Latest / DISGRACELAND / John Denver: A Folk Singer, a Sniper and America’s Darkest Day
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- 0:00Speaker 1: These and opinions expressing this podcast are satirical and slowly.
- 0:03Speaker 1: Those are the podcast author or and visuals participating in
- 0:05Speaker 1: the podcast. Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. Hey, guys,
- 0:12Speaker 1: this is a special episode. Like you, I've had too
- 0:14Speaker 1: much time on my hands lately, and too much time
- 0:16Speaker 1: to spend borrowing down into Internet wormholes, especially when prompted
- 0:21Speaker 1: by Google alerts indicating movement in the Freedom of Information
- 0:24Speaker 1: Act court case hinting at the coming release of more facts,
- 0:27Speaker 1: perhaps incredibly incriminating facts on the jfk assassination. No doubt,
- 0:33Speaker 1: time to go relatively unnoticed amidst the blanketing COVID nineteen
- 0:36Speaker 1: media coverage. Fortunately, I know how to read between the lines.
- 0:40Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you a story, A wild story,
- 0:44Speaker 1: A story about a folk singer, a sniper, subversive pop music,
- 0:48Speaker 1: a maniacal rock and roll manager, the Mafia, the CIA,
- 0:51Speaker 1: and the assassination of John F. Kennedy. All right, hit
- 0:55Speaker 1: that melotron, a musician I'm going to tell you about,
- 1:11Speaker 1: and the crime he has long been rumored to have
- 1:13Speaker 1: committed is so insane that I barely even know where
- 1:16Speaker 1: to begin with this episode. His vibe his personality, his
- 1:20Speaker 1: music is so the opposite of anything violent that this
- 1:24Speaker 1: story makes no sense, not until you look at the
- 1:27Speaker 1: actual facts. Facts that have long been held secret, redacted
- 1:31Speaker 1: in buried government files, and at the center of numerous
- 1:35Speaker 1: court challenges that cite the Freedom of Information Act. Facts
- 1:39Speaker 1: that were once believed to be vicious hearsay, but if
- 1:42Speaker 1: you were to squint hard enough, revealed truths that were
- 1:45Speaker 1: near impossible to dismiss, truths that are about to go public.
- 1:50Speaker 1: These facts were known by those closest to him, ex. Wives, lovers, handlers,
- 1:54Speaker 1: and managers, whose loose lips let slip the unthinkable and
- 1:58Speaker 1: are responsible for giving rise to one of the music
- 2:01Speaker 1: industry's most salacious rumors that John Denver, one of the
- 2:05Speaker 1: biggest mainstream stars of the nineteen seventies, a man known
- 2:09Speaker 1: for his peaceful, docile nature, his easygoing personality, and his
- 2:14Speaker 1: easy listening chart topping music, was in fact one of
- 2:18Speaker 1: the American military's most prolific snipers, a veritable kill machine,
- 2:23Speaker 1: and quite possibly at the center of one of our
- 2:26Speaker 1: country's darkest days. I know what you're saying. These rumors
- 2:30Speaker 1: have long been disputed, maybe so I'm sure swear that
- 2:33Speaker 1: they're false, but others, some who knew John personally, have
- 2:37Speaker 1: vouged for their authenticity. But regardless, one thing is indisputable.
- 2:42Speaker 1: John Denver made great music. And that music I played
- 2:46Speaker 1: for you at the top of the show that wasn't
- 2:48Speaker 1: great music. That was a preset loop from my melotron
- 2:52Speaker 1: called single Engine Sadness mk IE. I played you that
- 2:57Speaker 1: loop because I can't afford the rights to Candle in
- 3:00Speaker 1: the Wind nineteen ninety seven by my buddy Elton John.
- 3:04Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific side of
- 3:06Speaker 1: Princess Die Gold? Could I afford it? Because that was
- 3:11Speaker 1: the number one song in America on October twelfth, nineteen
- 3:14Speaker 1: ninety seven, And that was the day John Denver fired
- 3:18Speaker 1: up his plane, took to the sky, cut the engine himself,
- 3:22Speaker 1: and drifted off into infamy. On this episode a Fatal
- 3:26Speaker 1: Flight the Sweet Sounds of the Seventies, John Denver in
- 3:30Speaker 1: America's Darkest Day. I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgraceland.
- 4:00Speaker 1: Henry John Deutsch and doorf Junior was making his way
- 4:03Speaker 1: peacefully through the din of Leadbetters nineteen sixty four, Los Angeles.
- 4:08Speaker 1: The folk scene was blooming on the West Coast UCLA
- 4:12Speaker 1: college kids filled the small club with their optimism and
- 4:15Speaker 1: cigarette smoke. Whatever citizism there was, it was imported by
- 4:19Speaker 1: way of the East Coast Greenwich Village. Out Here, jagged
- 4:22Speaker 1: street smirts and socialist ideals left over from the earlier
- 4:25Speaker 1: part of the century, characteristics that in part define New
- 4:29Speaker 1: York City's folk scene seemed to touch too serious, a
- 4:33Speaker 1: smidge too real la in nineteen sixty four, that peaceful,
- 4:37Speaker 1: easy feeling. It flowed down from the canyons through the
- 4:40Speaker 1: honeysuckles slicked maulholland permeated the streets of Hollywood and coursed
- 4:45Speaker 1: through the hippy counterculture, taking root at places like Leadbetters
- 4:49Speaker 1: in dug West East Troubadour, Leadbetter's back Room aka the
- 4:54Speaker 1: back Porch, swinging doors, peanut shells on the floor, beer
- 4:58Speaker 1: and only beer behind the bar, in a stage that
- 5:01Speaker 1: welcomed the aspiring folk singers as a basic training of
- 5:04Speaker 1: sorts before graduating to the main stage. In the main room,
- 5:08Speaker 1: This was where John, as his friends called him Henry
- 5:10Speaker 1: John Deutschendorff Junior, the man who would take the stage
- 5:14Speaker 1: name John Denver and eventually become one of the biggest
- 5:16Speaker 1: pop stars of the nineteen seventies worked out his craft.
- 5:20Speaker 1: He sang well, had a knack for melody, He could
- 5:23Speaker 1: play well enough. He wasn't special, but still you couldn't
- 5:26Speaker 1: take your eyes off of him. There was something so appealing,
- 5:29Speaker 1: so safe about him. He wanted to put him in
- 5:32Speaker 1: your pocket and take him home with you. Sandy bowl
- 5:34Speaker 1: cut kind of long, not really. He'd recently replaced his
- 5:38Speaker 1: black buddy Holly frames with the more focish round granny glasses.
- 5:42Speaker 1: He sang about, well, nothing all that interesting, but he
- 5:45Speaker 1: hit all the right notes, literally and figuratively. He had
- 5:49Speaker 1: the requisite amount of folk songs down leadbelly phil oakes,
- 5:52Speaker 1: and he did his best with the occasional Dylan cover,
- 5:55Speaker 1: but mostly he found Dylan songs too edgy for him
- 5:58Speaker 1: to get across with any real conm Lately, he, like
- 6:02Speaker 1: every other aspiring folk rock pop musician on the planet,
- 6:05Speaker 1: was taken by the Beatles, and John had been prepping
- 6:08Speaker 1: a version of Paul McCartney's and a Lover to take
- 6:11Speaker 1: to the stage. The Beatles were all the rage, the
- 6:15Speaker 1: first quote unquote pop group to dominate the charts, and
- 6:18Speaker 1: America was obsessed, including most everyone in LA's early folk scene,
- 6:23Speaker 1: a couple of Ledbetter's regular folk singers were making noise
- 6:26Speaker 1: about teaming up and starting their own folk group, LA's
- 6:29Speaker 1: answer to the Beatles. They're going to call themselves the Birds,
- 6:33Speaker 1: and they had their sights on John Denver to join
- 6:35Speaker 1: their ranks. Well all but one of them, anyway. One
- 6:39Speaker 1: future member of the Birds had his doubts. David Crosby
- 6:42Speaker 1: did not share Roger mcgwinn's or Gene Clark's enthusiasm for
- 6:46Speaker 1: John Denver, and they were sitting at one of the
- 6:51Speaker 1: back tables at Ledbetter's after John's short set earlier in
- 6:54Speaker 1: the night, Crosby, mcgwinn, Clark, John, and a couple of
- 6:58Speaker 1: co eds from UCLA. Crosby was on a tear drinking,
- 7:02Speaker 1: smoking reefer, also getting up to god knows what else.
