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Modern Bowhunter Class will SAVE archery | Crazy wildlife encounters ft. Towson Jenkins · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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  We got my guy Towson on the pod. What's up buddy?
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  Dude, so you are AUS army shooter?
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  Tell me about that dude. I, I took a big hiatus from
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  shooting for about 7-8 years. I used to shoot quite a bit and
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  compete and then I took like an 8 year break and the Army team,
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  I was just sitting on my computer one day and I just sent
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  out an e-mail and it was like an all call e-mail and they're like
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  audition for the Army team. And I was like, well, we'll give
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  her hell and ended up making it. So there's currently four of us
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  on the team out of everybody in the Army.
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  So yeah, it was exciting, got picked up and now I get to go
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  travel and shoot and have the Army pay for it.
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  So it's great, yeah. That sounds like a dream, no?
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  Exactly. So yeah.
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  So how many events do you get to do like annually on that
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  program? So this is my first year, I've
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  done NFA national so far. Vegas is my second shoot.
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  Hopefully we're going to get down, do a couple of essays and
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  probably the one in Can't Mendon in Louisiana, and then we'll
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  probably do the one in Kentucky too.
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  So probably get at least three or four.
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  I am doing the bow hunter shoot in August at the ASA so that's
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  hence the reason of shooting all bow hunter setup for everything
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  this year. So I plan to see you at that
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  one. I'm excited for that.
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  Like I think for the sport as a whole, that's a really good idea
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  for an event because it's an approachable thing that anyone
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  can throw their hat in the ring. You don't have to have a $5000
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  target rig. Like dude, target bows are
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  expensive. When I when I started to price
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  out my bow, I'm like this sucker is expensive.
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  So like, you could go with a bear Alaskan XD and give
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  yourself a shot, you know what I mean?
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  No. Well, and that's, I mean, that's
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  why everybody's got to eventually migrate that way,
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  because target bows don't sell boats, right.
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  So for a boat on EU industry, yeah, we don't, we don't sell
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  bows here. Everybody buys a hunting boat
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  and 90% of your people out there can't afford to buy a 2 or $3000
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  hunting boat and then go buy a five $6000 target rig, full rig
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  and rig it out and then travel and compete and stuff like that.
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  So I think I think it's huge. I think them going to a all
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  hunting setup is going to, I mean, it's going to open doors
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  because like as a consumer, if you're sitting there watching a
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  guy pound A330X with a target bow, you're like, cool, he's got
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  the target, the lens, the sight, everything.
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  But you watch a guy go do it with an arc 34, you know, or a
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  bow tech proven 34, whatever, you know what I mean?
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  Like you're also like, oh, wow, that bow shoots really good.
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  Like I'm going to look at buying that.
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  So it's just going to do nothing but sell way more bows for
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  actual hunting companies I think.
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  It's going to blow the that shoot, that one that's happening
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  in August is going to blow the industry's mind as far as like
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  how? Because like you said, the
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  majority of bows sold are hunting bows.
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  So if a hunter then can walk in with their hunting rig, they
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  don't got to go buy another one and can come when becoming a pro
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  in that category $10,000 in the weekend.
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  You know how many people are going to start flocking to ASA
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  shoot with their hunting? Rig.
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  That's contributing money to the archery industry.
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  That means more bows are going to sell because more people want
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  to enter the sport with their hunting rig to make money on
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  that weekend and try and win. I think it's going to be mind
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  blowing to them to see what it does.
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  Well, not known 45 class, the bow hunter class is it's already
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  growing and getting bigger. And I know there's been talks of
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  it, but they're talking about doing a pro bow hunter class.
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  And it's like they get to that point in the ASA and you have
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  have like the open pro shoot down and then you have the bow
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  hunter shoot down and they like film and like broadcast that
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  live. I mean, the bow cells are going
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  to go through the roof. Like that's where they'll sell
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  their bows. Dude, for sure.
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  And it's, you know, I think archeries is like actually a
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  pretty good spot right now. I mean, if you just think about
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  stuff like how big this Vegas shoot is, how big all the tacks
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  are, how big boat disciples challenge is, how big this ASA
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  is going to be like, and how many people are making really
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  good content about archery that is bringing in outsiders.
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  Like that's why it's so cool to see so many people that we know
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  and just watch their ascension as far as like viewership and
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  and growing and growing and growing.
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  And that's good because the more creators there are and the more
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  of them that get bigger and reach out of the niche and pull
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  people in, all that's going to do is help our sport.
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  And you know, I know you're like me and you're a big, big hunter
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  just like I am. I've always said I think it's so
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  important to get more and more hunters at least into the sport.
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  I know it sucks we're going to draw less tags and stuff.
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  But dude, you look at all these states that are actively trying
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  to ban hunting. The only way we're going to have
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  a fight is if we have more people to sign that value.
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  You look at Colorado, Colorado's try to get rid of everything and
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  they just passed the one for fur trading where they're
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  essentially going to ban trapping in Colorado.
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  So it's, yeah, it's always an an endangered sport where people
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  are always trying to get rid of it.
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  Activists don't understand that like, hunters contribute more to
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  hunt or to animal and taking care of wildlife and taking care
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  of, you know, national parks and any other organization in the
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  world, they contribute way more every single year.
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  And so if hunters go away, national parks go away, animals
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  go away, we don't have the ability to, you know, provide
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  funding for science or anything like that.
