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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And Washington State University (9/28/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to take a look at the
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  Speaker 1: newly unsealed search warrant for Brian Kohlberger's apartment in Pullman, Washington.
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  Speaker 1: So let's dive right in. In the Superior Court of
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  Speaker 1: the State of Washington, in and for the County of Whitman,
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  Speaker 1: in the matter of application for search warrant, motion passed.
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  Speaker 1: an order to unseal warrant return. Case number 12-29-2022A.
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  Speaker 2: Motion. Comes now.
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  Speaker 1: The state of Washington, by and through Dennis Tracy, Whitman
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  Speaker 1: County Prosecuting Attorney, and moves the court for an order
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  Speaker 1: to unseal the return of service of search warrant numbered
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  Speaker 1: SW number 12-29-2022A pursuant to GR 15 basis. These warrants
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  Speaker 1: were issued and served in Washington State because the suspect
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  Speaker 1: in the crimes resided and worked here during the time
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  Speaker 1: of the murders. The warrants and associated applications were sealed
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  Speaker 1: due to the sensitive nature of the investigation at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Since then, an extensive probable cause affidavit has been unsealed
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  Speaker 1: in Latah County, Idaho, which has alleviated the need for
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  Speaker 1: the sealing of the return service here in Washington. This
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  Speaker 1: order was presented by a prosecuting attorney, Dennis P. Tracy,
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  Speaker 1: and it was signed by Judge Gary Libby. In the
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  Speaker 1: matter of application for search warrant, motion and order for
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  Speaker 1: original search warrant and search warrant application to remain sealed
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  Speaker 1: but redacted version be provided immediately public's release. The state
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  Speaker 1: of Washington, by and through Dennis Tracy, Whitman County prosecuting attorney,
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  Speaker 1: and moved the court for an order to keep sealed
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  Speaker 1: the search warrant and search warrant application numbered SW number 12-29-2022A,
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  Speaker 1: but to allow the state to file a Redacted versions
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  Speaker 1: which replace the victim witnesses' names with initials pursuant to GR-15.
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  Speaker 2: Basis.
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  Speaker 1: The Washington State Constitution recognizes that victims of crimes have
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  Speaker 1: rights and states that effective law enforcement depends on cooperation
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  Speaker 1: from victims of crime. The Washington State Legislature has recognized
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  Speaker 1: that there is severe evidence detrimental impact on crime victims,
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  Speaker 1: survivors of victims, and witnesses of crime, and, yet, there is,
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  Speaker 1: the civic and moral duty of victims, survivors of victims,
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  Speaker 1: and witnesses of crimes to fully and voluntarily cooperate with
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement and prosecutorial agencies. In a criminal proceeding, the
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  Speaker 1: law requires that a reasonable effort is made to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that victims, survivors of victims, and witnesses of crimes Washington
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  Speaker 1: courts have long acknowledged that a victim's.
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  Speaker 2: Initials can be substituted for their name.
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  Speaker 1: The basis for this motion is that the two surviving victims,
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  Speaker 1: witnesses of a now notorious crime, and much-publicized murder burglary
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho, whose full names are listed in this
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  Speaker 1: search warrant and search warrant application. These warrants were issued
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  Speaker 1: and served in Washington state because the suspect in the
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  Speaker 1: crimes resided and worked here during the time of the murders.
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  Speaker 1: These warrants and associated applications were sealed due to the
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  Speaker 1: sensitive nature of the investigation at that time. Since then,
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  Speaker 1: an extensive probable cause affidavit has been unsealed in Latah, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: which has alleviated much of the need for sealing here
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  Speaker 1: in Washington. But the documents filed in Latah County have
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  Speaker 1: not disclosed the surviving.
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  Speaker 2: Victims' names, only their initials.
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  Speaker 1: These victims should have the level of protection that can
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  Speaker 1: be provided by having their initials substituted for their full
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  Speaker 1: names in the search warrants and search warrant applications which
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  Speaker 1: become publicly available from this court. The state is asking
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  Speaker 1: the court to consider the usual factors. One, showing the
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  Speaker 1: need for sealing the records and where that need is
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  Speaker 1: based on a right other than the accused right to
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  Speaker 1: a fair trial, a serious and eminent threat to the right. Two,
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  Speaker 1: anyone present when motion is made must be given an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to object to the closure. Three, The proposed method
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  Speaker 1: for curtailing open access must be the least restrictive means
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  Speaker 1: available for protecting the threatened interests. Four, the court must
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  Speaker 1: weigh the competing interests of the proponent of closure and
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  Speaker 1: the public. And five, the order must be no broader
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  Speaker 1: in its application or duration than necessary to serve its purpose.
