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Patriots Unfiltered 10/22: Browns Preview, Vrabel Presser/Reaction, Pats to Pro HOF Voting · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: cut there, Freddy, I did Dad jail Bobart down here
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  Speaker 1: in Fox in the morning Street you get fresh cuts?
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  Speaker 2: Look coming out, fred I didn't. I didn't notice you.
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  Speaker 2: I asked Todd Downing. This left you know. I had
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  Speaker 2: a chance to talk to Todd Downing last week. That
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  Speaker 2: was in the Espianism right now, I had a chance
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  Speaker 2: to talk to Todd Downing me in about thirty of
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  Speaker 2: my closest friends.
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  Speaker 1: Where were you watching the game, Brian, I'm at home
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  Speaker 1: just by yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, whether you or not game though,
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  Speaker 1: people coming in and out probably have been questioned for you. Yeah, Martin,
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  Speaker 1: there's something growing, there's something. Maybe it was garbage.
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  Speaker 2: The Browns are not pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: They have defense is number one in the league.
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  Speaker 2: The defense is good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, they're good. So they have two and five they
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  Speaker 1: have they have a superpower that can give you trouble.
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  Speaker 4: If they get to seventeen points, I'd be shocked.
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  Speaker 1: You and Bars live pants off? Pants on?
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  Speaker 4: I hope the pants stay on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, you're behind the desk. No one would know.
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at Jillette Stadium, and today,
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  Speaker 1: of course, is our turn the page day. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to turn the page to the number one defense in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, Cleveland Browns with Miles Garrett based off of
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  Speaker 1: what are they based on? That's what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. And then of course I'll have we'll have
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  Speaker 1: our Wednesday live press conference with Mike Rabel around twelve
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  Speaker 1: fifty five.
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  Speaker 2: I believe can confirm pants on, they were off. He
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  Speaker 2: just finished Catch twenty two. We do have the desk,
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  Speaker 2: Fred said, no one would know because you're behind the desks.
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  Speaker 5: After Catch twenty two. Sometimes I do feel like I
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  Speaker 5: need to like take a shower or something. Wow, like
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  Speaker 5: you just get really into weeds and you're just like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's it's it's tiring, cold shower, hot show.
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  Speaker 4: I just do cold showers.
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  Speaker 1: But I like, because you know, I come into the
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  Speaker 1: studio before they're done with Catch twenty two. So I
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  Speaker 1: catch the end of it, and you know, so the
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  Speaker 1: show's over. Evan's out ready to go, and Barth is
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  Speaker 1: still in here, and I hear, go, come on, Barth,
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  Speaker 1: let's go like that. It's just like two because.
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  Speaker 5: He's got he's got to pick up all of his craft.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know, he takes out the computer
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  Speaker 5: and then he takes out the charger and he has
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  Speaker 5: this whole thing. I'm like, why do you need the charger?
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  Speaker 5: Like it's two hours?
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  Speaker 6: It's not.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a ten hour show.
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  Speaker 5: Is the computer really going to die in the two
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  Speaker 5: hours that we're on the shows?
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot alone. He's got his ways of doing things.
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  Speaker 1: It does. I just I just hope if the Patriots,
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  Speaker 1: you know, do go to the super Bowl, against all odds,
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  Speaker 1: that that station is, you know, does the right thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be sleeping on the floor in my
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  Speaker 4: hotel and sends them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think we content wise could have some
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  Speaker 1: fun with him down there. Yeah, you send you out
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  Speaker 1: on the streets.
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  Speaker 4: On the streets, you could you could quiz.
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  Speaker 1: People, you could quiz people on X's and o's on
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  Speaker 1: the streets. So are you a football fan? Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's test your knowledge and then you start getting into it.
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  Speaker 4: But people, yeah, it's not it's not good.
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  Speaker 1: It would be good.
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  Speaker 4: I did that to just once and it was bad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I survived it though.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, anyway, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,
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  Speaker 1: it's Deuce, it's Alex and the Booth. And we are
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  Speaker 1: turning the page to the Clean Browns. We're done with
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  Speaker 1: the Titans. We've put them to rest. We've given the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the league the blueprint to beat this that
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  Speaker 1: one win team. And so now we move on to
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  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. How how do we score points against
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  Speaker 1: this defense? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Just keep playing the way Drake Mason playing. It's hard
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  Speaker 7: to say he won't move the ball and score some points.
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  Speaker 7: But I'm excited for this matchup. It's like I said,
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  Speaker 7: I think it's the best defense they've gone up against
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  Speaker 7: this year. Play a lot of man. You got Miles
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  Speaker 7: Garrett mostly plays on that right side over Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 7: They've got a number of pass rushers that they're going
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  Speaker 7: to rotate through Malie Collins, Mason Graham, among others that
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  Speaker 7: you know, are disruptive, and it's that you know Jim
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  Speaker 7: Schwartz thing with the wide nine.
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  Speaker 1: So you're doing your matchups, you know, quarterback blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: our offensive line versus their defensive line. Who wins that matchup?
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  Speaker 1: They probably their defensive line, I'd see right now, I
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  Speaker 1: would okay, our receivers versus their cornerbacks. Who wins that matchups? Receivers?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean wards are really good players, but they've
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  Speaker 4: struggled on.
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  Speaker 1: They swapped Newsome for our short passing game versus their
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  Speaker 1: short coverage game. Who wins that matchup? There? Then?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have good linebackers.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, our running game versus their defensive run stop browns
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  Speaker 1: brown Okay, so we're scoring about fourteen points is what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, like three, Well, so far they've we've only
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  Speaker 1: won one matchup.
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  Speaker 4: Offense, the most important one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, are created equal quarterback. We gave the edge to
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots quarterback right against who against their secondary?
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  Speaker 1: You just said in the short passing game they have
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  Speaker 1: short passing games. Okay, that's a quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: But the first one you said something about the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: and receivers against their secondary.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, and we also haven't mentioned the quarterback yet.
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  Speaker 1: I said our receivers versus their quarnerback.
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  Speaker 2: And we all gave the edge to the Patriots. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: because of Drake may right. Well, right, but I meant
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  Speaker 2: to speak for Evan and I said edge Patriots for that.
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  Speaker 1: But but you gave them the short passing game.
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  Speaker 2: The short passing game, yes, and that's no, I have
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  Speaker 2: no interest in not likely, No, I mean the short
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  Speaker 2: passing game.
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  Speaker 7: I think what stands out to me is this Browns
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  Speaker 7: team really flies to the ball and tackles.
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  Speaker 1: So we're not going to be able to run. We're
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  Speaker 1: not going to be able to throw the ball short.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I wouldn't say you're not going to be able
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  Speaker 5: to like this isn't the eighty five bear?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're exaggerating a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: You're giving them the edge.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think they have a pretty good defense. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: do pretty good. Yeah. No, I mean I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's the best. I mean, I know they use
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  Speaker 2: numbers that we all agree are not the best.
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  Speaker 4: Gauge the number one defense by yards.
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  Speaker 1: They're number one. Yeah, right, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not telling you this is not a good defense.
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  Speaker 2: This is a good defense, but even good defenses can
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  Speaker 2: get beat by good offense. When they played Detroit as
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  Speaker 2: an example, they get up thirty four, so Detroit a
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  Speaker 2: good offense, and they find a way. They don't just
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  Speaker 2: bomb away every play like they found a way to
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  Speaker 2: move the ball. Now, I think the biggest thing to
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  Speaker 2: score points in this game. You know, the key matchup
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  Speaker 2: to me is the does the Patriots defense finally take
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  Speaker 2: a bad offense and make it look bad, because that's
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  Speaker 2: what generally happens to the Browns defense. They're on the
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  Speaker 2: field too much. You just can't you can't hold everything
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  Speaker 2: the whole time. And I'm looking at their score by quarters,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's reasonably close every quarter, twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven to seventeen, they're out. They're outscored in every quarter.
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  Speaker 2: But twenty seven to seventeen in the first quarter, forty
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  Speaker 2: two to thirty three in the second, thirty four to
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  Speaker 2: thirty three in the third, all reasonably close, forty nine
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  Speaker 2: to thirty in the fourth. It's like you can only
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  Speaker 2: hold on so long. That tells that stat tells me
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  Speaker 2: that the defense plays well, and then you know, they
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  Speaker 2: get beaten down mentally by the fact that their offense
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  Speaker 2: can't move the ball, they're always chasing.
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  Speaker 1: What about time a possession?
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  Speaker 2: I can look that up for you.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, yeah, I would.
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  Speaker 7: I would just say, I think, don't turn the ball over,
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  Speaker 7: don't regress Drake May and give them fumbles, give them
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  Speaker 7: extra possessions, and that's when one of the ones. I
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  Speaker 7: think they could close the gap there. But they just
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  Speaker 7: played clean football for four quarters. I think they should
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  Speaker 7: get enough separation to win the game.
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  Speaker 5: So the only way they lose, the only way they lose
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  Speaker 5: this game is if it's a Pittsburgh Reducks and they
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  Speaker 5: turned the ball over a bunch of times. Because this
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  Speaker 5: Browns offense is not going to drive the field consistently.
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  Speaker 5: They really only had two scoring drives last week. They
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  Speaker 5: scored ten real points. The rest of it came off
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  Speaker 5: of turnovers or pick sixes.
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  Speaker 2: So, like I mean, just to illustrate that, sixteen seventeen, thirteen,
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  Speaker 2: ten seventeen nine.
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  Speaker 1: That's their scoring drives.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's the point totals in every game until last week,
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  Speaker 2: thirty one. And the reason for the thirty one continue.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they scored twenty one of their thirty one points
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  Speaker 5: off turnovers. One of them was an actual pick six
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  Speaker 5: and one of them was returned to the two yard line,
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  Speaker 5: so and then the other one was a fumble that
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  Speaker 5: they recovered in Miami territory.
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  Speaker 4: So they really had two drive.
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  Speaker 5: I've stay had one legitimate drive and Quinn John Jenkins
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  Speaker 5: hit a forty six yard touchdown, and so that that
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  Speaker 5: was the real offense, Like they had ten real points.
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  Speaker 4: They're in the game last week.
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  Speaker 1: Schwartz is their defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 7: He is He's good defense, super aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of those guys who tried to be a
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  Speaker 1: head coach but settled back to where his peak efficiency is,
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  Speaker 1: and that's being a defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 4: Very good.
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  Speaker 2: He's very He's a good defensive coordinator. But Josh Uh
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  Speaker 2: Josh was here in the Super Bowl and against the Eagles, right,
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  Speaker 2: Josh was the offensive coordinator and they had like seventeen
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  Speaker 2: five hundred yards of passing.
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  Speaker 4: Was that still Jim Schwartz?
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  Speaker 2: I think I think that was a Jim Schwartz defense.
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  Speaker 2: Am I wrong on that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that was one of those It was
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  Speaker 2: one of those that I get in trouble with when
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  Speaker 2: I go off the top of my dators and then
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  Speaker 2: Mike comes back and goes well, actually, Paul, that was
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  Speaker 2: a three four, you remember.
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  Speaker 5: I think that there's certain vulnerabilities in the Browns defense
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  Speaker 5: that really play into the strains the Patriots offense. I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, play action, moving the pocket, deep shots down
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  Speaker 5: the field. They've struggled with all those types of things.
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  Speaker 5: They're very, very aggressive defense. So if you get their
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  Speaker 5: eyes in the wrong places, then you can beat them
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  Speaker 5: down the field with you know, those types of tricks.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think this is one of those games
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  Speaker 5: where you want Drake made to drop back and pass
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  Speaker 5: thirty five times. But if you move the pocket, if
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  Speaker 5: you get them out on the edge, if you have them,
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  Speaker 5: you know, drop back pass just only a few times
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  Speaker 5: in the game.
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  Speaker 4: Traditionally.
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  Speaker 5: I think that there's ways to move the ball against
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  Speaker 5: the Browns in the through the air, like they're they're
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  Speaker 5: really good defense. They're only eleventh in drop back EPA.
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  Speaker 5: It's not like they're like, you know, number one across
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  Speaker 5: the board and everything. They're really stingy against the run,
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  Speaker 5: and they have a Hall of Fame player in Miles
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  Speaker 5: Garrett coming off the edge going up against a rookie
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  Speaker 5: left tackle. So if you have to as a as
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  Speaker 5: a staff, as a coaching staff, you have to have
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  Speaker 5: a real sound plan of how are we going to
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  Speaker 5: block ninety five? And it has to be every play
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  Speaker 5: like he has to be in the play call, every
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  Speaker 5: single time you call the play. There has to be
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  Speaker 5: some sort of bell and whistle that's accounting for Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 1: Does that limit you on offense? You know, because you're
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  Speaker 1: you're using that extra person, not.
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  Speaker 7: If you're preventing him from blowing your game plan up.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I think, I mean, I think it's worth
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  Speaker 7: the attention, Evan said, But I just think there's a
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  Speaker 7: number of storylines in this game that are interesting to me.
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  Speaker 7: Drake May going up against the best defense he's faced,
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  Speaker 7: Will Campbell against Miles Garrett. You know, the penchant for
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  Speaker 7: Dylan Gabriel to use his tight ends and backs underneath,
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  Speaker 7: and it's kind of attack he doesn't. They don't really
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  Speaker 7: have the downfield passing game, but Gabriel has been safe
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  Speaker 7: with the ball, and if Djoku plays, then they might
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  Speaker 7: challenge the Patriots and some of their weaknesses.
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  Speaker 2: Covering more than that, because I want to see the
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  Speaker 2: defense finally make one of these bad offenses look bad. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and those are some of the things that the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: are struggled with. Let's see, if you know, they've made
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  Speaker 2: some progress on it. To answer your question, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: about the time of possession, about even.
