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Credlin | 1 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Well we're getting close,
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Speaker 2: aren't we. He's what's coming up to night on Kredline.
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Speaker 2: Two days to go now until six o'clock on Poling Day.
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Speaker 2: Will then start to know exactly where we stand as
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Speaker 2: a country. I'm going to check in with both campaigns.
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Speaker 2: And that awkward exchange too between the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 2: one of his own volunteers. You might have missed that.
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Speaker 2: I will make sure you don't now you think too Labor.
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Speaker 2: Former Labor PM Tony Blair's comments that Net zero is
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Speaker 2: doomed to fail would have sent shockwaves through both the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister here and Chris Bowen, but apparently not, and
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Speaker 2: both double down today on our energy madness. Chris Yulman
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Speaker 2: later on why Blair's intervention so significant, Plus the plot
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Speaker 2: thickens when it comes to those Beijing linked volunteers. As
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Speaker 2: Labor Party member at the center of it all says
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Speaker 2: he's been helping Labor MPs four years and Sirius can
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Speaker 2: concerns mounting over the sheer amount of spending Labor has promised.
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Speaker 2: Today the Prime Minister refusing to rule out new taxes.
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Speaker 1: Do you undertake not to raise any taxes?
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Speaker 3: Well, what we've got and there is our policies out
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Speaker 3: there for all to see.
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Speaker 2: But first, with just forty eight hours before the poll's
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Speaker 2: officially close and counting then gets underway, I still hope
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Speaker 2: that voters will not reward a bad government with three
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Speaker 2: more years to wreak havoc on our economy, our communities,
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Speaker 2: our culture and our country. And sure, Anthony Albert easy
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Speaker 2: to run a slick campaign, but as I've often remarked,
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Speaker 2: he is good at the political thuggery, but hopeless of governing.
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Speaker 2: And we've seen that thuggery at its worst with a
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Speaker 2: ferocious attacks on Peter Dutton, the character assassination attempts largely
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Speaker 2: based on lies. Here he was again today.
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton opposed every costably measure because he had a
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Speaker 3: view that if people were worse off, it would be
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Speaker 3: better off for him politically put it up and spend
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Speaker 3: every waking moment trying to talk austral down, trying to
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Speaker 3: divide Australians.
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Speaker 2: Are we as a people really going to elect a
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Speaker 2: PM who is as shameless as that in asserting what
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Speaker 2: is known to be false he keeps saying that the
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Speaker 2: coalition's nuclear plan will cost some six hundred billion dollars. Mate,
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Speaker 2: you say this, it's not you know it's not.
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Speaker 1: You know it. You know it's not.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not.
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Speaker 3: You've been called out on this a lot you have
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Speaker 3: been you have six hundred I've saying this a lot
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Speaker 3: which has been four He keeps saying six hundred and.
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Speaker 2: Six hundred billion is a lie. It comes from a
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Speaker 2: renewable energy lobby group top heavy with labor stooges and
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Speaker 2: connected with a whole lot of rich yess. He said
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Speaker 2: to make millions and millions for the me increased increased
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Speaker 2: use of renewables. Now I expose this first in the
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Speaker 2: Australian newspaper about three weeks ago, and now with one
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Speaker 2: of the Credlin regulars, James Willis in the Daily Telegraph.
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Speaker 2: We've kept digging into this Smart Energy Council and the
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Speaker 2: more we've dug, the more we've uncovered. And it's a
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Speaker 2: lie pedaled by the government that's never fully costed its
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Speaker 2: own energy transition that some experts say it will cost
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Speaker 2: some one point five trillion dollars by twenty thirty. Albanezi
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Speaker 2: keeps saying that the government has turned a seventy eight
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Speaker 2: billion dollar deficit two into two surpluses.
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Speaker 3: We turned a seventy eight billion dollar deficit in a
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Speaker 3: twenty two billion dollar surplus in our first year. We
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Speaker 3: produced another surplus the next year.
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Speaker 2: And that's a lie. He inherited half of that, and
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Speaker 2: he has been fact checked most days in this campaign.
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Speaker 2: He said they'd been had been no rush approach to
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Speaker 2: Indonesia for basing rights for military aircraft on their soil.
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Speaker 2: Now that was another lie too. He keeps saying that
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Speaker 2: Peter dartt and ripped some fifty billion out of health
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Speaker 2: spending and that he will destroy Medicare.
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Speaker 3: That's the claim the incoming Liberal government. The last time
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Speaker 3: they won fifty billion dollars out of the hospital system.
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Speaker 3: This minister, when Peter was the Health minister, tried to
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Speaker 3: introduce the GP tax, which would have abolished bulk billing
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Speaker 3: all together.
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Speaker 2: Now that's in a specially blatant lie from a government
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Speaker 2: that's presided over a ten percentage point drop in bulk billing.
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Speaker 2: Even voters with very low expectations of politicians should balk
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Speaker 2: at returning a liar to the lodge, especially when they
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Speaker 2: consider what three more years of labor might look like.
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Speaker 2: Power prices that will keep going up. Blackouts and brownouts
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Speaker 2: will become more frequent. Just look at Spain and Portugal
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Speaker 2: this week, and more and more of our natural environment
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Speaker 2: blighted by the forests of wind turbines and acres solar
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Speaker 2: panels needed for Chris Bowen's renewables only fantasy lawfare and
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Speaker 2: governmental ghost slows will stop all new fossil fuel projects
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Speaker 2: from becoming operational, geminizing our exports and putting our prosperity
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Speaker 2: at risk. Not to mention, the federal budget that's already
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Speaker 2: in debt to the tune of one trillion dollars is
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Speaker 2: al but easy borrows more and more money from overseas.
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Speaker 2: Right now, that debt's costing US some sixty five million
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Speaker 2: dollars a day in interest payments, or twenty four billion
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Speaker 2: dollars a year. Our farmers too, They'll be impoverished by
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Speaker 2: new rules to cull our herds, ban live animal exports,
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Speaker 2: and restrict vegetation management. Even though we're less than one
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Speaker 2: percent of global emissions, and the big admitters they're doing
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Speaker 2: nothing like this sort of self harm to their own countries.
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Speaker 2: But despite doing all this and a bit to stock
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Speaker 2: climate change, you can be certain there'll still be droughts,
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Speaker 2: flood storms and fire, because that's been a lot of
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Speaker 2: humanity since the dawn of time. Under a re elected
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Speaker 2: Albanezer government, spending will keep going up and that means
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Speaker 2: new and higher taxes will have to be found. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: when pushed today, the Prime Minister refused to rule this out.
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Speaker 1: Do you undertake not to raise any taxes?
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Speaker 3: Well, what we've got and there is our policies out
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Speaker 3: there for all to see.
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Speaker 1: So you won't raise any taxes.
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Speaker 3: So that what we've got out there Andrew is lower taxes.
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Speaker 2: So watch out new taxes on landlords and investors by
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Speaker 2: the ending of negative gearing or the capital gains taxed
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Speaker 2: discount measures where labors already sought modeling, or they'll come
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Speaker 2: up with some other stupid scheme that gets cooked up
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Speaker 2: by Treasury or Jim Charmers. Now we already know that
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Speaker 2: taxing unrealized capital gains will happen if labor gets back in.
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Speaker 2: So if the value of your million dollar home, say
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Speaker 2: when up by four percent, you'd have to pay tax
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Speaker 2: on forty thousand dollars of profit, regardless of whether you've
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Speaker 2: sold it or not.
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Speaker 4: One of the most contentious parts of it is this
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Speaker 4: method of raising revenue through taxing unrealized capital gains. Would
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Speaker 4: you be willing to pursue a compromise version of this?
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Speaker 3: We have our policy, We've had legislation, it's been before
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Speaker 3: the Parliament and that's our policy.
