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Patriots Catch-22 8/12: Takeaways from Joint Practice with Colts, Preseason Game 1 Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: So I think it is fair to say that to
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  Speaker 1: Mario Douglas had a really strong summer last year too.
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  Speaker 2: This feels better, though, I think that feels different.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree these are not fully tackled to the
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  Speaker 1: ground type of practices. So a jitterbug speed slot receiver
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  Speaker 1: is going to be tough to cover in this kind
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  Speaker 1: of setting. But when they break out into team drills,
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  Speaker 1: the first three receivers on the field have pretty consistently
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  Speaker 1: All right, enough of that and enough pleasantries. We have
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  Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Alex so enough pleasantries here today.
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  Speaker 1: detail look at what it looks like on the inside,
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  Speaker 1: show a little bit. But we have a ton to
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  Speaker 1: talk about today. Alex and I were both at the
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  Speaker 1: joint practice yesterday with the Colts, and there's a preseason
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  Speaker 1: game tomorrow night. Now Drake May is not going to play,
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  Speaker 1: and I would imagine that that list would include Drake May,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, Milton Williams, AJ Brown, pretty much all the
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  Speaker 1: frontline players that are veterans. I doubt we'll play, but
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  Speaker 1: still we'll talk about players to watch and what we'll
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  Speaker 1: be watching for tomorrow night as well. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to start with the joint practice. And I have about
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  Speaker 1: ten or so takeaways here. I say or so because
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  Speaker 1: I added a bullet just for you at the end
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't I can't believe you almost missed this
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have on my list. But I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: allow a punter minute for you at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Allow. I'm going to allow it so kind of you
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  Speaker 2: to allow me to talk about one of the best
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  Speaker 2: players on the field yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll allow the punter talk. I'll give you a
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  Speaker 1: minute at the end here of this of our takeaway segment.
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  Speaker 1: But I wanted to start Drake May. I know that
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales is also a big story, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get to that after we talk about Drake, but
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  Speaker 1: with Drake May, the you know, I wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: one of those practices out of Drake May. At some point.
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily ride the roller coaster and need every
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  Speaker 1: practice to be perfect, right, like it's training camp, it's practice.
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  Speaker 2: We know who Drake May is. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily going into it thinking that way anymore
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  Speaker 1: about a young quarterback where you know, maybe you're evaluating
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  Speaker 1: practice really closely and everything is you know, Zubruta filmed
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  Speaker 1: and overanalyze and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily look at it like that.
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  Speaker 1: But they have three joint practices yesterday with the Colts
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  Speaker 1: and then too next week with the Eagles, and one
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  Speaker 1: of those three practices, Alex I wanted to see Drake
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  Speaker 1: Drake May May right like I wanted to see him
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  Speaker 1: go out there and look like an MVP candidate and
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  Speaker 1: light it up. And for ninety five percent of yesterday's practice,
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty close to being pants off, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I was pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: To being that glowing about how he performed in practice
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  Speaker 1: and how the offense performed. I would actually say, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to this too. The first and second team offense,
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  Speaker 1: not just the first stringers, but Tommy DeVito and the
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  Speaker 1: second stringers have been lighting it up too. So I
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  Speaker 1: was this close, and then we got to the two
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  Speaker 1: minute really one minute, one minute, and twelve seconds on
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  Speaker 1: the clock at the end of practice where each side,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones got to turn, Drake May got to turn,
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  Speaker 1: and he throws the pick and practice. And I wrote
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  Speaker 1: yesterday in my takeaways, my headline for ninety five percent
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  Speaker 1: of practice was really good day for Drake May. And
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  Speaker 1: then we have to talk about the interception. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to just harp too much on the interception.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to ignore it either. But I thought
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  Speaker 1: up until that point, I mean downfield throws to Romeo Dobs,
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  Speaker 1: to aj Brown to bol tight ends. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: times early on in practice, when they were doing some
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  Speaker 1: of the play action stuff, I thought they had the
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  Speaker 1: play action passing game really going, where they're hitting seams
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  Speaker 1: and crossing routes and things like that to the tight ends.
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  Speaker 1: Off of play action. A couple of beauties in the
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  Speaker 1: red zone periods to Remondre Stevenson that aren't technically deep balls,
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  Speaker 1: but in the red zone vertical routes out of the backfield,
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  Speaker 1: to Remindre Stephenson, I really thought that he was kind
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  Speaker 1: of dealing.
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  Speaker 2: And then we got to the pick.
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  Speaker 1: What were your overall impressions of Drake May's day I
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  Speaker 1: know we were texting about this a little bit last night.
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  Speaker 1: I think you said you gave it a B plus.
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  Speaker 1: Was that on the crossover? Yeah? So what were your
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  Speaker 1: overall impressions of Drake May and then just the offense
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  Speaker 1: as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was really good. It all looked
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  Speaker 2: really smooth. The interception at the end sucks because and
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  Speaker 2: we talk about this every year. We usually do our
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  Speaker 2: like how to watch training camp shot. Actually don't think
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  Speaker 2: we did it this year, but yeah, the closer a
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  Speaker 2: rep is to simulating a game, the most valuable it is.
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  Speaker 2: So that can be are you in pads? Yes or no?
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  Speaker 2: Is it eleven on eleven? Yes or no? Is there
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  Speaker 2: another team there? Yes or no? Is there like music
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  Speaker 2: or noise or something? Is the clock running?
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  Speaker 5: So?
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  Speaker 2: Yadd it all up. That one minute drill there was
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  Speaker 2: one of the most valuable reps camp and they he
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  Speaker 2: ended it with a pick, which sucks because he made
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  Speaker 2: some good throws before. And I don't hate the idea, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he made a mental mistake. He just
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  Speaker 2: under threw the ball. Yeah, he gets more zip on that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a touchdown. It's total pants off. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be a hypocrite to kind of set these practices
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  Speaker 2: up the way I do and those drills up the
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  Speaker 2: way I do and not take a little more off.
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  Speaker 2: But besides that, he was really good. I thought he
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  Speaker 2: spread the ball well. Throw the day to Romeo Dobbs
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  Speaker 2: up the sideline was a butte right, and the bread
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  Speaker 2: basket had another one similar the one to Remandre, which
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  Speaker 2: is one of the few times he did get pressure.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to the line a second. It was almost
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  Speaker 2: take out the fifteen seconds of scrambling, and it was
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  Speaker 2: basically the throw he made to Amandra in the Tennessee game.
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  Speaker 2: We're just kind of fadeaway, shot, puts it right and
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  Speaker 2: it just falls right into Stevenson. So liked a lot.
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  Speaker 2: The one play didn't like happen to be a rep
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  Speaker 2: that holds more weight, so that sucks. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: thought he had a good day. I think if that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of what you're going to get out of him
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  Speaker 2: this year short of that last play, that's a great sign.
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  Speaker 2: And part of that was I thought, and we had
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  Speaker 2: talked about this on the last show, what do you
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  Speaker 2: make of the offensive line having a really good camp
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  Speaker 2: in pass protection? We'll get to the run game, but
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  Speaker 2: having a really good camp in pass protection when the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots edge rush in front has these questions, colts front's
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  Speaker 2: good Colts have a legit front, and I again, maybe
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  Speaker 2: two or three plays where Drake may would pressure, I
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  Speaker 2: thought mostly up the middle. Honestly, the biggest mark I
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  Speaker 2: had against the offensive line wasn't even a pressure. Because
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  Speaker 2: you run twenty four plays, you're gonna get a couple pressures.
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  Speaker 2: You don't expect them to be perfect. The biggest mark
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  Speaker 2: I had against was Elijah Arrah Tucker at a false
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  Speaker 2: start in the one minute. That kind of killed the
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  Speaker 2: momentum where it was right before the interception. So obviously,
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  Speaker 2: in that situation you don't want to be false starting.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought the line held up very well. And
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  Speaker 2: then the receivers Aja Brown was getting open, Romeo Dobbs
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  Speaker 2: made some nice plays. Ramonder Stevens in a really good
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  Speaker 2: day catching the football. Eli Reridan was involved, so I
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  Speaker 2: thought they looked like outside of that, the two instances
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  Speaker 2: in the one minute, the fall start and then the interception,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, cohesively all eleven guys was a very well
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  Speaker 2: rounded effort from the offense. Yeah, I accept and sorry,
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  Speaker 2: and even in the run game, which has not been
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  Speaker 2: good this summer, I thought they ran the ball well too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll get to the pick in a second.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the most encouraging thing is what you just mentioned, though,
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  Speaker 1: is I did think in lou aner Rumo's defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: now for the Colts, and a pretty good DC and
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good schemer on that side of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: You know, DeForest Buckner is a problem, Grover Stewart's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: La Tu Ladu is kind of an underrated up and
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  Speaker 1: coming former first round pick. He's a problem as well.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought that the protection was really good for
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  Speaker 1: most of the day, just like Drake May's pick. The
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  Speaker 1: one minute drill was a little sloppier for the protection.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Barry Tucker gave up a pressure to Buckner
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  Speaker 1: early that I think probably would have been a sack
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  Speaker 1: in a game if it was a game situation. And
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  Speaker 1: then they I thought they gave up a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of pressure on the interior on the interception as well,
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  Speaker 1: So maybe it all kind of fell apart a little
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  Speaker 1: bit there for them at the end. But what I
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  Speaker 1: was most encouraged by was the Colts were running a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pass rush fronts. You know, five six guys
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  Speaker 1: up on the line of scrimmage, we're gonna drop some
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  Speaker 1: guys out, We're gonna blit some guys, and you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna necessarily know where exactly it's coming from.
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  Speaker 2: And the Patriots had.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to we're not really supposed to unveil
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  Speaker 1: too much about the formations and stuff like that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure they'll put it on tape in the regular season
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  Speaker 1: eventually we can talk more in detail about it. The
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  Speaker 1: Patriots had some things that they were doing protection wise
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  Speaker 1: to give Drake May some more time against those blitzes
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  Speaker 1: that I really liked, and that was one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that we all were hoping to see was from
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  Speaker 1: Drake May, a little bit better command at the line
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  Speaker 1: of scrimmage, a little bit better handling of protections, having answers,
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  Speaker 1: whether those are hots hot routes or protection answers to blitzes.
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  Speaker 1: It's practice. It's not like they were really coming after him.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought that they had some nice, neat little
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  Speaker 1: wrinkles that they were throwing at the Colts to give
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  Speaker 1: him time. You know, a couple of those plays that
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  Speaker 1: we talked about that were down the field, especially the
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  Speaker 1: one to Romeo Dobbs. They kind of loaded up the
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  Speaker 1: protection and gave him a chance to kind of take
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  Speaker 1: a shot down the field again single coverage on the outside,
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  Speaker 1: and they were able to get it blocked and get
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  Speaker 1: that playoff and get Romeo dobs down the field. All
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  Speaker 1: those things were highly encouraging from May's and I'd just
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  Speaker 1: like to see not that it's surprising from him, but
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  Speaker 1: you kind of know when Drake May is hitting explosive
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  Speaker 1: plays and big plays down the field that he's that's
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  Speaker 1: when he's starting to feel it, right, is when he's
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  Speaker 1: making downfield throws. On the interception, I think you summed
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  Speaker 1: it up good. I don't think it was a bad decision.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was a bad read.
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was an underthrow and I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to overcomplicate.
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  Speaker 2: It beyond that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe slightly late, and I thought that it was slightly
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  Speaker 1: late because there was some pressure. They ran a stunt inside.
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  Speaker 1: It looked to me like it was Michael Clemens and Buckner.
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  Speaker 1: Some people had some different numbers. Things are moving fast
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  Speaker 1: in the inside there, but they ran a little twist
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  Speaker 1: with the tackles the defensive tackles inside, and it just
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  Speaker 1: made Drake may drift just a little bit to his left.
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  Speaker 1: He felt it coming from his right and he drifted
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  Speaker 1: us off his spot just ever so slightly. And I'm
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: going to cross sports here for a second. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, you know how in hockey when somebody times
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  Speaker 1: up a one timer, but then the pass isn't perfect
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  Speaker 1: so they can they have to take it kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of scratch, yeah, or.
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  Speaker 1: You know like in uh, you know in soccer, where
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  Speaker 1: like you know, you don't hit it on the first touch,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of hit it, you catch it, then you
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  Speaker 1: hit it. That was sort of how I felt like
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  Speaker 1: with this one. If he had thrown it right on
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  Speaker 1: time at the top of the drop, I think it
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  Speaker 1: gets over the safety and kind of leads Pop Douglas
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  Speaker 1: into the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: But that extra little hitch that he took in.
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  Speaker 1: The pocket was just enough time for Cam buying them
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  Speaker 1: to kind of get deeper in where he was on
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  Speaker 1: the field and get in front of the ball. So
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  Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think that it was a bad read.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Pop Douglas was open, but I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was going to take a good throw to get it
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  Speaker 1: into the window in the back of the end zone
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  Speaker 1: and it just wasn't a good throw. And I you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't need to overcomplicate it, but that's what it was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that those situations, and we saw it with
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  Speaker 1: him a little bit last week as well. He threw
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  Speaker 1: two interceptions in a one minute drill in that one practice.
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  Speaker 1: Was that last week, right, they're all blooding together, yes,
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  Speaker 1: where he threw pick to Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones undercut
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  Speaker 1: a route by Kishon Boody, Mike Rabill, let them rerack
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  Speaker 1: and take another shot at it, and then he threw
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  Speaker 1: a pick to Kevin Bayern, right, And those situations are
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  Speaker 1: part of it, Like it's not a game, but raising
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  Speaker 1: the stakes as much as you possibly can in the
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  Speaker 1: practice to put some pressure on you with a clock
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  Speaker 1: and with the coaches to the side. Just no you know,
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  Speaker 1: hands on coaching going on or anything you would like
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  Speaker 1: to see next week against Philadelphia him finish the job
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  Speaker 1: right and complete those anything else on Drake may I
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  Speaker 1: have some other thoughts on the offense, but is on
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  Speaker 1: him specifically. I think that's it all right, As I'm
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: dying over here. Per usual at this time of year,
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  Speaker 1: the allergies. I don't know what it is. I just
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  Speaker 1: get killed every summer. Let's talk about Christian Gonzales. So
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: he did get hurt. Hurts a big word. He did
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  Speaker 1: get banged up, yep, in practice on Monday. I saw
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  Speaker 1: it at the end of practice. I'm sure you did too.
