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BONUS: Was Ohio State Too Conservative On Defense Against Texas? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: All right, bonus show number three of the week for you.
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  Speaker 1: This time you're going to get to hear Ryan Day,
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  Speaker 1: some of his comments on the Ohio State defense, some
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  Speaker 1: of the Ohio State special teams. Again, a lot to like,
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  Speaker 1: I think, during that game on Saturday. Had an interesting
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  Speaker 1: breakdown with Michael Pettit, one of our scheme insiders. You
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  Speaker 1: can find that on our YouTube channel at youtube.com slash
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  Speaker 1: at Buckeye Insiders. Some reasons that maybe it was not
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  Speaker 1: quite as good as it seemed in the first half.
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  Speaker 1: And also some things that they did that were pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: So you can find that on our YouTube channel, youtube.com
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  Speaker 1: slash at Buckeye Insiders.
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  Speaker 2: So, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So this is going to be a question about defense.
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  Speaker 1: It sort of ends up turning into a question about
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  Speaker 1: the freshmen in general. So, but here it is. This
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  Speaker 1: is three touchdown drives at the very end of the game.
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  Speaker 1: They did not get a lot of pressure. on Archmanning.
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  Speaker 1: Really only a couple of blitzes and we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: content to sit back, drop seven, drop eight, and make
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  Speaker 1: Archmanning sort of pick them apart slowly and have to
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  Speaker 1: set his feet and throw the ball instead of running
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  Speaker 1: or finding an open guy who was not really covered. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, have they looked, it ended up not working, right?
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  Speaker 1: It didn't work at the end of the game. So
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  Speaker 1: have they looked at maybe changes of strategy or maybe
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  Speaker 1: even personnel moving forward in those situations? And then you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hear a follow-up from Doug LaMaurice of the
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  Speaker 1: Bill and Doug show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, you had to look at
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  Speaker 2: everything and I think there was a lot of good there,
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  Speaker 2: but we ultimately didn't win the game when we needed
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  Speaker 2: to at the end. And so, yeah, the first thing
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  Speaker 2: you got to look at is the personnel and making
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  Speaker 2: sure you have the right guys out there. I think
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  Speaker 2: we have some really good young players on, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all three phases, specific offense and defense that are going
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  Speaker 2: to play into both sides of the ball more often
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  Speaker 2: as we move forward into conference play. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: big part of it, looking into it. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: way that we kind of looked at it was, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we have this first, we have this game here week two,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to do everything we can to win that game,
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  Speaker 2: and then we're going to kind of move on from there.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think that, you know, Kari's a guy
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  Speaker 2: that we've got to try to figure out ways to
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  Speaker 2: get him into the game. But I think Just in general,
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  Speaker 2: for some of those young players, whether it's on offense
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  Speaker 2: or defense, they have to build enough trust. You look
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  Speaker 2: at a guy like Jay Timmons, from the jump, he's
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  Speaker 2: built enough trust to say, put him in the game
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  Speaker 2: and look what he did. These other guys, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to have that opportunity here. There's no place that's more
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  Speaker 2: competitive than we are. And these guys are going to
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  Speaker 2: have a chance to compete every day and have an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to get on the field. And so there's that part.
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  Speaker 2: Then the part of, I think, like you said, about
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  Speaker 2: being aggressive and finding a way to win the game
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  Speaker 2: on defense, then Yeah, I think this is a different
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  Speaker 2: defense than we had last year. Different personnel, different guys.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have a reference point on where we
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  Speaker 2: are against a very good team. And I think as
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  Speaker 2: we look at it, now we have to put the
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  Speaker 2: right pieces together. It's not going to be exactly the
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  Speaker 2: same as it was last year. We have different guys
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  Speaker 2: in different spots. And so they're not new guys anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They're Buckeyes. But we've got to utilize them in the
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  Speaker 2: right spots to go win the game in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the challenge that we have as coaches.
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  Speaker 2: and then the players owning that as well.