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  Speaker 1: The state contends that that the need to protect victim
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  Speaker 1: identities is important for their safety, health, and well-being, and
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  Speaker 1: that victims' and witnesses' rights should be protected vigorously, just
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  Speaker 1: as the legislature and the state founders intended. The proposed
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  Speaker 1: method is to file a complete search warrant and application
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  Speaker 1: for warrant with only the surviving victims' names redacted and
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  Speaker 1: replaced with initials. This is a very minor closure of
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  Speaker 1: a court document in order to protect An important victim interest. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: the order will be no broader in application than necessary
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  Speaker 1: to serve its purpose. And the public will still have
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  Speaker 1: the pertinent information at its disposal in order to understand
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  Speaker 1: the proceedings of the court. And this was signed and
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  Speaker 1: dated on January 17th of 2023 by Dennis Tracy, the
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  Speaker 1: prosecuting attorney. and Judge Gary Libby. To any peace officer
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Washington, search warrant for a residence,
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  Speaker 1: state of Washington, county of Whitman. Upon the sworn complaint
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  Speaker 1: made before me, there is probable cause to believe that
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  Speaker 1: the crimes of murder in the first degree and burglary
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  Speaker 1: per Idaho code has been committed in Idaho and and
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  Speaker 1: that evidence of that or those crimes, or contraband, the
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  Speaker 1: fruits of a crime, or things otherwise criminally possessed, or weapons,
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  Speaker 1: or other things by means of which a crime has
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  Speaker 1: been committed or reasonably about to be committed, is concealed
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  Speaker 1: in or on certain premises. In making this determination, the
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  Speaker 1: court did not consider the information in the Supplemental Disclosure
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  Speaker 1: DNA test as evidence supporting the existence of probable cause.
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  Speaker 1: This court also does not consider the information in that
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  Speaker 1: supplemental disclosure to be exculpatory. You are commanded to 1.
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  Speaker 1: Search within 10 days of this date the premises described
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  Speaker 1: as follows. Apartment located at 1630 Northeast Valley Road, apartment
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  Speaker 1: number G201, Pullman, WA. 1630 Northeast Valley Road is a
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  Speaker 1: three-story multiple occupancy apartment building in Pullman, Washington, which is
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  Speaker 1: tan and white in color. Apartment G201 is located on
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  Speaker 1: the northeast corner of the second story of the building.
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  Speaker 1: The door to G201 is located on the east side
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  Speaker 1: of the second story landing and is designated by the
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  Speaker 1: number 201 on the door. The door is white, with
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  Speaker 1: a swinging screen door on the outside of the main
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  Speaker 1: door to the residence.
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  Speaker 2: Number two.
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  Speaker 1: Seize, if located, evidence of the above listed crimes, including one, blood,
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  Speaker 1: or other bodily fluid, or human tissue, or skin cells,
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  Speaker 1: or items with blood, or other bodily fluid, or human tissue,
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  Speaker 1: or skin cells, on the items.
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  Speaker 2: Number two.
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  Speaker 1: Knives, sheaths, or any other sharp tools, including any dagger, dirk,
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  Speaker 1: or sword, or any written indica of ownership of same,
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  Speaker 1: including sales receipts. Any images, whether digital or on paper,
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  Speaker 1: or any other format, which show Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Carnotel, or Madison Mogan, or BF and or D.M.,
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  Speaker 1: and or the house at 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: and or the surrounding neighborhood. 4. Clothing, including, but not
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  Speaker 1: limited to, dark shirts, dark pants, masks, shoes with diamond-patterned sole. 5.
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  Speaker 1: Trace evidence, including DNA from blood or skin cells or
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  Speaker 1: other source, footprints, fingerprints, hair, whether human or animal dog. 6.
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  Speaker 1: Data compilations, whether digital, electronic, or on paper or other format,
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  Speaker 1: showing an interest in or planning of murder, violent assault,
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  Speaker 1: stabbing or cutting of people, and data compilations showing the
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  Speaker 1: details of the 1122 King Road house, its location and
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  Speaker 1: or any information about Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, BF and or DM and data compilations showing
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  Speaker 1: the location of Brian Koberger, or the cell phone with
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  Speaker 1: the number 509-592-8458 on November 13, 2022, including Wi-Fi logs
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  Speaker 1: and data or metadata associated with photos, social media posts,
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  Speaker 1: or applications on cell phone or computer towers, laptops, tablets.
