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Basket Case Is Pure 80s Horror Chaos - Xenomania 73 · Xenomania

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  Jon: This week on Xenomania, the tenant in room seven is very
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  small, very twisted, and very mad.
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  Join us as we travel to 1982 New York City for the story of a young man,
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  Dwayne, and his formerly conjoined twin brother, Bilal, as they seek revenge
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  on the doctors who separated them.
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  Along the way, we discuss wigs, padded credits, and the joys of
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  grimy, gritty New York City movies.
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  Also,
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  Does one of my co-hosts slash one of their favorite movies ever?
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  Find out now.
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  This is Basket Case.
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  This is Xenomania.
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  A-and
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  Ryan: Twin.
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  Kearns: I wish I had a conjoined tumor that was also murderous and named after
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  Jon: c-
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  Kearns: an, like, ancient Babylonian
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  Jon: could speak to me in my head?
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  Kearns: Oh, I forgot about the telepathy, by the way.
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  It-- Oh my God, you d- you're right.
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  We did just describe Danny DeVito.
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  Jon: We did.
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  Ryan: Dead.
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  Jon: So, so, so "Twins" is a, a "Basket Case" remake.
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  Kearns: Yes,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: so.
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  Yeah, like, it, it... they ripped off the idea, totally.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: Oh, 100%, but they did it like the horror version, and being
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  able to see it for the first time in its full length, 'cause I've
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  seen only pieces when I was a kid,
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  Jon: It's
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  Ryan: a good...
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  Kearns: Quinn's or a
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  Ryan: I've
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  Kearns: basket case?
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  Ryan: thing.
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  Basket Case I've only seen pieces.
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  I've seen it for the first time,
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  Jon: full
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  Ryan: in its full length tonight, and it was amazing.
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  It w- I, I liked it.
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  Kearns: an interesting way to word it, but yeah.
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  Y- yeah.
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  Ryan: Like, it's, it's amazing in the sense of a B movie.
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  Jon: of...
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  Ryan: of five.
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  Kearns: for a B movie, I'd say.
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  Ryan: Girthy?
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  Kearns: Yeah, a little girthy.
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  Ryan: Belial is girthy.
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  Kearns: It curves to the
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  Jon: Mm.
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  Kearns: But anyway,
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  Jon: I, uh, h- well, hold on.
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  I have a Bilal question before we get into anything any more serious.
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  Ryan: He's
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  Jon: Bilal lived in a basket, right?
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  Jon: Bilal eats.
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  We know he eats.
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  Kearns: Oh,
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  Jon: Where does Bilal poop?
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  Kearns: In the basket.
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  Jon: Does he just poop in the basket he lives in?
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  Kearns: basket.
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  Ryan: He...
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  Jon: Or do you think Duane has to take him out and hold him over
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  a toilet a couple times a day?
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  Ryan: I think he can get out himself.
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  He, I
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  Kearns: I mean,
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  Jon: I mean,
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  Kearns: We
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  Jon: he... Yeah, he,
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  Kearns: yeah.
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  Jon: he can get out of the basket for sure,
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  Kearns: I mean, I'm glad
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  Jon: but...
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  Kearns: they glazed over that part, to be honest with you.
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  I don't need to
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  Jon: Are you-- I don't...
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  Kearns: Belial.
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  Yeah,
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  Jon: I feel like I need to know.
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  Kearns: So everybody, by the way, we're doing "Basket Case" this week,
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  if you hadn't figured that out yet.
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  And, um, it is a...
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  When did, when did "Basket Case" come out, John?
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  Ryan: is.
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  It's,
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  Jon: 1982.
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  Kearns: Ooh, it, it's older than me, baby.
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  I like when that happens.
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  And this one I watched, I remember seeing as a kid, like Ryan said, in, you know,
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  bits and pieces, but then I sw- I watched it f- in its full glory also when I was a
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: on one of our B horror movie
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  Jon: Yeah, I would, I
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  Kearns: it's a...
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  Jon: would say teenage years, yeah.
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  Kearns: Yeah, like early teen, though.
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  We would, we, we were watching the cute stuff back then.
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  We were
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: the 13th Part II.
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  Can you guys handle it?" And it was like sixth grade.
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  And then we watched "Basket Case,"
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  Ryan: it's more gorier.
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  Um,
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  Kearns: and that's a little bit more grindhouse-y, I'd
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: effects are well done.
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  I even like the stop motion when he's,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: I was,
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  Kearns: It kinda makes the movie better.
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  Jon: Absolutely.
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  Kearns: yeah.
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  Jon: So one thing about Bilal, the scenes on the bed are full puppet
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  Kearns: Yeah, they got a
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  Jon: Like,
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  Ryan: that
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  Jon: they don't have a dude.
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  So here's the thing.
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  they made the mold, and they put it in an oven at Rick Baker's studio,
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  the, you know, renowned effects guy,
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  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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  Jon: it shrunk too much for any of the crew or cast to put their own hands in it.
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  So one of the crew member's daughter winds up, eight-year-old daughter winds
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  up puppeteering Bilal in that scene.
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  Kearns: That's wild.
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  Jon: Yeah, I have the, I have the name, and I can't find it right now, but...
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  Kearns: on her like she was a freaking falcon to get
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  Jon: No, she's j- she's under the bed.
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  She- they,
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  Kearns: it.
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  Jon: they talked to her in one of the making of featurettes on the
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  Arrow release of this, and she's like, "I had the greatest time.
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  Like,
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  Ryan: cool.
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  Jon: that I saw was, you know, corn syrup and fake, and I had a great time."
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  Kearns: That's cool.
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  That's a good take your daughter to work day right there.
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  Ryan: that's what it, it should be.
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  Like, creating a horror film should be fun.
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  it's like, it's unstable and scary on screen, but like behind the scenes,
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  gotta have fun.
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  You
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: at it, and,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: you do
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  Kearns: This one in p-
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  Ryan: you
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  Kearns: this type of horror movie in particular, I
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Ryan: yeah.
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  I mean,
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  Jon: it's such a small crew.
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  You know, one of the things I learned watching it this time, a lot of the
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  names in the credits are fake names because they made the credits, and they
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  were like, "It's just the same five names over and over and over again.
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  We need to..." They wanted to spice the credits up, so they just made up
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  some names and threw 'em in there too.
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  Kearns: if that's illegal or something.
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  Um, I
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  Jon: it is now.
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: it is now.
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  I bet there's, if not illegal, I bet there's, like, some union contractual
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  stuff with that that they can't do it.
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  But
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  Kearns: money laundering kind of prevention because you know
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  that there's, there's stuff going
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: that.
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  Yeah.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  But they, I mean, "Basket Case" is a $35,000 budget.
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  Kearns: Wow.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: That's a wild number.
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  That's a low... That might be the lowest budget we've done since
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  Jon: It's,
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  Kearns: show.
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  Jon: it's up there.
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  It's definitely, definitely in the top 10.
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  Ryan: Phantasm III, or I'm sorry, IV.
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  Jon: The "Phantasm" budgets were in, were low.
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  Um,
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  Kearns: Thought they were over, over
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  Jon: budget was really low.
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  Kearns: Hmm.
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  Ryan: I would say Battery.
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  Kearns: Let's see.
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  Ryan: the lowest maybe,
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  Jon: It could be, but I mean,
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  Ryan: it's
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  Jon: could be.
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  Ryan: I mean, especially with what they were able to get away with, but it's also
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: battery was
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: grand.
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  It's, it's definitely number one.
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  Jon: Yeah, it's gonna be hard to beat six grand.
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  Kearns: asked 10 friends for 600 bucks each.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: That's actually pretty baller
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  Jon: It, it's gonna be hard to beat six grand.
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  I think we talked about that when we did the episode too,
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  and I just don't remember it.
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  Ryan: Yeah,
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  Kearns: I thought Phantasm IV was 650 grand.
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  Jon: yeah, we've had a bunch in that range.
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  I think we've had a couple in the, in the tens of thousands before, like, you
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  know, in that 10,000 to 100,000 range.
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  I think we've done a couple of those.
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  Kearns: This is probably in the top three, Basket Case, 'cause
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  Jon: I would... Yeah, yeah, 35, 35K is low.
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  Kearns: mid-size car for 35 grand anymore.
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  Jon: It might've
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  Ryan: Night of the Living Dead less than Basket Case?
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  Jon: been.
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  Yeah, I, I'm blank.
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  I just--
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  Ryan: No,
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  Jon: We haven't done Night yet.
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  Kearns: I was like, "Am I losing my mind?"
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  Ryan: we're gonna do the second best, and that's Dawn.
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  Kearns: 114,000.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: Wow, what a, what a freaking flip with 30 million internationally.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  And, uh,
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  Ryan: Living Dead, that--
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  Jon: I mean,
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  Ryan: I overestimated.
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  Kearns: too, that's a bigger number now.
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  Jon: that,
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  Kearns: if you do that to 1982 numbers.
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  Jon: that, $30 million is probably also nowhere near an official
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  number with how much that... Because Romero didn't see a s- a, a lot of
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  that money for a really long time because they didn't have the rights.
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  Kearns: Yeah, it's so bizarre
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  Jon: Because he, he had... Yeah, they trademarked the previous titles, and
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  somehow when they sent the prints out, "Night of the Living Dead" did not have
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  that little TM stamp next to the title.
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  So it was just, that's why there's 10,000 copies of it going around.
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  I think it's really not until Criterion got their hands on it that,
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  Romero really got full control back.
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  And I'm not even sure he was around to enjoy it.
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  Ryan: No, they came out with it after his death.
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  They did
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  Jon: Yeah, I...
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  Ryan: release when he was
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: It was, like,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: but it was, it was the film, which was cool.
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  Jon: in, his lifetime, they had started to get some of the rights
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  and some of the money from it, but so many people made so much money.
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  And really, you can make the argument at the end of the day that that actually
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  helped "Night of the Living Dead" because
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: people could just pop it on wherever they wanted without paying for it.
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  So you could run it on TV for free.
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  You could show it in a movie theater for free.
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  I think that it probably helps "Night of the Living Dead" become what it is now.
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  Ryan: It was free advertising too for George Romero, 'cause you see Night of the
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  Kearns: cold
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  Ryan: and it's like, what else has he done?
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  Then you go to Dawn, you go to Day, you go through his
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: you
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: Creepshow, Martin.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: know,
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  Jon: But,
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  Ryan: so much.
