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Cardinals swept by D-backs to open second half · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Well, the second half started across Major League Baseball, but
0:09
Speaker 1: I think someone forgot to tell the Saint Louis Cardinals
0:11
Speaker 1: because it was a pretty ugly start to the unofficial
0:16
Speaker 1: second half. Out at Chase Field and Phoenix, Arizona. The
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Speaker 1: Cardinals were swept by the Diamondbacks. All three games, pretty uncompetitive,
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Speaker 1: and it just made for a very sour taste to
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Speaker 1: start what should have been I think the Cardinals' most
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Speaker 1: competitive part of the season, given the fact that they
0:32
Speaker 1: are competing for their trade deadline direction, but did.
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Speaker 2: Not go well.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back again to Cardinals territory, Katie and Bernie michlss
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Speaker 1: Here Bertie, your takeaway. Obviously I was not at Chase Field,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry in advance for my voice happy All
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Speaker 1: Star break to me. Caught the flu, so trying to
0:50
Speaker 1: stay on the mend here. I'll try not to talk
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Speaker 1: a lot because this sounds terrible. Bertie, you can go
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Speaker 1: ahead and sound off on what I thought was just
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Speaker 1: a completely embarrassing performance by the course.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was embarrassing on so many levels. Like you mentioned,
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Speaker 2: you know, there was non competitive you know, the Cardinals
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Speaker 2: just you know, basically the first three innings if you
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Speaker 2: add up to score like the first three innings of
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Speaker 2: all three games. I mean they were outscored like sixteen
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Speaker 2: to nothing in the first three innings. And you know,
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Speaker 2: the starting pitching was horrendous with Polonte and Gray and Michaelis.
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Speaker 2: They had a thirteen zero point five ORA in the
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Speaker 2: series and none of them got passed, none of them
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Speaker 2: through five innings. But I don't want to blame everything
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Speaker 2: on the starting pitching, as bad as it was, because
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Speaker 2: the hitters came out flat, got nothing done. The team
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Speaker 2: really didn't put up much of a fight. And listen,
1:40
Speaker 2: yet you and I and many others have complimented and
1:44
Speaker 2: praised this team for, you know, their spirit, their energy
1:48
Speaker 2: where nothing seems to get them down, they're going to
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Speaker 2: keep coming at you. And I have to start to
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Speaker 2: reassess that because Katie, here's the thing that bothered me
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Speaker 2: about it, other than the fact that you know, they
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Speaker 2: lost those three games, and like you said, they really
2:01
Speaker 2: forget the final score Sunday, that was not a competitive game.
2:06
Speaker 2: But here's a team that has been having all kinds
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Speaker 2: of problems, right, all kinds of problems, and they lost
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Speaker 2: eight out of their final twelve games going into the break,
2:15
Speaker 2: but yet you look at the standings and they're still
2:17
Speaker 2: right there. So if I'm a member of the Cardinals
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Speaker 2: baseball family, whether you know, the coach, manager, players, whatever,
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Speaker 2: I'd be like, you know what, yeah, we kind of
2:29
Speaker 2: use to use a horse racing term. We kind of
2:31
Speaker 2: threw a shoe there towards the end. We really really
2:34
Speaker 2: played poorly, but guys were still in it. We're still
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Speaker 2: right there, so let's go. Let's go. And I really
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Speaker 2: thought they'd come out, they'd come out, and you know,
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Speaker 2: because we heard so much about how tired they are.
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Speaker 2: The guys are banged up, and I'm sorry, Ali Marmel,
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Speaker 2: but all thirty teams are banged up. Okay, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't think people want to hear that, even if
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Speaker 2: there's truth to that, because it applies to every team.
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Speaker 2: But I really, man, I would have lost a lot
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Speaker 2: of money if I would say, you know, I'll bet
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Speaker 2: you a hundred bucks, they're gonna come out flying, They're
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Speaker 2: gonna come out throwing punches, so to speak. They were
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Speaker 2: totally flat. There was no urgency, there was no energy.
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Speaker 2: They just flat lined. And I don't understand, like, where
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Speaker 2: did that team go that you and I were saying, Gosh,
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Speaker 2: team's fun to watch, guys, they're entertaining, Gosh, they get
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Speaker 2: after it, Gosh they're resilient. Well, what the heck happened
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Speaker 2: to that team during the All Star break? Did they?
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Speaker 2: What happened? I mean, they had four days to rest.
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Speaker 2: Other than brettan donnovan, they had four days to rest.
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Speaker 2: They should have came out just going, you know, just
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Speaker 2: just this, just high voltage team likes ready to go,
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Speaker 2: to make we got sixty five games left, let's get
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Speaker 2: let's get after this thing. They were like the exact
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Speaker 2: opposite of that, And that's very, very disappointing.
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Speaker 1: It was super disappointing. And as you know, Bernie, you're
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Speaker 1: only as good as your starting pitching. And in April
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Speaker 1: and May, the Cardinals starting pitching had really overperformed.
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Speaker 3: July not so much.
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Speaker 1: The Cardinals rotation collectively has an ERA over seven. In July,
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are eleven. I've lost eleven of their fourteen
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Speaker 1: games this month. They've dropped to two games over five hundred.
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Speaker 1: What struck me about how frustrating this series was because
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Speaker 1: you're completely right, they came out from the All Star
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Speaker 1: break and you're hoping to see a recharge, refresh, rejuvenated,
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Speaker 1: whatever word you want to use, team, and it was
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Speaker 1: just so disinterested.
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Speaker 3: It was completely flat.
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Speaker 1: It was And I think it's because when you will
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Speaker 1: have a team and in three games you're out of
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Speaker 1: it by the third inning.
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Speaker 3: It's really hard to come back from that. Think about it.
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Speaker 1: Are Polantaw On Friday, it was five nothing in the
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Speaker 1: third inning. Sunny Gray was three nothing in the first,
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Speaker 1: Miles Michael was four nothing in the first. When that's
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Speaker 1: how you're starting your games, it doesn't matter how good
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Speaker 1: your offense is or how well rested you are, whatever
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Speaker 1: you want to say about your team. That is a
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Speaker 1: really hard hole to climb out of. And this Cardinal's
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Speaker 1: rotation has struggled mightily, not even dating back to June,
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Speaker 1: but July especially so.