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Speaker 2: Under a re elected Labor government, Australia will keep cutting
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Speaker 2: defense spending to pay for RUCUS, and you can bet
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Speaker 2: the Greens we'll try and ensure that the promised nuclear
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Speaker 2: subs never arrive, because nuclear subs are proof positive that
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Speaker 2: nuclear power is safe. Because if it's safe enough to
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Speaker 2: put Australian sub mariners in a nuclear boat, it's safe
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Speaker 2: enough to use nuclear to give us baseload power. That's
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Speaker 2: why the left hate it. If Labor gets back into power,
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Speaker 2: they will not stop the push to Australia day into
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Speaker 2: invasion day. And as a country, we'll keep admitting record
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Speaker 2: levels of migrants, maybe another three thousand from Gaza four, five, six,
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Speaker 2: ten thousand, maybe without any expectation that they will join
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Speaker 2: Team Australia and a government that's still pushing on with
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Speaker 2: a so called treaty in truth despite that voice defeat,
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Speaker 2: or they will try to bring back in the voice
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Speaker 2: that you rejected via the back door through legislation, with
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Speaker 2: Minister Anika Wells saying today that while the voice and
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Speaker 2: I quote well, we took what we took to the
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Speaker 2: referendums gone, but always we're looking for ways to help
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Speaker 2: First Nations people. Here she is.
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Speaker 4: The voice in the form that we took to the
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Speaker 4: referendum is gone. We respect the opinions and the votes
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Speaker 4: of people. They made that very clear, but we're always
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Speaker 4: looking for ways to help First Nations people and for
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Speaker 4: that policy to be tangible and credible.
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Speaker 2: Now, when christ about this again today, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: just blathered on about a referendum option, but he did
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Speaker 2: not rule out legislation and of course a treaty. He
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Speaker 2: remains very committed to that. Remember Ulurus statement is full.
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Speaker 2: He said, well, it does not require a referendum either.
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Speaker 1: What's going to happen with the other pillars of the
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Speaker 1: Ularu statement like the macarata if you're elected.
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Speaker 3: Look look, Andrew. The only person who has promised another
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Speaker 3: referendum this term, by the way, coming up is Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is there'll be no referendums in the
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Speaker 3: next term if I'm elected Prime Minister on Saturday.
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Speaker 2: See how he talks about referendum. He doesn't need a
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Speaker 2: referend for a treaty, he doesn't need a referendum for Macarata,
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Speaker 2: and he can do the voice by stealth via legislation
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Speaker 2: with the Greens and the Teals. Now is this really
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Speaker 2: what the Australian people want? I doubt it very much.
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Speaker 2: I hope in prayer I am right. But in the end,
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Speaker 2: in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve
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Speaker 2: and by God, we do not deserve another three years
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Speaker 2: of this, do we?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: Less than forty eight hours, as I said now before
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Speaker 2: the polls will close on Saturday, at least for those
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Speaker 2: on the east coast of the country. Let's check it
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Speaker 2: out with the PM's campaigning team joining me now, senior
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Speaker 2: reporter at Trudy Macintosh. Another busy day with a PM.
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Speaker 2: Where was he targeting Trudy? Well?
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Speaker 4: A busy day, Peter, And we can't say it was
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Speaker 4: because we've still got a long way to go. Today
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Speaker 4: we're here at Tayfesa. We've just arrived in the labor
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Speaker 4: seat of booth By. It was one at the last
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Speaker 4: election on a margin of three point three percent. At
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Speaker 4: the moment, the Liberals are eyeing this off with Nicole Flint,
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Speaker 4: the former MP, running again, so the Prome this is
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Speaker 4: expected to arrive any moment now. But before this he
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Speaker 4: was at a pre poll booth in the leafy seat
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Speaker 4: of Sturt. It's one that's been in liberal hands for
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Speaker 4: a very long time, but a combination of the Greens
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Speaker 4: and Labor there there is a real sense of optimism
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Speaker 4: from Labor that it is within reach. Before that, we
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Speaker 4: were in Perth this morning, a visit to a school
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Speaker 4: in Tangy. The Prime Minister mobbed by school children. They're
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Speaker 4: a little small factor that they can't vote. But the
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister, when asked about that, said well they can
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Speaker 4: talk to their parents about it. So this has been
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Speaker 4: the end of that campaigning so far. From here we
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Speaker 4: are flying to another state. We're told six states in
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Speaker 4: just the space of a few days. We've still got
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Speaker 4: at least three to go from here, Peter, so a
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Speaker 4: bit of a marathon to go, despite the fact that
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Speaker 4: we are edging closer to the polls closing.
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Speaker 2: All right, I know you're looking forward to Sunday morning. Truly,
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Speaker 2: I don't suspect you'll get a sleep in, but we'll
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Speaker 2: see how we go. Thanks for joining me tonight and
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Speaker 2: well done on all your work too throughout the campaign.
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Speaker 2: Shout out there too in Boothby to my very dear
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Speaker 2: friend Nicole Flint. I hope you get there on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: Now to Peter Dutton campaigny in Tasmania today they're in
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Speaker 2: the air, so cam Redden has filed this report.
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Speaker 5: We've just sticked under fifty hours until the first polls
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Speaker 5: shut on the East Coast. That's how close we are
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Speaker 5: to the finish line of this campaign. After receiving a
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Speaker 5: kiss of good luck from the Salvos in his own
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Speaker 5: seat of Dixon this morning, Peter Dutton has come here
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Speaker 5: to agfest in Lonceston, in the labor seat of Lions.
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Speaker 1: That's really ky, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: What have you done to your finger?
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Speaker 1: They're all broken.
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Speaker 6: That's why you've got to school, I guess. And you're
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Speaker 6: here to spend some money have a look around.
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Speaker 3: Yet pretty good.
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Speaker 5: At this The coalition's costings promised lower debt and an
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Speaker 5: improved budget bottom line, but behind in the polls he's
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Speaker 5: asking voters to pass judgment on the last three years,
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Speaker 5: not his five week campaign. You believe you can win
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Speaker 5: this election.
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Speaker 6: There's no doubt in my mind that we can. And
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Speaker 6: I think if you look at the quality of the
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Speaker 6: candidates that we've selected, particularly in seats which have traditionally
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Speaker 6: been Labour seats, you've got lazy incumbent labor members and
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Speaker 6: we've got hard working members.
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Speaker 1: Peter.
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Speaker 5: We've been promised as many as twenty eight seat visits
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Speaker 5: over the course of this final week. This is number
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Speaker 5: fourteen for the opposition leader. The pace picking up as
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Speaker 5: we round the turn for home of this election, Camp Pa.
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Speaker 2: All right, following me on from my colleague Angel Canal's
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Speaker 2: very pointed question to the Prime Minister at the Press
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Speaker 2: Club yesterday. Well, he's followed up today with an interview
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Speaker 2: in which he did much of what the media has
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Speaker 2: failed to do in this campaign.
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Speaker 3: It's important that universal healthcare and free health care through
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Speaker 3: medicare be provided, just like every child has access to
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Speaker 3: a public.
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Speaker 1: But for a GP. For a GP, though, that's different.
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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on hospitals, but why for
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Speaker 1: a GP.
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Speaker 3: The last budget handed down by the coalition delivered not one.
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Speaker 1: So you can so can you deliver a surplus? Again?
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Speaker 3: What I won't do is to speculate. What I will
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Speaker 3: do to say that we're being responsible economic managers and
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Speaker 3: will continue to do so. We'll continue to look for
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Speaker 3: savings where they're appropriate.
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Speaker 1: Do you undertake not raised any taxes?
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Speaker 3: Well, what we've got and there is our policies out
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Speaker 3: there for all to.
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Speaker 1: See, so you won't raise any taxes, so.