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  Speaker 3: Strategically as the head coach, are you okay with maybe
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  Speaker 3: taking more risks on defense to try to get more pressure,
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  Speaker 3: and then living with the results? Maybe they hit some shots,
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  Speaker 3: but you guys also, there can have to be some
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  Speaker 3: rewards there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean, when it's time to go
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  Speaker 2: win the game, you know, we all have to be
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  Speaker 2: on the same page, and we have to live with
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  Speaker 2: the result, just like, you know, we throw the ball
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  Speaker 2: on third and four to Jeremiah on a fade to
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  Speaker 2: go win the game. Yeah, I mean, that's, I absolutely
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  Speaker 2: own that. I mean, that's, you know, and so we
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  Speaker 2: have to live with the result, and then and then
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  Speaker 2: go on from there. But yes, for sure. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's something that we have to do a good
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  Speaker 2: job of here, of making sure that we have enough
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  Speaker 2: answers in the fourth quarter to go win the game.
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  Speaker 2: And that certainly didn't happen Saturday, but it will moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: After the game, Ryan Day talked about the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it was really all three phases of the game that
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  Speaker 1: had moments that cost them in a one point loss,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all of those little things can add up.
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  Speaker 1: And one of them, obviously with the special teams, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they missed a field goal at the end, but the
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  Speaker 1: punt game, it was also just kind of okay for
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  Speaker 1: Ohio state. They had that moment where they tried to
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  Speaker 1: punt and pin Texas deep. And then the punt wasn't
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  Speaker 1: very good. And Texas ended up with the ball on
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  Speaker 1: about the 15 yard line instead of the two yard line.
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  Speaker 1: So Is there maybe more in there to try and
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  Speaker 1: squeeze a little bit of an extra margin out of
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  Speaker 1: that punt game?
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  Speaker 2: I still think we can get more out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Joe does get the ball out quickly and had a
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  Speaker 2: couple of decent punts, but you're right. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: got it. We got to execute that better. If we're
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  Speaker 2: going to, if we're going to do that, if we're
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  Speaker 2: going to make that decision, it is hard for me
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  Speaker 2: to stand in front of you and say, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: a good thing when the ball's on a 15 yard line.
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  Speaker 2: If we pin them on the two or the one,
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  Speaker 2: you're probably saying, okay, I get it better. So Either
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  Speaker 2: we have to execute that better or we've got to
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  Speaker 2: go for it. That's the bottom line. I still think
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  Speaker 2: Joe can do a better job of it. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to work on it again today extensively. We've been working
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  Speaker 2: on it. But if it gets to the point where
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  Speaker 2: we're not executing it well enough, then we've got to
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  Speaker 2: make other decisions. But I do believe in Joe. I
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  Speaker 2: think Joe has the ability to do it. But we've
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  Speaker 2: got to go put it on the field.
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  Speaker 1: This is kind of an interesting question. This is a
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  Speaker 1: year when they have seven captains. That is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of captains. four team. A lot of times it's two, three,
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  Speaker 1: maybe four. This time of year, seven. So that can
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  Speaker 1: be sort of a weird leadership dynamic. And then, so
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  Speaker 1: you had a game like that where all three phases
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  Speaker 1: of the game sort of let them down at various
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  Speaker 1: times and they didn't seem to have an answer in
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  Speaker 1: those closing minutes. So where does the leadership on the
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  Speaker 1: team stand right now? And where does that group maybe
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  Speaker 1: need to improve?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we have good leaders. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've had really good leaders in the past,
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  Speaker 2: but I understand where the question's coming from. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you get to that moment, who's going
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  Speaker 2: to step up and make that play? And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a challenge for our guys.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: But as coaches, it's our job to be really critical
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  Speaker 2: of every decision that we make, which I know you
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  Speaker 2: guys are going to do as well. That's part of
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  Speaker 2: your job. I get it. But if we're looking at
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  Speaker 2: it as coaches that way, but the players, I go
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  Speaker 2: back to this, the players are looking at it that way,
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  Speaker 2: like we probably can point to how many number of
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  Speaker 2: plays where if we make that play, the game's probably over.
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  Speaker 2: And that's probably what's not allowed any of us to
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  Speaker 2: sleep over the last couple of days. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is where you get challenged. And these are those
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  Speaker 2: edge moments where you've got to make decisions as a
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  Speaker 2: player and as a leader to step across and say, man,
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  Speaker 2: this is not going to happen again. And when I
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  Speaker 2: get myself in that situation again, somebody's got to make
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  Speaker 2: that play to go win the game. Someone's got to
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  Speaker 2: get this done. And then as a coach, we've got
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  Speaker 2: to figure out ways we're going to put you in
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  Speaker 2: this situation and make sure we communicate it really, really well.