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  Jon: but at the time, he needed some money . You know, he was, he... Yeah.
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  Ryan: Literally.
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  Jon: But- But back to, Creepshow.
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  I, um... Creepshow.
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  You put Creepshow.
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  Basket Case.
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  Back to Basket-
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  Kearns: snafu for you, John.
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  You're like
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  Jon: Yeah,
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  Kearns: rock, man.
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  Jon: he just, he just said Creepshow, and I'm thinking about Creepshow because
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  it's gonna come up again, and like the...
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  Kearns: is it now?
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: that, Ryan.
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  Ryan: top five or, uh,
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  Jon: Oh, I mean, you'll just have to wait and find out.
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  Kearns: of the episode
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  Jon: You'll just, you'll just have to find out.
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  Um, so d- neither of you are really old enough to remember this era of
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  Times Square and 42nd Street at all.
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  Ryan: No.
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  Jon: you don't, you probably never experienced it a- in
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  any way, shape, or form.
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  And I mean, Kearns, you would've been...
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  Kearns: was like 13 when I first hit Times Square without a parent.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So like,
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  Ryan: version.
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  Jon: You guys got, you guys got the, you guys got the, mainstream America.
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  Kearns: Well,
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  Jon: is n- this is now a, a, it's now a shopping mall.
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  Like I was, I was looking at a map of, of Times Square now, just looking at the
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  strips for something that we'll talk about in a couple minute, it's like Target.
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  It's Lids.
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  It's,
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  Kearns: Us and stuff.
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  Jon: yeah, it's, it's like it's every mall in America.
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: doesn't have that personality.
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  But Frank Henenlotter makes Basket Case as an ode to the movies that played on 42nd
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  Street in Times Square when he was a kid
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  Kearns: Okay.
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  Jon: when he was coming up.
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  And, like I think there's this false impression from Times Square in that
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  time period that it was all like the adult movie theaters and the
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  peep shows and the adult bookstores.
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  There, there was definitely, there was definitely a ton of that, but you also
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  had the grindhouse theaters, and you know, that's where you would go to see, uh, the
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  exploitation movies, these horror movies like Basket Case, kung fu movies, you
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  know, Bruce Lee movies all played there.
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  Action movies.
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  some of the movies that played there, like kinda first run, Shaft, a bunch of
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  the Bruce Lee titles, Blood Feast, Night of the Living Dead played there a ton.
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  Like it- that's what that area was.
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  Now, as I mentioned, I g- I was googling like a map of Times Square.
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  Two movie theaters.
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  Two movie theaters left in that, in Times Square,
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  Kearns: a
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  Jon: I mean, they may as well be in... I mean, they're, it's not
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  the same anymore anyway because one's an AMC and one's a Regal.
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  So they're, you now, now you go to Times Square, you don't
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  even get that experience.
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  And listen, I understand it wasn't always safe.
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  It wasn't always the best place to go and hang out when you were a kid,
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  'cause we, I was definitely there way too young You know, we were sneaking
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  into the city at like 14, 15 years old.
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  Wouldn't always be Times Square.
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  We'd go to the Village to hit record stores.
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  We'd, we'd, you know, we'd wander.
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  It w- but it was an experience.
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  Now it's, you can drive up the street to your local mall and
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  it's basically the same thing.
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  Kearns: Yeah, they took that away.
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  It's not a magical island of culture anymore,
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  Ryan: It's
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  Kearns: hit, uh, you gotta hit Harlem for that.
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  That still s- exists to some
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: but even
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: you still got like secret gems throughout the city that like, even
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  Jon: Shit.
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  Ryan: a mall experience, quote-unquote, like if you make like the right turn.
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  I'll, I'll even-- I'll do a quick plug.
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  Forbidden Planet in the city.
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  It's a comic book shop.
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  They do horror T-shirts, horror memorabilia, statues of comic books
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  and stuff, manga, graphic novels,
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Ryan: Like they have it all, and it's just like a small little
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  shop that's just like hidden.
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  And it's, it's
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: But
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: the life.
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  Jon: Yeah, for sure.
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  I mean, the city's too big to not have some of those places anymore, but
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  they-- so much of it used to be in the, these few blocks of Times Square that
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  you didn't have to go other places.
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  And like, he, what he does with, Henenlotter does with some of the
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  authenticity in here, like when, when Dwayne is first getting to the city,
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  walking down the street, and he's got the drug dealer following him,
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  offering him every drug imaginable to man, I had that experience.
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  Kearns: Yeah,
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  Jon: I had that e-
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  Kearns: off either.
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  Jon: No, the, this guy followed us for a block and a half offering
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  us any drug you could think of, weapons, women, like just everything.
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  It was like... And he, he didn't give up.
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  Well, finally we were like, "Dude, we're all broke. We were at the
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  peep show. None of us have any money." And he left us alone.
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  Kearns: an
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: We've
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  Kearns: that's the way Times Square was, and then,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: America's mayor is credited with clean, cleaning up Times Square.
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  We don't have to
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  And, and, yeah,
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  Ryan: No, we don't.
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  Jon: would've happened eventually anyway.
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  I mean, the whole of the '90s was sort of that cleaning up of America.
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  You know, it, you know, and New York, New York City gives a lot of
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  credit to him, but, you know, the Clinton administration ushered in a
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  lot of reforms that lowered crime.
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  It, it happened.
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  Like it happened across the country, and it had to happen.
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  It's just a shame that all of the personality of Times
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  Square got wiped away.
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  Kearns: 'cause then you lose the ingenuity, right, and the personality,
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  and that's what those places were.
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  This is non-commercialized content delivery is what it
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: when you get that, that's when you get the good stuff, the stuff that drips
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  and oozes with greatness, and we don't
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: ability anymore.
• 15:25
  Now we have carbon copy, rubber stamp, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 15:28
  Jon: Yeah
• 15:28
  Kearns: And now we have people in Hollywood and stuff who just are
• 15:31
  dying to be able to create anything.
• 15:33
  Um, Ron Perlman's Waterfall goes to that concept as well.
• 15:37
  He wants to be able to have artists drive movies in some capacity,
• 15:41
  and maybe we'll see a, a reprisal.
• 15:43
  Um, we certainly have the infrastructure for it with tech now, so.
• 15:46
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 15:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:47
  And, and listen, a lot of the-- a lot of these movies still get made.
• 15:51
  They just don't get it the same sort of treatment anymore.
• 15:55
  They get dumped on, you know, direct to video or on a streamer or whate- Like,
• 16:01
  there's no experience like going and seeing some of these old exploitation
• 16:05
  grindhouse movies on a big screen.
• 16:07
  I saw "Basket Case" on a big screen.
• 16:09
  It was amazing.
• 16:11
  Alamo Drafthouse did it, and, um,
• 16:13
  Ryan: Oh.
• 16:14
  Jon: after the movie, Beverly Bonner, who plays Casey, came out and talked
• 16:18
  about making "Basket Case" for a bit.
• 16:20
  Like, it was awesome.
• 16:22
  Kearns: neat.
• 16:22
  That's
• 16:23
  Ryan: does
• 16:23
  Jon: You--
• 16:24
  Ryan: like that.
• 16:25
  Jon: Yeah, y- yeah.
• 16:26
  Al- Al- I mean, Alamo walks that fine line in their programming between the
• 16:31
  big new release and, you know, classics and grindhouse and all that stuff.
• 16:38
  And it, it's good that it exists, but I think we probably need more of those.
• 16:42
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 16:43
  Ryan: agree.
• 16:44
  Kearns: problem is we're getting less than there--
• 16:45
  Jon: Yeah.
• 16:46
  Kearns: the
• 16:47
  Jon: are.
• 16:47
  Kearns: do exist were just bought out and gutted
• 16:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 16:51
  Kearns: They
• 16:53
  Ryan: Right now we're
• 16:53
  Kearns: took away what made them special.
• 16:55
  Ryan: Oh, sorry.
• 16:55
  I was gonna say, we're,
• 16:56
  Kearns: I
• 16:57
  Ryan: spot of, like, where movies are, right?
• 16:59
  'Cause, like, we've had,
• 17:01
  Kearns: mean...
• 17:21
  Jon: at the end of the day, the box office is gonna dictate it, and I mean, if those
• 17:25
  movie-- if the art house isn't making money, you'll get the return to Marvel and
• 17:32
  DC or something equivalent that will draw large numbers of people back to theaters.
• 17:37
  I mean,
• 17:38
  Ryan: It's
• 18:04
  Kearns: It's over 100 actually.
• 18:05
  It was like, we went to go see "Mario Galaxy." It was like 128 bucks all told.
• 18:09
  And that's one piece of c- one thing of candy for each of the kids.
• 18:13
  The whole family shared
• 18:14
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:14
  Yeah.
• 18:15
  Kearns: We got two, two beverages and the
• 18:18
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:18
  Kearns: That's all it was.
• 18:19
  I
• 18:19
  Jon: It can't, it can't be that.
• 18:21
  That's not a sustainable model.
• 18:23
  Like, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what you put into those theaters,
• 18:27
  you're gonna struggle to, to sell tickets.
• 18:30
  You're gonna struggle to fill a theater if that's what you're charging.
• 18:34
  Kearns: think their goal now is they assume they don't have to fill
• 18:38
  the theater if they can get the people who will pay that to fill
• 18:41
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:41
  Kearns: of it,
• 18:42
  Jon: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Kearns: gonna blow up in their faces.
• 18:45
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 18:46
  It's just too much
• 18:47
  Kearns: Bum, bum, bum.
• 18:48
  Ryan: like, it's
• 18:49
  Kearns: And that's the way the theaters are thinking.
• 18:52
  Jon: Yep.
• 18:52
  Yep.
• 18:52
  Kearns: Yeah, not the, not the, um... Because that hurts
• 18:56
  Hollywood in the long run.
• 18:57
  Do I have a animal behind me?
• 18:59
  I do.
• 18:59
  I have a cat behind me.
• 19:00
  Can you get out of here or come sit on my lap?
• 19:03
  One of the two.
• 19:04
  Get out of here.
• 19:06
  Ryan: But
• 19:06
  Kearns: Oh, anyway.
• 19:07
  Ryan: comfortable though, like sitting at home and watching a movie.
• 19:10
  I mean, just get a 100-inch, you know, screen or an 85-inch screen,
• 19:14
  put it up on your wall, and you get the movie experience with
• 19:16
  a soundbar or surround sound.
• 19:19
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 19:20
  I mean, I've always preferred wa-
• 19:22
  Kearns: yeah.
