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Patriots Draft Countdown: Previewing the Defensive Backs, NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah on New England's Biggest Needs and Best Fits · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: What's up, everybody, We're back with another episode of Patriots
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  Speaker 4: England Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: And guys.
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  Speaker 4: Today, we have an episode focusing on the defensive backs.
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  Speaker 4: We have a film review from Evan Lazar and we
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  Speaker 4: also have an interview with the one and only Daniel Jeremiah.
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  Speaker 4: But before we get into that, we want to go
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  Speaker 4: over some weekend news and guys.
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  Speaker 5: We had a lot.
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  Speaker 4: We got Paul Parrillo, Chris Cassidy here, we had JJ
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  Speaker 4: McCarthy right to the top, very similar to some I
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  Speaker 4: would say, Zach Wilson. So what do you guys think
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  Speaker 4: about that?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, not buying it. You know, on the surface, I
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  Speaker 6: think JJ McCarthy has some ability. I'm not telling you
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  Speaker 6: that I think that he doesn't belong in this converse
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  Speaker 6: station with the other quarterbacks. I think he's got more
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  Speaker 6: athleticism than he's given credit for. I think he's shown
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  Speaker 6: the ability to move around in the pocket and make plays.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, the most recent stuff coming out of
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  Speaker 6: the owners meetings, you know, talking about possibly Washington at
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  Speaker 6: number two. I have to think they're trying to pump
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  Speaker 6: this guy's value up for some reason, maybe trying to
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  Speaker 6: increase the the importance of those picks, see if you
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  Speaker 6: can entice somebody to move up. But I don't see
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  Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy being on par with those other guys, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels in Drake May. I think
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  Speaker 6: he's a notch below those guys.
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  Speaker 4: Sam Chris, what do you think.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely see more excuse me as like a second
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  Speaker 1: round type of guy. I mean, he had a great
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  Speaker 1: pro day. I mean nothing, nothing new there. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, it's like this whole time he's been
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  Speaker 1: pushed as that second round quarterback. You can go and
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  Speaker 1: get them, you can focus on the Jane Daniels, Caleb Williams,
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  Speaker 1: Drake May's of the world in the first round. JJ
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy has always been that second round sort of so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what is causing all of this extra
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  Speaker 1: hype around it. I think it's really interesting. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's great nobility, he didn't throw the ball all that
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  Speaker 1: much at Michigan. He threw a good amount, and he
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  Speaker 1: had a great receiver in Roman Wilson. But I mean again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't fully see that first round upside for him.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's basically my point with him is I
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  Speaker 6: think he has ability. I probably think that you could
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  Speaker 6: talk yourself into a first round pick.
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  Speaker 5: That's fine.
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  Speaker 6: I just think he's more of a projection because of
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  Speaker 6: what Chris just said. He didn't throw as much in
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  Speaker 6: college as the other guys. Now he's younger, so I
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  Speaker 6: guess that's a you know, a plus for him, especially
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  Speaker 6: if you're looking to take him and maybe understanding that
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  Speaker 6: you're not going to play in right away, you know,
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  Speaker 6: sort to get him more acclimated to the pro game.
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  Speaker 6: But I feel like the other guys had to carry
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  Speaker 6: their teams JJ McCarthy one more than the other guys,
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  Speaker 6: but I think he had, you know, quote unquote less
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  Speaker 6: to do with it than the other guys.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The real discussion will be if why Washington makes that pick,
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  Speaker 4: what the trickle down effect will.
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  Speaker 6: Be great news, great news for the New England Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: Give gives you some options there. But guys, we also
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  Speaker 4: had owner owner meetings, league meetings and some new rules
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  Speaker 4: got made, so we have the kickoff changes. But the
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  Speaker 4: one that kind of effects of Patriots maybe their draft
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  Speaker 4: situation is the hip drop tackle. We're seen tackling kind
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  Speaker 4: of taken out of the game here. So how's that
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  Speaker 4: approach are you going to take.
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  Speaker 6: I don't like the rule obviously, but I mean, I
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  Speaker 6: think every team's in the same boat. I don't necessarily
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  Speaker 6: think it it will impact as much with the draft.
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  Speaker 6: I think, you know, what I would worry about from
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  Speaker 6: a defensive point of view, and I saw Juwan Bentley
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  Speaker 6: was very very active on social media talking about this stuff.
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  Speaker 6: You can't hit high, you can't hit low. Now you
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  Speaker 6: can't hit in the middle. So I don't really know
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  Speaker 6: what a defensive player to do. And the thing that
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  Speaker 6: would bother me the most if I were an NFL
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  Speaker 6: defensive player, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And I could be.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's not a stretch, But what will
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  Speaker 6: bother me the most in all seriousness, would be sort
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  Speaker 6: of the comments coming out of those meetings about you
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  Speaker 6: might not see it as much with flags on the field,
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  Speaker 6: but you're gonna see it with fines.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that would really bug me if I were.
