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Talks to Jason Thompson about his choice of Evil of the Daleks (5/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. I'm Jason Thompson, and I'm here
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  with the, I've run out of superlatives at this point.
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  Joe, I'm here would be shaking his head at me.
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  Okay, I'm here with the pretty out of region.
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  Okay, Joe Ford there he seems happy with that.
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  So I'll take it superlative, I usually come out with that
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  bollocks. How you doing today?
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  I'm doing? I'm awake your present.
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  Yeah I'm here. That's about as much as I can.
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  I can admit to it the moment. Sir.
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  What why are we here? We are here to discuss the evil
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  of the Daleks specifically episode 5 of the evil of the
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  Daleks. We've had a weird and wonderful
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  imaginations of the Daleks that have involved Jamie trying to
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  rescue a girl. And he seems to have finally
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  reached where she's being held prisoner, except a Dalek is
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  emerging. Jason may I ask you a personal
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  question. Well, I don't see how I can stop
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  you asking, it's doing a three and a half or three ish, our
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  country. It's your tough because you
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  know, like sometimes, you know, you immediately, how long that
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  Darlin last plan one ended up being about eight hours, I think
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  it was long. It was now I think it was that
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  Six and a half hours or something like that.
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  But it's very easy to say everything that's one and two
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  and I have nothing left to say to us the end.
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  It possibly is if anyone is listening and thinks we're
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  repeating ourselves tough, frankly that me out, you know,
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  it's easy to cram everything into the first couple episodes
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  and then realize you got nothing left to say.
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  But somehow we manage 12 episodes of master plan, so I'm
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  sure we can do seven of With the joy of this one is it's all a
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  transmogrifies as it goes along, doesn't it?
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  So suddenly you're touching base with different time periods
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  different sets of characters. So there's kind of always
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  something to say. Yeah, it's not six episodes in
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  the same seven episodes in the same place we've been to.
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  We've been in 1966. We're now in 1866 and we're
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  going to be heading off to skaro later, so an unspecified year?
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  Yeah. That's never actually
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  determined. Is it whenever we hit this car?
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  Oh no. There's certainly some
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  supposedly some time travel involved in it but we don't know
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  exactly. When on skaro we are so you said
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  to me in episode 2, the remember this time machine.
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  All right? Because if we don't we don't we
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  forget about it now for a little while but it becomes important.
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  Again, later on. We ain't seen it since no.
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  We haven't seen it since part 2 and we're not going to see it.
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  This episode either. Wow, okay.
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  Well I'm I know that anything about episode 5 so I thought we
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  should jump in and have a look and see what it's got to offer.
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  Let's do that. Oh let's do just that indeed.
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  Who's can't listen I'll be okay. You I 4 3 2 1 if we pop please
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  start, please start it started. Thank you watching in black and
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  white. I am.
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  Yes, I enjoyed the color animation, the color and wide
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  screen animation. I especially enjoyed it on the
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  big screen with some great people.
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  What, what a day that was? Hmm.
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  I was that was, that was fantastic.
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  That was my first BFI event and I've been to every one of the
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  Doctor Who Wants since the live reaction from that because it's
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  fairly big, isn't it? That's animal.
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  Hmm. Is other hand I can pack in.
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  That's a couple of hundred at least.
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  East, I would think so. Yeah.
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  And and you sort of when the gags here and everyone's
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  laughing, I don't know, this is something like it's confirmation
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  bias, isn't it? You love this show and the fact
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  that you're surrounded by all these people that love the show
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  as well. Yeah, you should tingles it
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  does. It's a whole new way of watching
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  Doctor Who, which I've not really experienced before.
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  Normally I watch Doctor Who on my own or with Zoe at home.
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  Of course and I did in the early years of my fandom I did take
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  part in a doctor who Club at school with about a dozen of us
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  would sit and watch it. And that was, that was fun.
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  But yeah, sitting and watching it with friends, but then on the
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  big screen with loads of other fans is just amazing, amazing
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  experience. So you know, I'll I'm going to
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  in an earlier episode, you know, you managed to make a point by
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  referring to a point though. Made in an earlier episode of
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  hamster, a blunt penknife and now I'm going to do it exactly
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  the same thing, but it was a point that was made by you.
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  And that was when we did the surround go conundrum and you
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  were talking about fandom responding to new episodes of
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  Doctor Who, and how there is weight of expectation of
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  everything to be. Absolutely.
