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The Late Debate | 4 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, welcome, wait to play.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson with
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  Speaker 3: my good friends Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, sir? Very well sir and Freyer leaps
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  Speaker 2: you doing well?
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  Speaker 4: Frayer fantastically.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get stuck into the show. Here's what's
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  Speaker 3: coming up. Why is the Victorian government paying aboriginal groups
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  Speaker 3: so much more than anyone else to undertake backburning? Plus
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales Premier Chris Min's cancels a Ramadan dinner
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  Speaker 3: after a Sydney mayor accuses him of having a fetish
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  Speaker 3: for attacking Muslims. And the New South Wales government gives
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  Speaker 3: funding for a special International Women's Day event open only
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  Speaker 3: to transgendered women. We'll get to all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 3: but first Liberal leader Jess Wilson will attempt to end
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  Speaker 3: more than a decade of labor rule when Victorians go
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  Speaker 3: to the polls in November. She's got a strange way
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  Speaker 3: of going about it, though today she ruled out any
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  Speaker 3: preference swap with one nation and insisted there was no
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  Speaker 3: chance of any coalition.
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  Speaker 5: When people go into the ballot box in November this year,
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  Speaker 5: they can decide how they're going to.
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  Speaker 4: Distribute their preferences.
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  Speaker 5: That's what happens at every single election. That's why we
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  Speaker 5: have preferential voting in this state. There'll be no alliance.
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  Speaker 5: We are the Liberal and National parties and that is
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  Speaker 5: the coalition in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you do a preference deal with one nation?
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  Speaker 3: Is Jess Wilson embarrassed by Pauline Hanson, who I should
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  Speaker 3: say is surging in the polls currently on twenty four
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  Speaker 3: percent in Victoria. Or is Jess Wilson running scared of
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  Speaker 3: labor who will no doubt Painter is far right if
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  Speaker 3: there's any hint of orange in her campaign. This is
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  Speaker 3: a no Brainerffrayer. Of course they should do a preference
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  Speaker 3: deal with one nation.
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  Speaker 6: Well, not necessarily because the Liberal Party's primary vote is
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  Speaker 6: still higher than one nation, so one nation would be
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  Speaker 6: getting preferences from the Liberal Party. You've also got to
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  Speaker 6: remember that there's a big divide. One nation is surging
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  Speaker 6: in the polls, but the Liberals also still have to
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  Speaker 6: win inner metropolitan seats where the idea. I know, on
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  Speaker 6: this program and on this channel, you wouldn't see an
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  Speaker 6: issue with doing a preference deal. But you've got to
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  Speaker 6: put yourself in the shoes of your average Melbourne lefty.
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  Speaker 6: You just don't want anything that could be used as
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  Speaker 6: an attack against you. And I think the other thing
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  Speaker 6: as well that the Liberal Party more broadly is going
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  Speaker 6: to have to navigate is you've got to give people
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  Speaker 6: a reason to vote Liberal in the first place. So
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  Speaker 6: if Jess Wilson came out and said, yes, we're going
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  Speaker 6: to have an alliance with one Nation, we'll do a deal, well,
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  Speaker 6: if I'm a Conservative voter, why wouldn't I just vote
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  Speaker 6: for one Nation? Then I know the argument might still
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  Speaker 6: stand if they don't have a preference deal anyway, but
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  Speaker 6: I think it's just about making the choice really clear
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  Speaker 6: to voters. Vote for the Liberal Party to change the government,
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  Speaker 6: and no doubt they will also say put labor in
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  Speaker 6: the Greens last. That's effectively a preference deal.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose the idea would be though that in most
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  Speaker 1: cases you would think that it'd be more likely a
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  Speaker 1: Liberal candidate would get up than a one nation candidate,
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  Speaker 1: So effectively, what you're trying to do is make sure
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  Speaker 1: that one nation first preferences do eventually end up with
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  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, So it is too the advantage of
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  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, because I mean, historically there's a good
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  Speaker 1: chunk of one nation first preferences that end up with labor,
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  Speaker 1: and so anything you can do to sort of sandbag
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  Speaker 1: against that, you would think is a good thing. I
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  Speaker 1: am curious though. MS Wilson says, you know, it's up
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  Speaker 1: to voters to choose their preferences when they get into
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  Speaker 1: the ballot box, and it has been thus at every election. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what's the point of how to vote card? Then? I
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  Speaker 1: mean she's basically saying it's up to you, you make
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  Speaker 1: your decision, by which she's saying that how to vote
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  Speaker 1: card has no value. Is that the case or not?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the reality is they often do end up doing deals,
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  Speaker 6: but it's on a seat by seat basis and not
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  Speaker 6: so I think that's what's going to end up happening here.
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  Speaker 6: She's just ruling out a blanket alliance or coalition with
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  Speaker 6: one nation.
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  Speaker 2: Is she running scared of any connection with one nation?
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  Speaker 3: Justinta Allen has been going hard at Jess Wilson for
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  Speaker 3: speaking at an event also hosting Barnaby Joyce. Jess Wilson
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  Speaker 3: pretty quickly backed out of that, blaming a calendar problem.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like she's just trying.
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  Speaker 3: To put distance between herself and Pauline Hanson because she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want the attack.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, of course, like if you're the opposition leader,
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  Speaker 6: you're going to try to neutralize any possible angle of
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  Speaker 6: negative campaigning, right.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think that will alienate existing liberal voters who
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  Speaker 3: want a liberal leader who finally stands for something rather
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  Speaker 3: than a John Persuto two point zero who jumps at shadows.
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  Speaker 4: I totally agree.
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  Speaker 6: I think she shouldn't be apologetic and she should stand
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  Speaker 6: up for what she believes in. And she is resonating
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  Speaker 6: with voters. She's doing well in the poll. She is
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  Speaker 6: beating just into Alan by a mile for preferred premiere.
