution votes because they've been coming
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  Speaker 2: very very close to success. Now do I think he's
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  Speaker 2: going to like abide by what the Congress passes. No,
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  Speaker 2: but it creates more issues for him, and he feels
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  Speaker 2: that it constrains him because he believes he should have
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  Speaker 2: the powers of a king. And apparently Marie Barberum agrees
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  Speaker 2: with that assessment and thinks he should just be able
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  Speaker 2: to do whatever he wants, whatever he wants. Constitution be damned,
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  Speaker 2: because it says very clearly in the Constitution what body
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  Speaker 2: has the right to declare war and it is not
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  Speaker 2: the President of the United States. One other interesting thing
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  Speaker 2: here on the Israel front, which I was very glad
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  Speaker 2: to see at D three up on the screen. So
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  Speaker 2: we talk of four on the show about how Hungary
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  Speaker 2: as elected a new leader after sixteen years of Victor
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  Speaker 2: Or Bond being in place and really doing what he
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  Speaker 2: could to rig the system in his favor, taking over
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  Speaker 2: the media, rewriting, you know, rewriting the constitution, really defenestrating
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  Speaker 2: the opposition in all sorts of ways.
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  Speaker 3: He actually was defeated and resoundingly.
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  Speaker 2: So so you've got this new guy in Peter Magyar
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of questions about okay, well what exactly
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  Speaker 2: is his ideology and a lot of ways the positioned
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  Speaker 2: himself as you know, sort of similar ideologically to Orbon,
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  Speaker 2: but without the corruption.
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  Speaker 3: However, this is very different.
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  Speaker 2: He says, Listen, if Nottanyahu visits Hungary, I'm sorry, but
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  Speaker 2: we're part of the ICC. We're signatories to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court, so we have to arrest him
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  Speaker 2: if he arrives here in Hungary. So pretty surprising to
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  Speaker 2: me because he previously had said some things that were
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  Speaker 2: pretty pro Israel. But here he says, no, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to stand up for international law. He's a wanted war
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  Speaker 2: criminal and we will do our duty as part of
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  Speaker 2: the ICC.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is actually it puts him out
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  Speaker 1: of step with some of the other big European powers.
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  Speaker 1: So for example, France had argued that they could never
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  Speaker 1: arrest BB. Germany said that they could never arrest BB.
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  Speaker 1: Italy said that they couldn't. But this is little old
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  Speaker 1: Hungary is out there being like, oh yeah, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: would arrest him, sure, And so I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know which way to read it. It could be political positioning.
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  Speaker 1: Israel is dramatically unpopular around the world, has been now
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  Speaker 1: for years. Even in European countries which are very pro
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  Speaker 1: Israel at an actual government level, their population has been
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  Speaker 1: very against Israel, or much more so than even the
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  Speaker 1: US population now for years. So if you were to
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  Speaker 1: take it, you know, full step. I think with Hungary,
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  Speaker 1: this is like the South Korea example, people like Magyar
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  Speaker 1: or in South Korea, especially South Korea, you don't need
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  Speaker 1: an opinion on Israel. We're on the different side of
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  Speaker 1: the globe, like whatever, and then they get you into
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  Speaker 1: a war and you're like, fuck you actually, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those where I think, to help to
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  Speaker 1: crash the global repercussion own people, You're like, okay, now
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  Speaker 1: we've got a problem. Now we have a problem, right exactly,
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  Speaker 1: now we have a problem with Hungary. I have no
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  Speaker 1: idea where this came from, except maybe in trying to
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  Speaker 1: position himself as you know, against Orbon in trying to
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  Speaker 1: because if you were to guess Orbon, you know, his
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  Speaker 1: lost because of corruption. Obviously people got sick of the
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  Speaker 1: government apparatus over the last sixteen years, mag Yard is
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  Speaker 1: still running. In fact, he's saying he's a corrupt sellout
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  Speaker 1: for letting more illegal or letting more immigrants in like
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  Speaker 1: on a guest worker program. I'm going to shut that down.
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  Speaker 1: He kind of portrayed himself as like the cleaner candidate.
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  Speaker 1: With that respect, I bet you that the same influence,
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  Speaker 1: like of Israeli money or influence in their politics is
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  Speaker 1: probably seen in the same way, same with Russier, any
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  Speaker 1: of these forces that we're seen as controlling or like
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  Speaker 1: above the fray in terms of orbon So that's probably
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  Speaker 1: what he's trying to He's probably trying to convey a
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  Speaker 1: message of I'm my own man and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: act in your own interest, which I'm here for. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's also very to other European countries like Frands in
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  Speaker 2: Germany that are also signatories to the ICC, but have
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  Speaker 2: made all these convoluted arguments about why they don't have
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  Speaker 2: to arrest Yaho if he shows up on their soil.
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  Speaker 3: So it's humiliating.
