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#58 Phone Companion · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: This is the Heavy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Coilson,
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  Speaker 1: where Luke and Suzi and this is the podcast for
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  Speaker 1: the time poor parent who just wants answers.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what a privilege that I have to be in
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  Speaker 2: a studio with you on a regular basis. Yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: an amazing my wife, you know, and just beautiful, but
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  Speaker 2: I do sometimes. You know, I've got my phone here
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  Speaker 2: as well. I was just great because then I've got
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  Speaker 2: two for while I've got the two closest people in
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  Speaker 2: some interesting research and I say interesting, almost interesting, sad
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  Speaker 2: about how important our smartphones are and it maybe you
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  Speaker 2: might be usurped pretty soon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, Aldi Mobile are the ones
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  Speaker 1: you've come out with this research revealing that almost nine
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  Speaker 1: in ten Australians get that in your head, almost nine
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  Speaker 1: in ten Australians. Nearly ninety percent of people are saying
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  Speaker 1: that their smartphone is their number one companion, ahead of
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  Speaker 1: their parents, their pets, and their friends. Justin Coulson, this
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  Speaker 1: is this is significant research and it kind of breaks
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  Speaker 1: my heart.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit. Have you seen The Lord of the Rings?
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  Speaker 3: I've not seen part Okay, well you know who.
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  Speaker 4: Golum is, right, Golum loses the ring. Bilbo Baggins ends
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  Speaker 4: up with the ring, and you remember what Golum calls
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  Speaker 4: the ring.
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  Speaker 3: Precious, precious, precious. The Wicked Hobbits is, I've taken that precious.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever tried to take a device off somebody?
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, of one of your children,
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  Speaker 4: But even if you're you.
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  Speaker 1: It does not work. It's not a good idea.
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  Speaker 3: Loke Luke becomes Golum. The wicked wife says, they taken
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  Speaker 3: the precious.
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  Speaker 4: I must have the precious, and we actually we treat
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  Speaker 4: our devices as if they are the precious, and we
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  Speaker 4: will cross heaven and Earth to get to keep our
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  Speaker 4: devices close to us. I do this activity because I
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  Speaker 4: speak in schools all around the country and in corporations
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  Speaker 4: all around the country, and I teach people how to
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  Speaker 4: have a healthy digital diet and specifically how to have
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  Speaker 4: a healthy relationship with their part because I think most
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  Speaker 4: of us have unhealthy relationships with our phone.
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  Speaker 1: And we deceive ourselves into believing that our relationship with
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  Speaker 1: our phone is still a relationship with people because we're
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  Speaker 1: on social media and we're well occasionally using it for
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  Speaker 1: actual phone calls.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's so much more than a phone. Now
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  Speaker 3: is that It's not is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's it's not that.
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  Speaker 3: But I do this activity where I get to.
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  Speaker 4: Take their phone out, unlock it, and then hand it
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  Speaker 4: to the person next to them.
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  Speaker 3: You want to watch people.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not just talking about teenagers here, I'm talking about adults.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly how I feel. Susie goes, oh, hey, can
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  Speaker 2: I have your phone? And I'm like, where's yours. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: it's in the other room.
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  Speaker 5: I go get it.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no reason, there's absolutely no reason why I
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  Speaker 2: should hesitate.
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  Speaker 1: Just give me your phone.
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  Speaker 2: The end. But I feel that exactly what you just describe.
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  Speaker 4: We actually it's been it's been scientifically shown that people
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  Speaker 4: experience separation anxiety from their phone.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm feeling.
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  Speaker 4: Soon the heart starts to race, the sweat lands starts
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  Speaker 4: to release a little bit of extra more yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: we begin to feel really, really uncomfortable with it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's been some great studies published in the last few years,
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  Speaker 4: and and by the way we are going through, we're
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  Speaker 4: going through a massive experiment right now. Technology has never
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  Speaker 4: been pervasive like this. And rather than waiting until a
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  Speaker 4: bit of data is in to see how it's going
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  Speaker 4: to affect us as a culture. We have just gone
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  Speaker 4: I love this, and we've given it a great, big
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  Speaker 4: bear hug and we've consumed it whole is bowlus without
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  Speaker 4: knowing what it's doing to us. But the data that
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  Speaker 4: is coming through, and it is still early days. Really
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  Speaker 4: the data is I think providing us with some fairly
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  Speaker 4: ominous warning signs that we've got to do something about it.
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  Speaker 1: It is the Happy Famili's podcast, with all too many
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  Speaker 1: people these days saying their phone is their best friend.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Justin Colson speaking on this a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: up next.