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  Speaker 1: He went up to contest the pass with Romeo Dobs.
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  Speaker 1: Romeo Doubs caught it. Both guys went to the ground,
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  Speaker 1: landed on the ground hard, and Gonzales was clearly limping
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  Speaker 1: and trying to walk it off. After the play looked
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  Speaker 1: extremely minor, didn't look like it was anything serious. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't stop practice or anything like that to attend to him.
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  Speaker 1: But he gets a little bit banged up, and then
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  Speaker 1: he's not out there on Tuesday against the Colts, and
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  Speaker 1: I have to mention it because it happened. Then he
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  Speaker 1: posts something on his Instagram, on his social media, you know,
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  Speaker 1: cryptic message on social media. Now we're all reading into
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: yesterday's absence. Is that is start of a hold in,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: hold out, whatever you want to call it. Where are
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  Speaker 1: you at right now with Christian Gonzalez's absence?
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  Speaker 2: Really hard to know me?
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'm assuming Mike Rabel will get asked
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: about it tomorrow after the game, even though he's not
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: going to play in the game, it's still the number
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: one question with the team. And then we'll see if
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: he's out there on Saturday, I guess when they get
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: back out to practice. So we don't know a lot.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: But that's what we do know right now, is that
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: he got banged up towards the end of Monday's practice,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't out there yesterday.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: So I think this could be three things. And like
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: you said, it's hard to know because we have the information. Look,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I heard or not, contract or not. I don't think
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: he would play tomorrow, like, no matter what. Agree if
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Drake's not playing, I don't think Gonzalez is playing, So
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: that's I don't I don't think we're learning anything about
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalz's status unless he plays, which would be shocking.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: The only thing that we might learn is that it's
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the number one question right now to ask in Mike
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Rabel's press conference after the game.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: That's yes, that's fair. But short of that, yeah, if
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: he's back on Saturday or even Sunday when they return
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: a practice, all right, he banged up, If he's not back,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: you know, then it's his the end the contract, and
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: then there's the other outcome where so there were the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: questions of all right, you know, Gonzale, is he gonna
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: be out there, how much is going to participate? Okay,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: it's fully participating in no pads. What about when the
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: pads come on? Okay, he's fully participating in a pad
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of practices. The joint practices are a little bit different.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying the Colts are going to be malicious
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: or anything, because I don't think that was the case.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: It's actually a very clean practice. Yes to say there's
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: one little kerfluffle, yeah, whatever you want to call it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that who are the Niners with
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: the Broncos? Did they work? I think they had four
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: fights in the first ten minutes. So, I again, I'm
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: not putting the Colts on anything. There's just a natural
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: element of when you face another team, you're gonna go
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit harder and you maybe don't have that
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: element of you're gonna hold up a little bit to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: protect your teammates and that sort of thing. So does
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Gonzalz look at the joint practices and say, look, I'm
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: gonna go out here. I'm gonna compete. I'm gonna practice,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: but any practice, but I it's not as controlled of
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: an environment. I'm gonna take a step back in these.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: If he returns and then doesn't practice against the Eagles,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: that would be very notable. If he doesn't return at all, well,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: now you know you have an injury that we have
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to worry about for the start of the season, because
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: that would be relevant too. I think some people saw
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Greg Badard's report yesterday that he's banged up, and that's
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: why mispractice, Yeah, has almost kind of a relief, like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: all right, he's not starting a holdout. Well, you don't
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: want to be hurt either, Like that's not good. Yeah.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And then there's I don't think that if it's an injury,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's very minor.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, it just based off how and it could be
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit of both. It could be Look, could
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I go out there today, maybe, but I'm not gonna
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: risk without a contract and that kind of thing. So,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: like you said, it's really hard to know right now,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: but it would be really interesting to see how he
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: handles the next week.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So that was my read on it, and this is
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: just my opinion strictly, but it felt to me like
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of column MAY and a little
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: bit of column B in that if he's one hundred
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: percent healthy, he's going to practice. But when you're in
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: a situation that Gonzales is in where he's looking for
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a new contract and he's in an act of contract negotiation,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the second that you get a little banged up in practice,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I can totally understand, you know, putting your foot on
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: the brake and saying whoa, whoa. But you know, let's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: let's slow down here and not risk it. I use
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the comparison as a completely different situation. But last year,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the Celtics returned totally file with Jason Tatum
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: playing until he his CAF started to flare up. As
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: soon as his cat flared up, it was like, no,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: we're shutting you down. We don't care if it's a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: game seven, this is in game seven. This isn't the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: same situation. But I think with Gonzales there could be
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of that going on, where it's the.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Agent and him decide.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: As long as everything's going smoothly and you're one hundred
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: percent healthy and you're feeling good, and your body's feeling
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: good practice, but the second that there's a little hamstring
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: poll or an ankle twist or something like that, or
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna shut it down. And I think
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that that might be what happened. Now we'll find out
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: more on Saturday. Well, we'll see if he's out there.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll find out more tomorrow night after the game
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: of Rabel addresses it in his press conference as far
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: as how the practice went yesterday. For the defense, I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: was focused mostly offense. I'll put that caveat on this.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I did watch the defense a little bit, and we
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: all watched the defense at the end, but I did
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: go and I like to do this with joint practices.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I read what some of the Colts writers were writing
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: about the practice because I think everybody always leans a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: little bit positive towards the team they cover in these things.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So the Colts people felt like the outside receivers and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: again no Gonzales, no Carlton Davis for the Patriots, no
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Alec Pierce for the Colts, kind of a wash in
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: my opinion.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: They didn't have their best outside guy.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Patriots didn't have their best outside corners guys yeah, yeah,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Josh Downs did practice against Marcus Jones, and Tyler Warren.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Was out there, Tyler Warden was very much outing. Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. So I would
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: say that it was kind of hard to tell how
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: effective the Patriots defense was because they were down three
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: really important players. No Gonzales, no Davis, no Barmore. So
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: when you are without three of your best players and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: your two years starting both your starting corners outside corners,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much to really take away from
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that from the practice from a defensive standpoint, but it
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: did feel, especially that last two minute drive by Daniel Jones,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it did feel like the Colts offense found some success
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: against the defense. Specifically, I would say Tyler Warren, who
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in that one minute drill was uncoverable. I think he
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: got three passes, including the one that got them down
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: there to set up the touchdown that they scored at
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the end of practice. So what did you see from defensively?
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Big picture and then I've got some little picture things too,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: nuggets A one.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I didn't watch as much of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the defense just because again they especially the defense, like
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the guy really wanted to watch was Akus Yeah, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: he was mostly the second year. I thought he was
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: good from what I saw how it would be sacked.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But the bigger thing for me, Yeah, and coverage. They
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: struggled in that cornerback battle. It was Prunty and Vildor
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: were the two that got the one minute tro but
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: we saw Kobe Minor mix in. We saw chanting Canada
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: mix in. That's one of the big things I'm gonna
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: watch for tomorrow night, like who from that group because
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: it looked like it was gonna be Prunty and then
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: he's kind of cooled off a little bit. Who from
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that group is going to step up and win that
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: cornerback job.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my question that I wanted to facilitate with.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Now that you bring that up, well, just.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Real quick before that go ahead. My big takeaway was
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the run defense. Now, look, the gold run game is sick, right,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: They've got Quit Nelson. Watching Jonathan Taylor Cutt in person
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: is unreal. It's just it's different. He looks different. But
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: through the start of camp, and we were surprised by this,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the Patriots couldn't run the ball. They invested in the
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: run game in the offseason. They lost Kyris Tonga. Okay,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: what's just going to look like? And the run defense
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: had been really good to this point. What happened he
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: have today that flip? Patriots ran the ball well. Colts
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: ran the ball well. So I was kind of surprised
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: by that. I don't know if that's the anomaly. I
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: don't know what the first thirteen days of the anomaly,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: but that was my big takeaway from the defense was
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: they couldn't really stop the run.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially it felt like on the edges he had
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: had some bounces and things like that that we saw.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: You know, Kenneth Walker obviously will win a Super Bowl
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: MVP doing Not too long ago you mentioned those corners though,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think that was that was the biggest thing I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: guess defensively that you could probably take away because Kendall,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Vildor and Prunty and maybe a little bit of minor uh,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: those three guys got so much run because Davis and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Gazales weren't out there. Who out of those three would
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: you say?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Right now? You're are you still a punty guy? Like?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Where are you at with that group right now? H?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm still a prunty guy, but like it's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: pretty open. I don't know that I'm like locking in
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: with any one player.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I thought Kendall Vildor had a rough week last week.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: He's been better.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I think he's been better the last couple of days.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I think he was okay yesterday. But in those situations,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: we know how this goes. The tie is going to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: go to the draft pick. Like if they're about even
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the rookie that has upside is going to win that
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: job over a guy like Kindaville Door is kind of
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a journeyman. I did notice Elijah Ponder a couple of
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: times well, looking over there on the to the defense. Uh,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: he kind of blew up like a boot screenplay that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I think was going to go for a big game.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: He broke up the pass at the line of scrimmage
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and batted the ball down and then I had him
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: with another pressure sack whatever you want to call it
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: in practice.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: So I thought that he showed up a few times.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I thought Actus showed up a few times that you
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: mentioned really good bull rush on the left tackle. I
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: think it was their backup left tackle, not Raymond, but
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it was still a good bull rush that I noticed
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: as well. A couple more things on the defense and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: then we'll go back over to the offense. Tyler Warren,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Tyler Warren tore him apart. It seemed like the the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: one minute drill was it showcased on the big stage
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: at the end there. But overall I thought Tyler Warren
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: kind of ate them up in this practice. Now, I said,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we said the same thing coming out of the Minnesota
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: practices last year that TJ. Hockinson had a big week
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: against In those Vikings practices, Statistically they settled down against
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: tight ends last year. They weren't terrible defensively against tight ends.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go yards per game or whatever
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: stat you want to use passer rating, whatever.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, we saw.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: This yesterday and Warren just looked like, on a different level,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: how did you feel about just them covering tight ends?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Because I think to me that's one of the things
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: with this defense that remains sort of enigma is I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: don't really know exactly if they have one plan. Like
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's defenses were very clear how they were going
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to cover tight ends. They had one safety like a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Patrick Chung or something like that, whose job it was
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to cover the tight end. This defense, does it a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: little bit more by committee. You know, sometimes the linebackers
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: are on the tight end, sometimes the safeties are on
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the tight ends. Sometimes they're in zone. You know, it's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a different sort of defense.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Them covering tight ends right now? Because Warren definitely was noticedab.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be something to watch again. Now, Christian
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Ellis did go out during that practice, and that's a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: role that he would usually at least help with, so
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that it comes to that caveat. But also like they're
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: kind of thin linebackers, so that matters. This is where
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: we talked about. Do we talk about last week or
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: two weeks ago that they're trying to find that third safety. Yes,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and it kind of seems like Dell Pettis has settled
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: into that role a little bit. John Saunders did have
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: another pick yesterday, albeit with the twos, but maybe that
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: guy stepping up is what helps. But yeah, it's gonna
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: be a question mark going into the season and they
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: face ends.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they placed the Steelers right, So Patarmouth as a
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: good player, Your boy down Washington obviously is still in Pittsburgh.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a whole other. In Week four, Anders Bowers
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: at some bowers after Buffalo. Then how much you believe
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: in Kenyan Sadik with the Jets yea, the Bears ye Loveland.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I know who Miami's tight end is. And
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: then you know if Tucker Kraft still playing in early October,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: rightly November?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they they they faced a good schedule of
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: tight ends. So yeah, something to note. I mean, I
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like I said, last year, they statistically grated out pretty
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: good against tight ends. It wasn't like it became a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: glaring issue once they got into the season. But that's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: what we saw out there yesterday. Moving back over to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the offense, a couple more notes I had on the offense.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: How encouraged are you are?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Do you share in my encouragement of the progress that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs is making, because I think every day Romeo
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: dobs looks a little bit better and a little bit
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: more confident of there.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: It's been a little herky jerky like slow starts. Then
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: he had a couple good days, then he kind of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: got quiet for a couple of days and he was
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: away for personal reason, came back, was quiet. Now he's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: had two good practices again, So it's not progress isn't
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: linear sometimes, like AJ Brown's just been yeah, h straight
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: nine why equals MX plus B or whatever it is?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Like straight up, it's been a little more all over
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the place for Romeo Dobbs. But again, like I said,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: with the Drake May interception, that's the practice you're gonna
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: weigh the most. It's against another team, and it was one
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: of his better practices of the summer. So I'm encouraged
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: by that. I'm still not totally there. Like with AJ Brown,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like Drake May and AJ Brown I'd like
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to see a little more from the deep ball, but
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: kind of feel like they're good to go heading into
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the regular season, like they're more or less I think
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: where they need to be. Certainly by this point on
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the calendar. I'm still not quite there with Dobbs, but
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I like the progress he's making and I'll say he's
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: turning the corner. I don't know that it's fully turned
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to it yet, but I'll say I think he might
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: be starting to turn the corner.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was encouraged by the types of routes that
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: he's getting targeted on. I think are slowly shifting and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: maybe that's just coincidental and I'm looking too much into it,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: but we talked about it, I think last week with
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: these are two different, very different types of players in
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: terms of this Z receiver role in this offense, going
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: from Stefan Diggs to Romeo Dobbs, like they're not similar
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: really at all, right, And so my whole thing was,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I think maybe this is more of a usage adapting
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the role to Romeo Dobbs thing, and it was that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs is not a good player, because we've seen
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs produce in Green Bay, so we know that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: he's a solid NFL receiver. I think that this is
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: maybe Drake Mame, Josh McDaniels and Romeo Dobbs figuring out
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: each other and figuring out how to use each other.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I think in the last couple of practices we've seen
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a lot more catch points stuff from Romeo Dobbs.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: We've seen stuff further.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Down the field than maybe where Diggs was playing and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the areas that Diggs was playing in last year.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: You know, the go ball down the sideline.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Diggs caught a few of those, but that wasn't like