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Speaker 3: Again, you're only.
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Speaker 1: As good as you're starting pitching, and you're starting pitching
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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals has faltered extremely And I don't want
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Speaker 1: to give a pass to the offense because the offense
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Speaker 1: needs to do better as well. You can't rely on
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Speaker 1: Alec Frolis and Evon Herrera and Brendan Donnan to carry
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Speaker 1: the work. I know Nolan Arnado has done a very
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Speaker 1: nice job and coming back to a team where he
5:12
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily supposed to come back to. But the production
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Speaker 1: has to be better there. The production has to be
5:17
Speaker 1: better with Wilson Contreras all around. You need a better
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Speaker 1: performance from your lineup. It didn't help that Nolan Gorman
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Speaker 1: starts the season with his back locked up, goes on
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Speaker 1: the aisle on Saturday. Like it just the more the
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Speaker 1: series went on, the more I was like, I thought
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Speaker 1: the also break was supposed to help teams, and I
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Speaker 1: think the Cardinals might have missed the memo here because
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Speaker 1: they don't look any better.
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Speaker 2: No, you know, Mason wins. Another guy just really hasn't
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Speaker 2: gotten much done. It just really hasn't. So those guys
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Speaker 2: are like all over the place. You know, they don't
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Speaker 2: get much offense out of the catcher position, which we know,
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Speaker 2: and Arnado's can only do what he can do. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I don't expect him to be terrific offensively. I mean,
5:57
Speaker 2: sadly those days are over, but you know he'll come
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Speaker 2: through every now and then, you know, but he's you know,
6:02
Speaker 2: he was out there trying to play with the source
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Speaker 2: older listen, Victor Scott's gotten a little better, but great defense,
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Speaker 2: but they're you know, still not getting much offense out
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Speaker 2: of center field. In fact, they're their outfield in general.
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Speaker 2: You know, when Burleson's not playing in the outfield, their
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Speaker 2: their offensive production has been awful, just flat out awful.
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Speaker 2: And you know they're cranked up Jordan Walker again. He
6:22
Speaker 2: you know, he looked okay at times in this series.
6:25
Speaker 2: But let's not have a parade. You know, it's let's like,
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Speaker 2: get right. But here's the here's the deal. I'm gonna
6:30
Speaker 2: get back to what you said, because you're so right.
6:32
Speaker 2: You know, you look at I could point out a
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Speaker 2: number of teams, but you look at like, for example,
6:37
Speaker 2: you look at the Milwaukee Brewers. They have all kinds
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Speaker 2: of starting pitching depth. In fact, they are so well
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Speaker 2: positioned for the trade deadline because they have such a
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Speaker 2: surplus of starting pitching. They can fill any need they
6:48
Speaker 2: want to fill, whether it be you know, shortstop, their
6:51
Speaker 2: base whatever. And the reason is because they have great
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Speaker 2: starting pitching and it's deep starting pitching. And their offense
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Speaker 2: is pretty good, but it doesn't hit a lot of
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Speaker 2: home runs, but they steal bases, they manufacture, but they
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Speaker 2: have outstanding starting pitching and when you have that man
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Speaker 2: that covers a lot of your flaws, a lot of
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Speaker 2: your weaknesses, a lot of your holes. And the Cardinals
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Speaker 2: have been exposed. You know, their last forty four games,
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Speaker 2: that goes back to May thirtieth, they have a they
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Speaker 2: have the worst starting pitching eer the majors. It's five
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Speaker 2: point seven zero, and the quality start percentage is like,
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Speaker 2: really really low during that time. So it's almost like
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Speaker 2: a nullifier. I mean, this team is offensively challenged. It
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Speaker 2: has gotten progressively worse. And so when you're starting pitcher,
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Speaker 2: starting pitching, pardon me, you know, gets you blown out
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Speaker 2: of games early. And that's happening a lot. The Cardinals
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Speaker 2: do not have the offensive firepower to make comebacks every
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Speaker 2: now and then. Yeah they make comebacks, but let's be
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Speaker 2: honest about this. A lot of their comebacks were from
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Speaker 2: you know, very reasonable deficits where your couple runs down,
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Speaker 2: your three runs down, but you know, you're pretty much
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Speaker 2: you're pretty much you know, punched out even before you
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Speaker 2: have a chance to punch back. You know, you're knocked
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Speaker 2: down and basically knocked out before you can CounterPunch, you know,
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of what's happening to them, and is
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Speaker 2: if this starting pitching continues this way, I mean, forget
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Speaker 2: about it. You can't win with this kind of starting pitching.
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Speaker 2: And I know we'll get into the Matthew Libator situation,
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Speaker 2: and it's just there's not there's not any really encouraging
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Speaker 2: signs with the starting pitching. There's just not there. Sonny,
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Speaker 2: Sonny Gray is getting battered now. I mean you know, ah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that to me was the most disappointing game because
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Speaker 1: the plonte goes out there and gets shelled, and we
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Speaker 1: know this is the deal with him. He's gonna have
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Speaker 1: starts where he looks really good, he's gonna have starts
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Speaker 1: where he looks really bad. He's a groundball pitch to
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Speaker 1: contact guy. The Cardinals have eight hundred of those in
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Speaker 1: the organization. It's not Polante's fault. They need to modernize
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Speaker 1: that approach. They're trying. If not something that's going to
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Speaker 1: change overnight, but you have your ace take them out
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. And Sonny Gray has thrown some really nice
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Speaker 1: games for the Cardinals this year, but that four months
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Speaker 1: on Saturday was so disheartening because your age just got
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Speaker 1: wallet and again you're out of the game by the
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Speaker 1: second inning and you just kind of feel like, Okay,
9:08
Speaker 1: here we go again.
