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Suzanne “Suz” Seymour · Aired Out

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  Speaker 1: Pleasure to have you with us this morning, and I
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  Speaker 1: hope you're doing well wherever you are. Susan Suze Seymour.
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  Speaker 1: Am I getting that right? Did I get that right?
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  Speaker 1: Did I just nail that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Suzanne Suze. I mean, it's the official ballot name, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Suzanne, all right. Can I call you Suze?
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  Speaker 2: Please call me Suze.
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  Speaker 1: How the hell are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad to have you in here. You just
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  Speaker 1: schlepped all the way from where now? Highgate?
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  Speaker 2: Basically the Canadian border, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming all the way down here. You
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  Speaker 1: are an independent from Highgate. You're also, this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be interesting this morning, a massage therapist and a comedian. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And you're running for Congress.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, that's unusual. That's, that's interesting. And I
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  Speaker 1: say this good for you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good for you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's time for real people to be
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  Speaker 2: represented here. Uh, in our elected officials that go to Washington,
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  Speaker 2: and why not me, you know?
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  Speaker 1: You... And listen, anyone who watches and listens to Aired
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  Speaker 1: Out knows this, that I don't really hang out a
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  Speaker 1: lot on politics. I generally, generally steer away from it. However...
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  Speaker 1: I always enjoy an interesting conversation, and I love getting
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  Speaker 1: to know people, no matter where they land on the
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  Speaker 1: political spectrum, which, what the hell is that anymore? Really?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, really?
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  Speaker 1: My God.
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  Speaker 2: People are all over the place with politics, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to bring some balance back to politics, and by
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  Speaker 2: being an independent, you can do that. You can be
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  Speaker 2: true to your own compass.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you still practicing masseuse?
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  Speaker 2: I am.
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  Speaker 1: I am. Are you still a practicing comedian? I am. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You have said that you use comedy to, to, to
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  Speaker 1: lighten up and to bring people together. Um, and that
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  Speaker 1: it's time to elect a comedian because quote, elected officials
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  Speaker 1: are just paid liars.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I did say something like that. Let's be clear.
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  Speaker 2: I did say that, um, We've been electing people who
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  Speaker 2: are actors, and they're just paid liars, you know. So
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  Speaker 2: now you could go there if you want about elected officials,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not exactly what I said.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. They're not all like that. We
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  Speaker 1: can't– Right. There's plenty of folks that feel that way, though.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: They hear the P word. They hear, you know, anyone
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  Speaker 1: that's running is– Suspect. Yeah, I think what I'm seeing
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  Speaker 1: and hearing more on social media more now than ever,
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  Speaker 1: and we're just, what, a couple of weeks from the
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  Speaker 1: primary here.
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  Speaker 2: 19 days, I'm not counting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't count, please.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the primary, it's the general.
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  Speaker 1: It's the general election. Yeah, yeah. That's what I meant
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  Speaker 1: to say. That, you know, that there's no... That hope
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  Speaker 1: is lost for a lot of people. Yeah. Why... Why bother,
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  Speaker 1: and I said this the other day, why bother wasting
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  Speaker 1: my time and, frankly, my gas getting in the car,
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  Speaker 1: driving to the polls? Why waste my time dropping my
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  Speaker 1: ballot in the mailbox? It's not going to make a difference,
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  Speaker 1: especially in this little state of Vermont. I'm hearing that
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I'm hearing that probably more than ever. There's
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  Speaker 1: lost hope, there's discouragement, and it's running rampant.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well.
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  Speaker 1: For many, not for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a multifaceted question.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with one, which is that, you know, your leaders,
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  Speaker 2: who you elect, should be people that inspire you, should
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  Speaker 2: be people that give you hope and have a clear direction.
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  Speaker 2: You know, most people like the idea of a leader,
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  Speaker 2: they like the idea of a boss, but whether you
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  Speaker 2: have a kind and... solid boss. That's the story, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's really the story. So if elected leaders were more
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  Speaker 2: people that you could support, get behind, and believe in,
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  Speaker 2: I think people would be more apt to want to vote.
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  Speaker 2: With that said, I'm very much, and I will propose
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  Speaker 2: this when I make it to Congress, is to make
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  Speaker 2: Election Day a federal holiday. Because people should be much
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  Speaker 2: more involved in the political process, not not uninvolved with
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  Speaker 2: the political process.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Um, I want to ask you about, uh, your
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  Speaker 1: big question, uh, which is, are you okay? And, and that's,
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  Speaker 1: that's like, that's big. That's a big, big, big question here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are you okay in what department, uh, medically, physically, mentally, uh, financially, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Are you happy?
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  Speaker 2: Psychologically? Spiritually? I mean, it goes on and on. I
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  Speaker 2: would say most people are not okay, and that is
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  Speaker 2: why we have this running theme in the campaign and
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  Speaker 2: why it's not just a rallying cry but also the
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  Speaker 2: website itself. People all over Vermont have been complaining or
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  Speaker 2: certainly articulating a lot of the fact that they're not okay.
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  Speaker 2: And this has been going on for decades. This is
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  Speaker 2: not just a recent phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: It flared up though during COVID, didn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It has flared up off and on throughout my life.
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  Speaker 2: And certainly being a massage therapist where people are telling
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  Speaker 2: you their most intimate feelings about certain things, people have
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  Speaker 2: been dissuaded, disillusioned, disappointed, dismayed about politicians in particular now
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  Speaker 2: for a long, long time. So- The apathy is real
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to people not wanting to get involved,
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  Speaker 2: not feeling that their voice is heard. I want to
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  Speaker 2: let people in Vermont know that your voice is heard.
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  Speaker 1: I hear you.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why... a very simple massage therapist who's also
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  Speaker 2: a stand-up comedian and a host of other things, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is willing to step into the arena and start boxing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because this is not a time for apathy.
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  Speaker 2: This is a time to let your voice be heard
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  Speaker 2: and heard strongly.
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  Speaker 1: Do you bring, you're still doing stand-up comedy.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: Are you bringing politics into your stand-up routine?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting is, you know, I had stepped away
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  Speaker 2: from comedy after my car accident, which I'm sure we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into at some point. And, you know, I've spent
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  Speaker 2: the last few years really healing. After hitting the windshield,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the jokes didn't really land the way I
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  Speaker 2: wanted them to. I couldn't remember my jokes for a while.
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  Speaker 2: So the last four years have been really about healing
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  Speaker 2: my body and, you know, getting that one-two punch back
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  Speaker 2: to go back on stage. Certainly running for office has
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  Speaker 2: given me even more material. I think, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to write a show. I'm starting to write a
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  Speaker 2: show right now called, you know, Politics for Dummies. You know,
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  Speaker 2: my foray into the political arena filled with all sorts
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  Speaker 2: of comedic incidents already.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you've got a lot of Friends
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  Speaker 1: in that circle that are supporting you and cheering you on.
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  Speaker 2: The comedic circle?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, the massage therapy world, the clients within Chittenden County themselves.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they always say you have to win Chittenden County.
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  Speaker 2: And I say, well, you know, I never talk politics
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  Speaker 2: with my people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I've certainly massaged about 5,000 of them, so I
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  Speaker 2: think I've got a good shot.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So let's... Let's throw some gas on the fire.