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a feature part of his repertoire last year.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Dobbs shook a Colt.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Defender in the end zone and red zone work yesterday,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: got open at the top of the route and made
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a strong catch in the back of the end zone.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: The one against Gonzalez on Monday where he goes and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: high points the ball, you know, kind of a corner
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: fade ball and he goes up and gets it. Those
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: are the things that I think are more in his
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: arsenal in terms of the strong hands, the ability to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: track the ball, ability to use his size. And he's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a six foot one, six foot two receiver. This is
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: not Pop Douglas, right, We're not talking about a guy
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: who's five foot nine. So these things I think are
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: starting to come along with him a little bit more
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and more each day. You're starting to see Drake may
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: trust to throw him open a little bit more and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: trust that he's going to win the ball a little
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: bit more down the field. And look, I think that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: there's some concern that I have about it because I'm
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a speed guy.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I love adding speed elements to the offense.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: They're going to be very.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Back shoulder, go ball over the shoulder, make a catch
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and traffic. They're gonna they're gonna be a contested.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Catch team above the rim they are, and how do
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: we feel about that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's a bad thing. I will
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: admit that it. You know, I I like the wee
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: speed guys, I do, but that's the way I stand that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: That's the way that this looks.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Even if Kaishaon Boodi is still here, he's gonna be
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: a big part of that too, But specifically with AJ
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Brown and Romeo Dobbs, it does feel like there's gonna
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: be a lot of jump balls down the field to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: those guys as the big plays in this offense.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So I guess within the fast and there could also
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: be an element of a big d right. I will
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: say this. If I were building a team, which I'm not,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't that that wouldn't be my focus. But
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: if you were gonna build a team an offense where
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the plan is to play, go up and get a football,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: they're built for it. Yeah, we like if If if
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you have it's a J. Brown who is tall than
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you and can higher than you, it's Romeo Dobbs is
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: kind of the same thing. Eli Raridan is massive. Yep.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry's a good like yeah, even we've seen Ramondra
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Stevenson be really good on some contested catches. I don't
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: think you want a major in throwing back shoulder fades
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to your running back right if he can make the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: play sick and that that's kind of what they've built
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: is a team that's just gonna bully the crap out
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: of defensive backs and it's gonna be really fun to watch. Again,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's there, aren't that. It's it's a
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: really tough skill. What's that stat that, like the corner fade,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: it's like fifty percent of those passes to Calvin Johnson
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: or complete, and it's like fourteen percent or something to
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: every other receiver in history or something like that. So
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of you've seen this, Like Calvin Johnson,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: they used that number so extremely.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot more like it's more the goal
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: line fade that that people in my mind world, the nerds,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the analytics people hate because we've done a lot of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: not me personally, but there's been a lot of studies
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: in terms of is a goal line fade actually a
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: good play? And the numbers bear out that it's a
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: very low percent.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson is the only receiver in NFL history to
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: catch over fifty percent of his goal line fades. League
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: average is thirty three percent. And that's not all they're doing.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Like we've seen them do a lot of like back
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: of the end zone, like run the endline, throw it up,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: go up, get the ball, goalpost kind of thing. But
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of guys that are good at that.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Usually you have one, maybe two guys that can do that.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Because there's more I don't know, Evan, would you agree
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: there's more speed guys than side guys playing receiver in
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the NFL nowadays, or even a tight end.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I would say, like separation is such a buzzword.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: There's more separation guys like bullyball guys.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like everybody's looking for separators.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Right for the most part. This is is this a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: little Belichick zig when they had everybody's looking for separators.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: So the Patriots go out in the market that's a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: little depressed on bullyball pass catchers and they go get
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: some damn good ones. Yeah, and they I mean, they
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: still guys that can separate. Pop Douglas right in ftin Chishlm.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: But that's possible.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I think that when you have a quarterback like Drake
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: May who's so pinpoint accurate down the field, Yeah, he
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: can throw receivers open.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And kind of fearless too. I don't think there are
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think every quarterback would want to play this
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: way because there's risk. Yeah, but you got to be fearless,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and Drake May is fearless, and I think that that
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: it can bite him at times, but it's definitely more
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of a strength in a weakness for him.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: When you can pull the string and throw a guy
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: open on a back shoulder, or you can put it
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: up on a platter on the back of the end zone,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or you can drop it perfectly in the bucket over
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the guy's shoulder and just have him kind of shield
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the catch point from the defender trying to get in
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: on the ball.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Rip it between two defenders. When you have.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Guys like a quarterback like that that can do that,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: then these types of receivers that can win the football
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: down in the field when it's in the air can
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: be advantageous. The speed guys can be advantageous for a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: deep ball thrower too. But I think that that's Drake
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: May has talked a little bit about being more accustomed
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to throwing the bigger guys. He's talked about, you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: joked about it probably a little bit more than it
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: being real, but that he used to throw to his
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: brothers in the backyard. All the may brothers are like six',
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: five they're all, giants so, he you, know he kind
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: of feels maybe a little bit more COMFORT i think
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: in throwing to bigger, bodies guys with larger catch. Radiuses
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you also you don't have to be as accurate because
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: they can erase, accuracy, Right like they can go outside
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: their frame and they can catch a ball that's a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: little bit inaccurate or a little bit high or something like.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: That so there's all that element of it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Too it just is something THAT i think stands out
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: in all these practices that that's Why Pop douglas's role
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: is so important in this. Offense and then the guy
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: THAT i want to bring up next Is Kyle. WILLIAMS
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: i think that's why he has a support of the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: head coach and that he's going to be around is
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: because he just brings a different element to this offense
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that these other guys that we're talking, about Like.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Booty And dobbs And brown don't.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: So Yesterday Kyle williams And Tommy DeVito had a deep ball.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Connection big post route From Kyle williams split Two colts.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Defenders devido put it on a big, play walked in
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: for a. Touchdown it was really nice. Play divido also
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: HIT Matc collins on a similar route down the field
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: too later. On in, practice both those guys have been
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: humming with the. Twos for what it's, WORTH i Think
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Kyle williams had been creating a lot of separation and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: really hadn't been finishing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Plays, yeah yesterday.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: He finally finished. One where are we at right now
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: With Kyle. WILLIAMS i Think Matt, collins we know is
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: going to be here in some. Capacity But, WILLIAMS i thought.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yesterday each day kind of start to see the deep
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: ball a little bit more and, more especially with the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: more accurate throwers from the.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Veto, yeah it's going to be interesting to see kind
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: of what happens with that second receiver. Group i'll say
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: this About Kyle williams BECAUSE i think this has kind
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of gotten lost in a lot of. It he's been
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: good with the. Twos it's not like he's with that
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: second unit not. Producing he's pretty regularly. Produced he caught
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: a deep ball touchdown, yesterday LIKE i think you mentioned,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: there so, yeah but it goes back TO i feel
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: like the conversation we're having around, now it's actually like
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a combination of two conversations we've had about these. Receivers.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Recently we did this With Afton. Chishm last. Year Fton
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: chisholm was very successful at what he was asked to,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: do but it was with the second unit and then
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: when you get into the regular, season he just didn't
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: have a lot of time With Drake. May and, honestly
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: this was kind of a conversation With Kayle williams. Too
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: last year didn't have a ton of success With Drake
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: may a ton of. TIME i just stayed With Drake,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: may and it's hard to be successful when you don't
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: have that chemistry with the. Quarterback now is when you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: building that. Chemistry the other. Thing in some, ways his
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: camp reminds me of like early Career Kaishan boody because
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: he's just very. Inconsistent he has these big pop plays
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: like once a, practice maybe every other, practice but you
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: don't really hear from a ton besides, that and that's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: where things turned For Kaishan. Boody we talked about this
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: over the last year with It Kaijhon boody would go
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: and now his was more like longer. Span it wasn't
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: one play per, day but that's it. Was he would
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: have like one or two days where he was excellent
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: and then you wouldn't hear from him for a. Week,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: yeah and it was just like, Okay like those flashes are,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: great but you have to prove.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: You can be.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: CONSISTENT i think the thing that you might be waiting
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: for right now With Kyle williams consistency because he is making,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: plays but there is also just some plays where you
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: don't really see. Him it's the, details you, Know like
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: that's what it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Is it's we know he's, fast AND i actually think
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: he's a pretty good separator AND i think that shows
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: up in practice almost every single day you see him getting.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Open but for whatever, REASON i don't want to put
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: all of it On Kyle williams BECAUSE i think, sometimes
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: at least over recent, PRACTICES i don't think that he's
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: gotten the best ball from the. Quarterback sometimes you know
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it's a ball that's underthrown or. Whatever but there's just
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: these little minutias in these little details THAT i think
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: are preventing the rest of his game from coming. Along you,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: know is he always in the right? Spots is he
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: always you, know getting finishing at the catch point and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: having strong hands and finishing through contact and those types of.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Things those are the elements that you, know take you
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: from just being a vertical route runner and a go
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: ball specialist to having a more complete repertoire where you
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: can play more and do more. Things but the separation
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: is there when he, plays he just needs to kind
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: of get over the.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Hump The booty comparison is not.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Bad they're different in how they, win But booty was
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: similar where you could see That booty could win the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: ball down the, field but it was kind of, like
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: what else is he going to do consistently well to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: blossom into a starting. Receiver Kyle williams. Is we can
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: see that he has, speed and we see that he
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: can separate down the. Field But kenny add first and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: second level routes to his repertoire, details being in the right,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: places things like that that would allow him to have
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: a bigger role in the. Offense that isn't just we
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: just like this matchup because it's a slower corner on
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the outside versus our fast, guy and one time on A,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: sunday we're gonna throw one up and see if you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: can catch, it you, know right like, that that's kind
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of where we're at right. Now it is what it
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: was last. Year if they have a specific game plan
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that they go into a game with and they, say you,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: know this corner ran a four to six and our
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: guy runs a four to. Four so just, once let's test, it,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Right let's Put Kyle williams out there and see if
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you can run by the guy that that's not necessarily
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: a huge. Role that's a twenty five percent of the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: snaps type of. Role so to see him expand the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: role would be would be. Good what what do you
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: what are you making of this De vito? Thing obviously
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: there's no quarterback. Competition we're not really, silly but he's been,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: really really, Good like you have to call for what it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Is the downfield aggressiveness and the accuracy down the field
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: on the deep ball has been. Impressive like that's been
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: an explosive second team. Offense i'm kind of excited to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: watch it tomorrow. NIGHT i feel like for preseason that's you,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: know let's see if it translates into a game.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: SETTING i would say this.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Does one of the things it helps is that they
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: have such a deep receiver, room so it's not like
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: The vito when they get to the second, Team divito's
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: playing With, Chisholm williams And, hollins like three guys that
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: we think ARE nfl, Players so it's not like he's
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: playing with udfas and the. Scraps he's playing with guys
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: that might be on this team and probably should be
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: on the team in some, capacity even at tight, End
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: like he's getting a lot Of eli rarity at tight,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: end there's another guy that is blossoming and showing that
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: he might be AN nfl. Player so he's kind of
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: benefiting from the depth that they have at pass catcher
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: because a lot of backup quarterbacks get on the field
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and they're playing with guys that aren't REALLY nfl. Players
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: divito's playing with guys that ARE nfl, receivers and he's shown.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Out he's been GREAT i think all. Summer, yeah he.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Really Had now something you mentioned he's with the top.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Receivers he's also essentially going against the third string, corners,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: yeah because they've been without their top. Guys but, no
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: he's been slinging. It he really, has And i'm really
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: excited to watch Him Tomar AND i you, KNOW i
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: don't think you want him to start multiple, games but
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: if he has, to spots start a game for, you Like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: hettah he looks pretty. Comfortable So i've enjoyed watching. Him
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: it's been. FUN i think it's gonna be really fun tomorrow.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Night but we'll we'll. See like, again you hope you
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: don't have to see him in any meaningful.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Games is it fair to say that they have upgraded
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that quarterback, room WHICH i know is funny Because Drake
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: may is still the, starter BUT i feel like De
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: veto is better Than Joshua.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Dobbs, yeah and And.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Morton's been definitely better Than Ben. Woolridge not that that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: was a hot, far but those two guys Behind may
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: is better than what they had last.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Year.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, NO i think that's.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Fair AND i really bet the way you put it
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: about the spot starting look at AND i know they
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: didn't go super deep in the, playoffs but where would
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the forty nine ers season have. Gone if Mac jones
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't serviceable as a backup To party right, there they
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: would not have made the playoffs last.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Year Kyle shanahan Needed Mac.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Johnps they wouldn't have made the playoffs last. Year we're
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: not going to get into a class. Thing they wouldn't
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: have made the playoffs last year if Mac jones hadn't
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: come in and played decent and gotten them some wins
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: When party was. Hurt that's all you could ask for
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: from your backup. Quarterback if the backup quarterback has to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: play the whole season because the quarterback you, know It's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Tom brady IN o, eight then you're.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Screwed we all know that the season's.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Poorked but If drake may misses a game or, two
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you at least feel Like josh McDaniels could put together
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a game plan with the veto with those receivers that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: they could be functional. Offensively so it's encouraging to have,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that you, know security with the backup. QUARTERBACK a couple more,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: things and then we'll take a quick break and we'll
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: talk about the game On thursday. Night after the, BREAK
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: i just want to talk a little bit About Will
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: campbell in the offensive. Line, yeah BEFORE i give you
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: your puncher, MINUTE i don't know.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Who i'm not arguing with anybody in.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Particular this could be a total straw, man BUT i
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: just want to make it clear that there is no
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: competition going on right now Between will camb And Caleb. Blomo,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Like Will campbell has been the best left tackle The
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: patriots have in training, camp very. Clearly, Yeah AND i
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: would actually say that the, competition there's a. Competition the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: competition For Caleb blomo right now is With Marcus bryant
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: right for the top swing.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Tackle.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: YEAH I Will campbell's been, really really. Good i'm not
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: trying to kill the kid With Caleb. Blowmo maybe this
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: is a little bit of a confirmation bias on my part,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: too but ULTIMATELY i don't want to hear any more
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: About Will campbell's being on the hot seat at left.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Tackle maybe we get into the season and he he