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Speaker 3: It's a continuation of what we look like before the
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Speaker 3: All Star break.
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Speaker 1: It's super frustrating, especially when we all know what's at
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Speaker 1: stake here. John Mozeylak is gonna make his decision over
9:19
Speaker 1: the next seven days, basically before the July thirty first
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Speaker 1: trade deadline. And when you have teams like the Brewers, who,
9:25
Speaker 1: by the way, now our tied with the Cubs and
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Speaker 1: the Tigers for the best record in baseball, just pulling away.
9:32
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, we'll get into this. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: it seems the path the Cardinals should take them the
9:37
Speaker 1: deadline is very clear, but we know this organization is
9:40
Speaker 1: going to be hesitant to do that. But this series really,
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Speaker 1: to me, in my opinion, showed all the reasons why
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals should not be considered a competitive team right now,
9:50
Speaker 1: and they weren't supposed.
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Speaker 3: To be this year.
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Speaker 1: But the book we should remain on the future. This
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Speaker 1: series did nothing for me except maybe indicate that the
9:58
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks could maybe not sell maybe they'll be the other
10:00
Speaker 1: way around. Maybe the Cardinals will.
10:02
Speaker 2: You know, and the Diamondbacks before the series, you know,
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Speaker 2: their run prevention was terrible. They were they were giving
10:07
Speaker 2: up five to five point one runs per game before
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Speaker 2: the series started, and they shut this team down. And
10:13
Speaker 2: you know, and and I'll just say this, it's it's
10:16
Speaker 2: just listen.
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Speaker 4: Uh uh.
10:20
Speaker 2: Henniosuarez is obviously, you know, having a great year, power hitter.
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Speaker 2: He is, but my goodness, they're throwing the ball right
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Speaker 2: down the middle to him, like.
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Speaker 3: Miles Michaels today on my team. Yes, that's a homer.
10:35
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I was texting with some of
10:37
Speaker 2: my Camo ex friends and colleagues during the game. It's like,
10:40
Speaker 2: what in what what universe does Miles Michaelis. Miles Michaelis think, Oh, okay,
10:45
Speaker 2: here's Suarez probably the hottest home run hitter in baseball
10:48
Speaker 2: right now, well maybe next to cal Riley or whatever. Uh,
10:52
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw that ninety one heater and I'm
10:54
Speaker 2: going to go up and he's, oh, I'm going to
10:56
Speaker 2: put it right by him. It's like, yeah, maybe if
10:59
Speaker 2: it was like nineteen eighty six, you could do that,
11:01
Speaker 2: but it's not gonna happen now. And I got to
11:04
Speaker 2: tell you, man, I'm sorry, but I was watching the
11:06
Speaker 2: postgame show and Miles Michael has really irritated me, and
11:09
Speaker 2: I know he irritated Cardinals fans because he was just
11:12
Speaker 2: sort of like, eh, he said, you know, had had
11:15
Speaker 2: two balls hit really hard. Uh, unfortunately there were both
11:19
Speaker 2: home runs. But he ended his comments by being saying, like,
11:23
Speaker 2: you know, other than that pretty good, he felt good
11:28
Speaker 2: about a start. I mean, this is one of the
11:32
Speaker 2: guys who should be one of your leaders, and that's
11:34
Speaker 2: what he's going to say. After that, you throw two
11:38
Speaker 2: meatballs to Suarez, who puts them into the you know,
11:41
Speaker 2: puts him into like glints, you know, shoots him all
11:43
Speaker 2: the way to Scottsdale, and it's like, well, pretty I
11:47
Speaker 2: have two shots. But rather than that pretty good, get
11:52
Speaker 2: him out of here. I'm serious. I mean that. I
11:55
Speaker 2: don't know how Mozelacer build a wit or anyone in
11:58
Speaker 2: charge there could listen to that and not be as
12:01
Speaker 2: like furious as I am. You can't come out and
12:04
Speaker 2: say that. Man, So this thing, that's just another sign
12:08
Speaker 2: of things disintegrating. It's nothing personal, but his time has
12:13
Speaker 2: come and it should be gone. You know, how much
12:16
Speaker 2: longer are they going to stay with this? It's there's
12:19
Speaker 2: nothing else. It's not like he's going to help turn
12:21
Speaker 2: things around. And I'm sorry, but that really really bothered
12:25
Speaker 2: me his postgame demeanor.
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Speaker 1: I wish I would have been there for the post
12:29
Speaker 1: game because a lot of times and you know, the
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Speaker 1: spourne we see such a snort a short snippet of
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Speaker 1: the postgame reaction and Miles Michael is after most games,
12:38
Speaker 1: I would say ninety five percent of the time is
12:40
Speaker 1: really insightful. Like I remember the Wrigley Field incident on
12:42
Speaker 1: fourth of July, the way that he was accountable accommodating.
12:47
Speaker 1: So I was a little surprised to see how sure
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Speaker 1: his answers were postgame. But I will say I wasn't
12:52
Speaker 1: there for the whole thing, so I don't know how
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Speaker 1: the rest of it went down. I was a very
12:55
Speaker 1: short snippet from Banduel's Sports Agree. I said, again, I
12:59
Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, I would have been interested to
13:01
Speaker 1: talk to Miles myself and think, you know, how are
13:05
Speaker 1: the Cardinals evaluating each.
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Speaker 3: Start going forward?
13:07
Speaker 1: And I think every starter there is obviously understands where
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Speaker 1: the rotation is and the lack of production. So hopefully
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Speaker 1: these rotation changes that the Cardinals are making. We'll get
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Speaker 1: into that in just a second. Will help turn some
13:19
Speaker 1: things around because it is just exhausting to watch lately.
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Speaker 1: before Sunday's game. Our pow Michael mcgreobe will take a
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Speaker 1: spot start against the Colorado Rockies that will be on Monday.
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Speaker 1: Eric Fetti will start Tuesday, Andrey Polante on Wednesday. The
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Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to skip Matthew Libbers, who are scheduled start.