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  Speaker 6: So she's got to keep on doing that. But if
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  Speaker 6: you put yourself in her shoes, she's no doubt got
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  Speaker 6: polsters and strategists in her freaking out about the one
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  Speaker 6: nation connection.
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  Speaker 2: People SATIN had pulses.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the problem was they weren't freaking out enough about
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  Speaker 1: what was going on quite clearly. And you can be
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  Speaker 1: a head is preferred premier, but you've got to be
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  Speaker 1: able to turn that into seats. And I mean the
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  Speaker 1: last staid election in Victoria extraordinarily of course mister Andrews
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  Speaker 1: was still premier at that point, but Labor gained a
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  Speaker 1: seat after everything that happened through COVID, Labor actually gained
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  Speaker 1: a seat. So they weren't going backwards three and a
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  Speaker 1: half years ago. They were going forwards, and you've got
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  Speaker 1: to counteract that. Yes, there were a couple of winds.
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  Speaker 1: I think the NATS picked up some seats at that
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  Speaker 1: election off of independence, so they did a little better
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  Speaker 1: than they had otherwise as well. But it's a long
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  Speaker 1: road back to government for the coalition, it has to
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  Speaker 1: be said. But maybe they should point out things like
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  Speaker 1: this because of because we know in Victoria one of
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  Speaker 1: the big problems they have is a budget that is
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  Speaker 1: out of control. The state is basically flat broke. They
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  Speaker 1: have no money. They keep trying to extract it from
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  Speaker 1: people via extortionate land taxes and all sorts of other things.
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  Speaker 1: And what are they doing with all this money that
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  Speaker 1: they're forcing you to hand over to them, Well, they're
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  Speaker 1: giving it to aboriginal groups to do cultural burns that
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  Speaker 1: are hideously expensive. Now you would like to think that
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  Speaker 1: if they're spending this money on these quote unquote cultural burns,
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  Speaker 1: that it would be doing something good for the environment, because,
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  Speaker 1: of course we know to counteract and prevent bush fires,
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  Speaker 1: we have the practice of burnoffs. We burn the land
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  Speaker 1: before a burnoff, before a bushfire, sorry can burn it
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  Speaker 1: so it's done in a controlled manner and there's no
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  Speaker 1: fuel for it. And back in the twenty twenty one
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  Speaker 1: twenty two financial year budget, the Victorian government then the
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  Speaker 1: Andrews government, allotted twenty two and a half million dollars
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  Speaker 1: for these so called cultural burns. This is over four years,
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  Speaker 1: and in the four years since then, every single one
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  Speaker 1: of those twenty two and a half million dollars have
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  Speaker 1: been spent. But they've been spent on a total of
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  Speaker 1: eighty burns over about eight hundred hectares. And when you
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  Speaker 1: work that out to what it costs per hectare, that's
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight grand per hectare, which is a hell of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money to spend, particularly when you compare
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  Speaker 1: it to as the Herald Sun reveals today. See if
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  Speaker 1: they volunteers are doing burnoffs at three hundred dollars a
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  Speaker 1: hect here, if it's done by the official government outfit,
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  Speaker 1: it's done for about twelve hundred dollars a hectare, so
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  Speaker 1: that the state government has been paying up this money
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  Speaker 1: for god knows what a hideously expensive compared to what
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  Speaker 1: everyone else can do it. But they say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's Aboriginal course, so we have to let
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  Speaker 1: it go. And indeed, the Herald Sun reported that one
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  Speaker 1: senior Department of Energy, Environment and Climate Action source defended
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  Speaker 1: the high cost of cultural burns, saying the grants were
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  Speaker 1: helping traditional owners relearn quote how to use fire in
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  Speaker 1: the landscape, whatever that means, as well as navigate the
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  Speaker 1: numerous hurdles they faced. What hurdles to being pirate technics.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not fair to mobs, the quote
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  Speaker 1: goes on, as it's fuel reduction burns, not their job.
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  Speaker 1: The officer said. They may use burns for simply putting
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  Speaker 1: a bit of smoke through country for spiritual purposes or
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  Speaker 1: stimulating growth or agriculture. So the state government's paying twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight grand a hectare for Aboriginal people to burn parts
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  Speaker 1: of Victoria when they can't even prove that there's been
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  Speaker 1: any benefit to the community for doing so. Meanwhile, the
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  Speaker 1: people are actually burning to stop bushfires, can do it
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  Speaker 1: for I don't know. What's three hundred twenty eight thousand
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  Speaker 1: divided by three hundred. I should have worked that out
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  Speaker 1: before the show. But it's a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 1: more expensive.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, to add insult to injury. The CFA, who,
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  Speaker 3: as you said, will do it for three hundred bucks
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  Speaker 3: a heck there. I mean, they've got major shortages of equipment.
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  Speaker 3: They had fifty of their fire trucks break down within
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  Speaker 3: a four day period earlier this year. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: their radio equipment doesn't work. The trucks are like thirty
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  Speaker 3: to forty years old. So think of how much equipment
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  Speaker 3: could be bought that would serve the Victorian public keeping
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  Speaker 3: them safe from bushfires, which is a very real threat
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  Speaker 3: during summer in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Instead is going to indigenous groups.
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  Speaker 3: And the bit that got me klored from what you
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  Speaker 3: read there in the Herald Son is they're relearning cultural burning.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just a cultural practice that they have forgotten.
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  Speaker 3: And now the Victorian labor government has taken upon taxpayers
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  Speaker 3: to re educate the indigenous people about their own culture.
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  Speaker 6: And I reckon the CFA can do it so much cheaper,
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  Speaker 6: probably because I don't know then it's in the name
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  Speaker 6: they are volunteer firefighters. So if the cost difference is
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  Speaker 6: that great twenty eight thousand dollars a hectare versus three
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  Speaker 6: hundred dollars a hectare, we should also be asking what
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  Speaker 6: is the payment structure like the traditional owners also volunteers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, who knows. It's ninety three point three times more.