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  Speaker 1: It's The Happy Family's Podcast with doctor Justin Coulson, Luke
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  Speaker 1: and Susie with you here as well and Justin. We
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  Speaker 1: are talking about this statistic that's come out talking about
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  Speaker 1: the very high proportion of people who call their phone
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  Speaker 1: their best companion. What do we do to actually go
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  Speaker 1: about battling this addiction that we have, this obsession that
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  Speaker 1: we have with our phones.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me define it in the negative. Let's focus
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  Speaker 4: about what we shouldn't do first. Okay, Number one, we
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't be waking up in the morning and the first
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  Speaker 4: thing that we look at being ou phone, especially before
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  Speaker 4: we look at our spouse or you know, our partner,
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  Speaker 4: our husband, our wife or our kids. I mean, and
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  Speaker 4: if and if the phone is the first thing that
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  Speaker 4: really gets your quality attention in the mornings, if the
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  Speaker 4: phone has become your early morning coffee, I mean, coffee
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  Speaker 4: is bad enough for you anyway, right, But now now
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  Speaker 4: we're doing this psychological thing. We're going full into our
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  Speaker 4: brain and bang and we're hitting it with all of this.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's not actually a very good way to wake
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  Speaker 4: up as bad if your brain. Similarly, if it's the
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  Speaker 4: last thing you look at at night, you're not setting
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  Speaker 4: yourself yourself up for a successful physical night of sleep
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  Speaker 4: or mental night either. It's just not good preparation or
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  Speaker 4: follow up from from sleep. But what it shows more
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  Speaker 4: than anything is that we've got this compulsion to be
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  Speaker 4: close to it. We sleep within our room, you know,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes we'll wake up because we'll become aware that somebody
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  Speaker 4: send it us a message, and even though we're on
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  Speaker 4: silent mode, the room has just become illuminated with that.
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  Speaker 3: Soft glow of the phone, you know, and there it is.
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  Speaker 3: There's that glow, and you're like, oh, it's morning. Oh no,
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  Speaker 3: it's not. It's somebody think and one in the morning somebody. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's right. But there's a handful of other things. Look,
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  Speaker 3: let's go to the healthy digital diet question.
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  Speaker 4: Specifically, when we're eating and consuming food and drink, there's
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  Speaker 4: a food pyramid that indicates that some foods should be
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  Speaker 4: consumed a lot, and some should be minimized and even avoided.
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  Speaker 4: And it's the same with our device. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: people say to me, how much screen time should my
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  Speaker 4: kids be allowed to have? Well, there are some guidelines,
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  Speaker 4: like for kids that are under two, the answer is zero,
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  Speaker 4: and for kids who are a bit over to maybe
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  Speaker 4: up to four or five, the answer is as little
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  Speaker 4: as possible and hopefully no more than half to an
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  Speaker 4: hour a day. Minimize it for the little kids especially,
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  Speaker 4: and Australians typically completely ignore those guidelines in a significant
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  Speaker 4: and serious and damaging way. But how much isn't really
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  Speaker 4: the right question. I think what kind matters more. It's
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  Speaker 4: kind of like saying to a dietitian, how much food
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  Speaker 4: should I eat every day? The dietitian is going to say, well,
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  Speaker 4: it's not about how much, it's about what kind Exactly
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  Speaker 4: what are we doing on our devices. If we've got
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  Speaker 4: a digital junk food diet, then that's terribly unhealthy. If
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  Speaker 4: we've got a really nutritional digital diet where we're using
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  Speaker 4: our devices and our screens wisely to work and to
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  Speaker 4: contribute and to learn and develop and grow, and if
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  Speaker 4: our children are doing the same, then I think a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more time isn't going to hurt at all.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, it might be beneficial with a couple of
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  Speaker 4: other really important things. You've got to make sure that
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  Speaker 4: you and your kids are getting the physical activity that
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  Speaker 4: you need. You know, I said to my kids when
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  Speaker 4: they want to be on their screens, of course you can.
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  Speaker 4: Once you've had a swim, once you've jumped on the trampoline,
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  Speaker 4: once you've been for a bike ride, once you've done
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  Speaker 4: something outside. And then they say, okay, I've done that.
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  Speaker 4: Six minutes later, can I do something?
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  Speaker 3: Can I get to my screens?