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  Bloody amazing. And of course it isn't.
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  And so then suddenly there's a massive backlash or the joy of
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  watching evil that Daleks is, is we all know this story.
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  So there's no expectation about how good this story's gonna be.
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  We know it completely. So we're all going in knowing
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  exactly every fucking plot twist.
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  Probably every line you said, you could bash out the script
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  earlier the thing I might hold you to that later but you know
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  what I mean? Like there is no massive
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  expectation in what. So it's kind of like a safe way
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  to experience it with other people.
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  I do know what you mean, although I am going to
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  contradict you slightly because I dunno I do know from what I've
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  seen on Twitter and what I've got from talking to people that
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  several of the people who go to these events.
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  Haven't seen these stories before.
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  I know, there were people in every one of them who their
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  first time seeing that story so and it's great as a name and
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  shame. These people I don't think I
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  will know so but I do remember, I might have I was concerned
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  when we Did the sea Devils because I had said how great it
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  was to a couple of people who've never seen it before.
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  So afterwards, I went up to him and I said did you enjoy it or
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  am I in trouble? These people that are coming
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  from the new series to the Classic Series.
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  Yeah so as a you know, by this point, I've been a fan of Doctor
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  Who for 30-something little allam years.
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  I've seen excellent use of your bottom lip there.
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  Yeah, I've seen or heard every episode of classic Who multiple
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  This point and I know most of it backwards, you know, I can bash
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  out all the story titles in order, the individual episodes
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  from the William Hartnell era in order.
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  And I can tell you the plot of any of the given stories.
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  And, you know, it's it's great. And it's, I love going to these
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  events knowing that there are people who haven't seen these
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  stories that I'm so familiar with and it's always great to
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  get people's reactions to them whether they like them or not.
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  It's just nice to know that. There are people who are still
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  coming to the series. Now, And it discoveries, it's in
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  the sort of the debate as well, isn't it?
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  It's fresh voices coming in with fresh opinions and a lot of
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  these people are people have been brought up on Modern
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  television, don't like watching. This know, this isn't cranky,
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  but you know what I mean? When I say it's not cranky old
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  black and white TV. No, I know exactly what you
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  mean, and, you know, it's too, you know, some of these people
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  were, were not born before the classic series finished.
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  Some of these people were Some of these people came to it and,
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  you know, watching the Christmas Invasion at the age of three or
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  something like that and getting into it that way, and it's just
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  it's great. I love it.
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  And I really Envy these guys, the gold that they still have to
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  discover. And Curious as to whether they
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  watch some of the things that generally speaking a held in
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  lower regard and what they think of them when they get for them.
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  So when I first met phrase re still had a list of about ten
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  stories that you've never seen in, Underworld was on that list,
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  then he went and washed underworld and he went well, how
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  was pretty good what's everyone going on about?
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  You know Marjorie has got he's got a thing about defending
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  turkeys, though. That Fraser well, I hope you're
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  not referring to the Dominator turkey.
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  I love the dominators I was undisclosed, but you can see the
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  world and the world for me was just that it wasn't the CSO sets
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  that were the problem for me with underworld.
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  It's the fact that after episode 1, I found it boring.
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  My God, the Imagine coming to evil of the Daleks.
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  I watching this animation and this weird and wacky and scary
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  and suspenseful and funny and beautiful.
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  Awfully acted Story coming to life before your eyes will be my
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  God. I'd love I, in a way, I almost
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  want my memory wiped, so I can go back and experience it all
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  again, and that's a stupid thing to say, no, not at all.
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  I would love to come to some of this stuff new, but you say
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  that, Dave Rennie asks, has animating the story deepened,
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  its classic status or has it made us realize?
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  It's not as good as we thought. I certainly didn't have that
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  effect on me the latter. It, it isn't deep in it because
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  II thought it was great. I thought the animation was
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  great so I still think it's great.
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  Yeah, I say the same. I was already pretty much in
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  love with this story but I'm not blind to its faults.
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  But I don't think the fact that it's an animated has changed
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  that because those faults aren't visual their slot which is
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  basically already Apparent from the audio.
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  So but like, you know, like a lot of Doctor Who stories.
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  If you saw pull a thread, the whole bloody thing is going to
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  unravel. But seam to seam, I think this
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  is pretty peerless. This sequence now where is
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  hypnotizing? Molly the sound effects and the
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  music and everything, it's just it's hypnotic, it's great.