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  Speaker 1: I've been told in my ear by little Birdie the
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  Speaker 1: comparative cost. But the forest Fire Management VIC Vitoria, which
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  Speaker 1: is a government entity, they can do it for fifteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars as well, and that's paid staff, including everything,
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  Speaker 1: the administration, the whole damn lot paying people to do
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  Speaker 1: it. It costs fifteen hundred bucks a hectare. So how do
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  Speaker 1: they possibly justify twenty eight grand a hectare Except that
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  Speaker 1: these groups have taken the money and they've done the burn.
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  Speaker 1: But they've just been given the money without having to
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  Speaker 1: prove what they've actually done with it. It's just here's funding,
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  Speaker 1: go and do something. They don't have to hit a KPI.
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  Speaker 3: And you can imagine victorians. I bet you they're sitting
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  Speaker 3: there thinking that's twenty eight grand per hector before the
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  Speaker 3: treaty has been ratified. Can you imagine what it's going
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  Speaker 3: to go up to after the treaty.
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  Speaker 6: But it sounds like they weren't even expected to do
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  Speaker 6: any actual burning in the first place. It was all
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  Speaker 6: just symbolic and all about the culture. Let's just let
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  Speaker 6: some smoke into the air. You can do that for free.
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  Speaker 6: The government shouldn't be spending any money on that. You
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  Speaker 6: could light things on fire very easily. And Victoria is
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  Speaker 6: a eight where every year seemingly they have devastating bushfires
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  Speaker 6: that cost millions of dollars, often cost lives. Every dollar
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  Speaker 6: you spend doing symbolic cultural bush burnings is a dollar
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  Speaker 6: you're not spending actually saving lives.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, if they want just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of smoke into the year, they could give
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  Speaker 1: the major packet of darries, but that would probably cost
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  Speaker 1: twenty two and a half million dollars as well, so you.
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  Speaker 4: Outwin exactly right. Well, let's move on now.
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  Speaker 6: In New South Wales, Premier Chris Mins has for the
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  Speaker 6: second time in three years, canceled the annual Ramadan ifta dinner.
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  Speaker 6: This is because apparently tensions with the Muslim community have
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  Speaker 6: deteriorated to such a point that the Muslim leaders claim
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  Speaker 6: even if they were invited and it was going ahead,
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  Speaker 6: they wouldn't go, and the Premier's office is trying to
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  Speaker 6: bow out gracefully. I guess the leader of the Lebanese
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  Speaker 6: Muslim Association, it's secretary, Gammel Kiir, said we've got to
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  Speaker 6: a position where the Muslim community has gone into hiding
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  Speaker 6: and does not want to be associated with any politicians.
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  Speaker 4: And that's not good for anyone.
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  Speaker 6: He said, So what has precipitated such a dramatic rupture
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  Speaker 6: in Muslim community relations with the labor government. It was
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  Speaker 6: the Muslims who were stopped from praying at the Herzog protest.
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  Speaker 6: Now that's debatable because what do you expect to happen
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  Speaker 6: if you start praying in the middle of a riot
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  Speaker 6: or you'll probably get moved on by police. And then
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  Speaker 6: it was the Mayor of Liverpool Council yesterday Ned Manoon,
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  Speaker 6: slamming Chris Mins for criticizing people who were mourning the
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  Speaker 6: Ayatolla Harmoni. So, James, I guess what I'm trying to
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  Speaker 6: wrap my head around is we're three months on from
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  Speaker 6: an Islamist terror attack that claimed the lives of fifteen
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  Speaker 6: innocent Australians.
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  Speaker 4: Yet somehow Muslim.
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  Speaker 6: Community leaders seem to be claiming they are somehow the
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  Speaker 6: victim of government oppression, which means they are going to
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  Speaker 6: pull out of this dinner and they're very upset. I
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  Speaker 6: just don't understand how that's justified.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's not justified, but they've got form.
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  Speaker 3: As you said, this is the second time in three
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  Speaker 3: years that they've done this. Back in twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 3: they pulled out of the dinner because they didn't like
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  Speaker 3: the way the new South Wales government was failing to
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  Speaker 3: support Palestinians to the degree that the Australian National Imam's
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  Speaker 3: Council would have wanted. So this is just another dummy
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  Speaker 3: spit from a group of Islamic leaders in Sydney who
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  Speaker 3: regard any criticism of Islam as criticism of all Muslims,
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  Speaker 3: and even criticism of the Ayah Tola and the suggestion
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  Speaker 3: that maybe it might not be such a great idea
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  Speaker 3: to mourn his passing as an attack on the Muslim
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  Speaker 3: community more broadly, which is plainly ridiculous, childish, And if
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  Speaker 3: you're going to keep having tantrums like this, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what we do about Chris Min's statement that you
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  Speaker 3: know diversity is our strength, Clearly it's not when you've
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  Speaker 3: got one section of our multicultural community who say, if
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  Speaker 3: we don't get what we want, then.