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  And all of a sudden birds and everything are done.
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  So hundreds of the number one contributors in the.
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  Tax dollars that are paying for the conservation, like I don't
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  think people even understand that our our tag money that we
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  pay for our tag, our license, all of that goes directly to
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  that conservation. Hello.
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  Hello. We have a guest on the pod,
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  Nyla. We got Nyla.
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  On a live. Pod Nyla coming in as a guest.
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  I love it dude, I'll come talk to you in a bit.
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  First time I've actually even met her in person.
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  Yeah, we have. This is so fun.
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  Right now. Dude see This is why I like
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  doing pods in this environment because personally I like to
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  having people around having a vibe dude it.
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  Was just like when we were shooting just Barry.
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  I mean, you got Joel, you got Greg coming up all everybody
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  coming up and talking and how. Yeah, it's fun.
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  So dude, what's up? Back on the hunting topic a
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  little bit is like my favorite animal to hunt has always been
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  and I think it's what I'm best at doing is spot and stock mule
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  deer hunting. That's what my bread and butter
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  and especially in the desert is my favorite.
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  What's your favorite animal to hunt and your favorite style to
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  hunt? Mule deer spawn stock, hands
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  down has always been my favorite.
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  I I I'm fortunate to grow up in Wyoming where we have a
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  phenomenal mule deer herd, Giants.
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  So I've shot a lot of deer in Wyoming, Idaho, a few in Utah
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  too as well. You know a lot about Wyoming.
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  I'm going to guess something. You know a lot about Prong.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. There you go, that's.
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  That's my SO if you want to talk about the most fun you'll ever
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  have, bow hunting, animal hunting, is it right?
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  So antelope don't wake up early in the morning, like they're not
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  out late at night. You can hunt animals all day
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  long, right? And so the best part about
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  antelope is, is like you'll go blow a stock and like mule deer
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  hunting, it's like you blow a stock on your target buck and
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  he's gone. He's going to timber up and like
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  you won't see him till rifle season.
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  You know what I mean? Like so it's it's like
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  devastating. You blow a stock on your target,
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  mule deer, Longhorn, it's like, oh, I blew that stock.
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  Cool. There's another herd of 40 of
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  them over there. Let's go try for that one.
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  And that one doesn't work. You do like 7080 stocks in a
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  weekend and like, and, and the one that usually works out is
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  where you just like, walk up to the herd near 40 yards and they
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  stand there and look at you and you're like, just dump them.
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  Yeah, but dude, that's all. It's like, it's a riot.
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  It's There's nothing more fun than chasing speed goats for the
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  bow. And dude, that's such good reps
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  too. Like if you're trying to work on
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  your spot and stock hunting skills, because stalking is a
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  skill, it's got to be 100%. And that actually sounds a lot
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  like when I went bow hunting in South Africa, dude, It's the
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  same thing. Like, you know, being mule deer
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  guys. I'm used to glass in the desert
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  for two weeks before I do 1 stalk and it's like, I need to
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  make it happen out there, bro. We're doing like 3 or 4 stalks a
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  day and like that's so many reps, so much practice.
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  Like and it sounds like pronghorn is sort of like.
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  That, you know, it's, it does wonders for your deer hunting
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  and everything like that. Yeah, I went, I went to sniper
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  school and when I got to sniper school, we got to the stocking
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  portion and they're like, you got to get within 300 meters of
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  the truck. I was like, I'm at least to
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  sneak it up to 20. This is going to be great.
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  It was cakewalk. So yeah, no, it it helps out
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  substantially with you and two, probably my next favorite
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  animal, the hunts elk, right? Like I've haunted a lot of elk
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  in my life and and I've gotten to the point where I rarely call
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  anymore. Everything's spot in stock.
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  Like you get in a big bowl that gets into a herd with cows and
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  stuff like it's game over. You blow a bugle and they turn
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  around, they run the other direction.
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  And so I've the past, I don't know, probably 8 or 9 elk I've
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  shot have all been spot stock like it's been since I think the
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  last big bull I called in was like 2016.
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  Otherwise I've killed all my elk spot and stock and I usually
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  shoot 2 bulls a year so. Yeah dude I'm the exact same
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  way. I don't hunt elk as much as you
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  just because like the states that are near me are tough to
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  draw. I've shot 6 bulls with my bow,
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  but I'm the same as you. Like I, I much preferred, I call
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  it bubble hunt them like just like find the cows, find the
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  bowl and I just spend all day just like, and eventually dude,
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  it works out. But you got to put yourself in
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  there for a long period of time and be ready to travel.
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  Dude. I've gone like 8 miles with the
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  herd before, you know, And that's the, that's what I love
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  about elk hunting is it is so much different.
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  Like it's so much different than deer honey.
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  It's a completely different ball game.
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  Like you can get seen by cows and they'll look at you like
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  it's not moving anymore, cool and go back to feed and like
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  they don't bump nearly as hard or as easily as deer like cows
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  when you get in a herd scenario. And it's fun too, right?
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  Like you get to hear them talk, You get to hear them
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  communicate, like, and they start chirping and going nuts
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  and the bulls start screaming like that's the IT gets you
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  amped up. Never heard in my whole life.
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  So like I had never been from the East Coast.
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  Like 1 elk was just kind of. Yeah, non existent.