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  Speaker 1: Even yeah, thirty that's surprising.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty forty seven to twenty nine thirteen. I just think
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  Speaker 2: that you get beaten down when you can't score. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean sixteen seventeen thirteen, ten seventeen nine, that's the
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  Speaker 2: point totals in the first six games of the season. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you're playing defense, it's hard to go out there
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  Speaker 2: every drive and say, oh, we got to get the
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  Speaker 2: ball back for him again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It reminds me a little bit about of like the
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  Speaker 5: like twenty two ish Patriots, like the twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 5: like time Patriots, where you know, they really you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think this defense probably better than those Patriots defenses were.
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  Speaker 5: But you don't have a real passing game and your
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  Speaker 5: run game, your short quick underneath stuff, your screen game,
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  Speaker 5: your quick game, your tight ends, like that's that's where
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  Speaker 5: you're living offensively, and at some point, and I think
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  Speaker 5: we've seen it with Miles Garrett, like the frustration is
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  Speaker 5: starting to boil over from Miles Garrett look out where
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  Speaker 5: he's like, you know, swinging this is like we I
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  Speaker 5: have been here how many years and we still can't score. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and so every single game I play in, we're down
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  Speaker 5: fourteen points, and like, I think that that frustration is
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  Speaker 5: starting to boil over. He's had some comments in the
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  Speaker 5: media over the last like week or two that have
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  Speaker 5: been surprising to me. Like I thought maybe they were
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  Speaker 5: like AI or something, you know, like that are just
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  Speaker 5: coming out and saying like, you know, we don't score enough.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't get to pass rush with the lead,
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  Speaker 5: you know. I like they asked him about Joe Flacco
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  Speaker 5: and what he did in Cincinnati last week, and he
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  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, would have been nice, you know, Like it's.
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  Speaker 2: He was pretty bad with the BRI I mean he
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  Speaker 2: had a sixty passer rating for Cleveland and whatever many
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  Speaker 2: games that was five games. That's pretty bad. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: four games, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: So on the other side of the ball for Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: their offense, is this solely because they don't have a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback or do they just not have talent across the board.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they have a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I mean Jerry Judy I think is a is a
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  Speaker 7: good receiver, but it's a lot of it's it's young guys.
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  Speaker 7: It's Harold Fannin's a rookie that they're playing at tight
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  Speaker 7: end and he's you know, leading them in receptions.
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  Speaker 1: Najoku is right behind him. Quin Shawn Jenkins is another rookie.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, you're looking at a number of rookies,
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  Speaker 7: even on the defensive side of the ball as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's a young offense.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think Dylan Gabriel has the arm and talent
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  Speaker 7: to really consistently push it down the field. But he's mobile,
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  Speaker 7: and like I said, he hasn't made mistakes. He hasn't
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  Speaker 7: turned the ball over in the three starts that he's had.
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  Speaker 7: So going back to like our Patriot days of those
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  Speaker 7: when your offense is struggling, that's what you got to
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  Speaker 7: start there. If you don't turn the ball over, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you might give yourself a chance to Miles Garrett comes
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  Speaker 7: out here and blows by Will Campbell and it's a
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  Speaker 7: you know, scoop six and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 7: you know, changes the game. So that's what, like Evan said,
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  Speaker 7: you have to rely on that kind of.
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  Speaker 2: It's both though, like I mean the quarterback issues that
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  Speaker 2: Mike just talked about, they don't have many weapons. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think Judkins looks like a good, good rookie running back,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd be curious to see what Isaiah Bond looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, but that's I liked him.
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  Speaker 2: Coming out of reach to me is pedestrian at best,
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  Speaker 2: and he's by far and away the best wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: they have. I mean, there's no one really close Number two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's streaky though, Like he can have those games
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  Speaker 5: you know, where he comes out and he has one
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  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty yards and then they'll go away for
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  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. So he does have that capability.
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  Speaker 5: But I think it's the quarterback is the main thing.
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  Speaker 5: But their offensive line has also regressed from like the
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: Bill injuries, like peak Cleveland offensive line days with Nick Chubb,
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: and like those offenses, their tackles are not as good
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: as they used to be. Camer Robinson's having a tough
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: year at left tackle they had, Dewan Jones is hurt
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: at right tackles at the backup on right tackle, Bill
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Callahan's not there anymore. As we talked about last week,
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: with him in Tennessee. So it's not that line is
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: not as good as it has been. That used to
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: be one of the best offensive lines in football. You know,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: Chubb was really rolling, so they're not that anymore. So
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: I think it's all of it. But Gabriel is really
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: limited throwing the ball down the field over ten air yards.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: It's like thirty three thirty five percent completion rate on
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: deeper throws down the field.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: He really struggles in that area.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: If you make him push it down the field, if
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: you get him behind the chains, if you put him
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: behind on the scoreboard.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not just saying it because he's lefty, but it
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: reminds me a lot of Tua, Like I think there's
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of timing throws. He can be very accurate,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: but Ivan, yeah, just said, yes, he'll move around, but
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: when he's small, when you ask him to get to
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: push the ball downfield, he has a hard time.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think slippery.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't say like super fast, but he's very slippery,
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: Like he can get out of the pocket a little bit.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: But and they do run him on some like zone
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: read type stuff too, and incorporate him a little bit
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: in the boot the game and you know, run game
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: type stuff. But he's just see like I don't even
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: know if I would give him to a better player.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is a rookie just starting. Like I'm
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: just saying the style. I think he throws a lot
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: of anticipation, throws with accuracy and windows. He doesn't have
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle making big plays for him either.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I just don't think he can get the ball downfield.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think he has the arm strength to do it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: And I don't think too it does either.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the spread currently?
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I think there were seven something like, I don't know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: I think it was seven and a half.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I keep an eye on the Joku today on
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: the injury report to see what his status is. Like he's,
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: you know, I think a matchup problem. He's just a
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: big athletic guy.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Just I'd also just say I really liked Isaiah Bond, Like,
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: I just think he's explosive, kind of circled him before.
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: He had some off the Fiel issues in the draft
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: that dropped dropped him out of that. But him and
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: Judy breaking a tackle making a big play, you know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: those kind of things. Do you want to avoid those
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: in turnovers? Just don't allow signs of life, don't let
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: the complexion of the game change. We saw it last
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: week once the Patriots got a lead, it was kind
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: of over for that Tennessee offense. I think a similar
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: thing would happen this week, especially at home. Fans are
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: going to be jacked up. I mean, this team is
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: coming back on a roll. People are gonna want to
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: be here to see Drake May. I think that they
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: can capitalize on that energy right out of the gate.
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: Start fast on both sides of the ball, be really
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: good formula.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: I would really try to push the ball down the
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: field offensively early, like if you can draw up, you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: maybe put it, leave the tight ends in go seven
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: man protect, move the pocket, get them out, and throw
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: one of those bombs to you know, Booty or Douglas
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: or something like that, and just get points up on
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: the board as quickly as you can, because as soon
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: as you get this Browns team off schedule offensively, they're
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: going to be in trouble.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: If you u when the toss, you defer, get their
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: offense on. I would, yeah, get a major position on
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the field.
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: And just let the let the crazy fans who are
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: going to be amped for this game, you know, make
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: a lot of noise, make it tough on them right
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: out of the gate, try to get that immediate advantage
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: by forcing a punt. I think it'd be a great way,
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: great way to start. I just the Patrios to re
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: establish that every game, yes, every game weather.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be a little chilly.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, by the way, is Patriots by seven, but
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I'd say this is ten.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: This is a good game to continue that, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: step for the Patriots of research your dominance at home.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: You know, sorry, I was getting on a fund for
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: riffing there, No, no, just you know this is you
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: know they've been great on the road, but that's you
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: got to beat teams like this at home. Like this
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: has to be the no brainer games where this is
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: an overmatched team, you're streaking, you're playing well, don't regress
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: at home. Establish this place as a play place that's
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: hard to play and a place that you want to
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: play in the playoffs, and make it hard to play.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I think this game and I again, I said this
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: last week about the Titans, and I'm not trying to
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: be disrespectful, like this is how good is Drake May
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: against the Browns defense? This is not like the Browns
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: are going to come in here and win this game
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: like this Brown's offense is not going to win this
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: game like they they don't have it horses to do it. Like, yeah,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Judkins can like break like a forty five yard run
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: like he did last week, but if you don't turn
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: the ball over five times, like that's all that they had.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Like you know, in the entire game, who's.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Got the better offense? The Titans or the Browns.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: The thirtieth and I think they're thirty first and thirty second.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I think in all sincerity, right, that's how bad they are.
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'd probably take the Browns just because
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: of Judy and then Djoku.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I take the Titans because I think cam Wood's better
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: than doing it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I might be with Paul because of
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: cam Warden.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: That's fair. Okay, what about the special teams matchup? I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: hear the Browns is horrid.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, they're they're bad on special teams.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I think, yep.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: I think that that's another area like it just there's
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: just not a lot of areas in this matchup.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: That favor Cleveland. There really isn't.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Friend Buba not getting the job done.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Freddie Well, I guess not giving it the personnel.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I would have no idea.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I leave that to you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, if there was like an angle, it might be
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: a little bit like more interesting. But like I I'm
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: sure Rabel also has a ton of institutional knowledge of
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: this Browns team. And you know, he's a very like
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: observant person, so I'm sure the fact that he was
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: in their building for an entire year last.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: Year is especially their offensive line.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be worth watching, you know
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: how much they they're kind of on it, and you
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: know we've talked a lot about their defensive struggles early,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Like does that help that he kind of knows this
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Brown's offense inside and a good point and maybe they
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: can start a little faster on defense.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: And when Stefansk you're going to scheme up on offense,
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: and are they you know, starting to anticipate and be
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: ready for those kind of things.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: So going back to the special teams, I was thinking
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: on one of my drives up here, when I have
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of time to think aside from the actual
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: punter or kicker, if you if you have a bad
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: special teams unit on coverage, whether it's cut kicks or punts,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it's coaching. Yeah, because all these athletes that are on
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: these special teams you and it's they're about the same,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, they're all the guys that they're they're all
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: decent athletes that came out of college, and it's how
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you coach them. It's how well they play and motivate them.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It's how well they play on coverage units. And if
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you're bottomly, it's coaching. To me, it's not roster I agree.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's not a place where there's a lot
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: of talent. I mean maybe you could say Matthew Slater
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: is a kind of player.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you get those outliers, little extra talent.
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, but I mean really it's you know, this
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: guy didn't stay in his lane and that's why they
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: but you know, he just wasn't fast enough. Like it's
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: it's really more of a team situation, I guess. But
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: would you say, what would you say about the punters
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: and the kickers, like how much how reflective.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Is so now now you get into an individual athlete.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that has anything to do with coaching, right,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I never blame the special teams coach when a kicker
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: misses a field qual Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Right, unless it's just operational time after time, then you're
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: not coaching. They're not you know, I don't know the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: reps aren't there or whatever. But if it's operationally bad
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: then and.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, what about punter though, Like would you put any
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: coaching on that?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: No, like, because the.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: Actual punting, it's that we needed that one out of
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: bounds or we needed this, you know, like there is
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: some like direction we need this yet, But I blame
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: but I.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Blame the punter for not punting it where we're supposed
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: He'll do it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Assuming the coach told him what to do, right, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I do. I go into it like you know when
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: they when it's fourth down, I assume that the coaches say,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: we need to get the first down here, right, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: like that to me is the same, Like I'm being
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: dead serious. I know the specialists, I'm with Fred, but.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: The punter can't say, well, you're not putting me in
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a position to succeed. I'm sorry, I'm asking you to like, you.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Know, like when you're when you're lining up for a
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: plus fifty punts and you hit it into the stands.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's because the coach didn't tell you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You know, we were trying to pin him inside the tent,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: right right, So when Marcus Jones returns one eighty eight
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: yards and then the next time you kick it right
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: down the middle of the field, right to Marcus Jones,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I have a hard time blaming the coach for that.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: One thing I will say about special team stats is
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: when you look at the separation of like tenth to fifteenth,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's sometimes it's not very large. You know, somebody
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: has to be the worst and somebody has to be
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the best based on stats. But sometimes those stats, even
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: then could be deceiving. You know.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: I think it's interesting. You know, this is we're on
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the subject the.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Room, all right, the kick return.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Now he's driving home school.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I should have stayed.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Well, he's he's waiting for rips that the kickoff return.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Has kind of been a dud. It's kind of been
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: a dud.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Like it's it's working in the sense that there are
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: definitely more returns. Uh, the returns are up across the board,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: but the return average and the amount of big returns
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: that they're getting. There's only been one kickoff return for
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: a touchdown. It was Antonio Gibson and we too in
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: the entire NFL. So like it's really it's worked in
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: the sense that the balls in play.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: They're physically returning more kicks by the numbers aren't with them.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: They thought, this is what we talked about it. Like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I hate the term dynamics.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Who's the best DNA in the NFL right now?
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: The best return the kickoff returner Jamal Agnew probably, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: like he's I think that man, Tampa, I want to say, yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I just so my my hypothesis in asking that question
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: is we don't have any great athletes right now returning kicks.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Like, oh, I disagree with that, Okay, I mean there's
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: great athletes across the league.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Tell me, you know, but who is the uh you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the great of our era kick right now? Yeah?