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  Speaker 2: We will have no fellowship with you.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe mister Min's will start to wake up to
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  Speaker 1: that because he has actually remained firm on this and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad of that. It has to be said, dummy,
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  Speaker 1: spit and tantrum are exactly the right ways to put this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether anyone whether you two heard this
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: morning Nedmnoon was talking to Mark Levy on two GB
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  Speaker 1: and basically backed in everything he said yesterday, refuses to
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  Speaker 1: admit that any of it is wrong. Again, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure why he is a member of the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 1: and the Liberal Party should be looking very closely into
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  Speaker 1: whether his membership should continue or not. But dummy, spit
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  Speaker 1: and tantrum, because what they're essentially saying is unless you
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  Speaker 1: agree with me, I just can't sit at the same
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  Speaker 1: table as you. And you know there are certain people
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  Speaker 1: over in the Middle East you like to run their
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  Speaker 1: countries like that, but that's not how things operate in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: You achieve result and this is what. It's really stupid
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  Speaker 1: on their behalf. The best way to achieve results is
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: to talk to people to engage, right if you're in politics,
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  Speaker 1: if you're involved in an organized religion, if you're involved
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  Speaker 1: in an advocacy group. The only way you actually achieve
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  Speaker 1: anything to your advantage in your favor, change hearts and
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  Speaker 1: minds is to break bread, sit down at the table,
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  Speaker 1: and make your point in a civil manner. If you
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: refuse to engage with the premiere because you're unhappy with
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: something he's done, well, it's a damn good way to
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  Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't pay any attention to you. If
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: they were serious about actually doing something good for their
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: community and advocating for what they wanted, they would be saying, yes,
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  Speaker 1: let's have dinner with the premiere, and while we're there,
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  Speaker 1: we'll sit down and talk in a civil manner about
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  Speaker 1: what we have concerned with. But they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do that because they don't want to achieve it in
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  Speaker 1: a civil way. They simply want to say it should
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  Speaker 1: be this way, and there's no discussion about it.
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  Speaker 6: My question was, is a in this might be a
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  Speaker 6: bit of a cynical view, but is this prepping for
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  Speaker 6: some kind of challenge at the state election. In the
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  Speaker 6: federal election we saw there were two Muslim votes groups
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  Speaker 6: that both were designed to mobilize Muslims run Muslim candidates.
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  Speaker 6: We are seeing this in the UK with the rise
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  Speaker 6: of explicitly Muslim candidates, and it is this worrying slide
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  Speaker 6: into out and out sectarianism that we haven't seen in
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  Speaker 6: Australian politics for fifty years or more probably ever to
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  Speaker 6: that extent. Really, I've always had the Catholics and Protestants thing,
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  Speaker 6: but it's never been you know, we're going to run
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  Speaker 6: a Muslim candidate or an Anglican candidate.
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  Speaker 4: So I think, is this.
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  Speaker 6: Some kind of way to put the pressure on mins
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  Speaker 6: start fermenting discord within the Muslim community. But it's a
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  Speaker 6: dangerous path to go down.
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  Speaker 3: I think anyone who's watching UK politics over the last
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  Speaker 3: couple of months would know that's.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly where all of this is headed.
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  Speaker 3: And at the front of the queue, the Greens are
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  Speaker 3: wanting to play that game. You talked about civility between friends.
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  Speaker 3: There's not a lot of civility these days between the
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  Speaker 3: United States and the UK. They used to be very
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: much in love, but that relationship has completely cooled, mainly
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: because when Donald Trump decided to attack Iran, Kiyostarmer refused
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  Speaker 3: to allow US jets to use British bases to launch
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: those attacks, a position that I'm sure Donald Trump would
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: have found quite flubbergasting, and he's sure let Kiyostarmer have
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: it with both barrels today.
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: I'm not happy with the UK either. That island that
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: you read about the lease, Okay, he made it for
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: whatever is and he made a lease of the island.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: Somebody came and took it away from him, and it's
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: taken three or four days for us to work out
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: where we can land there. It would have been much
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: more convenient landing there as opposed to flying many extra hours.
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: So we are very surprised. This is not Winston Churchill
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: that we're dealing with.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Kiirs Starmer is certainly not Winston Churchill. So while Donald
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Trump has launched Operation Epic Fury, Kiirs Starmer was busy
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: today with Operation Epic Appeasement, talking to a group of
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Muslims assuring them that he had done absolutely nothing at
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: all to protect the UK from radical Islam. And one
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: or two you make clear the UK was not involved
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: in the offensive stripes of the US at Israel, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: that remains the case. In the last forty two months,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: the UK police have foiled twenty terror attacks plotted by Iranians.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: That's just in the last forty two months. So you
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: would think the UK would very much have an interest
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: in Trump's action against Iran.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: For Kirstarmer to.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Bow that we were not involved and we will never
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: be involved is certainly not very Chichilean at all.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Trump is right on the money.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And the fact that he is making this statement to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a Muslim audience, directly to a Muslim audience, by which
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: he is basically signaling it's okay, I understand what you're
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: on about. Now. When you are at the point as
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a prime minister where you have to pander so clearly
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to an interest group, a minority group, you have to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: ask the question, who are you governing for now? I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: mean it's you kind of being dictated to in terms
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of what your policy is. And the fact that you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: would stand there as the leader of a Western nation,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is something that pretty much
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the entirety of the West and the entireity of the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Middle East is on board with, and he can't bring
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: himself to say, yes, you know, it's we agree with
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: what has happened. I stress we weren't involved. I mean,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: what a strange day in the Albanesi and Penny Wong
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: are stronger in their rhetoric on this matter than Sirquistarmer,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: The same man who just a few months ago was
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: talking about his country being turned into an island of
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: strangers talking about immigration, and he can't even muster up
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the courage to say, yeah, actually we've done the right
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: thing here to take out a dictatorial, theocratic leader.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting how you point out how different his
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: rectric was a couple months ago compared to what he's
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: saying now. It does make me wonder does his retric
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: change depending on what room he's in. Would he have
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: said the same thing if it were not a room
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: full of Islamic leaders who we know, many of whom
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: are mourning the eyetola even here in Australia.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: And I think this is the problem.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: When you start to have the Balkanization of politics, where
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: ethnic groups or religious groups, instead of voting for what
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: is in the national interest, vote for self interest.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: For their community.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: That is when you actually get the breakdown of democracy.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: This is not a good road to go down. It's
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: happening here in Australia, it's happening in the UK, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Trump is completely right. Starma must be one of the
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: weakest UK prime ministers since.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: World War II, since before Winston.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: Churchill, when appeasement was the policy with the Nazis.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: And of course those comments came just a few days
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: after a by election in the UK which the Labor
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Party was all set and favored to win. Shockingly, they