- 7:05Speaker 1: In between. He had one eye on the co eds
- 7:07Speaker 1: and the other on John, and John was playing it cool,
- 7:10Speaker 1: trying to impress what he hoped were as soon to
- 7:12Speaker 1: be bandmates with his knowledge of the Beatles, the way
- 7:15Speaker 1: they wrote songs, how they work their craft, and dingy
- 7:18Speaker 1: clubs just like this one, slinging covers before bringing their
- 7:22Speaker 1: original songs into the studio, sort of like what he
- 7:25Speaker 1: himself was doing. Crosby wasn't buying it. Fuck that we're
- 7:30Speaker 1: ready now, slamming his hand down on the table. John
- 7:33Speaker 1: didn't agree, but said nothing. He was too nervous, too polite,
- 7:37Speaker 1: too insecure. Crosby went on, songs are in the air, man,
- 7:41Speaker 1: doesn't make no difference if you write them or not.
- 7:44Speaker 1: I could go in the studio tomorrow and knock out
- 7:46Speaker 1: to hit as big as anything the Beatles have done
- 7:48Speaker 1: in America, and it don't matter if I write it
- 7:50Speaker 1: or the mailman does. Roger McGuinn shifted uncomfortably in his chair.
- 7:55Speaker 1: Geene Clark pulled on his cigarette. Nonchalant, John smiled awkwardly
- 8:00Speaker 1: summoned the courage to protest. Ah, come on, David, you
- 8:03Speaker 1: don't really mean that, do you? The fuck I don't,
- 8:06Speaker 1: Crosby snapped back at him. The girls were shocked, and
- 8:11Speaker 1: so was John. He recoiled and just stared at Crosbie.
- 8:14Speaker 1: The fuck are you looking at you? Doubt me? It's
- 8:16Speaker 1: your boy again. John said nothing, and Gwynn leaned over
- 8:20Speaker 1: to David and whispered something and tried to calm him down.
- 8:23Speaker 1: John suddenly felt dizzy, felt the cigarette smoke hanging in
- 8:27Speaker 1: the air start to thicken. Heard the stringed instruments from
- 8:30Speaker 1: the main stage in the adjacent room morph. Crosby just
- 8:34Speaker 1: stared at John. John couldn't take his eyes off of him.
- 8:37Speaker 1: The ko z next to him suddenly radiated intense heat.
- 8:40Speaker 1: There was a fucking sauna in there. All of a sudden.
- 8:43Speaker 1: John swore he could hear the peanut shells on the
- 8:45Speaker 1: floor sizzling under his feet. Crosbie stared, but Gwynn whispered.
- 8:51Speaker 1: Clark dragged deeper on his cigarette. A long single ash
- 8:55Speaker 1: protruded from its tip, bending slightly at its edge, dipping
- 8:58Speaker 1: down toward the round table they crammed around. John felt
- 9:01Speaker 1: a slight trembled to the table. He heard the hoot
- 9:04Speaker 1: nanny in the next room warped some more, and then
- 9:06Speaker 1: big bad bangs clanging violently in succession. It filled up
- 9:11Speaker 1: his senses. Shotgun blasts or discharged was from the rifle.
- 9:14Speaker 1: John couldn't be sure. He tried to shake it off.
- 9:17Speaker 1: Crosby stared some more. John couldn't look away. Crosby's chin
- 9:21Speaker 1: began to quiver, his eyes hardened, the edges of his
- 9:24Speaker 1: face quaked, His whole head started to shake. The hoot
- 9:27Speaker 1: Nanny turned to hell fire, more shots flass, John swore
- 9:30Speaker 1: on the corner of his eye. Those weren't peanut shells.
- 9:33Speaker 1: They were shotgun shells. The sound they made when they
- 9:36Speaker 1: hit the floor unmistakable. They sizzled from the emanating heat,
- 9:40Speaker 1: and John was sweating. The co eds were now panting,
- 9:42Speaker 1: the sweat dripping on their tropicana skin, dripping like the
- 9:45Speaker 1: honeysuckle dripping down maholland sticky Sweet. Crosby deadlocked John's eyes.
- 9:51Speaker 1: John wanted nothing more than to look away, and the
- 9:53Speaker 1: room closed in. It was just the two of them
- 9:55Speaker 1: around the table now and fellowed by intense heat, darkness,
- 9:58Speaker 1: and the throbbing sounds of the hoot Nny hellfire from
- 10:01Speaker 1: the other room, now intermixed with the sounds of a
- 10:03Speaker 1: John Phillips SUSA liked marching band all cacopany and chaos
- 10:07Speaker 1: soundtracking the room. Crosby's chin started to quiver more, his
- 10:11Speaker 1: cheeks began to shake with even more ferocity. His eyes
- 10:14Speaker 1: rolled back into his sockets with pure blackness. His head
- 10:17Speaker 1: them began rattling back and forth, side to side, and
- 10:20Speaker 1: the most violent horrific inhuman motion. You could imagine Crosby
- 10:24Speaker 1: wasn't possessed, He wasn't human, He wasn't of this world.
- 10:27Speaker 2: John was petrified, shocked dead, still catatonic.
- 10:32Speaker 1: She blacked out. When John opened his eyes, he was
- 10:39Speaker 1: back home Fort Worth, Texas. He was a boy again,
- 10:42Speaker 1: outdoors where he was most comfortable with his dad, a
- 10:45Speaker 1: military man enjoying a rare day off. Ever since the
- 10:50Speaker 1: incident in Roswell, the one John's dad never spoke of
- 10:54Speaker 1: to anyone. Ever, the military had made much use of
- 10:57Speaker 1: his unique talent. He made lieutenant colonel, and the Air
- 11:00Speaker 1: Force kept him busy. He was a test pilot, one
- 11:03Speaker 1: of the best. He not only knew his way around
- 11:05Speaker 1: a cockpit, he also knew his way around a rifle.
- 11:08Speaker 1: But when it came to shooting, Dutch Deutschendorff was nothing
- 11:11Speaker 1: next to his fourteen year old son John, who seemed
- 11:14Speaker 1: preternaturally designed to shoot. He could hit anything. He could
- 11:18Speaker 1: shoot a straw off a camel's back at a thousand yards.
- 11:21Speaker 1: He could shoot a gnat at the end of a
- 11:22Speaker 1: country mile. When it came to scope math, he could
- 11:25Speaker 1: judge distance and crunch a sniper trajectory formula in his
- 11:29Speaker 1: head like a human calculator. The formula solution was always
- 11:32Speaker 1: the same dead center. John Denver was as sure a
- 11:36Speaker 1: shot as there was for him. When his eye hit
- 11:41Speaker 1: the scope, there was nothing else. It wasn't even like
- 11:43Speaker 1: he had to concentrate. The whole world just fell away.
- 11:47Speaker 1: It was more feeling than anything else. There was form
- 11:50Speaker 1: of course, lock on target, load the chamber, a just
- 11:53Speaker 1: rifle up from line of sight in proportional arc to
- 11:56Speaker 1: distance from target, Relock on target, take the shot, and
- 11:59Speaker 1: when he pulled the trigger, he knew, he absolutely knew
- 12:02Speaker 1: he was going to hit his mark. He never missed,
- 12:04Speaker 1: he couldn't miss. John Denver opened his eyes again, and
- 12:10Speaker 1: the bright lights of the backstage dressing room jarred him,
- 12:14Speaker 1: jerked him away from his blackout dream. Rapidly he snapped too,
- 12:17Speaker 1: and it was a show to do, not just any show,
- 12:20Speaker 1: a television show. His own television show, John Denver's Rocky
- 12:24Speaker 1: Mountain Christmas, a variety special with guests Steve Martin and
- 12:28Speaker 1: Olivia Newton, John Cozy as a mountainside fireplace in winter,
- 12:32Speaker 1: and the ABC Network's highest rated program of nineteen seventy five,
- 12:37Speaker 1: sixty million viewers, roughly one in every four Americans would
- 12:40Speaker 1: watch a downright astounding audience size, and it was a
- 12:44Speaker 1: surprise to pretty much no one, because that's how famous
- 12:48Speaker 1: John Denver was at the time. Long gone were the
- 12:51Speaker 1: days of Leadbetters and David Crosby. By nineteen seventy five,
- 12:55Speaker 1: a mere ten years later, John Denver had taken his
- 12:58Speaker 1: safe middle American environ mentally conscious crossover folk and turned
- 13:02Speaker 1: himself into one of the biggest stars on the planet,
- 13:05Speaker 1: selling more records in that year and having more hit
- 13:08Speaker 1: records than any other artists. Billboard magazine named him best
- 13:12Speaker 1: Top Singles Artist, Best Overall Pop Artist, Best Easy Listening Artist,
- 13:17Speaker 1: and crowned his album Win Song Best Country Album. News
- 13:21Speaker 1: Day in nineteen seventy five said of John Denver what
- 13:25Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra was to the forties, Elvis Presley to the fifties,
- 13:29Speaker 1: and the Beatles to the sixties, John Denver is to
- 13:32Speaker 1: the seventies a phenomenon. John took to the stage and
- 13:41Speaker 1: the bank of Fresno lights gave off a familiar heat.