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Speaker 1: He will start on Saturday against the Padres. They want
14:19
Speaker 1: to give him some extended rest coming out of the
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Speaker 1: All Star Break. Libby is has already surpassed his innings
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Speaker 1: thrown last season and is on track too far surpassed
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Speaker 1: the amount.
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Speaker 3: Of innings he's thrown in his career.
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Speaker 1: So just going to give him a little bit of
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Speaker 1: extra break, just like me, because I'm running out of
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Speaker 1: breath right now. For Libby, we can kind of see
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Speaker 1: it going into the All Star Break, one of many
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Speaker 1: players who look like they needed to just kind of reset.
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Speaker 1: So McGreevy will start again on Monday. The Cardinals have
14:45
Speaker 1: got to start giving him better assignments here, the Mets,
14:48
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, go take a start on horse Field.
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Speaker 3: You'll get him. You'll be fine.
14:52
Speaker 1: And I do think, at least I hope that the
14:54
Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to try to find away from a
14:57
Speaker 1: Greevy to stay up for real this time. We know
15:00
Speaker 1: Saint Louis is trying to shop Eric Betty. We know
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Speaker 1: that they intend or at least hope to have a
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Speaker 1: spot in the rotation come the trade deadline from Agreevy
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Speaker 1: to take over. It doesn't make any sense to option
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Speaker 1: him back down after this next spot start.
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Speaker 3: No god, where they continue to do that. So if
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Speaker 3: they do do that, would we be surprised.
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Speaker 1: Not really, But I'm under the belief that they are
15:19
Speaker 1: going to try to do what they can to get
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Speaker 1: him to stay with the big league club.
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Speaker 3: And it's about time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I listen in Colorado. I didn't see their
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Speaker 2: score today. You're work though. It's obviously a tough place
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Speaker 2: to pitch, although McGreevy does keep the ball down and
15:35
Speaker 2: he knows how to pitch, and he's smart, and he's tough,
15:37
Speaker 2: he's competitive, he's tough minded. There's a lot to like
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Speaker 2: about him. You know, listen in twenty twenty six of
15:44
Speaker 2: Michael McGreevey is near the back of your rotation, fifth
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Speaker 2: starter maybe fourth starter, then that you're going to have
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Speaker 2: a really good rotation, right, And I don't because I
15:55
Speaker 2: think I've had some fan backlash. You said, well, you
15:57
Speaker 2: guys all talk about him like he's like a number
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Speaker 2: one started. Well if we do, and I don't think
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Speaker 2: we have. But we like him because we see the
16:05
Speaker 2: qualities that he brings to this and anybody's watched him,
16:08
Speaker 2: even games where his pitching line wasn't all that great,
16:12
Speaker 2: there were some things in there you would really like.
16:14
Speaker 2: I mean, there is part of the cliche, but there's
16:16
Speaker 2: a real bulldok, excuse me, a real bulldog to him that. Frankly,
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Speaker 2: I don't think they have enough of right now, and
16:23
Speaker 2: they should plug him in and let him go. I
16:25
Speaker 2: don't really care who. I don't care like who doesn't
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Speaker 2: pitch too bad? You know, all of these guys have
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Speaker 2: no they've all had their chance. It's time to give
16:34
Speaker 2: him a chance. And what is supposedly a quote runway season.
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Speaker 2: So but yeah, it's tough spot. And I don't know
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Speaker 2: what Colorado did today. I was looking for the score
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Speaker 2: here and I can't find it. But they you know,
16:45
Speaker 2: they beat the Twins the first two games out there,
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Speaker 2: so they may they're perking up a little bit. So
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Speaker 2: I don't know. They're probably looking at the Cardinals like boys,
16:53
Speaker 2: with this starting pitching, you know, we can win some
16:54
Speaker 2: more games. So it's gonna be an interesting test out
16:58
Speaker 2: of course field.
16:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not exactly the ballpark that you want
17:01
Speaker 1: your seven plus era rotation to pitch in. I don't
17:05
Speaker 1: care that the Rockies are quite literally fifty games under
17:08
Speaker 1: five hundred. I mean, you have to take care of
17:12
Speaker 1: business against the squad and even if you do, that
17:13
Speaker 1: doesn't really say much about the direction of the club.
17:17
Speaker 1: The thing about Michael mcgey because I want to go
17:19
Speaker 1: back to that, sure, Michael McGreevy is not like going
17:22
Speaker 1: to completely transform this organization, and I would hope that's
17:25
Speaker 1: not like how we're presenting it.
17:28
Speaker 3: I don't think it is.
17:29
Speaker 1: What makes us so adamant that mcgeby should be in
17:32
Speaker 1: the rotation is because he is very much the exact
17:35
Speaker 1: definition of a runway.
17:37
Speaker 3: Player you need this year.
17:38
Speaker 1: Let's not even taken a consideration his status as a
17:40
Speaker 1: first round draft pick from.
17:42
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one.
17:43
Speaker 1: No organization treats their first round draft pick a college
17:48
Speaker 1: pitcher by the way the way that the Cardinals have
17:51
Speaker 1: treated Michael McGreevy. It's just complete malpractice when it comes
17:54
Speaker 1: to drafting a college pitcher in the first round.
17:58
Speaker 3: He's not going to be the ace of the rotation.
18:00
Speaker 3: He's not going to take.
18:01
Speaker 1: This organization from average to a perennial contender. But he
18:08
Speaker 1: is maybe going to be an important piece of going
18:10
Speaker 1: forward as a back end starter, and the Cardinals need
18:12
Speaker 1: to see that. He also is by far one of
18:16
Speaker 1: your better options in this rotation currently. So whatever route
18:19
Speaker 1: you want to go, whether it's runway or results. Michael
18:22
Speaker 1: mcbreby fits both both molds, which is why there has
18:25
Speaker 1: been such a push for myself, from you, Bernie, from
18:28
Speaker 1: many others to get him in the rotation. It's not
18:30
Speaker 1: because we think he's going to be the next Cy Young.