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  Speaker 6: You know, especially like a safety, you know, having a
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  Speaker 6: deal with these huge tight ends.
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  Speaker 5: You're trying to figure out a way to get them
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  Speaker 5: on the ground.
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  Speaker 4: If you're like a Marcus Jones size player and you
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  Speaker 4: got Derek Henry running at you, what are you supposed
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  Speaker 4: to do?
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. I think I want to sort
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  Speaker 1: of compare it to the pass interference penalty that was revoked. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: I hope that the flag is to be thrown isn't
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  Speaker 1: going to be thrown as much as that pass interference
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  Speaker 1: flag was. It's tough to overturn things like that, and
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  Speaker 1: also not to you'd be able to overturn it, but
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  Speaker 1: that's a tough penalty. And that's they're just playing football.
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  Speaker 1: They're going in for a normal tackle.
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  Speaker 7: There.
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  Speaker 1: They've been taught this since they were in second grade.
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  Speaker 1: This is how you hit, and it's it's it's upsetting, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion.
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  Speaker 6: You're keeping the head out of the hit, You're leading
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  Speaker 6: with your shoulder, you're targeting the mid section exactly, but
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  Speaker 6: you're rolling in way that they don't like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: unwaiting yourself. I just think you're really asking for a
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  Speaker 6: lot of trouble and trying to adjudicate that. I think
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  Speaker 6: it's going to be difficult. I think you're going to
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  Speaker 6: see uh plays that are going to impact games on
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  Speaker 6: routine tackles. And I know it's all about player safety,
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  Speaker 6: and I would certainly never advocate anything that's not in
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  Speaker 6: the name of player safety. It's it's a violent game,
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  Speaker 6: and I understand it. I think this one's tough. I
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  Speaker 6: think the kickoff one tease, this makes a little.
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  Speaker 5: Bit more sense. It's gonna be a little different.
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  Speaker 6: It's gonna be jarring to people who haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 6: Psychos like tease and I we we watch a little
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  Speaker 6: spring football, so we've seen this. We've seen XFL games,
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  Speaker 6: We've seen this kickoff a little bit. I think it's
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  Speaker 6: going to be really really an adjustment though for people
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  Speaker 6: who haven't.
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  Speaker 4: And it also gets rid of the surprise on sidekick
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  Speaker 4: now because now you need to they got to do something,
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  Speaker 4: and so we'll see what happens with that. Course the
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  Speaker 4: guy things to say about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I kind of like the kickoff setup.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, have loved to have seen the
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  Speaker 1: slater in this type of role to see what more
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  Speaker 1: of an impact he could have had, because he was
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  Speaker 1: that constant gunner for the Patriots, just sprinting down the sideline,
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  Speaker 1: gets to the ball first. And now you don't really
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  Speaker 1: have that. Now it's more of a scrum rugby style
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  Speaker 1: of play, and I think that'll, in my opinion, draw
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more interest on the opening kickoff because
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  Speaker 1: usually when you're watching a game, if you're at home.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna go get beer.
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  Speaker 6: You just explain it real quick. You're still kicking off
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  Speaker 6: from the thirty five, but the rest of the kickoff.
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  Speaker 5: Team is now up at.
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  Speaker 6: The thirty five thirty five, within five to ten yards
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  Speaker 6: of everybody on the receiving team, with the exception of
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  Speaker 6: the two returners. You have to have two returners in
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  Speaker 6: the quote unquote landing area. So basically nineteen of the
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  Speaker 6: twenty two players that are on the field for that
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  Speaker 6: play will now be aligned within five to ten yards
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  Speaker 6: of each other, which is ostensibly gonna cut down on
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  Speaker 6: those violent hits that take place in space. You know,
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  Speaker 6: with a guy running with a full head of steam.
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  Speaker 6: So that one I can understand the player safety, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I get that, And they're trying to get returns back
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  Speaker 6: in the game because the result.
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  Speaker 7: Now last year bunds the whole time they were.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's also different touchback limitations that as you
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  Speaker 6: go as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So then we also got coach Mayo saying, looks
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  Speaker 4: like big Mike is gonna be playing right tackle, So
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  Speaker 4: that's what.
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  Speaker 6: We're starting, he said, yeah, he did say he would.
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  Speaker 6: He could be moving them around.
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  Speaker 4: It looks like it's a big option. So that might
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  Speaker 4: change how we approach drafting alignment and what what round
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  Speaker 4: we do it, And hopefully we do do it because
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  Speaker 4: we need one.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe maybe they're going to draft they're going to keep
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  Speaker 6: him at right tackle because they're gonna draft Michael Penis,
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  Speaker 6: and that'll be the blind side think of that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean talking about Penis though, kind of going back
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  Speaker 1: to the JJ McCarthy discussion. I know we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: off of it, but he's a guy that threw the
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  Speaker 1: ball a million times in Washington. You can see his arm,
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  Speaker 1: you can see his uh progress throughout the season, and
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  Speaker 1: he's still semi mobile. I mean, you worry about his
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  Speaker 1: injuries here and then, but like that, that's the type
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  Speaker 1: of person I would see in that like solidified second
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  Speaker 1: round role, like maybe moving up into the first whereas
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  Speaker 1: JJ I don't really see that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah you know, got you well anything else. On the weekend, we.