- 13:44Speaker 1: He gazed out, it is made for TV studio. Audience smiled,
- 13:48Speaker 1: slightly clutched his acoustic guitar and launched into his song
- 13:52Speaker 1: Aspen Glow. In between the tender strums of his acoustic,
- 13:56Speaker 1: the subtle root notes of the bass and high fills
- 13:58Speaker 1: of the piano, John could hear another sound, a sound
- 14:02Speaker 1: that was available only to him. It sounded like fear
- 14:06Speaker 1: and guilt and shame all rolled into one. It sounded familiar.
- 14:10Speaker 1: It sounded like the crackle and roll of spent bullets
- 14:14Speaker 1: hitting the ground. John woke up in a state. It
- 14:36Speaker 1: was like he was possessed. He ignored as soon to
- 14:39Speaker 1: be ex wife and be lined through their sprawling seventy
- 14:42Speaker 1: five hundred square foot Aspen mansion, custom built with seven
- 14:46Speaker 1: bathrooms and three webbars. John passed all of it on
- 14:49Speaker 1: his way out to the garage. The dream he had
- 14:52Speaker 1: just suffered was a familiar one. It was so intense,
- 14:55Speaker 1: so painful. He would do anything to erase it from
- 14:57Speaker 1: his memory, to cut it out. Just the tool grabbed
- 15:02Speaker 1: the fucking Jean saw the dream, the sucking, the fucking.
- 15:08Speaker 1: It was so wrong, but started as an innocent night
- 15:11Speaker 1: under the stars. He his wife, some friends gathered on
- 15:14Speaker 1: his Aspen property to view the Persia meteor showers was
- 15:18Speaker 1: supposed to be a fire out communion with Mother Nature
- 15:21Speaker 1: on one of her most miraculous nights. The meteor showers
- 15:24Speaker 1: wear an annual late summer visit from the Cosmos, when
- 15:27Speaker 1: Earth passes through the debris field from a distant comet
- 15:30Speaker 1: and the skylights up like God's own kaleidoscope. At a
- 15:34Speaker 1: little past midnight, after most of the drink and smoke
- 15:37Speaker 1: had been ingested by his guests, the first meteor blasted
- 15:41Speaker 1: through the sky, better late than ever, and then the second,
- 15:44Speaker 1: the third, fourth, fifth, giant fiery swishes exploding into Colorado night.
- 15:50Speaker 1: The sky was on fire, and the spirit of the
- 15:54Speaker 1: natural beauty lifted John's guests into song, singing and dancing
- 15:58Speaker 1: around their camps at its fire was inspired and the
- 16:02Speaker 1: singing grew more spirited. The dancing grew more intense. Counting John,
- 16:06Speaker 1: there were about six others, including his wife. A tight
- 16:09Speaker 1: circle of dancing wound itself around John's wife, and John
- 16:13Speaker 1: was on the outside of the circle. He tried to
- 16:15Speaker 1: see in. He caught glimpses of his wife's hair flailing about,
- 16:19Speaker 1: a flash of flesh here, a dash of sweat there.
- 16:22Speaker 1: With every explosion in the sky, he caught a better
- 16:24Speaker 1: glimpse inside the dance circle, his wife writhes. His wife undulated, sweated, panted.
- 16:29Speaker 1: The rhythm of it all was suddenly very sexual. In
- 16:33Speaker 1: John's guests, the dancers were chanting and locked into some
- 16:36Speaker 1: sort of unheard beat, a rhythm that it seemed to
- 16:39Speaker 1: John only they could hear. The meteors flashed above. John
- 16:43Speaker 1: saw his wife's near naked body inside the circle. He
- 16:46Speaker 1: tried to push through, but the dancers were too tight.
- 16:49Speaker 1: The circle would not be broken, and John tried to
- 16:52Speaker 1: break through again, caught another glimpse of his wife dancing,
- 16:55Speaker 1: pounding away to the beat. It was all sex now.
- 16:58Speaker 1: It was like she was in the throes of passion
- 17:00Speaker 1: with some unseen adonnis. It was the most sexual thing
- 17:03Speaker 1: John had ever witnessed, and he was on the outs,
- 17:05Speaker 1: way out. He wanted in, he was denied. His wife
- 17:08Speaker 1: continued to ride to grind. She moaned, her eyes rolled back.
- 17:12Speaker 1: Another meteor flashed. John saw it the black and her
- 17:15Speaker 1: eyes solid black. His wife moaned some more. In the
- 17:18Speaker 1: midst of her dance, she opened her mouth again to moan,
- 17:21Speaker 1: and there it was.
- 17:21Speaker 2: In a quick flash, John saw it, He swore he did.
- 17:25Speaker 2: His wife impaled through the mouth by the horn of
- 17:27Speaker 2: Satan mid Orgas.
- 17:29Speaker 1: And then he woke up, soaked and sweat the same
- 17:33Speaker 1: as he was the last time he had the dream.
- 17:36Speaker 1: But this was it. The chainsaw would solve the problem.
- 17:41Speaker 1: John fired it up outside and stormed back into the
- 17:43Speaker 1: house with the motor and full gral. He passed the
- 17:46Speaker 1: papers on the kitchen counter, the ones from his lawyer,
- 17:48Speaker 1: the ones he couldn't bring himself to sign, the ones
- 17:51Speaker 1: that said his wife got half half of everything, half
- 17:54Speaker 1: of this insanely large house, half of the cars and
- 17:57Speaker 1: the garage, half of his guitars, and half of his royalty.
- 18:00Speaker 2: Why stop there. If she wanted half of everything, then
- 18:03Speaker 2: she should truly get half of everything. How About half
- 18:05Speaker 2: the pain in the assid was to keep the money flowing.
- 18:08Speaker 2: How about half the shitty had the swallow for those
- 18:10Speaker 2: bullshit television and movie appearances, the one episode guest spot on.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Alan Marshall Counselor at Lawn, the role of Deputy Dewey
- 18:18Speaker 1: Cobb in the McLoud episode, and the goddamn Muppets. How
- 18:22Speaker 1: about she jump up on stage and slung it with
- 18:24Speaker 1: his fucking piggy and then he'd half the Shamepi. He
- 18:27Speaker 1: had a swallow from doing the gig with the pig half.
- 18:31Speaker 2: John stormed through the house with the chainsaw, motoring away,
- 18:34Speaker 2: scaring the shit out of the help and the process,
- 18:36Speaker 2: ranting like a schizophrenic in a trance. Take half the guilt,
- 18:40Speaker 2: Take half the nightmares, Take half the bed. I have
- 18:42Speaker 2: half the goddamn nightmares in.
- 18:45Speaker 1: John busted into the master suite and took the chainsaw
- 18:47Speaker 1: to the California king he shared with his wife, splitting
- 18:50Speaker 1: it down the middle, falling feathers and spring spit into
- 18:53Speaker 1: the air for the teeth of the chainsaw, ribbing through
- 18:55Speaker 1: the mattress. When he was done, he dropped his tool,
- 18:59Speaker 1: stumble back to the wall, and slumped down to the floor.
- 19:03Speaker 1: The smell of gas filled his nostrils. He could hear
- 19:06Speaker 1: the nuthatches and the pines outside singing, and their melodies
- 19:09Speaker 1: were accented with the oh too familiar random click clack
- 19:12Speaker 1: who spent shellcasings hitting the ground. John closed his eyes,
- 19:17Speaker 1: exhausted and let his subconscious check him into the dreaded
- 19:20Speaker 1: memory motel. We'll be right back after this word word
- 19:29Speaker 1: word e. Howard Hunt was too old for this shit.
- 19:37Speaker 1: If the director himself hadn't asked them to fly out
- 19:39Speaker 1: to god forsaken Fort Worth, Texas, then he sure his
- 19:42Speaker 1: shit would have told whatever pencil neck analyst who gave
- 19:45Speaker 1: him the memo to stick it where the good Lord
- 19:47Speaker 1: split it, Texas. The kid better have been what they said.
- 19:50Speaker 1: He was a sure shot and better than that afflicted
- 19:56Speaker 1: in the best way. With catatonia, it was a strange
- 19:59Speaker 1: and very valuable to the agency anyway. Combination catatonia is
- 20:05Speaker 1: a rare type of psychiatric disorder that manifests in multiple ways.
- 20:09Speaker 1: It can make those who are afflicted immobile and speechless,
- 20:13Speaker 1: catatonic and stuporous. Catatonia can cause those who have it
- 20:17Speaker 1: to basically black out while repeating their physical movements their
- 20:21Speaker 1: motions over and over and over again. Their brains are
- 20:25Speaker 1: essentially blotto, but their bodies continue to move. And what
- 20:30Speaker 1: the big brains back at E. Howard Haunt's shop, the
- 20:33Speaker 1: Central Intelligence Agency figured out was that if you gave
- 20:37Speaker 1: blacked out catatonics the controlled dosage of lysergic acid diethylamide,
- 20:42Speaker 1: the new drug the agency was experimenting with LSD, then
- 20:46Speaker 1: the catatonics repetitive motions could be controlled by another party's command.
