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UK Column News Podcast 28th March 2025 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the twentieth of March twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK colum News
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  Speaker 1: and your host Mike Robinson, and joining me in the
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  Speaker 1: studio today is Patrick Henningson. Welcome to the program. Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: great to be with you, Mike, and by videolink, we
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  Speaker 1: have Mark Anderson Now later on or shortly, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking all things signal, but we're going to
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  Speaker 1: begin with Well, the Coalition of the Stupid is what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to call it, because Starmer was back in
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  Speaker 1: Paris yesterday for another meeting of the so called Coalition
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  Speaker 1: of the Willing. We're definitely calling it the stupid because
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  Speaker 1: they really are here. They are What is this, Patrick.
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  Speaker 2: This is Hasbro's new Action figure euro Action Figure set, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: So they don't look real, That's all I can say.
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  Speaker 1: No, indeed, they do not look real. Nice, Starmer said.
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  Speaker 1: It's now over two weeks since Ukraine agreed to an
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  Speaker 1: immediate thirty days cease far that offer is still unanswered.
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  Speaker 1: It's over a week since Putting agreed to an energy
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  Speaker 1: infrastructure seaes far. Since then, Russia has hit energy infrastructure
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  Speaker 1: sites across Ukraine, and he went on to claim that
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  Speaker 1: published readouts from both sides of the of the agreement
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  Speaker 1: confirmed that a naval seas far and prevention of use
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  Speaker 1: of commercial vehicles for military purposes in the Black Sea,
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  Speaker 1: that that was agreed, but that Russia immediately backtracked and
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  Speaker 1: placed conditions on the agreements despite good faith participation for Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: That's Starmer's position. So it's exactly as you said, Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: you know, over the last two or three weeks, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you offer an unworkable sease far and then shot see
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  Speaker 1: when Russia looks at the detail and doesn't quite like
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  Speaker 1: what it sees.
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  Speaker 2: The Israeli negotiation method. So it's good to know they've
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  Speaker 2: adopted that in London.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely well in Paris in this case. But just prior
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  Speaker 1: to the Coalition of the Stupid meeting, Starmer met with
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  Speaker 1: NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda. They discussed this is their
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  Speaker 1: readout on this ay, discuss they're enduring support for Ukraine,
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  Speaker 1: agreeing that Europe must do everything possible to keep them
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  Speaker 1: in the fight and keep the pressure up on Putin.
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  Speaker 1: They both acknowledged, apparently the vital role of the United
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  Speaker 1: States and forging a path towards the ceasefire agreement and
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  Speaker 1: reierated that Europe stands ready to support a durable and
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  Speaker 1: lasting piece when it comes. And he, of course Starmer
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  Speaker 1: restated his unwavering commitment to NATO, as quotes, the cornerstone
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  Speaker 1: of our security. So he was once again virtue signaling
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  Speaker 1: for European Defense Union, because that is the term that's
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  Speaker 1: used with that all the time. Anyway, at the Coalition
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  Speaker 1: of the Stupid meeting, Starmar presented the outcomes of the
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  Speaker 1: planning meetings that we were talking about there. He is
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  Speaker 1: with the illustrious Zelenski.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, great photography and marketing and public relations, so
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  Speaker 2: we really have to give it to the mic. It's
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  Speaker 2: like magazine quality, so I mean, forget about the substance
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  Speaker 2: of it, but the look of it, the packaging, it's excellent.
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  Speaker 2: So they're doing a great job on the pr side,
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  Speaker 2: but the substance I'm not so sure about.
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  Speaker 1: No and date, So, as I say, Starmer was presenting
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  Speaker 1: the outcomes of the planning meetings in support of Ukraine, which,
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  Speaker 1: as we were talking about on Wednesday, taking place at
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  Speaker 1: military operational Headquarters in Northwood. Over the last few days.
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  Speaker 1: The British regime described the planning meetings as intensive sessions.
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  Speaker 1: They apparently involved over two hundred military planners from countries
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  Speaker 1: across the globe, so that you know, they're very determined
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  Speaker 1: to try to tell us all that this is something
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  Speaker 1: which is widespread support from all kinds of countries.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think they by chance discussed the seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dead Ukrainian men who have been sacrificed at the
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  Speaker 2: altar of NATO and European vanity over the last three years.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that topic came up at all?
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  Speaker 1: Only in the context of the next seven hundred thousand, probably.
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  Speaker 2: The dire price that Ukraine and its population have paid
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  Speaker 2: because of NATO's proxy war against Russia. I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: that came up at all.
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  Speaker 1: No, probably not, But they did apparently spend their time
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  Speaker 1: looking in detail at the setup of any future boots
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  Speaker 1: on the ground in Ukraine. And I just want to
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  Speaker 1: sort of highlight this image also because you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the pr images. I mean, what, what what's this carpet here?
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  Speaker 2: It's just showing the out couture, as they say in France,
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  Speaker 2: oute couture of that's macron. In Brigitte's personal selection. When
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  Speaker 2: they revamped the it's it's the Elise Palace.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, so I guess.
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  Speaker 2: There wherever they are. But yeah, it's very with it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very contemporary. I like the I like the mix
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  Speaker 2: of Neoclassical, Baroque and contemporary. I think it's a nice balance.
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  Speaker 2: It's very It says a lot about modern France and
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  Speaker 2: that's what Macron wants to get that message across. So
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  Speaker 2: I like it. And the vase on the our place, Michael,
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  Speaker 2: look at that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if we just put that back up again for
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  Speaker 1: a second, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, that's just that's worth a few quids.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but I mean it's like play school, It's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kindergarten.
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  Speaker 2: It's just stupid. I mean, this is ridiculous. What are
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  Speaker 2: they trying to sell here. They're trying to is some
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  Speaker 2: like advanced European brain trust with Zi Lensky plugged in there.
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  Speaker 2: Somehow they're going to figure out how to defeat the
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  Speaker 2: Russians and how Ukraine's going to win this war. That's
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  Speaker 2: not going to happen. They're not talking about that either. No,
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  Speaker 2: they're saying when they're lasting peace, when it finally comes,
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  Speaker 2: What do they mean when Ukraine wins or all.
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  Speaker 1: The language from them is that they want to keep
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  Speaker 1: this thing going for as long as absolutely possible. And
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  Speaker 1: you know they are, I suspect, as we're probably going
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  Speaker 1: to see later on in the program, doing everything that
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  Speaker 1: they can to subvert any attempts at making some kind
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  Speaker 1: of proper peacedal here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, long term, low intensity conflict, most profitable.