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I mean I suppose yeah, like Corridoro Patterson's you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: not playing right now, so I guess like he's out.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: But like I mean, I don't know, like you watched
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: for the league and you don't think that, Like the
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: skill position players have great talent.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: They do a lot of teams that I don't know
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the answer to this. I'm asking do a lot of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: teams use their first string guys? Are they willing to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: risk them on kicks? The injuries are in the league now.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: Not necessarily, But I don't think that that's the main issue.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: I think the main issue is that the play is
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: a lot harder to block than they anticipated. And Jeremy
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Springer talked about this, I think it was last week
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: in his press conference that you know, it's like five
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: yards of separation between the guys that they're blocking in
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: the in the ball right, so like it happens so
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: quickly and there's a lot of space that you have
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: to be able to block the guy and he could
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: go around you either way. It's a really hard block
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: to execute.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, I have a can I pick? It is something
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: with Okay, I just curious You're you're fixating on the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: returners and they're not the the athletes who would you
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: consider in recent time, like say the last fifteen to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: twenty years the best returners.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know, is that to Kobe from the
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: Ravens that Jones, Kobe Jones.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Kobe Jones, he'd be he'd be an example, Devin Hester
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: not stop like it's so it's not like the teams
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: are not risking their frontline players now because of injury
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and they used to do it before. It's the same
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: caliber of returners. I think there's some differences of opinion
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: in terms of body types for punts and kicks now
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: because of the stuff that Evan's talking about with.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: The closed quarters.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Springer has talked about liking a running back as
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: opposed to you know, a defensive back or a wide
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: receiver because of the size and the ability to break
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: tackles and whatnot. I have a revolutionary I don't think
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of frontline players that over the years
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: returning kick.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I have a revolutionary tactic that special teams could incorporate
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to block these. So here's how it works, right, So
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: kick as happens, no one can move until the kicker
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: has the ball. Right at that moment, the return team
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: gets up from their stance or from the line, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: instead of engaging with the guy, they all act like vices.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: So they go down the field with the player, they
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: mirror the player, and they don't engage until a certain point. So,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in other words, they're not holding their block a distance.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: They're holding their block closer, and it gives the returner
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: more options, you know what I'm saying. So that the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: blocking doesn't start until further down the field.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Well, there's just a lot.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: It's a bunch of vice guys running with gunner.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: You can't vice anymore.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: So, like I'm not saying that you get together, but
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: like it's a bunch of guys mirroring guys down the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: field and then at some point they turn and engage
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and and the runner.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So treat it more like a punt.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Treat it more like a punt.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So you think punts have better return, but this is different.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: This is different.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: That would make it harder because you have ten guys
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: to deal with instead of two.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: On punts, you can start running the moment it's punted.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: That's why it would be harder on a kick with
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: ten guys down there instead of two. Now there's only
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: two guys that can that can go down there, just.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Like now does the new kickoff. I just think that
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: it's the coverage team and the return team, the blockers
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: in the like zone that they're set up in. Yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: they're too close together, right, it's too hard to back
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: the block.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That's what that's my point.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: And so now it's like literally like getting to like
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: the thirty is like good job. Like if you return
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: it to the thirty or further down, like that's considered
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: a successful return, Whereas I think the league thought that
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: there was gonna be big returns off of this.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: The only other thing I would say is that the
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: rules don't really allow you to double team or vice
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: as you were talking about, like as much. There's like
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: all sorts of rules against it now because the player safety.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: So like since you can't like form a wall like
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: they used to be able to that, you can't really
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: like do that anymore. So now it's literally just like
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: nine to one on ones right across the board, right,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: and so it's just like the defense is actually you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: the coverage team is the one that's actually building the wall,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: and it's just there's not enough space. And so so
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: like now that these returns is just running into a
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: brick wall. And I don't think the play is that exciting,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Like it's in play, but it's just not that exciting.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Last thing on this like they don't really do anything fancy.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people thought that the returned units.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: They would try reverses, they would try to throw back.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I did see it reverse the other night. I haven't
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: seen the throwback. Ye, someone did a reverse in one
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of the games that I watched. It didn't work.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: But even the reverses don't really work from that distance,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because like if you said,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: if the coverage team is building a wall, they see
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it all in front of them happening and you can react.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I thought that they would, that some of
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: these coordinators would maybe get a little bit more creative
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: with how they return it. But I think what's happened
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: is is that like the risk is not worth the
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: reward unless it's like a certain situation, because if there's
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: a ball security issue, if you put the ball on
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: the ground like that, that's worse than just getting to
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: the twenty five yard line and putting your offense on
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: the field. So I don't know, it just hasn't worked,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: But I do like.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: The fact that it's gotten the ball and play more.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Like there are more returns.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: So you can't argue that, yeah, returns the way up.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: The number of actual returns is up.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's that opportunity of something to happen, so
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: at least it's it's worth watching, you know, like something
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: could happen.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I love it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: I think that like the fact that I have dissected
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: it as much as I have, I think tells you
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: that it's like a real play.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Now it's worked.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: It's a play that you have to like factor into
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: things because now with like the dirty kicks too, like
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: you can really pin teams like you can you can
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: get teams down inside the twenty yard line and put
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: them on long fields. Like it's a lot of teams
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: are that are good at it have done really well
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: with that. So it's kind of like a strategy thing now, all.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Right, A five to five Pats five hundred special teams
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: talk about is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Is the email address again, Mike Rabel coming up at
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: about twelve fifty five. We'll break at that point and
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: feed him live to you. So I want to get people, uh,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: find out what their thoughts on the Cleveland Browns are,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: if they have any. So let's open it up. We'll
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: start with old friend Christian in La. What's up Christian?
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: Good you guys. Well, before I get to my football stuff.
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna go straight at Paul. Paul, Captain cranky. Captain Cranky.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: It seems like every time I call, I make my point,
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: you immediately disagree with the point, and then for the
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: rest of the show slowly agree with the point.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: Every single time.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: So let's see if today you do the same thing.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's hold on a second. What was
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the What was the point that you made that I
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: disagreed with when you called most recently, and then I
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: eventually agreed with it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: I said that I felt like the team might just
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: be a paper tiger, like we play some teams that
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: aren't there great. Everyone's talking and I.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Woudn't possibly disagree with that more.
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: Getting there, Wait a minute, us getting there, and you said,
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: I disagree, ve Emily, I think this team is going
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: to be okay. If you got to the playoffs, would
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: we worry? And then the rest of the show all
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: you did was say, well, we got to talk about
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: the other story. We haven't really played anyone. You know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: this team, we haven't proven on those yet.
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: It's not the same thing.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: It's not the same thing. You think that they're not
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: very good. I'm not saying anything I'm saying. If why
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: would you be upset at five and two? You were
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: upset that they were five and two because they don't
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: beat anybody. That's what I disagreed with. And you're worried
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: about losing the first game of the playoffs and losing
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a draft pick, which you actually talked about on Sunday.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You're talking about getting the worst draft pick.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Who cares.
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: I wasn't upset about them winning. I wasn't upset about
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: them winning. What what I said was, I'm glad that
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: we want everything looks good.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: My greatest fear, yes, is that And that's that's the
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: part I disagreed with. Why you're worrying about draft picks
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: instead of worrying about getting better every week, that's the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: part I don't understand, and I disagree with that when
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: you said it, and I disagree with that. Now I
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: didn't change my view on that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: Well, what I said and what you said with the
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: same thing, the team might be a little bit of
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: a rated right now, Well.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: That I didn't say that, so you're know we're not
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: saying the same thing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: You literally said. We got to go on the other
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: side and make sure we're talking about the team hasn't
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: really played an the one yet, and I'll schedule Basedaw,
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: that's that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: That's not the same thing as saying they're overrated.
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: Paper Tiger doesn't mean over rated. It means that we're good,
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: but we might not be as good as everyone thinks
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: we are.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Point the definition of thank you, Fred question, try today.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'll give you credit, I'll give you you good effort.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I actually said, he's worried that they're going to lose
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the first playoff game and therefore get a better a
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: worse draft pick as a result than they should.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You there like the same.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I know, but a postgame show a postgame show, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I just like I went on a rant. So it's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: just like they're five and two. They won four games
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: each of the last two years. They're five and two,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and we're worried about not quite being as good as
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: our record. Maybe they're not, But like, I don't understand
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: why you worry about it. Why would that bother you
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: Uh?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Because I got news for you. You're just playing teams
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: like this the rest of the way. You get a
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: couple of you know, you got Buffalo again, you got Baltimore,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: who I assume will be in a better spot when
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: they play them down the road that they are now. Okay,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: there's not many teams that you won't be able to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: compete with. I don't know why you would look at
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the playoff pitcher in the AFC right now and say,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how we're gonna I don't know how
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be able to sack up against Indianapolis. I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: don't know how we're going to end up playing if
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: we have to, if we have to play the Chargers,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: with the Broncos, we got no shot, Like, I don't
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: know why you would spend time worrying about that right now.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That's the part I disagreed with. Instead of worrying about
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: draft picks for next year, worry about you know, can
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Drake may continue to stack these games the way he
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: has the last month? Can he can he even be
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: better than this? A lot of people who analyze the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: tape from the Tennessee game think he left some plays
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: on the field, like like Evan was talking about yesterday,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: could he be even better than this? Why didn't you
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: spend time being excited about that instead of worried about
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Chris draft In seventeenth in step job.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know what your motivation was for the call,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: but if it was to get onto Paul's skin, good job.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I think the one Patriots fans are just so insufferable
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: sometimes I think the one concerned.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Now he's but let's go.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Like last year, the Commanders like Jaden Daniels plays out
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: of his mind as a rookie and gets them to
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: the NFC Championship game. Now he's had some injuries this year,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: they haven't like been as They really just haven't across
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: the board Ben as good and like, so my whole thing,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: big picture is not like draft picks.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: It's just like how do you keep it going right?
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Like how do you how do you keep it going
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: even past this season? You know, if they continue on
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: this path, they go to the playoffs and like how.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Do we you know, to go back?
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Like how do you avoid like the twenty twenty two
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Mac Jones Patriots And he's much better than Mac. But
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: like that whole thing, you know, I think the Commanders
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: are coming back down to earth this year, and a
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: lot of that's because Daniels has been hurt, but like
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: some of it is because Daniels has been hurt. Some
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: of it's because maybe they overachieved.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: For sure, probably would have been pissed if he was
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: a Washington fan because they went all away to the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: NFC Championship game. It's the difference if you don't win
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: I just felt like when they were here for the
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: joint practice, and I know McLaurin didn't didn't practice, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: that's a big factor. When I looked at the two
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: teams on the field though, Like I didn't think the
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: talent gap was all that big between the Commanders and
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: the Patriots. And that was a team that was just
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: in the NFC Championship Game the year before.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It's an example of a team that got carried by
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: its quarterback.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Right, And I'm worried this team carried by its quarterback.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Well okay, but that's different about sustainability and getting better
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: and continuing like just this, Oh whoe is me? Like
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: we're not going to get a draft pick? Like I
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: guess basically, everybody is entitled to feel the way they feel. Okay,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I said that all the time, So I'm not attacking
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Christian for feeling the way he feels. What I would
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: take exception to is that somehow he interpreted that after
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the call like it was a shtick, Like I just
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: disagree with Christian when he calls, and then a half
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: hour later I was with him. I'm not with you.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I've never been with that that line of thought. I
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: will never be with Like when you're when you're a
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: fan of a team and they're winning games. Yes, you
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: recognize the flaws and the faults and you hope that
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: they improve on those, right, right, But I would rather
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: lose than go to the playoffs so I can get
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: a better draft pick.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans have I've never said
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that I had. I think a lot of fans have
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: this notion that if you have a low draft pick,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you can't improve, Like if you finish well and pick
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: low classes work out for him, right, that that's just
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: not true. If you have a good personnel department, you
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: can still get good guys at the bottom of the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: first round, bottom of the second round, and you can
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: do well in free agency. And by the way, if
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you're a better team, more free agents want to come
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to you play with you.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: So it's you can improve, you can, But.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, you were with them a little bit Like if
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: I'm Washington, the analytics guys.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Raft that's right, draft picks.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: It's twofold, though, like one like just looking at it realistically,
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: like Washington spend a bunch of money in last off season,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: They're not going to go out and spend a bunch
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: more money. It's just not how ownership in any sport
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: works when you have an off season spending spree.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I agree, don't expect you don't expect to repeat what
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the Patriots did this year in the off season correct
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: next year.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: So you're not going to be big spenders in free agency.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: And your roster wasn't as good as it looked. Your
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: quarterback had an unbelievable season, so like the commander has
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: had more holes on their roster than it looked because
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels was that good. So now if you're Washington.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it works for twenty years.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: It was great to go to the NFC championship game.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: I am sure you went to the NFC Championship game.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: You got your doors blown off of you, and now
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: you're three and four of the following year because your
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: roster wasn't really all that good.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Well so well wait a minute, now, hold on, is
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the roster worse than it was last year. No, okay,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: so why there's another reason why the quarterbacks hurt. That's
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: why the record is what it is.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But Evans larger point is they weren't as good as
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: twelve and five within No I.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Know, but if you have a great quarterback, you can
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: overcome that. And while you're overcoming it with your quarterback,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you can get incrementally better every year. But I would
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: argue doesn't mean you have to have a top five
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: pick every year.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying top five.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I'm just I would argue that Jaden Daniels could have
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: had a great year as a rookie and they could
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: have had like the eighteenth pick in the first first
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: round of the draft instead of picking at the bottom
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: of the first round of the draft.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: He'd have still been hurt this year and they would
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: have problems.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: I guarantee you their GM would have said it wouldn't
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: have been the worst thing in the world.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: The quarterback because he wants to have draft pick. But
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Daniel going to be good.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I don't care who we're talking about injuries like you can't.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: We are because that's the that's the current state of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that team.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think that they would be I don't think
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: that's the only reason. I don't think that's the only reason.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think Daniels has played as well when he's
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: been healthy. But I would also say maybe.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: He's not that good.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: We have to do that because if he's like elevating
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: the he's elevated.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Think but I thought that last year when I got
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: when I got laughed at you.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: He's elevating the roster last year to an insane level.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: You can't expect even the great quarterbacks to do that
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: every single year. So like, at some point you can't,
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, quarterbacks, yes you can.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You can't, though maybe Mahomes can. But that's a hard
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: way to do it. Brady did it for years that
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: there's a select group that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: You are great.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Drake quarters are going to be
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: those guys yet. I mean they've only played two seasons,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: not even two seasons yet. I just think that there's
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I also think there's a huge thing in Washington like
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: a year ahead, like like it's a slow it's a
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: slower build than that. So it's why it's very common
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: in sports to take a step to two steps forward
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and one step back. It's a common thing in all sports. Yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that it happens all the time. Exactly why you haven't
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: said because maybe you won more games than you probably
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: should have.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: What do we say in particularly, what did we say
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: before the season even started about the commander?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: We thought that they would take a step back because
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: but my biggest reason was was two fold. Number one
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: ever mentioned it, but it kind of glossed over. They
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: were a mess in the summer with Terry McLaurin. That
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: whole situation was not an ideal way to go about
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: business heading into a season. That was a completely avoidable
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: mistake that they had. And oh, by the way, McLaurin
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: has been hurt, which I don't think is a coincidence.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: When you don't do anything all summer, you end up
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: getting hurt early in the season, and now you got
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: your quarterback and your best offensive player hurt. But the
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: other thing is all of those games you win on
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the last play of the game, that's there's a regression
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: to the mean. That's inevitable. Fools when you do that.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: That's five games they had five touchdowns in the last
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds, five go ahead touchdowns. Do you know how
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: hard that is? I'll tell you it's never happened before.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: That's how hard it is, Like there's no way that
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: you can possibly replicate that. That's why I thought they
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: would take a step back.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: It was fool's gold, and so like it's I just
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: feel like maybe there's something to be said for like
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: taking smaller, incremental steps. And I'm not telling the Patriots
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: to go purposely out go out and lose games to
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: do that, but I'm just saying.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Like the winning is good.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: The period the Commanders got they would have won any ways, though,
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Like they still would have won to an acceptable level,
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: but the way that they did it ended up actually
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: kind of hurting them in the long n Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I mean you could make that argument. I wouldn't.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I think that they the benefit that they get from
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: going the NFC championship vastly outweighs being ten spots later
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: in the draft. In my view, I'm with it, Fred
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: on that one hundred percent. I understand what your point is.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: I just don't if you're not going to spend the
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: money in I'm not where's the talent come?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: But the draft? Why can't you draft? Just like why
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: did Belichick do it all the time?