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  Speaker 1: As example, but not intended, to be an exclusive list
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  Speaker 1: of data compilations being sought. Ledgers, papers, lists, books, notes, letters, calendars,
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  Speaker 1: address books, contact lists, diaries, tapes, photographs, videos, emails, text messages,
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  Speaker 1: social media posts, messages, and metadata associated therewith. Number seven,
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  Speaker 1: electronic digital devices or digital storage devices, which may contain
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  Speaker 1: any of the above data compilations. including cell phones, computer towers, tablets,
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  Speaker 1: external hard drives, CD, DVD, thumb drive, or other data
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  Speaker 1: storage devices. This includes any device which may contain evidence
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  Speaker 1: of other accounts associated with this device, including email addresses,
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  Speaker 1: social media accounts, messaging app accounts, and other accounts that
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  Speaker 1: may be accessed through the digital device that will aid
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  Speaker 1: in in determining the possessor or user of the device, photographs, images, videos, documents,
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  Speaker 1: and related data created, accessed, read, modified, received, stored, sent, moved, deleted,
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  Speaker 1: or otherwise manipulated between the above dates. Evidence of the
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  Speaker 1: use of the device to conduct Internet searches relating to
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  Speaker 1: a review of other murders or violent assault, stabbing, and
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  Speaker 1: or cutting of people, as well as how to avoid
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  Speaker 1: detection after the commission of such crimes, details of the
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  Speaker 1: 1122 King Road house, its location, neighborhood, and or information
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  Speaker 1: about one or more of the victims, Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodal, Madison Mogan, BF, and or DM. Information that
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  Speaker 1: can be used to calculate the position of the device
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  Speaker 1: between the above dates, including location data, GPS satellite data,
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  Speaker 1: GPS coordinates for routes and destination queries between the above-listed dates,
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  Speaker 1: app data or usage information, and related location information, IP
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  Speaker 1: logs or similar internet connection information, and images created, accessed,
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  Speaker 1: or modified between the above-listed dates together with their metadata
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  Speaker 1: and EXIF tags. Evidence of the identity of the person
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  Speaker 1: in possession of the device on or about any times
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  Speaker 1: that item of evidentiary value located pursuant to this warrant
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  Speaker 1: were created, modified, accessed, or otherwise manipulated. Such evidence may
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  Speaker 1: be found in digital communications, photos, and video, and associated metadata,
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  Speaker 1: IP logs, documents, social media activity, and similar data.
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  Speaker 2: Also, passwords, phrases, codes, patterns.
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  Speaker 1: Fingerprints, and or usernames to operate any such device. 8.
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  Speaker 1: Indicia of residence in or ownership or possession of the
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  Speaker 1: premises and any of the above items, including mail, receipts, identification, bills,
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  Speaker 1: rental agreements, licensing documents, and other personal property. whose owner-possessor
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  Speaker 1: may be readily determined. Assistance from law enforcement agencies for
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  Speaker 1: the state of Idaho or the federal government or any
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  Speaker 1: other technical specialist associated with or employed by or contracted
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  Speaker 1: with such law enforcement agencies, including but not limited to
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  Speaker 1: Moscow Police Department, Idaho State Police, FBI, Idaho State Police
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  Speaker 1: Forensic Services, is authorized. Assistance from A technical specialist is
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  Speaker 1: also authorized to review any digital devices and digital media
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  Speaker 1: for the best and least intrusive method for securing digital
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  Speaker 1: evidence that the warrant authorizes for seizure and to assist
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  Speaker 1: in securing such evidence. Promptly return this warrant to me
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  Speaker 1: or the clerk of this court. The return must include
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  Speaker 1: an inventory of all property seized, a copy of the warrant,
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  Speaker 1: And receipt for the property taken shall be given to
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  Speaker 1: the person from whom or from the premises property is taken.
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  Speaker 1: If no person is found in possession, a copy and
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  Speaker 1: receipt shall be conspicuously posted at the place where the
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  Speaker 1: property is found. And this is signed by Judge Gray Libby.
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  Speaker 2: Whitman County, Washington. State of Washington.
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  Speaker 1: County of Whitman. Application for search warrant. Declaration. I, Don Daniels,
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  Speaker 1: Assistant Chief of Washington State University Police Department, declare that
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  Speaker 1: I have personal knowledge of the matters herein and or
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  Speaker 1: am relying on witness statements, information provided by my fellow officers,
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  Speaker 1: including fellow officers from the state of Idaho, reports, and
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  Speaker 1: other materials I have gathered in my investigation, and that
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  Speaker 1: I am competent to testify to the matters stated herein.
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  Speaker 2: On the basis of the.