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  Speaker 1: And most costly for you for that matter. Let's move on,
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  Speaker 1: Mark then to welcome you to the program and the
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  Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. What's going on with Trump and the Fed?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I recall during Trump's first term, I was at
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  Speaker 3: ann Arbor store and I picked up a newspaper and
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  Speaker 3: Trump did do his credit at that time make some
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  Speaker 3: overtures about reigning in the FED, at least to a degree. Now,
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  Speaker 3: this is a completely exclusive report that I'm about to
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  Speaker 3: give in the sense that the current Treasury Secretary, Scottvissent,
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  Speaker 3: and we can put that up, gave a speech March
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  Speaker 3: sixth to the Economic Club of New York. He happens
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  Speaker 3: to be a member of that Economic Club. And this
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  Speaker 3: is something that got very little press. It was only
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  Speaker 3: covered by the Treasury secretaries own YouTube and c SPAN
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  Speaker 3: which of course is a public utility funded by the
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  Speaker 3: cable companies, and then the Economic Club's own YouTube channel
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  Speaker 3: that's the only coverage it got, So this is something
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  Speaker 3: of an exclusive and whatscent had to say to the
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  Speaker 3: Club is shown here. Trump's recent executive order that requires
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  Speaker 3: the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the Federal
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  Speaker 3: Deposit Insurance Corporation, and the Federal Reserve to submit regulatory
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  Speaker 3: actions for review at the Office of Management and Budget
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  Speaker 3: will improve analytical rigor excuse me, discipline and accountability. So
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  Speaker 3: he's kind of making the Fed funnel a lot of
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  Speaker 3: its regulatory ideas through the OMB, which is not hugely significant,
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  Speaker 3: but there's more than meets the eye to that.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: NASDAC, of course, the Wall Street Stock entity, they took
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  Speaker 3: notice of that right away, as is shown here in
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  Speaker 3: this article, and they were one of the only entities
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  Speaker 3: that has been watching what Bascente has been doing. And
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  Speaker 3: they actually went back prior to his Economic Club speech,
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  Speaker 3: and they went back prior to when Trump was president,
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  Speaker 3: and Scott Bissent was simply an economic advisor last October
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  Speaker 3: to Trump, and they picked up on something else that
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  Speaker 3: runs sort of parallel Trump's proposed shadow chair FED shadow
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  Speaker 3: FED share plan challenges Jerome Powell's authority, Jerome Powell being
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  Speaker 3: the current chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. And so
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  Speaker 3: this is another area where Bissent and Trump are looking
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  Speaker 3: at kind of reigning in the FED and adding a
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  Speaker 3: little more government oversight. And here's something in terms of
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  Speaker 3: detail from Nasdaq the shadow chair proposal. Trump's Treasury Secretary
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  Speaker 3: Scott Bissent previously floated a controversial plan, as I noted,
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  Speaker 3: to establish a shadow Federal Reserve Chair. Under this unprecedented proposal,
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  Speaker 3: the shadow Chair would have no official authority or power,
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  Speaker 3: and yet the position would serve to challenge and critique
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  Speaker 3: current FED decisions. This is Nasdak explaining this. The appointed
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  Speaker 3: individual would likely become the next FED chair after Jerome
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  Speaker 3: Powell's term expires in twenty twenty six, so it would
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  Speaker 3: sort of prep somebody more aligned with Trump to replace Powell.
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  Speaker 3: I'm moving on. This is what else Nasdak had to
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  Speaker 3: say that explains the significance of this of the potential
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  Speaker 3: impact on monetary policy, This shadow chair could create significant
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  Speaker 3: complications for US monetary policy implementation. This dual voice, as
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  Speaker 3: it describes it, might lead to, and I emphasize this
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  Speaker 3: market uncertainty that would likely increase as investors and financial
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  Speaker 3: institutions attempt to interpret conflicting signals from both the official
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  Speaker 3: and shadow FED chairman. So Nasdak representing Wall Street, is
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  Speaker 3: a bit concerned about this, as this next slide also
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  Speaker 3: indicates the institutional independence of the FED. Of course, is
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  Speaker 3: this all important thing. Thou shalt not touch the FED
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  Speaker 3: with any congressional or legislative or political concerns. The FED
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  Speaker 3: has to be on total autopilot. So therefore Nasdaq is concerned,
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  Speaker 3: saying this proposal raises significant concerns about the Fed's independence,
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  Speaker 3: a principle that has been fundamental to US monetary policy
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  Speaker 3: for decades. In emphasis here, I put establishing a shadow
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  Speaker 3: chair could be seen as an attempt to circumvent the
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  Speaker 3: legal protections that ensure the Fed's autonomy from political pressure.
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  Speaker 3: And of course they're concerned about the Fed's credibility itself
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  Speaker 3: being damaged here and from there we can move on
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more. And I talked to Conrad Lebau
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  Speaker 3: about Bessen's speech to the Economic Club and about his
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  Speaker 3: idea for a shadow FED chair that was again last
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  Speaker 3: fall before Trump was actually elected, So some of this
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  Speaker 3: stuff has been brewing for a while and he saw
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  Speaker 3: some significance and it kind of a wait and see
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  Speaker 3: about that. Conrad has done a lot of very in
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  Speaker 3: depth research on the Federal Reserve. He's written a book,
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  Speaker 3: A Critical View of the Federal Reserve Act, available at
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  Speaker 3: the website I'm giving here. That'll be in the show notes,
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  Speaker 3: I presume, but I wrote a little snippet on this.
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  Speaker 3: And Conrad is looking at the real swindle involved with
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  Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve.
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  Speaker 2: Guys.
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  Speaker 3: He's looking at the specific ways that the US government
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  Speaker 3: is shorted and swindled by the FED. And he's trying
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  Speaker 3: with all his might to get the Trump administration looking
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  Speaker 3: beyond just regulatory changes and looking at the very heart
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  Speaker 3: of what the FED does. And as it explains here,
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  Speaker 3: just to give some examples, each US one dollar bill
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  Speaker 3: cost the FED seventeen cents to have the US print
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  Speaker 3: the money for the FED twenty five ten fifty dollars
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  Speaker 3: bills each cost a little bit more or not, but
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  Speaker 3: in all cases, as Conrad outlines, the US is swindled.
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  Speaker 3: The Fed's cost of printing two hundred billion in US
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  Speaker 3: currency is about one billion, despite the legal tender or
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  Speaker 3: face value of this same currency being two hundred times greater.
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  Speaker 3: This fire sale of our currency to the privately owned
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  Speaker 3: banking system needs to stop. On red is saying it
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  Speaker 3: has resulted in the loss get this, of about ten
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  Speaker 3: trillion dollars in revenue for the US in the last
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and ten years since the Federal Reserve was founded.
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  Speaker 3: So the US, besides having the potential to make a
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  Speaker 3: lot more revenue, or at least reasonably more revenue through
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  Speaker 3: the institution of tariffs, if the US would actually get
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  Speaker 3: the full face value of the money that it produces
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  Speaker 3: for the FED, then that would be another huge stream
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  Speaker 3: of revenue that would not involve taxing the American people.