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Belichick didn't do it all the time.
• 44:17
  Speaker 12: I can.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I can show you from two thousand and one to
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve when he did it all the time.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: What about the Steelers parentally a winning team, yet they
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: were picking thirty seconds all the time?
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Have not all the time?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I mean Logan Magas thirty two.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Richard Seymour not thirty two. Hey, that's the very first game.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: But like that, once they got good, I said, he
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: continued to draft at a high level. You're getting like
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Dan Copens and the Santi Samuels in the middle rounds. Yes,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: it's really Eugene Wilson. You know that they had a
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: lot of good players that they picked, not with top
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: draft picks.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: That's really hard to do.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: But he did it for twelve years.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Bill did it good. He did.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: That's why he's going to the Hall of Fame.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: So like, let's just.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Not give these guys and out and say, well, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I would liked to have drafted, but instead of picking eighteenth,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I have to pick twenty.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Not giving them it out.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: You just are acting like it's so easy to go
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: find Pro Bowl players in the third and fourth round
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: of the draft when it's not. Like it's not that
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: it's just just good, okayt Samuel.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: It's a pro bowler like Eugene Wilson, Dan Copen, just okay.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: But it's just not that easy. It's not that easy.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I think this is all a result of Christian's call.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: So good job Christian.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in retrospect, i'll give Christian, you know, no,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: in all serious I'll give him not because he spurret
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: them well and you have Evan on your side. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: just I mean, he doesn't want to whom to show.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: The way to top five pick.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: It's just like there's this happy media here. Look at
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: the Detroit Lions, like the Lions took stepping stones.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: They're bad. In Dan Campbell's first year then they were medio.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And you're saying if that first year, you know, lightning
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: struck and they made it to the NFC Championship, they
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: To because they wouldn't have Jamiir Gibbs.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Forget the first Jack Campbell, they wouldn't have Brian Branch,
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: they wouldn't have Sam Laporta, like, they wouldn't have all
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: these pays.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know what else could I really don't know
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: why they wouldn't have had all of those players. But anyway,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't have had the first year if they were
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: a three win team. So we're not talking about the
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: first year. We're talking about the second year. Okay, the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: second year they went nine to eight.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Could they have easily gone ten and seven, made the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: playoffs and made a run just like the Commanders did. Yeah,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: that could have happened, and that would have been a
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: bad thing.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying it would have been a bad thing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying that in retrospect, it ended up working
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: out for them in terms of sustainability a little bit better. Like,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: that's how you get Gibbs, that's how you get Campbell,
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: That's how you get those guys in there.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Like if you don't, but if you don't it is
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying is you you're making it out to
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: be a zero sum game, Like in order to get
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Gibbs is not a great example because he was a
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: was he like twelve? Yeah, so maybe you don't get Gibbs,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: but you can get Sam Laporta, and you can get
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Jack Campbell, and you can get some of the other
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: guys that are centerpieces of their team as opposed to
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, like, you don't have to, but you have
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: to hit the pick. But you don't have to have
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: a high pick to hit the pick. You have to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: hit the pick when you make it. Whatever it is.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: You got to get good players. They used to be
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: able to do that. They haven't been able to do
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it more recently. I agree with you, that's the only
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: way to build a championship roster because you can't just
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: do it in free agency every year, no one, No
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: one does that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I agree with Evans's point. I just disagree that if
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: they had won another game or two, we'll forget Sam Laporta.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: No, like you could still draft good.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Player Mayor Gibbs, who's like jam Gibbs back in the NFL.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Jamiro Gibbs. They got because they had the two picks, right,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: they had the.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Two picks, but they used they had extra draft, they
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: had extra capital, and they made a move. They moved
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: up slightly though it was like right, but in the
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: middle you can do that so like twelve eleven.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not like he was, you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: like Jamar Chase.
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: Well that's the Evans dream scenario, right, like that, Like
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: you know you're like, well, ye.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Kind of.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: I don't need to go up that I know, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: I'm enjoying that they're winning games and all that good stuff.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: But I just I don't know, like I understand both
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: sides of it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know what.
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: Talent.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to say it again. I mean, this
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: is what Christian was talking about. They did it. I
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: guess I know, Christian, I'm being dead serious here. I
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: think I might I'll step back. I maybe I didn't
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: look at it the way.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: Wait, you should let these two draft because if you're
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: drafting thirtieth in the first round, they'd find the guys.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't say I would.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: It's not my job, okay, but that's not like you
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: look at any of the teams across the board.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Who does it consistently?
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Bill did it consistently and built a dynasty that is
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: the greatest dynasty in the history of sports.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: So that's the that's Baltimore has done it pretty consistently.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh has done it well. I mean, I'm
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: not telling you every pick at the home run.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: It's in the middle of the round. Every year they're
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: nine and eight.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: They're a playoff team. Every year, So they picking in
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: the bottom twelveeenth, bottom fourteen. Now because they expanded the playoffs,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: they're picking in the bottom fourteen somewhere, So they're picking
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the second half of the round. Like, you don't have
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Nine and eight.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: You said that was the biggest difference for the Detroit
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: or that's what I mean. Ninety eight doesn't get you
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: in the.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: Top anders who picked what twenty eighth, twenty ninth in
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: the first round because they went to the NFC championship.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Game because they made a run once they got in
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the play Well, they were twelve and five.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: That's a good record. That's why they picked late when
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: they did. But I mean, we're advocating going from twenty
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: eight to eighteen. That's the difference. Again, I just don't
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: believe that that's the difference between getting Sam Laporta and
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: not not Sam Laporta, but getting Jet Campbell.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: Like all these guys that are picked in the top
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: twenty every year, Like there's a big discrepancy between the
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: guys that are picked inside the top twenty and outside
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: the top twenty.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's the how come the Jets suck bad
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: draft of it. Okay, they picked low every year and
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: they draft poorly, and a lot of teams we can
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: use that as an example for any team. I don't know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: it's how you draft. It's not where you draft.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: Fred you can't just draft at the bottom of the
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: first round and expect to find the pillars of your
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: organization down there. Like that's not like, that's not how
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: going to happen. Like I look at this stuff every
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: single year, like for six months. You're not going to
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: just find you know, Penny School at thirty two overall, Like,
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: that's not going to happen.
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: No, and the Patriots turnaround has been largely predicated.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: On drafting Christian Gonzalez, Will Campbell.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: That's where the talent has finally.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez is one of those guys in the middle
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: of the round that's you can get, not twenty ninth, seventeenth.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I'll leave you on that, all right, we haven't. You
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: just did a Belichick and you're just leaving more than one.
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: He's gonna walk to the press coverage just mumbling to himself,
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: what service I'm moderate.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: That he's really upset.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I just really I didn't want to chime in and
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: break up the flow. I know, I want to let
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the flow.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: You guys were I mean, he was fine, But I
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: mean also the question I have is is their institutional
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: value from going to an AFC.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I said, from a conference championship.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: You know how from that experience, you're going.
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: To lose draft You're going to you know, lose draft status.
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: But you know, what is the organization view as And
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: I'm sure that there's a bottom line component financially of
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: making aid of the conference championship game too.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: But no, that was great stuff.
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: No, and I know that it's going to sound like
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: it sounded like it's disingenuous. This is what the point
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: that Christian was making that I disagreed with, and obviously
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Evan disagrees with it too. My only thing with what
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Christian was saying that I took exception to today's call
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: is that he claims somehow that I changed my view
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: a half hour later. I don't. I still you don't
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: maintain I want to win. I think winning is good
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and I think losing is bad. I don't think that's
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: that controversial of a take.
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there were two things though, I was I was
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: thinking about. Is that We talk all the times about
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: the free agency, the big free agent class, and then
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: there's usually a regression to the mean the next year,
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: regardless of who it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Was, because you're not going to go back into that
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: market and invest the same way nobody does.
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: But even the guys that you maintain, it's like asking
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: Bobby Wagner at whatever he is, thirty five to can
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: you know, continue to play at a high level. And
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: the other thing is like, and that'm it's just Jayden
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: Daniels is more experienced, Like I think there's a big
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: difference between you know him year one, year two than
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: Drake May where you feel like this is the first
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: time Drake has had an offensive coordinator to you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: or I'm sorry that he's getting into a system that
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: he's used to and you know, hopefully can have some
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: continuity between this year next year, which was the biggest
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: problem in twenty two.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: When you rip that from Matt and you.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Can nitpick a little bit, you know, with Washington and
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: say like, well did they do did they make the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: right personnel moves around their young quarterback to get better?
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: And maybe I don't know enough about their roster building
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: from last year to this year to honestly be able.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: To get the wise Jonathan Jones. But like I'm talking
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: about the draft, I don't know who they drafted.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I don't know their draft class,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: you know, off the top of my head, I would
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: say another similar kind of organization would be Houston. Houston
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: got the rookie quarterback and CEJ Strout, who I think
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: is terrific, and I still think he's terrific. Did they
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: do enough around him? You know, they went year two,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: they won the division again, but he took a step back.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: They weren't as good offensively because the offensive line wasn't good.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Then they went out and they really didn't go hogtail
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: and invest in the offensive line. They kind of waited.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: They got a kid who looks okay but hasn't been
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: a world beater. I think Ursery, right, yea, arin't they
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: draft him? Did I get that right?
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: Now?
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: You get the name right?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they get so. Again, I don't know
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: enough about each step of the team building process that
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: those teams made, but that to me would be the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: fear I would worry about moving forward. Will they do
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: enough with the young quarterback to take the next steps
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: so you go from being a playoff team to a
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: title contender. And I agree with Christian, I don't think
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: this is a title contending roster right now. But that
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you can't win games. Yeah, I think
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Houston's a good example two of that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: Just because you know a team like the Patriots, Drake
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: May have in a great season right now, it doesn't
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: mean the trajectory is like this year you make to
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: the first round of the playoffs. Next year you're going
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: to be in the divisional run, and then after that
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: you're like, you know, it's not that kind of and
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: Houston's a great example of that, Like it's it's hard
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: to keep it all together on that street.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: The last thing Fred on this isil piggybacking on Mike's point.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: There's nothing guaranteed, Like I don't know what it's going
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: to look like next year for the Patriots. I don't
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: know what Drake May is going to look like next year.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I know right now he's played at an exceptionally high level.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So I want that to continue, and I want them
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: to continue winning games, and I want them to make
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: a run. And if they do, that's great. If they don't,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I'll hope that it.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Wasn't fool's goal, right, yeah, right, right.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And I'll hope that they can get better, but I
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: don't know what it's not guaranteed next year.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Let's let's hit the phones. Going to do it quickly
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: because we might have to cut you off for variable.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: But first we'll start with HERM in d C. What's up? Herm?
• 55:00
  Speaker 14: What's going on?
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Guys?
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: How you doing good?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Going great?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You gotta be quick most.
• 55:07
  Speaker 14: An observation, yeah, question. So the discourse around the defense, right,
• 55:13
  Speaker 14: I mean we have to I believe the top five
• 55:15
  Speaker 14: scoring defense in the entire NFL, and I believe Mike
• 55:19
  Speaker 14: referenced yesterday how Spencer Ratler and can work crops this up.
• 55:23
  Speaker 14: I mean there's a little the context was there, right,
• 55:25
  Speaker 14: Spencer Ratler was the number one high school quarterback coming
• 55:28
  Speaker 14: out and it went to OU and Kim Ward. It's
• 55:31
  Speaker 14: the number one pick in the NFL draft. So yes,
• 55:33
  Speaker 14: obviously they will complete some passes. But I just when
• 55:36
  Speaker 14: everybody like, take a little chill pill, I think the
• 55:39
  Speaker 14: defense is fine. Yes, that idea that we're giving up
• 55:42
  Speaker 14: scoring drafts to open up the last few games, but ultimately, yep,
• 55:47
  Speaker 14: if you just want up and down the field. All
• 55:50
  Speaker 14: you do is is accomplished, but nothing in terms of
• 55:53
  Speaker 14: like cardio, right, as long as you keep the teams
• 55:57
  Speaker 14: out of the end zone and you control to run.