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Speaker 3: That what we've got out there Andrew is lower taxes.
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Speaker 2: Gentlemen. I had to discuss this my panel tonight, former
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Speaker 2: Labor MP Michael Damian, media commentator Carole Katz and barnas well.
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Speaker 2: Lots of questions there, pointed questions, questions that he's not
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Speaker 2: been getting on the road for some time, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of you wouldn't answer no.
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Speaker 7: And he hasn't ruled out raising taxes, has he? I mean,
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Speaker 7: it's all just it's like a word salad. He's made
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Speaker 7: the eight and a half billion dollar commitment to medicare
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Speaker 7: matched by Peter Dutton, but he can't even give a
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Speaker 7: forecast to you know, to twenty twenty eight as to
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Speaker 7: how this is actually going to work. And we've seen
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Speaker 7: a lot of associations, you know, the Australian Association of
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Speaker 7: Practice Management, that have said the majority of clinics will
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Speaker 7: not be able to be bolt builled even if they
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Speaker 7: take advantage of all the incentives. It just won't work.
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Speaker 7: It just won't work. And we see he's flashed his
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Speaker 7: Medicare card. People are going to have to flash their
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Speaker 7: credit cards still to be able to.
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Speaker 2: Afford to go to the doctor.
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Speaker 7: It's just words, there's no actual action. And it's also
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Speaker 7: he has just continued to perpetuate lies against Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 7: You know, he won't admit that the bolt willing rates
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Speaker 7: were higher under the last Liberal government and that is disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: He just asserts and asserts and asserts, and on the
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Speaker 2: issue of the inherited deficit, he says it's seventy eight billion.
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Speaker 2: The facts are it's in the thirties thirty two. He's
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Speaker 2: been pulled up about this Michael repeatedly, but that he's
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Speaker 2: like just a wind up toy. He goes back to
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Speaker 2: the start of the program and just runs out the
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Speaker 2: seventy eight billion again. There's no attempt to pull his
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Speaker 2: head in when he's been shown to give us a
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Speaker 2: false number that stuff today when he talks, well it
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Speaker 2: refused to rule out raising taxes as carely says, but
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Speaker 2: also unrealized capital gains. I mean, I know you've spoken
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Speaker 2: out on that one. This is a very very significant
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Speaker 2: change to Australia's tax practice practice and once it happens,
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Speaker 2: it will creep across everything as sure as night follows day.
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Speaker 8: Ross Green would said today that it's going to have
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Speaker 8: unintended consequences in investment patterns. People are going to have
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Speaker 8: to sell parts of their portfolio, get rid of some
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Speaker 8: of their superannuation to stay under the limit. And while
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Speaker 8: it only affects zero point five percent of people, it's
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Speaker 8: going to creep out if it doesn't. It's not index,
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Speaker 8: it's not index index. Well, so that's exactly how these
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Speaker 8: things happen. And it's like that Frankin credits thing. But
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Speaker 8: the problem is Peter too late, she cried, people have
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Speaker 8: just working up to it. Where's the press gallery been
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Speaker 8: on all of these kinds of issues. I mean, I
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Speaker 8: believe they should be elected if they are worthy of it,
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Speaker 8: but these issues should be addressed. Like the Greens get
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Speaker 8: away with not revealing that they've just reintroduced in twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty five, a secret dymnastic wealth transfer tax. So everyone
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Speaker 8: in Middle Park and South Melbourne's going to have to
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Speaker 8: sell their houses because all the housing prices are up.
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Speaker 8: So they're up there so far, and all the thirty
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Speaker 8: or forty year olds who I think they're going to
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Speaker 8: get to their folks homes when they pass, you have
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Speaker 8: to sell it.
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Speaker 2: This, I mean, this is the point on the Green
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Speaker 2: I want to get to another matter in the moment.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Greens want warnings on junk food, right,
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Speaker 2: warnings on junk food, but they want to legalize crystal myth.
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Speaker 2: Help me explain that one. It doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 7: And you know, the Greens have got a lot of
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Speaker 7: dangerous policies that a lot of people just don't realize
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Speaker 7: that they're relentless anymore. No, and they will not give up.
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Speaker 7: They just will not give up with whatever it is,
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Speaker 7: and they live just uterly.
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Speaker 8: They've become a sort of grim Marxist party. They're no
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Speaker 8: longer coalas and against the air pollution. It's very much
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Speaker 8: changed from very militant, well from Bob brownsday.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about this Chinese labor connection. Your labor
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Speaker 2: ministers are now embroiled in all of this. When pushed
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Speaker 2: on it, the operative today says, well, lookoffin doing this
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Speaker 2: for years. I've been doing this for election after election.
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Speaker 2: The bloke's names Labor Party member Chap Chao. He describes
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Speaker 2: himself as a political organizer, a friend of the O'Neills.
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Speaker 2: Now you and I know if the authorities were to
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Speaker 2: dig into this, Michael Damby, there is a lot in this.
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Speaker 8: The United Front is described by China's communist Heji as
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Speaker 8: its magic weapon. And all of these people work for
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Speaker 8: the United Front, and Peter, I'm sorry. They're on both
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Speaker 8: sides of politics. They volunteer to hand out at pre polling,
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Speaker 8: they volunteer funds, they volunteer organizers. Some of the blokes
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Speaker 8: who work for Premier Andrews were multicultural advisors.
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Speaker 2: They've been in the United State. Can follow this. They're
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Speaker 2: looking for the softest government option to be elected and
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Speaker 2: they're happy to steer it that way that will be
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Speaker 2: advantageous to Beijing.
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Speaker 8: Well, oh, I hasn't the Prime minister been able to
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Speaker 8: use the word China in the election campaign. They circumnavigated
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Speaker 8: Australia twice before the election happened, and I'm sorry, Peter.
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Speaker 8: The Liberal Party too has got a foreign spokesman. I've
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Speaker 8: never heard of him, and he's very sympathetic to the
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Speaker 8: soft on China view of.
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Speaker 2: The world as foption game. She has been caught out, though, yes,
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Speaker 2: has been caught out. The evidence is here. We already
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Speaker 2: know that Daniel Andrews is acting as an advisor as
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Speaker 2: an advisor to the Prime Minister on his campaign. I
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Speaker 2: think that's where we're getting the ball face lies and
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Speaker 2: I think that's where we're getting their links to China.
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Speaker 8: But the bigger picture is on both sides of politics,
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Speaker 8: Beijing has to some extent shifted the debate and we
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Speaker 8: can't discuss it should have been an election about defense
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Speaker 8: and foreign affairs. I don't know who the Liberal Party
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Speaker 8: spokesman is. I've never heard of him. Why isn't Shama
19:55
Speaker 8: or Patterson the foreign spokesman when Birmingham retired. But the
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Speaker 8: whole point is it's a very insidious campaign from the
20:04
Speaker 8: lower levels, like pre polling right up to donations.
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Speaker 2: Let's keep moving. I want to show some footage if
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Speaker 2: I can care it picked up by Channel seven cameras
20:12
Speaker 2: in exchange with the Prime Minister. This is at the
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Speaker 2: Benolong polling pre polling booths. The person who approaches the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is actually a labor volunteer. Have a look
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Speaker 2: at this.
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Speaker 1: As me.
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Speaker 9: Yeah yeah yeah, authorized Liberal Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Picture says a thousand words.
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Speaker 7: Sure does, Sure does.
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Speaker 2: Very dismissive. But do we expect anything else.
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Speaker 7: We know that this has been swirling around as well,
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Speaker 7: this story about Chap Chow and the others. You can
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Speaker 7: tell that he just wants to remain at arm's length.