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  Speaker 1: Following, I believe there is probable cause that Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: has committed the crime of murder, first degree, Idaho Code
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  Speaker 1: IC 18-4001, 4002, 4003, and 4004, and burglary IC 18-1401,
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  Speaker 1: 1403 in Moscow, Idaho, and that evidence of those crimes
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  Speaker 1: is Weapons or other things by means of which a
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  Speaker 1: crime has been committed or reasonably appears to be committed
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  Speaker 1: is located in or about the following described premises, vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: or person. Apartment located at 1630 Northeast Valley Road, apartment
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  Speaker 1: number G201 Pullman, Washington, 1630 Northeast Valley Road is a
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  Speaker 1: three-story multiple occupancy apartment building. in Pullman, Washington, which is
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  Speaker 1: tan and white in color. Apartment G201 is located on
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  Speaker 1: the northeast corner of the second story of this building.
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  Speaker 1: The door of G201 is located at the east side
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  Speaker 1: of the second story landing and is designated by the
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  Speaker 1: numbers 201 on the door. The door is white with
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  Speaker 1: a swinging screen door on the outside of the main
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  Speaker 1: door to the residence. Number one, I am a police
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  Speaker 1: officer at Washington State University Police Department and have been
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  Speaker 1: so employed since July 20th of 1998. I attended and
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  Speaker 1: successfully completed the 440 hour Washington State Criminal Justice Training
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  Speaker 1: Commission's Basic Law Enforcement Academy while at the academy. I
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  Speaker 1: completed courses in criminal law, criminal procedure, and other investigative courses.
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  Speaker 1: Since the academy, I have continued my education in various
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement related fields, including officer involved shooting evidence collection
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  Speaker 1: and threat assessment. I have investigated and assisted in the
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  Speaker 1: list service of over 50 search warrants.
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  Speaker 2: Persons providing information. Number one.
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  Speaker 1: Moscow, Idaho Police Officer Sergeant Dustin Blaker. Sergeant Blaker's sworn
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  Speaker 1: statement is attached here too as Exhibit A and is
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  Speaker 1: hereby incorporated in this application for the search warrant. Sergeant
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  Speaker 1: Blaker identifies his experience and training in his statement and
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  Speaker 1: two other officers and witnesses are identified in Sergeant Blaker's
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  Speaker 1: sworn statement.
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  Speaker 2: The Investigation.
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  Speaker 1: I was contacted by Moscow police officers and asked to
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  Speaker 1: assist their investigation into the recent murder of four people
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho. Sergeant Blaker of the Moscow Police Department
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  Speaker 1: has developed probable cause to believe that a resident of
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  Speaker 1: Whitman County, Brian Kohlberger, committed the murders and burglary. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with Sergeant Blaker's statement that there is probable cause
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  Speaker 1: to believe that Kohlberger committed the murders and burglary. and
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  Speaker 1: that there is probable cause to believe that evidence of
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  Speaker 1: those crimes will be located in Koberger's apartment at 1630
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  Speaker 1: Northeast Valley Road in apartment G201 in Pullman. I am
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  Speaker 1: seeking the search warrant to search the apartment. The probable
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  Speaker 1: cause is described in detail in the attached Exhibit A
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  Speaker 1: sworn statement of Sergeant Blaker, which is hereby incorporated herein
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  Speaker 1: by the reference, just as if fully set forth here.
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  Speaker 1: Based on all the foregoing information, I believe that evidence
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  Speaker 1: of the above listed crimes exist in the above described location,
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  Speaker 1: and that there is probable cause to search that location
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  Speaker 1: for evidence of the above listed crimes, including number one,
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  Speaker 1: blood or other bodily fluid or human tissue or skin
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  Speaker 1: cells or items with blood or other bodily fluid or
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  Speaker 1: human tissue or skin cells on the items. Number two, knives,
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  Speaker 1: sheaths or other sharp tools, including any dagger, dirk or sword,
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  Speaker 1: or any written indicia of ownership of same, including sales receipts.
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  Speaker 1: Number three, any images, whether digital or on paper or
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  Speaker 1: any other format, which show Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, BF and or DM, and or the house
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  Speaker 1: at 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho, and or the surrounding neighborhood. 4. Clothing, including,
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  Speaker 1: but not limited to, dark shirt, dark pants, mask, shoes
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  Speaker 1: with diamond pattern soles. 5. Trace evidence, including DNA from
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  Speaker 1: blood or skin, or other source, footprints, fingerprints, hair, whether
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  Speaker 1: human or animal, dog. Data compilations, whether digital, electronic, or
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  Speaker 1: on paper, or other format, showing an interest in or
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  Speaker 1: planning of murder, violent assault, stabbing, and or cutting of people,
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  Speaker 1: and data compilations showing details of the 1122 King Road house,
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  Speaker 1: its location, and or any information about Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan, BF, and or DM, and data
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  Speaker 1: compilations showing the location of Brian Koberger or the cell
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  Speaker 1: phone with number 509-592-8458 on November 13th, 2022. including Wi-Fi
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  Speaker 1: logs and data and metadata associated with photos, social media posts,
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  Speaker 1: or applications on cell phones or computer towers, laptops, tablets.