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  Speaker 3: And so this really spells out that there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes that you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: hear about in the regular news stream to try and
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  Speaker 3: rain in the FED. That's carrying over from Trump's first
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  Speaker 3: term when the FED was pushing back a lot what
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  Speaker 3: Trump was doing back then. So these developments are pretty significant.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit evolutionary, but I'll be keeping a close
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  Speaker 3: eye on them, and they'll be more in the weeks
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  Speaker 3: and months ahead. And we'll see how far Trump goes
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  Speaker 3: with the FED. Will he go as far as he's
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  Speaker 3: going with tariffs. We'll soon find out.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark. Okay, Well, let's move on then to
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  Speaker 1: the topic of the Signals scandal. And I mean this
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  Speaker 1: Guardian here calling it a fiasco, is that what you
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  Speaker 1: would describe it us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the first big scandal for the Trump administration
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  Speaker 2: so far in the first couple of months, and this
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  Speaker 2: has been just dominating the news internationally. The Guardian has
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  Speaker 2: written a ton on this. I think they've published at
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  Speaker 2: least ten articles, various news reports and analysis and opinion
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  Speaker 2: on it. Here's one here, Signal fiasco is obscuring an
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  Speaker 2: essential question, why are we bombing Yemen? While I'm leading
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  Speaker 2: off with that Guardian piece, just to open this conversation here,
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  Speaker 2: because I think that is the operative question. This is
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  Speaker 2: really what we're looking at here. But there's a whole
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  Speaker 2: bunch of other things that have happened. So this was
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  Speaker 2: a private chat on an app called Signal. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of people out there have this app on their phone
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  Speaker 2: and use it, and the only difference is this was
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  Speaker 2: an intense national security conversation going on there. I was
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  Speaker 2: a bit surprised Mike to see that they would be
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  Speaker 2: talking about war plans on signal and not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, why would they be doing that, because it seems
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  Speaker 1: to me my first thought on this is the reason
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  Speaker 1: they're taking that onto signal is because actually, and there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of criticism about the fact they've done this,
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  Speaker 1: why aren't they using the official infrastructure that's provided by
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  Speaker 1: the intelligence agencies or whatever? That must be the answer
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  Speaker 1: right there. It's because they won't have this conversation outside
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  Speaker 1: of the surveillance that they would otherwise be under.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, so they have secure video conferencing. Normally that would
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  Speaker 2: be a venue you'd use for that. So because of
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  Speaker 2: that automatic delete feature and things like that, this keeps
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  Speaker 2: it somehow out of the public domain except Mike, except
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  Speaker 2: if there's a journalist in the chat, and in this
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  Speaker 2: case there was. Let's just break down what happened here
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  Speaker 2: is an absolutely incredible story, but it opens up a
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  Speaker 2: lot of interesting questions. So we'll bring on the chat
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  Speaker 2: group here, who they small group, this is what they
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  Speaker 2: called it here, and we'll look at the main people
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  Speaker 2: in here. What they call the principles, Mike, is what
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  Speaker 2: they call themselves. Pete haig Seth jd Vance. There they
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  Speaker 2: are Pete Haggseeth, Defense Secretary, jd Vance, Vice President, Tulsey Gabbert,
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  Speaker 2: Director of National Intelligence, and Mike Waltz, national security advisor
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  Speaker 2: to President Donald Trump. So these are the main sort
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  Speaker 2: of acts in here. And there's this guy, Jeffrey Goldberg,
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  Speaker 2: editor of The Atlantic magazine, and somehow he's been included
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  Speaker 2: in here, allegedly by Mike Waltz at the bottom there,
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  Speaker 2: Trump's national security advisor somehow added this journalist to the
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  Speaker 2: chat room. But amazingly, when confronted about it, which we'll
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  Speaker 2: show you later, he has no idea how he got
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  Speaker 2: added to this group, even though Mike Waltz created the group.
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  Speaker 2: So was it his aid that did it? Was it
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  Speaker 2: Mike Waltz that did it? Was his phone hacked by
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  Speaker 2: a foreign government? And they accidentally put the biggest anti
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  Speaker 2: Trump journalist in Washington, Jeffrey Goldberg, a never Trumper, one
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  Speaker 2: of the big pushers of Russia Gate early on. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the kicker, also the greatest defender of the State
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  Speaker 2: of Israel, very hawkish against Yemen, very hawkish against Iran,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, an arche Zionist who was in the
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  Speaker 2: IDEF as a prison guard guarding Palestinian prisoners being tortured
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  Speaker 2: in the Negave Desert's Jeffrey Goldberg. Okay, so it's no coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what we're posit here, Mike, no coincidence
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion and many others, that Jeffrey Goldberg was
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  Speaker 2: put on this chat group.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, people don't get brought onto the chat group
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  Speaker 1: by accident.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Mike Walls is trying to say that it was
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  Speaker 2: an accident or some act of God, but we think otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a look though at the main chat here.
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  Speaker 2: This is the important bit. Now, what did we learn
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  Speaker 2: from this? This is the important part. At least we
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  Speaker 2: get a look in here of how people act and
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  Speaker 2: think within this White House and Trump Cabinet. Here, so jd.
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  Speaker 2: Vance kicks off, says team I'm on a trip in
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  Speaker 2: Michigan or whatever he's saying. I think we're making a
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  Speaker 2: mistake by bombing Yemen here, and this was the Yemen
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  Speaker 2: bombing from two weeks ago that that was carried out.
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  Speaker 2: He says, only three percent of US trade runs through
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  Speaker 2: the sus Canal, forty percent European trade. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: the risk is the public won't understand it's necessary, is
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  Speaker 2: it an American interests, etc. And so Pete Hegseth comes
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  Speaker 2: back here. This is vance again the bottom on the Here,
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  Speaker 2: it says, Mike, come but I'm not sure the President
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  Speaker 2: is aware how inconsistent his matches is with Europe right now.
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  Speaker 2: So the issue of Europe comes up, and so we'll
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  Speaker 2: go here to Pete Hegseth's response to the Vice President.
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  Speaker 2: I understand your concerns and I fully support you raising
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  Speaker 2: it with the President. But he says what this boils
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  Speaker 2: down to here is nobody knows who the houthis are.
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  Speaker 2: So this is what we need to get our messaging say.