20:49
Speaker 7: It's not good. It also shows that he views a
20:52
Speaker 7: lot of people as disposable. He views the Australian public
20:56
Speaker 7: as disposable. He can just do a litany of lies
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Speaker 7: the election campaign, as we see, disgraceful with what's been told,
21:04
Speaker 7: and you know so untruthful as well. Your columns outline
21:08
Speaker 7: it so well, and so do the show, so does Sky.
21:11
Speaker 7: But unfortunately the Australian public, if you're told lies long enough,
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Speaker 7: a lot of the Australian public savy believe the repetition,
21:19
Speaker 7: the repetition about the nuclear reaction to.
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Speaker 8: The common TV broad and they don't. All of the
21:23
Speaker 8: young ones just see fifteen seconds on their iPhone. It's
21:28
Speaker 8: very difficult to establish a common basis or a follow
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Speaker 8: up to any issue.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about these guides to the e merged
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Speaker 2: on websites, Michael, their dodgy election guides. There's two that
21:39
Speaker 2: I want to point out. One is called vote Guide.
21:42
Speaker 2: The other one is build a Ballot. This is an
21:44
Speaker 2: investigation by the Herald Sun. When you go in, you
21:47
Speaker 2: put the issues that you care about and some of
21:50
Speaker 2: the motivations for you in terms of values, and it
21:52
Speaker 2: will then tell you where you should put your vote.
21:55
Speaker 2: Now people have gone in there, they're put in a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of Liberal party values, but it's said or
21:59
Speaker 2: you need to vote for Labor, or you should vote
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Speaker 2: for the Greens. And the other one, Build a Vote,
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Speaker 2: leads our key coalition policies. The AAC says, our hands
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Speaker 2: are tied. We can't do anything about this. This is
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Speaker 2: a real concern to me and I think something has
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Speaker 2: to be done.
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Speaker 8: There are so many things that the AAC should be
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Speaker 8: doing that have come out in this selection and this
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Speaker 8: is another one of them.
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Speaker 9: Peter.
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Speaker 8: The biggest one to me is I'm sorry that it's
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Speaker 8: going to be dealt with partially by the next parliament.
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Speaker 8: With a change in donations to climate two thousand. But
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Speaker 8: it is outrageous that commercial interest is being able to
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Speaker 8: influence MPs with huge amounts of donations and not being
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Speaker 8: called out for it. I mean, it's really something should
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Speaker 8: deal with. But I can tell you the amount of
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Speaker 8: money that's being spent in Goldstein and kur Young. I
22:52
Speaker 8: could never spend that amount of money. I was a
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Speaker 8: very good fundraiser, raised all of my own money, but
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Speaker 8: I could never spend it in Melbourne Port to the
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Speaker 8: extent that these two were getting it. And it's just
23:03
Speaker 8: like stuffing their throats with butter. A million dollars in
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Speaker 8: one federal electorate unheard of, unprecedented and it's unethical.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know all these claims the Trump US
23:14
Speaker 2: style politicking is being brought to Australia by the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: It's not two whatever they Yeah, I'm bring it. I'll
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Speaker 2: oive it there. I want to go round some seats
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Speaker 2: in a moment. Thank you and good luck for everyone
23:27
Speaker 2: watching on Saturday night. Let's go. As I said, I
23:29
Speaker 2: want to go around some seats and one of those
23:32
Speaker 2: this is what I'm going to watch very closely actually
23:34
Speaker 2: on Saturday night, because this is the sort of seat
23:37
Speaker 2: that will make or break Labour's chances of hanging on
23:39
Speaker 2: to government tender. I have to say Daniel Andrews will
23:43
Speaker 2: be a ghost on many of these booths out in
23:46
Speaker 2: the seat of Hawk. This seat is in Melbourne's northwest.
23:49
Speaker 2: It's one of the key mortgage belt electorates that labor
23:53
Speaker 2: needs to hang on to power. They hold it now
23:56
Speaker 2: with a margin of seven point six percent, so it's
23:59
Speaker 2: going to take a big to shift it away from them.
24:01
Speaker 2: But inside is that I trust out there say that
24:04
Speaker 2: there are long term frustrations that could play out and
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Speaker 2: send labor votes over a cliff. Someone who hopes that
24:12
Speaker 2: will happen, so that they've been working very hard to
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Speaker 2: make that happen. Liberal candidate for Hawk, Simone Cotton joins me. Now, welcome, Simone.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the program. As I said,
24:22
Speaker 2: I've spoken to a lot of people out your way,
24:24
Speaker 2: people I've known for many years, and I trust They
24:27
Speaker 2: say you're working hard like no one has out that way.
24:30
Speaker 2: You're a local, but labor things that can survive. That's
24:35
Speaker 2: not what I'm hearing. What are the factors you think
24:38
Speaker 2: that are driving people away from labor?
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Speaker 10: Hi, Peter, thank you so much. For having me this evening.
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Speaker 10: A lot of residents have been speaking to me over
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Speaker 10: the last eight months and they just feel they're being
24:49
Speaker 10: neglected and taken for granted. They vote for the same
24:53
Speaker 10: people over and over and they miss out on infrastructure.
24:57
Speaker 10: People move out here. We don't have the roads, we
24:59
Speaker 10: don't hospitals, we don't have electrification of our trains, and
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Speaker 10: people are telling me that they've had enough.
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Speaker 2: Transport. You mentioned that. I know it's a big one.
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Speaker 2: I was out on the Western Highway the other day,
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Speaker 2: so for Melbourne and Victorians, that's the road out of
25:15
Speaker 2: Melbourne to Ballarat. I've driven it before. It is a shocker.
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Speaker 2: I reckon it's one of the worst roads in the country.
25:21
Speaker 2: It's right out there with the Bruce Highway in Queensland.
25:24
Speaker 2: That's one of the ones that crisscross through Hawk That
25:29
Speaker 2: is a huge issue. Petrol prices is a huge issue.
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Speaker 2: Are these being raised with you in the campaign? Yes? Absolutely.
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Speaker 10: Nearly everybody in Melton and Backlas Smash will mention to
25:41
Speaker 10: me the Western Freeway and how it's frustrating. Many people
25:45
Speaker 10: that live in Thornhill Park need to get on at
25:47
Speaker 10: Mount Cultural Road, come up to ferrist Road, to do
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Speaker 10: a U turn to be able to go into this city.
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Speaker 10: So that's why we've committed the one point one billion dollars,
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Speaker 10: and in that we need to duplicate ferrist Road to
25:57
Speaker 10: get the traffic flowing better. Time of the day. It
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Speaker 10: is bumper and a bumper. It's also the road people
26:03
Speaker 10: will need to use to get to the hospital when
26:05
Speaker 10: it's built.
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Speaker 2: People who live outside of you know, inner city Melbourn's
26:11
Speaker 2: but a lot of time in the vehicles. I'm looking
26:12
Speaker 2: behind you, there's an suv either sort of electric car.
26:16
Speaker 2: Not that Chris Bowen wants to push us all out
26:19
Speaker 2: of the coalition is going to get rid of the
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Speaker 2: taxes on these vehicles, Chris Bowen's taxes on these vehicles,
26:26
Speaker 2: as I said, alongside the fuel tax cut. Is this
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Speaker 2: an issue that people are attracted to supporting you to
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Speaker 2: make sure that doesn't happen in the seat of hawk.
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Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely so. Residents in Sunbury, Backismash and Melton. We
26:44
Speaker 10: have so many traders that like to upgrade their cars
26:46
Speaker 10: when needed, and like behind me, a cherator would that'd
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Speaker 10: say fourteen thousand dollars underneath us if we're elected. A
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Speaker 10: lot of people also bring up to me about the
26:55
Speaker 10: cost of petrol. For whatever reason, petrol is so much
26:58
Speaker 10: more expensive here in malt So that's why a lot
27:01
Speaker 10: of people have been really excited by our cut of
27:03
Speaker 10: twenty five cents a leter, saving them up to fourteen
27:06
Speaker 10: dollars when they fill up their car.