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  Speaker 1: As example, not but intended to be an exclusive list
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  Speaker 1: of data compilations being sought, ledgers, papers, lists, books, notes, letters,
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  Speaker 1: address books, contact lists, diaries, tapes, Photographs, videos, emails, text messages,
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  Speaker 1: social media posts, messages, and metadata associated therewith. Number seven,
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  Speaker 1: electronic digital devices or digital storage devices, which may contain
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  Speaker 1: any of the above data compilations, including cell phones, computers, towers, laptops, tablets,
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  Speaker 1: external hard drives, CDs, DVDs, thumb drives, or other data
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  Speaker 1: storage devices. This includes any device which may contain evidence
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  Speaker 1: of other accounts associated with this device, including email addresses,
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  Speaker 1: social media accounts, messaging app accounts, and other accounts that
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  Speaker 1: may be accessed through the digital device that will aid
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  Speaker 1: in determining the possessor user of the device. Photographs, images, videos, documents,
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  Speaker 1: and related data created accessed Read, modified, received, stored, sent, moved, deleted,
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  Speaker 1: otherwise manipulated between the above dates. Evidence of use of
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  Speaker 1: the device to conduct Internet searches relating to the review
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  Speaker 1: of other murders or violent assaults, stabbing and or cutting
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  Speaker 1: of people, as well as how to avoid detection after
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  Speaker 1: the commission of such crimes. Details of the 1122 King
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  Speaker 1: Road house, its location, neighborhood. and or information about one
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  Speaker 1: or more of the victims, Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, BF, and or DM. Information that can be
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  Speaker 1: used to calculate the positions of the device between the
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  Speaker 1: above dates, including location data, GPS satellite data, GPS coordinates
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  Speaker 1: for routes and destination queries between the above listed dates,
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  Speaker 1: app data or usage information and related location information. IP
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  Speaker 1: logs or similar internet connection information and images created, accessed
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  Speaker 1: or modified between the above listed dates together with their.
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  Speaker 2: Metadata and exit tags.
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  Speaker 1: Evidence of the identity of the person in possession of
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  Speaker 1: the device on or about the time's that the items
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  Speaker 1: of evidentiary value located pursuant to this warrant were created, modified, accessed,
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  Speaker 1: or otherwise manipulated. Such evidence may be found in digital communications,
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  Speaker 1: photo and video, and associated metadata, IP logs, documents, social media, activity,
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  Speaker 1: and similar data.
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  Speaker 2: Also, passwords, phrases, codes, patterns.
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  Speaker 1: Fingerprints, and or usernames to operate any such device. 8.
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  Speaker 1: Ownership or possession of the premises and any of the
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  Speaker 1: above items, including mail, receipts, identification, bills, rental agreements, licensing documents,
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  Speaker 1: and other personal property whose owner-possessor may be readily determined.
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  Speaker 1: In addition, I am asking the court to authorize in
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  Speaker 1: the service of the search warrant The use of assistance
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  Speaker 1: from law enforcement agencies from the state of Idaho or
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  Speaker 1: the federal government or any technical specialist associated with or
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  Speaker 1: employed by or contracted with such law enforcement agencies, including
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  Speaker 1: but not limited to the Moscow Police Department, Idaho State Police, FBI,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Idaho State Police Forensic Services. I am also asking for authorization.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of assistance from a technical specialist to review any digital
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: devices and digital media for the best and least intrusive
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: method of securing digital evidence that the warrant authorizes for
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: seizure and to assist in securing such evidence. Supplemental Disclosure
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of DNA Test I have been informed by Detective J.R.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Talbot of the Idaho State Police that, on November 13, 2022,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a sheath was recovered and at the King Road residence
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: under or next to the body of Madison Mogan. The
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Idaho State Crime Lab obtained a male DNA profile, a
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: suspect profile, from the sheath. This is also referred to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: in Sergeant Blaker's sworn statement.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Number two.