- 20:51Speaker 1: Now what if that motion wasn't random, What if it
- 20:54Speaker 1: was a precise action, like the shooting of a gun
- 20:57Speaker 1: by a highly skilled sure shot. Now imagine what kind
- 21:01Speaker 1: of shit a slick outfit like the CIA could stir
- 21:03Speaker 1: up with that kind of asset. Hunt knew the director
- 21:07Speaker 1: was onto something, so he hopped the first flight he
- 21:09Speaker 1: could from DC to Texas, and the kid didn't disappoint.
- 21:16Speaker 1: Hunt had never seen anything like it. The kid could
- 21:19Speaker 1: hit milk bottles off logs at five hundred yards. He
- 21:22Speaker 1: could account for wind, air, temperature, humidity, and gravity with
- 21:25Speaker 1: a shrug of his shoulder like it was the most
- 21:27Speaker 1: intuitive thing in the world. His minute of angle, the
- 21:30Speaker 1: standard measurement of relative sniper accuracy, was in the ninetieth
- 21:33Speaker 1: percentile as an amateur, and the Koude Grau was the blindfold.
- 21:37Speaker 1: They moved the kid back to six hundred yards, set
- 21:40Speaker 1: up a target on a bale of hey far across
- 21:42Speaker 1: the range, and the kid took a stance, adjusted his
- 21:45Speaker 1: scope in the angle of his barrel. They dropped the
- 21:47Speaker 1: blindfold on him. He swore he saw the kid's breast
- 21:50Speaker 1: stop and his body achieved total stillness. Then he pulled
- 21:54Speaker 1: the trigger and sure as shit, the shot was true, bullseye,
- 21:59Speaker 1: dead center. The kid looked up sheepishly, as if he'd
- 22:03Speaker 1: just done something as simple as pouring a glass of milk.
- 22:06Speaker 1: Hunt caught his eye. Insecure, vulnerable, a bit scared, eager
- 22:11Speaker 1: to please Hunt redim in an instant. This is going
- 22:14Speaker 1: to be easier than he thought, provided the old man
- 22:16Speaker 1: would play a ball. Dutch and Irma's Fort Worth, Texas home.
- 22:23Speaker 1: It read postwar suburban military modest ranch house, maybe a
- 22:28Speaker 1: thousand square feet parachevies in the driveway, American flag in
- 22:31Speaker 1: the front yard, white picket fence, and well manicured hedges,
- 22:35Speaker 1: regulation height, of course, milk cookies, a nineteen inch magnavox
- 22:40Speaker 1: to watch the Lawrence Welk Show on right now. Though
- 22:43Speaker 1: the magnavox was showing Jack the haircut eating Dick Nixon's
- 22:47Speaker 1: lunch on the televised debate stage. The kid said nothing,
- 22:51Speaker 1: sat on the sofa and knees locked, hands clasped, staring
- 22:54Speaker 1: out at the television, but at the acoustic guitar leaning
- 22:56Speaker 1: up against the wall aside him. His old man cursed
- 22:59Speaker 1: the caw Athletics, He cursed the Commies. He cursed the Jews,
- 23:02Speaker 1: the Pinkos, and the pencil necks. No group was safe.
- 23:07Speaker 1: Hunt sipped his milk and tried to suppress a smile.
- 23:10Speaker 1: The old man would play ball, all right, This is
- 23:13Speaker 1: gonna be easier than he thought. Hunt swapped the natural
- 23:16Speaker 1: waspy eloquence in his voice for Near Blue Barracks, Bravado.
- 23:20Speaker 1: You see your son as a gift, sir. I've never
- 23:22Speaker 1: seen anyone shoot like that, And like you, I did
- 23:25Speaker 1: my time for uncle, Navy man, then the Air Corps,
- 23:28Speaker 1: like you a wingman, then unlike you, the Oss. I've
- 23:32Speaker 1: seen men shoot, is what I'm saying. And maybe in
- 23:34Speaker 1: the Air Force you don't get to see as many
- 23:36Speaker 1: men work their way around a rifle. But your son,
- 23:38Speaker 1: he ain't like anything anyone has ever seen anywhere, at
- 23:41Speaker 1: least when it comes to firing a gun. The old
- 23:45Speaker 1: man was listening in the background, Kennedy's good looks, his
- 23:48Speaker 1: toothy smile, that fucking East Coast entitlement, all of it
- 23:51Speaker 1: stoked a raging inferno of insecurity in the old man.
- 23:55Speaker 1: It was thick palpable. To the kid, it was genetic.
- 23:58Speaker 1: He was fucked, you see. Hunt nodded to the television now,
- 24:04Speaker 1: right now, more than ever now, we need boys like
- 24:07Speaker 1: your son, sir, capable boys. The world ain't what it
- 24:10Speaker 1: was when we were his age. Times are changing and
- 24:12Speaker 1: we need all the help we can get keeping things
- 24:14Speaker 1: the way they should be, keeping the country pure, keeping
- 24:17Speaker 1: our ideals in place. There are enemies among us, sir,
- 24:20Speaker 1: Some of them even have designs on the White House
- 24:22Speaker 1: right there. And there are conflicts springing up all over
- 24:25Speaker 1: the place. Cuba, French, Indonesia. That came me, Genie, that
- 24:28Speaker 1: fdr led out of the bottle. It ain't going back in, no, sir,
- 24:31Speaker 1: ree Bobcat, not without a concerted effort for men like me,
- 24:34Speaker 1: like you, and like your son. The old man was
- 24:38Speaker 1: wrapped hunt went in for the clothes, his gift, his ability.
- 24:42Speaker 1: It deserves special attention, special cultivation. We have an elite
- 24:47Speaker 1: snipers school affiliated with the agency that is ACES, and
- 24:50Speaker 1: we think your son would be well utilized there and
- 24:52Speaker 1: he'd be making his country proud. Nixon sweated on the
- 24:56Speaker 1: screen with indecision. The old man did not share Nixon's
- 24:59Speaker 1: in a bilg to make up his mind. His decision
- 25:02Speaker 1: was easy, get me the papers, I'll sign him. The
- 25:06Speaker 1: boy will report for duty Monday morning at oh five
- 25:08Speaker 1: hundred hours with nothing but a gym bag full of
- 25:27Speaker 1: clothes and an acoustic guitar. Seventeen year old Henry John
- 25:31Speaker 1: Deutschendorf reported for duty to the newly formed United States
- 25:34Speaker 1: Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in September of
- 25:38Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. The elite academy was so new that it
- 25:42Speaker 1: had just graduated its first class a year earlier in
- 25:45Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine. John was ushered through basic training like
- 25:49Speaker 1: all of the other students, but by the time November
- 25:52Speaker 1: rolled around, John had been reassigned to a smaller group
- 25:55Speaker 1: of students in a different type of training. Academics fitness
- 25:59Speaker 1: air ship were all sidelined for the moment. In place
- 26:03Speaker 1: of one thing, and one thing only, shooting, John, along
- 26:08Speaker 1: with two other highly adept shooters students like himself, were
- 26:11Speaker 1: moved out of the dorms and into their own living
- 26:13Speaker 1: facility on the outskirts of campus. Every morning at oh
- 26:17Speaker 1: five hundred hours, they were awakened and guided through their
- 26:19Speaker 1: day by their professor, a man by the name of Doc.
- 26:23Speaker 1: Doc was effectively the only person in other than themselves
- 26:26Speaker 1: that the cadets now saw, and Doc took care of everything,
- 26:30Speaker 1: ushering John and his classmates through their morning routine, transporting
- 26:34Speaker 1: them out to the shooting range. Through daily maneuvers including marksmanship,
- 26:38Speaker 1: battlefield intelligence, stocking, and other sniper related skills. Doc's primary
- 26:43Speaker 1: mission was to impart upon his student's long range precision
- 26:46Speaker 1: fire sniping skills. To this end, everything was perfectly calibrated.
- 26:51Speaker 1: During John's and his fellow students' days. Their meals, their study,
- 26:55Speaker 1: and even their free time. Meals were prepared by Doc.