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't translate this camp into good regular season, play and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: we get there eventually With Will, campbell but right now
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: he's looked far and away to be their best left
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: tackle on the, roster And Caleb, BLOMO i think needs
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to worry more About Marcus bryant than he does about
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Pushing Will campbell at this point yesterday was a little
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: bit More lowmu in the joint. Practices you put a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: little bit more a stocking those and how the coaching,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: staff uh. Things things are panning. Out, Clearly Caleb blomo
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: has the first round. Pick they have way more invested
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Than Marcus bryant as the seventh round pick last. Year
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: so in any, Event caleb blom who is eventually going
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to Surpass Marcus, bryant that's just gonna. Happen he's more
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: talented and they have more invested in. Him but right,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: now that's a much much closer competition for the swing
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: tackle job Between lomu And bryan than it is Between
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: lowmu And. Campbell.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no that that's what it feels. LIKE i, mean
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: that's what it looks like when they're rotating the way they,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: are and When Morgan moses comes, out it's It's Kayleb,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: blomu but it's Also Marcus. Bryant he's getting some of
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: those right tackle. Reps and if it's a red shirt
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: ear For, lomu it's a red shirt, ear and that
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: that could mean that that that backup job ultimately goes
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: To Marcus. Bryant, so But campbell's Been campbell's been. EXCELLENT
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: i thought yesterday was a huge for, him just kind
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: of going up against some better rushers and held his
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: own as. Technique looks, cleaner he looks a little, stronger
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: he looks. Healthy he's really. CHECKED i think all the
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: boxes you hope he'd check coming into. This camp.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: AGREED i think the two things that really stand out to,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Me and maybe it's just, health but he looks so much,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: stronger like it's it's definitely, harder.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: He looks he looks all bigger. TOO i don't think
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it's just. HEALTH i think he's stronger than he was
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: when he was healthy last.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Year he looks a lot harder to walk back into
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the quarterback you, know bul rushes and things like. That
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: he looks a lot sturdier and a lot firmer with his,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: anchor AND i continue to be. IMPRESSED i think that
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: he really went to school in terms of the different you,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: know hand, fighting pass, sets you know footwork things like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: that that can he can change. UP i think if
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: he gets too, predictable like he did at the end
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of last year with the vertical, setting that's going to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: be problematic for him because of his limitations, basically so
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: he's going to have to really be like a, craftsman you,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Know he's going to have to be one of those
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: HIGH iq kind of. PLAYERS i Think i've seen a
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: lot more of that this summer as. Well he's been
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: really really, Solid and LIKE i, SAID i Think lomu
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: The Lomu bryan thing is. Interesting there's no doubt That
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: loan's more talented and the more athletic. Lineman but if
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: you're going sixth offensive linemen and you're going jumbo and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you're trying to run the, Football Marcus brian's much bigger
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and stronger right now Than Caleb blomoo's.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Now lomu's more.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Athletic so if you're trying to you were doing that
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and you want to get out and run a, play
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a zone play or a toss play or something like,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: that then Maybe Caleb blomu's more what you're looking for
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: in that. Situation but if it's like fourth and one
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: on the goal line and you're just trying to knock
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: bowling pins over and just you, know punch the ball
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: into the end, Zone Marcus bryan is a is a big,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: dude you, know like, that that's definitely a noticeable trade of.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: His SO i don't know that that's just a thought
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: on the offensive. Line i'm gonna see you off for your.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Punch say all the same. Too LIKE i think part
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: of THE lomu thing is their guard interior guard depth
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: still doesn't look. Great rabel, said they're gonna try and
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: mac guard and then they haven't done. That, yeah but
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: do you think he plays his FIRST nfl snaps at
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: guard or? TACKLE i guess take out eligible tight end
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: because it could be.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: That SO i was thinking that as. Well we haven't
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: seen it. Yet rabel, said we were going to see.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It we saw it a little bit in the, spring
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: so they did do it a little bit more in the.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Spring my question would be which guard goes. DOWN i
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: could see him being the backup left. GUARD i don't
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: know if he's the backup right, guard if that makes.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Sense AND i know it seems, silly BUT i think
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it does matter because he's already flipping sides from left
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to right as it, is, yea and now you're not
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: only flipping, sides but you're also moving him inside on
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the right. Side PLUS i Think, traditionally McDaniels has liked
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of an athletic right guard or
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: athletic left, guard excuse, me and a more of a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: bulldozer on the right, side you, Know Vera tucker and
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: On winnu right like that sort of. Thing so if
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: they had to put it in a right guard replacement
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: for On, Whenu i'm not sure that that would be
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the same person as the Left Barry tucker left hard
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: swap one more thing and Then i'm going to see you,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: UP i. Promise Eli raridon thought he had another good practice.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yesterday he. Is he is a athletic. Dude he gets
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: open at the top of, routes those takeoff, ROUTES i
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: really like seeing those from. Him he ran a crossing
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: route With Drake may yesterday where he outran the linebacker
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and was. Open would have liked to have seen him
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: stay up on his feet and you maybe get some
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: yards after the. Catch there maybe a little bit of
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: on the, throw a little bit of a low, throw
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a dive By raredan that he
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: maybe didn't. Need but he was open a lot, yesterday
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: whether it's the, seams the, crossers red zone, stuff big
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: target down there in the end zone as. Well Tommy. DeVito,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: NOW i think The colts defender probably should have picked it,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: off kind of went right through The colts. Defender but
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that takes a lot of focus For raredan to finish the.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Play like think of somebody flashing right in front of your.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Face you lose sight of the, ball have to re
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: locate the football Batch just that's not. EASY i thought
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: that he really showed out yesterday again and he gets
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: matched up on a linebacker man in the middle of the,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: field he's winning that. Race you know that's going to
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: be a really tough.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Cover. Yeah he continues to have a really strong, summer
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and again the run blocking is going to be what
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: puts the full picture. Together and we haven't seen him
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: in those situations a, ton which maybe tellus about how
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: they plan to use. Him. Now Tanner arkin obviously is
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: a good, blocker but you don't want to be predictable
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: by which tight ends on the. Field but, No raardin's
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: had a really good summer AND i thought yesterday against
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: ANOTHER nfl, team continued THAT i.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Can't wait to see the blocking tape from the. Preseason,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: yeah that's going to be big it's really hard to
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: in these practices to really evaluate the line of scrimmage
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: unless you're zoned in on, it because there's so many
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: things flying around in there that you just see color
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: and you don't necessarily know you know who was that
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: fault all the time and things like. That so getting
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: some actual game tape from the preseason of reard and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: blocking be a lot more telling for people like us
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: than watching practice live and trying to diagnose it in real.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Time all, right there's your punter. Minute baringer was killing it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yesterday he was.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Excellent he was. Excellent they did a full team punt
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: period the first Two roquane on the second one it
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: almost got. BLOCKED i didn't see exactly who was that got,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: beat but it was a side With Del, Pettis Terrell,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Jennings Elijah ponder and the mdobi. iSER but after, THAT
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: i mean he started and they're doing full. Field he
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: started kicking the crap out of the. Ball i'm talking
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: like five point two plus second hang. Times he's covering
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: sixty seventy yards un here tall pinning returners to the.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Sideline and something that's cool about joint practice for everything
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: is you get to see like side by, Side, hey
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: is this impressive or is this kind of what everybody
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: does and not a great period For Ego bird Or
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: sanchez is one of the better punters in THE. Nfl
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: and when you look at what he did Versus, BARINGER
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: i mean it wasn't particularly. Close SO i Think. Barringer
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: he was awesome. Yesterday AND i know people are still
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: annoyed by the playoffs last, year and that's. Fair he
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: wasn't great in the playoffs last. Year down the stretch last,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: year they they we thought he might bring in some
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: competition for. Him they sort of kind of. DID i
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: guess they had some tryout players in mini camps and,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: rookies but no. Competition he's got to step. Up he's
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: in a good. Camp he's in a good. Camp that
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: THAT i. Mean that stuff yesterday was unrat and it
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: was with a live, rush so it wasn't like he
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: had all the day to get the ball off and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: he was hammering the. Ball your plugger of the, day he.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Was he was my plugger the day.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yesterday that's the player of, practice the player.
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  Speaker 2: Right On patriots.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Beat everybody else was Like drake may or. Whatever, no
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: we hadn't even split yesterday with the four of, us
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you picked the, punter so it Was Tommy.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Devitoft And, Chisholm Drake may And Bryce. Berenger never, Changed
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you never changed your love for. Punters it WAS i
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: was Between may And, baringer But. MAY i Think taylor
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: gave it To, may so you already had. One SO
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: i was, like let's let's break these up a. Bit
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: it's been close for the. Summer by the, way there's
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: a three way tie in first. Place, wow between any.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Guesses Drake. May, No Drake may's in, third he's one
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: off the. Lead so there's three guys that have Four Drake,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: mays Three, Daubs chisholm and again this is somebody else
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: have player of, Practice, YEAH i would, say and we
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: do mostly two per day BECAUSE i do one And
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Brian hines does.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: One, Okay so you Said gonzalez is.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: No gonzalez is. One gonzalez is one of the guys
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: that is Four.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Gonzales my second, guest UH A. J?
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Brown? NO A. J brown only is. ONE i Think,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: wow one or.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Two this is interesting because you guys go deep like
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you guys Are.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: They're really not pick the. Punter no they're but they're really.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Not so there's some deep. Cuts in, total we we've
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: already had more players win one this year than we
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: did all of last. Year SO i Got. Gonza So
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: gonzo's one uh kashun booty because he had four within
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: like the first two days since In Pop, Douglas, yeah
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: he's been really. Good he had three in one day
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: because the crossover, Days mike And taylor do it, too
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: so that. Helped but those three and Then drake's right
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: there knocking on the.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Door, Yeah pop's been really, good and he was good again.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yesterday all, right so that was practice. Yesterday we'll take
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• 58:55
  Speaker 1: sam draft, Class Drake may has AN mvp caliber season
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• 59:30
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• 59:36
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• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: has helped them and if you need him to start a,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: game like kind of Like Tommy, DeVito he even start
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: again field gay. FLOOR i was. PROUDEST i remember saying
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: this On Felgrim. MAZ i remember SAYING. J. J McCarthy
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Is Zach wilson waiting to? Happen and what.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: HAPPENED i Think Zach wilson was more talented and more arm,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: talent for, sure they're.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Similar he maybe was better at some things McCarthy wasn't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Quite Zach wilson had no idea what he was looking.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: AT i THINK. J. J McCarthy's football like he was
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: a little better Than Zack, wilson's but they both. Sack So,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: hey real quick bottom. Line if you feel strongly about
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: McCarthy's standing as a prospect one way or the, other
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: you're probably kidding. Yourself there's just not close to enough
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: high impact reps on tape to fully evaluate where he's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: at as a player relative to the other. Quarterbacks he has,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: upside especially with his young age and, athleticism but needs
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: time to. Develop whatever team drafts him will need to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: have a strong development plan in. PLACE a team that
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: has a veteran read old, starter but we'll need a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: new quarterback in a year two would be the best
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: landing spot form setting up A Patrick Mahomes Jordan love
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: type development. Path if he has to start right, away good.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Luck, YEAH i mean we wrote similar. Things, yeah this
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: is WHAT i WROTE i feel like On patriots Dot.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Com it's.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: FUNNY i this popped.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Up because people are SEARCHING jj McCarthy so, much and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: this was the bottom line THAT i. Wrote the third
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: overall pick should have the potential to carry the team
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to the winner circle on his, back and it's hard
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: to envision that being. McCarthy i remember saying that was
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing was, LIKE i thought that if he
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: was a, passenger if he was a game, manager just
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: like he was At, michigan make a couple of throws
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: and key situations and you, know in clutch times and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: things like, that that he would be fine as AN
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: nfl quarterback over the long. Term, NOW i was actually
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: probably a little bit too high on.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: HIM i was going to, say we might have overrated.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Him we might have also just been hedging our.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Bats, Yeah BUT i think what the biggest thing was
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: IS i use the comparison That Daniel jeremiah uses all the.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Time, yeah are you a bus? Driver you're a.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Passenger, Right AND i never SAW i always thought that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: those the big Three Williams daniels may could all be bus.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: DRIVERS i never saw that with.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: McCarthy i always saw McCarthy was going to be a you,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: know a game.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Manager AND i said this at the, time And i'll
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: say it. AGAIN i said With Tye simpson this past,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: year who's not having good start? Camp i'll set this
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: is more about THE, Nfl, well then it is about
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: JA j. Mcart it sounds like we're taking pot shots
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: AT jj, McCarthy.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Like i'm taking pot shotts at people that thought they
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: should have drafted him over.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Drinks well in that, INCREASE i said this the whole.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: TIME J. J McCarthy is a Textbook day two. Pick
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: there's some fun, tools but there's just not nearly enough
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: to know that guy should be a second round. Pick
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe BECAUSE i mean to an, Extent Lamar jackson
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: kind of fit That bill and The ravens took him
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: what thirty one and they Had Joe flacco and like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: they could afford to take that risk back into the first.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Round LIKE i thought he made a ton of sense
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: FOR i forget if we Knew Aaron rodgers was gonna
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: be on The steelers at this, point but like whatever
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: team ended up With, rogers just having him kind of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: FOLLOW i thought made sense because you're gonna have a
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: year or two, There like that's what he. Was that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: guy should be viewed as A day two, pick and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: the league gets head over heels for these guys and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: runs them. Up and if J ja McCarthy was the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: second or third round, pick he's not viewed as a.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Bust even if he's not very, good he doesn't become
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: what's kind of the whole nine. Thing him becoming a
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: punchline's unfair to. Him the same, thing by the, way
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: is gonna happen With Tye simpson and so and it
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: and uh it. Uh Anthony richardson's another. One, yeah SO
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: i Liked Anthony richardson. More he was not a top five.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: But the physical tools Of Anthony richardson were, insane are.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Insane, yeah they were in no. Level but it's it's
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: again like the league. Does and some of it might
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: be that's, football you, know tough ass that that is
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: what it. Is but the league needs. You you always
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: bring UP i remember when we did the twenty four
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: draft and even someone talking about Mac jones in twenty,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: three Like Russell wilson in the third. Round, Right, yes
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: that doesn't exist. Anymore the league has stopped the quarterbacks
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: from falling through the, cracks the good quarterbacks and falling
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: through the cracks and how many starters in THE nfl
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: right now really were not first round, picks like quality.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Starters Rock purty might be the one. EXCEPTION i don't,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: think first of, all do you still feel that way
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: that the league has so fallen through the, Cracks because
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: THEN i guess.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: So my take on, this, though is kind of actually
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: more about college. Football so IF i WAS jj, McCarthy
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: AND i get THAT jj McCarthy won a national, championship
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: was getting told he was going to be a top ten,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: pick it's hard to turn all that, down especially when you,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: accomplished you reach the.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Top of the mountain in college.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Already, yeah that being, SAID i think it's a lot