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Speaker 2: I know you've got to work right down to the
27:12
Speaker 2: six o'clock wire on Saturday night, so I'll leave it
27:13
Speaker 2: there to mine. Thank you for joining me. As I said,
27:16
Speaker 2: it's one of the seats I'm going to watch very
27:17
Speaker 2: closely on Saturday night. I think is a set of
27:20
Speaker 2: big Daniel Andrews ghosts out there on the polling boothe
27:23
Speaker 2: even right now, quite after break, the PM still won't
27:25
Speaker 2: discuss a hung parliament, but it is the most likely outcome.
27:28
Speaker 2: So what does Labour's cozy preference deals, the secret deals
27:31
Speaker 2: with the Greens suggest about power sharing? Last scare campaigns?
27:36
Speaker 2: They are they now par for the course for our elections?
27:38
Speaker 2: I hope not, but I fear this is the new reality.
27:45
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the comment I'm going to speak to
27:47
Speaker 2: a few more candidates on Saturday, but sorry, a few
27:50
Speaker 2: more candidates to watch on Saturday. We'll do that tonight
27:54
Speaker 2: I'm going to drop into a few of those Gucci
27:56
Speaker 2: Green teal seats as well. But before we do that,
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Speaker 2: for the last time in this campaign, I want to
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Speaker 2: bring in now Bill Shorton's former chief of staff and
28:05
Speaker 2: director of Strategies at GXO, Cameron Milner. Thank you for
28:10
Speaker 2: your time. Great to have you on. I wish I
28:13
Speaker 2: was feeling a bit better. I wish you were feeling
28:15
Speaker 2: a little bit worse tonight. I suspect you will be
28:19
Speaker 2: there in the winner's circle on Saturday night, but I
28:21
Speaker 2: hope to go at Australians wake up and I am wrong.
28:25
Speaker 2: I have to say it's been lackluster on both sides.
28:28
Speaker 2: I scratched my head and say, look, we've got all
28:30
Speaker 2: these big issues facing Australia, We've got all these critical
28:33
Speaker 2: issues globally, and we seem to be talking about asine nothingness,
28:39
Speaker 2: d lulu and slulu and absolute rubbish. I mean, where's
28:42
Speaker 2: the policy, mate, where is the policy?
28:47
Speaker 11: Well, it's a policy freezer, isn't it, Peter. I mean
28:49
Speaker 11: it's all politics and that's the problem. I mean, we're
28:51
Speaker 11: about to have the Labour's worst prime minister on record
28:54
Speaker 11: re elected because of the worst Liberal campaign on record.
28:57
Speaker 9: I mean it's appalling to watch. But here's the situation.
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Speaker 11: I mean, I mean Peter Dunton during the Voice has
29:02
Speaker 11: a man of faith, the man of values, who stood
29:04
Speaker 11: up and said what he wanted to say. And now
29:06
Speaker 11: the Liberal Party machine's got a hold of him. I
29:08
Speaker 11: mean this the headquarters, a bunch of bedweatherers and Eunichs
29:11
Speaker 11: the Liberal Party have got at the moment dumbing him
29:13
Speaker 11: down to backflips and banana bread recipes. I mean it
29:16
Speaker 11: is appalling to see and a little wonder, little wonder
29:19
Speaker 11: that Albot's definitely going to be Prime minister act to Saturday,
29:21
Speaker 11: and he may well get there in his own right.
29:23
Speaker 11: The Liberal campaign has been that bad. Look you know,
29:27
Speaker 11: the old days are much better, Peter. I mean you know,
29:29
Speaker 11: where's the campaign clarity of Tony Abott with a stop
29:32
Speaker 11: the boats and ax the tax I mean the Liberals
29:34
Speaker 11: used to be good at this. This time around there'd
29:36
Speaker 11: been appalling and Albo is going to be a prime
29:38
Speaker 11: minister because of it.
29:41
Speaker 2: I remember when I worked to the Howard government. My
29:43
Speaker 2: first campaign was ninety eight and you used to have
29:46
Speaker 2: to work in a portfolio team to put together documents
29:49
Speaker 2: and I went for the Communications Minister. At the time,
29:51
Speaker 2: we had a policy on the ABC, we had on
29:52
Speaker 2: mobile phone towers, we had one at that stage of
29:55
Speaker 2: the privatization of Telstra. Everything had its policy document. It
29:59
Speaker 2: was costed, it was rech up. You put them all
30:01
Speaker 2: up on their website. You know. The journalists who had
30:04
Speaker 2: more of a brain than some of them do now
30:05
Speaker 2: in camera would pull them and pi that interrogate the costings.
30:09
Speaker 2: None of that happens anymore. And you get a situation
30:11
Speaker 2: where the Prime ministerant, and I'll go to this one again,
30:14
Speaker 2: he's called out repeatedly about the deficit, the quantum of
30:17
Speaker 2: the deficit he inherited, he doubles at every single time.
30:20
Speaker 2: He makes it seventy eight billion. It was not seventy
30:23
Speaker 2: eight billion. But he gets pulled up and then he
30:26
Speaker 2: lies within the next twenty minutes. How does that happen?
30:31
Speaker 11: Well, and you know the howdays he actually took work
30:33
Speaker 11: choices to the electric, He took the GST to the electric,
30:36
Speaker 11: He took big ideas the electric and got voted in.
30:38
Speaker 9: As a consequence, this time around we got the bloc Monge.
30:41
Speaker 11: I mean, this is like a week elbow who has
30:44
Speaker 11: yet another day of another weak idea, another lie and
30:46
Speaker 11: other suffocation like this. I mean, this guy's got away
30:50
Speaker 11: with blue murder during this campaign and hasn't been held
30:52
Speaker 11: to account. And it's not the Camber Galeries job. It's
30:55
Speaker 11: actually his opponent.
30:56
Speaker 9: It's just the Liberal Party who should be putting him
30:58
Speaker 9: through the tests, had him on the ropes. They had
31:01
Speaker 9: him on the ropes the end of last year.
31:07
Speaker 2: No, no, I agree with you. I mean it is
31:09
Speaker 2: ultimately up to the opposition to oppose to put the
31:12
Speaker 2: prime minister under some pressure. I guess my concern here
31:15
Speaker 2: is if the government is returned and it's a hung
31:20
Speaker 2: parliament scenario, there's a deal done. You and I now
31:23
Speaker 2: there's a deal done with the Greens. I mean the
31:24
Speaker 2: Greens and Labor don't exchange preferences in the way they
31:29
Speaker 2: do if there hasn't already been a power sharing deal.
31:33
Speaker 2: Give us a sense of how diabolical that might be.
31:37
Speaker 9: Well, this won't be Waddletree one point zero. This will
31:39
Speaker 9: be an.
31:39
Speaker 11: Elbow and bant, a terrible, terrible situation. I mean, forget
31:43
Speaker 11: our foreign policy in regards to Israel, forget our weak
31:47
Speaker 11: position around China. What we're going to do on tax
31:50
Speaker 11: under the Greens and Albanese I mean this unrealized capital
31:53
Speaker 11: gains tax will be in steroids. On steroids, I mean
31:56
Speaker 11: death tax, inheritance tax. The Greens are a bunch of
31:58
Speaker 11: socialists at the heart of it, and Albow's left wing
32:02
Speaker 11: socialist left will love being told to implement those policies.
32:06
Speaker 11: So we're in for a really, really tough at hard time.
32:09
Speaker 11: And that's why I say I mean, I think soft
32:11
Speaker 11: voters are probably going to plum for Albow in a majority,
32:13
Speaker 11: potentially by Saturday night, but just to stop these rabid
32:17
Speaker 11: Greens actually having whip hand in the next parliament, he
32:22
Speaker 11: will still.