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  It is yeah. And Mariah scoring has a
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  gorgeous voice. Hey gasps, you're worried like
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  you said absolutely inspired by a casting and you know, as much
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  as I think he's a raving madman with a bizarre motivation.
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  He acts it excellently. Oh he does.
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  Absolutely. And there's a certain thing I
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  said in episode two This is an absolutely amazing piece of
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  casting because Maria scoring was such a well-known film and
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  TV star and said founding member of equity and all that sort of
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  thing. So this was this was big casting
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  for Doctor Who in the 60s and what you've got here is you've
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  got sort of absolutely reliable our hands like him and obviously
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  younger newer fresher Talent like the woman who plays Molly,
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  yes, which it falls high for people like that.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a z-plasty
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  cop. So I know it's a couple times
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  but I will not stop saying it because it's true.
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  It's brilliantly, cast this story.
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  Really is I don't think anyone drops the ball at all.
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  I think they all know that they're doing something amazing.
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  Might be the last, you know, that fellow that comes in and
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  does the Dalek Emperor voice. Ask it if I Skelton.
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  Yeah, I could not detect Zippy there at all.
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  No, one of the rare occasions when you can tell it's him.
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  Doing the dark Falls has encountered heavy resistance.
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  You can hear it quite a bit sometimes sometimes you can
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  definitely but yeah, Mariah scoring.
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  I mean, Mariah scoring is what he doesn't get mentioned in the
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  same way but if you watch this story, he makes as many flow.
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  See these lines as William Hartnell ever did.
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  Yeah. But no one ever picks up on
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  those. He called water-filled
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  Whitefield in one of them in one episode.
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  No, I one is enough sir. So, you know, Fair dues and, but
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  it's because it's sort of holding a bit bumbling as well.
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  Really? So I feel like, heart know.
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  Yeah, well, but as I've said before, when defending William
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  Hartnell one is, and the fluffs that he makes, it everyone makes
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  fluffs. That's that's natural dialogue.
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  We all say things slightly wrong.
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  So I think we both dunelm today's recording at one point,
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  you know? I'm sure we have.
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  Yes, I'm sure we will continue to do so terrible actors, it
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  just means we're tired. Okay.
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  I'll pour off as hell. Is this where he's sending him
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  off now? Yeah.
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  Okay, you're look. You've stole the plot for an
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  episode. Now you can bugger off, but he
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  sending him to a secret passage that leads into the room that
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  Victoria is in to grab Victoria because so you still have been
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  rescue akane, Victoria. Actually rescued yet.
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  Okay, I'll tell you a story about Deborah Watling because
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  she tells wonderful stories about.
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  I'm a doctor who I am. I mean, whatever I think of her
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  as an actress she is she's very entertaining to listen to and
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  she's not coming which documentary is.
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  I think it's somewhere on the what was the set?
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  They did lost in time when they put all the missing bits
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  together. She's going.
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  Well, you know, they're asking me to say, oh, no.
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  Oh, Jamie. Oh, help lower.
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  That she's kind of, sorry. I did that.
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  I did that. And then, you know, they're
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  making me scream and scream at dialects and so I did that.
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  Yeah. And then you, I don't Jamie came
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  in this Wars film, its walls filled.
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  I'm here to rescue you. You know, quick up your passage.
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  Well, I'm sorry. I'll just fill about, I couldn't
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  handle it anymore. You gotta remember, I don't have
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  is a different character. This is the ear of the Avenger
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  girls in it. Hmm.
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  Yeah. Is the doctor with his human
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  factor capsules and the three dialects in packing cases.
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  For some reason, I wonder where this is gonna go.
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  Okay, well, because it's gonna hit fairly soon or quite yet,
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  but fairly soon. Is this the way that you know
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  what? Yeah, where they come out.
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  And they are the playful. Childish, doctor Daleks, he says
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  the weirdest Dalek seen in the series entire arm.
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  Oh, I think so but inspired and Brilliant at the same time
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  because it is so out of left field, you do not see it coming,
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  so it makes for one of the best Cliffhangers I think certainly
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  in this cereal, if not in the series, as a whole see there.
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  And it does it kind of add some weight to what we've been
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  through in the last episode, doesn't it sort of extract all
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  of those good and playful impulses?
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  So there was a reason for the all alone.
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  Those set pieces in episode 4. Hmm.