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  And then you come out to the West and yeah, it started mute
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  deer hunting with him. That was one thing.
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  And then so I finally put in for elk and drew a cow tag in
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  Arizona and we go out and granting I did, I did a lot of
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  stocks. I did more stocks than I thought
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  I was going to do. And just my height, it didn't
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  play to my advantage in the area we were in.
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  There's a lot of brushy low stuff that really made it.
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  It's. Tough Gosh, it was so
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  frustrating. We'd like follow a herd and
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  follow a herd and like I'm like, I what you never I've never hung
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  out with an animal this close for this long and that many of
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  them and then all of a sudden like it just blows up because of
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  whatever and there's just literally zero shot opportunity.
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  But so then we switched to water and holy, I there's a point in
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  the video where I'm shaking so bad because I've never heard
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  these sounds. I didn't know they made the
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  sounds that they make because you always just fear the typical
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  view. It's like now there is so much
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  more going on that once there that sub 100 and you start
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  hearing it. I'm like, he's howling at me.
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  Why the fuck is this? I'm just about to pee myself
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  like at the sounds they're making.
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  And then they just come running in like a stamp.
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  And James told me beforehand, like he warned, this is not a
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  timid deer, like come into the water like they're.
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  Going to Sprint and jump in the. Middle like a friggin herd a
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  horses just straight to the water and it was no joke.
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  That is exactly what they do. The bull ran them straight in
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  and they just run straight into the water like a Stampede and I
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  was just pissing myself at the time like I it was just bad.
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  All common sense went out the freaking window.
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  Like I drew my bow while one was 8 yards away from me staring at
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  me because I had no concept of what was going on anymore.
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  Blew that one up and then I think the next day or two days
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  later I shot it on the same water hole.
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  But it's like elk or just this. There are different beasts
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  there. They're so much fun.
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  I love I love mule deer because the technical side of it right,
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  like I'm I'm hunting. I've never done I've done desert
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  one time in Arizona, but like for me it's always high country,
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  like 12,010 thousand feet elevation in the cliffs and
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  everything is so super technical and you feel like a ninja when
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  you finally get it done. It's so tough and so hard like,
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  but elk like the thing I love about stock and elk and being an
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  elk is it's it's one I'm way more relaxed, but two yeah, it's
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  it's vocal. They're screaming.
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  I'm I'm I've shot 24 with a bow now.
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  They had 24 bulls and like my so I have more fun calling now for
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  people than anything else. And I'll never forget my little
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  sister, the first time I took her out because she's a big
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  rifle hunter. She's like, I want to shoot one
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  of the balls. Like, all right, let's get it
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  done. So we go out there and I called
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  this bull in to like, I don't know, 15 yards.
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  And he's, we're on the edge of the timber and he's sitting
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  right on the edge of it. You can see his legs and you can
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  see antlers through the trees. But I mean, he is just raking
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  and screaming, going bonkers right in front of us.
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  And he's just held up. He doesn't want to come out and
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  this interaction happens for about, I don't know, a solid 2
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  minutes before he turns and walks away.
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  And at the end of that two minutes, I hear she had held her
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  breath for like 2 minutes. Strange.
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  You can hear the arrow on the rest.
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  But yeah, I've taken full grown dudes out before that are like
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  hard guys, right? And like, you get him out there,
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  get him in front of an elk and they just, they get to shake
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  him. I can't control themselves.
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  You don't even know it because all you never get close enough
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  half the time to actually hear those sounds.
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  You hear them from you don't realize how far away that sound
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  actually is. And then when you do hear them,
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  like they did not sound like pleasant.
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  Animals You get a big growler in the timber coming through you
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  just just screech it at you the. Devil is coming at you.
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  It is not nice to. Hear we call the bull last year
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  Satan, because that's what he sounded like, yeah, just he had
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  no top end, just all bottom. Yeah.
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  Coming to a timber. Dude, Elkhart, they're so
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  they're, they're awesome, dude. Like I wish maybe dope to get A
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  tag every year. I mean I have done so I did.
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  I've I've haunted over the counter out three times.
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  I did Utah in 1921 and or 22 and 23 and I got a bowl each time A6
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  by 65 by 6 and a 5 by 5. But other than that I've only
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  haunted Arizona a couple times and New Mexico 1.
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  So I've only, I think I've had an elk tag seven times and I've
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  shot 6. That's impressive.
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  So the only time I didn't shoot 1 was a late season hunt.
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  No, I take it back to two times I didn't shoot one.
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  One was a late hunt in November. And dude, at the time in 2012,
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  my shoulder was so blown out, my health was so bad that I shot at
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  one easy shot and I hit him through the top of the back.
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  And so I should have, should have shot 1.
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  My health was just trashed. And then the other one was an
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  over the counter back when it was in Montana.
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  And dude, it was brutal. The toughest I've ever worked on
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  a hunt. I don't even think I drew the
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  bow once. And I mean, we were grinding for
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  two weeks straight, you know, So I'm, I am proud of that.
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  Like having 6 for 8:00. Though no, that's huge.
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  Like that's the biggest thing with elk hunting is you have to
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  have time in order for you to kill a bull with a bow.
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  Everything has to come together perfectly for sure.
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  It really does. This year was the toughest year
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  for me. It was hot like 85° like I spent
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  almost of elk season in short shorts and no shirt on at camp.
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  I shoot my boat like it was so odd but like I started hunting
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  because I had an Idaho tag and Idaho opens up in August.