32:23
Speaker 2: Need to do deals to get everything through the Senate though,
32:25
Speaker 2: And you know, if you look at the dark situation
32:28
Speaker 2: of the books, you know the financial numbers are there.
32:31
Speaker 2: We've got our credit rating basically a grave risk. I mean,
32:36
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a pretty difficult next
32:38
Speaker 2: three years economically. There's talk the US will fall into recession.
32:42
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's up to the job.
32:45
Speaker 11: Well, I don't think he's been up to the job
32:47
Speaker 11: for the last three years. But that's what the election
32:48
Speaker 11: was supposed to be. About I mean, this should have
32:50
Speaker 11: been a referend to on Albanize and it hasn't been.
32:52
Speaker 11: I mean, it's been a letter of jail free pass
32:55
Speaker 11: for Albow. So he hasn't been put to the test,
32:57
Speaker 11: he hasn't been brought to account, he hasn't made had
33:00
Speaker 11: to be paid for all the mistakes and all the
33:02
Speaker 11: broken promises.
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Speaker 9: And he's going to get another three years.
33:05
Speaker 11: And as you say, I mean he was quite happy
33:07
Speaker 11: to negotiate with Adam Bant in the last three years
33:09
Speaker 11: for some diabolical legislation. Goodness knows what's in store for
33:12
Speaker 11: Australia in the next.
33:13
Speaker 2: Three Let me ask you about the Voice last night,
33:16
Speaker 2: I said the Voice and Penny Wong's intervention was absolutely
33:21
Speaker 2: pre planned and deliberate. They will bring the Voice back
33:24
Speaker 2: to legislator this time. When pushed about it today, the
33:27
Speaker 2: Prime Minister said, oh, I'm not talking about a referendum
33:30
Speaker 2: for treaty. I'm not talking about a referendum for truth telling,
33:33
Speaker 2: which is Macarata. Well, it doesn't need a referendum for
33:35
Speaker 2: either of those. That was obfuscation, correct me if I'm wrong.
33:39
Speaker 11: Yes, now you're absolutely right, Peter, and I think you
33:43
Speaker 11: called out perfectly on the program last night. This was premeditated.
33:47
Speaker 11: I mean, Penny Wong is precision ordinance. She doesn't say
33:49
Speaker 11: a single thing without meaning what she means. And so
33:52
Speaker 11: the situation here is they've deliberately done it before polling
33:54
Speaker 11: day because there's so much hubris, so much arrogance from Labor.
33:57
Speaker 11: They're going to ram the Voice through in the parliament
34:00
Speaker 11: next next parliament. And the reason why they've done it
34:01
Speaker 11: before polling day they're going to say to voters, Oh,
34:03
Speaker 11: but we told you about it before Saturday, we told
34:05
Speaker 11: you about before polling day. Now, this could have been
34:08
Speaker 11: ruled out absolutely. Instead Annika Wells went out and doubled
34:11
Speaker 11: down on it today. So the Voice is absolutely Albo's plan.
34:15
Speaker 11: It was his surprise moment on election night last time,
34:18
Speaker 11: and he desperately wants to voice truth and treaty as
34:21
Speaker 11: his legacy in this next parliament.
34:25
Speaker 2: Well just before we go. I mean, I think it's
34:28
Speaker 2: Buckley's chances he will be there at the next election.
34:33
Speaker 9: What do you yes? Oh, look I've written about this too, Peter.
34:37
Speaker 11: I mean, there's no way the Labour Party's DNA lets
34:40
Speaker 11: a week bloke like Albow survive more than about twelve months.
34:42
Speaker 11: So even if he gets him across the line, there'll
34:44
Speaker 11: be a bit of a Hurrah rah and stuff like that,
34:46
Speaker 11: and then suddenly the knives will be out. Tony Burk's
34:48
Speaker 11: too old not to go have a gregator. Jim Chalmers
34:50
Speaker 11: is too talented not to stay around there. Tell you
34:52
Speaker 11: plever Sex who's going to be snubbed will want to
34:54
Speaker 11: be leader. There's a whole group of people who are
34:56
Speaker 11: so much better to lead labor than Albo.
35:00
Speaker 2: Well taxpayers. I have to say, wait till he walks
35:03
Speaker 2: Jody down the aisle on the lawns of Kirabilly House.
35:06
Speaker 2: After that happens. If he was to win, I'm not
35:09
Speaker 2: saying he's going to win yet, but if he wins,
35:11
Speaker 2: I reckon it's game on then, Cameron. I've loved talking
35:14
Speaker 2: to you, another campaign practitioner with me every week during
35:18
Speaker 2: this campaign. It's been terrific. Thank you and forgive me.
35:23
Speaker 2: But I won't wish you good luck on Saturday night.
35:25
Speaker 2: All right, right, we'll drop into two more key seats.
35:27
Speaker 2: There are teal seats. These are teal seats, blipsick, they
35:30
Speaker 2: could get them on Saturday Night class. Chris Yelman net zero.
35:34
Speaker 2: We're going to get into that in a moment as well.
35:40
Speaker 2: Welcome back still to come the astounding intervention and the
35:43
Speaker 2: energy debate around the world from former Labor PM UK
35:47
Speaker 2: Labor PM Tony Blair. And while it completely up ends
35:50
Speaker 2: Labor's net zero agenda here in Australia, But first, given
35:54
Speaker 2: the campaign stumbles of her rival, you might want to
35:57
Speaker 2: think that Liberal candidate for Ku Young, Emilia Hamer, has
36:00
Speaker 2: a good shot at victory on Saturday. She's had a
36:02
Speaker 2: good redistribution, the old abolished seat of Higgins has been
36:06
Speaker 2: subsumed into parts of Couyong. That's certainly given her chance
36:09
Speaker 2: as a boost. But if we've learned anything from the
36:12
Speaker 2: Teals and the way they campaign, big climate money talks
36:16
Speaker 2: and integrity is just something they say. It's not how
36:19
Speaker 2: they behave. So how is it looking in this key
36:22
Speaker 2: Melbourne battleground seat. Amelia Hamer joins me now from Camberwell. Welcome, amerely,
36:27
Speaker 2: I'm great to have you on the show. I tell
36:29
Speaker 2: you what your campaign and Couyong the seat. More broadly,
36:32
Speaker 2: it's been one of the most watched moost followed in
36:35
Speaker 2: the country. Tell us what you're hearing from voters.
36:40
Speaker 12: Oh, Peta, it's great to be here with you tonight.
36:43
Speaker 12: I mean I've campaigned on a lot of campaigns, so,
36:45
Speaker 12: you know, first in twenty thirteen in Higgins and then
36:48
Speaker 12: around the country in various elections, including when I was
36:51
Speaker 12: living overseas in London in Australia House. And what I
36:53
Speaker 12: can tell you about this campaign is I have never
36:56
Speaker 12: seen so many people out there and so proud to
36:59
Speaker 12: be voting Liberal. They are taking that Liberal how to
37:02
Speaker 12: vote card, They are waiving it high above their head
37:05
Speaker 12: or you know, saying go Liberal as they go into
37:07
Speaker 12: the voting booth. And I've never seen that before. So
37:11
Speaker 12: I'm really excited because people are saying to me that
37:14
Speaker 12: they don't have a local member who has a seat
37:15
Speaker 12: at the table and they need someone who can actually
37:18
Speaker 12: deliver and actually get things done for the community because
37:21
Speaker 12: things aren't great out there at the moment.
37:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, people might say, you know, you're a well healed seat.
37:28
Speaker 2: You know, cost of living isn't top of mind. Will
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Speaker 2: you correct me if I'm wrong? But what are some
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Speaker 2: of the other issues too that people are raising? Because
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Speaker 2: crime has been a huge issue across Melbourne, is that
37:39
Speaker 2: a factor? Absolutely?