• 55:59
  Speaker 14: I think, yeah.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: But I hear what you're saying, and the bottom line
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is how many points are you giving up? And they're doing.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Things that's I think that's full score and they're the points.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: But you know the thing is that overall those offenses
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: don't score a lot of points, you know, and the
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: one that we're playing this week doesn't score a lot
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: of points. So if the Patriots don't allow them to
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: score a lot of points, well that's kind of what
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. So the big I think it'll
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: be a big test in two weeks when they play Atlanta.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I think Atlanta can put some points up sometimes, you know.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I think Tampa Bay points out.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how they only score a
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: ten against San Francisco with all those guys out, I.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Think Tampa Bay can put So there's some tests. I
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: think this week is a great test for the Patriots offense.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I think there's some weeks coming up that will be
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: good better tests for the defense. Than we've had so far,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: So we'll see. I mean, this is all to be
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: seen with this team.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: There's this is it's a fascinating disparity in that they
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: are a top ten team in points and yards and
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: that stuff, but dvway they're twenty eighth, which is adjusted
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: to opponents. So you know, you our job now is
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: this could be a good team. What are the flaws?
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: Is the defense really good enough? You know, those are
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: the things that we're trying to analyze. And you can't
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: ignore that number dv eight twenty eighth. That's well, that's
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: that's a warning side. What is the Browns defense DVOA eleventh?
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Oh no, sorry, they're in the top ten. I think
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the fifth. Oh I gotta look no.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Better than I thought.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Sam's in Easton what's up? Sam?
• 57:32
  Speaker 15: Hey, guys, pivoting off what you were just talking about.
• 57:35
  Speaker 15: I want to talk about the Monday night game with
• 57:38
  Speaker 15: Detroit showed on defense. I feel like they kind of
• 57:41
  Speaker 15: provide a little bit of a blueprint, you know, with
• 57:44
  Speaker 15: with pressure on Mayfield, I think he was particularly accurate.
• 57:48
  Speaker 15: I think he's pretty overrated as a passer in general.
• 57:51
  Speaker 15: But curious what you guys saw and what you thought
• 57:54
  Speaker 15: about depleted secondary, just shutting them down. I think we
• 57:56
  Speaker 15: should win that game with even without Mike Evans. I
• 57:58
  Speaker 15: think for the better team.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they certainly got to Mayfield and gave him trouble.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks Sam, You know so.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're the better team in that. I'm
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: not telling you.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Catch him in is. We don't have a Hutchinson, right,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you know that's Baker. Mayfield was dreadfully bad in that game. Yeah,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: he was off.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: He had all kinds of receivers to throw to and
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: just missed them.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: And that's his career, right, that's his career.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to just say that was an outlier.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: This year, he's been pretty good. Yeah, he's been very accurate.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: He's he runs around all the time, Like I don't
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: think he was under I mean he probably percentage wise,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: had more pressure the other night than normal. But I've
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: seen him running around for his life all year and
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: it makes place. He was terrible in that game. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: don't think you can bank on that again.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Williams in Montreal, what's up, william I?
• 58:47
  Speaker 12: I have a question. Yeah, against the Browns, how do
• 58:52
  Speaker 12: you guys think Will Campbell and Jared Wilson will match
• 58:56
  Speaker 12: up against Miles Garrett. Are we going to have to
• 58:59
  Speaker 12: chip them on every play or fly?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna need more than chips. I think
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: you're gonna need a double team.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: You might need the double team with tight end. You
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: might need to bring in an eligible uh lineman. I
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: don't think they'll do that. No, not in passing downs.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't don't have Hunter Henry as an extra
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: blocker or Austin Hooper one of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to have a plan. Yeah, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I can't just that plan is gonna takes with Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 7: That's not a plan, no, I mean the more the
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: bigger problem might be Malie Collins inside against Jared Mason
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: grat He's, I mean, and Mason Graham two's rotational piece.
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: But you know, Malie Collins is right behind Freddie loved
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: Mason but is having a great season two. He's got
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: a lot of pressure, he's got a lot of sacks.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: He's right. So you can't double both those guys.
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: So that's a matchup Watching Jared Wilson in that left
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: guard position against Malie Collins, that that could be almost
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: more interesting because it's harder to help your guard against
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: somebody like that, especially when you're.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Trying to help the left tackle against.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Drake also will be a big part of the protection.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I used to give Brady a lot of credit for
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: it in a different way because he did it with
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: his mind. I think Drake does it with his athleticism.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Dan's in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 10: Hey, Dante, Fred, you're talking earlier about special teams, and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: I agree with Fred.
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  Speaker 3: There they did.
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  Speaker 10: I kind of think they did fix the kickoff. Now
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: they need to do something about the on side kick,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 10: and I guess they're talking about it again. Going back
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: to the idea of fourth and fifteen. Have you heard that?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I hate that till oh really I hate
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: manufacturing that. It's like putting the runner on second base
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: an extra I love that. I don't. It's like, but
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: a fourth and fifteen is way too cuts.
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  Speaker 7: Where would you go if you really had to do
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  Speaker 7: it like fourth and twenty?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 6: Is that?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: I just don't just sounds like I don't thinks like, you.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Know, we're going to have one play and that's going
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: to allow the team to get an extra possession.
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  Speaker 7: I don't not to mention like when you're an on
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: site kick, it's on your special teams to make the play.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: Now you're asking your best player, your quarterback, and you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: know your offensive weapons to make.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't like what they've done with the on
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: side kick is they've taken it out unless you're losing
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, like you can't surprise.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I don't why. That's why I don't like the whole
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: kickoff thing. Yep, all right, thanks Dan.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know what the answer is. But that's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: why I don't like the kickoff. I like the kickoff
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: the way it was. If you want to more kicks return,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: then move the kickoff line back so it's harder to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: have touchbacks.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul and the Colony writes in Evan is way off,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: he says he's showing his true colors. He is more
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: about the draft than the team. I would always prefer
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to know I have a QB capable of raising the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: talent around him over wondering if he is the guy
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and getting better draft picks.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I like, I would agree with Evan if
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: you're talking about the difference between top five and fourteen. Oh,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: you know those like like I can agree with him
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: In there. But the difference between the value of making
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: the playoffs and making a you know, for the organization.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: For what did it mean to Washington last year?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: For me to Detroit to win that last game of
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: the year against green Bay, it was meaningless for them,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: but not green Bay, you know, like that was huge
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: for the Lions. But you can't culture.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: Really measure that though, you know, Like that's what I mean,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: Like it's hard to say, give me. That's why I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: brought up the financial component, because you know, teams do
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: get paid money, So I mean, like, you know, you
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: know that if you.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Want to tell me, like the Patriots should have lost
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: that last game against Buffalo to get the number one
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: overall pick absolutely yea or Okay, it wasn't as big
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: a deal to me as it was to other people.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: But I understand that, Like so you're talking fourth to first,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: like you didn't get anything from a culture building standpoint
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: by winning, not.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: Almost worse was to get more vitriolized.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: So there was nothing to be gained by winning the game. Okay,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: but that's a rare occurrence. I just I feel like
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: the part that that I think Evan and a lot
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: of people Evan's not alone.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: By the way, a lot of people.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Just always look at those draft picks like this hope
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: on the horizon, Like, I don't really understand why winning
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: two less games makes it more likely that you can
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: get Sam Laporte in the second round.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Like that's the pot. Like I think he's glossing over
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: how good of a job with Brad Holmes right the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: GM for Detroit. Let's just say, for Detroit's GM, how
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: good of a job they did in nailing so many
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: of those picks. Yes, Penny Sewell was a top five pick,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: they weren't all top five picks.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: And the Porta was in the mix of good tight ends,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: but not like one of the standout It wasn't like that,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: you know, the kid that from Penn State that went
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: Tyler Warren.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: They went to the Colts last year.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: You know, but even he was in the middle of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: the round and so.
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  Speaker 7: Especially like I just I'm looking at him, like, Patriots
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: make the playoffs and they lose in the first round.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: I would much rather take that and pick twenty second.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: I just look at the not make the playoffs and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: pick sixteenth Like that to me is a eligible difference that.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: I look at that video in the faces and the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: looks on those guys faces, and the excitement and the
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: enthusiasm and the culture that you can see. You can
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: visibly see the culture building as we watch these every week.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, but the emailers that make fun of me
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: and the callers that make fun of me you being
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: a curmudget are not wrong. I've been around a long time.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Not a lot of this stuff really sort of moves
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: the needle for me. Watching that video the other day
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: was like, I can see it. You can see the excitement.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: It's a difference between the last two years with the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: four wins. Mike, you keep saying like each loss just
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: kind of like perpetuated yourself.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: You can see it.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Even guys that have been around like Fred and I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: forever can see the difference. There's value to that.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's going on with I think so
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: they pushed it. They just got.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: You just got to push notification. Have some more.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Dan, Dan you guys, Yeah, yeah, all.
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  Speaker 16: Right, So yeah, So I wanted to give one harp
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 16: on Paul, Paul and Bike actually actually Paul and mainly Evan.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 16: We're talking about how they were saying, uh, the problems
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 16: this year. In the training camp was going to be, well,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 16: we were gonna have we were gonna do good on
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 16: defense and probably struggle on offense. But it's been the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 16: complete offenses. The offense is looking amazing. Absolutely, The defense
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 16: is just the defense is just you never really know
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 16: how they're gonna start, we're gonna finish, but they've been
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 16: finishing good. So I want to give some what Paul
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 16: thinks on his thoughts on that, on the defense and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 16: how the players are playing so far.
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  Speaker 2: No, Okay, nailed it. I absolutely thought it would be
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: the opposite. And that's probably the thing that has me
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: most enthusiastic about what's going on is they're not winning
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of defensive struggles and beating bad teams just
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: because they couldn't score. No, their offense is moving the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: ball against all these teams really well. Some games that
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: they're scoring more than others, but they're moving the ball
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: pretty well in every game. Yeah, I thought it would
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: be the opposite. I thought the offense would struggle. And
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: the reason that I was sort of luke warm on
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: the whole season heading in was because of that. And
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: I you know, this is not an excuse because I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: didn't It's not like I said it was going to happen,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: but I did keep saying. The one caveat is if
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: the quarterback makes an enormous step forward, and he did,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: he has and he is, and that's why your offense
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: is as good as it is. That's the secret, sauce.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Once you get their quarterback, then everything else falls into place.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Cameron writes in how soon everyone forgets that we beat
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: the Bills on Sunday Night Football three weeks ago? I've
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: had enough with everyone saying we haven't help any good teams.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Who the hell has forgotten that?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Well, he's saying anyone that says we haven't beaten any
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: good team, No one has said that.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Everybody says they've had the easiest schedule in the league.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: That's a fact, but that's but you have beaten a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: good team one. Okay, Panthers aren't too bad.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are terrible as a matter of fact.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Justin writes in Evan's gonna go home tonight, walk in
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: with his arms crossed and comically PLoP on his couch
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: and frustration. Jess is gonna ask him bad day at work,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and Evan's gonna mutter. Paul doesn't know ball and makes
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: me mad.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't know he doesn't respect the draft.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. That's fat. Evan can make fun of me
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: for that and be accurate. I do not respect the draft.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Gerald and Burlington writes in for five years, we've been
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: comparing about how poor the team is and suffering through
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: back to back for one seasons. Why would you not
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: want to win now? I would love the team to
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: go to an AFC Championship or even Super Bowl and
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: come up short and stink again. And the logic of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: slow building is flawed. You can just as easily mess
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: that up as you could drafting at pick thirty. To
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Paul's point, look at Pittsburgh. They seem to be slow
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: building for over a decade and stuck at neutral. I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred. Expect a regression next year and wins and
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: losses because of scheduled difficult The team may be better,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: more talented, but the record worse in both as possible.
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  Speaker 2: That's another part of the two steps forward one step
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  Speaker 2: back theory that I am strongly a proponent of. That
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  Speaker 2: happens too. You could be a better team next year
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: and not win as many games. Yeah, that could happen.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: You're just hoping it all kind of comes out in
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the wash of that.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think drake Man can continue to
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: play at this level for the rest of his career.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, this is pretty ridiculous, but i'd say defensively
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: and even a couple of places on offense. You feel,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: like we said it before, they haven't really had a
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  Speaker 7: chance to really remake this team the way they want
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: and they're and I mean, I don't know, I said
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: it like after week one or two, get a sense
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: there's some placeholders, and so the hope is that and again,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: like most of these guys are coming back for better
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: or worse, whether you want them or not, whether you're
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: going to try to replace them. There isn't like, all right,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: we got a lot of major holes that we have
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: to address, but they should have a chance of starting
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: a better starting position. And now can you start to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: round things out and get some more of the players
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: to overextend and go crazy. But that's my hope, is
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: that you start to really build the team that you
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: want even more so, and that'll offset some of the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: potential regression to the mean from drake Man in the.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Office, Audrey writes in simple statement, winning is good. Winning
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: breeds more success. Winning brings it more buy in and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: better free agents. Teams should always always win as much
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: as possible. The only exception would be the bottom five teams,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: where draft position means much more like a possible quarterback. Philly,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: for example, has had no problem gaining more talent and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: often moving up in the draft if necessary.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: That's another example Philly. They've had low draft picks and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: they're continuing to draft well every year.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: And that's a good example too of like a Kansas
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: city where yes, you're picking towards the bottom of the draft,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: but you also have a good team. You don't have
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: a lot of critical, glaring needs that you probably have
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: to fill maybe once or twice, but you can sit
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: there and let the draft come to you and you're
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: not forced to have to take I mean, I get it.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: If you're a rebuilding team, you need top five, top
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: ten talent every year. And the Patriots are a great example.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: They've turned it around primarily on the backs of those
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: guys that they drafted in the top half of the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: draft over the last few years. But you know, there
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: is a certain advantage too when you're at the bottom
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: of the draft and you say, oh, then you know
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: Josh Simmons fell through. I know Josh Simmons probably made
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: bad example right now Josh Simmons, But.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: In all seriousness that that's a I don't know what
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: he's dealing with that personal thing. People seem to be
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: really really concerned.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: Sounds serious, but at the time, and maybe it will
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: eventually going forward like that's wow, they needed a left tackle.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: They stay patient, they got one. He's looked pretty good
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: when he's been on the field. Now, I know there's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: other issues, you know, so I just I think there is.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: It's not like you're handcuffed to terrible talent and to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: you guys. You know, like there are good players all
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: over the draft if you draft well.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I think I think Evan was
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: sort of saying, well, you just think it's easy to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: do that. No, it's not. But when you're good, it's
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: easier to stay. I think it's easier to be good
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: than it is to just completely build it from the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: studs up. I think that's hard. Yeah, I think you
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: have good players and you do what you say said
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: and you're augmenting. Yeah, you know your level of talent.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: It's is at a higher level. It should be easier,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: not harder.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's like maybe we don't need the best tight
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: end in the draft class.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: But guess what the best draft end. This best tight
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: end in the.