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  I started hunting like August 31st.
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  I didn't kill my Idaho bull until like the 14th of August.
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  I only haunted Idaho for two days so I got lucky in Idaho but
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  I haunted from August 31st essentially and I end up killing
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  my Wyoming bull September 27th. Like it took me day near the
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  whole month and I drew back on a bull almost every day of
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  September. Like I was in them every single
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  day and it just the stars never aligned until the last day.
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  I took my nephew out trying to get him a bull and his bull
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  steps out at 70 and I passed like 15 bulls that size already
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  in the season. I mean, I'm like, I'm sorry,
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  bud, we can't get any closer. We're standing on a four Wheeler
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  trail. Like we can't get any closer,
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  bud. And he's like, it's all right.
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  He's like, but you should shoot it.
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  And I'm like Nah. And he's like please.
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  I'm like OK, because he's never seen it to get shot by a bow.
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  So this bull steps out 78 just fricking you just smokes it and
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  my nephews like Oh my gosh I did.
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  This is so cool. Dude, that's actually you opened
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  up a good can of worms. There is the shot distance
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  debate and my perspective is that everyone's talent is
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  different. So like for some people you may
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  only be effectively able to shoot to 20 yards or maybe for
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  some people it's 55. And but some guys I think can
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  ethically shoot 100 and pound a spot every time.
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  But it's like you have to know your limitations and just stick
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  to that. Well, not just your limitations
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  as a shooter, your limitations as far as your equipment goes.
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  Because I may be able to go out and shoot a paper plate at 70
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  yards, but my bow is a lot slower than his bow and it's
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  making sound and the arrows getting seen.
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  Like there's so much more ethically reaction time that
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  that animal can have from the time my arrow takes to get there
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  from his arrow to get at the same distance.
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  So like, is it ethical for me to shoot at 70?
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  Probably not. Where's him?
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  It's a no brainer. It's so I've always told people
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  because I have shot some animals at some distances, right, like I
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  I used to, I used to practice. I still do.
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  I bet you I shoot at least I right now is probably the least
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  I've ever shot and I'm shooting 120 arrows a day.
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  But I used to be to the point where I was shooting 23400
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  arrows a day all day. I was lucky and had 100 yard
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  range Outback where I could go shoot and I could shoot 100
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  every single day. And I used to just sit there and
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  shoot and shoot and shoot. So for elk and last year was the
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  first year I ever took a shot like I'd shot up to that .20
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  something bulls. I'd shot 30 yards and under.
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  Yeah, because elk are big critters and I and I'm not the
• 18:12
  person that shoots once and I'm like, Oh yeah, I hit them good.
• 18:15
  Like I shoot once and it's like there's rapid reason.
• 18:17
  Yeah, I am sending it every porcupine and elk.
• 18:21
  Everyone I know who is a good hunter does the same thing.
• 18:25
  I do the same thing. I don't care.
• 18:26
  I can hit something absolutely piped in the 12 but if he goes
• 18:29
  in the stands off I'm going to shoot him again. 100% My dad
• 18:32
  taught me that since I was a little.
• 18:34
  Kid and when you when you get one in them, it's like that goes
• 18:37
  out the window, right like at that point.
• 18:38
  Yeah, you should. I think it's like.
• 18:40
  I'm going to put as many holes in this thing as physically
• 18:43
  possible. So yeah, I have had, I had one
• 18:44
  follow up shot on an elk that was like 130 and I freaking
• 18:47
  smoked them again. But like, I don't care.
• 18:50
  Like when it gets to that point, I've already shot him good one
• 18:52
  time. I'm going to put as many holes
• 18:54
  in them as like 100%. I watched the dude, I helped a
• 18:56
  guy in Idaho one time and he shot this elk right behind the
• 18:59
  shoulder about where you'd think you want to put it right.
• 19:01
  Shoots this elk and I'm like, put another one in them, put
• 19:04
  another one in them. He's like, he's pumped, He's
• 19:06
  down, he's down. And I'm like, put another arrow
• 19:08
  in them. And I kid you not, this elk
• 19:09
  stands on all fours like this and goes and coughs out like one
• 19:13
  lung, like massive blood clot, like lung material, everything.
• 19:18
  And the elk gets up and runs and we never found him.
• 19:21
  And it was money. I mean right behind the tree
• 19:24
  center. Mask.
• 19:25
  Why not? But he only got 1 lung and elk
• 19:27
  can live on one lung for forever.
• 19:29
  And so, yeah, it's I always put a bunch of arrows in them if I
• 19:32
  if I can. But yeah, it's, it's all
• 19:35
  depending on it depends on the situation, right, Wendy?
• 19:38
  Stuff like that. Because especially on an elk,
• 19:40
  like you hit an elk bad, like they're gone, see you.
• 19:42
  Bye. Good luck finding them.
• 19:44
  I did, I have AI have I have a it's on video.
• 19:47
  I I'm sitting a tree stand. I think also a very good way to
• 19:51
  hunt elk. I'm sitting a tree stand in a
• 19:53
  very low density area. I just like you said, about the
• 19:56
  time I had sat, I had haunted, I think 18 straight days or
• 20:01
  something and I hadn't even seen an elk and it was a second to
• 20:04
  last day. But I'm like, I'm committed to
• 20:05
  this tree. I'm just sitting at I'm, you
• 20:08
  know, mentally you're like, whatever, I'm just, I'm just
• 20:10
  burning. I'm waiting for the season to
• 20:12
  end at this point. Freaking out the bushes, dude,
• 20:15
  comes two nice bowls walking right to it and I'm like, holy.