- 26:58Speaker 1: Quote unquote. Academic consisted of Doc literally reading to his students,
- 27:03Speaker 1: usually military history and almost always something from either Roman
- 27:06Speaker 1: history or US Revolutionary war history, and free time consisted
- 27:11Speaker 1: of Doc sitting in the middle of the small sniper's
- 27:13Speaker 1: student living facility and regaling his students with stories of
- 27:16Speaker 1: his days in the European theater of war during the
- 27:19Speaker 1: Big One hunting Nazis for Uncle. It was a highly structured,
- 27:23Speaker 1: highly sheltered time of constance for young John. Patriotism dedication
- 27:29Speaker 1: to country above all else, along with marksmanship training where
- 27:32Speaker 1: all that John was exposed to every minute of every day,
- 27:35Speaker 1: and everything else was the same as well. The routine,
- 27:38Speaker 1: the time, the place, It was as if everything in
- 27:40Speaker 1: John's life were wrote right down to his daily meals.
- 27:44Speaker 1: Everything was a repetitive motion of the time before. Always
- 27:47Speaker 1: the same breakfast oatmeal and hard boiled eggs every morning,
- 27:51Speaker 1: lunch tune a sandwich with cheese and butter on white bread.
- 27:55Speaker 1: Every afternoon, dinner mystery meat, mashed potatoes and boiled carrots
- 27:59Speaker 1: with a white bread roll. Water, milk, juice where all
- 28:02Speaker 1: they were allowed to drink, ever, and of course, dessert
- 28:05Speaker 1: was always followed up with a shot of mandatory fluoride,
- 28:09Speaker 1: a small shot glass sized poll of tasteless warm water
- 28:12Speaker 1: that Doc insisted they swallow every last drop of. He'd
- 28:16Speaker 1: watch each of them intently to make sure it was
- 28:18Speaker 1: all swallowed, and inspect their paper cups afterward to be
- 28:22Speaker 1: sure they were empty. John and his classmates would pass
- 28:26Speaker 1: out Soon after. John would dream intensely, usually about shooting,
- 28:30Speaker 1: sniping some scenario, mixing the training he'd endured that day
- 28:34Speaker 1: with one of Doc's war stories, and often involving music.
- 28:38Speaker 1: John playing his acoustic in the bombed out streets of Dresden,
- 28:41Speaker 1: playing his acoustic side Washington and his men at Valley Forge,
- 28:45Speaker 1: playing his acoustic with the centurions at Carthage are often
- 28:48Speaker 1: back home in his living room, serenading a sweaty former
- 28:51Speaker 1: Vice President Nixon to the approval of his father and
- 28:54Speaker 1: to the disapproval of the now President John F. Kennedy.
- 28:57Speaker 1: When it came to music, to playing music is John's
- 29:01Speaker 1: dreams were all he had. His acoustic guitar was confiscated
- 29:04Speaker 1: when he showed up at school, and along with everything
- 29:07Speaker 1: else going on in the outside world, music was not
- 29:10Speaker 1: allowed in any way, shape or form at the Academy,
- 29:13Speaker 1: at least not at the part of the academy where
- 29:15Speaker 1: John was stashed away. Years later. By the time John
- 29:19Speaker 1: had become a singing sensation, these days at the Academy
- 29:23Speaker 1: were barely even there in his memory anymore. His time
- 29:26Speaker 1: there was merely a decade removed, and still trying to
- 29:29Speaker 1: conjure images of this time was next to impossible. Even
- 29:33Speaker 1: more difficult to remember were the years following a black
- 29:36Speaker 1: spot in his memory. Bank John did his time in
- 29:40Speaker 1: the academy, He remembered nothing of his classmates. Doc his
- 29:43Speaker 1: teacher was basically all he could recall him, and the
- 29:46Speaker 1: mysterious mister Hunt, who visited every couple months or so.
- 29:50Speaker 1: Observed his training and said, little Hunt, with his big, black,
- 29:54Speaker 1: soulless eyes and giant dumbo years was hard to miss,
- 29:58Speaker 1: never mind forget. When John would try to remember those
- 30:02Speaker 1: days and come up short, the feeling of frustration would
- 30:05Speaker 1: quickly turn to shame to Gil, and John had no
- 30:08Speaker 1: idea why. Perhaps it was due to his time in
- 30:11Speaker 1: the war after the Academy, the goddamn Vietnam War. It
- 30:15Speaker 1: had torn the country apart, and John was not only
- 30:18Speaker 1: ashamed of his personal participation, but also, like most men
- 30:22Speaker 1: his age in the nineteen seventies, John was ashamed of
- 30:24Speaker 1: his country's participation as well. It seemed so long ago,
- 30:28Speaker 1: and like his days at the Academy, John could remember little.
- 30:32Speaker 1: Last season, he lay back in bed, sipped on his
- 30:40Speaker 1: red wine, and tried telling the very sexy, half naked,
- 30:43Speaker 1: career minded gall at his side what it was like
- 30:46Speaker 1: to kill a man. You know, I can't remember hardly anything.
- 30:50Speaker 1: I'd just sit and wait, wait and wait some more,
- 30:54Speaker 1: and by the time the enemy would cross into my sight,
- 30:57Speaker 1: I'd pull the trigger. It was as if all the
- 30:59Speaker 1: humanity he had already been drained from the situation. I
- 31:03Speaker 1: did it so many times that it was all routine,
- 31:06Speaker 1: but now the guilt's heavy, heavier than it should be.
- 31:09Speaker 1: I mean, we were at war for a reason. They
- 31:11Speaker 1: were the enemy. It was killed or be killed. You now,
- 31:15Speaker 1: she nodded, shocked, barely able to process. With John Denver,
- 31:19Speaker 1: one of the country's biggest pop stars, a man known
- 31:22Speaker 1: for his peaceful, kind demeanor, was telling her that he
- 31:25Speaker 1: was a secret assassin in the Vietnam War before forging
- 31:28Speaker 1: his way in the music industry. John went on, I
- 31:32Speaker 1: appreciate you letting me tell you this, even though we
- 31:35Speaker 1: just met. I feel like I could share this with you.
- 31:38Speaker 1: If Jerry ever found out, though, that I was telling
- 31:40Speaker 1: you this, he'd kill me. Thank God for Jerry. Jerry
- 31:45Speaker 1: was John's manager, and John was an absolute sap when
- 31:48Speaker 1: it came to sexy women. And the one in the
- 31:50Speaker 1: bed next to him at the moment was Jerry's new secretary.
- 31:53Speaker 1: She'd be Jerry's ex secretary as soon as Jerry found
- 31:56Speaker 1: out she was stooping. The talent Jerry was Jerry Wintrot,
- 32:00Speaker 1: the ubiquitous concert producer and talent manager of the nineteen seventies.
- 32:04Speaker 1: He took Sinatra out of retirement. He put Elvis on
- 32:07Speaker 1: the road. He introduced led Zeppelin to pube dowbed teenagers
- 32:10Speaker 1: all over America in nineteen seventy. He was an immensely
- 32:14Speaker 1: powerful manager and John Denver was his charge. Jerry was
- 32:19Speaker 1: all street. He kept buy on, charm and grit. He
- 32:21Speaker 1: took no shit. He read more Bronx gangster than Colonel Tom,
- 32:25Speaker 1: and no one questioned it. He saw John Denver as
- 32:28Speaker 1: the precious resource he was. He deserves special attention, special cultivation,
- 32:33Speaker 1: and from the moment he was first exposed to his act,
- 32:36Speaker 1: Jerry wintrob knew that John Denver was a special type
- 32:39Speaker 1: of performer. He appealed to the younger hippie generation, but
- 32:43Speaker 1: could also appeal to their parents. In short, America would
- 32:47Speaker 1: welcome John into their living rooms through their televisions in
- 32:49Speaker 1: a way they wouldn't other rock stars. So Jerry went
- 32:53Speaker 1: to work. He twisted arms to get John on the
- 32:56Speaker 1: MERV Griffin Show. He took out full page spreads in
- 32:59Speaker 1: the trades with touched up photos showing John performing to
- 33:02Speaker 1: enormous crowds, and by the time he was done, John's
- 33:05Speaker 1: television appearances poured the requisite fuel needed onto the fire
- 33:09Speaker 1: set by his singles. Leaving on a jet plane and
- 33:12Speaker 1: take me home country road, and in the process, John
- 33:16Speaker 1: Denver burned up the charts. By nineteen seventy five. His
- 33:20Speaker 1: music was ubiquitous and he was every bit the household
- 33:23Speaker 1: name is Sinatra or Presley, and none of it would
- 33:26Speaker 1: have happened without Jerry Wintrop and not just because of
- 33:30Speaker 1: his music management skills either. Jerry could make things happen, sure,
- 33:34Speaker 1: but he could also make things go away, like John's
- 33:37Speaker 1: military record. Years later, Matt Damon and his dad went
- 33:41Speaker 1: golfing with Jerry Wintrop. Damon's dad gave him shit for
- 33:45Speaker 1: not finishing school at Harvard and graduating, and Jerry Wintrop interjected,
- 33:49Speaker 1: ever the problem solver. You want a diploma. I can
- 33:52Speaker 1: get you a diploma. Damon looked up from his teeth.