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  Speaker 1: Short gray hair, purple streak, got to be a lesbian.
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  Speaker 2: Ding, ding, hit the bell.
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  Speaker 1: Got to be a left-winged wacko.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I take a little umbrage there with the wackadoodle,
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  Speaker 2: but I would say I don't lean one way or
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  Speaker 2: the other. I'm actually used to be. quite liberal, actually,
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  Speaker 2: quite liberal. And when I use the word liberal, I
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  Speaker 2: think that you're open-minded. You're open-hearted to certain situations. The
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  Speaker 2: word liberal has become a little bit of a dirty
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  Speaker 2: word more recently. And for whatever reason, people are starting
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  Speaker 2: to dye their hair purple. who vote a certain political way. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Has that helped you or hurt you?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know yet. We're going to find out. I
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  Speaker 2: can only be myself. The purple hair has been with
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  Speaker 2: me since I was 19, and I had a real
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  Speaker 2: desire to feel a lot more like Joan Jett.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I had the safety pin in my left ear and
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  Speaker 2: punked out in college. So the purple hair... has been
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  Speaker 2: with me for a long time, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I knew I was going to run for politics in
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  Speaker 2: 2026 to predate my purple hair desire.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. You've had a little bit of stereotyping going on
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  Speaker 1: on your social media where people just don't even hear
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  Speaker 1: what you say. They see the purple streak in the hair,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, here's another purple-haired liberal telling us how
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  Speaker 1: to live.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's been happening a lot lately.
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  Speaker 1: Are you pushing back a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: I sure am. You know, I don't like to be
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  Speaker 2: stereotyped at all. But it's not just the purple hair.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, actually, the purple hair is getting me more
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  Speaker 2: clicks and views. It's actually catapulting me into stardom. So
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  Speaker 2: I should have done it months ago. With that said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if I didn't have the purple streak, I'd
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  Speaker 2: just be an old lady that they'd complain about that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, boomer. You don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: People have a way of putting you into a box.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: They'd like you to stay in that box.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's easier for them to navigate life. But
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  Speaker 2: people are not in boxes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you're a cat in a hat, then you live
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  Speaker 2: in one.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I'll tell you, in just eight years, the boxes
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  Speaker 1: that I've been put in, unbelievable. Right. People listen to
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  Speaker 1: you for 30 seconds and they got you in a box. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's incredible. Oh, he loves Trump. Oh, he hates Trump.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's by God, man. It's like.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, people should have a healthy perspective on politicians.
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  Speaker 2: You know, most politicians, I think, say whatever they have
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  Speaker 2: to say to get out of the situation in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I tend to speak right from the heart
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  Speaker 2: and I'm consistent. I've always been that way. I don't
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  Speaker 2: see any reason to change. I think people find it refreshing.
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  Speaker 2: when there's a genuine person standing before them that has
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  Speaker 2: bold ideas. And you can hear when someone's giving you
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  Speaker 2: a snow job. You can hear when someone is telling
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  Speaker 2: you the truth. So a lot of times I feel
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  Speaker 2: like people don't even remember what my policies are, but
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  Speaker 2: they know they liked me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But you also don't want things like your hair
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  Speaker 1: to get more... as you say, more attention than your
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  Speaker 1: policy positions.
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  Speaker 2: You don't, and I also don't want it to just
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  Speaker 2: be that I'm a stand-up comic that's just trying to
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  Speaker 2: write a new show. This is a very serious campaign. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you don't use humor
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  Speaker 2: to diffuse some of the hard questions, you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to get anywhere in this world. I think Congress could
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  Speaker 2: use a little bit more of humor. They need a
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  Speaker 2: sense of humor down there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, bringing any kind of healthy way to
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  Speaker 2: handle situations is a great way to think about running
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  Speaker 2: for office.
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  Speaker 1: You have, tell me about this, October 20th at the
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  Speaker 1: CCTV studio in Burlington?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about this.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be my first debate. You know, there
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  Speaker 2: was a debate last week. held with Vermont Public and
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  Speaker 2: a debate this evening actually on CAX, which I was
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  Speaker 2: not invited to. They have their rules on how one
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  Speaker 2: is chosen to be in the sacred seat to be heard.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and Vermont used to be different, right? It
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  Speaker 2: used to have like six or eight people on stage.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that that was the old days when,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you got to hear from all the candidates,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what their ideas were. I kind of wish
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  Speaker 2: it was like that again, but it's not this year.
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  Speaker 2: Do they not want me up there with the primary candidates?
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  Speaker 2: I would say it does feel that way. So the
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  Speaker 2: 20th is.
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  Speaker 1: And the other three independents.
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  Speaker 2: Pardon?
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  Speaker 1: And the other three independents.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct. There was one independent on stage for Vermont Public.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, so the Town TV in Burlington is hosting
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  Speaker 2: a debate. As far as I know, there will be
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  Speaker 2: at least... four of us at that debate, and I
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  Speaker 2: think one person is still undecided.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. 5.25 p.m. on October 20th, again, on the CCTV
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  Speaker 1: in Burlington. We'll get a link up on that, too,
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  Speaker 1: so that folks can watch it. Sure. This will be
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  Speaker 1: your first debate?
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  Speaker 2: My first public debate, yeah. I mean, at least for politics, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you're going to be up on... So there's six
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  Speaker 1: names total for the November 3rd ballot. Ballot, Malloy, yourself, Ortiz, Altair,
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  Speaker 1: and Walton.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also a Unity Party write-in, I think. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. And Chris Erickson is a write-in, too. So...
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Are you nervous?
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I'm nervous. When you are speaking from
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  Speaker 2: your heart, there's only so much on the issues that
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  Speaker 2: you can prepare for. I have always read and studied
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  Speaker 2: and listened to politics, so I'm not going into it
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  Speaker 2: having to learn everything. On the other hand, when you're
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  Speaker 2: running for a federal office, there's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: I haven't really perhaps, that needs to be explained when
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  Speaker 2: you're in a debate. So I am kind of brushing
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  Speaker 2: up a little bit on certain issues. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: So it was July that you decided to do this?
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  Speaker 2: I jumped in June 1st.
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  Speaker 1: June 1st. What made you say, got to be Congress?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it all started when someone mentioned to me that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, said to this person, this person
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  Speaker 2: said to me, you know, don't you think she should
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  Speaker 2: have been challenged? And I said, yes, I think everybody
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  Speaker 2: should have a challenger. It makes them a better candidate
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  Speaker 2: when someone steps in to challenge, regardless if it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter if they're incumbent, especially if they're the incumbent, somebody
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  Speaker 2: within her own party should have stepped up to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody who wants a job in five years, it would
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  Speaker 2: make them all better candidates.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, That was part of it, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I want to be a challenger that pushes
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  Speaker 2: issues to the forefront that are not going to be
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  Speaker 2: discussed unless I get in there and start talking about
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  Speaker 2: these things. So that's what I've been doing.
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  Speaker 1: Realistically, do you think that she'll get her third term?
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  Speaker 2: Realistically, it's looking good for her.
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  Speaker 1: She's got, what, a million bucks in the bank now.