• 19:22
  Jon: I've always preferred watching movies at home because, you know,
• 19:26
  social anxiety, um, just general comfort, the ability to push pause
• 19:32
  if I have to go to the bathroom, you know, that, that kind of stuff.
• 19:35
  Like, I've always preferred the home experience, but there are some movies
• 19:41
  you have to go see in a theater.
• 19:43
  Ryan: feel like
• 19:44
  Kearns: Agreed.
• 19:44
  It
• 19:53
  Ryan: I feel like if I watched it at home alone, have meant anything.
• 19:57
  But going to the midnight opening
• 19:58
  Kearns: gets harder
• 20:09
  Jon: Well, I, I, I think, I think comedies in particular benefit from that kind of
• 20:14
  thing because it's... I don't know, maybe it's just my own, my own issues, but I
• 20:20
  always feel a little weird sitting on the couch alone laughing at something.
• 20:24
  Like, it always feels like, "Ah, maybe I'm slightly going insane right now."
• 20:28
  Kearns: Ah, it's more fun that way.
• 20:31
  But I agree with you, comedies hit harder in the theaters.
• 20:34
  Horror also, because tension
• 20:35
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:36
  Kearns: by
• 20:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:37
  Kearns: too.
• 20:37
  So
• 20:38
  Jon: Yep.
• 20:38
  Kearns: around you are tense, it, it adds to the atmosphere.
• 20:40
  Ryan: Conjuring 3, midnight opening.
• 20:43
  Everyone was,
• 20:43
  Kearns: of...
• 20:44
  Ryan: freaked out.
• 20:46
  Kearns: I bet.
• 20:46
  I
• 20:46
  Ryan: Oh,
• 20:47
  Kearns: bet.
• 20:47
  Speaking of tension, do we have a game this week?
• 20:50
  Jon: we absolutely have a game this week.
• 20:52
  It's another Slasher Stash.
• 20:56
  Ryan: Creepshow.
• 20:57
  Jon: I like to tell you guys how Allison, I like to tell you guys how Allison
• 21:01
  did on them before we even start.
• 21:03
  Kearns: Okay, so let's hear how Allison did.
• 21:05
  Jon: not well.
• 21:06
  Kearns: Oh, that's not good for us, Ryan.
• 21:08
  Jon: Not well.
• 21:09
  Kearns: combined.
• 21:10
  Jon: She, um,
• 21:11
  Ryan: Captain
• 21:12
  Jon: it down from five to three stashes Yeah.
• 21:19
  Kearns: It's not good.
• 21:20
  Jon: Sh...
• 21:20
  Kearns: are really, really good.
• 21:22
  Jon: Um, so I, I'm also gonna tell you the rule from, rules
• 21:26
  from previous weeks are in effect.
• 21:28
  If you correctly guess the theme, you will get... I, I'll, I'm
• 21:32
  gonna adjust that a little bit.
• 21:34
  If you correctly guess the theme, you can choose either to have
• 21:38
  an extra stash or a replacement.
• 21:43
  Kearns: Oh, that's a cool idea.
• 21:45
  I like replacement.
• 21:47
  Jon: That said, if you guess the theme wrong, you will lose one.
• 21:53
  Kearns: For each round, right?
• 21:54
  That you guess it wrong, you
• 21:55
  Jon: Each time you guess it wrong.
• 21:57
  Kearns: Er.
• 21:58
  Jon: S- and, which means you're only gonna get to guess t- three rounds.
• 22:04
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 22:04
  Jon: After the third r- I'm not gonna tell you, I want you guys to still
• 22:07
  try to figure it out if you haven't by then, and I think you should.
• 22:11
  I think if you, I think if you put your brains to this, you can figure it out.
• 22:15
  Okay?
• 22:16
  Kearns: Okay.
• 22:17
  Jon: I don't think it's that hard, so let's bring it up.
• 22:22
  Ryan: It's not
• 22:23
  Jon: I, I think, I think it's doable.
• 22:25
  I think it's doable for you guys.
• 22:27
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 22:27
  Jon: number one, Halloween 3.
• 22:32
  Kearns: Season of the Witch.
• 22:34
  Well, we already know I'm going to slash this one.
• 22:37
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:38
  Kearns: But I did enjoy kind of the way we discussed it and, gave it a little
• 22:42
  bit more artistic, you know, viability with me than it had been previously.
• 22:48
  but I just remember it being a big, fat disappointment when I first watched it,
• 22:51
  and that, that feeling will never go.
• 22:55
  Jon: That's fair.
• 22:56
  It grew on me over years.
• 22:57
  Like, it took a long time.
• 22:59
  Kearns: Mm-hmm
• 23:00
  Ryan: Well, I'm, I'm gonna slash it as well.
• 23:03
  It's the same reasons.
• 23:05
  No Michael Myers.
• 23:06
  You know, you're growing up, you see four, you see five, you see 'em all,
• 23:09
  and then you get three, and you're like, "Okay." And you don't get a shape.
• 23:13
  You get Halloween masks, a cool jingle, and a lot of
• 23:17
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 23:18
  Ryan: as you grow older.
• 23:19
  'Cause that's what it
• 23:20
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 23:21
  Ryan: you have to be a little bit older, I feel, to understand and enjoy the film, to
• 23:25
  ignore the fact Michael Myers isn't in it.
• 23:27
  But as a,
• 23:28
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 23:29
  Ryan: me, screw this film.
• 23:30
  it.
• 23:31
  All right.
• 23:33
  Jon: I mean, a- and, and all that said, I still firmly believe this
• 23:37
  movie would be viewed a lot higher if it didn't have Halloween in the title.
• 23:41
  If it was just Season of the Witch, I think people would
• 23:43
  have liked it a lot better.
• 23:45
  Kearns: Yep.
• 23:46
  Ryan: You've
• 23:46
  Kearns: it didn't have that lie, and I mean, if
• 23:48
  Jon: Yeah.
• 23:48
  Kearns: it down, it's a lie.
• 23:51
  Jon: Y- yeah.
• 23:51
  Ryan: us, Halloween.
• 24:06
  Kearns: What's the
• 24:06
  Jon: Yes.
• 24:07
  Slumber Party Massacre
• 24:09
  Kearns: more time trying to suss out this theme, but this is tricky.
• 24:15
  Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, if it's ever, like, the director and stuff like
• 24:21
  that, I always... I never, ever get those.
• 24:23
  Ryan: no, it's not the same director, but I'm,
• 24:28
  Kearns: Oh,
• 24:29
  Ryan: I'm...
• 24:29
  Kearns: don't mess this up, Ryan.
• 24:31
  Ryan: That's why I'm not saying anything, 'cause I have an
• 24:32
  Jon: Yeah, care-
• 24:33
  Ryan: lose it.
• 24:34
  Jon: careful, Ryan, because there are movies coming up on here that you will
• 24:37
  be heartbroken if you have to slash.
• 24:40
  Ryan: I know, that's why I'm like,
• 24:41
  Kearns: That's
• 24:42
  Ryan: very careful.
• 24:42
  But I'm gonna slash Slumber Party Massacre though.
• 24:45
  I mean, I love the
• 24:46
  Kearns: a
• 24:46
  Ryan: but...
• 24:47
  Kearns: pretty cool ax, ax guitar right there.
• 24:50
  Ryan: Wait, is, is that the first one or the second one?
• 24:53
  The second
• 24:53
  Jon: It's the second one.
• 24:54
  It's the second one.
• 24:55
  I think I grabbed the wrong poster, but it's the sec- it,
• 24:58
  the, it should be the first one.
• 25:00
  Kearns: Okay.
• 25:00
  Ryan: Oh, okay.
• 25:01
  'Cause I was gonna say the second one, he comes back as as the, the rock star
• 25:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 25:07
  Ryan: with the
• 25:07
  Kearns: must be it.
• 25:08
  All right, I'm going to slash this as well.
• 25:12
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:14
  Kearns: John knew this was happening.
• 25:16
  These
• 25:16
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:16
  Kearns: These aren't even decoys.
• 25:17
  I don't understand what you're doing this week, John, and I don't like it.
• 25:21
  I
• 25:21
  Jon: Movie three.
• 25:22
  Kearns: I know.
• 25:23
  Oh, yay.
• 25:26
  Do you know who reminds me of Belial?
• 25:29
  The, uh, the
• 25:30
  Jon: Carol Anne.
• 25:30
  Kearns: in Poltergeist.
• 25:32
  Jon: Zelda Rubenstein.
• 25:33
  Kearns: Zelda Rubenstein is creepy, and there could be no
• 25:36
  ghost activity in this film, and it'd be creepy just 'cause of her.
• 25:39
  Ryan: How dare you call
• 25:40
  Kearns: It sort of scares
• 25:42
  Ryan: woman.
• 25:44
  The
• 25:44
  Kearns: you.
• 25:44
  You built your house on an Indian burial ground.
• 25:49
  Hmm.
• 25:51
  I'm gonna have to stash Poltergeist, man.
• 25:53
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Kearns: no idea what the theme is.
• 25:56
  This is, this is a week for you, Ryguy.
• 25:59
  Ryan: I'm trying to figure it out.
• 26:02
  I'm really trying to.
• 26:03
  This is, it's hard.
• 26:06
  I'm just
• 26:07
  Kearns: all older films, but that's not necessarily a trend or anything for him.
• 26:11
  Ryan: But how many
• 26:12
  Jon: You got it.
• 26:30
  Kearns: It's
• 26:30
  Jon: Yep, they are all 1982.
• 26:32
  Kearns: That's why you put the other poster up, because it said 1987 on it.
• 26:36
  Jon: Yeah.
• 26:37
  Ryan: That's
• 26:37
  Kearns: bastard.
• 26:38
  Ryan: so Halloween, Season, The
• 26:40
  Jon: No, they-- no, the, the Slumber Party Massacre poster was just
• 26:44
  Ryan: I,
• 26:45
  Jon: careless.
• 26:46
  Ryan: You know
• 26:46
  Kearns: Good job, Ryan.
• 26:47
  Jon: Careless.
• 26:48
  Ryan: something, but the thing is, is I was confusing Season
• 26:51
  of the Witch with '83, because
• 26:53
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:54
  Ryan: II came out in '81, and I was like, "I think that's too close."
• 26:57
  But with Slumber Party Massacre, you putting the sequel poster, I
• 27:01
  was like, "Is he doing the second one?" Like, that's where I went off.