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  Speaker 2: So I think a lot played into it the other night.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that when you play 41 plays in
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  Speaker 2: three series, by the end, I think we were worn
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  Speaker 2: down a little bit. I think that did play into it.
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  Speaker 2: There's no excuse. We should have done a better job
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  Speaker 2: on offense. It's not about blaming, but it's everybody involved
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  Speaker 2: with it. And And so, yeah, I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Other than being angry and disappointed, there were not that
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  Speaker 1: many things that Ohio State fans really all seem to
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  Speaker 1: agree about after the game on Saturday. But one of
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  Speaker 1: the things they did, linebacker Riley Pettyjohn, he needs to
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  Speaker 1: play more. That was something you saw and heard from
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  Speaker 1: pretty much every Ohio State fan you saw on the
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  Speaker 1: internet after that game on Saturday night. So, all right,
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  Speaker 1: is Riley Pettyjohn someone who needs to play more in
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day's eyes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say Riley will continue to play more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you see that. He's put himself in a situation where
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  Speaker 2: he's a unique player that just has the uncanny ability
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  Speaker 2: to slip blocks and make plays. And the more he plays,
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  Speaker 2: the better he's going to be. So when you look
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  Speaker 2: up there at our culture, it says competitive excellence, like
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  Speaker 2: make your play when your number's called. And how do
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  Speaker 2: you do that? Through physical reps and mental reps. And
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  Speaker 2: so the more Riley plays, gets these physical reps and
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  Speaker 2: continues to work on the mental part of it. He'll just,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be a competitive excellence and that's, that's
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  Speaker 2: for everybody. But you know, he's one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Last one here. And this was one of the questions
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  Speaker 1: that I was hoping to ask. Didn't get a chance
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  Speaker 1: to get and get called on, but it was right
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the game. Buckeyes have allowed Texas
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  Speaker 1: to get down to the one yard line. You got
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  Speaker 1: a minute 20 or so left. You got one timeout
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  Speaker 1: in your pocket. It's first and goal at the one.
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  Speaker 1: Does Ohio State let them score, even though that means
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  Speaker 1: giving up the lead, if the tradeoff is you have
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  Speaker 1: about a minute 20 with your offense to go back
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  Speaker 1: down and try and score and kick a game-winning field goal? Now,
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  Speaker 1: that's not an easy decision. Ryan Day, during the game, decided, okay,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to play defense. But did they think about it?
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  Speaker 1: Did they think about letting them score? Now, this is
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  Speaker 1: kind of interesting because he gives a results answer here.
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  Speaker 1: to what's really kind of a question that's more of
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  Speaker 1: a process question?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it didn't work. So the answer is yes. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if we win the game, then it would have been
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  Speaker 2: the right decision. And in the moment, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: make a hard decision. And I decided to try to
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  Speaker 2: hold the line. There's a lot that comes with that.
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  Speaker 2: Just saying, hey, let them score right there as the
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  Speaker 2: head coach of your team. I decided to make that
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  Speaker 2: call and ultimately, you know, love to have seen what
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  Speaker 2: it would have looked like if they would have scored,
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  Speaker 2: but made the decision. I was talking to him with
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  Speaker 2: Matt and that was the decision we made. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll have to think about it when it happens again.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed that bonus episode. We'll have more
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  Speaker 1: of those coming this week. Still plenty to talk about
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  Speaker 1: as the Buckeyes sort of try to turn the page
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  Speaker 1: after that loss to Texas. Still a lot of lessons
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  Speaker 1: definitely that they need to sort of put into practice
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  Speaker 1: this week as they turn the page, getting ready to
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  Speaker 1: take on the Kent State Golden Flashes at noon on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday inside Ohio Stadium. We will be there covering the
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  Speaker 1: Buckeyes and the Golden Flashes, have our usual pregame coverage,
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  Speaker 1: postgame coverage, lots of fun stuff coming for you all
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  Speaker 1: week long and this weekend at BuckeyeInsiders.com. and youtube.com slash
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