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: more advantageous now for guys to stay at, school, absolutely
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: especially with nil and so you're already getting paid because
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the reality is is that THE nfl doesn't have time to.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Wait THE nfl is not going to wait three years
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: for their first round quarterback to figure it. Out it's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: just not going to happen.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Anymore you could argue maybe they should one hundred.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Percent BUT i, think what's, more it used to be
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: that and it still. IS i would say at other,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: positions and you, Know i'm a little bit of an
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: age just when.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: It come to the.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Draft it used to be being an older prospect was, bad,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: right because it means that you're tapped out, physically and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: you're your ceiling is, lower and so, YadA YadA, YadA
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: like you kind of are a finished. Product but NOW
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: i think that as a young quarterback you have to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: stay at school and develop in. College, yes because in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: THE nfl has given you one year max to sit
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: one year max and then and when you play your
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: second year you better play.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Well but that's because and so this goes to WHAT
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: i was going to say to you, again you have
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: the theory that you can't really get starting quarterbacks after
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: the first round anymore because the league just doesn't let
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: The Jalen hurts is in the in the The Russell wilson,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: slipper LIKE i think.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: A handful of years, ago AND i, KNOW i Know
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: i've been critical of this, player but a handful of years.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Ago Bo nix is like a third Round so, Okay
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: but HERE'S i.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Don't think that's THE nfl suddenly figuring out the quarterback.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: POSITION i think what's happened is you've had an over.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Correction the other way they just draft all the quarterbacks
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: in the first, round so you don't have guys slip
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: through the cracks. Anymore but we still had days of
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Like jake Lock no do you Remember Christian. Noonder i'm
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: talking about the last few, Years like remember what happened
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: in twenty Four and this was kind of my take
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: leading up to the, draft and it bear it. Out
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: there were no quarterbacks from the second to fifth. Round
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: it was take them, earlier take them. Late you don't
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: take them in the, middle because the guys that would
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: go in the middle teams now instead take. Early AND i,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: think and it's hard to, say just be patient. Quarterback
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: i've been staunchly against. That if you believe a guy
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: is the, guy you take. Them BUT i also think
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: if that is going to be what, happens you need
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: to start treating quarterbacks taken outside of the top five
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: like day two. Picks the reason teams don't give the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: rest of.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Those guys have grades like day two. Picks they just are, quarterbacks.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Right the reason teams don't give quarterbacks time anymore is
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: because your first round. Pick they're treating guys who shouldn't
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: go in the first round like first round picks and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: they're taking them in the first round because they don't
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: want to risk not getting a quarterback at. All said,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: this the unveil is a patience problem when it comes
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: to quarterbacks and, coaches but that patience extends to they
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: can't wait and see if they fall in the draft.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: AGAIN jj McCarthy should have been the, guy maybe maybe
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: back into the first round two team with an older,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: quarterback probably second. Round if he's a second or third round,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: pick he can sit a couple of years Like Jalen hurts, did,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Right BUT i.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Think the bigger thing IS jj McCarthy should have gone
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: back to school and if it was all, right if
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: it wasn't At michigan Because harball left and you know
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: that program was turning over now with nil on the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: portal to go someplace, else, Right AND i THINK i
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: get it was just The hall Of fame, Game But
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Carson beck played really really well the other. Day Carson
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: beck did. That he just stayed in.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: College and he didn't go very high but but he
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: stayed in college and he developed in.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: College that's. Fair, Yeah Jaden, daniels you, Know Jayden daniels
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: is a five year college. Player Bo nicks was a
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: five year COLLEGELAYER i think might have been a six
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: year college player one of those. TWO i forget which
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: one it, Was SO i think that's where we're.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Headed so there's some of. That but also, AGAIN i
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: just think teams need to look at, All, right we
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: drafted this quarterback fifteenth, overall but you can't treat them
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: like you would treat the fifteenth overall pick at tackle,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Teams but they're not gonna get. PATIENT i don't, KNOW i,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: know but then this is gonna keep. Happening And, okay
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: there's less quarterbacks falling in, there like there's less guys
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: falling through the. Cracks it's because they're just gonna draft
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: everybody and it's either gonna work out and it's good
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: or it's gonna. Not they're not gonna. Wait and actually
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: teams went, from, WELL i don't want to risk a bust,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: pick So i'm going to be patient on taking quarterback
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: and maybe a good player, falls but at LEAST i
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: don't blow it to, oh there's a quarterback on the, Board,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'll take them and we'll see what. Happens and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: he might be a, bust but not like it hap
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: the last few years LIKE i just named a bunch of.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Them LIKE i, Know Jake locker is always the poster
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: child for, this but Like Jake, Locker Christian, ponder you,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: know like all those.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Quarterbacks are growing. Up here's the. Difference here's The Jake
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: locker had. There there's a difference between a guy that
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: looked like a legit first round player and busted versus
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the guy who ker looked like a.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Legit he looked like one like, physically but so.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Did he was a good college. PLAYER i MEAN. J.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: J McCarthy was a decent college but he.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that was the whole. Point he.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Wasn't he literally won a national championship doing. Nothing, okay
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: But koram won a national. Championship he's still like he
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: was still. BETTER i would, say there's a different the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: ONE i always go back. To this is a quarterback development.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Problem like this is not a drafting. Problem the league
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: does not have.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Time it's a little bit of where the league where
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: you draft the guy impacts his development, timeline and they're
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: not giving these guys the proper development timeline because they're
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: not ever going To so, You, okay that's, fit but
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: then you you either needed one or two things has to.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Change you either need to change or you draft these,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: guys or you need to change the development. Timeline and
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: if you're not going to change, either the most quarterback
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: draft picks are going to continue to. Bust the ONE
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: i go back, to, though and here's where the. Differences
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: and thank goodness we weren't covering the draft, then BECAUSE
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: i would have had some horrible. TAKES i don't know
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: how much you've Watched JaMarcus russell At. Elisu you are.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Unreal you take that guy first overall ten times out of,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: ten but his issues were off the. Field but this
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: is What i'm. Saying there's a difference between this guy
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: was drafted in the first round he didn't pan out
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: because of, something versus this guy should have never gone
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: in the first round in the first. Place AND i
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: feel like in the last five or so, years Maybe
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Jake locker With Jake lockers like fifteen years ago.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Now and that was a long time.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: Ago we're getting. Old it felt like for a long,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: time the majority of quarterback busts WERE i understand why
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: this guy went in the first, round BUT x. Happened
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: andy sucked right in the last five or so. Years
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: maybe it's closer to, ten BUT i feel like the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: trend has shifted Towards, oh this guy should have never
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: been a first round pick and it's not a surprise
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: that he was a. Bust AND i don't think that's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: a good trend for THE.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: NFL i would just, SAY i think, we're you, know
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: saying different things the same. Way IF i was a
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: quarterback in college right, NOW i would take agency of
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: my own, development AND i would understand that ONCE i
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: get to the, LEAGUE i better be ready to. Play
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: SO i think and play well BECAUSE i think there's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: gonna be fewer and Fewer Caleb williams is And Drake.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Mays so you're campaigning For i'm.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: CAMPAIGNING i. WOULD i, would especially now that you can
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: get paid in. COLLEGE i would sell a quarterback that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: is THE jj McCarthy that isn't quite ready but has
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: some tools and maybe has some the. Potential stay in.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: School so you have to transfer to go to a different,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: program do, it but stay in. School Who's indiana's quarterback
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: now that's Replacing. Mendoza, oh this is your.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Spot like him. Too he's a good. Player, yeah he
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: was someplace else before and he transferred and now he's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: taking over From.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Mendoza Josh HOOVER tcu kid really talented, kid has a good,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: arm HAS nfl caliber, traits but he's not, ready so he's.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Transferring here's the problem with that, IS i think it's.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Real even in THE nil, era it's really hard at
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: any position when a kid sees he's going to be
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: a first round pick to tell him to go back to.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: School Now hoover was going to be like a third round.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Pick Carson becker is gonna be a third round. PICK
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: i think for those, guys it's, easy AND i think
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: most of those guys are doing. IT i think that's
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: part of the reason the middle class of quarterbacks doesn't exist,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: anymore because if you're gonna be a third round pick at,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: quarterback a lot of those guys are going back to.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: School they, should SO i think some guys doing. That
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: what's tough is when the league needs a quarterback in
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: the first round and you're just the guy by, default
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: even if you're not a first round. Talent it's then
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: it comes. In then it becomes a lot harder to,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: say all, right your third round, talent but you're probably
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: gonna go in the First it's really hard to tell
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: that kid to go back to school because what if
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: he keeps playing on the third round talent and the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: next year there's more. QUARTERBACKS i understand it's really. Hard,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: NOW i will say to your, point AND i, say
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: it's hard to. Do Dante, Moore Dante moore was gonna
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: be a second quarterback off the. Board nobody knows exactly
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: why he went back to. School my theory he didn't
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: want to play for The. Jets he knew what was
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: going to. Happen and what you might see guys do
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: it might not necessarily be About i'm not. Ready you
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: might see guys take the approach of the teams that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: realistically are gonna pick me aren't ready for. ME i
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: don't trust these teams at the top of the draft
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: to develop. Me i'm going to go back to school
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: and hope next year like there and, now The jets.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Didn't but if you didn't trust The, raiders, right all,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: right Let fernando go To. Vegas i'm gonna go back
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: to school and hopefully next year the team at the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: top pick has a better. Situation you might see some of.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: That there's always going to be early breakout players Like
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Drake may And Cale, williams but there are a lot
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: more players that aren't ready that Young and going back
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: to the college, game, now if you have to go
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: in the, portal going in the, portal using nil to
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: make money in the meantime and developing at a slower,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: trajectory because once you get to the, league it's not
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: only the fact that they're impatient with the, quarterbacks they're
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: impatient with the.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Coaching they're impatient with THE. Gms so In, Minnesota kevin O'Connell.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Is a really good. Coach yeah he, survived THE gm
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: did no THE.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Gen if they have a rough, year the heier O'Connell
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: is going to be on.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: The hot THE gm that Let Sam darnold And Daniel
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: jones walk the. DRAFT jj McCarthy got, fired which he
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: probably should. Have so that's the way that the league
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: is looking at. It you have two. Years you maybe
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: you sit the first year and you play the. Second
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: maybe you sit halfway through the first year and, play you,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: know a year and a, half but you have two
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: years to prove to THE nfl that you're AN nfl starting.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Quarterback and if you don't do it in that window,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: AGAIN i just it's.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: OVER i think for the guys that are projected to
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: go On day two or even day, three like some
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: of the guys that went On day three this year
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: were probably not draftable players in most. YEARS i just
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: feel like if you're it's it's really hard to.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Do but you have to look at the bigger. Picture
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: it's two years in the. League by going younger and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: going at twenty two or twenty, one you you have
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: two years in the league and flame, out or you
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: can continue to develop in college and maybe have a
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: tenure in.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: It it's just really hard when you have somebody Like
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Anthony richardson is a perfect. Right but even if he
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: knows he's not, Ready hey, man teams think you're. Ready there,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: team there are teams that will take. You just watch
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: The colts practice. Yesterday he's their third. Time but it's
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: he didn't know. That he doesn't know he's gonna Be he, doesn't.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Okay but that's the perfect example of a guy that, had,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: yes like one season worth of starts was raw needed.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Development LIKE i now that you get paid in colleams.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Are telling them that if you're for so many of,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: them it's just about the. Pick it's not about the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: long term. Career AND i guess you're saying that mentality
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: needs a. Chase if if your top five, pick what
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: going back to college can only hurt you in ters
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: that in terms of, That but that's what the focus.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Is stress the bigger? Pick what is it? Bigger what
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: is a? If what is a bigger loss of? Player
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: you're unsure of, yourself but you have a chance to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: go top. Ten you either go to the league and,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: bust but, hey you were top ten. Pick by the,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: way if you're a top ten, pick you get to hang.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Around Anthony richardson's career is not. Over he's gonna go
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: somewhere and be a. Backup Then i'll probably go somewhere
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: else and be back. Up they'll probably Go we'll try
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: to do ideally The Baker mayfield, thing but if, not
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: even The Gino smith. Thing is that worse than we
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: think your top five. Pick you should go to the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: draft even if you don't feel you're. Ready, okay Well
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: i'm gonna go back to. School turns out you weren't.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Ready now you're a fifth round, pick and now you
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: might be out of the league in four years because
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: that's the other side of. That maybe if you're a,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: threat if you come to the league and you're, Better,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: yeah because you've.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Developed maybe you, know the tape isn't, perfect but you've.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Developed like, again it's just The hall Of fame. Game
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: but what If Carson beck actually took that time and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: made good use of it and is now going to
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: be a better player in THE nfl than he would.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: THINK a lot of guys are going to tell themselves
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: they can get better in the. League you.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Can't that's What i'm trying to tell. You, So lauren's
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: not the practice time doesn't, exist the reps don't, exist
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: the patience doesn't. Exist, like they don't have enough time
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to develop quarterbacks at this level.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Anymore, well this is why they need a minor. League
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: and there's a whole other, conversation but the minor league
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: is the college football is the Min they need a
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: REAL nfl minor.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: League different it's you just your sport just started paying.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Athletes nil.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Exists now college football is the Minor i'm talking about
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: that RUNS nfl concepts WITH nfl, coaches that works on
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: AN nfl. SCHEDULE i don't know another.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Conversation i'm just telling you that they should stay. In
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it's gould have been.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Really hard to tell. It and this is bearing out
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: for guys that are not top ten. Picks the guys
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: that have a chance to go top ten is going
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: to be really hard to go away from. That Dante. Moore,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: look it's a copycat. League it is going to be
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: fascinating to see WHAT i With Dante. Moore If Dante
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: moore AND i Like Dante, MOORE i Think Dantey moore
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: is a good. PLAYER i had him Behind, mendoza but
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: he was like that.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Like A manning, family like, manipulation and.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: There there's a little bit to, that like this isn't
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: a fully Lime, maning but it's a partial Elime.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Manning.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah but If Dante, moore as a projected top five,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: pick goes back to, school has a good, year now
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: he didn't, transfer but goes back to, school has a good,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: year goes top five in the, draft and its, successful
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: it is going to be a lot easier to sell
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: in the future what you're. Pitching If Dante moore.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Has it less about my thing is a little bit
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: less About Dante.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: MOORE i know it's not About, dante more about The
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: but But Josh hoover is not a comp for, that