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  Speaker 4: And I'll say, well, have you caught up with a friend,
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  Speaker 4: have you spent some time face to face with somebody,
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  Speaker 4: Have you done your chores, have you done any relevant schoolwork,
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  Speaker 4: have you read a real book? And once your kids
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  Speaker 4: have done all. See, we want to kids to have
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  Speaker 4: a whole life, and we need to do the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, yes, but I challenge you, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: before I give you the challenge, I've got a good
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  Speaker 4: challenge for you. But I think that you know, when
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  Speaker 4: you're with people and they're staring at their phones. Research
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  Speaker 4: shows at the more time we're staring at screens, the
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  Speaker 4: poorer our social and emotional intelligence. It also shows that
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  Speaker 4: our relationships deteriorate the phones actually make us dumb socially
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  Speaker 4: and emotionally. Next, next time you're with people, just put
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  Speaker 4: your phone away and keep it away. Actually try and
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  Speaker 4: do that. It's really, really tough. I have this thing
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  Speaker 4: when I'm out with friends, we get our phones and
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  Speaker 4: we put them down on the table, face down, first
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  Speaker 4: person to look at their phone pace for the lunch.
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  Speaker 3: And it guarantees that everybody has a really great time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Studies have been shown that even the mere
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  Speaker 4: presence of a phone decreases the quality of the interaction,
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  Speaker 4: the quality of the trust, the quality of the emotional connection.
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  Speaker 3: So here's my challenge for you this week.
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  Speaker 4: Go to bed every night and make sure that in
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  Speaker 4: at least the thirty minutes prior to going to bed, you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't look at your device, brilliant.
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  Speaker 4: And when you wake up, make sure that at least
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  Speaker 4: the first thirty minutes no device, brilliant.
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  Speaker 5: I love you.
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  Speaker 2: I can handle the first thirty minutes. The last I've
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  Speaker 2: got into a habit, and this is just strange. Just
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  Speaker 2: as I get into bed, dimm the light on my
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  Speaker 2: phone and I play a couple of hands of solitaire,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the last thing I do, and I get
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  Speaker 2: little bit sleeping. I get right, that's enough. The phone
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  Speaker 2: goes down, and it's just become this little it's my
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  Speaker 2: little got to sleep routine, and I'm going to struggle.
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  Speaker 4: Justin just before, just before my I won't say who,
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  Speaker 4: it was, a family member, just before she divorced her husband.
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  Speaker 3: I remember her. I remember him saying to.
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  Speaker 4: Her one day, you know, there's nobody I'd rather lay
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  Speaker 4: in bed next to while they stare at their phone
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  Speaker 4: than you.
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  Speaker 3: Ouch. Look, they get in the way. I think that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that in the way that's smoking.
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  Speaker 4: You know when you walk past people who are smoking
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  Speaker 4: now and everyone sort of looks at them and goes, oh,
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  Speaker 4: nobody does that around here anymore. I know that some
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  Speaker 4: people are still smoke, and I want to be sensitive
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  Speaker 4: to the fact that some people actually want to do it,
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  Speaker 4: and that's fine. But as a community, as a society,
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  Speaker 4: we've kind of looked at people who smoked now and said,
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  Speaker 4: don't do that around here.
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  Speaker 3: It's not considerate.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that where in the next maybe ten
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  Speaker 4: or fifteen years, we're going to get to a point
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  Speaker 4: like that with devices where people are going to be like, oh, really,
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  Speaker 4: you've brought it to the restaurant.
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  Speaker 3: Take that outside. If you're going to be on your phone,
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  Speaker 3: take it outside, do it away from other people. It's
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  Speaker 3: so rude, but.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a I think can you to me?
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  Speaker 2: I will still defend the social nature of technology and
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  Speaker 2: devices when you're not in the space with other people.
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  Speaker 2: When I traveled overseas, videos and photo sharing and I
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  Speaker 2: could share the experience, Susie was at home and I
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  Speaker 2: felt more connected because of technology with someone I cared
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  Speaker 2: about because of it. But when you're in the room
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  Speaker 2: with the person, with somebody, and I have it as
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  Speaker 2: a rule, when I'm in a meeting or at a
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  Speaker 2: coffee with anybody, that phone goes off, they go, oh
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  Speaker 2: you take it? No, no, no, I'm here with you, right,
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  Speaker 2: So you put it away?
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  Speaker 3: Spot on.
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  Speaker 4: We send this message, don't we. When we're looking at
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  Speaker 4: the phone, we're saying you don't matter as much as this.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny one that you mentioned as well, though looked
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  Speaker 4: just just briefly on that whole sharing experiences. The social
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  Speaker 4: media aspect of being able to share the great things
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  Speaker 4: that you're doing is wonderful. And again what type versus
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  Speaker 4: how much? But this much, I will say that there's
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  Speaker 4: a couple of studies and I've experienced it myself where
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  Speaker 4: researchers have found that when we live life through the lens,
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  Speaker 4: we tend not to enjoy life as.