• 20:20
  Shit, this guy's not out there. I can't.
• 20:21
  Believe there's an elk in front of me and I draw back 18 yards,
• 20:25
  dude. And I mean when you watch the
• 20:27
  video, you'd be like you cannot place the arrow better in them.
• 20:30
  Like it perfect. That elk probably went 3/4 of a
• 20:36
  mile, you know? And it was because when I really
• 20:38
  assessed it, there's there's such big animals that what
• 20:42
  happened was I shot him when his arm was like maybe not back, but
• 20:44
  it was like mid and I hit him like right in the crease, but
• 20:47
  the crease was like mid rib cage because his arm was sort of
• 20:51
  back. And but to your point, he he of
• 20:55
  course, just ran no chance. But that is right there is why
• 20:58
  if you can always shoot. Another shot in no matter how
• 21:02
  good it looks, yeah, no, it's it's always put arrows in them.
• 21:05
  And I tell people that with rifles even, because I've
• 21:07
  watched an elk soak up a 300 win mag when they hit him shoulder
• 21:09
  bone and elk absorbed it and kept going like, yeah, you can
• 21:14
  get a, you can get another shot in and put it in them.
• 21:16
  That is a pro tip. Yeah, that is a pro tip,
• 21:18
  Antelope. Now, on the other hand.
• 21:19
  When you shoot a speed go, they're like you shoot them once
• 21:22
  and they're like, ow, I'm hurt and they just lay down and
• 21:24
  they're like just shoot me like, yeah, they're not.
• 21:26
  They're not tough. Super tough dude.
• 21:28
  Everything I'm hearing just sounds like.
• 21:30
  An antelope is. You need to start.
• 21:32
  You need to start buying Wyoming points.
• 21:34
  I got an area in Wyoming where you can draw it with three
• 21:36
  points. So there you go.
• 21:38
  And yeah, it's, it's pretty easy to do.
• 21:40
  And we'll go out and we'll just have the time of your life.
• 21:43
  Let's do it. Let's do a group.
• 21:44
  We'll just chase them out in the desert and it's a.
• 21:46
  Riot, let's do it. I just, and the one thing I've
• 21:49
  always, I keep saying, which is it's tough.
• 21:52
  I've always heard that like they are the fastest reacting
• 21:56
  antlers. I've always been extraordinarily
• 21:58
  nervous that it's going to be the one that's the toughest for
• 22:01
  me to successfully get because I don't want my first antelope to
• 22:07
  be over water in a blind. And it's not that I'm against
• 22:10
  doing that because I did it with my help.
• 22:12
  I'm I'm fine with it, but there's just something about
• 22:14
  spot and spot and I'm like. It's so much more rewarding.
• 22:17
  Spot and stuff with my bow on the antelope and I'm like
• 22:22
  probably, you know pushing that like it's going to take me 4 or
• 22:25
  five years of actually getting one but.
• 22:27
  But. I I don't know what it is about
• 22:30
  like antelope and people have like run and gun to get them.
• 22:33
  It's like the best mixture of like fun and chaotic, along with
• 22:37
  still like on stock and skill. Like I said, it times deer can
• 22:41
  get a little like serious and I get a little antsy.
• 22:44
  Oh. I'm very serious when it comes
• 22:46
  to. I'm a different animal.
• 22:49
  My 1 buddy my. Friends hate me, yeah.
• 22:51
  I'll read too. I got 1 buddy that hunts with
• 22:53
  me. He he hunts pretty religiously
• 22:55
  with me. He never killed anything.
• 22:56
  And he was like, and I was when I first got to the infantry
• 22:59
  company and he was like, hey man, I heard you hunt a lot.
• 23:01
  He's like, I've never killed an elk before.
• 23:03
  He's like, do you think you could help me?
• 23:05
  And I was like, you come out, you give me 4 days, we'll get
• 23:07
  you a bull. And he was like, really?
• 23:08
  I was like, yeah. And he's the only person in the
• 23:10
  guard like that's ever taken me up on it, right.
• 23:12
  So he comes out and he's like, he's serious.
• 23:15
  But he's like, hey, I'm coming. I'm like, cool, we killed one in
• 23:17
  like literally 9 hours of hunting.
• 23:19
  He had his first bull on the ground with above, like, you
• 23:21
  know, just like, and since then he was like, I want to go to
• 23:23
  archery deer hunting with you. I was like, well, I'm a
• 23:26
  different animal when it comes to deer, just so you know.
• 23:28
  But yeah, we got done, killed our first deer and then like 2
• 23:30
  days later he's like, let's go elk hunting.
• 23:31
  And I was like, yeah, we'll wake up at 9 and he's like, you're
• 23:34
  just a different person when it comes to elk.
• 23:36
  And I'm like, Oh yeah, 100% yeah.
• 23:38
  Elks just for fun. Deer's a serious business.
• 23:40
  Dude for sure and and I have really grown to like Coos, deer
• 23:45
  hunting. I don't know if you've ever.
• 23:46
  I've only done it one time, that one time in Arizona, because
• 23:49
  it's an either or, right? You can shoot either or.