- 33:55Speaker 1: How are you going to give me a diploma? Jerry?
- 33:58Speaker 1: I know a guy. Damon, You know a guy? What
- 34:01Speaker 1: the fuck does that mean? Jerry? There is always a guy.
- 34:05Speaker 1: Wintrob's street smarts informed his worldview. There was indeed always
- 34:10Speaker 1: a guy, and when it came to John Denver in
- 34:12Speaker 1: his time in the Vietnam War, Jerry Wintraub most certainly
- 34:15Speaker 1: knew a guy. He had John's record completely expunged, concocting
- 34:22Speaker 1: some fugazy story and records to back it up that
- 34:25Speaker 1: John was marked fore f due to his flat feet,
- 34:28Speaker 1: so John was able to avoid the draft and thus
- 34:30Speaker 1: the military at a time when he most certainly would
- 34:33Speaker 1: have been shipped off to Vietnam. But that was all bullshit.
- 34:36Speaker 1: John Denver definitely served in the military by the time
- 34:40Speaker 1: he'd become a pop star under the making and guidance
- 34:43Speaker 1: of Jerry Weintrout, having a military record wasn't an option.
- 34:47Speaker 1: It would not have played with the peaceful pacifist image
- 34:50Speaker 1: that John in congruently radiated and that America was so
- 34:53Speaker 1: attracted to. Furthermore, Jerry Wintrop cooked up another for cocta
- 34:57Speaker 1: story to completely account for John Denver's time in the military,
- 35:00Speaker 1: including his time in sniper's school at the Air Force
- 35:03Speaker 1: Academy prior. The story went that John ran away from
- 35:07Speaker 1: college to change his name and explore the emerging folk
- 35:09Speaker 1: scene sing for his supper Air Force Academy. What Air
- 35:13Speaker 1: Force Academy, Vietnam? What Vietnam? John was lost in scores
- 35:18Speaker 1: of other wannabe folk musicians in La at the time.
- 35:20Speaker 1: How could he possibly be serving Uncle Sam like the
- 35:23Speaker 1: rest of America's unfortunate sons. Not at that time, no
- 35:26Speaker 1: way ise this story had the benefit of being partially true.
- 35:32Speaker 1: John wasn't in the actual Vietnam War, but he was
- 35:35Speaker 1: in Vietnam. It's just that America wasn't at war yet
- 35:38Speaker 1: and the conflict hadn't yet been given the name of
- 35:41Speaker 1: the Vietnam War. Not yet. But John was one of
- 35:45Speaker 1: the first quote unquote military advisors in Saigon at the
- 35:48Speaker 1: turn of the decade, whereupon he became the most prolific
- 35:51Speaker 1: sniper in military history, recording a total of one hundred
- 35:54Speaker 1: and five kills in just one quick tour, a record
- 35:57Speaker 1: that stood until the War in Afghanistan, where it was
- 35:59Speaker 1: broken by Chris Kyle aka Clint Eastwood and Bradley Cooper's
- 36:03Speaker 1: American Sniper. John had shipped out of San Diego and
- 36:07Speaker 1: landed back on the West Coast when his tour in
- 36:09Speaker 1: Vietnam was through to begin his music career in earnest
- 36:12Speaker 1: that Ledbetters before we moved east to sling his acoustic
- 36:15Speaker 1: in Greenwich Village's folk scene, where he would ultimately meet
- 36:18Speaker 1: Jerry Weintraub and begin his career in the music industry
- 36:21Speaker 1: in earnest But there was an in between time that
- 36:24Speaker 1: neither John nor Jerry could account for. Time between the
- 36:28Speaker 1: Air Force Academy Sniper Academy, and the war. John couldn't
- 36:32Speaker 1: call it up in his memory. The closest he got
- 36:34Speaker 1: to any type of recollection of that lost in between
- 36:37Speaker 1: time was just a nebulous feeling, a feeling of intense guilt.
- 36:42Speaker 1: What happened to him between Sniper Academy and the war? Why?
- 36:46Speaker 1: He wondered? Could he not remember that in between time?
- 36:51Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this word word word. That
- 36:56Speaker 1: in between time, that forgotten time, that time of hence
- 37:00Speaker 1: guilt for John Denver. Only recently of music and history
- 37:03Speaker 1: scholars been able to piece together what happened and bring
- 37:07Speaker 1: light to the truth of what has been regarded as
- 37:09Speaker 1: one of the most disturbing and unbelievable rumors about one
- 37:11Speaker 1: of America's most beloved pop stars. We have the Freedom
- 37:15Speaker 1: of Information Act to thank for this. But before we
- 37:18Speaker 1: begin to unpack this recently leaked treasure trove of innuendo,
- 37:22Speaker 1: we must go back again to the early nineteen sixties
- 37:25Speaker 1: in America's place in the world. President John f Kennedy
- 37:30Speaker 1: had the establishment on edge. The Bay of Pigs was
- 37:33Speaker 1: the debacle. Kennedy, because he had believed he had been
- 37:37Speaker 1: hung out to dry by his own government, had threatened
- 37:40Speaker 1: to destroy the CIA e Howard Hunt's CIA by splintering
- 37:44Speaker 1: it into quote one thousand pieces. In Cuba, Fidel Castro's
- 37:48Speaker 1: revolution resulted in the loss of millions upon millions of
- 37:52Speaker 1: the American mafia's dollars due to their casinos and banks
- 37:55Speaker 1: being nationalized by Castro's new government. The mafia was out,
- 38:00Speaker 1: Cuba had gone commede. Cuba was closed for business, and
- 38:03Speaker 1: communism was spreading elsewhere too. But it wasn't all that bad.
- 38:07Speaker 1: In Vietnam, the Soviets had begun back into the oppressive
- 38:10Speaker 1: North Vietnamese government, who are on maneuvers to overtake the
- 38:13Speaker 1: rest of the country and establish a bigger comedy footprint
- 38:16Speaker 1: in Asia. And this sounded worse than it actually was.
- 38:20Speaker 1: To the American military industrial complex, this little flare up
- 38:23Speaker 1: far from home was more of an opportunity than a threat,
- 38:26Speaker 1: an opportunity to rouse support for democracy and in the
- 38:29Speaker 1: process built out gazillions of dollars in government contracts for
- 38:33Speaker 1: military hardware. Helicopters, explosives, artillery, etc. Vietnam was a goddamn
- 38:40Speaker 1: gold mine if played correctly. But the problem was John F.
- 38:44Speaker 1: Kennedy wasn't playing, not with Vietnam, not with Cuba, not
- 38:47Speaker 1: with the mafia. He resisted his military advisors on doubling
- 38:51Speaker 1: down support for the South Vietnamese saw the conflict as
- 38:54Speaker 1: a potential quagmire. It was someone else's problem and for
- 38:58Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. He had no interest in getting America's
- 39:01Speaker 1: ass kicked again in Cuba. So Castro wasn't going anywhere,
- 39:05Speaker 1: and JFK had turned his pit pull brother US Attorney
- 39:08Speaker 1: General Robert F. Kennedy loose on the mafia, effectively threatening
- 39:11Speaker 1: to destroy it, just as he had explicitly threatened to
- 39:14Speaker 1: destroy the CIA, who, by the way, were the one
- 39:17Speaker 1: American institution with deep interest in all of the above
- 39:21Speaker 1: in Vietnam, in Cuba, and in their unofficial partners, the
- 39:24Speaker 1: mafias e. Howard Hunt's CIA, that is, Haunt knew this
- 39:30Speaker 1: was coming, so did his boss, the Director, and so
- 39:33Speaker 1: did the American business tycoons and political leaders whose interests
- 39:36Speaker 1: the CIA actually served. Kennedy was a problem. He was
- 39:40Speaker 1: an explicit threat as if his unwillingness to play ball
- 39:43Speaker 1: in Vietnam and Cuba weren't enough. He was a fucking Catholic,
- 39:47Speaker 1: no doubt, taking orders from the Pope, and to add
- 39:50Speaker 1: insult to injury, Kennedy seemingly could give a fuck about
- 39:52Speaker 1: American social norms, sticking his dick brazenly in anything to
- 39:56Speaker 1: move while he was President of the United States, apparently
- 40:00Speaker 1: not caring at all who knew about it. It was
- 40:02Speaker 1: an affront to their natural conservatism, a blatant fuck you.
- 40:07Speaker 1: By the end of nineteen sixty three, with the shit
- 40:09Speaker 1: stores swirling around them, all, the CIA and the Mafia
- 40:13Speaker 1: put their collective assets together to stop or to become
- 40:16Speaker 1: an existential threat to their well established way of doing business.