• 27:04
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 27:05
  Kearns: You know that's
• 27:06
  Jon: Yep
• 27:08
  Ryan: '82.
• 27:08
  Uh, but you know what?
• 27:10
  That means I... Do I... Wait, hold on.
• 27:12
  So wait,
• 27:13
  Jon: You can choose to have,
• 27:15
  Kearns: either
• 27:15
  Jon: choose
• 27:16
  Kearns: four.
• 27:16
  Jon: re- you can keep four or you can choose to replace one of three.
• 27:21
  Ryan: gonna keep four, and I am keeping Poltergeist, because if
• 27:24
  not, I would've slashed it, so I will keep Poltergeist as my gift.
• 27:29
  Jon: All right.
• 27:31
  Good job, Ryan.
• 27:32
  Ryan: Thank you.
• 27:32
  Kearns: Yeah, good job, man.
• 27:34
  Ryan: thinking about this.
• 27:34
  This one I was, like, really thinking about.
• 27:36
  I was like, "Currence is not getting this one. I'm sorry."
• 27:39
  Kearns: Not having it.
• 27:41
  guessed the year.
• 27:42
  If they... I saw 82 on that poster, I would've guessed the year.
• 27:45
  Ryan: Like I
• 27:45
  Kearns: But I didn't get to cheat this time around, because I, I don't
• 27:48
  have your brain for knowing when these movies were actually released.
• 27:51
  I have to like see stuff.
• 27:53
  All right.
• 27:53
  Here you go.
• 27:54
  Jon: So,
• 27:55
  Ryan: it's a curse on
• 27:56
  Jon: if you, if you, if you know "1982", you have a bit of an advantage now.
• 28:02
  Ryan: Mm-hmm.
• 28:03
  Jon: You can kind of think of some things that might be coming up, such as...
• 28:08
  Ryan: Yep.
• 28:09
  Kearns: There it is.
• 28:10
  Ryan: Stash.
• 28:11
  Kearns: it is.
• 28:12
  Gotta stash it too.
• 28:13
  I'm down to one.
• 28:14
  Damn it.
• 28:14
  But
• 28:15
  Jon: Yeah.
• 28:16
  Kearns: I love Creepshow.
• 28:17
  Ryan: All right.
• 28:17
  If you love it, what's your favorite segment?
• 28:19
  What is your favorite segment of the whole thing?
• 28:21
  Kearns: Probably grows on you.
• 28:24
  Ryan: I was gonna say, that's my
• 28:26
  Kearns: Don't you call me out, bro.
• 28:29
  Don't you call
• 28:30
  Jon: I,
• 28:30
  Kearns: know about which short stories some of these are based on, bro.
• 28:35
  Jon: I kind of feel like it's different every time I watch it.
• 28:38
  Kearns: Mm.
• 28:40
  Ryan: go
• 28:40
  Kearns: The Raft is super good too.
• 28:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 28:43
  Kearns: Also Stephen King short story, by the way.
• 28:45
  Jon: Isn't the raft in two, though?
• 28:47
  Ryan: Mm-hmm.
• 28:47
  Kearns: might be.
• 28:47
  Ryan: the
• 28:48
  Kearns: It
• 28:48
  Jon: I think the raft is in two, yeah.
• 28:50
  Kearns: one is in, um-
• 28:52
  Jon: Two.
• 28:53
  Kearns: Two, and iconic one's in the Creepshow one.
• 28:57
  Leslie Nielsen's one.
• 28:59
  Jon: Uh-huh.
• 29:00
  Kearns: one.
• 29:00
  "It Grows on You" is in one.
• 29:02
  Ryan: Yep.
• 29:02
  Jon: Yep.
• 29:03
  Ryan: the old man coming from his grave for his birthday cake is in one.
• 29:07
  Kearns: Oh,
• 29:08
  Ryan: the
• 29:08
  Jon: the roach,
• 29:09
  Kearns: Creepshow.
• 29:09
  Jon: one.
• 29:10
  Ryan: Yep, the creature in the box was the other one.
• 29:13
  Jon: Yep.
• 29:14
  Kearns: What's in the box?
• 29:15
  That one might be the best one actually, but I still think "It Grows on You"
• 29:17
  is my favorite 'cause I just loved it.
• 29:19
  Ryan: I- it's, it's just done so well, 'cause it's, like, the simple
• 29:23
  farmer, plus it's Stephen King
• 29:25
  Kearns: It's an homage to the blob.
• 29:27
  It's just
• 29:28
  Jon: and plus it's Stephen King and George Romero together.
• 29:32
  Kearns: Which is kinda nifty, yeah.
• 29:35
  Ryan: It's a
• 29:35
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 29:37
  Jon: It's about as good a duo as you can have for a horror movie.
• 29:40
  Kearns: calls Stephen King Stephen, and Stephen King calls George Romero George.
• 29:45
  Jon: I ho- I hope Stephen King called him George A.
• 29:48
  Ryan: George A. So you want, I got
• 29:52
  Kearns: Romero.
• 29:52
  Ryan: King, I got a Stephen King story.
• 29:54
  Um, I was watching YouTube clips and he was on Conan O'Brien, and
• 29:57
  he said he wanted to do a story.
• 29:59
  He was like, the most challenging story I could do?" And he said, "Well, the
• 30:03
  woman's bathroom in the airport." And it was going on about how this couple,
• 30:10
  you know, the woman stops and she's like, "I gotta use the bathroom."
• 30:12
  She leaves, and the husband's waiting, and it's hours and hours and hours.
• 30:18
  And then finally he goes in, but then he disappears.
• 30:22
  no one's c- knows what's going on.
• 30:24
  Everyone gets called,
• 30:25
  Kearns: good
• 30:25
  Ryan: the police, the firefighters, the governor, everyone.
• 30:29
  And then Conan O'Brien goes, "This is great. How did it end?" He goes,
• 30:32
  been into the woman's bathroom, so I don't know what's going on
• 30:35
  Kearns: joke.
• 30:35
  Pretty
• 30:35
  Ryan: I don't know how to
• 30:37
  Kearns: good joke.
• 30:38
  Ryan: And
• 30:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 30:39
  Ryan: like, he just built it up so well.
• 30:41
  I was like, "I wanna read this," but come on,
• 30:43
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Kearns: similar with The Night Flier.
• 30:45
  It starts in the bathroom.
• 30:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 30:48
  Ryan: Okay.
• 30:49
  Jon: Ready for number five?
• 30:50
  Ryan: Yeah, do
• 30:52
  Jon: There
• 30:54
  Kearns: man.
• 30:56
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Ugh.
• 30:59
  You
• 31:00
  Kearns: Oh, I, I have
• 31:01
  Jon: go.
• 31:01
  Kearns: it, but, I am out of options.
• 31:05
  But Swamp Thing is super cool.
• 31:07
  Ryan: Swamp
• 31:07
  Kearns: what you gotta do, buddy.
• 31:09
  Jon: I
• 31:09
  Ryan: I am, I am gonna slash it.
• 31:11
  I do enjoy Sw- Swamp Thing, but I gotta slash it.
• 31:16
  Gotta
• 31:16
  Jon: just wanna point out, the number of movies you slash in this podcast
• 31:21
  that are Wes Craven movies astounds me.
• 31:26
  Kearns: John never resists the urge to throw shade at Ryan for doing
• 31:28
  anything against Wes Craven's name,
• 31:31
  Jon: Uh-huh.
• 31:32
  Kearns: legacy.
• 31:33
  Jon: because I, I can guarantee you if we were reversed, I would
• 31:36
  never, ever slash a Romero movie.
• 31:40
  Kearns: Probably
• 31:40
  Jon: Not one, not under any circumstance.
• 31:43
  Ryan: I'm picky, all right?
• 31:45
  Kearns: Well, there's a difference between Romero and Wes Craven.
• 31:50
  Sorry
• 31:50
  Jon: Yeah.
• 31:51
  Ryan: Like
• 31:51
  Kearns: There's--
• 31:51
  Jon: Yeah.
• 31:52
  Kearns: It's easier to slash some of Wes Craven's work, in my humble opinion.
• 31:56
  Ryan: No, I agree.
• 31:57
  I agree.
• 31:58
  There, there's him.
• 31:59
  Mrs. John Carpenter?
• 32:00
  Absolutely not.
• 32:02
  Kearns: My carpenter's cool.
• 32:03
  Ryan: Well, Escape From,
• 32:06
  Jon: Ward,"
• 32:06
  Ryan: Escape From L.A.
• 32:08
  Jon: "Escape from L.A." I could live without "Dark Star."
• 32:12
  Ryan: Re- Dark St- It's so, it's funny.
• 32:14
  Kearns: Lesser
• 32:14
  Ryan: like his
• 32:15
  Jon: It's all right.
• 32:15
  It's
• 32:16
  Ryan: watching
• 32:16
  Jon: right.
• 32:18
  Ryan: It's his early work,
• 32:19
  Jon: Now, but "Last House on"... Yeah.
• 32:22
  Like, they- there's definitely, there's some soft spots in Carbon.
• 32:26
  I mean, I'm sure a lesser Romero fan would- could find plenty of soft spots.
• 32:32
  I mean,
• 32:32
  Kearns: The way you worded that, bro.
• 32:39
  I am the pinnacle, for those behind me find cracks,
• 32:45
  or what they perceive as cracks in the work of this genius.
• 32:49
  Oh, that was brilliant.
• 32:51
  Jon: Yes.
• 32:51
  Kearns: You
• 32:52
  Jon: All
• 32:52
  Kearns: the wordsmith.
• 32:52
  Ryan: Kudos.
• 32:53
  Jon: six.
• 32:56
  I said number six.
• 32:57
  There we go
• 32:58
  Ryan: What
• 32:58
  Kearns: Oh, of course it's
• 33:00
  Jon: people.
• 33:01
  Kearns: people.
• 33:02
  Doesn't... Isn't this really just sleepers with more makeup on?
• 33:05
  Ryan: Yes.
• 33:07
  Jon: Hmm?
• 33:07
  Kearns: not something... What does it say?
• 33:09
  They are something more than lovers who are about to become
• 33:13
  something less than human.
• 33:16
  Ryan: I...
• 33:17
  Kearns: Being a cat would be pretty cool.
• 33:20
  Ryan: Mm. Eh.
• 33:22
  Kearns: movie must have made, like, a dollar in 1982.
• 33:25
  Ryan: I don't, I don't think it was as popular as it was.