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: lost it to the Greens, who campaigned almost exclusively to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Pakistani Muslims, stirring up resentment about the UK's failure to
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: support Palestinians in Gaza to the degree that many Muslims
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: felt they should have. So I think Kirstarma has been
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: completely spooked by that result and he's trying to settle
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the horses so he doesn't have similar losses in other
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: seats down the track.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Well, they not only lost that by election, they got
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: absolutely hammered in that by election. It should be noted
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: not only by the Greens but also by Reform because
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to first past the post system in the UK, the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Greens had like ten and a half thousand votes, but
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Reform was not far behind on about nine thousand odd votes,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and then Labor was well down the lid and the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Tories barely polled one thousand votes in that seat. Right,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So it's not just the Greens he has to worry about.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like a pincer movement. He's got the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Greens coming from this angle, he's got Reform coming from
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that angle, and he doesn't know what to do. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: was at lunch yesterday with a guy over from London
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: at the moment and he was just remarking, I can't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: believe how fast Sirkia has managed to blow up his government.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: You know, the only reason he's still there is because
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the Labor Party haven't decided yet who should replace him. Yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the only reason he's still in number.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Ten, I know, I know. And how glad was he
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of Peter Mandelson and all that sort of. You know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it's amazing he's still there, but he is. Now. You
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: would think it would be a no brainer that if
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you live in an English speaking country, English would be
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: an official language of that country, except if you live
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in New Zealand. Now New Zealand does have two official languages.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: As it stands, The Maori language and a New Zealand
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: sign language. But Winston Peters the leader of New Zealand. First,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of course, he's been involved in politics for a long
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: time in New Zealand. He is in government in coalition
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: with the Conservatives there. He's also the Foreign Affairs Minister.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: He is pushing to make English an official language of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: New Zealand. You'd think that would be pretty uncontroversial. He says,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it's simply to make the point. I mean, we are
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: an English speaking nation. He said. This bill won't solve
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the push of this virtue signaling narrative completely, but it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: is the first step towards ensuring logic and common sense prevails.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: When the vast majority of New Zealand is communicated English
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and understand English, in a country that should use English
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: as its primary and official language, what is there to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: disagree with? I'm not really sure, but if you ask
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Labor MP Kieran McNaughty or mchanality, I should say it
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: is scare mongering, it is cynical and frankly, we can
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: do without it in this country. I'm not sure if
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: he's talking about the English language or the idea that
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it should be an official language. When ninety five percent
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of the country speaks it. Or how about the Greens
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: in New Zealand They're co leader. Chloe Swarbrick says, this
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: is a bill which is an answer to a problem
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that does not exist in plain English. For all members
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: of this government, this bill is bullshit and you know it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I failed to see what the problem is here. What's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the issue with making the national language an official language
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of the nation. Now, of course it could then have
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: implications in terms of what documents must be printed in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: et cetera. And this is essentially the point is that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at the moment, you know, you could have either Marie
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: language or whatever being used.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, let me just interrupt you for one second.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Caleb with got breaking news with you can see on
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: your screen now the first flights leaving Dubai in days
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: have just touched down in Sydney, bringing home over two
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: hundred Australians who were stranded in the UAE because of
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the war. This follows widespread flight cancelations after Iran started
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: striking at golf neighbors earlier in the week. It's estimated
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: there's still twenty thousand Australians in the UAE and another
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen thousand in the broader Middle East region.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: So I can't imagine the relief of the two hundred
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: or so passengers on that flight, having just touched down
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: at Sydney Airport, some very happy passengers, and I'm sure
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: family at the airport waiting to greet them, having wondered
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: when they would get home. This is probably a bit
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: sooner than most had anticipated.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Indeed, and it's always one of those things. I've been
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: to Israel a couple times, and I think whenever you
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: are traveling to the Middle East, you sort of have
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: in the back of your mind this could end in
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: the war, there could be some sort of eruption, but
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: you always saw go now. Won't happened to me? These
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: unfortunate people, it has happened. Well, they've been in Dubai.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I can't imagine how stressful that would have been. Of course,
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: the international airport was hit, an iconic hotel was hit.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: Dubai was not sped from this by any means. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: I think it's good they're getting out now, But I
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: just wonder what the plan is to bring back the
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: rest of them, because there are still thousands of people
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: stuck over there.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly indeed, and you know, I mean two hundred people.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It's great to have them back, but it's small pickies
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: in terms of the Australians that are currently over there.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: So we'll see in the coming days how they manage
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: or try it least to repatriate others. But going back
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to what we're talking about too, what is the issue
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: with English being an official language of New Zealand. It's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: an English speaking country.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Well, Maori is an official language. Sign language is an
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: official language of New Zealand. But apparently it's divisive to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: say maybe English should be listed as well. I mean,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: whenever you do things like this, you're accused of playing
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: culture wars, right, even though you didn't change anything.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: You're not seeking to change anything. But that's what the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: left are doing here.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: They're accusing the New Zealand government of engaging in culture
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: wars for simply stating the obvious. And we should note
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Freya that Winston Peters, who's leading the charge on this issue,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: is himself a Maori.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: Oh it's so silly, and that's the irony. If you
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: speak to a lot of migrants, I'm sure it would
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: be the same thing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Here in Australia.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: They came to Australia because they wanted to be in Australia.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: And a fundamental aspect of Australia is that we are
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: in English speaking country. But in some parts of Sydney,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure there are some parts of New Zealand
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: potentially as well, street signs are barely in English. You
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: do feel like you could be in another country. And
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: so there are practical reasons why, as our society becomes
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: more and more multi ethnic, you would actually want to
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: set some guardrails around that and say, actually, English is
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: our national language.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: The conservative New Zealand government started to wind that back
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: because there were so many street signs that were in
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Maori and in English and it was not only costing
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: a fortune, but it was becoming confusing for everybody.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So that's been going on in the background.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Now they're just wanting to press the point that English
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: is the official language.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I don't see anything wrong.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: I think we should look at doing it here. Why not.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Well, something that is happening in Australia is you won't
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: believe this. It is the first International Women's Day event
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: run solely by men.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Have a look.