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  Speaker 1: On December 27, 2022, law enforcement agents officers in Pennsylvania
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: recovered trash that originated from the Koberger family residence. The
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: trash was sent to the Idaho State Crime Lab for testing.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: On December 28, 2022, the Idaho State Lab reported that
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: a DNA profile was obtained from the trash. It was
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: compared to the suspect DNA profile. The lab personnel concluded
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that the source of the trash DNA profile was a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: male and was not being excluded as the biological father
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: of the source of the suspect profile. At least 99.9998%
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of the male population be expected to be excluded from
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the possibility of being the biological father of the source
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of the suspect profile. This information is being provided to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the court pursuant to my duty and obligation to be
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: fully candid with the court. I do not believe this
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: information is exculpatory for this suspect.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: However, if the court believes it is.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Exculpatory, then the court should consider this supplemental disclosure in
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: its evaluation of the existence of probable cause or lack thereof.
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  Speaker 1: But I am not specifically asking the court to not
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: consider this supplemental disclosure as evidence supporting the existence of
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: probable cause. The reason for this request is that if
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the DNA test results are held inadmissible at some point,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: such a ruling would not impact the finding of probable
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: cause for this warrant. so long as the court is
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: satisfied as to probable cause regardless of the DNA test result.
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  Speaker 1: I certify under perjury under the laws of the state
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  Speaker 1: of Washington that the foregoing is true and correct. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: this was signed by Don Daniels and then ordered by
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Superior Court Judge Gary S.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Libby.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And now we get to the meat and potatoes of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it all, the return warrant.
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  Speaker 2: State of Washington, County of Whitman.
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  Speaker 1: SW number 12-29-2022A amended. Return of service of search warrant,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: residence and storage closet.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Unsealed. Issued by Superior Court Judge Gary J. Libby. Date issued, 12-29.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Date served, 12-30. Served by Assistant Chief Don Daniels.
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  Speaker 2: How served? In person. Items seized.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: All seized from the residence and currently stored at Washington
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: State University PD.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Number one. One nitrate type black glove. Number two. One white.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: receipt with one Dickies tag. Number three. Two Marshalls receipts.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Number four.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Dust container from Bissell Power Force vacuum. Number five. Eight
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: possible hair strands. Number six. One fire TV stick with
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: cord and plug. Number seven. One possible animal hair strand. 8.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: One possible hair. 9. One possible hair. 10. One possible hair. 11.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: One possible hair strand. 12. Computer tower. A. One collection
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of dark red spot collected without testing. B. Two cuttings
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: from uncased pillow of reddish brown stain, larger stain tested. C.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: two top and bottom of mattress cover, packaged separately, both
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: labeled C, multiple stains, one tested. This has been signed
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: by Don Daniels and the prosecuting attorney, D.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Tracy. All right, folks, so there you have it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: That's the warrant, all of the return warrants, the back
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and forth, and all of that jazz. So as these
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: filings make themselves available to us, We'll get them added
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to the catalog as soon as they become available. That
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: way we have a baseline for what's going on and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: we're not counting on rumors or speculation. And, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that's all great, getting the takes from all of the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: experts because they have a lot to offer, right? But
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: when you want to get down to the meat and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the potatoes of something, nothing's better than the court filings
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to see where things currently stand. So we'll continue to
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: add these to the catalog without commentary and we'll see
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: where it all ends up. If you'd like to contact me,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: at protonmail.com.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You can also find me on.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that I discussed
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Recently, News Nation reported
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: that Brian Koberger was fired from his teaching assistant position
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: at Washington State University. Well, there was some pushback to
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that story, and there were some people out there who
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: were questioning if that letter was even real. And I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: completely get it. When there's anonymous sources, it makes it
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: very frustrating to try and follow along and verify what's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: going on. So there's going to be people who don't
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: believe any of the anonymous sources, no matter what. And
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I can't say that I completely blame them for taking
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that approach. How many times have we seen anonymous sources
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: give us garbage? But at the same time, we have
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to understand that There are cases where there are anonymous
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: sources that are close to these situations that are giving
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: us the truth. The problem is that there has been
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: such an erosion of trust between the people and the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: media that it's not even funny. And the legacy media
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: only has themselves to blame. Nobody told them to play
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: loose with the truth. Nobody told them to pick a side,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: but that's what they've done. And when you do that,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: obviously you're going to have a bunch of people who
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: aren't going to believe a word you say, no matter what.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: And I think we're running into a lot of that, right?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of people out there that aren't
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: going to believe anything that the media has to tell them.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm in that same category. I'm a trust but
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: verify kind of person. But I don't just discount things
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: out of hand because it's a rumor per se. or