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  Speaker 2: Or Bonhead apparently was had initiated the process to withdraw
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  Speaker 2: Hungary from the ICC altogether, and Magyar is also saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm reversing that process. We're going to stay part of
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  Speaker 2: the ICC now. Yahoo is planning to visit Hungary in
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  Speaker 2: the fall. So this is not just, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: completely idle speculation. I guess he's going to have to
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  Speaker 2: rethink those plans given this new pronouncement from from Magyar.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, very humiliating for other countries, European countries
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  Speaker 2: in particular, which posture as being pro human rights and
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  Speaker 2: caring about international law, et cetera, And not only when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to Israel, but also when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the US.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how many of them had anything to.
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  Speaker 2: Say about our illegal and offensive war against Iran? Very
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  Speaker 2: very little, very muted to the extent there was, there
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  Speaker 2: was a little bit from France. Spain is basically the
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  Speaker 2: only country that has come out with a full throated
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  Speaker 2: condemnation of actions for the US here clearly violate international laws.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, that's exactly right. All right, let's get to anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 6: shall we.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so we have some new proposed legislation here
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  Speaker 2: from Congressman Chip Roy called the mum Donnie Act to
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  Speaker 2: target any immigrants who have ideology that Congressman Roy here
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  Speaker 2: finds to be unacceptable. We can put this up on
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  Speaker 2: the screen, he announced it here. New Representative Roy introduces
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  Speaker 2: the Mom Donnie Act to denaturalize and deport Marxists and
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  Speaker 2: Islamic fundamentalists, he said to Bright Part News by targeting
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: the Red Green alliances, legislation employs new tools to fight
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  Speaker 2: back against the Marxist and Islamist advance that has devastated
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  Speaker 2: Europe and has now arrived on our doorstep, especially in
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  Speaker 2: my home.
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  Speaker 3: State of Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me give you a little bit of the
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  Speaker 2: details here, because it truly is dystopian it and he's
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  Speaker 2: not just talking about you know, ideological vetting of would
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  Speaker 2: be immigrants, which I would find disturbing disgusting enough. He's
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: talking about people who already are citizens, like mayor Mom Donni,
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  Speaker 2: rolling back their citizenship and deporting them over them having
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  Speaker 2: you know, political ideology that he finds to be objectionable.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: So the way they get Mom Donnie is the Measures
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  Speaker 2: against Marxism's dangerous adherents and noxious Islamist Act proposes amending
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  Speaker 2: the Immigration and Nationality Act, which dictates federal immigration law
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: to allow for the deportation, denaturalization, denial of citizen sinship
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  Speaker 2: or entry to any migrant that is a member of
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  Speaker 2: a socialist party, a communist party, the Chinese Communist Party,
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  Speaker 2: or Islamic Fundamentalist Party also proposes imposing such restrictions on
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  Speaker 2: any migrant who advocates for socialism, communism, Marxism, or Islamic fundamentalism,
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: a sweeping urn that includes writing, districting, circulating, printing, displaying, possessing,
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: or publishing any written, electronic or printed matter in support
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  Speaker 2: of those ideologies, according.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: To the bills text. I mean so I was completely insane.
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  Speaker 2: Especially given that Republicans think that everyone from like Gavin
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  Speaker 2: new Thumb to Zoran Mamdani and Bernie Sanders is like
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  Speaker 2: a communist that they would, you know, happily apply.
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  Speaker 1: This to I think I like the spirit, but I
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: would apply it very, very differently. And as some I
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: think people know my views on immigration, I do disagree
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  Speaker 1: with you that we shouldn't screen immigrants for what we
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: deem acceptable. I think that's democratic in terms of what
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: it is. I wouldn't focus on anti semitism personally, but
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  Speaker 1: there has been something about the Iran and Cuba situation,
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  Speaker 1: which has made it intolerable to let.
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  Speaker 6: People in who want us to invade their other countries.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm being serious, I'm I would go. And if
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  Speaker 1: you are Iranian and you want Iranian American and you
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  Speaker 1: want us to bomb your homeland, I think you got
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  Speaker 1: to go. I just think it's a sick phenomenon. Same
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  Speaker 1: with Cubans, Like you literally leave Cuba, you come here,
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  Speaker 1: and you advocate for us to go and invade your
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  Speaker 1: homeland so that we can restore your family's plantation or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's sick. Sorry, Like I don't I don't want
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  Speaker 1: you to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I think you should go back to where you came from.
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  Speaker 2: Might be able to strike a compromise.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I really, I really think that this
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  Speaker 1: like fifth column that we have of all of these
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: like interventionist neo cons who bring their bullshit from the
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Third World over here and try to hijack our military
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: in our population to fight their ethnic conflicts. I think
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: To be serious with you for a second. The real
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  Speaker 2: heart of the problem is the money. Like that's why
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: you know, if you take Israel for example. That's why
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: there is disproportionate impact. And by the way, obviously the
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: Israel lobby is not just you know, Jewish Americans, is
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: not just Israeli Americans.
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  Speaker 3: There's the evangelical the most rock.
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  Speaker 2: Solid part of it is actually the Christian evangelicals who
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: you know, have this like end Times ideology that.
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  Speaker 3: Israel is wrapped up in. They're the most solid support.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that there's been such an influx of money,
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: that you have such a large amount of dollars behind
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: the Israel lobby is what gives it its power. If
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: they were just random citizens like everyone else, with a
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: vote an impact on our elections as everyone else, then
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, it's true.