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  Speaker 6: Had some minor little uniform Yeah, you were very excited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna let you it's been a long time, Chris.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you know. Pats are getting the
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  Speaker 4: captain patch on the jersey, so you know, we did
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 7: It works out differently.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, other than that, guys, we got a good
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  Speaker 4: episode coming up with the defensive backs. As I said,
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  Speaker 4: we also got a film breakdown and an interview with
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  Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah. So let's get into the show.
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  Speaker 8: All right, we're here talking defensive backs today, guys, not
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  Speaker 8: a huge need for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: I think we can kind of get specific.
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  Speaker 8: We'll talk about some of the big guys, but overall,
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  Speaker 8: Patriots drafted Christian Goanzalees last year. They got Jonathan Jones
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  Speaker 8: coming back, but maybe some questions in the slot.
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  Speaker 2: It's safety.
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  Speaker 8: We've seen Kyle Duggar kind of move into a little
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  Speaker 8: bit more of that Devin mccordy role.
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  Speaker 2: Probably talk a little bit free safety stuff. But first guy,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to talk off the top of and Evan.
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  Speaker 8: When we were in the at the Combine and Indy,
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  Speaker 8: we talked about Cooper to Gene and if Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 8: was still here, Cooper de Gen will probably be the
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  Speaker 8: pick at some point just because of how versatile he is.
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  Speaker 5: He's a really good athlete too.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's basically Marcus Jones, but like a bigger version,
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  Speaker 9: you know, has a little bit more of those traditional
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  Speaker 9: outside cornerback traits. If you want to play him there,
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  Speaker 9: play the slot, play outside, play a little safety, probably
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  Speaker 9: play special teams, probably could play offense. Like you know,
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  Speaker 9: He's just one of those guys that is as versatile
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  Speaker 9: as as they come, and a rare, a rare type
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  Speaker 9: of athlete, you know, at that position to be able
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  Speaker 9: to do all those different types of things. I think
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  Speaker 9: his natural home at the NFL is going to be
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  Speaker 9: outside corner, but he can basically play anywhere you want
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  Speaker 9: him to play.
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  Speaker 8: So I forgot to introduce the whole panel to of course,
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  Speaker 8: we got Chris Cassidy's back sitting in for for our
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  Speaker 8: friend Paul Perrillo, aatist Bauman of course, you know me
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  Speaker 8: and me and Evan Sorry crystial here going to you.
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  Speaker 2: What do you got a cornerback who who tickled your fancy?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you'll have a guys Terry on Arnold and kool
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  Speaker 1: Aid McKinstry. I mean, both solid cornerbacks. Probably could be
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  Speaker 1: first round guys realistically. I mean I have On here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the thing with kool Aid and my making
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  Speaker 1: falls is Jones fash on his foot. It's always foot injuries.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to mess with those.
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  Speaker 5: Nice info.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that was combined info. We found that out together.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I know those are really serious. I mean
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  Speaker 1: foot injuries they go long way. I mean you gotta
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of blood flow to the foot, So
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  Speaker 1: you gotta.
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  Speaker 2: Four times not a lot of blood flow to the foot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say about Arnold. I mean, Arnold
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  Speaker 1: sixty three tackles this past season. He's a go getter.
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  Speaker 1: He's a downhill defensive back, like he'll meet you at
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  Speaker 1: the ball at all times. So I really like what
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  Speaker 1: Arnold does. So that's two guys that I really really.
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  Speaker 5: Caught my near the top. Probably not Patriots I.
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  Speaker 9: Would say, yeah, Tyran Arnold is probably the consensus CB
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  Speaker 9: one in this class, maybe top ten, top fifteen, and pick.
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  Speaker 9: His ball skills are exceptional as well. I think he
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  Speaker 9: has something like eighty targets in college and he's broken
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  Speaker 9: up thirty of them, or like something crazy like that
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  Speaker 9: really good downhill player as Chris said, he's probably him
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  Speaker 9: or Quannon Mitchell from Toledo, or there are the two
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  Speaker 9: guys that are going to be the first corners off
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  Speaker 9: the board.
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  Speaker 4: Can we also celebrate kool Aid a meme finally making
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  Speaker 4: it to the league. I remember it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: best names, but yeah, kool Aid and tarry On Arnold.
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  Speaker 4: I was watching the LSU Bama highlights and you know,
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  Speaker 4: Neighbors had a crazy game, but most of his big
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  Speaker 4: catches were against the safety is just breaking three broken,
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  Speaker 4: broken coverages. I also love Cooper de gene as I
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  Speaker 4: say that boy nice, he can HiT's safety. I could
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  Speaker 4: also move into safety. I wonder if he's gonna end
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  Speaker 4: up being like Devin mccordy, maybe starting off a cornerback
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  Speaker 4: and then potentially moving to safety later in his career.