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  Speaker 2: He says, I think the messaging is going to be
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  Speaker 2: tough no matter what. Nobody knows who the houthis are,
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  Speaker 2: which is why we would need to say and focus
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  Speaker 2: on Biden failed and Iran is funding them. So he's
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  Speaker 2: saying this is because of Biden's failure and Biden's weakness
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  Speaker 2: and because of Iran is funding the Hoothies. So it's
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  Speaker 2: all about messaging. So is this what the intention of
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  Speaker 2: the attack was, And we'll explain that in a minute.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, it's kind of bizarre on one level,
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  Speaker 2: but also very crass on another. This is Stephen Miller here,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: and he's saying, what's Egypt and Europe going to give
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: us in return for this supposed favor. You see they
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: keep saying Europe, Europe, Europe. Nobody's mentioning Israel in any
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: of these chats. It's totally verboten. It's almost like Europe
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: is code for Israel in this discussion. But it's amazing.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So that's Stephen Miller, he's an advisor to the president here,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and then back to Pete hegseeth here, Yes, the European
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: freeloading is pathetic, So you know, this is terrible for
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: European US relations, this type of disclosure here, and he's saying,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: you know, talking about timing and so forth. And so
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: we go on here and say we're prepared to execute
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: if and if I had final go or no go vote,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I believe we should. This is not about the Huthis.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: There's two things. Restoring freedom of navigation a core national
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: interest in re establishing deterns. So they're saying that there's
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: no US trade going through there, but the freedom of
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: navigation is.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But there's quite a bit of Israeli ship and going
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: at least there should be under normal circumstances.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the only shipping that's being interdicted. So
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the irony here is and what Pete HEGs that's not
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: telling you is the reason there was no Yemeny attacks
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: on any Israeli shipping because there was a ceasefire. But
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: because Donald Trump and Netagna, who broke the ceasefire, then
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the Yemeny said, we're going to start interdicting ships. So
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: this is a preemptive strike by the United States, right,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: That's what this is. So they're not even mentioning the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: fact that the Yemenis are protesting the fact that Israel
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: stop food and medical aid and water going into Gaza.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They resumed ended there, resumed the blockade of Gaza. That's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the complaint by answer Allah aka the Huthis, aka the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: yemen He's here. So it's just a lot of this
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: is just amazing propaganda. So wait, a few weeks or
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: months does not fundamentally change our calculus here. This we
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: risk a leak if we wait and looking in decisive
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Well it leaked anyway, And they're saying Israel, Israel takes
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: an action first, Ie hits the the Yemeni's or Agaza
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: sees fire falls apart. Well, the seafire d fell apart.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: So I don't exactly know what he's talking about here.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: It really shows how out of touch these guys really are.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely incredible. And here Hexces's putting the whole timetable
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: before the attack. And so look at this, all the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: details here F eighteens launched first strike package twelve twelve
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to fifteen Eastern Standard time trigger based F eighteen's strike,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Windows starts, et cetera, et cetera. So he's given up
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: all of the operational in details here. So there's no
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: operational security or what they call opsec you know in
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: looks with national security lingo here. And so this is
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the real laugh here. This is hegseeth more to follow.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: We are currently clean on opsec. Well doesn't look doesn't
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: look very.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Clean, don't journalisten It's not clean.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Everyone sees it now. So Jeffrey Goldberg ran with it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: God speed to our warriors. So what Heseth did is
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: he didn't Goldberg initially release part of this, but didn't
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: release all the battle plans, but said that the battle
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: plans were divulged. Hexseth went into the press, as you'll
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: see in a minute, and denied divulging any battle plans,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: calling Goldberg a liar. Goldberg then releases all these texts
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that we're seeing here, the full set of messages here,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: So it's a complete mess on that. So we're going
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to give a big emoji for Pete Hegseth on his
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: opsec security, so con ops opsec. So anyway, there we are,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: so anyway bringing him back here, and what do we
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: need to look at this the final wrap up? We
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: need to look at this. Mike Waltz, I'm tied being
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: too fast the top missile guy. We had a positive
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: idea of him walking into his girlfriend's building. It's now collapsed. Excellent,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Mike Waltz, fist all American flag emoji. Good job. Pete's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio at the bottom. Mike Walt's a great job. Team.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I mean it's just so high schoolish in terms of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the way that they're interacting. I mean it's kind of
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: shocking on that level. So anyway, we'll go to this
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: is Pete Hegseeth basically before everything was released, denying it
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: all in front of the American public. Look at this.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Good forwards directing one question, can you share how your
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: information about war plans against the Hoopis and Yemen was
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: shared with a journalist in the Atlantic and where those
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: details classified.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: So you're talking about a deceitful and highly discredited so
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: called journalists who's made a profession of pedaling hoax his
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: time and time again to include the I don't know
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: the hoaxes of Russia, Russia, Russia or the fine people
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: on both sides hopes or suckers and losers hopes. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: this is the guy that pedals in garbage. This is
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: what he does. I would love to comment on the
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Houthie campaign because of the skill and courage of our troops.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: I've monitored very closely from the beginning, and you see
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: we've been managing four years of deferred maintenance under the
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Trump administration. Our troops, our sailors were getting shot at
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: as targets, our ships couldn't sail through, and when they
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: did shoot back, it was purely defensively or at shacks
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and Yemen. President Trump said no more. We will re
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: establish de terrence, we will open freedom of navigation, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: we will ultimately decimate the houthis, which is exactly what
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: we're doing as we speak from the beginning. Overwhelmingly that those.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Details, so you can see completely unhinged Pete tech Seth
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't like being child by the press. He's only forty
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: four years old. He's a Fox newsweekend host who has
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: made Defense secretary, the highest rank he attained in the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: military's major So not exactly qualified to be the head
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: of the Pentagon. So why he was selected by Trump
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: or by another foreign government perhaps is anyone's guess. But
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you can see he said, are brave warriors attacking the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Who he's Yemen's the poorest country in the world, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it's merely enforcing a blockade on Israeli ships in accordance
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to the International Courts of Justice Genocide case, the Genocide Convention,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a number of other international treaties, and the fact that
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they have a right to issue sanctions against Israel for
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: crimes against humanity until it stops. And when they did
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: have a cease fire by Trump, they did stop interdicting ships.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: So what's the US gone and done? Now? Yemen's resumed.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So who's damaged from this? The Egyptians are damaged European
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: trade is damaged. The Israelis are damaged, which will show
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you shortly, so the United States has actually ruined everything
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: that was working just a few days ago. They've destroyed
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it all in the name of showing how tough and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: how great our warriors are and how brave our troops
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: are against those Yemenis wearing sarongs sandals. But I mean,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the Yemenis are much more than that. Of course, answer
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Allah is much more. So it's funny they're demeaning them
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but then saying how they're incredible. So here's Tulsi Gabbard
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and the timing of this. Goldberg drops this story right
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: before the Senate Intelligence hearings. So the timing he held
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: onto it and then dropped it right before the hearings,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that tells you this was intentional. He was brought into
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the conversation, I believe, and it's designed to damage the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Trump cabinet, and it did that. So here's Tulsi denying
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that there was any classified information, which was a huge,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: huge misstep for her and I probably will end up
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: being fatal for her career as a national director of Intelligence.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Launched this contact secretary or others after this specific military
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: planning was put out and say hey, we should be
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: doing this in a skiff.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: There was no classified material that was shared in that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: So then if there are no classified material, share it
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: with the committee. You can't have it both ways. These
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: are important jobs. This is our national security bobbing and
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: weaving and trying to you know, filibuster your answer, So
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: please answer the court.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Just she did not do well there.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Getting owned by Mark Warner is embarrassing. But anyway, here's
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Mike Walt's national security advisor to the President, trying to
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: somehow wiggle his way out of this strange situation.