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  Speaker 7: Draft class just fell to you at twenty eight and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: all right, all of a sudden, now you know, and
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: that's a little bit like I felt with you know,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: like a pick like Jamior Gibbs, like for the Lions, like,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: you know, did they have to take a running back.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: And like the top twelve or whatever? It was like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: probably not.
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  Speaker 7: But now you have an opportunity where your line's in
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: good shape. You like what you're doing on defense. You
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: know you have some talent and you know now the.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Line is they're good players and when you if if
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: you hit the picks, you know, Noael would be sitting
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: there like like if Jalen Polk turned out to be
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: as good as a Mecca Abuka, you didn't know would
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: be saying if they didn't win those games, they would
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: have had a higher draft pick. You know, like, no,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: you picked the wrong guy. If he was Lad McConkie.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Let's use it for apples to apples. That was the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: guy that was available. I got right. Yep, you just
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: have It's not easy. I'm not suggesting that you just
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: wave a magic Wand Bill did it really well for
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: a long time and then he couldn't do it at all.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not easy even for the best who's ever
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  Speaker 2: done it well.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: That was the other part of that argument that you know,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: it's like, yeah, Bill did it until he didn't do
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: it and then it started falling apart. And now it's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: the dam's got a number of cracks and you don't
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: have a Rabes touche.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: How are we doing.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Cleveland's defense the best you will have faced?
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean I think just statistically in play style,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 17: you know, they're playing at a high level.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: They're playing a lot of confidence.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 17: It's a lot of speed, a lot of disruption, and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 17: they don't give you a whole lot of time to
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  Speaker 17: make decisions.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 17: And then there's enough you know, change ups in there
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 17: that you know you just have to be good.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: You have to be sound and you can't hold onto
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  Speaker 6: the ball.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 17: You know, coverage is sticky and the linebackers are fast
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 17: side your your run defense. It doesn't matter when you
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 17: finishing stats and metrics is with the list of the league.
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  Speaker 4: Aside from the obvious talent, what is allowed to be.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: So good for seven leagues?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 17: Well, I think that we've improved our tackling. We've improved
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 17: continue to improve our technique, you know, and again it
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 17: hasn't been perfect, but it's it's just about coaching edge
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 17: wall and swarming and making sure that uh, you know,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 17: we do those things and you know we've done them.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 17: Sometimes we'll have to continue to do them. That's the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 17: thing about this league is you don't stats and metrics,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 17: numbers don't mean anything.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: You have to go out there and and be able
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: to prove it.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 17: And I know that they'll have a good plan, uh
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 17: for for how they want to run it. And it's
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 17: a physical group of alignemen and their tight ends are
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 17: blocking well you know, and Quen Shawn is rushing you know,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 17: running hard physical So they've done a nice job.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: How was your block in your experience?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: How was a block?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Handle?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: The level of success and good word the first of h.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 17: I mean, I think we always just try to stay consistent.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 17: We've tried to say keep that message going, try to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 17: have a you know, a new plan, new preparation, new
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 17: opponent each and every week, you know, try to celebrate
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 17: the success that we've had, but then clearly.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: Move on and and focus on the next challenge.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 17: And we'll have to do that this week, and uh,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 17: you know it's a big one, you know, coming back
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 17: home and just making sure that you know, we don't
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 17: take anything for granted in our preparation. This is a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 17: different unit, a different team than than Tennessee, and so
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 17: that we have to just get going, learn them, learn
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 17: a play style, uh, try to match their speed the
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 17: best that we can in practice, and be ready to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 17: go for it.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: H On some why did you kill Murphy from the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: first time he pour?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 17: I just you know, he was a very productive college player,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 17: and you know he's improved his fourth down ability and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 17: has experience there.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 18: Kleon Jason was named the AFC Defender of the up
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 18: the league.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Just what have you seen from him this season and
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: what does it mean for him to run that honor.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 17: I mean, he showed up in the offseason ready to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 17: learn and work and earn a role, and he's done that.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 17: And I would say that he's an important member of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 17: the punt team, something that he's taken very seriously since
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 17: he got here and trying to do those things and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 17: help us on the punt team, and then taking advantage
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 17: of his opportunities.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Like to speak good special teams as a teammate and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: a colleague overvent trouble.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: In the Quality's a demonstrated as a player and also
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: as a coach that may make.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: Him a future head coach.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 17: A great competitive spirits as a player, I mean, he
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 17: was a Tasmanian devil. Enjoyed a time with Bubba immensely
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 17: and then being able to be with him in Cleveland
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 17: last year. It was fun to just see his relationship
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 17: and connections with the players. The way that he coaches,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 17: His energy is evaluation of players. So he's done a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 17: great job in his role and I'm sure that if
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 17: presented with those opportunities he would he would do an
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 17: amazing job with any head coaching opportunities that would come
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 17: his way.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 7: Like you mentioned this offseason one play tag name coverage,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: it feels like the past couple of weeks, you guys
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: have kind of gotten away from that as they go
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: more of a product of the game plan or your execution.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: Would actually play man probably a little bit of both.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 17: So when we play man, we got to not let
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 17: our man catch the ball, and we got to be
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 17: able to get to the quarterback and force them to,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 17: you know, to get rid of it maybe before those
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 17: routes can separate or run away.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 19: On CP's question, a lot of times coaches say that
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 19: how teams responds success and adversity, and coaches that we
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 19: can see like how that how that translates. Have you
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 19: noticed anything specifically where you're interested to see how this
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 19: team would deal with success when you guys started stacking
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 19: you know.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 17: Fans, Well, first off, I don't know who CP is.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 17: I apologize, I know Chris. I just didn't know CP.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just I don't really.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 17: We've tried to keep it the same and we've tried
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 17: to coach the same. We've tried to show them the
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 17: things that they've done well and that we have to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 17: continue to do and enhance, show them the things that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 17: we have to improve on and then eliminate the stuff
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 17: that that's going to get us beat coming out of
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 17: that game, and show them the corrections and the emphasis
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 17: that we put on the run game and the things
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 17: that we when we did it well, when we didn't
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 17: do it well, you know, Coach ball security, coach our identity,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 17: our identity every single day.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: I don't know how else to do it. No, I
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: just you know, I mean.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 17: It's you kind of just got to stay consistent and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 17: focus on these things and you know, practice it every day.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: So you've been around Jim Schwartz last year obviously in.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Tennessee to talk about identity.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 19: What would you how would you describe against his preferred
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 19: identity defense?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 17: Well, they're fast, you know, I mean, they're they're disruptive,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 17: you know, they they they put pressure on the quarterback
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 17: and they do it through through their their players and
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 17: their identity, you know, I mean they're they're they understand
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 17: what they want to do and how they want to play,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 17: and they want to force into mistakes.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: Uh. If if you give up loose.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 17: Plays or guys get on the edge of somebody or somebody,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 17: you know, you've got an elite edge rusher on the outside,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 17: and if you know you can't step up, it's gonna
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 17: be hard to to protect, you know. And then the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 17: corners are going to be sticky, and you know, the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 17: linebacker are all can run. Safeties are very good tacklers.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 17: And that's the thing that I've noticed is that you know,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 17: if a ball breaks, it's eight yards is a really
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 17: long run for this against this team, because the safeties
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 17: are such good tacklers, you know, Grant and Ronnie.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 19: What goes into winning a home game versus a road
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 19: game over years of football?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: Can it be?
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: Can it be somewhat of a distraction being back home?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: No? I don't think the numbers would tell you that.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 17: I don't know.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think you play well, and you take
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: care of football.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 17: Create some explosive plays, get off the field on third down,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 17: score touchdowns in the red zone. I would say that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 17: no matter where you are, what time zone you're in,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 17: that those things would always translate, and you know, maybe
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 17: the defensive communication would have to be improved or maybe
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 17: eye contact their hand signals as opposed to being able
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 17: to hear you know. I mean, if you're playing well
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 17: enough and your fans are into it, and there's it's loud,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 17: you know, I mean communicating different things that are happening
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 17: that don't happen on the road. You could practically yell
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 17: out to the defense on the road as quiet as
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 17: as it is allowed.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 19: Drake may be so appry.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: I mean I think that I think receivers are helping him.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 17: I think that the the ability to step up in
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 17: a pocket. But you know, I probably you know, special
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 17: talent as well, maybe staying calm and the things that
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 17: they've worked on and he's practiced as far as when
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 17: he's on the move, you know, to be able to
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 17: still gilt, stay in phase and not open up his
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 17: body or let things, you know, get loose, which would
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 17: lead lead to an erratic or an errant throw.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 19: Like we have a nasty about trail in a while,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 19: Just what if anything in the way of an update
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 19: can you end?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 17: I would say that his spirits are good, he's feeling good,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 17: he's been in he's been meeting with coaches, been in meetings.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: So I appreciate you asking, you.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 17: Know, and there'll be a treatment plan here coming up,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 17: uh that he'll have to follow. But right now, it's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 17: good to see him. It's good to see him in
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 17: and his you know, spirits are good.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 6: You've played against some of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Are Marino Elway played with the greatest quarterback of all time?
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: We just straight may fit into that conversation right now.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 17: I mean I never played those guys when they were
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 17: that young, but I did play against those guys. I
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 17: mean I played against Dan Marino when his cleat was
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 17: like twelve inches high because of his achilles and it
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 17: was on the dirt infield. Yeah, I you know, too
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 17: early in his career to understand. I think Drake's so
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 17: excited just to be leading this football team and it's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 17: fun to watch him want to, you know, prepare and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 17: get better and improve every day. You got another question
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 17: to I know you were kidding, what I mean, if
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 17: you've ever seen a quarterback get this hot for such
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 17: an extended period.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: I try not to focus on that.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 17: I think we focus on what's going on this week
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 17: and what corrections need to be made. And the good
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 17: thing is is there's a lot of things that we
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 17: can improve. There's so much that we can improve in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 17: all three phases right and still be able to win
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 17: a football game. But we have to to improve on
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 17: them and correct them, you know, or we're gonna The
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 17: unfortunate part is is you're gonna have to learn from losing,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 17: and I don't want to do that.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 19: Like, what are ongoing conversations and Drake about the slide,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 19: you know, any.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Contacts when he can is there? What are the conversations
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: like is in an ongoing process with him.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: Mark.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 17: I know we talked to him about making great decisions
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 17: like the rest of the team, and that would be
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 17: a good decision for him to make. But again, like
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 17: all the other conversations we have with players, those will
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  Speaker 17: remain with us.
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  Speaker 11: Do you think that helps you? Your musical knowledge helps
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  Speaker 11: you with your impressions, because you clearly have a gift
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  Speaker 1: from all right back here in Pages Unfiltered, Mike has
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  Speaker 2: We hope that to a wellness check. Yeah, I hope
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  Speaker 2: the players will be hoping to get Diggs. Diggs usually
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  Speaker 2: on that one.
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  Speaker 2: You have any thoughts on Vrabel today kind of run
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  Speaker 2: in the mill, I'll tell you very run of the
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  Speaker 2: mill it might be. And I said this in the
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  Speaker 2: postgame show Sunday after the game, and I mean this
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  Speaker 2: with the most respect, like it was kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a whole hum boring game, Like and how refreshing is
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  Speaker 2: it that we've progressed to the point where you go
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  Speaker 2: from four and two to five and two and it's
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  Speaker 2: just like business as usual. This is what was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to happen, right, you know, And I think Rabel's press
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: conference today was a little of that. It's like, yeah,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: you know, we brought in a guy, Caleb Murphy. We
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  Speaker 2: probably should have mentioned that at some point, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they claimed him off waivers. I think we talked about
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: him a little, Yester. There's just a guy with a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: lot of production in college, you know, Edge Rusher, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but beyond that, just you know, Cleveland does
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things well defensively.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there weren't a lot of Cleveland questions you but
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  Speaker 1: you know, no, you're right, And so I mean the
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  Speaker 1: media is kind of treating it like Hohome a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess that's good. Like I've always been one
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: to say I don't need to be entertained when it
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: comes to Patriots games. I want to blow out every team.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be white knuckle. I'll leave that
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: for all the other games. But obviously, when you have
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: those white knuckle it's entertaining. I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 1: it isn't. But I'm perfectly happy winning thirty one to thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just I'm perfectly happy when my team
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: plays well, and that's why I win thirty one thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yep. Yeah. We had
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: that Isaac from last week a lot yesterday who criticized
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: the show wholeheartedly criticized me. I noticed nobody, nobody defended
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: me when he was saying I had no knowledge of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: the team. But that's besides the point.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Well I don't think it was no knowledge period. Well yeah,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: but they criticized everybody except for me. I felt left out.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: But Cynthia says, I'm fairly certain Isaac from Westfield's call
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: was a cry for help. Don't change a thing. Okay,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: maybe the FedEx commercial and let Isaac know that therapy
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: could help and friends, he needs friends, so, and then
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I was recommending neck bridges yesterday.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: I recall that as well.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Aarun writes in Fred's chiding inspired me to brush
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: off the old singlet and get some extra neckwork in
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  Speaker 1: at the gym today. Keep fighting the good fight, Fred,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: all of them. That's Aaron and Tokyo.