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  Speaker 2: She's got a lot of money, and, you know, she
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  Speaker 2: probably thinks she doesn't have to work much at all.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to think that I at least made her
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  Speaker 2: think about working this year, and maybe next time around
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  Speaker 2: she'll be working even harder. But with that said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have not given up hope that my campaign is
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  Speaker 2: for the people and by the people. And as such,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if I gather... Garner, I should say, over 10%,
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  Speaker 2: over 5% actually of the vote this year, I will
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  Speaker 2: automatically be on the debate stage in the next term.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. What would you say to someone watching, listening right
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  Speaker 1: now that would think, look at J.D. She's got this
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  Speaker 1: purple-haired woman on, socialist.
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  Speaker 2: At least I know I am a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a socialist? No.
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  Speaker 2: I'm absolutely not a socialist.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think socialism is concerning? I do. I do.
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  Speaker 2: And we already have a lot of socialized things happening
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  Speaker 2: here in America right now. And they're the ones that
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  Speaker 2: are having the hardest times. Yeah. So we have socialized
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: medicine in some ways and education. And in all those situations,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: we're struggling.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: What? What are some of your policy positions? Let's go
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: through the list. I mean, listen, and we've had this
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: conversation on the air a whole lot. Affordability, there's an exodus,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: leaving Vermont. The folks that are in their 50s, 60s,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: 70s are stuck here. Can't get the hell out. Too late.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: They've missed the window. affordability is just killing Vermonters. The
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: school budgets aren't passing. Everything is expensive now. Everything's relative,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: but everything is up. So where are we cutting? What
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: do we need to spend more money on? What do
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: we need to spend less money on? So much contentious language.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody is hotwired right now. Everybody's got an opinion. And listen, Zeus,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you this. You know. Relationships,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: more than ever, are getting destroyed here. Families aren't talking
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to each other. Friends are breaking up with each other.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: People are posting. There's a lot of keyboard warriors posting
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: stuff up on, I didn't know that you felt that way.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, now we're in line at the checkout counter
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: next to people that we've spent most of our lives
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: with and know really well. We don't even look at
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: each other now because of what they posted on Facebook
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: last week. Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Well, like I've said many times, you know, America's running
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: on Duncan, but it's not running very well. Not running
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: well at all. And part of the platform that I'm
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: running on is it's like we're on the Titanic and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: we're about to hit an iceberg.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And, you know, we need a strong captain. be able
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: to turn the wheel real quick before we have the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: inevitable crash. So I would say that what we're seeing
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: is a breakdown of society for a lot of reasons.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to blame technology. It's easy for me
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to blame technology for that particular egregious thing that we're
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: watching right here. But it really comes down to what
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: are we devoted to? What are we dedicating our lives to?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Are we dedicating... Are we following this commitment to technology
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and those connections become the most important thing? Or are
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: we more concerned with connecting to something else, whether it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Mother Earth or God or family or country? To me,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the choices are starkly clear. You're either going to fall
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: into this camp over here with media, technology, and propaganda.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Most people are so lonely. This is what I see.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I see a country that is.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Suffering from a state of loneliness and despair. People are
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: looking for connections everywhere, and they're connecting with their technology.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: They're trying to connect with others, but it's a false god.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: It's a false promise. It's a false premise. Those are
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: not real connections at all. So I'm so old school
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that I believe in real connections, which is why I
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: got involved with comedy. In some ways, the campaign is
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: sort of a ministry. of sorts for me, because I
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: do believe in what I'm saying, that people need to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: reconnect with their communities, with their churches, with their families,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: with their children, and with their country. There's a responsibility
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to be involved as a citizen, an active citizen of
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a country. The fall of Rome happened and nobody seems
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: to know why, but they always say it's from decadence
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and that people got too full of themselves.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It's almost becoming popular to become anti-patriotic now.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which, if that's the case.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the hell that's all about. I mean,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. I've taken fire for being patriotic.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I have always proudly worn my Stars
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and Stripes shirt... my whole life, I said, you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I was just a young girl when the country turned
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: 200 and I had proud red, white, and blue stars
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and stripes pants and a hat. And I was all
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: about it in 1976. And I still wear those kinds
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of shirts proudly. And the fact that as we approach,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you know, as we came into our 250th year, people
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: were unsure about whether they should wear that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, Because I don't want to be
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: considered a right-winged wacko.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Right, but it shouldn't just be something that's put to
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: one side or the other, just like my purple hair.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to bridge that gap. I could have worn
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: my Stars and Stripes shirt today, but I don't think
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it looks as good against your red couch. Black is
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: always best for these situations. People need to.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Let's say this. We need to start with our young people.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: This is answering your question from before. We need to
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: start with the young people and teach a different way
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: of being. So because we're about to crash into that
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: iceberg and things are very difficult for older folks, they
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: should be protected. They should be taken care of and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: there are ways to do so. But when it comes
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to the future, we have to start with our young
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: people immediately. We have terrible scores for schools. We pay
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the most money For our kids, like $ 30, 000, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: we're getting poor results. And as I've said many times,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: if this was a small business, they'd be out of business.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So the department– I got a bell.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: You got a bell. Another one, two.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: We need a few more, I guess.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: We'll get three at least.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: If not, I'll come over there and ring it myself. So,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you know, kids need to be told– not told. Kids
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: need to be taught how to survive and thrive in
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: our world. It's not enough just to memorize the test
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: answers and then get out there someday and think you're
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: going to get a job. Really learning life skills, whether
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: it's effectively comprehending material, how to debate properly. And isn't
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: that the answer to what you said about people aren't
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: talking to each other in line at the supermarket? We've
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: gotten so divisive. that people can't debate anymore. They think
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: it's a fight. They think you're hurting, you're attacking them.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: But a debate is not that at all. You know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it's your position, my position, let's have a conversation, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: like a badminton game, it goes back and forth.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Sure. Boy, and we used to be able to do
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that well. But now it's like, there's so much, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that there's plenty that's good
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: about AI and technology, but there's plenty of bad, too.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And one of those things is that we're all so
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: vulnerable from the sense of getting caught up in our
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: own algorithm to the point where we can't get out
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of it. We're so... consumed by it and the voices
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: in our heads where we can't okay I'll listen to
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you but I can't possibly understand where you're coming from
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: because my I can't listen well consume is a great
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: word there's a difference between hearing and listening and I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: can't I'm hearing you but I'm not listening to you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and I can't I can't find any common ground.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Consume is a great word If you think about the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: food we consume, the media we consume, whatever is coming
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: through our eyes is part of our visual diet. We
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: are simple creatures that respond to what we intake and digest.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: We're biased.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: That's one way to look at it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: But we are what we eat. We are what we think.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: We are what we listen to. So I try to
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: listen to inspirational things just as much as I listen
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to the news. I actually stopped watching television when I
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: was 30 years old, if you can believe this.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's usually when people start watching more television.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I guess. People go, what do you do? That's the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: number one question. Well, what do you do? Well, I mean,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I hike. I bicycle. I read. I go dancing. I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: started doing comedy. So, I mean, I'm not sitting in
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: front of the TV watching Netflix and chilling. You know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I think as soon as you get into that sort of,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you know, aspect of life, you know, it's not much
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: further before you're lying down completely, and I don't mean
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: on a couch.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Uh-oh.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: So, you know, when you think about, you know, watching
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: television regularly, you're basically ingesting that information. It's entertainment. It's entertainment.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: but it's becoming more than, it's a cellular programming. Um,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and that is a physical scientific thing.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Um, you just mentioned, um, bicycling. What's going on with