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  It is a bit weird, though. That Dalek that just said, oh,
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  you finished have you right? Okay, well, just let us know
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  when you're done and he clears off.
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  So that none of the actual Daleks, the ordinary, Dalek
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  Daleks actually see what happens to these three human factor
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  Daleks at all, which is rather bizarre.
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  Because here's a fact that would give away the climax to them,
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  you know, on the store all trousers vicious here isn't it?
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  He says it was too late. You know the second you stole my
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  Tardis and you know got me on the center of all this the
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  second doctor here is the probably the least clownish.
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  We've Seen him. Yeah, I'm probably the least
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  clownish. We will ever see in this story,
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  I love it when the lad drops away though, because he's so
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  good at the comedy. When he's really serious acting
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  in that pit in web of fear, where he suddenly talking about
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  the great intelligence right up to the camera.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  He's he's brilliant, he's trout. And yeah.
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  Someone think Twitter. Let's have a look on the Twitter
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  while we're on this subject. Deb Jones says love this one.
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  Can't decide if the doctor is being his most human almost
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  alien. IE his so easily.
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  Throwing Jamie under the bus in particular.
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  That's a good question, is I say most alien I think Jamie doesn't
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  quite like there, whatever connection there is between
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  them, it's sort of severed here. It is, and it has to be rebuilt
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  in the later episodes. And it's almost like David
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  Whittaker is writing the doctor more as the first and the
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  second, mmm, going back to the original.
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  The very original time when we weren't sure about the doctor,
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  he wasn't unequivocally, the good guy and the hero and he was
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  And I spiky in a bit dismissive of his human Companions and yeah
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  it is something they lean into it because iím not long ago.
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  Did a commentary on Tomb of the Cybermen where the second doctor
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  make some very questionable choices.
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  Oh, very much so. Yeah, that's that's another one
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  of those stories. It's a bit like this one, in
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  some respects in, it's great but the plot makes no sense
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  whatsoever. But the set pieces and the
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  acting kind of make up for that, but he's entirely responsible.
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  Full for the one getting in the tombs.
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  So, getting into the base and then to get down into the tombs,
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  I'm not so, okay. So everyone's murdering the
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  story is on your, on your hands, you know?
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  Well, you say that, but, you know, once you figured out the
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  Cybermen were there, if he'd left them, perhaps they have
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  figured it out themselves and ended up allowing the Cybermen
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  to emerge. So, I kind of like it you know I
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  kind of like it when he's a bit mysterious and unknowable and
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  his motives are bit muddy. Oh, I love it when the doctors
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  like that, and I like it when he's got a bigger motivation
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  than just the people. He's with like when he's for
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  example, in the silurians and the Sea Devils, when he's more
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  interested in sorting out the piece then, actually, dealing
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  with the humans. Yeah.
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  And you know, things like that. But in her mom, you're in a
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  secret passage to over that bit in the war games.
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  Where it appears. I think we're ever convinced
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  that the doctors gone over to the other side and sold out all
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  of his friends. I don't think that was ever a
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  moment that was convincing as that I don't think we could ever
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  believe that because we already knew that the aliens are
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  planning to drop a bomb. And so he was just going to have
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  to get them there because that's the only thing he could do.
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  I don't think we were ever can be.
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  No. Does that more convincingly
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  Chase? Sin is Pertwee in Clause of
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  axles. What?
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  He's such a bastard to everyone and he goes well, goodbye Joe.
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  I'll miss you and then he just throws a look at the Brigadier
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  guts up for the master hope. Here we got Jamie having a sword
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  fight with Arthur Terrell. Which they didn't do too bad, a
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  job on the animation on these on these fight scenes, really.
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  And this would have been over budget for this story in 11, a
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  lot of sets if they're following the animation to what was in the
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  story. Hmm, and the really detailed as
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  well. The, the backgrounds on this
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  okay, so we have a little fight and then we'll get rid of Terror
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  because Yes. I do like it when he's the
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  muscle, you know, and are not talking for kinky reasons.
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  I just think I know exactly why is there a was?
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  He was a warrior, wasn't he was a fire.
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  He was, he gets a really good fight scene in the protons.
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  Oh yes. Well, filmed as well as well.
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  Yeah. This bit was took me a while,
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  but I suddenly realized how hard this was Ruth and Molly have
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  running and Ruth says, oh go and fetch the doctor.
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  Ruth hasn't actually spoken to the doctor at all in this story.