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: because the guys that Are Josh hoover are doing what you're.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Saying But Josh hoover was not a first round. Pick
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Josh hoover the, date But i'm telling you the day
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: two picks have already been convinced to do. This But
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Josh hoover is, like, yes, YES i, heard surprise. Me,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: guys like becomes the first round, pick becomes a BETTER
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Nfl this is What soresby was trying to. Do, yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: yes so you know what you're supposed to. Do, no
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: what do you tell the kid who HAS nfl teams
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: telling him he's going top? Five it's. Different it's just
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: a different. SCENARIO i, GET i get what you're. Saying
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: so that's the one that's. Now, Yes more stayed for
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: a different, reason But more is going to be the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: test subject for top five pick goes back to. School what, Happens.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Well the other one is going to be In texas Like.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: ARCH i just don't Think arch are. Good, okay but
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: what If arch has a good year this? Year so,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Okay arch is part of. It two and and.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: His name and all, that like he's going to be
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: told that he's going to be a first round pick
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: based off of how he played last. Year he's nowhere
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: near realm like maybe he will take that huge.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Leader So arch is another, one and you know, what
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: you can kind of throw your door in. There we
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: thought was going to come. Out we thought he was
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: gonna come out of The Drake may class and he.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Didn't now that one's different because he might have not
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: come out because that class was so strong because he
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: was gonna the Lower But dante school, Kids Dante moore
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: And arch are going to be the test subjects for
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: this because If Dante moore goes back To oregon and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: is kind of AND i don't think it's gonna, happen
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: but if he goes back To oregon is kind of
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: men it ends up being like a second or third round.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Pick everybody's gonna look at that and being, like you
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: won't BE i know he, won't But i'm just saying
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: if it, is everybody's gonna point at him and, say
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: that's why you go to the league when you have a,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: chance you have a chance to be a first Round.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: He won't go because if he balls out early, though
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: because like he had the year last.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Year it's it's a little bit Like Drake.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: May Like Drake may's best college season was his sophomore,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: season not his junior. Season, well so he's still based
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: off the sophomore year. Tape he was still drafted In
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: arch Two arch, too, right Like Dante more is going
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: to go in the first how About.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Arch arch had a chance to go. High and you
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: know there might be people say that's why you go
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: be a first time.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Picking IF i Was, arch IF i Was Papa, MANNING
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: i would say stay in, school which he.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Did.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Well he couldn't have come out last, year.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah last year was his retort sophomore year WAS.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I thought he was draft wasn't draft eligible until this, year,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Regardless LIKE i would tell Our joe if he truly wasn't,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: READY i.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Know he was a retort sophomore last. Year he could
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: have come out last, Year, Okay SO i WOULD i
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: would still tell him to, say but these are going
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: to be the guys that, again, regardless if he's getting
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: advised by the right, people like people that played in the. League,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: well it's a different. Reason AND i Like Dante moore
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: AND i Like. Oregon we were talking about this the other,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: DAY i think this Is Dan lannings. HERE i think
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: that team's gonna be. Sick but quack THE i think
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: some of the reasons these kids come out is there's
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: nobody you can point to and, say, hey he was
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: a top five, pick turned that, down went back to
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: school and was still okay you somebody has to do.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: That for the only guy THAT i can think, of
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: and this is going back, away this IS mi, Guy Andrew.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Luck i'm pretty Sure Andrew luck went back to. SCHOOL
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: i think he could have come out of his junior
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: year and he went back to. School and that's just.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Such a different. Era you can't really relate that To
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: i'm trying to find.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: It i'm more talking about the the The, hoover's The Carson.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Beck so, again those those, guys but those guys already
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: are staying in.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: School, yeah SO i don't, know BUT i understand. That
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: BUT i think that that is going to become.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: But they're not in THE jj McCarthy.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Cory but my point is IS i think that that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: is going to become more to.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Bring it, back but it. Is it's not because it
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: is more. Popular And Andrew luck came out as soon
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: as he could come.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: OUT i thought that he stated an extra.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Year, no they IF jj McCarthy had been viewed as
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: a third round pick in the, league wasn't telling him
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: we're going to take in the top. Ten AND i
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: know he went a little after, That but.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: No he did go top?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: Ten oh was he? Ten?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, no he went like. SEVEN i might be thinking a. Bonitt,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: NO i thought he went. Ten pennix went. SIX i
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: think he went no because he, no he went After.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Nicks there were he did not go after. That he
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: went tenth, exactly but he did.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Not, oh you're, Right you're right he. Did he went
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: tenth exactly if he didn't have the. League if If
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Josh hoover was, hearing hey, man this quarterback class kind of.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Sucks After, mendoza we might take you in the top.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Ten do you still Think Josh hoover would have transferred
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: To indiana or do you think he would have gone
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: to the. Draft he probably would have gone to the, draft,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: right But i'm telling him he should have transferred To.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Indiana but he's gonna turn him into a better. PLAYER
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: i don't know why you. Understand it's a different. CONVERSATION
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: i understand it's a different. Conversation i'm, saying change the.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Conversation they are going to waste time developing you in the.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Nfampaign it's not gonna happen you're campaigning. For its already
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: happened the.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Fringe What i'm campaigning for is that it's not a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: bad thing to stay and cous not your.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Development but how do you convince you're getting really bogged?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: DOWN i know we. Are this is actually a fun.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Conversation it is not that fun. Anymore how it was
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: fun like ten minutes. Ago but, No but to bring
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: it back to the, point if the league hadn't been
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: TELLING jj McCarthy he was gonna go top, ten, yes
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: he probably would have stayed in, college maybe a, transfer maybe,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: not and none of this.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Would be LIKE jj McCarthy should take agency ownership in
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: their own development and RECOGNIZE i am not ready for the.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: LEAGUE i can still make money in, college maybe not
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: the same amount of money as THE, nfl But i'm
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: still geking, millions and the.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Guys that are going to be day two picks are
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: doing that.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Well the guys that are going to be friend how
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: und it's how do you convince the guys that you
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: know they're going top ten to do, it because right,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: now because you're going to BE jaj, McCarthy you're going
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: to flame. Out and SO i don't whoop you do?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: WHAT i think they need to Be richardson whooped you?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: DO i think pointing to guys that failed in doing
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: that is not going to work because any call. It
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: we know how confident quarterbacks. Are you have to be
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: confident play that. Position he's going to.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Say somebody is every once in a while to be
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: told that you need you need a dantem all the.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Time you need A Dante moore who did. It it's
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: not about the guys that. Failed you need to point
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: to that path succeeding if you want the if you
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: want this to work, out all eyes On Dante moore
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: a go BECAUSE jj McCarthy should have never been the top.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Tape wasn't he as good As Dante, moore's.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: But he was still told he's gonna be top ten.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Day But Dante moore last year the issue better than
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: J jj McCarthy told he was going to be a
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: top ten pick when his tape didn't warrant. It good.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Question that's the issue that is the. Issue that's how it's.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 9: ALL J.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: J McCarthy should have been used as a third round
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: pick and he should have Been Josh, hoover but he,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't and that's the.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Problem, okay we came full. Circle are you satisfied?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Now? Yes, okay can we take some of these calls?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Now i've been waiting for an hour and a half on,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Hold patty's an, aguaham what's Up?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Patty?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 10: Guys Somewhere Tommy kurrn is weeping about that conversation ABOUT.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: JJ i knew it was going to come off that,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: way AND i didn't want it to come off that.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Way it was not a shot directly At.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: TOM i. Promit, no we had a good philosophical football
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: debate that we can revisit in twenty years once The
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: patriots need a new. Quarterback hell.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah so a couple of, things and Then i'll end
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 10: with the. Question first, THING i wanted to pick a
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 10: victory left BECAUSE i did come on this program and,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 10: said once the pads go, ON i think we're going
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 10: to see a DIFFERENT Aj. BROWN i think we. HAVE
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 10: i mean it hasn't been LIKE i, mean he hasn't
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 10: been like earth shattering or. Anything like, That BUT i
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 10: think he's been a hell of a lot better with
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 10: the pads on than the first few days of. Camp
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 10: it could be, familiarity BUT i think a lot of
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 10: his physical play warrant and playing great with pads. On
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 10: the second, THING i got a little bit of a,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 10: rent and it's regarding The Christian gonzales contract. Situation can we?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 10: Can can we just pony up and pay the, Guy Mister,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 10: kraft if you're, LISTENING i don't care if he wants
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 10: to set the. Market look at what the edge market
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 10: did last. Year Miles garrett had an apy of forty
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 10: one point six when he signed his, deal right and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 10: what happened before before anything happened like with the. Aotas this,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 10: Year Will anderson shattered it with fifty mil per year
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 10: average annual. Value so LIKE i JUST i don't want to.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 10: HEAR i don't want to keep. Hearing we want to
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 10: be a draft and developed, team and then we draft this.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 10: Guys are we developing them for other? Teams put your
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 10: money where your mouth. IS i, mean look at look
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 10: at the. Teams how are teams like The rams and
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 10: The eagles able to pay like a boatload of money
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 10: to all these, guys And i'm not talking cat. Pits
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 10: go look at the whole cash. Payouts how are the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 10: bad the Freaking bangles guys able to give their quarterback
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 10: the tarp of the market? Deals have their wide receiver,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 10: one you, know AND i have a record deal for
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 10: wide receiver ones and their wide receiver two set the.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 10: Market how are we letting The bengals get away with?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: That, Well, PATTY i understand what you're, saying but we're
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: getting a little bit mad about something that hasn't. HAPPENED i,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Know i'll, say like they they they haven't traded him or,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: anything like he's still on The patriots and they're working through. It,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: LIKE i understand where you're coming, from AND i understand the,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: frustration but let's not get mad at them about something
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: they haven't done.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: Yet it's by multiple people that That witherspoon is going
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: to sign Before, gonzalz and it's In gonzalz's best interest
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: for that to. Happen the second guy to sign makes more.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Money my whole boy is this is this falls apart
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: and they end, up you, know having to trade them
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: like The cowboys With Micah parsons or something like, that then,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: well then we will criticize them for. That, absolutely we're
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: a long way away from that. HAPPENING i don't think
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: you hit the panic button.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Toil we get, LIKE i don't, know a few days
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: after where there'spoon, signs and then it BECOMES i, guess
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: just like what a what's the in the short, term,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: like are we worried that.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: He's going to sit out games because that's not in
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: his best induce to sit out if.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 10: You, will so then think you. Will and just one
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 10: one quick point on that BEFORE i ask my. QUESTION
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 10: i think if they proposed a let's say it's thirty
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 10: five million dollars, annual like a one four, year one
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 10: hundred and seventy million dollar contract extension with like one
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 10: hundred and twenty million dollars dollars, GUARANTEED i think that's
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 10: a bargain for that for that, guy and and THE
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 10: nfl top one hundred just.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Forty two million a year past the BEST i think
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: you said thirty.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 10: Five thirty, five thirty thirty, five he, said, maybe, yeah
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 10: that's at thirty. Five i'm, Sorry oh, Okay I'm i'm
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 10: no good with, math, okay but.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Given forty two a year he'd sign, now.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah and me, too AND i would because.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: It's ten million over the CURRENT.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 10: Nfl top one. One THE Nfl top. One hunter just proved.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 10: It it's voted on by the. Players he's not just
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 10: one of the best players at his, positions he's one
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 10: of the best players in the. League you hold on
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 10: to those, guys all, Right. Brantover so my question Is
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 10: Alex he already kind of gave me a happier answer
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 10: yesterday on the, Crossover but which two guys offense and?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 10: Defense are, you guys most excited to see showcase tomorrow.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 10: Night i'll give you. Mine excited to see Jam. MILLER
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 10: i thought the PRACTICE i went to he every time
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 10: there was a crease in the, game the ball he,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: hit he hit the that crease with. Authority And i'm
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 10: excited to see What Karan prunty's going to do because you,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 10: know with all the, defense all the corners, OUT i
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 10: think he's going to get a lot of playing. Time
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 10: And i'll take that out, there.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks Thanks. PATTY i add one more thing, too,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: sorry real, quick because he did the quarterback. THING i
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: meant to say this during that just to be. FAIR
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: i got a text my. Friend all, right for all
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: the victory off ON jj, McCarthy Michael penox has not
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: turned out super. Well. NOW i did SAY i was
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: worried about the, injuries AND i think it's been more
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: injuries than anything. Else But i'll own that one anyway.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow with that quarterback, CLASS i did the samest thing.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: POSSIBLE i just stayed in the lane of those three, Guys,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Williams daniel May.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: I I.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I NEVER i never was the nixt. GUY i never
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: was A penis. GUY i never was a McCarthy. Guy
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: not BECAUSE i didn't see any ability out of those,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: guys BUT i just stayed in the wheelhouse of the.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Consensus you thought they were going to Get pennix with
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: like the thirtieth. PICK i remember we had that.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Debate was probably right to think.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: That in AN.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: I understand where we're getting emails about, It patty's calling
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: in about. IT i totally understand why people Want Christian zala.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Sign we all Want Christian zala. SIGN i would just,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: say LIKE i said To, patty they haven't done anything wrong,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Yet like they. Haven't they haven't gotten to the, point you.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: KNOW i bring up The Michael parsons thing The cowboys
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: butchered the negotiation so badly they ended up having to
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Trade Micah. Parsons, yeah we until we get. There let's
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: not grab the torch and pitchforks just. Yet now they
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: need to pony up and pay the, Guy there's no
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: doubt about. That but at the same, time we still
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: aren't getting there. YET i also don't really, understand like
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: there's no real argument for him holding out of. Games,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: no it. Doesn't it doesn't really benefit either, party doesn't
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: really benefit anybody for him to sit out. Games my
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: hope on this whole, thing this is just my gut
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: feeling on. It my hope was that this was like
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: kind of What belichick used to. Do guys would have good.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Camps they'd come in ready to, go they come in in,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: shape they practice all throughout, camp they have good training,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: camps and then at the end of the, summer in
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: that lull between roster cutdown day and the beginning of
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: the regular, season they get. Paid they Get that's when
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: the extension would would be announced or be agreed. To
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: i'm hoping that's where this is headed With, gonzales is
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: that they kind of, said what's operating good faith in training.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Camp if it all goes well and everything is headed
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: in the right, direction we're gonna hammer out the details
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: of this. Contract i'm, like you, Know september. Second, yeah,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: well we'll come to terms on.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: IT i just go back to all the reporting has
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: been That witherspoon's gonna sign. FIRST i think. So first of,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: ALL i don't know if we've talked about, this who's
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: a better, Player christiannzalez Or Devin.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Witherspoon we've had this discussion on p you and it's
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: a hard one because they're.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: DIFFERENT i, think, WELL i just THINK.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: I Think Devin witherspoon is more of a. Playmaker which
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: player is more?