18:32
Speaker 1: It's because he has some great qualities. It's because he
18:36
Speaker 1: will perform better than the majority of this rotation right now,
18:39
Speaker 1: and because he figures to be a part of the
18:41
Speaker 1: future going forward, so you might as well see.
18:44
Speaker 3: What you have in him. I'm with you. I don't
18:45
Speaker 3: care whose spot he takes.
18:47
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals are looking to do a
18:49
Speaker 1: six man rotation right now at this time. I think
18:51
Speaker 1: there's going to be a time where they make a
18:53
Speaker 1: decision about Libby's Indians and Polante's Innians. But I still
18:56
Speaker 1: think that they're trying, in the most perfect world to
18:59
Speaker 1: trade Eric Fetti. That's why they're going to keep throwing
19:01
Speaker 1: him out there. The Cardinals are not starting Eric Fetty
19:04
Speaker 1: because they think that they give him their best chance
19:05
Speaker 1: to win. They're starting him because it's their only way
19:08
Speaker 1: to kind of prove any kind of value here. Because
19:11
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before Bernie. Does it matter what
19:15
Speaker 1: a pitcher looks like. It matters that a picture is healthy.
19:17
Speaker 1: At the deadline, you have x amount of teams looking
19:20
Speaker 1: for starting pitching, which is, as we know, the most
19:23
Speaker 1: coveted thing at the deadline. Some organization is going to
19:26
Speaker 1: look at Eric Fetty and think, you know what, maybe
19:28
Speaker 1: we can fix him. We'll take a flyer on him
19:30
Speaker 1: for a rental for what may be less than three
19:32
Speaker 1: million dollars. But we have to know if he's healthy.
19:35
Speaker 1: And if the Cardinals are all of a sudden skipping
19:37
Speaker 1: his starts, then you have the red flag like maybe
19:39
Speaker 1: he's not healthy. So he's going to continue pitching at
19:42
Speaker 1: least one more time through the rotation. McGreevy should continue
19:45
Speaker 1: pitching throughout the rest of the season, you know.
19:48
Speaker 2: And here's the deal. I don't think he has much value,
19:50
Speaker 2: but I think of a trade that it just shows
19:54
Speaker 2: you that you can you take a guy that's really
19:57
Speaker 2: not very good at it. You know, he was not
19:59
Speaker 2: very good that season, and he's on expiring contract and
20:02
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and you know you can still get
20:06
Speaker 2: a little something from me. Here in the trade I'm
20:08
Speaker 2: thinking about is when the Cardinals got Matt Swahonson, you know,
20:13
Speaker 2: and I think it was the d Young trade. Now again,
20:15
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not sitting here saying, oh man, they
20:19
Speaker 2: got Matt Sponts. That's really not the point. The point
20:22
Speaker 2: is they they they cashed in an asset that had
20:25
Speaker 2: no future with the team and they got a young
20:29
Speaker 2: player who a young pitcher at the time. You know,
20:32
Speaker 2: I read some stuff about him. He had some potential,
20:34
Speaker 2: but he has shown that he can be a good
20:37
Speaker 2: reliever in you're in a major league bullpen. I mean,
20:40
Speaker 2: so you can even if the guy like Vetti's value
20:43
Speaker 2: has got to be rock bottom. But even then, you know,
20:46
Speaker 2: you you can get a marginal prospect or two, and
20:50
Speaker 2: you never, you never, if you've done your scouting and
20:53
Speaker 2: you have a good read on these prospects, you might
20:55
Speaker 2: be able to, you know, pluck someone out of this
20:59
Speaker 2: that can help you in the few you know. And
21:01
Speaker 2: I'm saying that keeping my keeping keeping a good perspective
21:06
Speaker 2: on this, you know. In other words, anything you can
21:08
Speaker 2: get that can help you, that's a good trade for
21:10
Speaker 2: a guy like Vetti. So we'll see what happens. But
21:12
Speaker 2: before we I wanted to say one other thing about Libator.
21:16
Speaker 2: I wonder, maybe it's not fair to wonder, but after all,
21:18
Speaker 2: McGreevy was down there, okay, And I don't think this
21:22
Speaker 2: is a second guest, but if people want to say
21:23
Speaker 2: it's a second guest, okay, you and I and a
21:27
Speaker 2: lot of people are are fans of Matthew Libator. We
21:30
Speaker 2: love the decision to put him in the rotation. I'm
21:32
Speaker 2: not second guests and that at all. But his first
21:35
Speaker 2: ten starts were outstanding, except for maybe one, but really
21:37
Speaker 2: really good body of work. His last eight no e
21:41
Speaker 2: er a way up. But the thing that that the
21:43
Speaker 2: telltale sign during this eight stretch start eight start stretch,
21:48
Speaker 2: pardon me, is his strikeout rate is just absolutely collapsed.
21:51
Speaker 2: I mean it's right down there with Fetti and Michaels Belonte.
21:54
Speaker 2: So to me, that's a telltale sign. And it wasn't
21:58
Speaker 2: like it just happened. It had happened gradually. I think
22:02
Speaker 2: it's fair to ask, you know, should Ali and Dusty
22:06
Speaker 2: Blake maybe given him that breather earlier? I think he
22:11
Speaker 2: I think he needed one even before the All Star
22:14
Speaker 2: break in now. In other words, I like what they're doing,
22:17
Speaker 2: but I think they maybe should have done that or
22:20
Speaker 2: could have done that sooner. And it's not like people
22:23
Speaker 2: were never raising questions about, well, wait a minute, you know, uh,
22:27
Speaker 2: what's going to happen when the when the innings pile up.
22:30
Speaker 2: And I was one of the people that actually pushed
22:33
Speaker 2: back against that because you know what I said, and
22:35
Speaker 2: my friend Chris ryn j km wax was saying that
22:37
Speaker 2: pretty early on, and I was kind of like poopoo
22:39
Speaker 2: in him, and I said, oh, no, no, no, these
22:42
Speaker 2: guys will make sure not to overdo it. They'll they'll
22:46
Speaker 2: they'll skip, they'll skip a start. You know, maybe they'll
22:49
Speaker 2: you know, the skip a start, then a little while
22:50
Speaker 2: down the road they'll skip another start. And they didn't,
22:54
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, I'm a little befuddled that by that,
22:59
Speaker 2: because again, you had McGreevy down there ready to go.