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  Speaker 4: I also want to shout out Nat Wiggins very very physical,
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  Speaker 4: likes get involved, break up the pass, and very like.
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  Speaker 4: He likes to nag the receiver.
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  Speaker 7: That's kind of what you want with your cornerbacks.
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  Speaker 4: There.
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  Speaker 5: I got another one here.
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  Speaker 2: I think all of us have some familiarity with him.
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  Speaker 5: He's local kid.
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  Speaker 8: Mikes and Bristol were talking to you guys pregame. Everybody
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  Speaker 8: was kind of mentioning him. We did did sit in
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  Speaker 8: back of his parents on the way back. I gotta
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  Speaker 8: the great people it was. It was really cool. They
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  Speaker 8: were very proud of their son. But you know, I
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  Speaker 8: don't know if it's gonna line up Evan like with him,
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  Speaker 8: and yeah, he's kind to go early, but he fits,
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  Speaker 8: you know, And I mean he played offense just tenacious,
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  Speaker 8: six interceptions, two of them returned for touchdown.
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  Speaker 5: If there was one guy that you could kind of
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  Speaker 5: like slip in, what a great fit, he'd be a
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  Speaker 5: good one here.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's There's a lot of these types of players
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  Speaker 9: in this draft, unfortunately for the Patriots, because I don't
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  Speaker 9: think the need in the slot is as big as
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  Speaker 9: maybe another rotational body on the outside. Right now, you
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  Speaker 9: have you have obviously Christian Gonzalez, but in terms of
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  Speaker 9: size on the outside physicality on the outside, he still
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  Speaker 9: kind of could use another guy there, whereas in the slot,
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  Speaker 9: you know, you probably think Jonathan Jones is gonna play
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  Speaker 9: a lot of snaps there. Marcus Jones coming back, uh,
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  Speaker 9: Saint Streel to me is is a nickel and this class,
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  Speaker 9: just as a general statement on the cornerback class, there
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  Speaker 9: are a ton of nickels in this class. Like that's
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  Speaker 9: really where it's strong, is a slot corner, especially on
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  Speaker 9: Day two, so he probably is the top of that,
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  Speaker 9: but there's you know, a whole list of them after that.
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  Speaker 9: So this cornerback class is interesting. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 9: as top heavy as past years, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 9: think I think last year the top guys like a
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  Speaker 9: Christian Zalez, you know, like the kid the Seahawks drafted
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  Speaker 9: who have now Witherspoon, Like, I think those guys are
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  Speaker 9: probably would be better than some of these guys in
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  Speaker 9: this class. But ten to forty is really deep. You know,
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  Speaker 9: there's probably gonna be a handful of corners taken in
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  Speaker 9: that sort of range. So I'm curious to see when
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  Speaker 9: these corners start coming off the board. Because of all
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  Speaker 9: the offensive talent at the top of the first round.
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  Speaker 9: It could be Terry on Arnold's the first corner at
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  Speaker 9: eleven or twelve or something like that, which is in
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  Speaker 9: most years that's pretty low.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I also want to see it's like if the
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  Speaker 4: Patch are gonna make it. Personally, I don't think they
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  Speaker 4: can make pick before the fourth if they were to
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  Speaker 4: take a corner. And so you gotta see if maybe
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  Speaker 4: Saint Astril or Elijah Jones somebody's around there, maybe take
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  Speaker 4: a flyer on them. But it just that pick can't
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  Speaker 4: happen before the fourth.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Elijah Jones is on my list. So I'm at
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  Speaker 9: the Senior Bowl. Long freak athlete, maybe a little bit undersized,
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  Speaker 9: you know, not not a guy that's that's huge in
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  Speaker 9: terms of mass, but very athletic in a really good length,
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  Speaker 9: can play on the outside, maybe play a little bit
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  Speaker 9: of safety. The other name I wrote down was Cam
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  Speaker 9: Hart from Notre Dame, who had a really good Senior
• 14:32
  Speaker 9: Bowl week. He similar size, but more physical in press
• 14:37
  Speaker 9: man coverage. If you want a true outside bump and
• 14:39
  Speaker 9: run corner in the third or fourth round, he's a
• 14:42
  Speaker 9: little grabby. He doesn't have a great long speed, so
• 14:44
  Speaker 9: he's probably not going to be that high pick. I
• 14:47
  Speaker 9: would look at cam Hart my number one core. I
• 14:49
  Speaker 9: love tierro On Arnold think is a good player. I
• 14:51
  Speaker 9: love Quinion Mitchell from Toledo. That guy I think is
• 14:54
  Speaker 9: going to be a hell of a pro. So I
• 14:55
  Speaker 9: would say that those are the three guys that you know,
• 14:57
  Speaker 9: different tiers, right, you know, Quinion Mitchell first round pick,
• 15:01
  Speaker 9: cam Hart day two guy maybe third or fourth round,
• 15:03
  Speaker 9: Elijah Jones maybe slightly after that.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: I mean there's two guys that if Pats want to
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: go at cornerback route, I think that stand out to me.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Second third day type players. Kamari Lassiter. I think Kamari
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: is a solid player out of Georgia. And I really
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: like Kyrie Jackson out of Oregon.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Just played his twenty twenty three season with Oregon All
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Pack twelve first team. You know, he's got great tackling
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: grade Pro Football Focus eighty four eighty four point three tackling.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: That was one of the top tacklers at Oregon. Again,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: also kind of a ball hog. Three interceptions. So Kyrie
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: is somebody that could fall if the Pagers want to
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: go to the corner. They like those Oregon corners.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah as well, Yeah right, a couple of couple of
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: me to throw out.