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: it's an anonymous source that's giving you the information. Remember,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: when you're dealing with a gag order, there's going to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: be a ton of anonymous sources. It comes down to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: what do you believe, right? And for me, I'm not
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a journalist. So my job isn't to make the news here.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: My job is to curate it, present it to you,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and then you go and run with it and.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Do with it as you will.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: My job is to present all of this stuff to
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you so that you have the proper context when you're
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: taking a look at everything in the overall picture. So
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: with that said, let's jump into this article from Fox
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: News and let's see what's going on with this termination letter.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Idaho Murders.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Washington State University responds to report Brian Koberger was fired.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Michael Ruiz. Idaho student murder
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: suspect Brian Kohlberger is no longer enrolled at or employed
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: by Washington State University, where he was studying for a Ph.D.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: in criminology as he sits in an Idaho jail cell
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: facing murder charges in the stabbing deaths of four undergrads.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger does not currently have a teaching assistantship and he
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: is not currently enrolled at Washington State University, said Phil Wheeler,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the school's vice president of marketing and communications. But he
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: used to, before police alleged he ambushed a group of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: students at a house in Moscow, Idaho, just a few
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: miles away from the WSU campus. And as I've stated before,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: this whole timeline seems to add up to me. He
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: starts having these altercations with his professor, things progress, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: he ends up losing it. Goes on his murdering spree,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and if Brian Koberger is the kind of person the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: government alleges he is, It would make a lot of
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: sense that this incident or this series of incidents with
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: his professor could have led to him snapping and going
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: on this killing spree. I also think that the timing
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: of these murders was done on purpose for maximum impact.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: To murder these kids right around the holidays to really
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: make their families feel it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Koberger received an appointment as a teaching assistant at Washington
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: State University and During the fall 2022 semester, Wheeler explained,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: it is typical for students to receive a teaching assistantship
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: or similar appointment as part of their PhD program. So
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: when Brian Koberger lost this job, he lost the funding
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: that he was using to go to school. Without this job,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: what was he going to do? He didn't have a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: backup gig, right? He wasn't working down at the local
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Piggly Wiggly. So without this gig, things really got real
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: for Brian Koberger. And he knew he wasn't going to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: be able to stay in school without this TA job.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So what would make him get to a point where
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: he thinks it's a good idea to have this kind
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: of altercation with a professor who's literally in control of
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: your whole entire future? What else was going on in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: your life? Obviously, there was other things going on. And
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: when we look at the totality of everything, and if
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: we go on what the government is telling us, it
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: looks like Brian Koberger was so caught up in his
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: fantasies that it was seeping into his regular life and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: his work performance and his performance overall at work and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: school suffered for it. Koberger previously had a graduate student
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: office in the Wilson Short Hall building and as part
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of his studies was working as a teaching assistant. In
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: response to a report of a letter stating Koberger was
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: fired after a meeting on December 19th, Wheeler declined to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: go into specifics about the timing. citing the Family Educational
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Rights and Privacy Act, which protects students' records from public disclosure.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Washington State University has not publicly released any information regarding Mr.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's experience as a teaching assistant, Wheeler said. And this
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is all in response to what News Nation is reporting
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: about the termination letter, and the New York Times, in fact,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: picked up on it, and they ran it as well.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: So for the people out there that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Were saying that NewsNation was BSing, the Times picked it up.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So who else is out there that you would look
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: at as a credible source?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Now, I get it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Once again, I'm not going to sit here and tell
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you that the Times is infallible because that's bullshit. But
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: usually when there's a situation like this, they're pretty stringent
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: when it comes to running information like this.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: So with NewsNation.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: end the time saying that this occurred, this letter was sent,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe them. But like everything else, we
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: have to leave that headroom here, folks. We have to
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: leave the headroom for these sources not to be correct.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And we can't just dive in and buy all of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: this stuff 100% and look at it as gospel. We
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: have to remember that this stuff is coming from sources
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that they say are close to the case. And while
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: those sources might be solid and those sources might have
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: good information, We can't verify it ourselves. So it's always
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: a good idea to have a healthy dose of skepticism
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: when you're hearing from sources that are not named or confirmed.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So ultimately, it's going to come down to.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: What you believe.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that the outlets that are sourcing this
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: information are truthful and they have nothing but the truth
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: in mind? Or do you believe that these outlets are
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: just trying to put out any information to try and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: get some clicks? And me personally, I think it's a
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: mixture of both, right? I think that they do have
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: solid sources, but obviously this is a story that's getting
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: them a lot of clicks. So they're going to want