- 40:21Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy Hunt was prepared. He didn't know for
- 40:28Speaker 1: sure which asset he would call into action on that day,
- 40:31Speaker 1: V Day, November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, code named
- 40:36Speaker 1: the Big Show Dallas, Daly Plaza, America's Revelation Day, but
- 40:41Speaker 1: he had an idea it would be the kid. He
- 40:44Speaker 1: was as sure a shot as he'd ever seen. He said,
- 40:46Speaker 1: little showed, little signs of individuality, had taken every single
- 40:50Speaker 1: drop of doc's LSD lace boot camp Digestif he was
- 40:53Speaker 1: ready and there were other assets as well run by
- 40:57Speaker 1: other agents, Hunt and know or care who was running
- 41:00Speaker 1: who or how many shooters would be placed in Dallas's
- 41:02Speaker 1: daily plaza that day. The less he knew the better.
- 41:05Speaker 1: The less other people knew the better as well, and
- 41:07Speaker 1: the less any of them talk to each other, the
- 41:09Speaker 1: less likely it would be for history to piece together
- 41:11Speaker 1: the conspiracy through its conspirators. All Hunt knew was that
- 41:15Speaker 1: the agency would provide a couple shooters, as would Trafficanti's
- 41:19Speaker 1: boys in New Orleans. Hunt had an inkling that Hoover's
- 41:22Speaker 1: men would be on clean up duty, and if either
- 41:24Speaker 1: of their outfits were worth the yardbird shit, there would
- 41:27Speaker 1: be some sort of homegrown Patsy on the scene for
- 41:29Speaker 1: the local unis and national press to devour. Post mortem,
- 41:33Speaker 1: mister Lee Harvey Oswald, They're ready for your close up.
- 41:38Speaker 1: Haunt's asset said nothing on that morning. He just sat
- 41:41Speaker 1: in Hunt's car, secure in the fact that, no matter
- 41:44Speaker 1: what he was being deployed to do down here in Dallas,
- 41:46Speaker 1: that his rifle was close by in the back seat,
- 41:49Speaker 1: and that whatever Hunted planned for him, that it was
- 41:52Speaker 1: God's work. John's mind was two screen rambled that morning.
- 42:01Speaker 1: John knew it now as he sat in the cockpit
- 42:03Speaker 1: of his Routan Long Easy, a small experimental plane with
- 42:07Speaker 1: an oversized wingspan he had long pined over some thirty
- 42:10Speaker 1: four years later. It was all coming back to him now.
- 42:14Speaker 1: The guilt was crystallizing into fully formed memories, prompted by
- 42:18Speaker 1: the news of late and the news was this. Sooner
- 42:22Speaker 1: or later, the truth was coming out. Who killed Kennedy?
- 42:27Speaker 1: The government knew they'd known all along, of course, as
- 42:30Speaker 1: far back as LBJ and then the Warrent commissioned. Despite
- 42:33Speaker 1: whatever bullshit findings they made public regarding Oswald as the
- 42:37Speaker 1: fall guy, the lone gunman, the truth was in those documents.
- 42:41Speaker 1: John got winned from Jerry Weintraup, John's old manager, who'd
- 42:45Speaker 1: helped him cover up his Vietnam War records so John
- 42:48Speaker 1: Denver could go on playing the part of America's most docile,
- 42:51Speaker 1: environmentally friendly, post hippie all American nature boy. John ran
- 42:57Speaker 1: into Jerry at a charity event in Hollywood. It had
- 43:00Speaker 1: been years since they'd been in the same room together,
- 43:03Speaker 1: since John fired him. It seemed that enough time had
- 43:06Speaker 1: passed for the wound to heal, and for Jerry to
- 43:08Speaker 1: let the warm fuzziness of nostalgia overcome his spite for John.
- 43:12Speaker 1: After an awkward hello followed by sincere smiles and an
- 43:15Speaker 1: even more awkward hug, the two men let their bygones
- 43:18Speaker 1: steal away under the din of clinking champagne glasses and
- 43:22Speaker 1: the murmur of the Hollywood elite and attendance dutted out
- 43:25Speaker 1: in Texas and the latest from Versace, Gucci and Prada.
- 43:29Speaker 1: Soon a familiar scene took shape. Jerry Wintrot was holding
- 43:33Speaker 1: court at the bar. A crowd had gathered, including John,
- 43:36Speaker 1: to hear Jerry wax poetic on his pre show biz
- 43:38Speaker 1: days in Brooklyn. He exaggerated his connection to the Bonano
- 43:42Speaker 1: family to gathered big screen socialites. Jerry's stories were a
- 43:45Speaker 1: typical Jerry body street, Jerry rap beefs, Jerry rap pussy,
- 43:50Speaker 1: Jerry rap politics. Sure he knew Trafficante met him in
- 43:53Speaker 1: Vegas way back in the day. The lawyer Waghano introduced him.
- 43:56Speaker 1: Sinatra knew him too, not too well, not as well
- 43:59Speaker 1: as Frank new More and Jerry knew Momo too. Shame
- 44:02Speaker 1: about Big Mo. He was a sweetheart despite his reputation.
- 44:05Speaker 1: He had a big heart. He'd love you if you
- 44:07Speaker 1: let him. But he was a vengeful son of a
- 44:09Speaker 1: bitch like most silience wouldn't let us like go any slight,
- 44:12Speaker 1: small or big. And that was Kennedy's problem. He went
- 44:16Speaker 1: back on his old man's word, and Momo made him pay.
- 44:18Speaker 1: Momo didn't shoot him, of course, No, that would be stupid.
- 44:21Speaker 1: But don't talk to me about Oswald. And no a
- 44:23Speaker 1: single bullet theory. And there were multiple shooters, of course.
- 44:26Speaker 1: In fact, Jerry had it on good authority that the
- 44:28Speaker 1: real shooter, the one stationed on top of the overpass,
- 44:31Speaker 1: that his identity was close to being leaked nationally to
- 44:33Speaker 1: the press, and the government had it. Jerry had a guy.
- 44:37Speaker 1: His guy let him know this if the Freedom of
- 44:40Speaker 1: Information Act was ever successful in compelling the government to
- 44:43Speaker 1: release its full findings on the Kennedy assassination, that there
- 44:46Speaker 1: was a name, the name of another shooter. Not Oswald,
- 44:49Speaker 1: not Woody Harrelson's old man with the two other tramps,
- 44:51Speaker 1: but the actual shooter, the one who fired the kill
- 44:54Speaker 1: shot from the top of the overpass at Daily Plaza,
- 44:56Speaker 1: the one that hit Kennedy's head straight on airing it
- 44:59Speaker 1: up the back. Jerry's guy even gave him the third
- 45:02Speaker 1: shooter's name. Why not it would be public knowledge any
- 45:05Speaker 1: day now. Deutschens Something, Deuschenfeld, Deutschenberg, Deutschenzell, Deuschenfeld, Deutschen Douschen,
- 45:12Speaker 1: deus Deutschendorf. John Denver nearly dropped his drink. What the
- 45:18Speaker 1: fuck was Jerry saying? John felt woozy? Why was Jerry
- 45:22Speaker 1: talking about this? Why had Jerry just publicly uttered that name?
- 45:26Speaker 1: Why did that name sound so familiar? Why did it sting?
- 45:29Speaker 1: It was vengeance, pure and simple. That's why payback from
- 45:33Speaker 1: Jerry for John firing him back in the day. John
- 45:37Speaker 1: was gonna puke or pass out or both. He felt
- 45:39Speaker 1: another blackout coming. On the sound of Jerry wrapping jfk
- 45:43Speaker 1: at to party revelers faded into the background. It was
- 45:45Speaker 1: replaced by the sound of some other sort of celebration,
- 45:48Speaker 1: and then that familiar clinking sound. John put it all
- 45:52Speaker 1: together before Jerry wintrob got the full name off of
- 45:55Speaker 1: his tongue, John Deutschendorff aka John Denver. John's memories flooded back,
- 46:03Speaker 1: recovered full streaming a torrent of guilt. He felt dizzy
- 46:07Speaker 1: even now thinking about it. Days later, and his plane
- 46:09Speaker 1: high above Monterey Bay. Of course, he thought Dallas, nineteen
- 46:14Speaker 1: sixty three. That was the place. That was the last
- 46:17Speaker 1: time he saw Hunt. That was the time between Sniper
- 46:20Speaker 1: Academy and the war. That was the in between time,
- 46:23Speaker 1: the source of all the guilt. He was remembering it all.
- 46:27Speaker 1: Hunt in the driver's seat, Hunt with his instructions, shoot
- 46:31Speaker 1: to kill. He's a commie. He's not what he appears.
- 46:34Speaker 1: He's a mole, a spy working internally to sink America.