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: National women say for and by trans women is happening
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: this Saturday. We have a whole day of workshops, discussions
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: and community activities for and by trans women. This is
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: such an exciting event. Ticket sales closed this Wednesday. Don't
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: miss out.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: So this event is being run by the Inner City
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Legal Center in partnership with Women New South Wales and
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: UTS getting funding by the way, from the New South
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Wales state government. And it is entirely run by biological
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: males who identify as female.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: James, is this end.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: State feminism where we have pushed so hard to erase
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: any difference between male and female that men are now
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: not only women, but they are better at being women
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: than women are, so much so that a whole day
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: about women is now just being run by men.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Well here's the real irony.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine, Caleb, if an International Women's Day event
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: was run by actual women for actual women, no trans
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: women allowed. There would be an uproar about that and
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: someone would be hauled off to a discrimination tribe.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, there'd be more than an
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: uproar to be ruled illegal. And you've currently got the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: lesbians going through court at the moment trying to press
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: exactly this point.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Sorry, just out your for a second. I've got to
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: get this in.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: They're conducting workshops right, So then for received government funding
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: twenty four thousand dollars of twelve grants that were given
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: International Women's Day, the third highest amount was given for
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: this event. These are some of the workshops that are
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: being run for a women's event. Vocal coaching, confidence and embodiment,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: changing your name and gender, and takedowns, which is removing
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: old photographs of yourself presumably.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: When you look like a man from the internet.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: They're just trying to recruit more women. They love women
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: so much, they're so celebratory. They're just trying to get
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: more women.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm glad people have finally realized that men are
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: better at doing everything. You know, that there's nothing that
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: a man can't do better, including being a woman. I mean,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: if we only work this out from the beginning, we
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have had a problem. My theory is that it's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: actually because International Women's Day has basically fallen off the agenda.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, ten years ago is a big thing,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and the end, I suppose they still do some corporate
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: breakfast or something. Though, who's turning up to a corporate
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: breakfast on Saturday, which is International Women's Day. But it
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: kind of feels like it's disappeared, Like remember what was
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: that thing we meant to turn the lights off for
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: an hour?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Earth Day?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Birthday, Earth Hour? Yeah? Remember our No one talks about
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that anymore. Like International Women's Day I think has kind
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: of disappeared. And so they've gone, well, what can we
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: do to try and you get some win back up
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the thing again? Well, will say help, We'll invite men
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: into the tent as well, just so we can try
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and boost the numbers. But beyond the jokes, it is ridiculous.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, what on Earth is government money being spent
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to put towards an event so biological men can say
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I want to become a woman on International Women's Day? Like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is there actually anything more insulting than taking a day
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: as stupid and symbolic as it is that is for
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: women and then trying to make that about men who
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: want to be women.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: All of this finishes the moment, Angus Taylor says, elect me,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: and we will go back and amend the Sex Discrimination Act.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: After Julia Gillard removed the definition of a woman from biology,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: will fix that and all this stuff disappears immediately.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: The Coalition should.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Promise to do that, or I want to get your
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: opinion on a council matter. Wagga, Wogger, the city of
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: my birth, have decided they are going to have a
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: trade mission from the local council to their sister city
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: in China. The councilor Richard Foley, who's pushing this trade delegation, says,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I don't see the point of sister city relationships at
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: all unless they've got something of economic benefit to return
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: to communities. Now on that I would agree with him.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: He goes on to say, I'm not interested in what
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Trump says or Prime Ministers of Australia have to say.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: We're not engaging in international affairs. Rather, they want to
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: go there and organize some trade deals between their sister
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: city in China and Wogga in regional New South Wales
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: now the One Nation Riverina branch leader Paul Funnell, who's
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: a former counselor, he's come out against this, saying it's
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: way beyond the scope of local government, and he says
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: that they can well organized trade without having to have
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: a sister city relationship, let alone run trade delegations from
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: council thoughts.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, any excuse for an overseas junker.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Day, that's the cynical view, right, I mean.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You know, what do you think they're going to do
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: in China when these councilors from Wogga Wogga rock up?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Where Wogga Wogga? Where's where? Where's Wogga Wogga? Like, honestly,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: sure they're a sister city thing, but I mean this
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: sister city business normally is just some sort of ribbon
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: cutting exercise to make it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Bit's like you've got trade delegation leader is making what's
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the point of having a sister city relationship if we
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: don't get there and organized trade for our city.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: That's what we want to do.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But genuinely, what sort of trade is a local council
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: going to go and negotiate with some city in charget
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: willibins that they are fantastic cha yeah, And what's Wogga
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: wogg going to give to them? It just seems a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: bit rich for a council. You know, trade delegations are
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: done by state and federal governments. If counsels now want
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to get involved in trade delegations as well, where does it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: End exactly not every level.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: I mean that just shows we have too many levels
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: of government in Australia. But you definitely should not be
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: getting involved in international trade. That is really the purview
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: of the federal government and that's it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It worked out well for Victoria and Dan Andrews.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly well, but again I mean it does come
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: back to your point, Kaleb, what are they actually going
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: to achieve?
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: What can they possibly get out of it?