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: You know, Laura, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but of
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: all the people out there, somehow this guy who has
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: lied about the president, who has lied, ghost star families,
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: lied to their attorneys, and gone to Russia, hoax, gone
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: to just all kinds of links to lie and smear
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: the president of the United States, And he's the one
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: that somehow gets on somebody's contact and then gets sucked
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: into this group. Is someone in your intel Is someone
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: in your intel team trying to cause trouble here?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Because that's the scuttle about out there.
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: We have people, we have people. No, Look, this was
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: this is a great group. The president has a great team.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: This is not first your team. I'm not talking about
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: the other president. No, no, no, these were principles and a
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: couple and a couple of staff that we're coordinating as
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: you saw, having a policy discussions as we went forward,
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: and then just in the days before what was an
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: incredible strike. Not only did we take out people that
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: the Biden team never could that, we took out headquarters,
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: missile cachets and actually one of the leaders of the
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: Hooty organization. We've since taken out several and you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: that's what they don't want to talk about. They don't
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: want to talk about the success here. They don't want
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: to talk about the hostages getting released. They don't want
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: to talk about the Black Sea ceasefire that we just
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: put in place today as the president ends the largest
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: land war in Europe, or the border, or the fact
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: that Panama just kicked China out of the canal and
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: success after success after success. So they want to focus
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: on this. It's embarrassing. Yes, we're going to get to
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: the bottom of it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: We have.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: I just talked to Elon on the way here. We've
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: got the best technical minds looking at how this happened.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: But I can tell you. I can tell you. For one,
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: I don't know this guy. I know him by his
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: horrible reputation and he really is the bottom scum of journalists,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: and I know him in the sense that he hates
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: the president.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: But I don't text him. He went on my phone,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: so he needs Elon to tell him.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need Elon's tech team to say how he
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: added to the journalists, to the to the signal group. Okay, fine,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: but you see attacking the Goldberg instead of basically owning
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the fact that somehow something went on here Mike, and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: we will never know. We may never know the full story,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and probably Mike Waltz is somehow knowledgeable of what happened.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: It could have been an order from a higher up,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: maybe even the chief of staff, that came from the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Israeli lobby, put Jeff Goldberg on the group. Don't worry,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: it's been okay by the boss and nobody can talk
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: about it after that because it goes too high up
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the chain. So it could be a number of possibilities here.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So there's different things to look at, which is what
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the impression was from it, what the takeaways were and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: what the people's reputations, Who got damaged, who was elevated
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: by it. So let's take a look at that here.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: So some takeaways from the signal gate Pete Hegseth comes
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: off as hawkish, aggressive, or a leader if you're a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: neo con so he is probably done on aggregate well
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: out of it. Obviously we're more critical of him. But JD.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Van's cautious, diplomatic, dubvish an inside look at how they interact.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: This is the sort of political impression you get Tolsey
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Gabbart amateurish, sloppy and compromised just by being in there
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: as the NDI and not in a skiff or not
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: on some secure I mean, you can't let sorry, if
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: we go back, you can't let the public have privy
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to these types of conversations. That's the problem because when
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the public's allowed to see not only how you're portraying
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: other countries, other leadership and so forth, your military plans
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: will go back up on screen. Here Mike Waltz shady,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: sloppy and dishonest. So these are the sort of impressions
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: that they're getting afterwards here and so this is One
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: of the other things we're going to find from this
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: is that there's a potential pressure release valve here, Mike
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: with regards to the attack on Iran. So a lot
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: of public pressure has been released from this, and there's
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: no pushback pretty much from the public or from either
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the Democrats or Republicans on the bombing itself. There's only
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: talk about signal gate. So if from a sophisticated pr
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: point of view, that could be maybe the intention of this.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: There could be multiple intentions of this. We don't know
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: for sure. But if we go and look just a
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: little bit further here, and of course Jeffrey Goldberg, what
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: do we know about jeff on this? Well, jeff was
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: handpicked to be in this. He probably was gifted this.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe he was put on without his knowledge, but someone
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: intended for him to be there. That is the main
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: takeaway that people need to understand. Well, what about Pete Hegseth,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: our defense secretary. He's come off as a hot head,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: slightly fanatical, but just how fanatical is Pete Hegseth. Let's
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: take a look at this. So these are the tattoos
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: of Pete Hegseth. This is the Defense secretary, forty four
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: year old, no experience Fox News weekend host, not even
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: a mainline ang a weekend host, so sort of second
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: tier Fox presenter, selected by Trump to run a multi
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: trillion dollar department in the United States government. Here, so
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: let's look at the various tattoos. That's the cross of
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Jerusalem again crusaders and so above though, there's this other
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: deuce vault. What does that mean? This is a god
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: will it? This is a crusader call for the crusades.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So he's a religious Christian Zionist extremist. But here's interesting.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: He got a new tattoo. Look below duce vault, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: let's take a blow up of that. What does that mean?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: That's Arabic, it means Infidel. So this is the Defense secretary.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: He's got Infidel tattooed on his arm. And so here's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Pete hag Seth in at the King David Hotel in
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen during the first Trump term. Look at this.
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: He had a chance to go see the western wall
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: of its Temple mount, the western wall tunnels so much
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: of the old city. And as you stand there, you
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: can't help but behold the miracle before you and it
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: got me thinking about another miracle that I hope all
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: of you don't see too far away. Because nineteen seventeen
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: was a miracle, nineteen forty eight was a miracle, nineteen
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: sixty seven was a miracle. Twenty seventeen, the declaration of
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: Jerusalem of the capital was a miracle. And there's no
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: reason why the miracle of the re establishment of the
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: Temple on the Temple Mount is not possible.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it would happen.
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: You don't know how it would happen, but I know
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: that it could happen.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: That's all I have.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: That facts and activities on the ground truly matter. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: that's why going and visiting Judea in Samaria, understanding that sovereignty,
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: the very sovereignty of Israeli soil in Israeli cities locations,
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: is a critical next step to showing the world that
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: this is the land for Jews.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: And the land of Israel.