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: VALUABLE i think It's.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Gonzales if you're especially if you're going to play a
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: defense that's going to play a lot of. Man if
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: you're gonna play man and you're gonna play man on
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: third down and you have to have the ability to
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: you have to have a number one. Corner we've seen
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: that over the years. Here But witherspoon's damn. Good but
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: he's a different type of, good Right he's so he's
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: a more of a playmakings corner around the ball a.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: LOT i think it's also more valuable. PLAYER i think
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: he knows. THAT i Think patriots know. It, again it's
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Not i'm not excusing. It it's not great he's not.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Signed you'd rather have him. Signed i'm just not hitting
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: the panic button. Too witherspoon signs and THEN i give
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: him like seventy two hours and then, Yeah i'm not.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Playing regular season games on his rookie contract as long as.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: That but what If witherspoon.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: DOES i GUESS i can't imagine.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: That thats like McDuffie played all of last, YEAR i
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: know without a. DEAL i KNOW i brought that. Up
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: AND i think McDuffie And witherspoon are cloak like they're.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Similar players a little bit more Than.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah so that's just kind of Where i'm at. Is
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: as long as The witherspoon deal is not, Done i'm
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: not super worried about. It once The witherspoon deal gets,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: done the quock, starts and that quots can move pretty.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 10: Fast.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, SURE i think in both, parties AND i guess
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: maybe you know they're related but unrelated at the same.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: TIME i think in both, situations IF i was A
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: seahawks fan or, reporter A Patriots fanner. Reporter if Their
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: week one rolls around in that opening game starts and
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Both Christian gonzales Or Devin witherspoon are playing on the
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: fourth year of their rookie, contract THEN i would would
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: be a little bit fancy about, that because that's The
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Michael parsons.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: Thing.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Right here's the other thing that you don't want to,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: do as it went with the McDuffie. Thing if you
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: run this out too, long.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Who got traded as, well by the, way, Right.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: If you run this out too, long, Well Quinian mitchell's
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: going to reset the market when he gets paid next,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: spring assuming The eagles are going to pay, him, Right
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: is that an unfair? Expectation, yeah so because he and
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: now he's the only good corner from that. Draft there's
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: not a second guy like we Did sauce In stanley
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: and Right Gonzales. Witherspoon But Quinion mitchell's going to reset the.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Market you can't get lapped because that's another draft. Class
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: so that's going to reset it.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: Significantly if he has to play regular regular season games
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: on the fourth year of his rookie, contract it's gonna
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: get hostile like.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: That that's exactly what happened with.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: McDuffie it's exactly what happened With Micah. Parsons, like that's when,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: you regardless of who signs when and all that kind of,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: stuff when you make the player play without an extension
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: and without that big money contract in his back, pocket
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: the player is going to be frustrated with.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: That, there some guys comes a lot harder to do
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: it at that. Point So Drake london played on the
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: fourth year of his rookie. CONTRACT A lave played on
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: the fourth year of his rookie contract last.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Year not as good a, Player.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Hutchins Aiden hutchinson did a little.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Bit he's hurt, though so they waited for him to
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: like look.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Healthy, okay and then He Jordan davis did not as
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: good as a. Player jordan is pretty? Good all, right fair,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: enough all, Right.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Let's Take mark In connecticut's. Call what's, Up?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 10: Mark what's going?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: On my brother so super excited to come On wednesday
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: for joint. PRACTICE i really feel like we actually now
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: finally have a tight end room With Hunter Henry Eli
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: reard AND's just looking like a stud In Pana. Harkin
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: you know our three, guys you, know one of our
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: favorite undrafted. GUYS i think he's going to make a
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: big pop in the roster as far as blocking. Goes
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: So i'm really excited to see those two. Guys but
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: WHAT i wanted to, ASK i, know the Whole Christian
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: zales thing going on me, Personally my thought is if
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: he if he doesn't want to sign for whatever the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: market value, is then why not trade. Him you can
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: probably get three first round picks for. Him you, can you,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: know package you know some of those. Up you can
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: get back into the top ten and get another stud.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Corner so so my thought, is you, know if you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: can just keep recycling through you know players and not
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: have to pay every position top, dollar that that would be,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: my you, know my opinion to go. THROUGH i, MEAN
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: i feel, like as long as you have good, corners
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: you don't need elite.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 10: Corners but if you.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Have good, CORNERS i feel, like you, know the money
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: should be spread around a little bit better to maybe
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: a left backle your, quarterback you, know more premium positions
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: that you know that you. Need what is your guys'
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: thoughts on?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: That, yeah thanks for the, Call, Mark, LOOK I i
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: feel like this is, always you, know we do this
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: all the. Time with the voter or the mystery. Box, Right,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: yes you could Trade Christian zales for a boatload of
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: first round. Picks one of those first round picks might
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: even be as good As Christian zalz right, Right like
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: that's the argument against, it right, obviously you, know and
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: then in the short, term if you Trade Christian, zales
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: what does that do For Drake man the twenty twenty Sixth.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: Patriots, no you need the Immediate they'd be better off
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: With Christian zolaz playing on his rookie contract and trading
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: him after the year for maybe, less, yeah than trading
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: him now for. More because you're trying to get back
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: To Super. Bowl you're not gonna be able to replace
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: him right now unless you trade him for another. Player
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: BUT i just don't see that, Happening like that should
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: be the last ditch. Outcome, absolutely can't let him walk
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: in free. Agency, no that's not that's not.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: HAPPENING i mean they have franchise, tag they have all
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: sorts of team Controls.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Arry draft and developed. Team he is a guy that
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: drafts and. Developed he was the first one really of
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: The Elliot wolf. Era like they should be paying him
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: so that he won't take market. Value we don't know
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: what the market value. Is that's what makes this. Tricky
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: he's going to reset the. Market, no he's not going
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: to take one hundred thousand dollars more Than Denzel. Ward he's.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Not he's a much better. Player him And witherspoon are
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: going to reset the. Market that's probably part of the
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: reason that he's going to sign, second Because witherspoon's going
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: to reset it, too and he wants a better idea
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: of what the new market. Is and there's some external
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: forces In. Seattle when you talk about the team being,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: sold that just that deal needs to get done sooner
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: rather than. Later it's not to say The patriot shouldn't
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: be urgent With, gonzales but there's again just, business non
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: football reasons That witherspoon should sign. First so same, Go,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Well gonzales won't sign for market, value so kick his
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: ass to the. Curb, like that's not what's. Happening this
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: isn't some mid tier player that is thinking he's above
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: what he is and is getting. Greedy AND i feel
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: like it's kind of starting to get painted like.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: That, WELL i think that at this, point for better or. Worse,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah Robert craft came out and said that we've offered
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: him the highest paid contract at that position in the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: highest Paid patriot, ever now the highest Paid patriot, ever,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: whatever but highest paid player at the. Position that's a big.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Contract if that's, true then that's a big contract to.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Offer and so to a lot of, People i'm not
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: going to put words in the caller's, mouth but to
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of, people it's, like, well they already offered
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: you the biggest contract at the position in the history
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: of the, League, like what more do you? Want but
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: at the same, time we don't. Know the devil's in the.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Details we don't know how much guaranteed money that. Is
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: we don't know how much money is tied up and
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: per game roster bonuses and workout bonuses and all these
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: other different things that contract fluff turns, into you, know
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: incentives like does he have to make The Pro? Bowl
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: does he have to make it All pro? Team do
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: they have to make The Super? Bowl like all these
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: different things that go into these. Contracts we don't know
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: the details of that of that.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Offer SO i.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Think that that's and maybe it was good, postering maybe
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: it was, bad but putting pressure on the on the
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: player a little bit by saying we offered him a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: market record is what, happened and so some people take
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: that at face, value and that's where we're at on
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: the kind of Pro patriot Anti gonzales side a little.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Bit my whole thing is That i'm just not worried
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: about any of this.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: Yet. YEAH i think we're.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Still way too early on the calendar for me to
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: start to worry that this isn't going to get done.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Again if he starts playing games on the fourth year
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: of his rookie, contract it's hard to come back from.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: That that's WHEN i start to get. Concerned that's WHEN
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: i start to get concerned that we're headed down The,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: parsons the, McDuffie that path of things where next offseason
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: there training them and that's not what we. Want, yeah
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: obviously you want my player.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: HERE i, Again witherspoon's going to reset the market at some. Point,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: Now gonzalez has an idea of what the, market and
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: The patriots have an idea of what the market, is
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: and they go from. THERE i think that's what's going to.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Happen All, right we have fifteen minutes. Left let's talk
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: about the game tomorrow. Night, yeah fifteen minutes is the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: perfect amount of.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Time we're on a pre back catch twenty two form
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: were like blow through the whole. Show we barely even
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: have time to preview the next.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: Game, no this is the perfect amount of time to
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: talk about a preseason.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Game.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: Preseason, no we we got very bogged down by the quarterback.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: Development that was a good.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: Conversation the preseason game tomorrow, Night thursday, NIGHT i should,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: say because that's the. Best the right thing to do
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: on radio is not say tomorrow or. Yesterday thursday night
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: always a showcase for individual. Players, yeah not going to
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: talk too much about the scheme or anything like, that
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: especially with the coaching staff staying the same from year to. Year,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: here it's always a showcase for individual. Players the biggest
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: one to, me let's start with the. ROOKIES i think
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: all those guys will. Play there's no reason for them not.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: To maybe there's an injury or something like that would
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: be the only. Reason so you're gonna See. LOMU i
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: assume you're gonna See. Yakis that's the one and he's
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: practiced in full.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's just a couple, series BUT i think
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: we're gonna see him for you, know more than just
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: a few.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: Plays you're gonna See Eli reridan obviously as well in that,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: GROUP i would, think but this is the first, time
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: AND i think that all three of those guys play
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: positions where you really kind of have to go back
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: and evaluate tape of that of how it, looks because
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: it's harder to evaluate and. Practice they all play in
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: the trenches in some. Respects they're all blocking or you,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: know pass rushing or stop in the. Run i'm really
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: excited to see what those three guys in, particular out
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: of that rookie class look like on. Film you, know
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: does do they look, strong do they look like they
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: can block their? Position do they look like you, Know
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: akus's skill. Translate that to me is really kind of the.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Headline and then some of the roster. Battles but the three,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: rookies it's always the first. Preseason, YEAH i.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Mean that's that's, Well i'll throw four in, There i'll
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: throw a punty in. There, yeah but that's gonna be
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: the main. STORY i think those guys not to see
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: a ton of the. Starters those are four players that
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: oh lonmoy guess the red, shirt he's a first round,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: pick and then the other three year guys that are
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: gonna play a role for this, team to what extent
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: we'll find, out but guys that are gonna play a
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: role for this team this. Year so against you, know live,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: competition it sounds like The colts may play a few
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: more of their. Starters IF i was reading that right,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: YESTERDAY i Know David jones isn't, playing but.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Even If acis And raridon are going against their, two's
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: so those are still guys that are gonna make their
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: team and make their. Roster but it's, more you, know
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: it's not their front line, guys, RIGHT i still feel
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: like that's you're you can take, Away Like Blake freeland
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: is their backup left. Tackle it's AN nfl, Player like
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: it's not it's Not Bernard, raymond but it's he's still
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: AND nfl caliber swing. Tackle so if gay backs bolt
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: rushes him and puts him on the, Ground i'm still
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: gonna clip. It that's still gonna be something we're gonna talk.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: About so that's what it's Really when you get into
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of the preseason games and you got
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: the guys that are maybe trying to put out tape for,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: practice squads and things like.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: That that's when it gets.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Dicey but usually for these, games like the first, quarter
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: maybe even the whole first, half there's at LEAST nfl
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: players on the field, Exactly So i'm looking forward to.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: That the other, ONE i would, SAY i think That
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Kyle williams kind of needs to have a big.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Preseason.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: NOW i don't think he's in jeopardy of getting, cut
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: but is there a chance that they entertain a trade with?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Him is there a chance that his role is extremely
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: diminished and he's really another red shirt kind of season for.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: HIM i Think Kyle williams in these preseason, games it's
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: not enough for him to look like he. Belongs he
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: needs to look like he's a cut above everybody else
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: on the. Field the third running back, Competition this is
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: maybe one of the bigger ones, too really difficult to
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: evaluate running backs in. Practice there's no, tackling so the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: whole tackle breaking element is completely taken, out which is
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: obviously a big part of. This So laris And, Jennings, Miller,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: montgomery those four, GUYS i think this is a big
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: night for, them all three. GAMES i think that's you,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Know Kyle shannan has said it in the Pass i'm
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: sure other coaches have said. It you really can't evaluate
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: running backs in, practice not in terms of running the,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: football maybe in pass protection or running routes side of the,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: backfield but as a ball. Carrier it's the preseason games
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: that really win or lose those.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: Jobs, YEAH i, mean you notice we've talked about this
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: running back competition a lot in terms of, like, well
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: like this is what it looks like right, now but
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: there's time for that to, change or this guy's in the,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: lead but nothing's, concrete or like this is where we
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: start to actually get some concrete information on these. GUYS
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: i would assume it's going to be relatively even workload
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: between them.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Two, Yeah i'm sure we'll see a lot Of Miller
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: montgomery in the fourth Quarter.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Miller, monty AND i think we'll see plenty Of laris
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: in early In. Jenning, SO i, MEAN i wouldn't be
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: surprised If, henderson If stevenson doesn't, Play henderson maybe gets a.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: Drive war two just kind of work on some of
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: that pass protection. Stuff but we're gonna get a full.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Look this running back battle's kind of been. Simmering it
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: might be a way to put, it because, again there's
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: a little so much you can see in, practice and
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: now it's gonna be right in our face because we
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: also Know josh mccaniels not super interested in throwing the