• 33:28
  I mean, cool concept, right?
• 33:30
  Jon: I think it's definitely gained some popularity in the years since.
• 33:35
  Ryan: It's a... Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 33:38
  It's a remake, 'cause isn't there a Cat People movie from the '30s?
• 33:42
  Jon: Yes, I believe there is.
• 33:44
  Ryan: There is.
• 33:46
  Okay.
• 33:46
  I'm slashing it, though.
• 33:48
  Kearns: do it.
• 33:49
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 33:49
  Kearns: I
• 33:51
  Ryan: taking
• 33:51
  Kearns: do it, too.
• 33:52
  We got two more movies after this or three, El Jefe?
• 33:55
  Jon: Two.
• 33:56
  Kearns: I feel okay going into
• 33:58
  Jon: Ryan gets to stash them both.
• 34:00
  Did I accidentally skip way ahead?
• 34:02
  Hold on.
• 34:03
  I did.
• 34:03
  Kearns: right now.
• 34:03
  I hope, like, one of them's, like, some awful movie.
• 34:06
  Ryan: Don't you dare throw that
• 34:08
  Kearns: One of them y- you have to stave some pile of garbage film.
• 34:11
  Jon: All right.
• 34:12
  Wait, where did they go?
• 34:13
  Ryan: Swamp
• 34:14
  Kearns: There it is.
• 34:15
  Ryan: Oh.
• 34:16
  Kearns: it's
• 34:16
  Jon: No, hold on.
• 34:18
  No, where did my other pictures go?
• 34:20
  There we go.
• 34:21
  Ryan: Stash.
• 34:22
  Stash.
• 34:25
  In 3D.
• 34:26
  Kearns: I have a thing about movies that were produced in 3D, but this one
• 34:30
  is, like, one of the rare exceptions.
• 34:32
  Ryan: this why you showed me the poster earlier, or was that just ironic?
• 34:35
  Jon: Yeah, that was just coincidence.
• 34:37
  Kearns: He's cheating.
• 34:38
  He's showing you stuff ahead of time while you guys are out on your trysts.
• 34:41
  It's a conspiracy.
• 34:45
  Ryan: w- John, the book, um, the book you found.
• 34:51
  Jon: Oh, yeah.
• 34:53
  I don't even remember what it was.
• 34:55
  It's in my wishlist now.
• 34:56
  Ryan: but we were, like, gleaming over its, uh, sequel to one of the
• 35:01
  films that we actually talked about.
• 35:05
  Jon: Hold on, it's in... I think it's in my Amazon list, so.
• 35:10
  Ryan: Cool
• 35:10
  Jon: Hold on.
• 35:11
  Talk about, talk about Friday the 13th.
• 35:14
  Ryan: Well, Friday
• 35:15
  Kearns: there's a man, and the man is very strong.
• 35:19
  Nigh unstoppable.
• 35:21
  Ryan: is the first time he gets the hockey mask, right?
• 35:24
  he fights the biker gang.
• 35:25
  He shoots the
• 35:26
  Jon: Yes, this-- That's the significance of this Friday the
• 35:30
  13th is this is the hockey mask.
• 35:33
  Kearns: And the harpoon in 3D is pretty sick, by the way.
• 35:36
  even that era's...
• 35:39
  Ryan: It has the fireplace
• 35:40
  Kearns: I kinda stash this, but I really don't want to because I don't know
• 35:43
  what's next, and I was gonna get rid of it 'cause I have a thing about 3D
• 35:46
  movies that they're easy to get rid of.
• 35:48
  But I have to do it with this one.
• 35:50
  Jaws 3D is... I love it because it's so bad,
• 35:54
  Ryan: floating
• 35:54
  Kearns: and it's got the Quaid.
• 35:55
  I do love the Quaid.
• 35:57
  Jon: So
• 35:58
  Kearns: yeah, I'm
• 35:58
  Jon: what I'm hearing is this is a stash?
• 36:00
  Kearns: I have to stash it.
• 36:02
  It's the first... It's the mask.
• 36:04
  It's the, the symbol of the franchise, for
• 36:07
  Jon: It is the mask,
• 36:08
  Kearns: Oh,
• 36:08
  Jon: and you are about to, you're about to learn why this was so hard for Allison.
• 36:13
  Kearns: no,
• 36:14
  Ryan: What's the last one?
• 36:16
  Jon: Last one.
• 36:17
  Kearns: the right way.
• 36:18
  Never mind.
• 36:18
  Ryan: No, hold on.
• 36:19
  Wait.
• 36:19
  Opposite.
• 36:20
  Ooh, yes.
• 36:21
  Yes.
• 36:22
  Kearns: All right, that's it for tonight, everybody.
• 36:24
  I'm logging off.
• 36:25
  Ryan: Yes.
• 36:27
  Oh.
• 36:28
  Jon: I knew I was gonna get one of you guys to have to cut this,
• 36:31
  Ryan: Oh,
• 36:32
  Jon: this.
• 36:32
  Kearns: Yeah, I see that this one wasn't random order either, you bastard.
• 36:35
  You started in
• 36:35
  Jon: No.
• 36:36
  Kearns: purpose.
• 36:36
  There's a
• 36:37
  Jon: no, it wa- It,
• 36:38
  Kearns: with this one,
• 36:39
  Jon: it... No, this one was definitely intended to be random
• 36:42
  order and somehow I messed it up.
• 36:44
  Kearns: Somehow messed it up.
• 36:45
  Ryan: I
• 36:45
  Kearns: So
• 36:45
  Jon: Listen, I, I'm ru- I'm run- I'm running on about four hours of sleep here.
• 36:50
  I'm a little messed up, so...
• 36:52
  Kearns: that's, that's understandable.
• 36:53
  Ryan: The
• 36:53
  Kearns: Damn
• 36:54
  Ryan: is a great movie.
• 36:54
  Sorry that you had to slash it from your existence, but I still keep it in mine.
• 37:00
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:01
  Yeah, I mean, at least it stays in the world.
• 37:03
  Kearns: This is
• 37:04
  Jon: But I...
• 37:05
  Kearns: one of the tops of ever, and I just got rid of it forever.
• 37:09
  Oh, my God.
• 37:09
  Ryan: No,
• 37:10
  Kearns: Okay.
• 37:10
  Ryan: it's gonna come back later in this year when we cover it.
• 37:13
  We're gonna
• 37:13
  Jon: But like,
• 37:14
  Kearns: I can resurrect it.
• 37:15
  Ryan: it,
• 37:15
  Jon: but that, that's kind of, kind of why this was so hard for Allison.
• 37:20
  She g- she stashed some stuff I was surprised.
• 37:23
  Like, I... She s- she kept a thing, and that's not usually
• 37:27
  been her MO with that movie.
• 37:30
  Ryan: She
• 37:30
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 37:30
  Ryan: The Thing?
• 37:32
  Jon: Dogs.
• 37:33
  Ryan: Oh, fuck.
• 37:34
  Kearns: but that's not a real
• 37:35
  Jon: Dogs.
• 37:36
  Kearns: Allison,
• 37:37
  Jon: Doesn't matter.
• 37:38
  Ryan: the
• 37:38
  Jon: matter.
• 37:38
  Ryan: huskies were
• 37:39
  Jon: matter.
• 37:40
  Ryan: The other
• 37:40
  Jon: Doesn't matter.
• 37:41
  Yeah,
• 37:42
  Kearns: huskies were really right.
• 37:44
  Fodder
• 37:44
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:45
  Yeah.
• 37:45
  That
• 37:46
  Kearns: friend they
• 37:46
  Jon: that doesn't usually matter.
• 37:48
  But yeah, I forget what.
• 37:50
  She, she stashed another one that I was surprised by.
• 37:53
  Uh, might've been Halloween III.
• 37:56
  Ryan: shocker.
• 37:59
  Jon: had a hard time getting down to, down to three.
• 38:03
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 38:04
  Jon: As d- as did Kearns.
• 38:07
  As would Ryan have if he didn't get that...
• 38:10
  Kearns: a little bit like,
• 38:11
  Ryan: God.
• 38:12
  Kearns: a forcibly removed tumorous-looking brother that
• 38:15
  lives in a basket right about now.
• 38:18
  to feel like I might have to take out
• 38:20
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 38:20
  Kearns: some peeps
• 38:23
  Jon: So we, I think we should start with the doctors who removed Bilal from Dwayne,
• 38:31
  Ryan: Yep, Dr.
• 38:32
  Jon: and the fact that they... Lifflander, Needleman,
• 38:38
  and,
• 38:40
  Ryan: Cutter.
• 38:41
  Jon: Yep.
• 38:42
  But
• 38:43
  Kearns: A
• 38:43
  Jon: what,
• 38:44
  Ryan: Needleman.
• 38:45
  Jon: kind of doctors are they, gentlemen?
• 38:47
  Kearns: Sturgeon kinds.
• 38:49
  Ryan: Wow, uh, Dr. Cutter's a veterinarian.
• 38:52
  Jon: They're all, they're all veterinarians.
• 38:54
  Ryan: vets?
• 38:55
  I thought...
• 38:56
  Jon: Yeah, all three of them are vets.
• 38:58
  Ryan: They don't make
• 38:59
  Kearns: Interesting.
• 39:00
  Ryan: clear with Needle- was it Needleman?
• 39:02
  Jon: They... No, they... And Needleman, you know, Needleman may have just been
• 39:06
  like a regular doctor, but they do at one point refer to them as veterinarians.
• 39:11
  Kearns: Well, if you're
• 39:11
  Jon: Like
• 39:12
  Kearns: for a
• 39:12
  Jon: Lift- Liftlander called other... Uh, yeah, and apparent- I mean, it's revealed
• 39:17
  at one point that these weren't the first doctors they consulted with, that the
• 39:22
  father really just wanted to save Duane.
• 39:27
  Bilal, he didn't care about.
• 39:29
  Bilal, I mean, listen, it's the,
• 39:32
  Kearns: fair.
• 39:33
  Jon: it's the early '80s, Bilal is...
• 39:35
  Ryan: He's done.
• 39:36
  Kearns: It's gonna have a rough go of it, and we, we got-- we need Duane
• 39:39
  over here to carry on the family name.
• 39:42
  Jon: And, and listen, it w- it would be a reasonable expectation looking at Bilal
• 39:47
  to believe he would not survive removal.
• 39:50
  Ryan: Oh, he
• 39:51
  Kearns: It would've been beneficial to the entire world if he hadn't,
• 39:55
  Jon: He-- Well, yeah.