23:03
Speaker 2: You could have given Libatare a couple of different breaks, like,
23:07
Speaker 2: I don't understand it's gonna laugh instead of rage. I
23:12
Speaker 2: just don't understand these people sometimes. I mean, you know,
23:16
Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to make them a spot starter,
23:18
Speaker 2: well he can be a spot starter for when you say,
23:20
Speaker 2: you know, gosh, you look at the numbers, it looks
23:23
Speaker 2: like Libby's probably a little worn out. We got to
23:27
Speaker 2: give him a blow here. That's what mcgreevy's down there for. Right,
23:32
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know. I kind of
23:34
Speaker 2: give up on this stuff by now, I really do.
23:36
Speaker 2: I'm trying to try to make sense of it.
23:38
Speaker 3: Oh, we have stuff trying to do that. It's never
23:41
Speaker 3: going to make sense.
23:41
Speaker 2: Stop making sense, fucking heads, stop making sense anyway.
23:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, we just kept guessing. It's okay. I really
23:49
Speaker 3: learned a lot.
23:49
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Speaker 1: Thinking about when my voice sounded like a normal person jokes, Oh, you're.
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Speaker 2: Right, you're too you're too hard on yourself.
25:17
Speaker 1: No, it's pretty bad, and it's only gonna get worse
25:18
Speaker 1: because I'm recording a crossover episode with Kyle Glaser of
25:22
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Speaker 1: double whammy of whatever is going on here.
25:28
Speaker 2: By the way, the Twins did beat the Rockies today,
25:30
Speaker 2: so they cooled them down a little bit. For the Cardinals.
25:32
Speaker 2: You know what, we're not doing DraftKings picking someone. But
25:35
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say this. I really want to
25:37
Speaker 2: see Polone in this series because the Rockies love to
25:41
Speaker 2: hit the ball in the air, obviously, and you know Polonte.
25:44
Speaker 2: The one thing about that man groundball, ground ball, ground ball,
25:46
Speaker 2: ground ball, ground ball. Everyone can laugh at me later,
25:50
Speaker 2: but I think Polonte is gonna have a good start
25:51
Speaker 2: out there.
25:53
Speaker 1: That that is a choice, that is the take. Yeah,
25:56
Speaker 1: you know what, we need some optimism, so.
25:59
Speaker 2: Right right, did he start the third game in the series.
26:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, ground ball baby, All right?
26:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't you know what, I'd be a home run
26:07
Speaker 1: if it doesn't leave the ground. So that's that's smart there, Bertie. Look,
26:12
Speaker 1: I feel like this series against Diamondbacks kind of started
26:16
Speaker 1: the Cardinals sliding to the soft cell mode. I think
26:19
Speaker 1: if they lose the series to the Rockies, it will
26:21
Speaker 1: definitively point that way. But as we just said, nothing's
26:24
Speaker 1: for certain with this organization. We know John mozayloc Will
26:27
Speaker 1: is comfortable waiting until the last couple of days before
26:30
Speaker 1: definitively deciding. And let me clarify something because I just
26:33
Speaker 1: saw this on Twitter. Just because the President Baseball Operations
26:36
Speaker 1: is prepared to wait until ninety six seventy two hours
26:41
Speaker 1: to make a definitive decision does not mean that he
26:43
Speaker 1: is not preparing or checking in or calling. Come on, people,
26:46
Speaker 1: we have to use our brains. I know there's some
26:48
Speaker 1: no fatigue here, but you really think he's not on
26:51
Speaker 1: the phone with multiple other executives around the league checking
26:54
Speaker 1: in on different players, gauging the interest on his own team.
26:57
Speaker 3: Of course he is.
26:58
Speaker 1: He's just not committing a decision until he absolutely has to. Now,
27:02
Speaker 1: this rocky series, should the Cardinals lose, it will ultimately
27:05
Speaker 1: force his hand.
27:06
Speaker 3: And I know that he has said, including to me.
27:09
Speaker 1: He does not really want to trade a Ryan Helsley
27:12
Speaker 1: or a film Aton or a Steven Mattz. They're open
27:14
Speaker 1: to trading in Eric Betty regardless of direction, but if
27:17
Speaker 1: they're gonna compete, Moe wants to hang on.
27:19
Speaker 3: To his relievers.
27:20
Speaker 1: If they pivot to this soft cell, those are most
27:24
Speaker 1: likely the players that are gonna go. I don't see
27:26
Speaker 1: the Cardinals trading anyone not on expiring deals. There is
27:30
Speaker 1: a huge demn for a reliever market. You think of
27:32
Speaker 1: any contender or fringe contender, they all want relievers. The Dodgers,
27:37
Speaker 1: the Phillies, the Rays. Everyone wants relievers. There will be
27:41
Speaker 1: a market for those three. They might not want to
27:43
Speaker 1: move them, they might have to. This rocky series, I
27:46
Speaker 1: think will give us a much better understanding of the
27:47
Speaker 1: direction they'll go next week.
27:49
Speaker 2: I see, I've already made up my mind, and it's
27:54
Speaker 2: not prematurely at all, because again I was offering some
27:57
Speaker 2: stuff here about this before and after picture. You know,
28:01
Speaker 2: their last forty four games, and how brutal it's been,
28:04
Speaker 2: and run differential starting pitching, the offense, like all the
28:08
Speaker 2: arrows are pointing way way, way way down. And so
28:12
Speaker 2: this team as it is right now, even with all
28:14
Speaker 2: those players that MO might pitchers, players MO might be
28:19
Speaker 2: really wanting to hang on to. It's it's not gonna
28:25
Speaker 2: They're not going to make you a good team. The
28:26
Speaker 2: Cardinals weaknesses have been laid wide open. Everyone knows what
28:29
Speaker 2: they are now, and you don't turn those things around,
28:33
Speaker 2: you might turn them around for a series. To your point, Okay,
28:36
Speaker 2: go to Colorado. They play a horrible team, Maybe they
28:39
Speaker 2: can win the series, maybe they can sweep that. Personally,
28:42
Speaker 2: wouldn't change my mind because I'm going back with a
28:45
Speaker 2: big body of work. That's you know, getting close to
28:47
Speaker 2: fifty games. The other thing is that And if pardon me,
28:53
Speaker 2: you know, for just throwing this in here too, but
28:55
Speaker 2: I did write about it is part of a longer
28:58
Speaker 2: column and I mentioned it on video. I think STL
29:01
Speaker 2: Sports Central, thank you, you know who would have I
29:06
Speaker 2: think surprisingly rich trade value in a very hungry reliever market.