• 23:51
  We played around with a few small ones.
• 23:53
  But yeah, I hear people get pretty obsessed with Coos.
• 23:56
  So I've kind of changed my tune. So like Arizona's my that's my
• 24:00
  favorite place to hunt. You know, my, that's my bread
• 24:02
  and butter that New Mexico. But like, I used to go and hunt
• 24:07
  pretty much exclusively mule deer when I was there.
• 24:09
  Shot a lot of big ones, right? But then they went to this quota
• 24:12
  system and the people would, they would fill the quotas on
• 24:16
  mule deer. But then I would look at it and
• 24:18
  I would go, nobody hunts the white tails.
• 24:20
  And there's way more in the quotas.
• 24:22
  So I started shifting my focus to hunting the Coos deer and
• 24:25
  they live in way high, like most people aren't hiking up to hunt
• 24:28
  where they are. And dude, I, I love it, bro.
• 24:32
  They're almost like hunting an elk because they're so
• 24:34
  aggressive during the rut, dude, like they are not.
• 24:37
  They're more aggressive than a mulee by a lot.
• 24:39
  So they'll be running around chasing each other and like
• 24:42
  they're just a cool deer, especially when you see one on
• 24:44
  the ground and how small they are and how but.
• 24:46
  They're like the size of a German chef, literally like
• 24:48
  they're, they're just big. Yeah, and, and I mean, I've shot
• 24:52
  so Pope and Young, 70 inches. I shot a, my first one was 66
• 24:57
  and then I shot a 87 and then I shot a 93.
• 25:01
  That's a giant. My last one was a 93.
• 25:03
  There's a 8 pointer like that's big.
• 25:05
  And dude, she filmed it for me. It was so cool.
• 25:07
  Glassed him up on the side of this hill.
• 25:08
  I just, he was just chasing this buck dude like crazy.
• 25:12
  And there was a doe. No, he was chasing a buck off.
• 25:15
  So he's chasing a buck off. Yeah, there he wasn't even that
• 25:17
  small. So he's chasing this buck around
• 25:19
  and I'm like, the winds blowing this way.
• 25:21
  There's a huge hill like this and they're on this face and I'm
• 25:24
  like, dude, if we get up on that knuckle, they're like trending
• 25:27
  that way, bro. We get up there, she's huffing
• 25:29
  and puffing and I see the flicker of a doe run by and I'm
• 25:32
  like, I see as I see a heat, the big eight point rack come
• 25:37
  through, dude. And I friggin mean, I mean, I
• 25:39
  couldn't have humped him better at like 46 bro through this
• 25:42
  little gap. It was the best bro.
• 25:44
  And he went down because they live in such steep stuff like
• 25:48
  I've seen them. We need to go do that one day.
• 25:51
  I would love to do that. Especially because I know you
• 25:54
  like. That well, and that's that's my
• 25:56
  problem is that I have and that's why I've been successful
• 25:58
  with mule deers. I have this weird fatuation with
• 26:01
  being super uncomfortable. Like it'll be like this year.
• 26:04
  We are in this middle of this lightning storm and it's raining
• 26:06
  like nasty lightning. Like there's a lightning warning
• 26:09
  and my buddies, my 2 buddies are sitting at the tent and they're
• 26:12
  like, they're like, man, we we're not going out.
• 26:15
  And I was like, well, sucks to seven years.
• 26:16
  I'm going. I'm going out.
• 26:18
  If I die on the mountain, that's where I'm supposed to die.
• 26:20
  I'm like, I'm out of here. See you.
• 26:22
  Bye dude. I think we're the same hunter.
• 26:23
  I'm learning. I do the same exact thing.
• 26:25
  I've almost been struck twice, like very very close and it's
• 26:30
  uncomfortable. For sure, I've had a windstorm
• 26:32
  with trees falling around me and I had to go find the most open
• 26:35
  spot I could cause Timbers just crash it all around me and I'm
• 26:38
  like this is probably really dumb but.
• 26:39
  I literally was hiking up this hill and all of a sudden I just
• 26:42
  had this like, Nat, like, natural reaction like this.
• 26:45
  And I looked to my left in a tree, like a hundred, 150 yards
• 26:49
  to left. I had just blown up, dude, in
• 26:51
  the energy. Like, I felt, feel the static.
• 26:53
  Yeah, I felt it. It was the craziest thing.
• 26:55
  I dodged a bullet on that one for sure.
• 26:57
  I actually know a dude. Fun, fun, random story.
• 27:00
  His name's Randy Spangler. This guy's a mountain bike guy.
• 27:03
  And he would, he was digging where they do Red Bull Rampage
• 27:06
  out in Virgin. And yeah, dude, he got struck by
• 27:10
  lightning twice on the same day. Literally struck.
• 27:12
  And he lived. He's fine.
• 27:14
  We had a. Guy we had a guy cutting hay and
• 27:16
  got hit in the tractor and it knocked him out even inside the
• 27:20
  tractor, right. And like we, we just saw the,
• 27:22
  the swather just go and hit the edge of the field, hit the fence
• 27:25
  and go to the tree line. And we go right out there real
• 27:27
  quick and we go like pull him out and CPR.
• 27:30
  He came right back. But like, he had like little
• 27:32
  lightning veins down his chest and everything like and he was
• 27:34
  in a tractor when he got here. Oh my God, that lightning is
• 27:39
  honestly what scares me the most when I'm out hunting is
• 27:42
  lightning because you just can't control it.