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: ball ton in the. Preseason let's keep the clock, moving get,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: in get. OUT i like. THEM i like that.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: APPROACH i would say, too with all the four of
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: those guys you, know or any of them returning, kickoffs
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: if they, do how do they look Returning.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Kyle williams in that as? Well? Yeah that THAT i.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Think you, know we've Seen Kyle, Williams Terrell, Jennings, landleris
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: And Efton chisholm. YESTERDAY i think we have the four
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: guys that got a shot out on the kickoff. Returns
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: SO i think those guys will be involved in that as.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Well right, now if you had to make a, projection
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: who's who you're keeping at running, back.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: The fact they Jump Terrell jennings right to the top
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: of the depth chart tells me it's.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: HIM i feel the same.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: Way BUT i, mean they clearly Like larison.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: Too i'm not rolling out A larison push, here, yeah
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: but it does feel like they really Like Terrell.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: JENNINGS i did a ross projection over the. WEEKEND i
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: Had Terrell jennings.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: All right next one, HERE i wrote down the depth
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: edge Rushers Brayden, Swinson Xavier, holmes AND i PUT Q
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: hutchins on this list. Too can any of those guys
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: show me? Something because right, now Pondered Draymond, jones gay
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: backus in whatever, Capacity Harold landry's on the roster around the.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: Building those four guys are going to be here this.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Season is there a fifth guy that's worth? Keeping is
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: there AN nfl player out of that group that's worth
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: keeping as the fifth? Guy If Harold landry opens the
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: season on, pup what do you do?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 11: Then?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean that might be a waiver, CLAIM i will,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: say unless one of these guys shows out and earns the.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Job So swinson hasn't popped the way you'd Ho Xavier
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: holmes wasn't bad in that joint. Practicing almost blocked a punt,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: yep WHICH i know doesn't apply to edge, rushing but
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a special teams.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Role, yeah him AND Q hutchins can both play on.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Teams So I'm Xavier hutchinson. Won i'll be watching a
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: little Closely, Yeah, Holmes Xavier, Holmes, YEAH i kind of like.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: YOU i like What i've.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: Seen FROM Q hutchins and one on, ones AND i
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: know he can play special. Teams, yeah so that's the
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: guy That i'm hoping maybe pops a little bit uh
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: depth on the offensive, line you, know tackle, depth guard.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Depth you've Mentioned Marcus bryant and cayleb blowgo win a
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: little bit of a camp. Battle that's one their plan
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: For James. Hudson he's playing playing.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of anybody stepping up at Cars So James hudson.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: RUPSICH i Assume Ben brown's gonna play at least a little.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: Bit it will probably be a lot Of Jacob rizzy
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: too at, center just to get them through the. Game
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: but any of those guys on the interior offensive line
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: put out good.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: TAPE i, SOMEWHAT i still realizing that any thing in,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: camp we really haven't seen him on the. FIELD i
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: still want to Think John Darius morgan maybe can make a,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: push but this is gonna be the setting he has
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: to do, it because, again he's not getting a ton
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: of reps in practices right. Now.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: Yep demetrius Crown over put him with the. ROOKIES i
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: just it's so enticing the, tools the, length he's light
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: on his, feet he's a big. Dude he's got great,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: length like unreal arm. Length if they can develop the,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: tools and it's a long term, play it's not something
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: that's gonna happen overnight with Crown. Over, yeah BUT i
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: JUST i would hate them to cut those, tools LIKE
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: i you, know just maybe it's there's not a room
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: for him on the, roster BUT i want to see
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: them sink their teeth into developing.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Him WELL i do, remember so let's let's rewind a, year,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: Right and we both liked The DeMarcus bryant. Pick, yep
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: and you, know, okay fun project player guy they can maybe.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Develop and then he really didn't do much last summer
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: and we weren't sure if he was going to make the.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: Team we thought he's gonna come in and Replace Viderian,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: low and it Was Ververian low pretty sistantly wrapping ahead of,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: him and it was, like all, right well he was
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: a project. Player maybe they didn't see enough makes the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: team like true red shirt. Year and now look at,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: it he's pushing their first round pick to be the
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: top backup swing. Tackle what If crownover is just? That,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: yeah what if they like him but they know he's not,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Ready so, it's, hey we don't want expose me too
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: much right. Away we need to get him in the
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: weight room and get him in the, program and then
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: maybe next year is the big year for Crown. Over,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Right Morgan moses is gone and then it's it's Low
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: moos starting and it's Crown over Versus bryant for that
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: top backup tackle.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: Job SO I i don't know how MUCH i need
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: to see For crownover to be like good or bad
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: one where there he might be like a true true
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: red shirt player the Way Marcus bryant was last.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Year he can't teach that those types of traits, size,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: lane foot, speed, right it's those are hard to find
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: in a three hundred plus pound human, being and he's got.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: Him SO i just would hate to see them have
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: to give up on that because of a roster. Crunch,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: yeah you, know find a way to keep him in the.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Building dev. LINEBACKER i Think Kleil jacob is gonna be a.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Name if you're watching it on the broadcast tomorrow, night
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: you're gonna probably hear a lot of hype For Khalil
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: jacobs as a guy that maybe is pushing for the
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: fourth linebacker. Spot it's been pretty, Consistent roberts, Playing Christian,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Ellis Chad muma is the top three. Guys Maybe muma
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: plays a little bit just because they need bodies and
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: need somebody to, play But Khalil jacobs is the. Guy
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: and then we've talked a lot about the cornerback spot
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: and the depth at corner And vildor And prunty And
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: minor and all those guys Channing. Canada if you want
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: to throw his name in there as, well they're all gonna,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: play and they're all gonna you have to showcase their
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: ability to compete and be the rotational corner fourth guy
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: if you want to call it. That is there anything
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: else that you're looking at Besides tommy Two, chains who's
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: gonna go out there and hopefully light it up in
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: the first.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: QUARTER i tweeted it up about. IT i tweeted it
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: the night they signed the udfa's As i'm ready for
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: to come to. Fruition Baron, Morton Cameron, dorner you are
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: gonna look Like brady and ass out they want that.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: CONNECTION i am excited for that connection.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: There you actually are excited for.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: That, look The more's had a good camp and great
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: SO i know he missed some time he was, hurt
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: but before that he was really. Good i'm excited to
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: see with those. Guys you know how much that fourth
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: court of the preseason he, gets like it's like college
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: football relivated. Skuys you just remember watching On saturdays and
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: who's that guy that pops up off in the fourth
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: court and, like all, right he's not gonna make the.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Team but that was kind of. Sick, Okay i'll give you.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: That you know. What, uh that's what we.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Have to find joy and in these preseason games is
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: it's somebody's, journey, right.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: It's somebody some.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: Big part of, it trying to make a, roster trying
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: to stick in THE, nfl trying to make a practice.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: Squad Even, hey the practice squad guys get paid, too you,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: know they get taken care. Of, also they're eating out
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: of the same brand new. Cafeteria we're gonna go check
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: out here in a little, bit and, uh you know
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: all that kind of. Stuff Mike rabel usually takes pretty
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: good care of the practice squad guys to a lot
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: of them travel in the playoffs last, year got to
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: go to the Super, bowl all that kind of, Stuff
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: so you know what that that means something as, well
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: and that's what the preseason is all. About we got
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: one more, call and he's got a good, name SO
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: i can't leave him on. Hold and then he's going
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: to wrap up the show for. Us, evan what's going?
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 11: On hey, Guys, evan this questions for. YOU i know
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 11: we're just talking about the swing, tackle so apologies and
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 11: someone's already asked, this but what do we think about
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 11: getting mac hollins maybe the swing tackle opening up an
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 11: extra roster?
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 10: Spot.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Appreciated thanks for the, Call. Evan that's a great.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Idea like he's too small to move him to tight,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: end so let's move him even further inside and closer
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: to the. FOOTBALL i tackled, good, good not exactly WHAT
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: i was expecting to end the showing a running, back.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: You, know but not your Boy Haines king got? Hurt?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: Huh you got he did The charlotte?
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Flew is that what they're Calling charlotte's?
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: SICKNESS i had one other question from the email THAT
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: i probably shouldn't have wait for so, long BECAUSE i
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: know you can get lost in the sauce with a
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: With mike, McDaniel BUT i have seen a lot of
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: clips on social media The. Chargers social media is putting
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: out Of mike McDaniel being a.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: Goofball.
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  Speaker 1: Uh This emailers is From john who said he has
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  Speaker 1: a question for you. SPECIFICALLY i know you Hate mike,
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  Speaker 1: McDaniel BUT i wonder what your thought on him being
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: in oc With Justin. Herbert what do you feel do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like he's going to be a good offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator For Justin?
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  Speaker 2: Herbert he'll probably be. Fine AND i, look And i've
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: said this about, him And i've said this about some
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: of the other head Coaches i've. Criticized there are some
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  Speaker 2: people that are just really good coordinators that are not
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: meant to be head. Coaches AND i Put mike McDaniel in.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: THAT i think he's got a good mind for the.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: GAME i think he designs good. Plays he needs to
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  Speaker 2: actually get the plays. In you, know he did struggle
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: with which he can't do and maybe he needs to
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: be offensive coordinator but not the play caller or. Something
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: but the interesting thing to me there is like him
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  Speaker 2: And harbaugh don't sync up in terms of their philosophy
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: is a ton and if it doesn't, like is that
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  Speaker 2: going to become an. Issue BUT i think he's a
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: good offensive. MIND i just don't think he's a series,
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  Speaker 2: enough serious enough person to be AN nfl head. Coach
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: SO i.
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  Speaker 1: Think that might be. Fair that last part might be.
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  Speaker 1: FAIR i think that he runs the ball more than
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: he gets credit. For But miami was just a finesse.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: Team it's the way he. Runs harbaugh wants to have
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: three full backs something right, like But miami played with
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: a full Back. Algangal that's, true but they were a finest,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: team but a different kind of full. Back they were
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: trying to get H they were trying to get outside
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: and into, thealey As Vince lombardi would, say Whereas harbaught
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: traditionally wants to come right at you.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Right so stylistically they run the ball. Differently but, PHILOSOPHICALLY
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  Speaker 1: i Think mike McDaniel actually runs the ball more than
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: people give him credit.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: For but it's just a different kind Of, yeah it's,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: SO i, mean that'll be. INTERESTING I and the other
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: thing is McDaniel's notoriously been bad in the, playoffs Justin
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: herbert notoriously struggled to win the, playoffs SO i don't
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: know about that. PAIRING i remember saying this to, you
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: and this is before we knew everything that was going
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: to happen with The patriots and worked out. Better but
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: when the Drug mayo Alexident pelting wasn't working and we
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: weren't sure if they were gonna want and Done mayo
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: and Hey Van, Pelt MIKE o is, like we gotta
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: hope The dolphins fire McDaniel soon so he can come
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: be THE oc For drake may LIKE i had said. That,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: yeah so when he got fired by, mam he was
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: gonna be probably the best offensive Coordinator canada available that.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: CYCLE i find it interesting that he's the coordinator now
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Because Ted win had that list of the best play
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: callers in the, league the two it was a top,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: ten the two ocs non head coaches that made the.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: List for McDaniels to, McDaniel yeah that was, tricky two different.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: People So josh McDaniels WAS i think eighth on the
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: list and he was the FIRST oc, name and Then
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: mike McDaniel i think was tenth on the list and
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: he was the SECOND oc. Named so both teams have
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: a benefit of really having like head coach offense with
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: both those. Guys that's different than maybe some of the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: other ocs that you. See So i'm interested to see
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: how that, goes BECAUSE i do do you hear a
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: lot about The chargers and how much talent they have
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: on that. Roster and they Have Jim harbough who everybody
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: and they Have Justin herbert who everybody, loves and they
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: have you, know the two tackles are going to be
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: healthy now and all this different type of, stuff and
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: they can't win in the, playoffs so it's all kind
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: of mustard up to.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: Nothing we'll see if.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: It look there he is right, now he's The Joel
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: embiid of the of THE. Nfl it's somebody else you
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: know who The yes it, Is yes it. Is he's
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: gone better Than Joel. Embiid But John bead's never been
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: out of the second.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Round, yeah but they both have kind of the fraudulent
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: m V p and they play for franchises that just
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: consistently get in their own.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: WAY i, think, uh do you think That Josh allen
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: And Harley steinfeler are gonna play with each other's hair
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: on the training camp? Field. MAYBE i mean Justin herbert did, It,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Josh Joe burrow did. IT i haven't Seen drake do
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: it with my own.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: Eyes he was sitting with Hand michael made the other
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: day and kind of. Post but they weren't for a,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: second they weren't doing any of. That he's talk to
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: THE i don't know if there was, absolutely of, COURSE
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: i don't know if if Is herbert. Married burrow's not Married.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: HERBERT i think they're, Engaged, okay so they can they
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: can do. THAT i don't. KNOW i don't look too
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: much into. That but, uh what we're on the coaching.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: Thing have you seen the stuff coming out Of bill's
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: camp About Joe?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: BRADY i, like but the bills have some weird and
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: we have to wrap the bills have some Weird JUST
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: i don't know what's real and what's not real with the.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: Bills it's kind of like politics these, days like is
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: this headline true or is this like something that's been made?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Up like their uniform the stadium has apparently like a
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: diva and a problem now all of a, Sudden LIKE
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: i just don't know what's going on In orchard coach,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: Killer somebody just tell me what's.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: Real, Buffalo just explain to. Me does your stadium have
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: obstructed views or? Not LIKE i JUST i don't know
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: what's being.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: MANIPULATED ai from him YESTERDAY i thought was fake ON,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: McFee but apparently it was.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: Real my, goodness all, Right and he said he's a
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: little softer, now, yeah, yeah because he had a baby
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: or she had a. Baby, yeah he did not have a.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: Baby all.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Right next, week the show's gonna be a little bit
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: later in the. Afternoon we're going to be three to
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: five after the joint practice with The. Eagles that's the
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: first joint practice with The, eagles So i'm looking forward to.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: That So alex AND i are going to go watch
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: practice in the morning and at from three to five,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: o'clock we'll get you updated on everything that happened in
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: the first day of joints with The. Eagles Patriots unfiltered
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: won't be tomorrow because there's a, game so pre and postgame.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: SHOW i don't know what the time is for, that
• 2:01:32
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• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: On here will be A patriots pregame show ahead Of
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: Patriots colts preseason game number, one six o'clock six o'clock
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  Speaker 1: tip For patriots pregame SO i will see you guys next.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Week we'll see you next week On catch twenty two
• 2:01:51
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• 2:01:52
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