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  Speaker 2: And then I mean, same thing with the same thing
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  Speaker 2: with you know, the same thing with the Iranians, same
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  Speaker 2: thing with the Cubans, and especially in these localized areas
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  Speaker 2: where they're able to you know, really pool their resources
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  Speaker 2: and elect the candidates that they want. That's what gives
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: them disproportioned money. It all disproportion power. It really all
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  Speaker 2: comes back to the money.
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  Speaker 1: It is, but it's also like a critical mass, and
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: like if you have a critical mass of a swing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coalition whose soul it's like Ukraine. I mean
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  Speaker 1: JD said this recently, was like some TPUSA event and
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: some guy came up to him, was like, what are
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: you going to do for my country? Is Ukrainian American?
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: He's like, it's not your country, dude, Like you're not
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be from there. Like it's a problem, and
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: that's not a money thing that it's I live in
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  Speaker 1: this neighbor there's a bunch of Ukrainians who live in
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  Speaker 1: my neighborhood, and they have Ukrainian flags and everything is
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: park again. I love the sign parking for Ukraine's only.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to figure it out for four
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  Speaker 1: years what that means, Just like you care more about
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine than the neighborhood that we live in right now,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think you should be here. I really don't.
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  Speaker 1: And this applies to Ukraine, Cuba, Nicaragua, Iran, Israel. Anybody's
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  Speaker 1: got dual loyalty you think about.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: It's a big think about Iran, for example, Like there's
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: no reason for Donald Trump to care about an expat
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: population that lives in California largely. I mean, obviously there
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: are Iranian Americans all over the country, but that is
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: where the largest concentration is, right, there is zero political
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  Speaker 2: reason for him to care about that outside of money donated.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: And beyond that, then you have to add in the
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: military industrial complex. We're gonna talk about Palenteer, the interest
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  Speaker 2: they have in continued warfare, and so really, really, really,
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  Speaker 2: the root of the problem is the money that flows
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  Speaker 2: through our city ges.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: But without that, you don't.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Have the same incentive to get constantly into these wars.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Yes and no, but I think it just ignores the
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: cultural aspect of what I'm trying to get at, Like,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: we should not allow people to come here who clearly
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: cannot abandon their loyalties to foreign lands. And look, I
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: would apply that to Islam. I would apply that to Islamism.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I would apply that which I think is incompatible with
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Western values. I would also apply it for anybody who
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: wants to accuse me of race to Jewish supremacism, or
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: anybody who believes in Israeli values. I really do. Look.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: The Theodore Roosevelt quote about hyphenated America, I believe is
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: fundamentally true. He said it at a time of ethnic
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: conflagration and problems or with Western Europe World War One.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, the reason why many of these laws like
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: the Sedition Act or Alien Enemies Act traced back to
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: World War One. We had massive amounts like Okay, I'm
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: not saying we should have been fighting in the first place,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: but you had all these Irish people who were furious
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: that we were fighting on behalf of the brit of
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: the British monarchy, right. And then you also had all
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: these Germans who were still loyal basically to the Kaiser.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: They didn't want to go and so that's a problem,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Like you can't have a society full of all of
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: these ethnic groups which are basically still loyal to their homelands.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should be allowed to come here
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: if you're not going to renounce that. I would say
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: that for Indians too. I know a lot of Indians
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: who are fury they love Trump. There's this huge group
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: of Indians who love Trump because he hates Pakistan. And
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, what, like, leave your bullshit. If you want
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to hate Pakistan, be my guest, go back to India
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and vote for Mody. But you're supposed to come here
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and actually, you know, advocate for your children, or your grandchildren,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the rest of your citizens. Like that's what I believe.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And so that's where I really disagree with this idea
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that we can't screen immigrants or others people who refuse
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to assimilate, because lack of assimilation is not just you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: people who are concerned about culture and any of that,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: which I think is legitimate, especially with lack of English,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: but it does lead to this like this, uh, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: this ethnic hijacking of the high s elements of our
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: government for whichever purpose this rich immigrant group happens to
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: be able to exert influence politics money.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, what you're also talking about.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's about voting, swing notes, it's about influence.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: It is about those things as well, but predominantly in
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: our democracy, the thing that makes it run is money.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: And if you deal with that, then you know.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: You have their voices are equal to other voices and competing.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a reason why Muslim Americans have not
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: had as much sway and influence as the pro Israel lobby.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: And it's all about where the concentration of money in
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: politics has come from. And then also, like I said,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the military does her complex. But here's the other thing
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that I would say is that you should, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: you should be pleased to note that studies show that
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: assimilation today happens much more rapid clip than back during
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the time of you're talking about being worried about German
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and Irish immigrants.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Et cetera.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: We have such a well integrated multi racial population that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: even some of our Nazis are you know, biracial, mixed
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: race and various minorities. So you know, true assimilation, I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: think is happening in front of our eyes. And I mean,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I hate to even take this Chip Roy thing seriously
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: because he's talking What he's talking about is just purely
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: inane and is not vetting for even any sort of
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: like ethnic commitment or whatever you would want to see.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It's about him defining I don't like, you know, socialism,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: is that medicare for all? Like is that free public childcare?