• 39:56
  Kearns: Well, I mean, today, y- I think they would probably
• 39:58
  mercifully euthanize that thing,
• 40:02
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 40:02
  Jon: I
• 40:04
  Kearns: You don't think so?
• 40:05
  You think they
• 40:05
  Jon: don't know.
• 40:06
  Uh.
• 40:06
  Kearns: is a fair point.
• 40:08
  We're
• 40:08
  Jon: We don't, we don't like that concept.
• 40:10
  Yeah.
• 40:11
  Ryan: yeah.
• 40:12
  Jon: we don't like that concept.
• 40:13
  Kearns: About 30% of us don't like that concept, let's be fair.
• 40:18
  Jon: True, true.
• 40:19
  Kearns: pretty loud right about now.
• 40:21
  So,
• 40:21
  Jon: yeah.
• 40:22
  Kearns: Okay.
• 40:24
  So
• 40:25
  Jon: Just...
• 40:25
  Kearns: the removal of Belial, and then, um,
• 40:29
  Jon: Yeah,
• 40:29
  Kearns: realize he has a brother?
• 40:32
  Ryan: Oh, he's always known him.
• 40:34
  Jon: always known.
• 40:35
  Kearns: How
• 40:35
  Jon: Yeah.
• 40:36
  Kearns: He was raised alongside him.
• 40:38
  Ryan: Well,
• 40:38
  Jon: Yeah.
• 40:39
  Ryan: well,
• 40:40
  Jon: He, he
• 40:41
  Kearns: he?
• 40:42
  Jon: very alongside...
• 40:44
  Ryan: I mean, by, you know, holding him up to the spot where
• 40:47
  he was cut, but, like, Belial
• 40:50
  Kearns: I'm to get you guys to tell the, the listeners that may not know that w-
• 40:55
  he doesn't have this removal as a child.
• 40:57
  Does he have it as an adult?
• 40:58
  Ryan: no, yes, as a
• 40:59
  Jon: Oh, he's, he's 12.
• 41:01
  Kearns: he's
• 41:01
  Jon: he's 12 when they, they... Yeah, that, that's a really long
• 41:05
  time to have a, a conjoined twin that you... is that condition.
• 41:11
  Kearns: homeschooled.
• 41:14
  Jon: I'm gonna say almost definitely homeschooled.
• 41:17
  I mean...
• 41:17
  Ryan: a tutor go to them.
• 41:19
  She freaks out.
• 41:21
  aunt is a sweetheart
• 41:23
  Jon: The, the aunt is the only compassion they have as children.
• 41:28
  That's the only love, that's the only nurturing.
• 41:31
  Kearns: That's fine.
• 41:32
  Jon: Well, I mean, Duane, Duane's really not once he doesn't have
• 41:37
  his brother attached to him.
• 41:38
  Kearns: he's fine.
• 41:40
  He's fine.
• 41:40
  He's...
• 41:40
  Jon: I, I mean, yeah.
• 41:43
  in a world where "Basket Case" has more than a $35,000 budget,
• 41:48
  I've always envisioned Dr.
• 41:50
  Cutter played by Sigourney Weaver.
• 41:53
  Kearns: would be kinda cool.
• 41:53
  That'd be kinda cool.
• 41:56
  Ryan: I can see that.
• 41:57
  She's got the look.
• 41:58
  mean,
• 41:59
  Kearns: No world.
• 42:00
  Gotta put on
• 42:01
  Jon: In a world...
• 42:01
  Ryan: I'm just saying
• 42:02
  Jon: Yeah.
• 42:03
  Ryan: Jada kept hearing her scream, and she's like, "What is that
• 42:05
  noise?" Says, "You gotta turn it off, this woman's annoying.
• 42:08
  Is she dead yet?" And I'm like, "No, not yet.
• 42:10
  Give it a few more
• 42:11
  Jon: It,
• 42:12
  Kearns: When
• 42:13
  Jon: it's funny 'cause Allison had the same comment this afternoon
• 42:16
  when I was watching some of the behind the scenes stuff.
• 42:18
  She said, "I forgot how much screaming there was in this movie."
• 42:23
  There was a lot of screaming.
• 42:25
  Kearns: of
• 42:25
  Jon: a lot of screaming.
• 42:26
  Kearns: need a lot of extra effort from your actors.
• 42:29
  Jon: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Yeah.
• 42:31
  Kearns: Belial screaming.
• 42:33
  Ryan: It's just
• 42:33
  Kearns: He's relatively quiet and goopy throughout most of it, right?
• 42:36
  Gr, gr, gr.
• 42:37
  Ryan: like when he's against the
• 42:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:39
  Ryan: "Aah." I'm
• 42:40
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:43
  Kearns: Movie's
• 42:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:44
  Ryan: vine?
• 42:45
  Like,
• 42:46
  Kearns: This movie's ridiculous.
• 42:47
  We didn't even have to hash through the summary.
• 42:48
  Sometimes we go
• 42:49
  Jon: No.
• 42:50
  Kearns: of the
• 42:50
  Jon: Yeah.
• 42:50
  Kearns: much
• 42:51
  Jon: mean,
• 42:51
  Kearns: here,
• 42:51
  Jon: I mean, it's a revenge movie.
• 42:54
  Dwayne is bringing Bilal to get revenge on the doctors that separated him.
• 42:58
  they get Dr. Lifflander in Glens Falls, and then it's on to New York
• 43:03
  to take out Needleman and Cutter.
• 43:05
  Ryan: You know, though, I'll say this.
• 43:07
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 43:08
  Ryan: say this.
• 43:10
  Kearns: of
• 43:10
  Jon: Well,
• 43:10
  Ryan: He's
• 43:11
  Jon: mean, yeah.
• 43:12
  Ryan: I'm just
• 43:13
  Jon: Yeah, Bilal, Bilal has a thing for Casey, for sure,
• 43:17
  Ryan: W-
• 43:17
  Jon: and then later on he has a, he has a, he has a thing for Sharon, who becomes
• 43:25
  Dwayne's unex- unexpected love interest.
• 43:28
  Ryan: Yep.
• 43:29
  Kearns: Karen is the straw, the straw that broke the camel's back for
• 43:32
  the relationship between these two
• 43:33
  Jon: Yep, yep, yep.
• 43:34
  D- Bilal does not like Dwayne getting kissed.
• 43:39
  That, that telepathic connection causes a room trashing.
• 43:44
  Kearns: in the gonads
• 43:45
  Jon: Yep.
• 43:46
  Kearns: guy.
• 43:46
  Jon: Yep, yep.
• 43:47
  Kearns: wonder where those are, 'cause he's kinda got an
• 43:50
  ET thing going on, you know?
• 43:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:52
  Kearns: He, he doesn't... You don't really see any of the...
• 43:55
  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:56
  They're underneath him somewhere, I think.
• 43:59
  Ryan: It's...
• 44:00
  Jon: And they're, they're there.
• 44:01
  Kearns: gotta buy the Belial Christmas ornament so we can find out for ourselves.
• 44:07
  Ryan: Buy it at your
• 44:08
  Jon: So I wanna ask if you guys noticed, um, that Sharon is
• 44:14
  wearing a wig the whole movie
• 44:16
  Kearns: No, I did not.
• 44:18
  I, I really wasn't looking too closely, to be honest with you, but I had
• 44:23
  Jon: She is wea- Sharon is wearing a ra- a wig the entire movie.
• 44:27
  She, her real life name is Terry Susan Smith, and she was in a punk rock band at
• 44:33
  the time they made this movie, and, uh, a punk rock band called Tattooed Vegetables.
• 44:40
  Kearns: That's a pretty
• 44:40
  Jon: She, she had her head shaved at that point in time.
• 44:44
  Ryan: So she
• 44:45
  Kearns: Little Sinéad O'Connor action going on
• 44:48
  Jon: Yeah.
• 44:49
  Yep.
• 44:50
  And she apparently was very, very concerned throughout most of
• 44:54
  filming about how the wig looked.
• 44:57
  Ryan: It looked
• 44:57
  Kearns: enough.
• 44:58
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 44:59
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 44:59
  Jon: Yeah, I mean, I, I never really thought about it until, you know,
• 45:03
  now and reading about, more about Basket Case, and I came upon that.
• 45:06
  I think we haven't, yet mentioned Kevin Van Henterick,
• 45:10
  Hentenrick, who plays Duane.
• 45:13
  Kearns: you point it out, it's a wig.
• 45:16
  Jon: yeah, when, when you know it's a wig now, you know, you realize it.
• 45:20
  Kearns: Before, I thought it was just the '80s.
• 45:22
  Ryan: Y-
• 45:23
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:23
  Ryan: going with, but you know what?
• 45:24
  I still, like, they did a pretty good job, like, it placed there, especially when
• 45:28
  like... Well, it explains why when they put, like, the sheet over her and they do
• 45:32
  that scene, so the wig wouldn't fall off
• 45:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:37
  Ryan: when they push her out and stuff.
• 45:38
  But
• 45:39
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:39
  Ryan: can't really tell.
• 45:40
  They did a pretty good job at a lot of the effects and, like, everything
• 45:44
  they did so well on the budget.
• 45:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:48
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 45:48
  Ryan: a B movie, it's very well
• 45:50
  Kearns: They hit you with good concepts like, you know, him creeping up on her and
• 45:54
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:55
  Kearns: making you
• 45:55
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Kearns: It's not even about the scares.
• 45:58
  The gore level's pretty high, but it's the
• 46:00
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:00
  Kearns: of how they
• 46:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:01
  Kearns: not just gore for the sake of gore.
• 46:04
  her back.
• 46:05
  So,
• 46:05
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:06
  Kearns: like that, you know what I mean?
• 46:07
  There's actual thought and artistry
• 46:09
  Jon: Yeah.
• 46:10
  Yeah.
• 46:10
  And, um, Kevin Van Hentenrick does a really good job as Duane.
• 46:17
  He's... I, I met him at, uh, at the first Connecticut Horror Fest I ever went to.
• 46:23
  I have, I have an autographed photo of him hanging right above my head right now.
• 46:27
  He's, like... I think it, I think it's from two or three.
• 46:32
  I would...
• 46:32
  It's definitely not from the first one.
• 46:34
  I just don't remember if it's two or three, this photo.
• 46:37
  But he, was a really nice guy.