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Maybe AI powered bins or something from China that like
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: read how full your bin is and then can optimize
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: the collection timing or something.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: But that's about all I can think of.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Well made of Mine who works in Winey, has a winery,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: does a lot of trade shows overseas and has been
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: on official trade delegations for South Australia with Peter Malamaskus,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and often at these things they will have a section
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: that is for South Australia or for New South Wales
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  Speaker 1: for instance. Can you imagine if every council in the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: country now says they're going to have their own stand
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: at these trade delegations in China? Be unbelievable. Quickly before
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  Speaker 1: we get to a break, Oscar Piastre. I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: would be aware. The magnificent Australian Formula One driver is
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: getting ready for the Grand Prix in Melbourne this weekend,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: but he says when he returns to his native Melbourne,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: where he grew up, there is one thing he finds
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: really scary. He tells the Herald Son, I try to
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: avoid the city and avoid the hook turns because they
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: still make me a bit anxious. Now, if you've never
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: been to Melbourne and seen a hook turn, we have
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: examples here. It's basically you've got to pull over to
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  Speaker 1: the left and then wait for all the traffic to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: pass so you can then turn right across all of
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the lanes. It is a bizarre system. It only exists
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: in Melbourne. I know when I moved to Melbourne, it
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like scared the living daylights out of me. So take
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: some solace if you struggle with hook turns as well.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: One of the best drivers in the world who grew
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: up in Melbourne also says he can't deal with hook turns.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I feel much better now because I have struggled with
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: those in Melbourne as well. And the potholes and the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: bike lanes and the endless tram stops. It never ends
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: all Right, after the break, we'll look at what's making
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  Speaker 3: news tomorrow, including how Australian taxpayers have been funding research
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: university projects with those nations that wish to do US harm.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: That's coming up after the break. Okay, well, let's give
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: you a head start on tomorrow's news. Caleb's got the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: front page of Tomorrow's Australian.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, where it's his standing order eliminate Israel has found
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to eliminate any Iranian leader who threatened the Jewish state quote,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: no matter what his name is or where he hides,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: as hardlined as in the regime, prepare to appoint a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: new supreme leader, with the son of the assassinated Ayatola
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Ali Khameni poised to take over as a defiant Iran
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: struck key US targets across the Middle East. The provocative
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: appointment of his son, Mataba Kameni would anger Donald Trump,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: who is seeking to create a pro Western regime in Tehran,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and who claimed on Wednesday our time that the US
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and Israel were killing so many of Iran's leaders that quote,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: pretty soon, we're not going to know anyone. The fifty
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: six year old is a hardliner who is close to
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and would be seen as
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a continuation of the current regime, frustrating millions of Iranians
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: who hope the war will cause the forty seven year
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: old regime to fall. And I guess this is the issue, right,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: is that you can do so much to get rid
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of the i Tola, but if you then want to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: dictate the terms of who replaces him, it's a very
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: different kettle of fish and potentially involves a lot more
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: involvement than simply a four week operation. Right, And is
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that something that Trump would want to get himself involved in.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, But how do you actually achieve what
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you wanted to achieve in the first place without doing so?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Well, he's kind of involved in it now, whether he
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: wants to be or not. Having taken out the Ayatolla,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you've created the situation where someone else will arise, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Trump alluded to the fact that there is the possibility
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: they could end up with someone worse. At least Trump's
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: wise enough and honest enough to admit that is a possibility.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: My question is how long do you give this latest
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: guy before Israel take him out when you understand the
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: level of intelligence they had regarding the last Aya toll
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: or even down to traffic signals so they could locate
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: his exact position.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: On roads to I wouldn't want to be taking up
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the position.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: My guess is ten days, MACS, ten days and he'll
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: be done.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: But it is interesting.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: We did see reports today that the US is potentially
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: going to be arming Kurdish groups to take over And
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: this is the problem. Right when you're up against a regime,
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: what you would actually need for regime change is mass
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: mutiny in the IGC, a military coup, division among the elites.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: That is necessary for regime change. We haven't seen that yet.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: Maybe if there was another force that could actually fight
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: back militarily, you might start to see something change. But
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: that's the next step that has to happen if they
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: do want to get rid of the IGC.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Indeed, another story on the front of the Ears tomorrow,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: young and less educated losing faith in democracy. Interesting little story,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: this one. Less than half of eighteen to twenty four
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: year olds believe democracy is always preferable to other forms
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: of government, According to Startling findings in a nationwide survey
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: The Australian National University study also show faith in democracy
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: has plummeted to less than a quarter of young people
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: without a year twelve or post school education, at least
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: in the wake of the Bondai Beach terror attack and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the launch of the Royal Commission on Anti Semitism and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Social Cohesion. The research captures attitudes on democracy and the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: rule of law that it urged be given closer to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: ten Only forty three point eight percent. This is quoting
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: from one of the academics. Only forty three point eight
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: percent of the Australian age between eighteen and twenty four
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: years agreed that democracy was always preferable. What do they
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: propose as the alternative? I guess is my question. You know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: as Churchill once said, democracy is the worst form of
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: government except for all the others. What do we do
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: if it's not a democracy dictatorship?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the problem.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of our young people have been brought up
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: to think socialism is a wonderful thing and it's glorified,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: while our own government and system of government is continually
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: run down at every turn. So, I mean, that's a
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: terrible statistic, But are we really that surprised.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Probably not. Another story on the front of the ODS too,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: taxpayer funds for UNI deals with despot nations exclusive here
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: from Natasha Beta. Taxpayers have funded Australian academics to collaborate
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: with scientists from the despot nations of Iran, China, Russia,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and even North Korea on at least fifteen hundred joint
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: research projects over the past decade. As the Albanese government
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and opposition blame each other for the risky research, the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Australian can reveal the extent of contentious collaborations involving some
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of the nation's most elite university universities I should say plural.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Australian Research Council data shows it has funded one four
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight research collaborations, most relating to high
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: tech engineering and computing research with China since twenty fourteen,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, Russia, North Korea. What on earth are we
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: doing collaborating with North Korea in any way? Surely you
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: should be able to draw a line in the sand
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: somewhere and say our academic pursuits should not be also
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: advantaging countries that want to work against us. Certainly ones
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: like North Korea will you kind of go over a holiday.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: How do you even get in touch with academics from Korea?