29:12
Speaker 2: Do Cardinals fans know that since Dusty Blake spotted a
29:17
Speaker 2: mechanical flaw that was impacting his delivery, going back to
29:23
Speaker 2: late April, it's like it's now twenty six relief appearances.
29:27
Speaker 2: Jojo Romero has got an ERA of about zero point
29:31
Speaker 2: forty and he has not allowed an inherited runner to score,
29:36
Speaker 2: and he is murder on lefties. And here's the thing,
29:39
Speaker 2: here's why I say they if somebody, if teams want
29:42
Speaker 2: Jojo Romero, and he has been great since late late April,
29:48
Speaker 2: you know, the best thing about it For a team
29:52
Speaker 2: that wants him, he's not a rental. He's got one
29:55
Speaker 2: more year left after this, so you buy him for
29:57
Speaker 2: your push this year, and if you're not set up
30:01
Speaker 2: for next year you will. You would have him the
30:04
Speaker 2: full twenty twenty six at a reasonable price. So that's
30:09
Speaker 2: the kind of guy that I think teams really cut
30:12
Speaker 2: rather than just a rental. It's like, well, wait a minute,
30:14
Speaker 2: this guy's been pretty good, and we ought to take
30:16
Speaker 2: a look at this because we can just put them.
30:19
Speaker 2: We know we'll have them for twenty twenty six. So
30:21
Speaker 2: I would just throw that out there and just as
30:23
Speaker 2: a general principal, Katie, you know, and I'm sure you
30:27
Speaker 2: agree or agree to a point to me, MO ought
30:32
Speaker 2: to just let everybody know that, hey, anybody's available, you know,
30:36
Speaker 2: make us an offer. Now, this doesn't mean and I'm
30:39
Speaker 2: saying just get rid of everybody. I'm not saying that
30:41
Speaker 2: at all. But listen to anybody that wants to make
30:44
Speaker 2: you an offer for anyone on your team. You ought
30:46
Speaker 2: to listen to. It doesn't mean you have to say yeah, deal,
30:49
Speaker 2: you listen, right, because you got to listen. Do what
30:53
Speaker 2: you can to set this thing up better for hein
30:55
Speaker 2: Bloom when he takes over. You know, you got to
30:58
Speaker 2: sell a.
30:58
Speaker 1: Pint of this year and just keep going the way
31:01
Speaker 1: that they are. Uh, He's going to have to do
31:03
Speaker 1: all the work anyway.
31:04
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you've got guys on expiring contracts
31:08
Speaker 2: or another reliever that gives a new team a full
31:11
Speaker 2: year of his services, you know, don't hold onto these guys.
31:15
Speaker 2: You're not You're not going to beat out these other
31:18
Speaker 2: teams for a wild card spot. No, I mean your
31:21
Speaker 2: less almost fifty games just proves how far you have collapsed, basically,
31:26
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm going on. And I know as
31:28
Speaker 2: soon as they win, like you know, three of four
31:31
Speaker 2: games or for six games, people are going to be like,
31:34
Speaker 2: oh see see No, I've already seen it. You know,
31:38
Speaker 2: this pitch to contact staff. It just shows you, as
31:41
Speaker 2: we all knew the perils of expecting them to be
31:45
Speaker 2: able to kind of dodge all these balls in play,
31:48
Speaker 2: you know, for an entire season, and they weren't able to.
31:51
Speaker 2: They weren't able to pull off that magic trick. They
31:53
Speaker 2: actually pulled it off for a very long time to
31:56
Speaker 2: their credit, but it did.
31:57
Speaker 1: They did an exceptional job in the beginning of the season, right, But.
32:00
Speaker 2: The reality is that's going to catch up to you
32:02
Speaker 2: because you just can't keep dancing dancing around all these
32:06
Speaker 2: hard hit balls everywhere. You know. I don't know, so
32:10
Speaker 2: I'm totally in the cell Cell cell.
32:12
Speaker 1: Mode and I'm with you on Jojo Romero. I didn't
32:15
Speaker 1: think about that, but he'll be heading into his final
32:17
Speaker 1: year of arbitration in twenty twenty six. He's going to
32:19
Speaker 1: be oh, the most money there. The Cardinals are in
32:22
Speaker 1: a cost cutting phase. They do this with Tommy Ed
32:25
Speaker 1: then I'm obviously a different scenario, but I could see
32:28
Speaker 1: Jojo Romero having a lot of value there and maybe
32:30
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are fid to listen.
32:32
Speaker 3: We'll see how the rocking the.
32:33
Speaker 1: Series goes, and then I fully expect we'll have a
32:35
Speaker 1: much better understanding of the trade online picture from the
32:38
Speaker 1: Saint Louis side after the series. I'll be back with
32:41
Speaker 1: the team, whether they like it or not, starting tomorrow.
32:44
Speaker 1: So it'd be nice to actually have some boots on
32:45
Speaker 1: the ground for the first time in a week and
32:47
Speaker 1: try to figure out what exactly is going on and
32:49
Speaker 1: what's a fair expectation over the next ten days.
32:52
Speaker 3: No matter what, it will not be boring. So we
32:55
Speaker 3: have that.
32:55
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Well, and I really mean this.