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's the way that he would think about it,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: and that is completely insane. He's not just talking about
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: vetting incoming immigrants. He's also talking about people who are
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: here who are citizens, I agree, being denied citizenship because
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: they're socialists, because they're members of the DSA, because they
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: have some view that Chip Roy finds to be abhorrent,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and so I don't even like to like validate that
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: view by making an alternative case for a completely different
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: piece of legislation that you would be interested in.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I just
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: think it's I have a look. I have watched, you know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: with great fear, as the tide has moved to where
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I think we will have mass levels of migration for
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: decades now to come, and we are going to deal
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: with ethnicism of probably the most historic degree in the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: history of the United States. We're already at the same
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: levels we were and World War One. And I do
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: think that people who share your politics and that should
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: have to grapple with what's that going to mean? We
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: will have mass amounts of foreigners, like we have millions
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: of people who came here in the last decade from
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: El Salvador or from Central America. Are they going to get,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you know, upset about some shit going on in El
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Salvador And if they start advocating for us to go
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to war, like that's a real problem for.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Me, Well then maybe what we've seen it with Cuba,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: then maybe what we.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Should do is stop you know, like doing regime change
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and random place stanctioning places going into Cuba, just trying
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to destroy Iran and Syria, et cetera. I mean, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: would might be much more in favor of most people
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: want to be able to stay where they're from.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Immigration is not an easy thing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: As you're you know, your family and sure can attest
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to it's most people want to be able to stay
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: in their culture and where they're from. But it is
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the US which is the at this point in the world,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the primary force that creates these refugees.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, but you see this is where I like,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: El Savador is safer than here. I would be safer
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to walking the streets of Lstalvador in the streets of Washington, DC.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: That's empirically true. Whenever it comes to crime rates.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like, I mean, the biggest migration crisis that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: has upended politics in recent years is not actually here.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: It's in Europe with.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Syria, and we are, you know, like holy to blame
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: for largely to blame, I should say, to blame what's
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: going on, but we go along with it. Yeah, So
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: in any case, you know, and that's what we're recording
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: in Iran, right now with a much larger country is Israel.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Once a serious situation in Iran, which would be utter
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: does catastrophe obviously for the runne and people first and foremost,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: but you know, Israel wouldn't be the ones that are
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: having to take the refugees as people fled from the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: destruction that was caused by US and by Israel. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: in any case, let me get to these couple other
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: news stories here with regard to the attack on anti Semitism,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: We've got some indications here.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Put E two up on the screen.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: You know, the US is set to host the World Cup,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that Trump's anti Semitism envoy is saying that the US
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: is going to bar World Cup attendees who are tied
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to anti Semitism abroad. So Rabbi Yehuda Kaplun, the US
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Special Envoy for Monitoring and Combating Anti Semitism, which why
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: do we have that anyway, said this week that the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: US will bar individuals from attaining the World Cup who
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: are accused of fostering anti Semitism in their home countries.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: The President and the Secretary of State, he said, have
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: made it perfectly clear that people who want to so
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: discord in this country not welcome here. People want to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: bring their brand of hate to the US with anti Semitism,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: are not welcome. Coming to this country is a privilege,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it's not a right. His comments potential ban first reported
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: by Euractive, which said he told a European Jewish Association
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: conference in Brussels the US was holding countries accountable for
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: ministers who are saying things and they are not being
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: allowed into the country. So I don't know what this
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: means exactly and what this process is going to entail,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: but you can easily imagine an analysis of social media.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: You know, these are the sort of things that pre
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: AI would not be possible. Now it would be easy
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: to do to go and pull someone's social media history
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and look through and see if they've ever said from
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, right,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: or you know, even something that's even that's like genuinely
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: off color that they find to be problematic. But we
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: know in Germany you get arrested if you say from
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the river to the sea. So there was a video
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: clip that went viral of a police officer telling a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: lady like I'm going to have to rescue if you
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: say that forbidden phrase again, and she said, well what
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: if I said from the river to the beach, And
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: he's like, no, you still can't say it. So is
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that what we're talking about here is screening people for
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: wrong think on Israel, no other country, right, there's no
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: other prohibition, just on whether or not you have the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: right politics with regard to this one country.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we seem determined to keep the FIFA World Cup
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: like the lowest attended one possible. Maybe I'm wrong, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: No, Apparently already hotel sales are way down, ticket sales
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: are down like it's not going on, and US tourism
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: overall is way down.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: That I know.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's some benefits of that. It's easier for
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: some of us to nash parks.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: But I'm reading here, and first of all, I recently
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I just learned from this article that the Rudy Juliani's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: son appears to be the executive director of the White
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: House FIFA World Cup Task Force, Andrew Juliani.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: That's a boat of confidence. Certainly had no idea.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Look, I think that remember all the World Cup criticism
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that we had with Qatar. I guess we want to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: be quitar now.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: Qatar.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Remember there was that guy, Well, he died or something
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: weird circumstances after he had worn he wore like a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: day Pride shirt. We covered it here on the show