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Because I thought they basically had no Internet access. This
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: raises so many more questions than it answers. But the
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: other frustrating thing here is we're paying for all of that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and no one is ever found responsible for any
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of these ridiculous grants. That it's taxpayer money getting wasted
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and in some cases being used for purposes that you
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: could argue are actually against the national interest. And so
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: you get articles like this and we all get upset,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: but no one's ever held accountability.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: In the Advertiser tomorrow, very sad story continues, Gus's family
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: turns Stephens bombshell two not cooperating The Police Commissioner has
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: revealed two relatives of missing four year old Guss Lamont
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: and not cooperating with investigators. Grant Stephens made the statement
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: while saying Task Force Horizon would be returning to the
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: family's sheep station at a later date. The development came
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: weeks after Essay police deemed Guss's case a major crime,
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: prompting his grandparents to kip back at and his parents
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: to issue a statement pleading for public help to find
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: their son. Now it doesn't say which family members are
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: not cooperating, and we obviously don't have any more details
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: than that at this stage. But it's just a tragic
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: case and there doesn't seem to be any resolution.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Insight and police have repeatedly said they have ruled out
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the possibility that this little boy just wandered off and
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: it was all accidental. They definitely suspect foul play, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: the investigation continues. The front page of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph has,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: of course, the biggest radio story in the country. Lawyers
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: called in amid two hundred million dollar contract battle, Radio
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: lawfare reads the headline. Employment lawyers have already been retained
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: as the explosive end to Kyl Sandlin's and Jackie O.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Henderson's two hundred million.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Dollar breakfast radio contract shapes up to be one of
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: the costliest legal battles in Australian media history. One of
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: the possibilities they're preparing for is evidence that perhaps there
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: was a really toxic work environment, and there may be
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: other people who will want some sort of recompense. For
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: now I'm just supposing here, but bullying or that sort
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: of thing that may or may not have been going
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: on behind the scenes. So all I'm saying is there's
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: now speculation that this thing could just get bigger than
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: ben hur and it's already pretty damn big.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: And legally it could come from three angles because you've
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: got Jackie Oh, who could potentially say I will take
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: legal action because I felt like I was in an
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: unsafe environment. Then if Kyle Sandalan's is sacked because he
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: somehow doesn't meet the terms of you know, this breach
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: that he is alleged to have conducted, he could then
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: go them for unfair dismissal. Then you've got the problems
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: that the network has to deal with in terms of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: releasing them from their contracts. This ain't going to end
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: anytime soon. If there's anything Carl and Jackie are good at,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: it's creating a headline and well they're going to keep
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: doing that. And another story on the front of the Mercury.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Down in Tazzi tomorrow, teacher nap Ban Tasmani and teachers
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: have slapped a ban on conducting napland testing across the
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: state's public schools as their wage dispute with the state
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: government intensifiers. The National Assessment program, which aims to measure
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: literacy and numeracy progress amongst school students, is due to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: start next week, but the Education Union said members would
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: not be administering the tests taken by students in years three, five,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: seven and nine as a band to send a message
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to the government. In essence, they're just not going to
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: administer the tests. They're not going to put them on
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the tables and it'll be business as normal.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I wish teachers had done that when I was at music.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: To you, they're essentially holding these children's academic results hostage.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I understand why you would want to.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: Be This is a great position to be in as
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: a student, but these tests have long term effects.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break. When
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: we come back, Caleb's got our dope of the day.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back to the program. A right, fray,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: what have you got for us?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: A bizarre moment unfolded on UK TV when host Jeremy
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Vine was very perplexed by a strange dance that people,
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: young people were doing, shaking their hips and moving their
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: arms and he really could not understand what was going on.
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: From iran of people don't seem like shrump.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: So this is the I believe this is in Iran.
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: I gad, that's in it Ran when they're doing the
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: Trump dance, which is just basically very slight nelder the
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: hips and or where is it? Where is it is
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: not Iran. It's crucially not Iran. And that's very important
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: because it was in Iran. They might all be killed
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: that they get machined on.
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was Iran.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: Look, I know that people of Iran are very happy.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: But if you did that assembled like that in the
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: street's been run right now, I'm not sure you live
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: to tell the tale.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Crucially crucially not Iran. He's rather crucially quite an important point.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: I would have thought, all right, the AFL world is
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: mourning today as Dennis Commedee, one of the greatest AFL commentators,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: passed away at the age of seventy six after a
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: long illness. Dennis Committee was well known to be very
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: charming and very witty with his commentary. He started commentating
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy one only retired in twenty twenty one.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: That's quite the innings, and I want to show you
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: probably I think Caleb, you'd agree, this is our favorite
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Dennis Committee moment. It was during the twenty ten Grand
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Final between Collingwood and Saint Kilda.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Have listened to this great runs it?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, wonderful Chase. Well he sure they trained
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: up baho.
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: Been like a my Brariam.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Don't surprise everybody else in the lib he's got the football.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Did he come up with that line in the moment
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: that you must have?
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You can look up online. They call
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: them committeeisms and there are dozens of them you can
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: look up. Of course. One of his great ones was
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: sent to me to perfect. He loved seend to me
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to perfect. And it's so sad losing these voices because
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: you grow up with them and you know you would
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: have grown up with his voice as well.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And he and Bruce McAvaney when they were coming, Oh yeah, that.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Was dream team. Of course, played for and coached West
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Perth until the end. His calling was sent to me
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to perfect before we go. You don't look the day.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Today's entry is a chap up in Queensland who thought
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: he'd tried to steal a bit of copper and in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the process of doing so, whacked out his knife like
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: he was Paul Hogan and tried to cut through a
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: cable in order to get to the copper. But as
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you can see on that knife there, it came into
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: contact the bit of electricity. In fact, it was an
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: electrified cable with eleven thousand volts going through it that
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: blew his knife clean off and also gave him one
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: hell of an electric shock. He then took himself to
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the hospital with significant burns to his chest and face.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I rather think he should now have learnt his lesson
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: about trying to steal copper.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I know what he deserved, that's from us stick around.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Coming up is the Read a Penny Show hosted by
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Denika de Georgia. Good Night,