• 27:44
  I'm going to ZAP you anytime. I'm not going to lie.
• 27:46
  Hunt in the wilderness. G bear scared me.
• 27:47
  So I've only hunt in grizzly country one time and it was
• 27:51
  eerie dude. Like I remember we didn't see
• 27:54
  one ever. But like we were hiking in this
• 27:56
  fresh, fresh snow. It was actively dumping and we
• 27:59
  came up this hill and there was like, dude, I mean, the biggest
• 28:01
  tracks I've ever seen in my life and I'm like, this feels a
• 28:05
  little sketchy, 'cause you know, he was just there.
• 28:07
  Oh yeah, that's the more scary part is like when you know
• 28:09
  they're there. Yeah, I have a size 13 boot and
• 28:11
  I've had Grizz prints bigger than my boot.
• 28:13
  Yeah, they're they're big, but the scariest 1 for me.
• 28:17
  I had two instances. One we were at camp and we had
• 28:19
  this dog named Zip and he doesn't bark or ground unless
• 28:22
  there's a bear beer by it. So he keeps growling, growling,
• 28:24
  growling, finally gets to barking.
• 28:25
  And my buddy Dan's just like he's this old time cowboy, like
• 28:29
  straight up should have been born in the Old West era.
• 28:31
  And he was like, let's go see what this is.
• 28:33
  And I'm like feeling tough. I got a 480 Ultramag giant bear
• 28:36
  gun and I'm like, yeah, let's go check this bear out.
• 28:38
  My one buddy goes and hides in the tent.
• 28:40
  He's like, Nope, screw this. That goes and sits in the tent
• 28:44
  and so I go walking out and it's pitch black, right?
• 28:46
  Got my headlamp on. We get on the riverbank and I
• 28:48
  shine my headlamp down the riverbank and this freaking
• 28:51
  pumpkin heads like this big. He just turns and stands and
• 28:54
  looks at me and he's like 60 yards away and I was like, I'm
• 28:58
  done. I went and crawled back in the
• 29:01
  tent with my buddy. I was like we had a bluff charge
• 29:07
  on the edge of a Meadow just laying out because we've been in
• 29:10
  a snowstorm. We're trying to dry out sunshine
• 29:12
  and, and we just hear this crash behind us.
• 29:16
  And from the time it took me to roll over onto my stomach, that
• 29:19
  bear had already come to the edge of the Meadow, stopped,
• 29:21
  stood up and was staring at us. And I just got to my stomach to
• 29:25
  see him. And that bear turns and burns
• 29:27
  back up into the timber. And I'm like, if he wanted, if
• 29:29
  he kept coming, like we're done. Like one of us is getting hit.
• 29:32
  Like they're just so fast. I, I think it's like 30 miles an
• 29:35
  hour they can run or something like that.
• 29:36
  Like something ridiculous. It's either 20 or 30, but they
• 29:40
  just move and they're quick. Yeah.
• 29:42
  Scariest critter in the woods? Dude, I don't even sometimes
• 29:46
  because I'm always going and it's always with James one
• 29:49
  because I'm filming him or he's telling me.
• 29:51
  It's like I always have somebody there so I don't feel like the
• 29:55
  nerves of like predators around as much.
• 29:59
  But then like the only time like it happened and it was just
• 30:02
  like, what am I? Why am I dumb?
• 30:04
  Was the time that we ran into the mountain and.
• 30:06
  I. Was like, I got to thinking
• 30:11
  about it and I'm just like Brenda, we don't hunt like
• 30:14
  grizzly punter or whatnot. Like the most of my season black
• 30:17
  bear. And I'm so used to those from
• 30:18
  Florida that I'm like, I just yell at it and the thing will
• 30:20
  run away. But the one time like we haunted
• 30:24
  in Utah, I'm with him and we ran into that Mountain Lion and I
• 30:27
  was like, I'm out here with no pistol, no nothing, no fair
• 30:32
  stray. It's me and my my sliver Slinger
• 30:37
  like, and what am I doing? And that one got me thinking
• 30:42
  that like down the road, if we ever go back to Utah or up to
• 30:46
  Idaho or, you know, some of these more predatory, like, you
• 30:50
  know, areas, I don't think I will go out as nonchalantly
• 30:55
  anymore as I have in the past just because that one experience
• 31:00
  was not for me. Like I'm just a sitting duck.
• 31:03
  Like I literally put myself in this situation with no, no
• 31:08
  protection whatsoever. I don't think I will do that
• 31:11
  again. But but I don't get as nervous
• 31:13
  about them. But I think that's 'cause I'm
• 31:14
  with you. I'm never out by myself.
• 31:18
  The the dumbest thing I've ever done in the woods and this was
• 31:21
  like my you're not invincible moment, like you need to pull
• 31:24
  your head out type moment. I shot a big mealy buck right
• 31:27
  kill this deer clear on the other side of the Canyon.
• 31:30
  It's right before dark. I shoot him and then I crawl up
• 31:33
  the hill and I get up the hill and I look back and that deer is
• 31:36
  gone. Like I watched him tip his head
• 31:38
  over and like die. And I went back up to get my
• 31:40
  boots because I took my boots off, of course.
• 31:42
  So I climb up, get my boots, get my pack and it's gone.