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the yellow trike?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I guess we're going to have to talk
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: about the car accident to get to that answer. Um,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: did have a big accident four years ago, which broke
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: 12 bones. A gentleman was, um, In my lane, coming
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: around a blind corner, there was no time to respond.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: 50 mile an hour head-on collision, both of us.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: What was he driving?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: He was driving a big roofing truck with a full
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: trailer of roofing debris. So I literally had seconds to respond,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and that's probably what saved my life, was just the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: last minute throwing of the wheel at the last second. Somehow,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: when we hit, I veered off. My car went like
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: 200 feet backwards and hit a tree. So I survived,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: and that's what I remember, is I couldn't believe I lived.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: But once I had survived, you know, I thought everything's
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: going to be different from here, you know. I didn't
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: even know I broke 12 ribs. I just knew that I,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: nine ribs, excuse me, I broke nine ribs. I broke
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: my femur in half, right arm, head injury from hitting
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the windshield, and a couple of leaky organs and a
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: few other small things. Most people would not survive the impact,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: much less the near-death experiences. I was so close to
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: death so many times. I won't get into the graphics.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: This was only how many years ago?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Four years ago, yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Four?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Four years, yeah. So with that said, I spent four
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: months in a wheelchair. So I really have a bird's-eye
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: view on what it's like to live the disabled life.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: It was tough.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: It was definitely much harder than I had ever given
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: any thought, like most people who are completely walking, how
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: important it is to have use of the handicapped bathroom,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to find a handicapped spot, even to step up an
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: inch into the restaurant on a step or something became
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: almost impossible and physically limiting what you could or couldn't do.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: So I went from wheelchair to walker to cane to staff,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like wooden staffs. like cross-country skiing almost, to learn how
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: to stand upright again, to learn how to walk again.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: So with that, I never thought I would bike again
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: because my leg wasn't bending. It's a whole bunch of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: hardware in here. I've got metal in my leg. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: two years in physical therapy and finally getting some movement
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: in my leg and being able to stand strong again.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: So I never thought I would actually physically be able
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to bike a two-wheeler again Because you lose so much
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of your core. It took three years, really, that I
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: could stand upright without canes or staffs. So I bought
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: an electric tricycle. This is the story. I bought an
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: electric tricycle to regain my core strength but also have support.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Thinking I'd never be able to bike up Vermont hills
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: or mountains again. So might as well use a little
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: electric assist. But it was actually frightening for me when
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I first got on the tricycle because it's like a machine.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And I didn't feel like I could control that very
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: well at the time. So this year, four years later,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: we started biking across Vermont with the electric tricycle. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not done, you know. I'm going to keep biking.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: This is the thing. I'm going to keep bicycling.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: You started this in September, right?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yes. Mm-hmm.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And it's getting cold. It's getting colder now, so maybe
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I'll go to snowmobiling across Vermont pretty soon. Snowshoeing across Vermont.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: How far have you made it?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm doing different towns, mostly in Franklin County. We
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: did take the tour into Burlington and Essex. So I've
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: done Montgomery, St. Albans, Sheldon. a little bit of Fairfield,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: you know, so it's not like a continuous, uh, like
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: long trail.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm still running for office. I still have to, to,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you know, show up for different events and, uh, get
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: home to my cat. But besides that, how.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Long will you continue to do that?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Were you, were you, you know, it's more about, um,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: it's also about me regaining my health. You know, this
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: is it. You know, I think that the healthcare system
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: is a big problem. Um, with the affordability crisis that
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: we have. And how do we get to a new place?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: How do we navigate a different way of taking care
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: of our bodies? So I'm going to be an example
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: by doing it myself. The health care system was there
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: for me with this kind of tragic accident. They did
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: put me back together just like Humpty Dumpty. But now
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the rest is up to me. The health care system
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't really give you any more than that. They're like,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: here's some plates and some screws. We'll see you when
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: we need to see you.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Take this pill.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I got off all that too, but it's more about,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you know, they said if you don't walk again, if
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: you don't walk properly from the very beginning, Suze, you're
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: going to be right back in here in a couple
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: years with a knee replacement and a couple hip replacements.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And since I've watched a majority of many older clients
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: of mine become uh, you know, the next, the next
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: surgery of, of knee and hip replacements. Um, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I think there's, there's gotta be a better way to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: do business when it comes to taking care of our bodies.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So I want to be that shining example, not just
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: for people who are trying to understand how to care
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: for themselves, but also for myself, you know, I'm, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: inspire myself every day. You kind of have to inspire yourself.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: So, um, do you, do you think the whole, um,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: The cost of medical insurance in Vermont is a cluster?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Is that a cluster something?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the cost of medical insurance is really crazy. Part
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of it is because people use it. That's part of
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the problem. So there are costs, the insurance companies... then
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: pass those costs on to us in forms of premiums.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And so the more we use it, the more expensive
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: it is. Sort of like car insurance. Once you start
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: having accidents, you're paying through the roof to continue having
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: that car insurance. So how do we get to a
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: system where we don't actually use the system? And so
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: being a massage therapist, I've spent much of my adult
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: life actually not having health insurance as a small business owner.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you just don't have it. And I used to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: always say to people, because I get a massage every week.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I've paid for a massage every week since I was
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: 29 years old.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And folks will always say, well, I can't afford that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I couldn't possibly afford that. And I'd say, well, I
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: can't afford not to because I want to be an
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: old lady who's moving and grooving. Sure. Blue Cross Blue
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Shield isn't going to necessarily take care of you unless
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you have a cold or you have cancer. And short
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: of that, you have to take care of yourself.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Blue Cross Blue Shield's been upside down for quite a
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: while now. They're hurting real bad.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: It's a real problem for the, you know, we only
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: have the two health insurances here in Vermont right now
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to choose from.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And Vermonters are very much not happy with MVP?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yes. I'll add my name to the list. they're on
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the list for me to call today because there's yet
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: another problem. But, you know, one of the things I
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: think that we have to think about is, which goes
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: back to our kids, the health insurance affordability, is we
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: start teaching our kids from a young age how to
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: care for their bodies. You know, that we have to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: go to a preventative system. Our health care system today
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: is not even health care. It's really disease care. So
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: how do you get people healthy? before, so they never
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: get sick. Well, that's where preventative things come in like
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: massage and acupuncture but also exercise exercise discipline of the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: mind eating right you know japan does it right.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: They really do yes they do i get a bell
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you're spot on uh you really are yeah i know
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And it's not just Japan. True. It's India.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: It's many countries.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: It's many countries.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: So a lot of it is our food.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Mind, body. Mind, body.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Mind, body. Yeah, all of it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: But still, I mean, this is a cluster. I mean,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: this is like, Vermont is not the place to get your... Sick. Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Your medical needs met.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Have a business.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Unless you've got a real thick wallet.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Right, and that's not really most of Vermont.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: No. Affordability, let's go there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's, in Exodus, leaving Vermont, do you
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: think there's a higher percentage than ever of kids who
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: are graduating high school and saying, nope, not UVM. I'm
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: getting the hell out of here. But mom and dad,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: don't worry. I'll come back and visit for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: But I'm not putting roots here.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: It sure feels that way. As a young Vermonter that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: had to leave myself when I was 24, I totally
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: understand what that felt like. There was no jobs in
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the 80s, and I had to find my way with
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Domino's Pizza, of all things, and franchised with them throughout
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: New England. Um, so, but all I could think about
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: was I needed to return home. I wanted to return home.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So I think there is that sense that people are