• 15:47
  Speaker 8: And then this is the guy that I saw the
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: combine and he just had the vibe. Max Melton from
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: from UH from Rutgers ran a four to three to
• 15:54
  Speaker 8: nine inside outside. I just playd tough, you know. Watched
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: a little him against Marvin Harrison Junior did a really
• 15:59
  Speaker 8: good Joe. I think there's no question if he if
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: he is a slot and you know, and I mean,
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: you know, just to offer a different point of view,
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: and we're recording this at a certain point, I'm kind
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: of expecting and I'm hoping that the Patriots signed somebody
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: likes Stefon Gilmore. As what Evan said, that third rotational
• 16:13
  Speaker 8: outside guy. I'm not exactly sold entirely yet on Marcus
• 16:16
  Speaker 8: Jones in the slot. So I am a little bit
• 16:18
  Speaker 8: more open to some of these slot guys. Jarvis Brownley
• 16:22
  Speaker 8: from Louisville's another one that caught my eye. Good movement skills,
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: just aggressive kind of press man. And the last one
• 16:28
  Speaker 8: I'll just mention here in the cornerback class. Of course,
• 16:29
  Speaker 8: we got to get a TCU guy in is Josh Newton, who.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Over four thousand snaps.
• 16:34
  Speaker 8: Experienced guy again, another guy who played some inside placed
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: him outside. I think he just offers some versatility the guys.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Anybody else do you guys know Josh Newton's a good shout.
• 16:42
  Speaker 9: I watched him live at at that game that I
• 16:45
  Speaker 9: keep getting to reference somehow because we keep doing this
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: on purpose.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: You should have expensed that whole thing.
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah right, I mean I should have been clocked in.
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: I mean, come on, yeah, No, he's a good player.
• 16:54
  Speaker 9: Maybe a little bit, you know, he needs to add
• 16:56
  Speaker 9: some place rank I would say to his game, but
• 16:58
  Speaker 9: I could see them. Look, Maximuntain's a good poll to
• 17:02
  Speaker 9: really good slot corner, I think as well. I mentioned
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: all these slot corners, him, Sandstrill. You know, those guys
• 17:07
  Speaker 9: definitely all fit that same bill. Aggressive players that can tackle,
• 17:11
  Speaker 9: play at the point of attack and the run game
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: and and then cover. So I think all these guys
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: can can do a lot of different things.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I also like DJ James from Auburn and Kaylen Carson
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: from wake Forest, you know, very good tacklers, which with
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: the potential rule change, will see how much that affects. Yeah,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: exactly amazing.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: It was like, what is that?
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: But maybe somebody in the later rounds just be you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: not an instant day one starter, but somebody you can
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: develop on the back end.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think we're all, you know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: kind of on the same page.
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's a later it's a day late, day
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: two at best, probably day three kind of position. Let's
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: move over to the safety group though, we're again like
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: in the gene kind of you know, a little bit
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: of a safety potential. But you know, just looking at
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: what the Patriots have. And as we were recording Patriots
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: Unfiltered previous to this, they just signed Aalen Hawkins as well,
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: so another you know, strong safety type.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: They sure have a type. So that leads me to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: continue to kind of pursue free safety types.
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: And you know, ballhawk guys. Maybe they don't have the
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: biggest size, but they've got the range. I'm just gonna
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: throw off the top. Cameron Kitchens from Miami, who I know.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I think you got to look at him.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: Up close, right, Evan, Just I think for me, probably
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: gonna go too soon before the Patriots would actually want
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: to select him. But to me, that's one player that
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: you put him in, he would probably fit this rotation
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: pretty good.
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he's one of the only defensive players
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: that I look at that I would say if they
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: took Cam Kitchens with an early pick, I wouldn't completely riot, Like.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: You know, I think I think a little bit there.
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: There's some other guys that I would maybe fit that bill.
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: But to me, if the Patriots touch a defensive player
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: before the sixty eighth pick in the draft, and we're
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: doing something wrong. But Cam Kitchens is one of those
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: guys that I think can definitely play that center field role.