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to keep pumping out information. And again, that's where the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: gag order and my issues come into play as well.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Without any transparency here, it's going to be a fertile
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: ground for all kinds of rumors and BS to sprout
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: up and not only sprout up, but grow like a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: chia pet. Former students have said he seemed preoccupied after
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the slayings and became an easier grader. Following a quadruple
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: homicide just seven miles away near the University of Idaho,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a crime that police alleged Koberger committed, he continued classes
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and finished out the semester as both a student and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: a TA. So there's a lot of varying reports about
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger's behavior around this time from students and people
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: who were around him. And like everything else, we have
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: to take that with a grain of salt as well.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: But for me, a lot of it tracks considering we've
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: heard the same story, basically, or the same kind of
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: story from multiple people at this point about Brian Kohlberger
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: being a bit of a creep. In mid-December, with investigators
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: looking for evidence against him, he drove home to Pennsylvania.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: On the way, on December 15th, police body cam video
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: shows officers stopped him twice in Indiana. And that's when
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the FBI says, well, we didn't lose him. What are
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you guys talking about? We knew exactly what was going on.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And then there was the, well, we didn't tell the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Indiana police to pull him over. And then the Indiana
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: police told us, oh, wait, the FBI told us to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: pull him over. So, yeah, a lot of confusion in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: this case. And again, I understand why people are skeptical
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: when it comes to new information coming out. Because how
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: many times already since November have we heard one thing
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: for that to only be flipped on its head and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: for us to hear something completely different? According to court documents,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Koberger's white Hyundai Elantra was recorded on surveillance video in
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: his hometown of Albrightville, Pennsylvania on December 16th. Two weeks later,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: a tactical team involving state police and the FBI arrested
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: him at his parents' house there. And it's going to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: be interesting what we get out of that warrant as well.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: remember that warrant was sealed? And if Brian Koberger was fired,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: then you would think that he took a bunch of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: shit with him from his apartment. He might not have
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: told his parents, but he knew that he wasn't going
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to be able to come back and afford school without
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that TA position. And we see that confirmed by the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: professor here who says Koberger wasn't even enrolled at Washington
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: State University after all of this. Police had been seeking
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the same Elantra after they say they could place it
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: at the King Road house in Moscow, Idaho, where the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: murders took place early on November 13th. A review of
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road neighborhood
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: showed multiple sightings of suspect vehicle one starting at 3.29 a.m.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and ending at 4.20 a.m. Moscow police corporal Brent Payne
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: wrote an improbable cause affidavit. These sightings show suspect vehicle
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: one makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Road residence and then leaves via Walenta Drive. And remember,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: this is all circumstantial as hell. But when you put
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: it all together and you start piecing it from the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: corners in, the picture that it's revealing is not one
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: that's favorable for Brian Koberger. On the fourth pass at 4.04 a.m.,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the car was seen making an awkward parking attempt and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a three-point turn in front of the house, according to
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the filing. Minutes later, a neighbor's security camera picked up
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: sounds of a struggle, a barking dog, voices or a whimper,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and a loud thud. By 4.20 a.m., police said video
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: showed the car speeding away from the house. A surviving
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: housemate told police she saw a masked man with bushy
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: eyebrows making his way out through a rear sliding door.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger is being held without bail at the Latah County
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Jail on four counts of first-degree murder, and a burglary charge.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: He's due back in court on June 26th. Well, folks,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: what do you think? Do you think that the termination
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: letter that's making the rounds right now that the New
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: York Times reported on is actually legit? Or is it
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: more disinformation and more nonsense? Me personally, I think.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: That the letter is legit as far as how they
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: received it, where it came from.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not too sure about that, but it all tracks
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: with what we have heard previously. And NewsNation has been
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: catching a lot of crap lately from a lot of people,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: mainly over on like Reddit, where the posters are going
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: hard in the paint, talking about how they don't believe
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the NewsNation sources because there's a gag order on the case.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And it just makes me shake my head.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And honestly, it exposes the people who have not followed
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: along with things like this in the past. Gag order
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: or not, there's going to be leaks and there's going
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to be sources and there's going to be people close
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to the investigation who are talking to the media.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: That's just how it goes. Gag order or not.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: The difficult part is finding out which of those sources
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: are accurate and legit. And the only way that we
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: can do that is with time. We have to see
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: how things play out to see if these sources are
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: right or if they were just BSing us. So like usual,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: for me anyway, it's trust but verify with these sources.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: And the things that we can't verify, well, we just
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: can't verify. And we have to take with a grain
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: of salt. And that will continue to be the game
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: plan around these parts until the conclusion. Alright folks, that's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. All of the
• 44:45
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• 44:49
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