• 31:44
  And I'm like, where did this thing go?
• 31:46
  So I come down the hill, get to where he's at.
• 31:48
  I follow this little blood trail and I look down into this little
• 31:51
  like green patch of grass on this rock facing there.
• 31:54
  He is sitting there and I'm like OK, he's right there.
• 31:57
  So I walked down there and he's already got his ass and aid out.
• 31:59
  Like son had already got a hold of him in like 3045 minutes.
• 32:03
  I'm like this is crazy. Never had this happen before.
• 32:07
  So it's getting dark and I'm an idiot.
• 32:09
  I went over there at 8:00 in the morning thinking this was going
• 32:12
  to be a quick stock. I end up killing him at like 637
• 32:15
  o'clock at night. And so like I had a bag of
• 32:17
  Skittles, a water bottle, a headlamp and a lighter like
• 32:21
  that's all I have, right. And so like I'm or I didn't even
• 32:24
  have a headlamp. Sorry, I had my phone.
• 32:26
  And so I'm I'm cutting this deer up.
• 32:28
  My phone dies. So the Cape is terrible.
• 32:30
  We actually had to take a different piece of Cape and
• 32:32
  patch it together because I did such a terrible skidding jump.
• 32:35
  But I get this deer cut up. I load them up hole because I've
• 32:38
  hauled deer off hole off the mountain all the time, right?
• 32:40
  I load them up hole and I start walking around this point and I
• 32:42
  start getting like tired and dizzy and I'm like, I am, I'm
• 32:45
  hurting like in a bad way. Like I just sat all day in the
• 32:48
  sun. I'm super dehydrated.
• 32:49
  I was like, this is bad. And I've got like 7 miles back
• 32:52
  to camp and I'm like, and so I'm like made the decision.
• 32:55
  I set my pack down. I take out the Skittles, take my
• 32:58
  water bottle and the filter because the water bottle's empty
• 33:01
  at this point. I got a filter, so I've got
• 33:03
  Skittles, a water bottle, a filter and a lighter.
• 33:06
  And it's like I shine my lighter and like I can't find my bow.
• 33:08
  Like I'm getting like almost delirious at this point.
• 33:11
  And I was like, screw, I've got to go.
• 33:12
  So I start burning up this hill and same thing.
• 33:15
  I'm walking up this hill and I'm like, I keep feeling like
• 33:17
  there's something behind me and I'm like, Nah, it's just me
• 33:19
  being delirious, right? Like I'm walking, walking,
• 33:21
  walking. Finally I start hearing stuff
• 33:23
  dead calm night and I'm like, there's something behind me.
• 33:26
  And so I like stop and I hear it and I told my lighter up and I
• 33:29
  shine my lighter and there's two juvenile cats following me up
• 33:33
  this hill and I'm covered in blood.
• 33:35
  I've got forever to go. And I'm like, screw it.
• 33:37
  And I just start screaming and running up these cats.
• 33:39
  And these two cats kind of, you know, get back and then they
• 33:41
  take off a little bit. And then I, I keep running them
• 33:43
  down until eventually they start running off and then I'm
• 33:46
  nervous. So then I'm running up the
• 33:47
  trail. Get the water.
• 33:49
  I had a broken wrist. I actually shot that deer with a
• 33:51
  peak cast on. I took a Dremel tool and carved
• 33:54
  it out so I could hold my hinge while I shot this cat that's
• 33:57
  inside. I got this peak cast off, my
• 33:59
  hands broken. But I get to this lake and I'm
• 34:02
  like, oh, I only have to drop a couple 100 feet to get this.
• 34:04
  Like it was 900 vertical feet I had to drop to get there.
• 34:08
  I'm sipping out of the lake with my life straw and I'm like
• 34:11
  laying there and I'm like, I should just lay here for the
• 34:13
  night. And I'm like, no, you're going
• 34:14
  to freeze, you idiot. And so like, I get up, start
• 34:16
  hiking back up this hill. I had like 2000 feet almost to
• 34:20
  climb by the time to get back on the wall to camp.
• 34:22
  Get up there. I get to camp at 3:00 in the
• 34:25
  morning. My buddies like, are you OK?
• 34:26
  And I'm like, no, I'm dying. I go down to the hospital the
• 34:30
  next day to cut my cast off because it got all bloody.
• 34:33
  And like they always check your vitals and everything and they
• 34:35
  put the Eric, you're not OK. They're like, you need to go to
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  the ER And I'm like, Nah, I'm fine.
• 34:40
  I had a couple Gatorades like I'm good.
• 34:42
  Like just cut this cast off and they cut it off and they're
• 34:44
  like, do you want another one? I was like, no, I get Hun, the
• 34:47
  season, I ain't got time for this nonsense.
• 34:48
  But that was like my hey, quit being an idiot moment.
• 34:52
  Yeah, I carry a 10 mil around with me everywhere I go now.
• 34:55
  That is an absolute banger and I think a great way to cap the pod
• 34:59
  because I don't want that camera to die and to corrupt the Cliff
• 35:01
  like that one time. So Towson bro, Great story
• 35:06
  there. Good luck this weekend.
• 35:07
  Go crush it. Three hundreds.
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  Check them out on Instagram. His information will be in the
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  description. And then yeah, let's freaking
• 35:13
  crush some three hundreds, bro. All of them.
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  Thanks for watching.