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Speaker 12: So crime is huge, the number of home invasions that
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Speaker 12: people are People are first hand telling me about things
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Speaker 12: that have happened in the last few weeks, which is
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Speaker 12: a serious concern to people at the polling station. The
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Speaker 12: other things that I'm hearing a lot from people are
37:56
Speaker 12: the struggles of people who are running their own small businesses.
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Speaker 12: I had a lady the day who she came up
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Speaker 12: to me in the queue and we were just having
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Speaker 12: a chat and she said, look, things are really hard
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Speaker 12: and I said, look, tell me a bit more about that,
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Speaker 12: and she actually started to cry and we had a
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Speaker 12: long conversation about some of the struggles that she was having.
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Speaker 12: She was a single mum, she was trying to run
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Speaker 12: her business. So it's actually not right to say that people.
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Speaker 12: You know, there aren't people who are struggling in my
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Speaker 12: community here. But I'd also say that people are really
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Speaker 12: concerned about the government getting back to basics because they
38:25
Speaker 12: pay their taxes, and you know, they expect to be
38:27
Speaker 12: able to get a GP for a reasonable price if
38:30
Speaker 12: that's if they.
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Speaker 2: Need to do that.
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Speaker 12: They expect to have decent quality roads, and they expect
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Speaker 12: to be able to live in a society where things
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Speaker 12: work and it feels like at the moment that that
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Speaker 12: deals kind of off and things aren't working.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I know that the voting record of Manique Ryan's
38:47
Speaker 2: been very potent in your seat. I talked to a
38:49
Speaker 2: lot of the Jewish community across Melbourne. Many a resident
38:52
Speaker 2: and you're elected or the electorate you hope to represent,
38:54
Speaker 2: and I know you know, seventy odd percent of the
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Speaker 2: time she's voted with the Greens. That's surprise many of them.
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Speaker 2: I think it terrified many of them given the anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic background and values of the Greens. But I also
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Speaker 2: know that there's been attempts to try and take down
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Speaker 2: posters signage in the Kuyong electorate that make plain the
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Speaker 2: factual basis of her voting record on the Greens. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is a big issue, isn't it. Yeah?
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Speaker 12: And the most important thing you know this, Peter, giving
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Speaker 12: your experience in parliament, is when you go into Parliament
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Speaker 12: when the division bell rings, which side of the chamber
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Speaker 12: are you sitting on and who are you sitting with?
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Speaker 12: And seventy seven percent of the time Monique Ryan is
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Speaker 12: sitting with the Greens. And that is a factual statement.
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Speaker 12: And we want people to be aware of that, and
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Speaker 12: people are telling me that that is a matter of
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Speaker 12: deep concern to them.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, good luck to you and I'm going
39:52
Speaker 2: to work right down to six o'clock and beyond. I
39:54
Speaker 2: appreciate you joining me tonight. Thank you. Emelia Hamer there
39:57
Speaker 2: running there as a Liberal in the seat of Kuyong
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Speaker 2: that's gone out to Wentworth. This is another TiAl seat.
40:03
Speaker 2: Roe Knox is up there hoping to triumph over the
40:05
Speaker 2: till a legros spender Roeknox joins me. Now, well, you
40:10
Speaker 2: have previously your elected being the dull in the crown
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Speaker 2: and the Libs up that way. What are the key
40:15
Speaker 2: conversations you've been having, because I know you've been campaigning,
40:18
Speaker 2: not just in this campaign role, you've been at it
40:20
Speaker 2: for a long time on the ground in Wentworth. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: thanks so much.
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Speaker 1: Peter.
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Speaker 13: Well, what we're hearing on the ground at the moment is,
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Speaker 13: obviously cost of living is one of the biggest issues
40:33
Speaker 13: in Wentworth. People don't think of Wentworth in that way,
40:36
Speaker 13: but we have a huge number of renters, over fifty
40:39
Speaker 13: two percent of people are renters. What we're hearing more recently, though, Peter,
40:44
Speaker 13: is people are concerned about the debt that this government's
40:48
Speaker 13: accrued over four hundred and twenty five billion over their term.
40:52
Speaker 13: They're concerned about the loss of potential loss of the
40:56
Speaker 13: Triple A rating, which will obviously make government debt just
40:59
Speaker 13: so much much more expensive. And in Wentworth we're very
41:02
Speaker 13: concerned about the green paper that Allegraspender released where she
41:06
Speaker 13: said we need to reduce income taxes but there would
41:10
Speaker 13: no package about what she'd be looking at is capital
41:13
Speaker 13: gains tax of the family home on the table negative gearing.
41:18
Speaker 13: She hasn't completely ruled out inheritance tax. She set us
41:21
Speaker 13: off the table, but she hasn't ruled it out. And
41:23
Speaker 13: from our standpoint in Wentworth, this is very very concerning.
41:28
Speaker 13: There's so much uncertainty with a Legraspender.
41:33
Speaker 2: When I'm in Sydney Row, I go out to the
41:34
Speaker 2: wonderful Joe Bailey in the electorate. That's my hairdresser up there,
41:38
Speaker 2: and I get around Paddington shops I like up there.
41:42
Speaker 2: I was surprised when I was there about to two
41:44
Speaker 2: or three weeks ago just how many vacant and empty
41:47
Speaker 2: shops are, you know, like that's strip shopping that used
41:50
Speaker 2: to be so famous in parts of Wentworth is really struggling.
41:54
Speaker 2: Is that an issue that's been raised with you?
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Speaker 9: Oh?
41:58
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 13: Small business is really suffering under this government. We know
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Speaker 13: there's been record numbers of insolvencies and I've spoken to
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Speaker 13: a huge number of business owners. Wentworth is unique because
42:12
Speaker 13: a huge number of business owners actually live in the
42:14
Speaker 13: seat and Peter, they're saying they can't survive. They won't
42:18
Speaker 13: be able to survive if this labor government is re elected.
42:22
Speaker 13: They can't manage the industrial relations reforms that have gone
42:26
Speaker 13: through and obviously energy costs have gone through the roof
42:30
Speaker 13: under this government, and it's so hard for small businesses
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Speaker 13: and these are Australia known small businesses in our seat, Peter,
42:37
Speaker 13: to survive.
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Speaker 2: I know you've been finding hard row and you're going
42:43
Speaker 2: to keep going. As I said to Amelia, right down
42:44
Speaker 2: to the wire. Thank you for joining me tonight. All
42:47
Speaker 2: right after great Chris, you'll man on his predictions for
42:49
Speaker 2: Saturday Night. Why Tony Blair's intervention is a game changer
42:53
Speaker 2: and not just globally but here in Australia. Welcome back.
43:01
Speaker 2: Well it's not election eve yet, but it is the
43:04
Speaker 2: last show before the election for Kredline and I know
43:07
Speaker 2: it's been five official weeks of campaigning, but really we've
43:10
Speaker 2: been in an election and on election footing for many
43:13
Speaker 2: many months. So joined me now for his take on
43:16
Speaker 2: the official and unofficial campaign and what we might expect
43:20
Speaker 2: on Saturday night. Skyny's political contributor Chris Yilman, who I
43:23
Speaker 2: might say will join us on the panel out of
43:25
Speaker 2: Sydney on Saturday night as well. And you've been around
43:27
Speaker 2: plenty of campaigns like me. I mentioned this before with
43:30
Speaker 2: Cameron Milner, and I'm going to ask you about this
43:32
Speaker 2: as well. Have we now ended up in a place
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Speaker 2: where truth doesn't matter anymore, that the big lie repeated
43:39
Speaker 2: over and over and over again is going to win elections?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 14: Pair, I guess the one that stood out to me
43:46
Speaker 14: was the six hundred billion dollar claim, which clearly had
43:49
Speaker 14: a lot of traction for the Labor Party and was
43:51
Speaker 14: married with you know, he cuts you pay and it
43:54
Speaker 14: worked for them because they used it over and over again,
43:57
Speaker 14: the Prime Minister use it was using all their advertising campaign.