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to a game. His family claims he died of natural causes,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: just saying, but yeah, I think he was.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: The banning all any sort of expressions of like gay pride.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Or gay pride. Yeah, look nuts, I care all that much.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: About Yeah, but you should I do, and you should
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: be able to express what you think.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: For me, it was like, hey, are we allowed to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: talk about migrant workers in Qatar? Guess what? That wasn't allowed.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: There were all kinds of weird like press. I mean,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it just drives me nuts of like whitewashing what these
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: countries are having lived there, I know he exactly what
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: they are. They these are very literal mod Yeah, they
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: were a lot of qataris a lot of people who
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I went to school with in guitar in the royal family.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Furious I hadn't heard from him ten years. They're pissed
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: off about it, don't care. But it's interesting to me.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I think that they seem fully committed to this and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the whole world and even this I find difficult.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Should we care what the world thinks of us?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yes? No, A lot of Europeans have been snobs about
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Americans for many decades, and it's not like they have so.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Much to stand up for.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: But I think with the anti Semitism piece, even though
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Europe does it too adopting it, just chose a level
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of like subservience to this foreign state, which is bizarre
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and strange and intolerable for the American population. It also
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: makes everybody else around the world just be like, I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: don't understand this because it's so foreign to their.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Own antithetical to the you know, some of the parts
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: of America that are the things that I'm most proud
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of in this country, like freedom of speech, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's supposed to be a grand tradition and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: core value here, et cetera, and so on. Behalf of
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: this country, we are curtailing our own undermining our own rights.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: It makes no sense. And speaking of that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: This is a crazy, crazy story that is unfolding down
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in Florida. This college student has been arrested for a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: joke she made in a private group chat involving net Yahoo.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: This is a local news report. Let's go ahead and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: take a listen to that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: In a WhatsApp group chat of about two hundred and
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: fifteen students where students were discussing an event that was
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: to take place Friday at the Ocean Bank Convocation Center
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: on campus to make their capstone presentations, ANFU police officer
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: read some of the statements in court.
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: The exact words utilized was there's going to be a
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: bomb in the Ocean and Convocations Center and it's going
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: to be at Jonathan's fault. One of the members in
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: the chat.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: Seven News obtaining some bits of that chat, it seemed
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: the student wanted the event rescheduled and wrote, quote, then Yahoo,
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: if you can hear me, drop some bonbonds for US
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: capstone students in Ocean Bank Convention Center. Other students wrote
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: they didn't take that text lightly. She later in the
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: chat wrote quote, I wrote a dumb joke that should
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: not have been made.
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: I can understand your position, Miss Corey, and you're saying
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: this is a joke, But to an objective person, it's
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: not a joke, and there would be enough for probable cause.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying it's enough for beyond your reasonable debt.
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: I don't know what the state's going to be able
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: to prove it trial, But for purposes of this hearing,
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: I believe there is enough for probable cause.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, drop some bomb. What are we doing?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Like obviously what you think this is a credible threat?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? I mean, it's just insane.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Who's this judge? I don't know this judge just elected.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: It's a good question.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know, But I mean for the charge to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: be made to begin with insane some stupid joke made
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: in in a private group chat on WhatsApp where she's
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: clearly referring to the fact that natanyall like bombs everywhere
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and she saw some things she wanted to reschedule, like hey,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: hook a girl up and help us get this resk.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Like it's clearly you could think it's not a funny
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: joke or wasn't good in taste?
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Who cares? Who cares?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: You really think this girl is like in touch with
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: NETNYA who to bomb this center?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Or what?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: It's insane.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: A threat is supposed to be, you know, clear, incredible
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and actionable, like that you have a time and a
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: place and the ability and means to carry it out,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and so you're going forward to singing the chart she's charged,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and then this judge doesn't immediately throw this out just
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: complete in sandy.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to find out more about these judges.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Nothing will give you less faith in the judicial system
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: than actually learning anything about it. Now, you know, if
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: there's all this stuff about you know, the Constitution and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: your rights, and then you learn about some of these
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: judges and the bullshit that they allow to go through.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: This woman is literally charged with threats to kill or
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: do bodily harm with prejudice, and as bond set at
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. So I mean the fact she's in
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: an orange jumpsuit. Sorry, nuts, already, we're way beyond anything
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: which is remotely acceptable. So and if anybody has a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: contact for legal defense or anything, let us know, send
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: us an email. Maybe we'll send us some money. I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: will pledge to send her some money for her legal
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: defense if somebody from her team can get in touch.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: All right, should we get to Palenteer Turning down to Pollenteer,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: A selection from Alex Karp's book The Technological Republic has
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: gone viral recently, igniting a lot of debate. Let's go
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: ahead and put this up here on the screen from Pallenteer.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: They say, the technological brief, tractical, logical republic in brief,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Silicon Valley owes a moral debt to the country that
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: made its rise possible. We must rebel against the tyranny
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of apps. Three. Free email is not enough. Four. The
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: limits of soft power of soaring rhetoric alone have been exposed.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Five.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The question is not whether AI weapons will be built,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It is who will build them and for what purpose?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Six, National service should be a universal duty.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Seven.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: If the US Marine asked for a better rifle, we