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  Speaker 2: You do have a lot of fights going on.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: I do. It's okay, keeps you know, keeps me moving.
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  Speaker 2: I have the reputation, but you have a lot more
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: in terms of grudges than I do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yours are apt to get you in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Mine not. Why am I going to because you know
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  Speaker 1: you get into conference You're not.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: I am not confrontational.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Yes you are. No, I am, Yes you are. Yes
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: you are.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: I'm indifferent. There's a difference.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Franklin and Baltimore has the all important question. Am I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: me emotionally prepared to lose this game?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: That is a great question, remember those Yeah, I'm not,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: by the way, and I have to say that I
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: am you, Yes, I am. Well, we're halfway through the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: week of shows. I mean more than halfway at this point.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: I am just throwing this on me.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm emotionally prepared to lose. I don't want to lose.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: To lose.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: Clock comes around tomorrow.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: If we lose, I'm not going to be like, I
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: can't believe we lost that game. How did it happen?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be that. I don't know.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: If I would say I can't believe it, I don't
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: know how that happened, you know, but i'd be close. Yeah,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: i'd be close.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: The only thing I would say, you know, Evan has
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: been really dismissive of Cleveland, and I wouldn't go as
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: far as he has. I don't think that the Patriots
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: would need to do what they did against Pittsburgh and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: turn it over five times, like I think one or two.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: You know, if if they had one or two, you
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: could lose because they could slow you down a little bit.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: They could help Cleveland score some points. You don't have
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: to help them score all the points. Yeah, and they
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: you know, they could pull an up set. I just
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: this is just no offense there. This is a really
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: bad offense. Jack, and I'm not emotionally prepared to lose. Fred,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: You're alona that one.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jack? And and Abba has a stud or stiff
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Brown's edition, stutter stiff, Jerry Judy stiff, Dylan Gabriel.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Stiff. I mean, I think it's too early to say,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: but I think.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: He's stutter stiff, Quin Shawn Judkins, Stud, Miles Garrett. I
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: think we know Stud. Mason Graham.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know him. I haven't seen him play much.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: But Jerry's out. Jerry's still I haven't.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Seen Cleveland play, so I don't know exactly what he's doing.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Jerry's still out. Anthony writes in Paul maybe snarky, but
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: he's very good at the debating aspect. He will not
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: allow any of the fans who call her email to
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: stray away from a specific arguing point. I think that
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: isn't he learned that from me. I think that isn't
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: always easy. It is very good. Perfect example of this
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: was the Christian in La call kudos to Paul, and
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Jason says he's in Savannah. He says the La guy
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: is a dufus so self centered. He thinks he's self centered.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I could see that.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Like I said, he you can have an argument and
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: disagree or agree or whatever. I did not change my
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: argument in the middle right, and that's what he's claiming. Like, Oh,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: you just want to make fun of me when I call,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: and then a half hour later you're agreeing with me.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with wanting to lose. I don't agree
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: with being war that they're not quite as good? Are
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: they not quite as good as their record? Maybe? But
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. Right, win, win the games,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: take advantage of the schedule, and why not.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: To that point, Corey writes in if we get to
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: a point where our biggest worry becomes drafting lower on
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: the board and sustaining future success, I will take that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: every time. The fact that we have to focus on
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: sustaining success means we are experiencing success. After the last
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: couple of four win seasons, it seems weird to worry
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: about a few lower round draft picks that may or
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: may not be good players.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I'm what I'm
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: going on, You know what, you want something to worry about,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: just like looking at to manufacture things to be concerned about.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: I heard on my show yesterday, you know, at Felger
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: and Big Jim Murray, they were talking a little bit
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: about the draft class, like this current draft class not
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: a good one. Well, the jury is still out. Okay,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: we don't know enough yet, but like the early returns
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: are just okay, like they're not great.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Oh oh are Yeah? I thought you meant the future
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: draft class for next year.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: No, I mean like Will Campbell's been okay, yeah, no, no,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: it's you know, yeah, Traveon Henderson has been you know, minimally.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams not too Kyle.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Williams, you know, not great. You know the Craig Woodson
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: has been a starter and he plays all the time,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: but he's just.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, was Bora gollisworth the pick?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: I don't you know my answer to that? No, I
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: think he's a good kicker.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: So well.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: The rest of them, you don't have to draft them.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: All the kickers are the same. They tell you that
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: all the time. There is three or four that stand
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: out among the rest, like Brandon Aubery, who's now made
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: five sixty plus yard field goals, which is amazing. That guy. Yeah,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: if you drafted him, sure that's worth it. That's a weapon.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: The rest of them are all kind of the same.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: But you want something to worry about, like, wet is
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: this class going to live up to the right because
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: we already look at the twenty four class, the Drake
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: May class and it's really just Rake May. Yep, that
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: ain't good. But when you have the third overall pick, No,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: when you have the third overall pick was the year
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: before you you're picking third in the round all every round?
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Or are you're picking in the top five in the round.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I know sometimes it rotates depending on ties. You need
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: to get more than one good player.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yep, Chris and main. I agree with Paul
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: about winning as much as possible, not worrying about higher
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: picks the build or sustain up. The better example for
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: his argument, in my opinion, is the round the ROMs.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: They went like five years without a first round pick,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: yet have consistently found good players to stay good.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: In the draft. Two. Yes, that's a great, great point
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: that there's more team like. I'm glad these emailers are
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: helping me because I'm not even thinking of all the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: different teams. I just like threw out like Baltimore and Pittsburgh,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: but like Philadelphia that we had Audrey I think emailed
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: in that one is another good one. The Rams, like
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: those those defensive players weren't top five picks if they
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: got that defense with you know with Verse and uh,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: you know Fisk and those guys, they've been good players
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: for them.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: Steven in Virginia writes in to Evans's point about the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: potential missed opportunities that come with drafting later in the draft,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: with the Lions as his example. In the twenty twenty
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: three draft, Detroit had the twelfth and eighteenth pick in
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: the first round. They took Gibbs twelve, Campbell eighteen. There
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: were zero running backs taken the rest of the first round.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: The next taken win fifty two overall, and the next
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: linebacker taken was Nolan Smith at thirty. Really an edge
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: not a true linebacker. It's impossible to know how the
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: draft would have played out if they had different picks
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: that first round, but it also isn't impossible that they
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: could have gotten one or even both of them if
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: they were picking say sixteen and twenty three, instead resulting
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: from one or two more wins that season. The Commanders
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: only had five picks in last year's draft, with only
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: three in the top one fifty. They added Tunsul and
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Debo via trade, but that, to me is a clear
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: high risk team building strategy that the Patriots should look at.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: And probably avoid this offseason. Winning is most important. Establishing
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: a good culture that expects to win and compete is
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: most important, because then players around the league want to
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: come here. The players here get experience actually winning close games,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: and when you add free agency or draft picks, it
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: becomes easier to get buy in when the rest of
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: the team has an established standard that is sustainable. There
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: you go. Once you forward that to.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Evan, yeah, I mean I the first part, and I
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: know he wasn't saying this, Like, you don't know how
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs, how long he would have been available. He
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: was a highly regarded player in that draft. Jack Campbell
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: they could have gotten. They could have waited and gotten
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Jack Campbell. I'm not suggesting that it's not good to
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: draft high. I'm just saying that's not the only way
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: to get good players. You have to hit the picks
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: wherever you take them. You have to hit some picks right.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Right, invest in good scouting department.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you just brought up Booty a
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: little while ago. They got Booty and Douglas in the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: sixth round three years ago, and you know they took
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams in the third round they took Jalen Polk
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: in the second round. You know the guys they took
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: in the sixth round three years ago of playing better.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: That's right, Like you just you never know when you're
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: going to find players.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Uh eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline again.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Deucibly back with news from the locker room. We'll have
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: an eye on Evan. We'll see what happened in there.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Raheem in Georgia is on the line. What's up, Raheem Rahim,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Georgia four or four? Nope, not there?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, but you thrown out the area code?
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Oh I got that from this morning? Did you're here?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: On the one of your shows, they had this guy
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: that works he's I don't know if he's an intern
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: or back, but he used to work for the four
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: one one, you know how they used to call on
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: a person. So this kid they quizzed him and he
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: knew all the area codes all over the country.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they go like San Antonio, be like eight one two,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: you know, or then they go eight one two and
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: he goes San Antonio.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he knew all the area codes. It was fun.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Oh god?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 7: Hey, hey Paul, Yes, sir.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 16: You like me very confrontational.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: Hey, I love it.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 10: I love argument.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not as confrontational as Fred is me confrontational.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 13: But Fred Afred you do it, you man, You're sneaky
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 13: at it though.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm an instigator. Paul's a finisher, an instigator.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 9: Are you I need my T shirt?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: Oh? You need your T shirt? Okay? Alex? Yeah, Ronnie,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: you just gotta send us your.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 9: Last week I said thirty one thirteen.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: There you go, send them a T shirt?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: You go.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: What's your size? Aldrid?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Send the man his T shirt? What do you need
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: for a size? Biggie?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Two weeks two x two? As they sitting down in
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: that truck too long? Big boy gotta start doing those planks, all.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 14: Right, flanks and what everything else?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: All right?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Emailing your emailing your address?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he still take care of you.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: All right? Okay, thanks, Aldrid.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: What's the score this week?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 10: Go this week?
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 16: Man, I'm sitting at Deepen, so I'm gonna say twenty twenty.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Three twenty to okay, okay, you don't think all right?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: That sounds good to me. I'll take it, Thanks, Eldrid.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I'll take that. Ted's in San Diego. What's up?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: Ted?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 11: All?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Hey, Freddy Paul. Just three quick comments, first of which
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: was the stumble by cam Wood when he flipped the
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: ball back into the end zone was reminiscent of back
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: in the early seventies. I'm not sure if Paul do
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: you remember this, but there was a running back name
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: John Tarver, and he almost did the exact same thing
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: where he was running with the ball and just flipped
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: it over his head into the end zone and was
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: recovered by BuNos. Remembered, was very reminiscent.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Similar play reminds me of Gario PREMI.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have to go back that far. I
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: could go back to the plate that cam Wood made
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: in the previous game. He did the exact same thing
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: against the Raiders.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, SoC Second quick observation as well, a couple
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: of days ago, I guess I asked it was yesterday
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: when you guys were having was going over some of
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: the potential inductees that builds up against and one of
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: the names he mentioned this is quick comment Bill Arnsbarger,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: which I know you guys remember, but I think that
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: Bill let's be the architect of the fifty three defense.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: At least I think he was. And if that's true,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: that's like one of the legendary teams and defenses. And
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: I think I believe that fifty three defense was the
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: initiation for the first time of a fourth linebacker, because
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: I think most teams played a four to three and
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: I think when they brought in that fifty three I
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: think it his name was Mathison and something like that,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: he became the fourth linebacker. So and I believe that
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: Arnsbarker was the architect of that. And then my last
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: comment and alog you guys going thanks for the moment,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: is you know, whenever you and Paul, I think you
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: mentioned that the four team of the six team is
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: being the greatest team. And maybe it's because of my youth,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: but I still think about that seventy six team. Even
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: though they did not win, they beat the Steelers, who
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: were a legendary team back then, and they beat the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: Raiders during this season.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: And I still think that seventy sixteen was the greatest
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: pass team of all time with a number of Hall
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: of Famers and legendary Patriots.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: It's in the conversation for sure. That's probably my first
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: memories of watching Patriots games was that team. Thanks Ted
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: and Bill Ansberger was a great defensive coach. I don't
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: know anything about you know fifty three. I don't even
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: know what that is, to be honest with you, I
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about the history of that. But yeah,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: I did correct Evan when he didn't know the guys. Now,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: oh you know, that's a that's a legitimate defensive newby coach.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: Newby newby John in South Carolina. I do feel like
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Paul disagrees with Christian from LA and I want to
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: thank him for doing it.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: I do tend to disagree with him. I'm not denying that.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Let's see, this is a long one, so I don't
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: want to read that. Martin not a Kansas. I'm enjoying
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: the second half of the shows on Wednesday with the
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: two of you. Okay, it's just the two.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Of us, you know, because the original is always the best.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't had this feeling in a while. I'm more
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: worried about the next two games after the Browns. They
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: might not be an easy check off the schedule, but
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: still penciled in a win. Also, if you're more worried
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: about draft pick position than winning. That's a loser's mentality.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: This is why the Patriots have a scouting team, Elliot
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: Wolf as well as the scouting staff to find the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: players that fit the culture. Yeah, let them worried.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be easy, but that's what Yeah,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: those guys, that's what they get paid for. Brian Cowden,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf, whoever ends up being you know, part of this,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: the you know, the scouting department, that's that they need
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: to find players regardless of what we're picking.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Uh, Brian and Swansea with a midweek game. This game
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: is called Cleveland Quarterback or Game of Thrones cast member. Okay,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: this game was inspired upon reflection on how lucky we
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: are to have apparently found our guy at quarterback in
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: a relatively short period of time. After Tom Brady's departure.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns have had thirty three different players start at
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: quarterback over the last twenty seasons. I'm going to list
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: a name and the panel simply has to indicate whether
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: he started at quarterback for the Browns or was an
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: actor in the Game of Thrones. So not a character
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: but an actor.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, jeez, this is going to come down to whether
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: or not I know he was a quarterback for the Browns.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Connor Shaw quarterback for the Browns.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Correct. Rory McCann, I'm gonna guess Game of Thrones, that's correct.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Hogan, Stanford quarterback for the Browns. Correct. Thaddeus Lewis
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Freddy Stroma.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess Game of Thrones, correct.