- 46:38Speaker 1: Remember your training, you're the weapon. Aim fire, Aim fire,
- 46:43Speaker 1: aim fire. I'll be here when it's done. I'll take
- 46:46Speaker 1: you out. Hunt's words were succinct. They made sense. Hunt
- 46:52Speaker 1: dropped John on the side of the road and give
- 46:54Speaker 1: him a stick of gum for good luck. John remembered
- 46:57Speaker 1: taking it, remembered how chewing it made him feel like
- 47:00Speaker 1: the sides of his skull felt like they were collapsing
- 47:02Speaker 1: in on his brain, his stomach knotted up, and John,
- 47:05Speaker 1: carrying the feeling of repressed giggling with him off into
- 47:08Speaker 1: the crowd. All of it felt like a way more
- 47:10Speaker 1: intense version of the feeling John would get at night
- 47:13Speaker 1: at the Academy, the feeling Docs after dinner digestif gave
- 47:16Speaker 1: him the feeling you would have while listening to Doc's
- 47:19Speaker 1: kill stories, stories of assassins trained to do one thing,
- 47:23Speaker 1: kill on command, with honor, with purpose, God, country your
- 47:28Speaker 1: rifle in that order. It was all wrote to John.
- 47:32Speaker 1: John knew what to do. He focused on the task
- 47:34Speaker 1: at hand. Hunt's orders.
- 47:36Speaker 2: Aim fire, aim fire, aim fire, aim fire, aim fire.
- 47:47Speaker 1: He sprinted out of Hunt's car and up the hilt
- 47:49Speaker 1: of the overpass, rifle in hand. He could hear the
- 47:52Speaker 1: coming motorcade. It was seconds away. John took his spot
- 47:55Speaker 1: on the overpass. The motorcave turned off of Houston Street
- 47:58Speaker 1: and onto Elm headed straight toward John. On top of
- 48:01Speaker 1: the overpass, the book depository was on the mortorcade's right.
- 48:04Speaker 1: John lighted up, his body down the barrel of the scope.
- 48:07Speaker 1: John heard Hunt in his head. John said his trigger.
- 48:09Speaker 1: Figure a second pass. The car drove dead into john sights.
- 48:13Speaker 2: John pulled the trigger when I heard a trifecta of
- 48:16Speaker 2: sonic blues ring.
- 48:17Speaker 1: Out first first split second, there was silence, followed by
- 48:24Speaker 1: the sound of a flock of birds flying off on
- 48:27Speaker 1: mass and then chaos all held broke loose. Immediately there
- 48:37Speaker 1: were screams, cries of terror from the crowd, confusion, sirens,
- 48:41Speaker 1: an epic fuck show. John ran straight into it. It
- 48:45Speaker 1: got swept up into the chaos, into the crowd, and
- 48:47Speaker 1: somehow made it out of Daily Plaza, out from the
- 48:50Speaker 1: clutches of history, unscathed, its done. Hunt was nowhere to
- 48:55Speaker 1: be found. John made it back to the Academy. It
- 48:58Speaker 1: was later learned that Hunt was arrested behind the Grassy
- 49:02Speaker 1: Kno with Charlie Harrelson, Woody Harrelson's father, and Frank Sturgis.
- 49:07Speaker 1: The two, along with E. Howard Hunt, are now known
- 49:09Speaker 1: by JFK conspiracy theorists as the Three Tramps. One or
- 49:13Speaker 1: all are theorized to have been part of a triangulating
- 49:16Speaker 1: shooting team set up strategically to assassinate the President Oswald
- 49:21Speaker 1: in the Book Depository, the three tramps behind the Grassy
- 49:24Speaker 1: Knole and a third shooter up on the overpass. Until now,
- 49:31Speaker 1: there have been no solid theories on who that third
- 49:34Speaker 1: shooter was. John was shell shocked flying high above the
- 49:43Speaker 1: Pacific West Coast. Jerry's words from the Other Night Peppering
- 49:47Speaker 1: his brain. Deutschendorf, Deutschendorf, Deutschendorf was the name, the name
- 49:52Speaker 1: that was about to be leaked, the name of the assassin,
- 49:55Speaker 1: and John knew it was also his real name, John
- 49:59Speaker 1: Denver's realn name. John Denver knew it then, knew it
- 50:02Speaker 1: for sure. Unlike before before Jerry spilled it at the bar,
- 50:06Speaker 1: there was no more unaccounted. In between time, John knew
- 50:09Speaker 1: exactly where he was and what he'd done, and who
- 50:12Speaker 1: he was. He was Henry John Deutschendorff. He was the
- 50:16Speaker 1: assassin John Denver killed John F. Kennedy. It said so
- 50:22Speaker 1: right there in those documents that Jerry was talking about,
- 50:25Speaker 1: the same documents that were about to be released to
- 50:28Speaker 1: the public. And that's what the guilt was about. The
- 50:30Speaker 1: shame that in between time, that's what John Denver's memory
- 50:34Speaker 1: blocked out, the time between the Air Force Academy and
- 50:37Speaker 1: Vietnam because PTSD memory triggers. They're like rubble from an explosion,
- 50:42Speaker 1: scattered pieces of what was once something whole, lying in
- 50:45Speaker 1: a pile, semi recognizable but still dangerous. As the name
- 50:50Speaker 1: Deutschendorf spiraled from Jerry's lips to John's ears. It was
- 50:53Speaker 1: like all the interior parts of a combination lock falling
- 50:56Speaker 1: into place what had for so long been a black hole.
- 50:59Speaker 1: And John's memory was now lit up to reveal his
- 51:02Speaker 1: own horror, and the guilt was stronger than ever. John
- 51:08Speaker 1: sailed on high above the water and his wide winged bruton.
- 51:12Speaker 1: He knew that when he landed he'd never be the same,
- 51:15Speaker 1: not with the knowledge he now had. He'd never be
- 51:18Speaker 1: able to look anyone in the eye again, knowing what
- 51:20Speaker 1: he'd done, how he'd affected history. And to think John
- 51:24Speaker 1: thought Jerry Weintrot was evil, he John Denver was the
- 51:28Speaker 1: evil one, the most efficient sniper in Vietnam history, and
- 51:32Speaker 1: a fucking political assassin to boot. John Denver couldn't let
- 51:36Speaker 1: himself hold on to the gilt anymore, so he let go,
- 51:39Speaker 1: let go of the plane's control column, and cut the engine.
- 51:48Speaker 1: When they found him, the wreckage from John Denver's plane
- 51:51Speaker 1: crash was so grisly it took fingerprints on the plane
- 51:54Speaker 1: to identify the body. Because dental records weren't going to
- 51:58Speaker 1: be an option to what would be John's relief, the
- 52:01Speaker 1: federal government stepped in, and John Denver's real name remains
- 52:05Speaker 1: cloaked behind courtroom debates over extended statutes of limitations on
- 52:09Speaker 1: remaining redacted parts of the Kennedy papers, and because of
- 52:13Speaker 1: that secrecy, John Denver's untarnished legacy lives on, thanks in
- 52:18Speaker 1: part recently to our current President Donald J. Trump, who
- 52:21Speaker 1: on April twenty six, twenty eighteen, upheld the redacted parts
- 52:26Speaker 1: of the Kennedy papers, presumably the part with the name
- 52:29Speaker 1: John Deutschendorff mentioned as the assassin, and so John Denver's
- 52:33Speaker 1: secret is safe for the moment. JFK conspiracy theorists know
- 52:40Speaker 1: the truth. Recently, the name Deutschendorff has been going around
- 52:44Speaker 1: the Internet in connection with the Kennedy papers, which is
- 52:47Speaker 1: how I came to know of it. It's only a
- 52:49Speaker 1: matter of time before some journalist's freedom of information request
- 52:53Speaker 1: wins in court and the papers get released. Currently, the
- 52:56Speaker 1: papers are scheduled for twenty twenty one release, and from
- 52:59Speaker 1: there once widely available to the public. It won't take
- 53:03Speaker 1: non music scholars too long to piece together John Deutschendorff
- 53:07Speaker 1: to John Denver, the man who killed John F. Kennedy.
- 53:11Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan, and this is an April Fools edition
- 53:16Speaker 1: of Disgraceland. Happy April Fool's Day, everyone, Thank you for
- 53:36Speaker 1: hanging out there with me on this episode. John Denver,
- 53:39Speaker 1: in the long totally false rumor that he was one
- 53:41Speaker 1: of Vietnam's most prolific snipers, has been amiss forever that
- 53:44Speaker 1: I've wanted to mess with, and I was happy to
- 53:46Speaker 1: do so in this episode. Of course, again totally not true,
- 53:49Speaker 1: and neither, obviously is his involvement of any kind in
- 53:52Speaker 1: the jfk assassination. It is all, as I said at
- 53:55Speaker 1: the introduction of this episode, satirical I hope it got
- 53:59Speaker 1: yet was created by yours truly and is produced in
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