• 46:39
  I, I wish, in hindsight, I wish I hadn't gone to him first, because
• 46:44
  really, the way it was laid out, the first Connecticut Horror Fest I went
• 46:49
  to, I went because it was Romero.
• 46:52
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 46:54
  Jon: And the way that conference center was laid out was sorta like
• 46:58
  a, like a horseshoe, and at the end of the horseshoe was Romero
• 47:02
  Ryan: Yeah
• 47:04
  Kearns: That's pretty
• 47:04
  Jon: And, you know, so we're walking pa- we're walking past all these people
• 47:08
  and, like, we'd stop and be like, "Oh, Basket Case guy, let's, let's get an
• 47:12
  autograph." But, like, we didn't even try to spend any time talking to him.
• 47:17
  It was like, "We gotta get to Romero."
• 47:19
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 47:19
  Jon: And I wi- I wi-
• 47:20
  Kearns: felt that way.
• 47:22
  Jon: in, in hindsight, I wish I had spent a few more minutes
• 47:25
  h- just talking to him, but...
• 47:28
  Kearns: Yeah, that would've been kinda neat.
• 47:29
  I bet you he had
• 47:30
  Jon: Yeah.
• 47:30
  Kearns: things he could've said.
• 47:32
  Jon: Um, yeah, yeah.
• 47:33
  Like, he's got... So in the bonus features, there's an
• 47:37
  extended interview with him.
• 47:39
  You know, he, he's, at this point, I think some of his memories of
• 47:43
  making this are not fully reliable.
• 47:45
  Um, they did talk about the scene where, um, towards the end where Bilal
• 47:50
  grabs him by the groin and lifts him.
• 47:52
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 47:53
  Jon: And Frank Henenlotter asks, you know, "Do you remember how we did
• 47:57
  that?" And he's like, "'Cause you don't see wires, right?" He's like,
• 48:01
  "Yeah, you had some sort of rigged contraption that you stuck me on."
• 48:05
  And they did.
• 48:06
  He had, they had, like, a harness and a pole, and they stuck him to a pole.
• 48:12
  Ryan: Oh, okay.
• 48:13
  Kearns: gone bad, so
• 48:14
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 48:14
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 48:15
  Absolutely.
• 48:16
  The thing, the thing he remembered mostly was how uncomfortable and painful it was.
• 48:20
  Ryan: I
• 48:20
  Kearns: Yeah, I can't imagine that felt very good.
• 48:23
  Ryan: Here.
• 48:24
  Kearns: can't imagine they took, like, 50 takes either, though.
• 48:26
  They were like, "All right, we got, we
• 48:27
  Jon: No,
• 48:27
  Kearns: there
• 48:28
  Jon: no.
• 48:28
  All right.
• 48:29
  Ryan: All
• 48:30
  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:30
  Ryan: do it from a
• 48:31
  Jon: We got, we,
• 48:31
  Ryan: Bob.
• 48:32
  Jon: we have this, we have this puppet holding onto, onto our actor's groin.
• 48:36
  We've, we gotta get this in one.
• 48:39
  Kearns: One take, and
• 48:40
  Jon: He's got a, he's got a pole up his... Yeah.
• 48:43
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Jon: they, I mean, there are two of them, at least two of them were
• 48:47
  in existence at, fairly recently.
• 48:50
  Kearns: Oh, cool.
• 48:51
  They gotta be worth a lot
• 48:54
  Jon: Henenlotter had one and the producer had another.
• 48:57
  Ryan: Okay.
• 48:57
  Kearns: Pretty sweet.
• 48:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:00
  Kearns: And if they're from the first movie, not the sequels
• 49:02
  too, they're probably worth bank.
• 49:04
  Jon: Yeah.
• 49:05
  Yeah.
• 49:05
  I mean, and I, I would imagine you won't, they'll never be up for purchase
• 49:10
  as long as either of them are alive.
• 49:12
  Kearns: Second they go up at auction, it's gonna be del Toro who buys them anyway.
• 49:17
  Jon: Oh, hopefully.
• 49:18
  Kearns: He's got a house full of stuff
• 49:20
  Ryan: It'll go right next to his pumpkin head.
• 49:23
  Kearns: It's the best part is that that's in the foyer.
• 49:25
  When you walk in the house, the first thing you see is Pumpkinhead.
• 49:28
  It's brilliant.
• 49:30
  but yeah, I mean, I think the film ends super well.
• 49:33
  It should have-- It, I mean, this is one of those ones where I don't care
• 49:35
  that it didn't end with the first movie, but it could've, it should've.
• 49:38
  It was meant
• 49:39
  Jon: Yeah.
• 49:39
  Kearns: seemingly.
• 49:41
  was talking about it earlier.
• 49:42
  Ryan, what happens to them at the end after, um, brothers are
• 49:45
  pit against each other by the
• 49:47
  Jon: before, before we even
• 49:48
  Ryan: they f-
• 49:49
  Jon: get
• 49:49
  Ryan: Oh.
• 49:49
  Kearns: Wait, hold on,
• 49:50
  Jon: to that, k- um- Right, the scene before that, the, the dream sequence
• 49:58
  Ryan: God
• 49:59
  Jon: where,
• 49:59
  Ryan: talk
• 49:59
  Jon: where,
• 50:00
  Ryan: That
• 50:00
  Jon: yeah, where Bilal, Bilal goes to Sharon to take her out, not on a date,
• 50:07
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 50:08
  Ryan: No.
• 50:09
  Jon: e- to eliminate, eliminate his competition
• 50:12
  Kearns: There you go.
• 50:27
  Yeah.
• 50:28
  Jon: one thing I'd never noticed before, if you watch that scene
• 50:32
  and you look at Dwayne, he does not have a scar on his side.
• 50:36
  Kearns: Is that a double?
• 50:37
  Or
• 50:38
  Jon: not.
• 50:38
  Kearns: to put it on?
• 50:39
  Jon: Nope.
• 50:40
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 50:41
  Jon: That is Bilal's vision of Dwayne.
• 50:44
  Kearns: Oh, that's too artsy-fartsy for this film.
• 50:48
  Jon: That, that, that's how, that's how Bilal sees Dwayne.
• 50:53
  Kearns: With no incision?
• 50:55
  Jon: no s- yeah, yeah.
• 50:57
  Kearns: No scar from the
• 50:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 50:58
  Ryan: And,
• 50:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 50:59
  Ryan: naked?
• 51:01
  Jon: I mean,
• 51:02
  Ryan: Like,
• 51:03
  Jon: but I guess.
• 51:03
  Kearns: this
• 51:04
  Jon: I guess.
• 51:04
  Kearns: more fetched.
• 51:06
  Jon: I guess.
• 51:06
  I mean, yeah.
• 51:07
  Ryan: I'm
• 51:08
  Kearns: All right.
• 51:09
  Ryan: him running down.
• 51:10
  I'm like, "Is Snoop Dogg gonna come out? Is Will Ferrell?
• 51:14
  They looking for Popeyes?" You
• 51:16
  Kearns: What?
• 51:16
  Ryan: Dogg, give me your
• 51:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 51:19
  Ryan: You know, we're going
• 51:19
  Jon: Yeah.
• 51:20
  Ryan: Like, I was
• 51:21
  Kearns: Snoop was in diapers when this movie came out.
• 51:26
  Um,
• 51:26
  Ryan: Snoop
• 51:26
  Kearns: whatchamacallit?
• 51:27
  Ryan: no.
• 51:28
  No, I don't
• 51:28
  Kearns: '82?
• 51:30
  Ryan: Snoop?
• 51:32
  Kearns: I'm literally gonna Google how old was Snoop Dogg in 1982.
• 51:35
  Jon: I would bet it's, Snoop's, Snoop's right around my age,
• 51:38
  so he's probably 10 to 12.
• 51:40
  Kearns: I think he was 10 to 12.
• 51:42
  Ryan: He saw Basket
• 51:43
  Kearns: He was born in 1971.
• 51:45
  Damn it, he was 10 years old.
• 51:47
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 51:47
  Jon: Yeah.
• 51:48
  Ryan: Diapers.
• 51:50
  Rolling
• 51:51
  Jon: I mean, maybe.
• 51:52
  M- uh, hold,
• 51:53
  Kearns: yet, at
• 51:54
  Jon: hold on, hold on.
• 51:56
  You don't know he wasn't in diapers at 10.
• 51:59
  Kearns: Oh, true, true.
• 52:01
  Jon: have had some juvenile incontinence issues,
• 52:03
  Ryan: We
• 52:03
  Jon: allegedly.
• 52:04
  Ryan: We don't know
• 52:05
  Kearns: Allegedly perfect.
• 52:06
  Now we're safe.
• 52:07
  Ryan: yep.
• 52:07
  Kearns: Don't call the lawyers.
• 52:09
  We
• 52:09
  Jon: Allegedly, he m- allegedly, that might have been something
• 52:13
  that happened that I sort of just maybe made up in my brain.
• 52:18
  Ryan: Allegedly.
• 52:20
  Jon: Allegedly.
• 52:21
  Kearns: So we're ready to leapfrog over to the, the grand finale.
• 52:25
  And the only reason we're bringing up the end isn't to punctuate the end of
• 52:27
  the episode or anything, it's just 'cause the ending of the movie's pretty funny.
• 52:30
  It's pretty
• 52:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 52:31
  Ryan: they have this big fight, they get thrown out the window, and you see them
• 52:36
  hanging from the sign, Belial's holding the sign, and he's holding Duane by
• 52:40
  his throat, and he chokes him to death.
• 52:43
  And then once he's choked to death, he just lets go, is supposed to be like
• 52:47
  this big moment, and the hand's just like a little bit, then falls, and
• 52:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 52:54
  Ryan: dead.
• 52:56
  How do
• 52:56
  Jon: And you get the...
• 52:57
  Kearns: If I
• 53:00
  Jon: You, you, well, I mean, Sharon's gone at that point too.
• 53:04
  Kearns: else?
• 53:05
  Jon: you get to, you get some traumatized sex workers.
• 53:08
  Kearns: Yep, Times Square.
• 53:10
  They gotta put in the
• 53:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:12
  Kearns: Square.
• 53:13
  And then, yeah, it's roll credits with fake names, and
• 53:16
  that's the end of the movie.
• 53:17
  And b- they-- It should've been the end of the whole concept, but it did well.
• 53:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:22
  And
• 53:22
  Ryan: Yep.
• 53:22
  Jon: I mean, listen, two and three aren't, aren't great, but they
• 53:26
  are fun and they're pretty funny.