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: should build it, And the same goes for software.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Eight.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Public servants need not be our priests. Let's continue, shall we?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Nine We should show far more grace towards those who
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: subject themselves to public life.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: We need less.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Psychologicalization of modern politics is leading us astray. True, our
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: society has grown too eager to hasten and is often
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: gleeful at the demise of its enemies. Twelve, the atomic
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: age is ending.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: Thirteen.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: No other country in history of the world has advanced
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: progressive values more than this one. Fourteen American power has
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: made possible an extraordinarily long piece. Fifteen. The post war
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone. Sixteen, we
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: should applaud those who attempt to build where the market
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: has failed to act. Seventeen Silicon Valley must play a
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: role in addressing violent crime. And then we have a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: few more. The ruthless exposure of private lives of public
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: figures drives far too much talent away from government service.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: The caution in public life that we unluittingly encourage is corrosive.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: The pervasive intolerance of religious beloe in certain circles must
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: be resisted. Some cultures have produced vital advances, others remain
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: dysfunctional and regressive. And twenty two we must resist the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: shallow temptation of vacant and hollow pluralism. So each of
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: these have their own epigraph. I guess you would say,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I chose funny anyone all twenty two many, our most
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: many are notable. I would say the single, the one
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that has gotten the most attention, is number six. National
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: service should be a universal duty. We should as a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: society seriously consider moving away from an all volunteer force
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  Speaker 1: and only fight the next war if everyone fights in
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the shares of risk and at the cost you know
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: what's funny is I made that exact point to you. However,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I think that there's a little bit of a difference
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: between a company which gets government contracts for more than
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a guy who's a YouTuber who's I was trying to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: make a philosophical point, which is, if the nation should
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: be at war, then everybody should be eligible for a draft. Everyone,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: no rich, nobody should be able to buy their way out.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And that means that when you go to war, the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: society has to be so bought in that if they're not,
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  Speaker 1: people will literally riot. Like think about what you would
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  Speaker 1: do or I would do if we were in a
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  Speaker 1: war like the Iran War. What's the really inconvenience? We've
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: all been cast gas. Okay, it's bad, but if my
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: life was on the line or your kids are on
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the line, I will literally do anything. And so we're
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: most people to make sure that that doesn't happen. I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: think that that is an incentive. I think the all
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Volunteer Force actually enables people to do these ridiculous foreign
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: adventures like Iraq and Afghanistan and basically bribe working class
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  Speaker 1: Americans who may or may not know better, or who
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: get tricked or whatever into doing it, and then they
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: go over and they have no idea even necessarily what
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: they've signed up for, or they're into deep once it's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: already happened. So that's why I think that's a real
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: different story for me to say that than compared to
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  Speaker 1: a volunteer.
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  Speaker 6: Is saying that's a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: That's the other thing is you look at all of
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: this and you're like, oh, that's very convenient for your
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: bottom line. I'm sure you would love for Germany and
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Japan to fully remilitarize and destroy the you know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Completely obliterates the end of World War Two.
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  Speaker 1: Why are the left is to have so much beef
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: with that one? I agree with that, totally restore the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: non nuclear Germany and Japan has turned them into US vassals.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Like Germany, especially Japan, Japan is way better off with
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, and we don't need to have all these
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: bases over there. They can defend themselves against North Korea.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Then we can purely have a trading relationship. Obviously, I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: trust them, I think everybody else I would give them
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a nuclear weellest.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing is the logic of the world that
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the US has created argues in favor of basically every
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: country nuclear weapons.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Do I think that is a good thing?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's terrible that we're you know, we
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: are now in an era where increasing nuclear proliferation is
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: inevitable because of the logic that we have created. There's
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: no doubt about that. Do I think that's a good thing. No,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good thing. And then to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: have it come again, I mean, I feel like it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit the way you feel about the draft,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: you know, which if there was a draft for a
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: military technology company whose bottom line is dependent on us
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: being in forever war and selling tech chnology also to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Israel and also to German and also to Japan and
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: all these other countries you know that they see as
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: part of Western civilization or whatever, for their bottom line
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: is dependent on that thing. And then well, conveniently, they
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: have a manifesto that argues in favor of endless war,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: never being able to coexist with anyone, you know, increasing
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: militarization of countries that have as of to this point,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: you know, spent less on their military.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Just look at that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: That's very convenient for you, and you're going to enlist
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: our entire population to fight these endless wars that you
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: yourselves profit from. It's disgusting, but I mean, regardless of
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: how you think about all of these individual points, my
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: biggest takeaway is just like these people have to be checked,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Like they're like, who are you, paalainteer to come out
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: and tell us we should have a draft? Who are
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you to come out and sell these are our guiding
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: principle philosophy. No no, no, no no, you are subordinate
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to the American people. You should be you should be
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: subordinate to, you know, a government that has the interest
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: of American people in mind. And instead the people who
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: are profiting off of these endless conflicts are the ones
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: who are increasingly drive the train. And the piece about
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: AI obviously is very scary and dystopian. They're like, look,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: AI weapons are inevitable, so just suck it up and