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  Speaker 1: And finally Austin Davis.
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  Speaker 2: That's another Browns quarterback out of balls one hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, uh, this is Brian Boy. You tried, but you
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  Speaker 2: I liked that game though. Yeah, that's a good one
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had mostly Cleveland. I think he only
• 1:45:25
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  Speaker 1: I was listening to that. You do get bonus points
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• 1:46:01
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• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: season game last year, we would be sitting with Caleb
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Williams as our quarterback instead of Drake. Patriots fans were
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how this started, but this is just
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  Speaker 1: It didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He had been drafted the previous season, two picks before
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Drake may was. It's not the same year. I don't
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: know why everybody gets this wrong. My show gets it
• 1:46:44
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  Speaker 2: It's not the show that I'm usually on. Yep, seriously,
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• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: do you understand what I'm saying? Because you're looking you're
• 1:46:56
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  Speaker 2: Patriots already he had Drake May. He's not a rookie
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: right now, right, he was already on the team last year.
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  Speaker 2: Winning the game against Gerard May or winning the Buffalo game,
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  Speaker 2: did not do anything to Drake May. He was already
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: on the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: He was already on the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yep, this public service announcement is over.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: So let's just say that the Patriots had had the
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  Speaker 1: first round pick, the first overall pick, in the year
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: that they drafted Drake May, who was the quarterback picked
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  Speaker 2: And when Drake May was drafted, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels,
• 1:47:36
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• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, So why couldn't they have drafted Caleb Williams. They
• 1:47:44
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• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: the first pick, could they have drafted.
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  Speaker 2: If they had the first pick, they could have. It
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• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: With beating Buffalo. I see what you're saying. It's a
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: different year. I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, they had the third pick the year they picked
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  Speaker 2: Drake May.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: They didn't.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: They had nothing to do with winning the last game.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't pick Drake May this year?
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Is what bank Bill Belichick for going four and thirteen
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: that allowed you to get Drake May.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go now. But I think
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: the question just just to talk about it. If they
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: had the choice of Caleb Williams or Drake May, who
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: do you think this staff would have picked?
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea. I really can't intelligence or
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: Jade Daniels for that matter. If they had their choice
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: of any of the quarterbacks, who would they have taken?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Well, let's thank god that they
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: picked Drake May and they only had one choice.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: I would agree with that they didn't really have. I
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: think the choices were those top three guys and the
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: other three guys that went in the first round. I
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: don't think we're legitimate options. Had three, now you could.
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  Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument that they had
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  Speaker 2: a legitimate option to take a trade. I think the
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  Speaker 2: Giants wanted to move up. I think Minnesota wanted to
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  Speaker 2: take a couple of you know, we'll take a couple
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  Speaker 2: take you know, the next quarterback, right, you know, whether
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  Speaker 2: it be Pennix or McCarthy or Nicks. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: any of those three guys was a legitimate option at
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  Speaker 2: number three overall? Would you agree?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: I agree? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if they had their choice of any of those three,
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  Speaker 2: I probably think they would have taken Caleb Williams. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't. Yeah, that's one of
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: those you never really Why do you think people are
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: getting that wrong?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: And there I don't think because they said it on
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: the Sports Hub. John Wallack said it one day. I
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: think I told you about this like three weeks ago. Like,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: I can't believe that they're actually saying this, and no
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: one's like stepping into correct it.
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  Speaker 6: It's like.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: From the locker room, what was the mood where the
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: player's friendly to that, none of them, like Henry, what
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: was it like like Mike, Hey, guys, you come in
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: with a big smile.
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  Speaker 13: Sorry.
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  Speaker 7: It just cracks me up every time and I feel
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: slightly bad.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was something that happened a lot. No, well,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: it probably looked like he was making a really important
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: point and then we just we cut him right off.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: For some reason, there seems to be confusion because they
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: won the game. Thank god they won the game last year,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: the last game, because that allowed them to get the
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: fourth pick instead of the first pick, and they did.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: They would have taken Caleb Williams instead of Drake May
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, oh instead of Drake and O. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're off.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whoops.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: That happens from time to time. But yes, back from
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: the locker room. Heard from Stefan Diggs, as we always do,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: always enjoy that. I thought young Evans are asked the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: questions just about his leadership and you know where that
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: came from, and that was interesting thing said.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's why they brought me in too, you know,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: to be a leader.
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  Speaker 7: And he pointed to Matt Collins as well as providing
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: some leadership from that room.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: I know there's the point we've talked a lot about that.
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  Speaker 7: Those guys have really you know, brought a good energy
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 7: to that room and you're seeing some production, he pointed
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 7: to to the younger players, you know, showing leadership, stepping up,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: being competitive.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: So good stuff from Diggs.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: You know, also talking about you know, winning at home
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  Speaker 7: and you know, just trying to stay sharp and keep
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 7: it rolling. And her from Will Campbell as well. I
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: thought a good question from Phil Perry. You know, it's
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 7: seven weeks in. Do you feel like you've proved some
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 7: people wrong? There were some questions about your you know,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: arm link and those kind of things, and what position
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 7: you might play, and Will Campbell said, you know, to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 7: be honest, I never really approached anything about proving anyone wrong.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 7: Like none of that pre draft talk helped helped me
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  Speaker 7: in any way. I've just been focused on coming in
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  Speaker 7: here and trying to help the team.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I thought he was going to say,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: well it takes three years, right, He's like, no, I
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: felt that way after the second game.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: But he also told the story that her before.
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• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: That kind of take your back saying no, I checked
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  Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the week first touchdown of his career.
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  Speaker 7: He said some of his he's getting a lot of
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, man, I'm six years in.
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  Speaker 7: So he was excited, sent the touchdown ball back to
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 7: his mom, who was excited to receive it, and otherwise
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: just another good day of energy.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Getting ready to head.
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  Speaker 2: Out there to the practice fields.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: Felt huge media contingent again, just I mean, crowded in
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: around Stefan Diggs.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: It's anyone new and notable.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: I don't know about notable so much as but no,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: it's it's just it, you know what it is.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: It always seems like the TV producers are the ones growing.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Like the beat.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: Guys are always there, you know who writes about the team,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 7: there here for everything. But you slowly start to see
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: more cameras and more producer types, not necessarily asking questions,
• 1:52:48
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• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: so yeah, it's just overall continuation of what we've seen
• 1:52:54
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  Speaker 10: You're not in a playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: That is sound logic to me.
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  Speaker 7: Francisco Quick Quick points to tie it back to the
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  Speaker 7: nineties teams like you never know when the number one
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  Speaker 7: seed Broncos are going to lose, and you know that
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  Speaker 7: team that's kind of owned you, and you know, all
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  Speaker 7: of a sudden, an opportunity opens up and here we are. We're,
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  Speaker 7: you know, in the super Bowl just because it lined
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  Speaker 7: up that year. His point, you don't have that opportunity to.
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  Speaker 2: And I just look at, you know, even a bigger pitcher.
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  Speaker 2: There are years like if this was last year, the
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  Speaker 2: way Buffalo is playing, the way Kansas City was playing,
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  Speaker 2: the way Baltimore was playing, I would have said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna get in, but you're going to be fodder. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know for any of those teams, you don't have
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  Speaker 2: a shot. I don't feel like that right now. I
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  Speaker 2: think that the AFC is wide I think the league
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  Speaker 2: in general is wide open. I don't think it's a
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  Speaker 2: very good league this year, and I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good teams, but there really isn't I would
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  Speaker 2: say a great one that I've seen, not yet. The
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  Speaker 2: Colts have played well, and I've been impressed with what
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  Speaker 2: they have doing. I just don't look at them as
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  Speaker 2: a great team right now that they have the best record,
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  Speaker 2: right yeah, you know, should they just like you know,
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  Speaker 2: are they a year ahead of schedule? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: With Daniel Jones, is that sustainable? Should they not want
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  Speaker 2: to win?
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  Speaker 1: Running the ball, get good defense?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you never know when you're going to get an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to make a run.
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  Speaker 1: Did we mention that Chase On got his mike literally
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: just well I mentioned it. We didn't really we didn't
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  Speaker 1: really spend much time on it. But yeah, he did.
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  Speaker 7: The AFC Defensive Player of the Week, first two SAT game,
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  Speaker 7: first touchdown. You know, he's excited and I wrote a
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  Speaker 7: little bit about it. Just the guy, first round pick,
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  Speaker 7: twentieth overall. I mean, he's now a half sack from
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  Speaker 7: tying his career high from last year that he set
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  Speaker 7: with the Raiders.
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of clicking for him, I think.
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  Speaker 7: And he just seems in this defense where they're just
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 7: asking you go get Seaball, get ball, he's able to
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  Speaker 7: use his quickness, his length and now it's been a
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: really good sign.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to do trade that line stuff.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of emails about the trade deadline, which
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: is let's see November eight, eight twelve days away, less
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: than two weeks is the trade deadline. So we'll get
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: into that as we get closer. I'm not expecting anything big,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: are you big? Probably not, But I'm expecting a moving
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: me too, Me too. I'm expecting a running back. Uh
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: henryk from Norway. He says, thank you for always having
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  Speaker 1: interesting and fun conversations about the Patriots in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: in general, listening to Unfiltered helps us understand so much
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  Speaker 1: about football, making us appreciate the sport in more ways
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: than we would otherwise know. At least that's how it
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: is for me. You all do amazing work. If you
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  Speaker 1: ever decided to do a podcast seven days a week,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be absolutely interested in it for the right price.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody's got a price. Have some questions regarding the
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  Speaker 1: arm strength and arm talent between quarterbacks in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Can you please rank the top ten quarterbacks with the
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  Speaker 1: strongest arm currently playing in the league? And also can
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: you also rank the top ten quarterbacks with the strongest
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  Speaker 1: arm of all time? Wow? And one more, please rank
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  Speaker 1: the top ten quarterbacks with best arm of all time?
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  Speaker 1: So best versus strong? And he's got his own lists.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know do we want to get into this.
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  Speaker 2: I can't do this all right?
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  Speaker 1: List of So he's got three categories strongest arm. This
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  Speaker 1: is now current time, current, all time strongest.
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  Speaker 2: I would say Josh Allen strong second, and then.
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  Speaker 1: All time with the best arm. So he differentiates best and.
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  Speaker 2: So what's his list of top ten current strongest arms?
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  Speaker 2: Current current?
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers,
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  Speaker 1: Drake may Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence Baker, Mayfield, Joe Burrow, KAYLEB.
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  Speaker 2: Williams belongs on that list.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Joe Milton has a stronger arm than all of them.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a quarterback. Who what's the next list about
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback? He's not a starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he didn't say starting quarterback. You have to play
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  Speaker 1: to have a strong Okay, all right, all time lists
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  Speaker 1: with the strongest arm. John Elway, I.
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  Speaker 2: Would agree with that. Brett Farva, I would agree with
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  Speaker 2: that too.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: Jeff Georgia, Oh, greater one, yep, good one. Michael Vick, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, yeah, Josh Allen Mahomes, Rogers, Marino, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean hearts argue with any of the guys on
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  Speaker 2: this and Tom Brady, I don't know. Not the strongest arm,
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  Speaker 2: but they're good enough arm yep. And then like the
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: best arm Tom Brady.
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  Speaker 1: So he's got Tom Brady at top of best arm
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: that he's got, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees, John Elway, Brett Farvara, Patrick Mahomes, and Dan Fouts.
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  Speaker 2: Yea heart to argue with his name.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know definition of best arm because if
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  Speaker 1: best arm is accuracy, okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's a cop see to me, best arm is a
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  Speaker 2: combination of everything like accurate, strong, can make all the
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  Speaker 2: throws sculpted. Yeah, like I like I don't like Drew
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: Brees in terms of his accuracy and timing is elite.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he had a great arm, right like,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that he was one of ten arms.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: Same with Joe min Is his His strength is his
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: mental parts, it's not his arm. Yeah, yeah, timing, I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't put him in the best arm category.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: Are his accuracy factor into having a great armor?
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  Speaker 6: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: It does. I think Aaron Rodgers gets into the best
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: arm He's he's near that.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: For me, he's no way it would be one.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: But Rogers is hard to argue. What about Slinging Sammy
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: bah I don't forget about him.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: You speak intelligently on that, Dan Pasterini, No, no, no, no, okay,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: all right, Dan Pastin.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: I mean there's some guys back in the day, j Jones, come,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: Joe namath Is and in the Joe absolutely Bert Jones
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  Speaker 1: had a great arm. Yeah, Johnny United, Actually Johnny United
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a very good arm.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: I have never saw Johnny United's play.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you neither or my time. But
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: you know, Sammy Bob got the name slinging right.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's the only quarterback in the league that through
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: at the time, Sammy Ball, how long are we going here?
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like you giving him a
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: little extra.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 7: For the for the f I'm just gonna let a
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 7: roll see where we ended up.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: Oh geez, I forgot I didn't even see that. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Well that's it. I gotta I gotta meet.
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  Speaker 2: That's two forty five.
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  Speaker 1: Mike would was a little late, so you know, all right,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: that's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
• 2:04:44
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• 2:04:47
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• 2:04:50
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• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: more on the Browns, any new news. See if the
• 2:04:56
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• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: show little bit what the sharps think and then we'll
• 2:05:03
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