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: And I believe in light of the support you have
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: in Washington, DC, the support you have amongst patriotic Americans,
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: amongst evangelical Christians, amongst believers, amongst Republicans, even amongst some
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: Democrats who can barely say it anymore in Washington, buy
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: the ticket, take your action, do what needs to be
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: done here in Israel, because I truly believe this is
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: a moment where America will have your back. You have
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump in the White House, you have Mike Pence
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: as Vice President, you have Nikki Haley at the UN,
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: you have true believers in Israel and America that have
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: your back.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It's total religious fanatic. So this is just what it
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: is and why he's selected, probably because the Israeli lobby
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: put him on the shortlist for that position because of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: his religious fanatical pro Zionist belief So no question about that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have the secure the CV doesn't have the
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: pedigree for it at all. So the main those are
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: some of the main takeaways here and everybody on that
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Signal chat group, Mike, I just want to say, is
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: probably in violation of maybe section seven ninety three of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the Espionas Act, probably the Government Records Act as well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: and just using signal is kind of compromising national security
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and classified information. It's national defense information. It's automatically classified.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So there's all sorts of problems with this. Was this
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: is set up? Definitely? Who set it up? We're not
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: entirely sure who and why. We're not entirely sure, but
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: it was definitely definitely set up. And did it deter
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the Yemeni's we'll bring this up on screen here. Not really,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: they just fired more ballistic missiles at Israel. They wouldn't
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: have done it before the US attack. And what is
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: this a prelude towards we go on to the next slide.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: The next slide is the US attack on Iran that
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: appears to be eminent, and everybody's talking about that. That's
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: really what this all leads up to. I think in
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: many ways, this was a test run, this scandal to
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: soften up the public for an attack on Iran. So
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they're really getting the public to acquiesce to what's coming,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and that is talk of a bigger war. War fever
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is now in America, at least on the right wing.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: It's sounding a lot like it did before the Iraq War.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: A lot of people have just they're talking about the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: inevitability of an attack on Iran, Mike, So we're reliving
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: this again deja vu.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, we were talking on Wednesday about B
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: two's being shipped to die. Gugarcia that's not about Yemen.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: No, that's definitely about Iran. So we're heading on a
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: slippery slope towards probably another major war, and who knows
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: where this one's going to end if it's allowed to happen.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you Patrick. Okay, let's move on. If
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• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that if you possibly can if you're in Northern Ireland. Now,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: let's come back on the Signal in a sense, because
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of course light of the Signal shenanigans in the US,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: but also the situation with Apple and the encryption shenanigans
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: over here on that, I thought it'd be good just
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to remind ourselves of the debate around and encryption and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the effect of the Online Safety Act on that. Now,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: this is something we've been warning about for many years,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: but twenty in the course of twenty twenty three, Whittaker
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: from the Signal Foundation was warning and threatening that Signal
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: would pull out of the UK if there was any
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: attempt to force it to turn Signal into spyware, which
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: is exactly what Apple was being asked to do over
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the last number of weeks. So we'll start off here.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: This is a short excerpt from some comments just making
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the Channel four News in July twenty twenty three.
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: There is no way to create a backdoor that only
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: the good guys can walk through, And what's being proposed
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: here in the context and encryption is a backdoor. And
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: we know from decades of history, from decades of serious research,
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: that there's no such thing as a safe back door.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: If the British police can get in, hackers can get in,
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: if the British police can get in, Hostile nations can
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: get in. If the British police can get in, Putin
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: could get in, the Iranian government can get in, and
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: others wanting to do harm can get in. So it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: really important that we maintain the security and integrity of
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: these systems.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, just to clarifyin the Iranian government, these are
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: not the people we need to be worried about. It
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: is our own governments that we need to be worried about.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But look in their allies like the sixth Eye, the Israel.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Government exactly, and Unidity two hundred absolutely at the heart
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of just about every piece of infrastructure that we have. Look,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: we have a second video clip here because the person
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: sitting beside her with Damian Collins, and he was he
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: had been at least chair of the Culture, Media and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Sports Select Committee for several years and he was a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: major proponent of the most traconian aspects of the Online
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Safety Act. So let's just listen to what he had
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to say and how Meredith responded to his comments.
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: Agree with Meredith on that point. I mean, there are
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: I don't think it would be safe to have us
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: to say there's a safe backdoor, because once you create it,
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: other people will will find it as well. That's what
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: We're not going to ask companies to break encryption. What
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: the regulator would would do. I would imagine with a
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: company like Signal is when the regulator OFCOM is creating
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: the code of practice, they might say the Signal, well
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: what sort of data do you gather? And if Signal says, well,
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: we don't gather data about people's messages, we can't possibly
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: look at this. The regulator won't say you need to
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: break encryption. It'll say that's fine, but you do have policies,
• 42:39
  Speaker 10: let's say, on legal and appropriate use.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: How do you enforce those?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: What do you write me?
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: If none of that is specified in the bill. And
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: this is our concern because we hear, you know, we
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: hear things that are sensible like that from people like you,
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: and then we look at the bill and what is
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: specified is a regime that would give Offcom the power
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: to demand that everyone in the UK downloads spyware that
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: checks their messages before for their scent against the database
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: of what is permissible to say and send and what
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: is not permissible, and that is a precedent that authoritarian
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: regimes are looking to the UK to point to a
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: liberal democracy that was the first to expand surveillance. In
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: the terms of the UN Human Rights Commissioner, this is
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: unprecedented paradigm shifting surveillance, and paradigm shifting not in the
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: good way.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: So this is a massively important point. Now you'll note
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that Damian Collins said that the UK would not be
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: asking companies to break encryption. But since no MP can
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: ever tell the truth, it should come as no surprise
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that the UK regime did exactly that with Apple. They
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: were absolutely demanding that they break their encryption and provide
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a backdoor. So her point there was absolutely valid about
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the power of offcom under these circumstances. But here's the thing.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: In a sense, it doesn't matter how secure the end
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to end encryption actually is, because signal is without question
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the most secure of every protocol it's out there. The
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: issue here is if the deep state can get hold
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: of one of the ends of the end to end encryption,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: if they can get hold of one of the ends
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of the conversation, either through some form of social engineering,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: as seems to have happened in the United States or
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: through a device being seized at a border and the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: storage on that device imaged. And a great example of
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that is this article in the BBC because this is
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: really a company Celebright was claiming to have cracked signals encryption.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Well it hasn't and it's done absolutely no such thing.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: What they actually can do is they can read the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: file format of the signal app if they can get
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: hold of the physical phone. So they need to have
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the actual physical phone in their hands and they need
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: to image the storage of the phone in an unencrypted state,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: So they've got to get you to unlock your phone
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and then they can read the file that signal saves
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: on the device, which is not the same as as
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: getting you know, cracking and getting remote access. So the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: real risk here is the security of the device that
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: your application is running on, and that actually is evidenced
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: by this article from Lamont. Because France brought in legislation
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: also in twenty twenty three making it lawful for the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: French police to remotely control phones and laptops to enable
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the recording of a personal interest, to switch on cameras,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: switch on microphones. Now, Apple did something to try to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: mitigate that somewhat, because they now put a green dot
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: on your device to show whether there's the microphone or
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the camera is enabled. And so they do something to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: at least attempt to give somebody an indication that something's
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: being used. But nonetheless, that I think is the major