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  So why would she automatically assume that?
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  The doctor should be the one that Molly goes to fetch?
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  We have to assume they've had an off-screen conversation.
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  I think we must all this is right and then the doctor says,
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  doesn't it right? Gasps it gather your stuff.
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  Get out of here? Yes, it's not the whole house
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  blown up, it does. Get blown up later on.
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  Yes. Yeah, that's a bit extreme,
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  isn't it? As Daleks their scorched-earth
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  policy, you know? Yeah.
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  Definitely. But no, I like this.
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  I like this sequence with the doctor who comes in and just
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  says, do you want to save this man's life, right?
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  Then get him away. Do what I say?
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  Yeah. but essentially it's just been fucking about with all the
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  Terrell just to just to do it, you know, like Yeah, it's all of
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  it. It's all a bit weird.
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  The whole Alpha Terrell subplot is one and it is it Max of all
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  doing it? Not just the Daleks isn't it?
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  Because when you hear that song, Help, hey you in the ground?
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  Yeah. Yeah, strange very strange.
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  Is a bit, it's a bit odd, but never mind.
• 22:41
  China, One thing that is very strange to in a commentary on
• 22:43
  this is not hearing the music. I'm so used to the music in this
• 22:47
  story. It really does add an extra
• 22:51
  layer of Brilliance to this story.
• 22:53
  That music is superb on these. You can't hear that, wonderful
• 22:57
  little da, dun, dun dun, and there goes out of the house and
• 23:05
  out of the story altogether and now, some more Attention between
• 23:09
  the doctor and Jamie. Yeah.
• 23:13
  Now, randomly Victoria is somehow unconscious in the
• 23:16
  laboratory with that glassware, still bubbling away.
• 23:22
  Look, Lex has a closed now. No, not just yet.
• 23:36
  It's a bit over there. That's why they of over the
• 23:39
  black characters in the 60s. Is it the camels death is
• 23:45
  actually the one of the clumsiest I think when we will
• 23:48
  talk about that when we get there but it's just it's almost
• 23:51
  an afterthought. So like totem is deaf in Tomb of
• 23:57
  the Cybermen is unfortunate, but at least like there's a plot
• 24:03
  purpose behind it, you know, he and he gets sort of the hero
• 24:06
  moment. Yeah.
• 24:11
  Yeah, there we go. Off we go Victoria and camel,
• 24:14
  and a Dalek going through the Hall of Mirrors.
• 24:16
  So I have to start really lay there, heading to skaro.
• 24:20
  That's when Jamie having a bit of a Barney now, Yeah, we see we
• 24:26
  thought we talked about this earlier.
• 24:27
  I wouldn't mind a little bit more of this though a little bit
• 24:30
  by. Oh my God.
• 24:31
  You know, we get a lot of that with Davison and adric and it
• 24:34
  gets really tedious. I think it all depends on how
• 24:38
  you how it's written in. This is one of the most Probably
• 24:45
  in the classic series. Certainly this is one of the
• 24:47
  best written arguments disagreements between the
• 24:50
  companion and the doctor, what we don't go there very often do
• 24:56
  a we don't, I think you've got, you know, obviously there's some
• 25:00
  disagreements. I mean, there's Barbara's
• 25:02
  fantastic, tearing them off a strip in edge of Destruction
• 25:04
  which is Jesus. You Oughta get down on your
• 25:08
  hands and knees and back because I love that bit that's
• 25:11
  marvelous. You got Stevens.
• 25:14
  Discussed with the doctor for abandoning and sharply in the
• 25:17
  massacre, huh? God.
• 25:20
  Keep going, you're reminding me of all these amazing B.
• 25:23
  And you've got this, but I think after this, there's not so many
• 25:28
  disagreements that aren't just companions being petulant about
• 25:32
  not being taken home or You know, it's they don't seem to be
• 25:38
  quite the Hefty. Disagreements.
• 25:40
  Yeah. Well, I really like Ian's you
• 25:44
  old fool. You had to see the city in the
• 25:46
  dialects I really like I want as well.
• 25:52
  Okay, here we are the three Daleks have emerged Jamie's,
• 25:56
  appalled that they're coming alive in talk to ghosts.
• 25:58
  Don't worry Jamie their friends. Yeah.
• 26:04
  It's a good thing. He's very confident in his own
• 26:06
  plan here because it is yeah, this is, this is bizarre.