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: And he didn't test very well at the combine and
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: that's going to be the knock on him. But in
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: a lot of ways, his combine and his whole just
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: precic projection profile reminds me a lot of Brian Branch
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: where you know, he didn't test very well either, but
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: he's just a dog like, he's just a football player
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: and you're gonna put him out there and you know
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: that he's gonna play football well, but maybe not be
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: an Olympian Like I don't really care, right, So Cam
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: Kitchen's definitely on the board for sure for the Patriots. Also,
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: Lonzo high Smith connection with him, so I think that
• 19:22
  Speaker 9: there's a lot to like about him and you put
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: him back there at the perch in center field, and
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: then you have Dugger in the box and Pepper's you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: over the nickel or whatever. Now you're now you got
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: a complete secondary. Everybody's got a home that makes sense.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: You got Chris, you got some safeties for us.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: The only one that jumped out me was Kaylen Bullock,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: other center fielder. He's I mean, he's a solid guy.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Couldn't cover three, cover one. Uh, you know, you just
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: need a guy then kind of oversee things in that defense.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I think you know that was sort of a Dugger.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Role every place, trying to knock the ball out, which
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is unreal.
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he's We were talking to Jordan Reed at
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: the combine about this and I said, who are the
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: center fiel in this draft and he said, Cam Kitchens
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: is tier one and then Bullet from USC is tier two.
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: So he's definitely some of one of those players that
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: flashes on film that sideline the sideline ability from center field.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: So the two things, first of all, love Javon Bullard
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: from Georgia. I mean, that guy's a beast.
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: That guy's gonna kill somebody on the field, and.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: That's what you want with your safety. And he's going
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: to be against the best of the best in the SEC.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: But also want to talk about its kind of interesting
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: how this year there were so many like high end
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: safeties just on the free agent market. So it's really
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: going to make you wonder how these teams value drafting
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: one of these players in this position because it's kind
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: of the running back of the defense almost of some
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: of the hits these guys take.
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: So yeah, it's interesting how the Patriots seemed to zig
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: in that category. They seem to still value safeties Lester
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: to the league not so much, and you know they're
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: willing to transition Tag Dugger and you know stuff like that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: So the last one that I would I would mention
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: is from Utah, who another guy that can play multiple.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Run positions and play some running back.
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: I play both sides of the ball, play special teams,
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: plays deep safety, play strong safety. So if there's any
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: Belichick still in that that draft room, I'm telling you
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: that that Vika is going to be high on their
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: board and a lot of teams at the combine, I
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: think at his pro day he's going to have asked
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: him to work out at running back and do some
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: running back drills as well, so they see him as
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: somebody that can play both sides of the ball and
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: that that screams Patriots.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: So it is if it still goes up, just I'll
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: throw up a couple and you know, Jalen Simpson's a guy,
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: a later guy, feel like they could potentially be that
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: free saft. He's just really small and I want to
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: like him more than I do, but I threw him
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: in there. Last one I would just say is Tyler
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: Rowans from Texas Tech, who's a low experienced kind of
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: guy only at twelve starts, but a plus special teams
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: kind of a guy, hard hitter, you know, just kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: of like we're looking day three here, we're looking for
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: developmental guys who can play special teams. There were just
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: a couple that kind of jumped out at me and
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: anybody else. You guys got share.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I had new been one of the top ones just
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: as a ball hawk, but I don't think that he's
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: gonna be in Foxboro anytime soon.
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: So yeah, he seems to be the consensus number one
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: safety now that Kitchens didn't have a great combine, But
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: I'm still on the Kitchens bandwagon. I don't want to
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: overreact the film is too good to just sit there
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: and say that because he had a bad day in
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: Indy that he's not.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: A good player.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: So those are the two guys that are probably gonna
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: be near the top of the safety class. But no,
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: there's no Antoine Winfield Junior. There's no you know, top
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: dog in this safety class. I wouldn't say that was
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: a consensus, you know, first round type of guy.
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: All right, well, that's gonna do it for our defensive
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: back segment. And now we're gonna switch to a bigger
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: picture thing, which I had a chance to talk with
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL notework, really getting a breakdown
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: of all the Patriots draft needs, what they're gonna do
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: with three, the trade down possibilities, late round fits. Went
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: through all that with DJ and check that out now.