33:01
Speaker 2: It's been a fascinating season. It's been a really interesting season,
33:06
Speaker 2: and the Cardinals really played good ball, and they were
33:09
Speaker 2: they were a very likable team for most of the way.
33:11
Speaker 2: But I just think it's the classic case of like,
33:15
Speaker 2: you know, they're kind of out over their skis now
33:16
Speaker 2: and they've been exposed that, you know, the vulnerabilities have
33:20
Speaker 2: just no longer can be concealed. They're just out there
33:23
Speaker 2: in the open, you know. So so reality is like
33:26
Speaker 2: kind of knocking you upside the head. You know. There's
33:29
Speaker 2: that's really the bottom line. It doesn't mean these players
33:31
Speaker 2: are worthless. It doesn't mean they're garbage. It doesn't know
33:34
Speaker 2: it's listen, you know. I I the people that thought, hey,
33:38
Speaker 2: this team, you know, they're gonna have a losing record,
33:40
Speaker 2: they may even lose eighty seven, eighty eight games whatever,
33:45
Speaker 2: those were not outrageously negative opinions because you look at
33:48
Speaker 2: you look at all the questions in this whole runway
33:50
Speaker 2: winning runway winning and then being stubborn, you know, by
33:54
Speaker 2: keeping you know, Fatti and Michael, listen, your rotation, you
33:56
Speaker 2: hold back one of your runway starters. I mean, this
33:59
Speaker 2: whole this whole thing has been weird, and I think
34:02
Speaker 2: that for the most part they've gotten they've gotten. I
34:06
Speaker 2: think they've gotten a lot lot out of this roster
34:09
Speaker 2: and that and that and that part should not be forgotten.
34:12
Speaker 2: Am I down on them now?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I am, because I didn't like the way they came
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Speaker 2: out in Arizona and they were flat and they had
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Speaker 2: no no energy. That's inexcusable. But they they actually squeezed
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Speaker 2: quite quite a bit out of this this poorly constructed
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Speaker 2: roster and also this mission statement that was confusing to everybody.
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Speaker 2: You know, so I don't lose sight of that. I'm
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Speaker 2: not gonna, you know, basically sit here and say everything's
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Speaker 2: a failure. No. No, there's been some good discoveries. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there's been some good discoveries this year. That was part
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Speaker 2: of the.
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Speaker 3: Season was discover what you have.
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Speaker 1: I think there are plenty of players that you can
34:49
Speaker 1: look to build around for next year, starting with Brendan Donovan.
34:52
Speaker 1: You have some exciting talent and triple A. Look just
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Speaker 1: because the Cardinals should probably soft sell, mainly because I
34:59
Speaker 1: don't think there's a single move they could make to
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Speaker 1: improve their team to be surefire contenders at the deadline anyway, right,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that this is a failure of a season.
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Speaker 3: In the long term.
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Speaker 1: I still think the Cardinals did the right thing this
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Speaker 1: year in trying to see what they had in house.
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Speaker 1: And if in house your talent did not project out
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Speaker 1: to what you thought it would be, at least you
35:19
Speaker 1: know that now, so now you can focus on trying
35:23
Speaker 1: to build in within, try to upgrade your player development system,
35:27
Speaker 1: try to find something an offload talent that won't be
35:29
Speaker 1: here next year, and try to get something to spin
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Speaker 1: it forward. Doesn't mean it's a failure of a season.
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Speaker 1: It's so difficult, but we have to keep the long
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Speaker 1: term view and focus here. And that's why hope happens
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Speaker 1: at this year's straight deadline.
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Speaker 2: But they that's why they've got to get something out
35:43
Speaker 2: of the players that are going to be leaving. They
35:46
Speaker 2: just have to. Because even if you make three or
35:48
Speaker 2: four deals and none of them are quote blockbusters, it's
35:52
Speaker 2: kind of the cumulative effect of who you add, you know,
35:55
Speaker 2: and you might get really lucky on a prospect or two.
35:59
Speaker 2: But I think this frankly, I think the season is
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Speaker 2: a failure. If you don't sell at the deadline.
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Speaker 3: That I would agree with.
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Speaker 2: And if most you know, he's hemming and hauling and hesitating,
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Speaker 2: and you know at that point the Dewitz have to
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Speaker 2: just say no first time ever. They're not ordering you
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Speaker 2: to sell, They're not, but they should.
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Speaker 3: Will not do that. I mean, you and I both
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Speaker 3: know that.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's like, how much more damage do you
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Speaker 2: want to do to your own franchise?
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Speaker 1: Right that I would, I would totally agree, that would
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Speaker 1: completely I think ruin this season if the Cardinals did
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Speaker 1: not capitalize and try to stay on the long term
36:36
Speaker 1: view this again, like we just said, this is not
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Speaker 1: a team where it's one trade away from being a contender. Okay,
36:42
Speaker 1: that's not who they are this year. That's okay, but
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Speaker 1: don't try to fool people into thinking that it is.
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Speaker 1: Look around the stadium, you think fans don't know that already?
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Speaker 1: They pull the span base into thinking that this team
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Speaker 1: is something more than it is. Let's do the smart thing,
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Speaker 1: Let's keep the four of.
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Speaker 3: The eyes on the future. We'll see how the Rocky
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Speaker 3: series go goes.
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Speaker 1: But I have an indication that the Cardinals are leaning
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Speaker 1: more towards a soft sell than before, so we'll see
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Speaker 1: Brainy and I can break it down after the Rocky
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Speaker 1: series will be fun.
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Speaker 2: We'll take care of your voice.
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Speaker 1: Yes, nobody needs to hear all right, Core being back
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Speaker 1: with you from Colorado. We'll have a crossover episode after
37:19
Speaker 1: that again with Pager's Territory. Kyle Blazer does an amazing
37:21
Speaker 1: job there, Bernie. I'll be back with you at some
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Speaker 1: point next week. Maybe this next series will go better
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Speaker 1: than the last one, low bar, but you know, let's
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Speaker 1: try it out.
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Speaker 3: O Kat, you thanks for watching. Cardinals Territory out soon