• 26:13
  Is but I thought I'm just The Voice work as well.
• 26:17
  Yeah, that's sort of Singsong voices that they have.
• 26:21
  I was taking him for a ride. Don't worry, Jerry, they're
• 26:28
  playing trains. Taking me for a ride.
• 26:33
  The one thing that is a bit odd about this Cliffhanger.
• 26:35
  I always thought, even when I heard the audio cassette is that
• 26:37
  it doesn't finish with we're taking.
• 26:39
  They're taking me for a ride. It smacks table going, a rather
• 26:41
  amusing, the whole Game, don't you think Jamie as far as rarest
• 26:46
  of things this it's upbeat Cliffhanger, mmm.
• 26:51
  But yeah, Daleks are playing games.
• 26:54
  What is going on? I know that that is a really off
• 27:00
  be ending but I don't use it is and I love it.
• 27:07
  Try to think of of another example.
• 27:11
  Where is a lot? Like I totally sort of deploy is
• 27:15
  hinging in a totally weird Direction and The Cliffhanger
• 27:20
  isn't a moment of danger or suspense.
• 27:23
  Yeah I should have I should have reviewed my Twitter fresh
• 27:27
  footage of time. I mean I suppose it's not quite
• 27:32
  to the same level but the gun Fires Episode 1 which ends on a
• 27:35
  massive soul. But then the doctor is about to
• 27:37
  walk into the bar and, you know, and his head blah.
• 27:40
  A standoff. Yeah, that's quite there.
• 27:43
  That's quite an old one. Well I thought well after I
• 27:47
  think between between episodes so I think we will.
• 27:50
  Yes, what let's just say is utterly unique.
• 27:54
  Oh definitely. Is it one of your favorite man
• 27:59
  of the Cliffhanger Twitter Fred. It is actually.
• 28:03
  Yeah. Is one of my favorites.
• 28:05
  What did you get this out in? I can't remember.
• 28:08
  I have to go back and really what between episodes.
• 28:12
  I'll go back and review my thread and see what I rated all
• 28:14
  the Cliffhangers for this story. Oh, I'm just going to say thank
• 28:17
  you very much for a second because I did ask you in our
• 28:20
  first recording. If you would please keep going
• 28:22
  with those Cliffhanger friends. And you have been so thank you
• 28:25
  very much. Yeah, I have indeed, I think I'm
• 28:27
  up to horror of fang Rock now. So I've got to go to listen.
• 28:32
  Bankers. In our of Iraq.
• 28:34
  I've locked it in here with us full.
• 28:36
  That's a terrible Cliffhanger. Oh, are you mad?
• 28:39
  Oh my God. This is literally, this is like
• 28:41
  having a live rat at your Twitter fridge.
• 28:45
  It's a terrible Cliffhanger. We know he's locked it in.
• 28:48
  This is just the doctor catching up.
• 28:50
  We might, first of all, we know that the creature in because
• 28:53
  we've seen it throughout the episode, secondly, if he's
• 28:56
  locked it from the inside, then no one's locked in.
• 28:59
  They can unlock the door and get out and thirdly at this.
• 29:02
  Point. We've also seen this creature,
• 29:03
  get out through a window and climb up the outside of the
• 29:06
  lighthouse. So, being locked in, is
• 29:08
  irrelevant guys. This is why those frayed is
• 29:11
  gold, all right, okay. That's quite a celebrated Cliff.
• 29:15
  Oh, you know, he is, but I think it's badly.
• 29:18
  I think it's badly misrepresented, Tom Baker, plays
• 29:21
  it superbly Cliffhangers that you absolutely adore.
• 29:25
  It will Savage him, but all those ones you think are a bit
• 29:28
  iffy. He's got a great reason for
• 29:29
  loving them. But the horror of fang, Rock
• 29:33
  episode 3, terrible, terrible Cliffhanger.
• 29:36
  Tell me you like the invisible enemy episode 1, where the
• 29:39
  doctors got that gun on Lila and he's going down the corridor.
• 29:42
  I do like that way on. Yes the image of the doctor
• 29:45
  pointing a gun at his command. Panties.
• 29:49
  Yeah, I like that one. Well, look after all this Cliff,
• 29:53
  I got Hulk. Let's see how this non
• 29:55
  Cliffhanger is resolved. Shall we?
• 29:57
  Let's do that. Okay, bang, okay.