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  Speaker 3: Much and we actually miss out on stuff. I went
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  Speaker 3: to a big bike race.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a pretty obsessed cyclist.
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  Speaker 3: I love writing my pushy and I used.
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  Speaker 4: To race competitively, but with six kids in a business
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  Speaker 4: that makes me travel a lot, I've stopped the competition.
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  Speaker 4: But I still love to see a really great bike race.
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  Speaker 4: I went to this bike race. I got there early.
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  Speaker 4: I was right on the finish line, and I was
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  Speaker 4: looking down the street so I could see the cyclist
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  Speaker 4: as they came down the finishing straight, and they were
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  Speaker 4: sprinting at like seventy k's an hour. They were giving
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  Speaker 4: it everything, and I was looking through my phone and
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  Speaker 4: videoing it so that I could share it with everybody,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, he's the bike race here I am,
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  Speaker 4: and I actually once they'd crossed the finish line, it
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  Speaker 4: occurred to me that because I was trying so intently
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  Speaker 4: to film it, I had no idea who'd won.
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  Speaker 3: All I saw was a blur of bikes.
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  Speaker 4: If i'd been there and if i'd really been in
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  Speaker 4: the moment, I would have had a very different outcome.
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  Speaker 4: It's all about mindfulness and the devices take us away
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  Speaker 4: from the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Now, just to recap on what type versus how much
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  Speaker 2: listening to the Happy Families podcast compared to playing Candy Crush,
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  Speaker 2: they're not a comparison.
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  Speaker 4: A plus, you're going to have a lot more fun
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  Speaker 4: and you're going to level up a lot faster.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not finished as a parent. You're going to
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  Speaker 3: level up a lot faster as a parent as a
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  Speaker 3: parent when you're off.
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  Speaker 4: Candy on the Hatty Families podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's very clear that there are things we can
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  Speaker 2: do with our devices which which help us to grow
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  Speaker 2: and nurture it and even some of the fun stuff
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with it.
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  Speaker 3: Every now and again we sit down as a family.
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  Speaker 4: I have a daughter who's discovered this comedy troupe from
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  Speaker 4: the US called Studio c. She thinks they're the funniest
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  Speaker 4: people ever. And there's there are some really really funny gags.
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  Speaker 4: There's this go to It. There's there's some really funny
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  Speaker 4: gags on Studio See. Most of it I find pretty juvenile,
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  Speaker 4: but there's a couple of really good ones, and as
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  Speaker 4: a family, we'll sit down and we'll just watch YouTube
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  Speaker 4: clips of Studio.
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  Speaker 3: C for fifteen or twenty minutes every now and again.
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  Speaker 4: Or you know, we'll laugh at something that's in somebody's
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  Speaker 4: Facebook timeline, or there's nothing the matter with a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of junk food now on there.
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  Speaker 3: That's fun.
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  Speaker 1: We've the kids and I've started watching a series called
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  Speaker 1: Brain Games, and it's teaching you about different elements of
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  Speaker 1: the brain. But it shows all these really cool there's
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  Speaker 1: a little in the middle of the show. There's the
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  Speaker 1: things that you can do like put your hand above
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  Speaker 1: your head and close your eyes and then with your
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  Speaker 1: other hand try and find your thumb and your finger.
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  Speaker 1: And it's teaching things about the brain.
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  Speaker 3: But we love it.
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  Speaker 1: We love watching it together. So there is some good
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  Speaker 1: stuff out there.
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  Speaker 3: They just got to make the choice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that we should ever ever say that
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  Speaker 4: technology is bad.
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  Speaker 3: Technology is neither good nor bad. Is what we do
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  Speaker 3: with it that matters.
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  Speaker 4: But to go right back full circle to where you
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  Speaker 4: started this conversation, if we're saying that we prize our
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  Speaker 4: phones as precious above our other relationships, then we have
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  Speaker 4: a problem and we need to make sure that we
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  Speaker 4: prioritize people ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Of plasma or whatever they're made out of.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to keep the alliteration going.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel poetic.
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  Speaker 1: If your phone is your number one companion, like nine
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  Speaker 1: out of ten other Australians, maybe it's time for change.
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  Speaker 2: The difference between so you and my phone suits is
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  Speaker 2: once I've worked out my phone, Hell, let's don't do
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  Speaker 2: an update. I have know what to do with it forever.
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  Speaker 1: I keep you on your toes.
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  Speaker 4: You do do and I just thought of something else
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  Speaker 4: as well. You know, the survey says it's nine out
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  Speaker 4: of ten people you know in love with their phones.
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  Speaker 3: They prioritize the people. So at least that means you're
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  Speaker 3: not alone? Or are you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Lass Swings Rson, thank you so much.
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