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: All right, so excited to be joined by Daniel Jeremiah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: Now DJ, Patriots sitting at three. Overall, it seems like
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: we're kind of I know you took Jayden Daniels in
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: your latest mock draft. Everybody I think is kind of
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: accepted Drake may or jay and Daniels. That seems like
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: the most popular pick. Just what do you see in
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: those two. What could fans here expect if if you
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: were to drop one of those guys. Do you think
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: they're ready to come in and play right away? Do
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: you think they have to sit?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I think they could both come in and play. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: think for sure, let's start with Jayden Daniels, and let's
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: start with that one. He's started a zillion games, started
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: fifty plus games in college. He's older, he's mature, he's
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: been through adversity, so you know, those are the things
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: you kind of look at when you're you know, okay,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: this guy can be able to survive some of these
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: these speed bumps along their way here, I think he
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: would be fine. I think also with him the athleticism
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: to be able to buy time and as he gets
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: more comfortable in the passing game that they're going to
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: deploy there. I think you've you've got ways to generate
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: offense as he's still gonna, you know, even though he's
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: played a lot of college games, learn how to read
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: NFL defenses and get adjusted there. I think his legs
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: by him some time, so I think you could absolutely
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: get him out there. You know what you like about him, look,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the accuracy, especially over the top He's got unbelievable touch.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: He played with confidence this year. I mean they would
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: so many slot fades that they hit. They were just
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: you know, one after another after another, perfect over the
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: shoulder throws. And then when things aren't there, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: he can go make things happen with his legs. So
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that's him as a player. Why I think he'd be
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: fine going right into the mix.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: Drake.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: May you know prototype you get the big physical athletic dude,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: who can you know? To me, he can make every
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: type of throw. And I mean that not just like
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: velocity wise, he has the arm strength to do that.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I mean you'll see him layer the ball, He'll take,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: take some some steam off the ball, touch it up.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: He can get those over underthrows going. He got into
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: some bad habits this year, some pressure. He's drifting away,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: a little bit better job of getting his feet set.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: But I don't think I've seen anything from him, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I don't believe I've seen anything from him that would say, Okay,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: this guy really needs a lot of time. There's some
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: things to work on, some things to clean up. But again,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: another realm mentally and physically tough kid.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: So if we don't take a quarterback there.
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: You know, everybody's kind of considering do they trade down,
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: and it's I think it's a you know, with the
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: whole at tackle, at receiver.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, these classes are loaded at both those positions.
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you trade down, though, it's just it's
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: hard to see where they're picking thirty four those tackles
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: are gonna kind of go. It feels like, you know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: even some of the receivers. I know that it's a
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: deep class, but what do you see maybe be a
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: package that the Patriots will consider to trade down with,
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: and you know what, it makes sense maybe for them
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: to try to hit that tackle class near the top
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: or or some of those receivers.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of different scenarios you can kick around.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to potentially go that far.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the Giants as a
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: team that's been mentioned as a quarterback team, whoever their
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: guy is, that could be something where if you're you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: if you're the Patriots, you're like, you know, we really
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: like four quarterbacks, but we also have these other needs
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: that you mentioned. If we were to go to six,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: there's a chance, you know, there's there's a you know
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: there's a chance maybe the fourth quarterback is there. If not,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: you have to be comfortable with the fact of, Okay,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: well I'm gonna get you know, I might have a
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: chance to get the best offensive tackle in the draft,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: or I can get one of the top two wide
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: receivers in this draft. That's that, you know, that's option
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: while picking up all these other resources to fill some
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of these holes. So that would one that would be
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: intriguing to me. I think everybody's mentioned the Vikings as
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: a team that would, you know, love to move up.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: They acquired that second first round pick from Houston to
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: be able to go do that. So eleven, you're gonna
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: miss out on top three wide outs they're gone. You're
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: gonna probably miss out in the first two, maybe even
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: three tackles. So yeah, that one I would I mean
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to me, it's sticking pick is the smartest thing to do.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: And if for some reason you are going to trade down,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I would want to go beyond six.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: If I was New England.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: You mentioned four quarterbacks. JJ McCarthy kind of you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: getting a little buzz about him. Why do you think
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: that is? What about him? Is his kind of made
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: him rise here after the combine, Well.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I think there's you know, a lot of times we
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: talk about guys rising, guys haven't had a chance to
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: do him yet. And I think he wasn't one of
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: those name brand players that people assume would come out
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: this year over last offseason. So if you're a decision
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: maker on personnel side, you probably hadn't watched him over
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the summer, and then you get to this year, You've
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: got your whole host of candidates for quarterbacks with the
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: assumption is he's probably going to go back to school.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: If you're loosely following it, you're like, yeah, he's not
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: posting really big numbers, so he's maybe, you know, kind
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: of hiding in playing sight on the number one team
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: in the country. But I think once the season ended,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: he declares, I think then people had a chance.
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: To go back through. It takes a while.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I was talking about this somebody the other day. It takes
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a while to get comfortable with him. It's like an
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: acquired taste where you know, you watch a game, you
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: watch another game like, Okay, I don't know, has he
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: done much here. I've saw a couple of good throws,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: But then when you piece the whole thing together, specifically
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: when you do the cutups, when you watch like every
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: third and seven plus throw and you okay, this is
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: this is where you're facing challenging defenses that no, you're
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: going to throw the football and you see him, he deals.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: He his third and seven reel is good or better
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: than any quarterback in this draft class. So that's why
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I think it took a little time. It wasn't just
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: a cut and dry, easy evaluation.