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: risk is that the control of the endpoint. And I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: think even if this journalist hadn't been brought into the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: US conversation however that happened, there are still some questions
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to be asked about using personal phones for those types
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: of conversations.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, very risky, very risky.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And just to finish this segment on offcom, I just
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: wanted to sorry, I just wanted to mention this Ofcom
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: has fined the provider of Only Fans. This is a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: company called Phoenix International Limited one point zero five million
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: pounds for they say, failing to accurately respond to formal
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: requests for information about its age assurance measures on its platform.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: So only Fans, as you know, pornographic in many cases,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and they're effectively requiring facial recognition and other mechanisms for
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: identifying people's ages as a form of digital ID required
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: here and that's what this is all about. So companies
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: submitting to OFCOM regulation are required under the Online sifty
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Act to respond to statutory information requests from Offcom in
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: what OFCOM describes as an accurate, complete and timely way.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And they say that in June twenty twenty two and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: in June twenty twenty three, they asked information from Phoenix
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: on their age assurance measures that the ones that they
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: had on the Only Fans website. This included asking how
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: only Fans were implementing age checks and specifically about the
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: effectiveness of Only Fans third party facial recognition technology and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: facial estimation technology. And OFCOM said that in January twenty
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: twenty four, Phoenix had informed them that it provided incorrect
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: information about the challenge age set for its age estimation technology,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: and so when investigation was opened, they found that Phoenix
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: had not reported this issue for sixteen months and therefore
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: they were in breach and that resulted in an incorrect submission.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: They imposed this penalty of one point zero five million pounds,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: which they say is going to be passed on to
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the treasury. So this money goes to the British government,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: but that includes a thirty percent reduction because they would
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: have had a bigger penalty if they hadn't complied, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: they hadn't basically handed accepted the findings and held their
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: hands up to it. So you know, this is another
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: example of the power that OFFCOM is being given as
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a result of this piece of legislation, Very wide ranging powers. Yes, absolutely, okay, Mark,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: let's come to you. And elections.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: In my research over the years, I've of course found
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: that the main control levers for controlling populations is money, media, elections.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I just call it MME for short. And given
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: the prodigious amount of executive orders coming out of the
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: White House, unprecedented with his second Trump administration, it's been
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: a challenge as to which ones to cover. So based
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: on these main control levers, I reported about money a
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: little earlier today the author Conrad LeBeau I'll mention in
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: passing about that first report today that Conrad ultimately emphasized
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: is of course, that the US would cut the FED
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: out altogether and issue its own currency, debt and interest free,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: which would be removing a significant control measure from the
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: population of the US and ultimately beyond because of the
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: ripple effects that would happen. I wanted to put that
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: cherry on top for my previous report, but this March
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: twenty fifth executive order is quite significant here, according to
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: an author that i'll and a activist that I'll mention
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: in a minute, preserving and protecting the integrity of American elections,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: And there's some laudable things here. This is an issue
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I followed for a long time, so I know what
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: to look for, and in this this is right from
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: the executive order. It points out that in tabulating votes,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Germany and Canada require the use of paper ballots counted
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: in public by local officials, something that activists and critics
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: have been talking about a long time in the US,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: but we can't seem to get there. And it also
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: points out countries like Denmark and Sweden sensibly limit mail
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: in voting to those They limit it to those who
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: are unable to vote in person due to handicaps and
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: things like that physical handicaps, and those countries like Denmark
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: and Sweden do not count late arriving votes regardless of
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: the date of postmark. But many American elections now feature
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: mass voting by mail, with many officials accepting ballots without postmarks.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Or those received well after the official election day. So
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: this executive order is pointing out a number of things
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: that key critics I've interviewed over the years have pointed out.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: And we'll move on from there. There's another important part
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: of this, and in the next slide it talks about
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: here we go, Well, the United States has not added
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: equally enforced federal election requirements. And basically what it comes
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: down to is that there are a number of existing
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: laws that simply aren't being enforced. In other words, it's
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: not a matter of Congress needing to pass a whole
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: lot of new laws. And this happens a lot with
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the border too. The border has a number of laws
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: on the books and regulations that simply aren't enforced. And
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: the same goes for achieving election integrity. Now, Garland Favrito
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: is the main activist who's been working in the state
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: of Georgia really doing yaomen zephyrs guys to show first
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: of all that there really is major election fraud happening
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: in the US, including in the twenty twenty elections, but
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: also providing very good examples on how to combat election fraud.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: And anyway, I have some quotes from Garland in terms
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: of his reaction to this executive order. This is one
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: of them we'll put up here, and he would know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: he would know all the particulars to judge this executive order.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: He said, this, this EO is a great first step.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I expect more orders coming on election integrity. It shows
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Trump and his team have done their research and that's
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: reassuring to hear and talking about his work at the
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: state level, I just talked to Garland yesterday on the phone.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: He said there's a bill in Georgia about hand marked
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: paper ballots, and another to get the state of Georgia
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: out of what is called eric and we'll talk about
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: that in a second. And then there's yet another bill
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: to help result invalid voter registrations. Now moving on from there,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I'll just mention here with this slide that there is
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: an existing interview with Garland Fabrito from the fall of
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Viewers can check that out and he
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: explains in painstaking detail that they're genuinely and truly is
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: election fraud going on at a very fundamental level, and
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: that the main problem is the electronic vote tabulating machines,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: not so much voter ID and all these other miscellaneous
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: issues that are talked about. Now, what is ERIC that
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: was mentioned briefly by Garland, and he wants to get
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: the State of Georgia out of it. It is the
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Electronic Registration Information Center and their state admission is to
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: help states improve the accuracy of America's voter roles, increase
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: access to voter registration for all eligible citizens, reduce election costs,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: and increase efficiencies in elections. And the next slide will
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: show that everything basically looks like it's on the up
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: and up. It shows that Jonathan Marx is the chairman
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: of ERIC, and he's the Deputy Secretary Elections for Pennsylvania,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: and Blake Evans is the immediate past chair and he's
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: the director of Elections for the State of Georgia itself.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: So everything looks to be on the up and up.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Just a coalition of state officials that run elections. However,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: when you look at the background and who created ERIC,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: and this is something Garland pointed out, that creator is
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: David Becker, a very left leaning election law advocate and
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: the co founder and executive director of the Center for
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Election Innovative and Innovation Research. He previously worked at Pew
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Charitable Trusts, where he organized the creation of Eric the
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Electronic Registration Information Center. He also worked for the ultra
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: left wing people for the American Way, and he worked
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: in the Department of Justice, where he got in a
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: number of scrapes. He got in trouble for actually meddling
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: in elections in sort of an indirect fashion. So all
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: in all, the executive order from the Trump administration guys
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: is firing on a number of good cylinders and pushing
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: most of the right buttons. As Garland, who's very much
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: an expert on this, has to say, there's more to
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: be seen, there's more that to be done. But the
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: election situation that in the US has long been egregiously
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: out of whack with the very untrustworthy non public counting
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: of the votes. Votes are cast in public, accounted in secret,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: and that's been a huge, huge issue here, And hopefully
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: we're seeing the beginning of the end of these very
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: secretive vote counts that have plagued the US for decades.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: So we'll see. But with Garland's stamp of approval on this,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: things are looking good so far.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: So back to you, thanks Mark. Okay, we well, we've
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: begun with the Coalition of the Stupid. Let's continue on
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: that theme or and on that theme, because Jade Vance
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: is visiting Greenland today. Now this is high Vance anninstys visit.