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Speaker 14: When you researched that and where it came from, well
44:02
Speaker 14: it didn't come from anywhere creditable at all. In fact,
44:04
Speaker 14: it came from the Smart Energy Council, which is a
44:06
Speaker 14: lobby group for winded solar agencies. That was done on
44:10
Speaker 14: the back of an envelope, and even when you went
44:12
Speaker 14: to their press release, what it said was their costings
44:14
Speaker 14: were between one hundred and sixteen billion and six hundred
44:17
Speaker 14: billion dollars. Well, look, if you've got a five basically
44:21
Speaker 14: a half a trillion dollar gap in your numbers, that
44:23
Speaker 14: shows that that's not modeling, that's propaganda. That's what it
44:26
Speaker 14: always was, and that's where the Labour Party figure came from.
44:29
Speaker 14: So there was that one, and there was the complete
44:31
Speaker 14: and ability of the government to actually even admit the
44:34
Speaker 14: fact that the two hundred and seventy five dollars cut
44:37
Speaker 14: to your electricity prices was never going to be met,
44:39
Speaker 14: and that was across years. So yeah, I found both
44:42
Speaker 14: of those things terribly disturbing. I know that we've seen
44:45
Speaker 14: misleading statements in campaigns before, and I'm sure that people
44:47
Speaker 14: could come up with a host of them over the years,
44:50
Speaker 14: but I thought that this was a pretty low point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah Iison all credit to her, she dug up
44:57
Speaker 2: some of the background of the Smart Energy Council, but
44:59
Speaker 2: that call meta then go and look at all. The
45:01
Speaker 2: modeling or the so called modeling wasn't modeling at all.
45:04
Speaker 2: Was gen cost reporting a little bit else from a
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Speaker 2: EMO when that was behind this big claim and the
45:09
Speaker 2: fact that they're a lobby group. But they needed that
45:12
Speaker 2: out there because it had ruled out any of the
45:14
Speaker 2: cuts that Labor had claimed. Nothing was going to change
45:17
Speaker 2: in terms of forward estimates, so they had to then
45:20
Speaker 2: have a furfee out there. Well, there has to be
45:21
Speaker 2: secret cuts because he needs this six hundred billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: Again that's the lie. But when it had a little
45:27
Speaker 2: bit of credibility because they can link it across to
45:29
Speaker 2: the nuclear and punters know enough out there that he's
45:32
Speaker 2: got a nuclear plan that's then been pushed out heavily
45:35
Speaker 2: into letterboxes and social media feeds. And I am staggered
45:40
Speaker 2: that it wasn't up until about three or four weeks
45:42
Speaker 2: ago until this stuff heated the Australian that the Coalition
45:46
Speaker 2: did anything about contesting this lie.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it was interesting that in the third debate on
45:52
Speaker 14: Channel nine the Prime Minister didn't repeat it when he
45:55
Speaker 14: was pressed on it, but then when we got to
45:56
Speaker 14: the fourth one on Channel seven he did repeat it.
45:59
Speaker 14: So you know, just the never.
46:02
Speaker 1: Left the atmosphere.
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Speaker 14: And I think the other big one that the coalition's
46:04
Speaker 14: got to worry about for several election campaigns in a
46:06
Speaker 14: row now is the whole medi scare campaign. It seems
46:09
Speaker 14: if it wasn't working, they wouldn't be using it.
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Speaker 1: We know that.
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Speaker 14: So they need to find a way to combat that,
46:15
Speaker 14: you know. And they've tried everything up to and including
46:17
Speaker 14: the fact that they want to give more money than
46:18
Speaker 14: the government most of the time now to medicare. That's
46:22
Speaker 14: clearly an issue for them that will have to be
46:24
Speaker 14: addressed before the next campaign.
46:27
Speaker 2: All right, just quickly, and I to put you on
46:29
Speaker 2: the spot. I want to talk about tiny Blair. But
46:30
Speaker 2: what do you think will be the result on Saturday night?
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Speaker 14: An anthony'sy Labor government but in minority, I think. And
46:38
Speaker 14: the measure that I'll judge the Coalition on now after
46:40
Speaker 14: a dreadful campaign is can they get over sixty five seats?
46:43
Speaker 14: They need to put themselves into a position where they're
46:46
Speaker 14: within reach of government the next time round. They need
46:48
Speaker 14: to drive Labor into a position where it needs to
46:50
Speaker 14: negotiate with more than one group on the floor of
46:53
Speaker 14: the House of Representatives so that the government becomes very
46:56
Speaker 14: difficult indeed, and it could be a good time to
46:59
Speaker 14: be in opposition if that's the case, because if we
47:01
Speaker 14: see the destruction of wealth, which I think will follow
47:04
Speaker 14: the kind of energy policies that will come out of
47:06
Speaker 14: Green's Teals and Labor, then we get to the next election,
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Speaker 14: I think that the people may well and truly be
47:13
Speaker 14: ready for a big change.
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Speaker 2: Well I might a too. The last time I had
47:18
Speaker 2: a hung Parliament, I was there Toney Abbott, first term
47:20
Speaker 2: Labor government take into the wall. We had seventy three seats.
47:23
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what, I'd be disappointed if it
47:25
Speaker 2: lives didn't get to sixty five. Hey, talk to me
47:27
Speaker 2: about Tony Blair. This is a huge intervention from him
47:30
Speaker 2: about zero, saying it was doomed to fail. What do
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Speaker 2: you make of it all?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look a moment of truth telling from Tony Blair
47:39
Speaker 14: about something that is an open secret with just about everybody.
47:43
Speaker 14: And I noticed that that Downing Street is clearly lent
47:46
Speaker 14: on him. And now his foundation has put out a
47:48
Speaker 14: statement which walks that back a bit. But this for
47:51
Speaker 14: anyone who is paying attention to what's happening around the world,
47:54
Speaker 14: and certainly outside of Australia. Net zero is a dead letter,
47:58
Speaker 14: and it has been a dead letter for a long time.
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Speaker 14: The final nail in the coffin was hammered by Donald
48:03
Speaker 14: Trump when he says he has no intention of going
48:05
Speaker 14: to that target, which means he doesn't, China doesn't, India doesn't,
48:08
Speaker 14: Russia doesn't. That's sixty percent of the world's emissions. And
48:11
Speaker 14: might I point out too, something that's gone under the radar.
48:13
Speaker 14: A former advisor to John Kerry, who's an absolute fanatic
48:16
Speaker 14: about this kind of stuff, has now set up a
48:19
Speaker 14: Climate Realism a foundation in the Council of Foreign Relations
48:24
Speaker 14: where he's still full square about the fact that he
48:27
Speaker 14: thinks that there's a climate emergency, but he says that
48:30
Speaker 14: these targets are unattainable and that they need to talk
48:33
Speaker 14: about a different kind of process for them going forward.
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Speaker 2: I can guarantee it'll be a feature of our deliberations
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night. Look forward to your company on the
48:44
Speaker 2: desk for the first time with Sky News. Chris. Great
48:46
Speaker 2: to have your company through the campaign. They will see
48:48
Speaker 2: you then, everyone at home, it's Saturday night, five o'clock
48:51
Speaker 2: Sky News. The panel that you will not want to
48:54
Speaker 2: miss most of us have been practitioners, so we know
48:56
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. I'm not reading a text from
48:58
Speaker 2: somebody else, all right, that's it for me, See you
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night. He is Andrew
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