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: I mentioned kind of the three big needs quarterback, tackle,
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: wide receiver. It just seems hard to get all three.
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: Patriots just signed kJ Osbourne. You know they have some
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: depth there. They got nine receivers on the ross. I
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: think what's really lacking is an outside threat. And I
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: guess the question really is if you don't get a
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: receiver there in Day one, a d Mitchell, those kind
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: of guys late first maybe that you'd have to trade
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: back up for. Are there any fits you maybe see
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: that could be that developmental outside guy that you could
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: get in the second, third round kind of moving.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Forward, There's a ton of wideouts when you go through
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: this draft, and I think it's been that way for
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: really the last several drafts.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: It's just what the college game has given you.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So you know, you talk about a pick at thirty four,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: top of the second round. You know, one of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: guys who's who's you know, got a lot of love
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: around the league is pearsall from Florida, and he's somebody
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: who could play inside, could play outside, could do a
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: lot of different things there. Troy Franklin would give him
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a speed merchant on the outside there from Oregon who's
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: a little lean, but he has a lot of juice,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of explosiveness. But I mean, we could literally
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: go through the entire every round of the draft and
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I can give you three names that are going to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: be there. It's just there's a million of them. So
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and that's one of the things that I'm struggling with
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: forecast in this first top ten is yes, I have
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: three receivers the top five players in this draft class.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there going like, gosh, I wouldn't want
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: to pass one of these three guys. But then I'm like, yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: you could wait until the second, third, fourth round and
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: they're still starting caliber players there. Whereas you know, tackles,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: even though it's a deep group, you know, historically here
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: they're gone. At the end of the first round, you're
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: it's hard to find starting tackles. They're just not going
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: to be there. So that's why to me, that informs
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: the decision a little bit and you go, Okay, maybe
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I have this receiver a little bit over this tackle
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: or maybe a little bit over this, you know, edge
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: rusher or receiver. When you look at the receivers with
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: versus EDG dreshers and tackles, it's like, man, I can
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: get receivers anywhere. So that'll be fascinating.
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: Just generally, do you what do you feel like when
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: we get into Day three, late day two, Day three,
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: where where's the value there?
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: What are the position groups?
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: You feel like a have that depth that I mean,
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: you know, regardless of needs, just the what are the
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: strongest positions there in the Day three Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I've I think there's corners. I think it's a good
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: group of Day three corners. I also think the running
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: backs are all going to get pushed down. We don't
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: have a lot of separation there. You know, one team's
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: top running back might be another team's eight rink running back.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: It's just there's a clump of them. So you don't
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: see them going the first round. There's a chance we
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: potentially don't even see one go in the second round.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: And then now I think you see a run in
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: the third, and then I think even to early on
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Day three, that fourth, fifth round, I think there's a
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: good number of backs and that's kind of the sweet
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: spot for him in this draft. So corners, running backs,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: those would be the two.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: To me. I think once you get in day three,
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: I think you can get starters.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: So last question one for you just obviously turnover this year,
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: major turnover at the coaching position, Alex van Pelt coming
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: in as the offensive coordinator, Drop Mayo head coach, game
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: plan defense. They've always been pretty flexible on that side
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: of the ball. Just overall, any fits that you see,
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: I know the Patriots are evolving, we don't know for
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: sure what they're gonna do, but assuming they kind of
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: stick in real at least defensively what we've seen from
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: Van Pelt, any guys out there that you think are kind.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: Of fit from an offensive standpoint.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, either side of the ball, offense or defense.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I mean to me, I know that obviously Bill's not there,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: but I think defensively, I don't really see anything changing.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're always you know, I think that's ingrained
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: in their culture and who they are. They're going to
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: value you know, smart, tough, vers little players. I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: they're maybe trying to get a little little faster, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to me, you can do that not only you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: we think about the secondary. I think again just linebackers.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Just get more speed, as much speed as you can
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: get out there on the field, and then offensively, the
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: identity to me is going to be about, Okay, is
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: are we going to stick and pick? If it's the
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: third guy, uh is going to be a quarterback? Then
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to me, I think, you know, I think I like
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the fact of bringing Hunter back to me, I have
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: a young quarterback.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: I want easy completions.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: So even though we would like a big, a big
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: guy in the outside of flyer, I think it'd almost
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: be more valuable just adding quickness and guys that can
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: uncover and guys that can run after the catch and
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: try and take some of that off of this guy
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: who you know, you've got a bridge quarterback in place
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to go out there week one.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: But I would imagine if they stick and pick, we're
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: going to see that guy student later.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Awesome, DJ, thanks so much for the time. Really appreciate it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: Hey, no problem, good to catch up.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: All right, guys, we had a good show there. Defensive backs,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: all good stuff. Next week we're gonna we're gonna wrap
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: up the defensive side of the ball, focus on the
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: front seven. Then we get to get into the offense
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: and all the good stuff that everybody's looking for. So,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: once again, thank you for tuning in to the Patriots
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Draft countdown.