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: seemingly leaving or wanting to leave in a way that
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: feels really heightened to me right now. Um, and you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: what can we do about that? Well, we know there
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: has to be some kind of job here. We have
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: to produce something. Uh, all the manufacturing jobs have died up.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Even the little ones we had growing up, like in
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: woodworking or manufacturing of furniture, are disappeared. So, you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I think we need to return to some of those
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: crafts or offer different kinds of things that haven't been
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: tried yet. You know, I have two ideas, if you'd
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: like to hear them, which no one else is talking about.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: And one of them is, you know, this mental health
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: crisis that's going on in our world. I feel like
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Vermont has opportunity now to become a rehabilitation site for
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: drug treatment, and for mental health issues by offering that
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: kind of sanctuary because we have the beautiful vistas, we
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: have the mountains, we have the loving people that will
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: help people. We know people heal better in natural environments.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: So in the old days, they used to wheel people
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: out of the sanatoriums into the forest. They would just
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: look into the vista. We need to have something like that.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So it's one thing. where we would use, you know,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: like wellness for these retreats, retreat rehabs. I think we
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: should find the money for that because otherwise the other
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: side of the coin is we're paying for it down
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the road in a different way with our young people,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the homelessness, the drug addictions. We're paying for that already.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So why not invest in something that would assist the
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: problem right now? It's bleeding us dry. Number two, this
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: is kind of funny, but it seems like it would work.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, why don't we have a reality
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: TV show here called Survivor Vermont? In fact.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Can I host it?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I think you should. I think you should. You know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Vermont has beautiful vistas. We have, like, beautiful, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: we have wonderful barns and food, organic food. We have challenging,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: rugged wilderness. I think it's all four elements here, you know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: all four seasons.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Are the shitty roads part of the rugged wilderness? Oh,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: That's the fifth season.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: You know that. So, I mean, can you imagine somebody
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: trying to get through a mud bog that didn't know
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: how to, you know? We know who those people are.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: We've seen them in the back roads here.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And then you have to ask for help. But the
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: thing about... Wow. You have to ask the farmer to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: pull you out. But... Without your cell phone, right?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Because you moved up here.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Knock on the door.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Because you moved up here from Connecticut and you didn't
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: understand that you needed to get winter tires during the winter.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: All of that. The one thing about, just to thread this,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the one thing about this reality TV show is instead
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: of competing against one another in a cutthroat way, you'd
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: actually score points by working together and solving a problem
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: in a good way. So that's my basic premise, not
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: just for the show, but for politics in general, for
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: what's happening in Washington, and how we need to change
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: our world. We have to change our attitudes.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: There's a barn that's near my home that has, on
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the side of the barn, in huge white letters, painted,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Take Back Vermont. And when I passed this barn down,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Every single day. And there's part of me that wonders
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: how many Vermonters out there feel like we should maybe
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: resurrect that saying, that slogan, that sentiment in different ways now, obviously. Right, right.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Right, because that slogan was in reference to civil unions
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: back in the day.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Right. And what a hot button that was. It was.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And it's like, are you kidding me compared to what's
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: going on now?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. Right.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: That's nothing. Who doesn't want to take back Vermont now?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. I'm not going to blame it on
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: just the civil unions. You know what I mean? I
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: think that was an important civil right for many people.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: But the slogan itself has some credibility.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: The Vermont that I grew up in, the Vermont that
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I know and love, that many of us know and love,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: is gone, is missing, is sick. And we need to–
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's gone completely because I
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: don't believe that. I believe if there was– if there's
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: one thing I do believe is that we can return
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: to that kind of place again because it's sort of
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: like the Wizard of Oz. It's there. We just have
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: to follow the yellow brick road.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I just got a comment here, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I got to read this. We've got the full gamut
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: here of listeners of all demographics on this podcast. I mean,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I got a guy listening right now who's in his 60s,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: who's just had both legs amputated, dealing with the medical
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: system here in Vermont. I also have a young lady
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: who listens every morning. And this is unusual. She says,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: if all the young people leave, there won't be anyone
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to fight for us. That's one of the reasons I
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: refuse to leave. Vermont is my home. It's been my
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: parents' home and their parents' home. There's got to be
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a way to keep Vermont livable for us young people
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: as it was for past generations.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who's going to disagree with that? I
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: do think people should stay and fight, but it's becoming
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: increasingly difficult for them to be able to think about
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: having the American dream and setting up shop here. You know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: whether it's having a business here, having a home here.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: You know, most people want their autonomy. They want their independence.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: They don't want to live with their family forever. You know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: who does?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: You know, we're never going to figure all of this out.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Every state has their problems. Yeah. But it just seems like...
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And we got a lot of great things that are
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: going on here in Vermont. A lot of great things.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And the beauty of this state is primarily one of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: our big things. Tourism is huge. But man, it's like
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: if we're going to graduate from high school, beyond that,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: we need to have a five-year plan, hopefully, that involves
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: staying in Vermont. We need our trades. We need kids to...
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: either work for a great business or a company that
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: can grow, or they maybe want to start their own,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: this state needs to get back to being small business friendly,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: which I very much feel that it's not. Who can
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: afford payroll taxes now? Who can afford insurance, rent? I mean,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the list goes on and on, and taking care of
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: your employees. But People need to get their own businesses started.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: They need to plant some roots, have some kids, buy
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: a home, find a home, find an affordable home. The
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: only things that people, it seems like more and more
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Vermonters can only afford to sell their homes for top
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: dollar and get the hell out of here and buy
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: something down south that's five times better Frat. less than
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: what they sold for. Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Well, interestingly enough, you know, Vermont wasn't really a tourist
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: destination when I was growing up. The ski areas were
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: just being developed.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Seventies.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: That's correct. There were actual industries here. And then, you know,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of people blame Act 250 for, or Act
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: 181 now for some of the problems with development of
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: our state. But I would say in respect to what's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: happening is that we are top-heavy in government jobs and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: top-heavy in nonprofits that set up shop here. 50% of
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: our workforce is those kinds of jobs. So I would
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: say starting in school, we should be teaching to trades.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: as part of our living experience. You know, I always say,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: you know, a boy who knows how to cook and
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: a girl who knows how to use a chainsaw are
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: going to be helpful occupationary tools in our world, you know.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Nobody can disagree with that. So why aren't we teaching
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: those kinds of things? I have never used trigonometry or
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: calculus since I graduated high school, you know. The years
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: of my life wasted, you know. On the other hand,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: when it comes to homes, I couldn't afford a home
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: in the 80s. I couldn't afford a home until I
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: was almost 40 years old. And as a single woman,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the bank didn't even want to give it to me,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: even though I was putting 20% down. There were all
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: sorts of archaic rules about getting loans for me. So
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: where there's a will, there's a way. And I found
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: my way through life. And I think a lot of
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: people need to find their way through life. This is
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: a difficult time. to be living in Vermont. But I
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: agree with the person who wrote in that we do
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: need to stay and put our foot down, put our
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: boots on, and get ready for really standing tall and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: speaking up. Our elected leaders are supposed to listen to us.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: They work for us. And we need a voice that's
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: going to be loud and clear and resonating, which is me.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: And that is why I'm in the race. I'm speaking
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: up for Vermonters. We don't really have real representation in Washington,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: and I'd like to be that voice. And I'm not
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: going to stop, no matter what happens November 3rd.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Wow. Will you keep that bicycle wheel moving so that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: you're connecting with people?