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: Hey guys, it's Shady Vance, the vice president. And you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 11: there was so much excitement around Usha's visit to Greenland
• 55:51
  Speaker 11: this Friday that I decided that I didn't want her
• 55:54
  Speaker 11: to have all that fun by herself, and so I'm
• 55:56
  Speaker 11: going to join her. I'm going to visit some of
• 55:58
  Speaker 11: our guardians in the Space for Worse on the northwest
• 56:01
  Speaker 11: coast of Greenland, and also just check out what's going
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: on with the security there of Greenland.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: So that sounded like shitt events. Everybody in the office
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: of Grease and it sounded like shitty events, not JD.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: But anyway, the question is this a popular visit? And well,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump thinks it is, so let's see how popular
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: he thinks it was. Sure, I think it's important.
• 56:24
  Speaker 12: It's important from the standpoint of international security. And if
• 56:28
  Speaker 12: you look at the ships outside of Greenland, you have Russia,
• 56:32
  Speaker 12: you have China, you have lots of different people and
• 56:35
  Speaker 12: lots of different places, and it cannot go on the
• 56:39
  Speaker 12: way it is it's not going to go on the
• 56:40
  Speaker 12: way it is. I'll make a staatement. It's not going
• 56:42
  Speaker 12: to happen. So they're going there, and that's purely friendship.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of people.
• 56:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah, people, people from Greenland are asking us to go that.
• 56:52
  Speaker 12: We have many, many requests from many many people. Some
• 56:55
  Speaker 12: officials too.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well he may be overstating the situation. Let's have
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a look and see how many many people. Because, as
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it's been widely reported, and here's a tweet about this,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Fanca's wife Usha is in Greenland already, and she thought
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: it'd be a great idea if she prepared the visit
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  Speaker 1: of her husband by recruiting ordinary Greenlander families who she
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  Speaker 1: hoped would open their front doors to them. Naturally, they
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  Speaker 1: chose the Greenland capital and well, oh dear, not a
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  Speaker 1: single family apparently wanted to have anything to do with
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  Speaker 1: them whatsoever. It's a bit embarrassing, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: So they had to cancel her visit because nobody wanted
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  Speaker 2: to have her in the house for a photo op. Surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 2: So I like these Greenlanders already. They seem to be
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  Speaker 2: people of integrity.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, Yes, Well, anyway, what's this all about? Well, it's
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: about the Arctic, which is the newest geopolitical front line
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: against Russia and China, as Trump was sort of hinting
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  Speaker 1: out there. So here's Exercise Joint Viking that's just completed.
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  Speaker 1: This is US Marines that's participating in an exercise in Norway.
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  Speaker 1: It was called Joint Fighting twenty five. It was a
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  Speaker 1: Norwegian military exercise focused on Arctic cold weather training military
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  Speaker 1: military engagements, and the exercise demonstrated They said that the
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  Speaker 1: Marine Corps have a unique ability to rapidly deploy during
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  Speaker 1: a crisis, and they aim to enhance operability with Norway
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  Speaker 1: and with Europe. But I thought I thought they were
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  Speaker 1: getting out of Europe. So this is very strange. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who are they fighting? Are they training to fight the Russians.
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  Speaker 1: Russians are pretty good at cold weather fighting. I'm told, like,
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  Speaker 1: that's all they do, Mike, I believe they are.
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  Speaker 2: That's all they do.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, look, look, the reason the Arctic is so
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  Speaker 1: important all of a sudden, and it's not really all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, because it has been for the last
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  Speaker 1: lot of years, is that Russia and China are working
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  Speaker 1: hard to open up trade routes along the northern coast
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  Speaker 1: of Russia. The Arctic was once described as an area
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  Speaker 1: of high cooperation and low tension, and certainly the BBC
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  Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of others really making the point
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  Speaker 1: that this situation has changed. The name has been dropped.
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  Speaker 1: It's climate change, you say, and the claim is that
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  Speaker 1: average temperatures are rising and therefore accessibility to the region
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  Speaker 1: is rising, and therefore they've got to do something about it.
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  Speaker 1: So the narrative is going that the Arctic is central
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  Speaker 1: to Russia's military and strategic thinking that because of the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: military setbacks that Russia has suffered in Ukraine, and with
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Finland and Sweden joining NATO, the importance of the region
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  Speaker 1: for Putting is only increasing and therefore, you know, we've
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: got to we've got to continue to find and this
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: has been in the in the media here. So let's
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: just this. Over the last few years, you know, Malign
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  Speaker 1: putt In eyes new Cold War as he plots the Arctic.
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  Speaker 1: The Guardian view on the Arctic threatened by Putin's war,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Russia and China opening a new antique anti Western front
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  Speaker 1: in the Arctic. This has been going through the media
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  Speaker 1: for years and also the think tanks and n g
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: os countering Russia's hybrid threats in the Arctic, and even
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: our old friend Jhen Stoltenberg who went before he left NATO.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: This is not but you're talking about Natal twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 1: This is not about NATLE moving into the South China Sea. Sorry,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: but it is about NATLE moving into Arctic, the Arctic
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  Speaker 1: and Africa, investing and heavy and so you know, this
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  Speaker 1: narrative just continues to be as they develop a new front.
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  Speaker 1: So I wonder how many fronts they intend to fight
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  Speaker 1: Russia on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not that Russia's planning military conquest. It's that
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  Speaker 2: the Northern Passage, Mike, the Arctic Passage is becoming It's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: going to become a major trade route, and so they
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: want to be able to control it and block it
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: if they so choose. Not because of military activity by Russia,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: because of trade activity from China, from the Asia, from
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Russia as well. This is about controlling trade and commerce.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: That's what NATO and the United States are playing at here.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: And this idea that the North Pole is going to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: melt and you're going to be able to drive a
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  Speaker 2: ship through at will just doesn't stack up to the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: actual data on ice cover on the North Pole, which
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: is still frozen as we speak. It's getting frozen as
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: early as it normally does and as late as it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: normally does, so there's seasonal breakup of ice. But this
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: idea of al Gore saying there'll be no North Pole
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  Speaker 2: by the year twenty ten, that didn't happen, and it's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: not going to happen, not going to happen for the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: foreseeable future, especially since we're going into a global cooling
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: phase a monitor minimum, so that's kind of throwing the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: whole climate change conversation up in disarray. This is why
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: they're panicking, and now they're basically punting to the military
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: industrial complex on the climate narrative. Amazing, amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Well look it's two o'clock. We got to leave it
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  Speaker 1: there for today. Thank you Patrick, and thank you Mark
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• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:50
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