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you know, relax and enjoy pallunteer basically deciding who gets
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: deliver or die.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: That's the view that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Comes from here, which again is like terrifying. And there
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: is a level of inevitability to AI. They're right when
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: they say it matters who owns it and how it's deployed,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: which is exactly why we need to trim the sales
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: of these companies and get them under control, because right
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: now they are driving the train much more so, and
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: their ideology is dominant, much more so than what the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: American people would want to see.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny. One that got no attention, but
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: which I disagreed with the most is the atomic Age
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: is ending. I could not disagree more. Like he said,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: one age of deterrence. The atomic age is ending, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the new era of deterrence is built on AI. No,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: it's not. Iran doesn't have AI and they don't need it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: They have literally oil and they have the straits.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Of w Graves.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what does Russia have. They don't have a ton
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of AI. They have nuclear weapons. They have a shitload
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of oil. That's literally all you need.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: It's again completely self servida.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: What are you talking about?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: The atomic age is never been more relevant than ever before.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: North Korea doesn't have AI and they don't need it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: They all they have is ICB. They literally murdered like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a huge chunk of their population via famine just to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: achieve a nuclear weapon, and they won. They don't need
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: AI to deter anything. They're fine. The Kim regime will
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: survive long after I am dead. I am firmly planting
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that flag right here. They will survive forever, and they
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: don't need AI to do it. That's where this is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: very self serving obviously, is about AI in the way
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that we need to build these new tools. Like I've
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: never disagreed more like with the idea. I think that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: really what's transparent from the Iran war is energy matters
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: above all. Number two is weapons that are cheap and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: easily accessible, like our aircraft carrier systems are. You know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: we've become the Germans in the Japanese with their super
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: high precision machines which have to be serviced all the time,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: when we were the nation of the B seventeen, which
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: just rolls these fuckers off of the assembly line and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: can just pour them into the war. It doesn't matter
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: if somebody's breaking the sound barrier or not. Like we're
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: good to go because we just have a ton of them.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Like I think we've inverted and become the highly inefficient
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: system and volunteer these guys manifesto. It's like I said,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: like I agree with some of it, I disagree with
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: some of it, but it really I don't know. I
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: mean they see themselves as this philosopher kings who are
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: building the tech and using and pushing this ideological agenda.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's like a privatization of this type of debate,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: which should happen not only in a public sphere, but
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: by people who are have a vested interest in the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: who don't have a vested interest monetarily in what they're
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: talking about. So let's give good examples of like the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: so called like you know, intellectual titans and all of
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: them of the p I'll pick a leftist one like
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Henry Wallace, right, Henry Waller, who was FDR's you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: vice president. He was somebody who was much more of
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: a pacifist, but he didn't have a financial stake necessarily.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Or even some of the major Hawks in the Second
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: World War in the cabinet, they really believed this from
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: an intellectual perspective. They didn't have a financial interest necessarily
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: in the war continuing. They just were statesmen, you know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a great statesman who had ideas about the world. You
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: could say a lot of shit about Kissinger, but he
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: was not rich before he got into He became very
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: rich afterwards. But you know, before he went into government,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Like he was just the Harvard professor who was had
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: these ideas about nuclear weapons and about the US, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that caught Nixon's attention. Like these philosophers and these guys
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: with ideas Atchison and others, they came up through the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: bureaucracy and the government. They were not multi billionaires who
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: had companies which stood to potentially profit. And I think
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: that's where the big disconnect has to come from more than.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean your point on the aipiece that atomic
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: age is over. Now we're in the age of AI
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: deterrence Again, Why is it self serving for them to
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: hold that view? Because what that argues is in favor
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: of Look, you know, our adversaries are developing AI, so
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: we have to You may have some reluctance, The population
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: may have some reluctance, but we have to charge forward
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: no matter what. This is where you have to invest
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: all of your money and all of your you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: all of your time and your bandwidth and capacity needs
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to go. We need to strip away all the regulations
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: so we can do whatever we want whenever we want.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: That's what that argues for, and it sets up this
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: sort of like clash of civilizations conflict between the US
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and most likely China, you know, and frames it as
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: this inevitable outcome, and this was we could put our
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: nover trans responses which typically you know as as is
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: typical for him, is very thoughtful, but one of the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: things he talks about here he says they basically promote
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: a clash of civilization worldview in which there exists a ay,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the supposed enemies of Western civilization, whose cultures the document
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: codes as inferior, and we who must stop indulging in
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: decadent restraint and invest massively in AI weapons and offense software,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: which conveniently makes Pallenger's product catalog the civilization will cure.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Look at point four, for instance, they write that the
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: limits of soft power, a soaring rhetoric alone, have been exposed.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: The ability of free and democratic society to prevail requires
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: something more than moral appear Peel. It requires hard power,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: and hard power in the central will be built on software.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I believe we have another terror sheet here we can
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: put on it all rests on a pretty massive assumption
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that coexistence is impossible. Why would free and democratic societies
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: by which they obviously mean Western style liberal democracies need
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to quote prevail. Why can't they simply coexist with other
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: civilizations or political systems that are out there?