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. That's like my Fred Tuttle feeling, for people who
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: don't know Fred Tuttle, a person who, just a regular
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: guy that started talking to real Vermonters. on the fly
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: and gained in popularity. They made a little movie about him,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: a little mockumentary. Man with a plan. Man with a plan,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: that's right. Long, long time ago. But I'm like the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: 2026 female version of Fred Tuttle. And I think that
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: more and more Vermonters need to start talking to each other.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: That's the only way to solve these crises is if
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: we talk to each other, understand each other, or at
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: least try to understand each other. And the same is
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: true even of living out of state and people who
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: live in state. I lived out of state for almost
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: 30 years, sadly, but never wanted to settle anywhere else
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: but Vermont, so it took me a long time to
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: come back. I'm back now with a vengeance, and it's
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: good that I left the state because it gave me
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: perspective on how difficult it is to live out there,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and those people are also struggling, and that's why they
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: want to live up here to find their peace and solitude. But,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: you know, there needs to be an understanding, I think,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: from people who are from out of state that they
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: need to assimilate with the people here, not talk so loud,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: not talk so fast, and slow it down.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Not think that you know better.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Not think you, yeah, not think you.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: You, the.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: The swami of information, yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to move up to Vermont and fix all
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: their problems.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Fix all their problems. Right.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Vermonters don't like a hell of a lot of change.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: We like to drive our old trucks for a reason.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: On the back roads. We like to wear our old
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: boots with holes in them for a reason. We're familiar
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: with it. We're comfortable with it. Don't change it.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly don't judge it.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Or judge it.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: But those kinds of conversations should be what is in
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the public forums. You know, I'd love to see a
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: debate between a new Vermonter and an old Vermonter and
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: people having those chats just like we are expressing that
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: information because I think a lot of people from other places,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: they don't understand what they're doing wrong. They don't know
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that they are very noticeably out of place. You know,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: they're the square in the round hole, square peg in
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: a round hole. They don't know why. So I was like, wow,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: look at the shoes you're wearing. Look at the fact
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that you don't have a hat and scarf on right
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: now and it's three below. So they're not familiar with
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: our customs. And so there needs to be those kind
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: of conversations too because a lot of people are moving
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: from other places into Vermont. I think a lot of
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Vermonters are just hoping they'll leave, but that has not
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: worked out so well. We need that money as well.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: There is some income in the tourism.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at it. Skiing, snowmobiling, hospitality. The list goes on.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: This is the go-to state to come up and enjoy.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: And it's a quick skip from Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, whatever.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Do you think folks with second homes up here should
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: be at a different tax rate?
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not into big taxes anymore. I think
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to tax people more than they should
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: be taxed. I do understand why people want that to happen.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think we should have big taxes. I think
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: we should be looking for ways to reduce the amount
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: of taxes and also we should just be reducing our spending.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: We never talk about that. Why are we always saying
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: let's get more taxes on the rich people? As somebody
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: who didn't live here for 30 years almost, and I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: had a home in Vermont. I was taxed on the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: second home, even though it was my only home. I
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: was just working in Massachusetts at the time. So I
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: didn't like it because I'm a native Vermonter. I'm paying
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: these double taxes and, you know, wasn't up here very often.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: It did feel unfair. So, and the same is true.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I got a family cabin on a pond. It's been
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: in our family since 1970 and, Again, I couldn't claim
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: it as my primary residence. We're paying through the roof
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: on a cabin that we only use a few weeks
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: in summer. So I prefer to think about a world
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: where there are less taxes. We curb spending. We need
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: to have more audits that look into where the money
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: is going. It seems like we have plenty of money.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: We just don't spend it appropriately.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: You think big money should get out of politics?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Is that one of your planks?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: What about term limits?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. No question. And I have said right along that
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I think if I'm elected, when I'm elected, I'm only
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: going to do two terms because I think very much
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that you should have the same as a president. You
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: should only be in for two terms and then move
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: it on to somebody else because those fresh ideas and
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: that bog that becomes Washington, the swamp is real because
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: it's not getting enough fresh water flowing into on the
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: regular yeah you know we don't really need people in
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: there we shouldn't have politics as a career that's one
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: of the biggest problems.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Very very much oh man the comments here around uh
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: dave says around 552 state employees live outside of vermont
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: is that it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: 552 is that all.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: And i haven't vetted this but that's what dave is
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: saying um Stacey says, even bigger businesses are leaving or
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: have left. I'm thinking of Bombardier. Case in point, H.P. Hood.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I spent over 20 years of my life there, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I know the challenges that management had to deal with.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Tight margins, utility costs. I would order 5,000 gallons of No.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: 2 heating oil to run our boilers that ran 24-7.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: That is a call. that I'm glad I don't have
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to make. $ 35, 000 Green Mountain Power bill monthly. That's a
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: lot of milk money, says Stacey. Dave says the state
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: of Vermont employs approximately 8,000 executive branch state workers, while
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the Vermont State Employees Association Union represents nearly 6,000 state employees.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of comments here. You've got some homework, Suze.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's great. I love comments. And by the way,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know everything. I just know almost everything. I
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: should say, I'm not always right. I'm just almost always right.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: With that said, I think state employees is one thing,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: but then you get your teachers' unions. You've got doctorates.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: of Transportation. You know, there's a lot more going on,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I think, for state employees.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: What about, and I hate to open this can of worms. Oh, gosh.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: But education. I love it. Another cluster, I think.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: It's a problem.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: It's a cluster.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: It's a big, big problem. You know, I looked at, like,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: it costs approximately, was it $ 19, 000 or $ 20, 000 to send
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: your child to the Waldorf School or to the Montessori School,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: and they produce a premium product with $ 30, 000 for the
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: public school, and you're getting the C-minus burger there, you know?
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: So I personally think the Department of Education needs a
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: complete revamp and maybe not even being in existence any
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: longer because teachers' unions... have taken over the political landscape
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: for a lot of things. And, you know, there's also
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: that huge cost for health insurance. It's part of the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: school systems now, where teachers have like premium plans. And
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not busting on the teachers, I think they're doing
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: a great job in many ways. They're dealing with things
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: that are mandated for them to deal with. They're policemen,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: they're special educating, you know, they have to deal with
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of problems. So I don't want to throw
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: on the teachers per se. But I think teachers unions
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: are a conglomerate that sort of, you know, the group
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: think for a lot of people who work here within
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Vermont and they feel obligated to stay into the union.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's mandatory to be in union. And that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: affects our taxes. And we're getting a bad product. So
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: what I would say is, you know, something needs to
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: be done And the way we're going is the wrong way.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: We have to turn around, figure out how we got
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: where we were, turn around and start over again.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel that Janu and Phil Scott have had real, true,
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  Speaker 1: ample interactions with real Vermonters who are literally right now saying,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to freeze this winter. My pipes are going
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: to freeze. I literally do not have the resources to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: fill my 250-gallon oil tank. I don't have it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think money should be allocated in a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: different way. I can tell you what I hear. I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: hear people say that I heard from one of the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: festivals I was at, somebody who worked for a propane
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: company and said that they filled it up and these
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: people were not necessarily from, these people were not from Vermont.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: They filled up the tank and then it was empty
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: in a week. And so they said they reported it
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: because obviously the people who were living at this residence
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: were not native Vermonters and that they had siphoned off
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: the tank and sold it to their neighbors or whatever,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: and they, maybe it was oil, actually, and they reported
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: it to the agency that gives the free money for
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: oil for the heating program, and they were told to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: basically be quiet. So, you know, I'm hearing that. So
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: there are real Vermonters struggling who are angry and perplexed
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: at how we're taking care of other people who are
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: not real Vermonters. I'm trying to couch this.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: In the next way. No, you're nailing it. This is, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing a great job.
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  Speaker 2: Because that is my concern. My concern is our people.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: And I love all people, don't get me wrong. But
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I do think that we've got our priorities a little
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: messed up when we're taking care of people who either
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: are not here legally and they get the free credit card,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: the free apartment, the free college education, while real Vermonters
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: who have worked here their whole lives are struggling and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: have something to say about it.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just a comment here from a listener who lives
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: alone in his 70s right here. Says, how can people
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: on a fixed income possibly keep up with the rate
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of inflation? It's definitely going to be a cold winter. And,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday we had the stats come in about inflation.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said here. There's a lot
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: to be said here.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? I think about during times of war.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: 3.7% for the year. Sorry.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: That's right. There have been times in our country's history
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: where we have struggled and we've had to find ways
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: to survive. And people have been asked to sacrifice. And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: they have. And they've done it willingly because it was
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: for a worthy cause. I think in today's world, people
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: are not thinking this is a worthy cause, so they're
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: angry about it. Or if it was a worthy endeavor,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: perhaps you would understand, time to put on an extra sweater.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: It is what it is.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is another time, I think, when.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: You can either rely on government more, which is socialism,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: or you can rely on government less and you have
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: more community involvement, which is really where I land. And
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: what does that look like? Well, we're very disconnected from
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: our neighbors. We're disconnected from our community groups, whether it's
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: churches or granges, and we need to find ways to
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: reconnect again so we can help each other out. I mean,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: that is the American way.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that includes, hey, Let's double check on this
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: elderly neighbor or this person in our community that's had
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: a car accident and has a bunch of wood that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: needs to be split and stacked.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great job. Just waiting to be
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: organized by somebody is, you know, helpyourneighbor.com, you know, and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: we can find a way to put requests in and,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: you know, help each other out. Just coming up with
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: that on the fly here. But people are always concerned
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: about the legalities of everything. What happens if this happens?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I don't trust this person to come here because I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: don't know them. Well, part of the Vermont way that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: I remember and I believe in is that we have
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: to learn to trust each other. We have to learn
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: to believe in each other again. You have to be
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the change that you say you want it to be.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: So that's why I'm out in the front right now
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: saying these things because I want to have change. And
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: to do that, I have to put myself right in
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: front of the crowd.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Tell me about, to wrap up this morning, again, Seuss Seymour,
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  Speaker 1: independent candidate for U.S. Congress. What's this, are you okay?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Tell me about this.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Are you okay, the letters, Vermont, are you okay, VT,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: is our website.com. I said that five different ways.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I got it.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: It's like an anagram puzzle. But it starts because it's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: kind of a family joke. But even before I got
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: started in my campaign, it was like a little song
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: with my nephew. And he was saying, are you okay?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: And they made it into an AI song. And the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: AI turned it into a political song. And so the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: theme was, are you okay if you're not? Vote for
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: little John. And so when I decided to run for office,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: that was the line that kept coming through my mind. Well,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: this is perfect because Vermonters are not okay. I'm not okay.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And I have lots of reasons to feel like I am,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I should, I'm great. You know, I survived a car accident. I'm, I'm,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I own my own home. I have nothing to worry about,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: you know, and I have a fuel within me that
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: is burning hard and proud for Vermont. So I'm like,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: more okay than most people. And that makes me just
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: want to pick up my proverbial sword and charge forward
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: for Vermonters who are not okay because you need somebody
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: who's feeling just a little bit better than you to
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: do that, to lead that charge. So that is my mission.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: That is my goal. No matter what happens on November 3rd,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: as I said, I'm going to continue talking because these
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: issues aren't going to go away with the next election
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: or the next leader. that we have to have something
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: to fortify ourselves to really make these changes.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: You say our state and our country deserve leaders who
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: put people before politics. That seems like you hang your
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: hat on that more than anything.
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  Speaker 2: I do. You know, I love this state. I love
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: it so much. I couldn't wait to come back. I
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: just wanted to retire and be an old lady living
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: in my dreams here in Vermont like most people dream of.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And I've worked my whole life very, very hard to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: get to this place. So when I finally got home,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: and now we're faced with these kind of really big challenges.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: We're climbing up a steep cliff. It's like Jay Peak
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: on its edge. But we need people who are willing
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: to speak up for Vermont. And I appreciate the... person
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: who wrote in and said, let's not leave, let's stay
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: and fight. I think that's important.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Young girl. Yes. 20s.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Well, her parents probably brought her up well, or she
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: had a good teacher that infused that in her. So
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: we need to re-educate our school system so they are
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: giving kids the opportunity to thrive, not just survive, fix
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: this burgeoning health care system so that we are healthy
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: and we don't really need to use it, develop new
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: tools and occupations that are good for our people, and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: get our people off of drugs. That's really it. Solve
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: this mental health crisis and return to communities and connection.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: That's my plan in a nutshell.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing how everything is relatable, though? You've got
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: mental health. You've got substance use. You've got affordability. You've got,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a close relationship with all of this.
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  Speaker 2: They're all related.