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Nowhere in the.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Document that do they defend this assumption. It is simply
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: asserted as the starting condition of the argument, and that
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: really gets to the heart of they position themselves. The
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: way he says it a pallentteer is you're, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: ready made, handy dandy civilization cure. All you have to
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: do is give us all the contracts, strip away all
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the regulations, you know, create a draft so that your
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: people are ready to fight the wars that we want
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: to get into, and we're off to the races. And
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: that's really when I look at this from a I
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: guess materialist perspective, you can just see them pursuing their
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: bottom line throughout this entire document.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: That's why it's not a trustworthy messenger. I even agree
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: with some of the points. I mean, I agree, you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, look, I like our No. I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: think he's a little you know, he's a little different.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He's got more your worldview than I do. Let's say, though,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Let's say though, that we do agree. Let's say that,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you know, we should make it and invest massively. Would
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you invest in AI after this conflict? I'll tell you
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: about a project I learned of recently from a good
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: friend of mine. It's called the North Slope Proposed Pipeline
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: in Alaska. It would cost forty to fifty billion, which
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: is why nobody wants to do it. Coincidentally, that's less
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: than the entire or On war has cost.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: The proposal is to bring all the oil from the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Arctic Circle down to Anchorage, and then all of it
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: would be bought by Japan and South Korea. Sounds like
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: a pretty good idea, doesn't it. That's exactly what we
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: should be doing instead of this bullshit like more AI
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: data centers. No, if we just lived through the worst
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: we are living through the worst energy crisis of our lifetime.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: We destroyed Japan and South Korea, we could phenomenon. We
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: could make Alaska rich even richer because they all get
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: dividends from it, and we can sell all this oil
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: or a natural gas. I think to Japan and the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: South Korea, great idea. Why don't we do it? Why
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: does nobody even talk about this stuff. We haven't built
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: an oil refinery in this country since nineteen seventy three.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: We haven't built a new nuclear power plant, one nuclear
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: power plant in over fifty years. Nobody even discusses this
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: same with solar and renewables. I'm not saying it's bad.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I'd be willing to throw a whole lot of money
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: into it, but like, what are we doing? Like even
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in terms of the grid, it's brittle. There's so many problems.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you look at the way you know,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: people get mad at me for glazing China, but like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I cannot help but look in despair when
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I look at Jaumi cars and BYD cars and trains
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that go two to three hundred miles per hour, Like
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: that's how you become a strong And it's definitely like
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: maybe AI will play a part inefficiency, but for me,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: it's the hard stuff for concrete, it's the oil, it's energy.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It's making it so that life here is abundant and
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: cheap and easy to live. Like where that's not? Yeah,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: where things are right?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: What's your point? You know on the the AI versus
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: atomic and.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: The world we live in would not disagree with that more.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I think of what has been revealed where we're headed
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: with the Iran war. It's the reassertion of like geography
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: as a prime determiner.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't even say reassertion. It's always been there.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: What the greatest gift is this.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Geography exactly that we're you know, isolated over here.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: We got two oceans.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Everybody that is a threat, you know, as far away,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: so it's hard to hit us. We don't deal with
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the you know, when we destroy Syria, we're not the
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: ones dealing with the refugee cart etcetera.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: You're right, but it has really made.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Itself known in terms of this conflict because Iran is like,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: we've got cheap drones, we have a mountainous terrain that
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: will be very difficult for you to penetrate, and we
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: have this position on the strait of Hormoose.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: And you know what with those three things, check me exactly.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: That's it, checked me, right, and other countries around the world,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: if which looks very likely Iran is able to maintain
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a new status quo that is profitable for them where
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: they control the straight of horror moves. I mean, that
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: is the new reality. Other countries are going to do
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the same thing. They're going to look at the same thing.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: So it's sort of a regression to the era of like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: you know, piracy, and before we had this ability as
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: the US to project our power all around the globe,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: et cetera. So so not only is there things self serving
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: dystopian they have far too much power, but also they're
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: just like wrong about where we are.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I think they're totally I don't think that AI will
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: determine our future. I think you know, Peter Tile famously
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: coined that term the worlds of bits and atoms.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Ever been more relevant today. Like this globalized fantasy is fake.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: China is stronger in this iround conflict because it has
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: massive amounts of oil in its reserves. It has a
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: global helium reserve. Who guess which country gave up it's
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: a helium reserve in the nineteen nineties to pay off
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: New Gingrich's obsession with debt. Oh, you guessed it, the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: United States of America. Like that's our problem is we
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: don't have nearly enough actual stuff and instead all of
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: our wealth is tied up and what idea stock and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: all this other bullshit Like this could literally pop my guy.
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: At any moment.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, at this right now, we're in the
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: world's worst energy crisis.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: What's the stock market?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: If the stock market is up today, I mean technically
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it is a reflection of its reality. But it's not
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: a reflection of our reality. That's the problem with our society.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: So anyway, that's my take. Build the North South pipline.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right, Ama, Let's get to it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you allmer watch for watching.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: We appreciate it.