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  Speaker 1: We've got, and, you know, then throw in the fact
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: that we have some real infrastructure problems here. We've got
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: some real affordability problems. We've got a housing crisis going on. Yeah.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Well, again, either you.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Medical insurance, taxes, property taxes, Act 181. What a cluster. Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: And you know what? This is why civic engagement is required.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an intelligent woman, but I could not probably write
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: out the Constitution for you or any of the articles
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't taught in our schooling system. So if
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: you don't understand your rights and you don't know what
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the country is built upon, then you cannot proceed forward.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: There's a reason why there's a million lawyers writing these
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: rules that are in Congress. It needs to return to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: the people. And just like in the book, Horton Hears
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: the Who, we're here, we're here, we're here, has to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: be stronger and louder with every day.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think, got to talk to you all day,
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  Speaker 1: do you think there's four parties now? Crazy right, right, left,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: crazy left?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I don't. I think that's a very visual, that's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: a good visual. I said crazy on both sides. There
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: is crazy on both sides, no question. But I actually
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: think there are so many people in the middle, and
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: I have found those people. I have found that when
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I tell them I'm a politician, they take two steps backwards.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I tell them I'm a stand-up comedy person, they take
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: two steps forward. There is a middle ground. There's a
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: real middle ground that people are thirsty for. They're hungry
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: for it. They want somebody who's reasonable, who talks common sense,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: who's not just giving a bunch of BS and platitudes.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: They want real solutions. They want bold ideas. They want
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: the ship to be turned away from the iceberg, and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: they don't want to wait. We are rearranging the deck
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: chairs on the Titanic, and I'm like, let's just steer
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: the ship away so we don't have to pull out
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: the lifeboats.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Wow. What's next for you? Again, October 20th, I think,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: is what I was saying earlier.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: The debates, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Your Politics Unusual campaign is rolling on October 20th at 5.25 p.m.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: CCTV in Burlington. It'll be streamed online. I'm going to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: get the link. We'll get it up. We'll put it
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: on the Aired Out page so people can see you.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: You're going to be chatting with the other three independents, right?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, although the Republican challenger has not said he will
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: or won't be there yet. And I think the writing
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: candidate will be there as well. So very interesting at
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: the very least. I'm also going to be in Bellows
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Falls next Tuesday, the 21st. I'm going to be doing,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: I guess it's next Wednesday, excuse me. I'll be doing
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: a TV show there. And then we're going to do
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: a meet and greet somewhere in the area. That'll be
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: on our website or our Facebook page. our social media.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I'm also in Milton this Friday, tomorrow, at the Arrowhead
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Lodge from 4 to 6.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do there?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: It's a sit-down with Suze, you know.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yes.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: So I talk to people. I meet people. They get
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: to ask the hard questions if they want, or you
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: get a selfie with Suze, you know.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a selfie with you right now.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: You are. Thank you.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Wait, where is this again tomorrow?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Arrowhead Lodge in Milton.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a sine wave coming up, I believe, on
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: the 25th, which is a Saturday in Rutland. I'm going
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: to go to as many different parts of Vermont as
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I can. We've got a bunch of stuff happening in
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Chittenden County as well. So all of that can be
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: found on our social media.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: You're on a blitz.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: It's the last three weeks, and it's just like when
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: you're in the great race. I looked a lot better
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: five months ago. I'm not getting a ton of sleep.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: This is part of it. Sure.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: You had to get up stupid early this morning.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: We're on, on, on. And it's a short-term race. So
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I pace myself a lot, but now we're at the end,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: and I'm in full gear. I'm racing to the finish line, basically.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: You're going to keep your hat in the mix if
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: you don't win?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: People keep asking me that. Let's just say this. I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: think that, as we discussed earlier, it's probably a very good,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: very likely chance the incumbent will keep her seat this year.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: With that said, I think this is the year people
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: need to vote for an independent and show the two-party
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: system that you're sick of it. You're sick of how
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: they manage politics, the big money that's involved in politics,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: and throw the lever for Suze and show people that
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: you are going to go straight purple this year. Damn.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: That's freaking awesome.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: And then we'll see what happens in two years.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I said this when– when i met you and i
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: mean this win or lose you're kicking.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Ass win or lose i'm winning you really are i mean.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I mean when i say you're kicking ass i mean
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: i'm talking about your health and everything look look where
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you've come in four years since this accident that's crazy
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: that's true your attitude is.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Spot on yeah well thank you um You know, I
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: just read my report card from my second grade teacher
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: and she wrote the same things about, you know, willing
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: to help others, you know, really easy to get along with,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: had comprehension skills that, you know, willing to teach other
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: people and cared about the other kids. My mother liked
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: that too when she read it. She's like, look, you
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: were the same. Hi, mom. With that said, you know,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: I think there are certain times in your life when
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: leaders appear They just appear. I never thought I would
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: be a politician. Yeah. I didn't have any aspirations to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: be a politician. It seems like one of the worst
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: jobs in the world. You know, I'd rather be a magician,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: You know, pull this out of my hat. Because I
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: am kind of a magician. I'm a magician for what
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: is good. What needs to happen in our world.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Great stuff, Seuss. Absolute pleasure meeting you. Thank you. Before
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I forget, big kudos to Vinny. If it wasn't for Vinny,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have met you. So
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Vinny connected us, and there's another guy that's kicking ass. Yeah.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I have to say, Vincent, I can't pronounce his
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: last name.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Arbusio.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Arbusio, yes. I've spoken to him on the phone. He's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: got a personal story about losing his son to drugs.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: And actually, I'm going to continue working with Vinny when
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: this election is over because his cause is pure cancer.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: And we need to get involved with people who have
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: projects that have purpose, have meaning. For the people who
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: are feeling cold, lonely, and destitute, I would say please
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: get involved with your community with a project that you
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: believe in. Go back to a community gathering that you
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: believe in and feel a part of because we are
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: the ones that are going to change the world. We
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: are the only ones who can save this world and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: the world. That's my final message.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I hope you come back. I would love to have
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: you back in here.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I'd love to come back.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I have thoroughly enjoyed my conversation with you.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I really have. You're so interesting. You have some great, great,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: great thoughts. Go ahead.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: It's so interesting that I have a media blackout on me.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: That's one thing I do want to bring up is
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: thank you for the time to be on your show.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: You know, the censorship feels real in that I'm not
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: covered at all when I have all the elements of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: a very interesting story from, you know, being disabled, the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: massage therapist, the stand-up comedian. You know, I never talk
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: about my sexuality, but it's prudent in this case because
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: my incumbent is also of the same family. So, you know,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: we bring it up because it's part of the race, too.
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  Speaker 2: But with that said... You know, strong religious upbringing at school.
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  Speaker 1: Patriotic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not what you would normally see in the box,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on the tricycle around Vermont.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, fairly good looking. I just want to
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  Speaker 2: say that should be a story in and of itself.
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  Speaker 2: But yet nobody from the mainstream media has given me
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  Speaker 2: pause until like this very moment. So thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. You're welcome in here anytime. I love having conversations
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  Speaker 1: like this.
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  Speaker 2: We can continue. I did get that religion and philosophy
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: degree for a reason. Actually, I don't have a degree.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe at some point, me, you, and Vinny sit down,
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  Speaker 1: the three of us, and chew the fat.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be great. We have to solve these crises ourselves.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's it. I'm not counting on my political
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: leaders to solve my health problems. It's like I have
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  Speaker 2: to take charge of my body what i put in
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  Speaker 2: it and what i get up and do every day
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  Speaker 2: and the same is true with um you know solving
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  Speaker 2: these problems with the drug problems in vermont and beyond
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  Speaker 2: love to do.
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  Speaker 1: That we got your uh your link up on the
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  Speaker 1: comments here i'm sure we're going to get more stuff
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  Speaker 1: but uh seuss what a what an absolute pleasure it
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  Speaker 1: has been to have you in here thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for.
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  Speaker 2: Coming in thanks for having me we'll get you back in.
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  Speaker 1: Here real soon tomorrow morning Gee, it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a light in this place on fire. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be amazing as we kick off another weekend tomorrow morning
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  Speaker 1: right here. And the 20 stores in 20 days tour
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: rolls on here at Aired Out. We're off to another store.
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  Speaker 1: This will be day number four of 20 consecutive days
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  Speaker 1: that I'm visiting a different country store in our state
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  Speaker 1: to put them under the spotlight and show all the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: great things that they do. So buckle up around noon today.
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  Speaker 1: We'll take you there where you'll have to wait and see.
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  Speaker 1: We'll catch you then. Bye.