• 53:28
  You get to some, some really outrageously ludicrous things
• 53:32
  going on in, in two and three.
• 53:36
  Kearns: I mean, just the concept of like sitting down like, "Hey, man,
• 53:38
  I got an idea for a movie," and he pitches this to his buddy, and
• 53:41
  you're just probably like, "What the hell are you talking about, man?"
• 53:45
  Jon: Yep.
• 53:46
  Kearns: funny stuff.
• 53:47
  Ryan: It's, it's good.
• 53:50
  You know, it holds up for what it is.
• 53:51
  It's a good B
• 53:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:53
  Ryan: Something you get with a group of friends, have a good time, have a
• 53:57
  Kearns: Up tier B movie.
• 53:59
  Ryan: whatever you
• 53:59
  Jon: Yep.
• 54:00
  Kearns: B.
• 54:01
  Ryan: have
• 54:01
  Jon: Yep.
• 54:02
  Yeah.
• 54:03
  So
• 54:04
  Ryan: Yes.
• 54:05
  Jon: get into, some reviews and then our, thoughts?
• 54:08
  Kearns: Yeah, buddy.
• 54:09
  Ryan: reviews because
• 54:10
  Kearns: This...
• 54:11
  Ryan: there's a five star.
• 54:13
  Jon: Of course they're... I mean...
• 54:15
  Kearns: of them.
• 54:15
  This is a well-beloved movie.
• 54:17
  Jon: Do you guys, do you guys wanna take a guess at any of
• 54:20
  the Rotten Tomatoes scores here?
• 54:24
  Kearns: 79,
• 54:25
  Jon: is?
• 54:26
  Kearns: like
• 54:27
  Jon: You're saying
• 54:28
  Kearns: 79 tomato, but, uh, it's critic score, I'm saying sub...
• 54:32
  I'll do this way, sub 30% critic
• 54:35
  Jon: Okay.
• 54:36
  Ryan?
• 54:36
  Ryan: Uh, I'd say they probably gave it a 47.
• 54:42
  Jon: You guys are both way low.
• 54:44
  "Basket Case" is a 78% critic score.
• 54:47
  Kearns: That's
• 54:48
  Ryan: wow.
• 54:48
  Kearns: unbelievable to me.
• 54:50
  How is that even possible?
• 54:51
  Is this
• 54:52
  Jon: I think,
• 54:52
  Kearns: cult
• 54:53
  Jon: even, I, I mean, I think some of it is, but I think even at the time
• 54:57
  even Ebert kind of liked "Basket Case".
• 54:59
  Kearns: How would Ebert-- This stands against everything
• 55:01
  Ebert used to say about movies.
• 55:03
  Ryan: I'm looking that up.
• 55:04
  Jon: I,
• 55:05
  Ryan: Ebert.
• 55:05
  Jon: I, I, I think, I think Ebert had like a s- a level of respect
• 55:10
  for some of the grindhouse ones.
• 55:13
  Kearns: Yeah
• 55:14
  Ryan: Oh.
• 55:15
  Jon: I, I may be, I may be remembering that wrong, but I think...
• 55:19
  Ryan: I got, I got a quote.
• 55:21
  Jon: The only one?
• 55:22
  Ryan: Yeah, it's, it's short.
• 55:24
  Roger Ebert was not a fan of Frank Henenlotter's 1982 cult
• 55:28
  horror film, Basket Case, famously referring to it as sickening.
• 55:33
  While Ebert appreciated well-crafted horror like Halloween or Dawn of
• 55:36
  the Dead, he frequently criticized low-budget exploitation films
• 55:40
  that relied on extreme gore.
• 55:42
  So no, he was, he was not a fan of the first one, nor the second one.
• 55:48
  Jon: I mean, uh, if he didn't like the first one, he's not
• 55:51
  gonna like the second one.
• 55:52
  Kearns: goes harder in the pain on all those areas.
• 55:55
  Jon: Yeah.
• 55:55
  Yeah.
• 55:56
  and the audience score for Basket Case is 55%.
• 55:59
  Ryan: Really?
• 56:01
  Jon: Yeah, we have a split in a surprising direction to me.
• 56:04
  Kearns: That is bizarre.
• 56:08
  Jon: so we'll start with the five-star.
• 56:10
  "Insanely bizarre $35,000 budget, but way better than most low-budget films.
• 56:17
  Acting was excellent.
• 56:19
  The casting is amazing.
• 56:21
  Each character is so believable.
• 56:23
  The stop animation sucks, but for its time era, not an issue for me."
• 56:29
  Ryan: It
• 56:29
  Kearns: Yeah, I think maybe we, we put those two things in the wrong s- like,
• 56:33
  one belongs here, one belongs here, buddy.
• 56:36
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:37
  Yeah.
• 56:38
  I, I mostly-- I didn't think the stop action necessarily sucked.
• 56:42
  It was, it was a little clunky, but it was 1982,
• 56:45
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 56:46
  Jon: and $35,000.
• 56:48
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 56:48
  Ryan: works for the time.
• 56:51
  Jon: Yeah.
• 56:51
  of course, there's people who did not like Basket Case, such as this one-star.
• 56:56
  "Found this movie to be ridiculously stupid.
• 57:00
  Not much about it was good.
• 57:03
  The premise seemed to be stupid and ended up being lousy.
• 57:07
  The effects were very bad, even for the '80s."
• 57:12
  Kearns: Okay.
• 57:13
  Jon: think they were bad for the, even for the '80s.
• 57:15
  Like, they're good for $35,000.
• 57:19
  Ryan: Yes.
• 57:19
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 57:22
  Jon: And then there's this, there's another one-star
• 57:25
  because of course there is.
• 57:27
  One star: "Sometimes films are so bad they're good, but Basket Case is so bad
• 57:34
  it's effing terrible. The acting is some of the w- some of the worst I've ever
• 57:41
  seen, and the effects are all plasticine and red sauce. A proper terrible film."
• 57:49
  Ryan: Corn starch, buddy.
• 57:51
  Kearns: Agree
• 57:51
  Jon: Yep.
• 57:52
  Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaking of the corn starch,
• 57:56
  Kearns: What the heck
• 57:56
  Jon: Fr-
• 57:57
  Ryan: Yeah, what
• 57:57
  Jon: Frank Hen- uh, Fidget.
• 57:59
  Kearns: Oh, okay
• 58:00
  Ryan: I was like, what
• 58:00
  Jon: Fidget.
• 58:01
  Ryan: about the corn starch?
• 58:02
  Did you just pull out a
• 58:03
  Jon: spe- Yeah, no, it's not the corn starch.
• 58:06
  Um, speaking of the corn starch, um, Frank Henenlotter still has a bottle of
• 58:11
  it from Basket Case in his refrigerator.
• 58:14
  Ryan: Oh, that's
• 58:14
  Kearns: Oh, cool.
• 58:15
  Ryan: I'll be
• 58:16
  Jon: Yep.
• 58:16
  Kearns: thing that can go for 100 grand at auction.
• 58:18
  Ryan: It, it's hard to make the perfect blood consistency with corn starch.
• 58:22
  It takes a lot of, you know, and error until you get to the perfect thing.
• 58:27
  So him saving
• 58:28
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 58:28
  Ryan: I don't blame him.
• 58:29
  Keep the formula.
• 58:31
  That's how we gotta
• 58:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 58:32
  Kearns: formula.
• 58:35
  All
• 58:35
  Jon: So we heard what some other people think.
• 58:37
  What do you guys think?
• 58:39
  Kearns: I give, uh, Basket Case solid three stars.
• 58:42
  Solid three star.
• 58:43
  I might even have to edge it up to, like, 3.25.
• 58:45
  It's-- 'Cause it's just got so much character, man.
• 58:48
  There's a reason I remember it to this day.
• 58:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 58:51
  Kearns: We-- They-- People don't talk about it often at parties and whatnot,
• 58:54
  that I go to anyway, and I still remember Basket Case because it was a memorable
• 58:58
  movie, and it was an enjoyable experience.
• 59:00
  So, like, for 35 grand, what else could you ask for?
• 59:03
  3.25,
• 59:05
  Ryan: Okay.
• 59:05
  Kearns: it's
• 59:05
  Jon: All right.
• 59:06
  Kearns: the titans.
• 59:07
  You're, you're, uh... The Thing is in the same pool as... And if we had different
• 59:11
  categories, maybe I would push it higher.
• 59:13
  And I don't really like grindhouse in general, but this is great.
• 59:17
  Ryan: Okay.
• 59:18
  Jon: All right.
• 59:19
  Ryan?
• 59:20
  Ryan: I am going to give it a three star, three out of five.
• 59:23
  beats my expectations seeing, know... Hey, listen, I wasn't gonna be forgiving.
• 59:29
  You keep saying I'm so forgiving and generous.
• 59:33
  I hope you're
• 59:34
  Kearns: For the wrong movies.
• 59:35
  Jon: I
• 59:36
  Kearns: I'm not muted, mother, father.
• 59:40
  Ryan: damn straight.
• 59:41
  But yeah, it, it beat my expectations seeing clips when I
• 59:44
  Kearns: There.
• 1:00:03
  Jon: You'll say one was enough, but I, again, like I love bad movies,
• 1:00:07
  so two and three are a lot of fun, especially like they, they're
• 1:00:11
  fun, they're fun party movies.
• 1:00:13
  You know, you put 'em on, you don't have to pay a ton of attention, and you can
• 1:00:16
  just laugh at the how ridiculous it gets.
• 1:00:18
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Jon: so I'm way above you guys on "Basket Case."
• 1:00:23
  Kearns: were going to be.
• 1:00:25
  Jon: And ba- ba-- it, it's gonna make more sense when I do my top five as to why, but
• 1:00:31
  "Basket Case" checks so many of my boxes.
• 1:00:36
  A- New York City, horror,
• 1:00:40
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Jon: indie stuff, the story, everything about it hits a box for me.
• 1:00:46
  So I, I, "Basket Case" is a four star for me.
• 1:00:49
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:00:50
  Kearns: completely
• 1:00:51
  Jon: It's a, it's a solid...
• 1:00:53
  Yeah, it's a solid f- I could almost push it higher than
• 1:00:56
  four, but I'll stay at four.
• 1:00:58
  Kearns: And it's just for what it is too, it's a, it's a c- it's the underdog too.
• 1:01:02
  It's a great... Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:01:05
  Kearns: Awesome, man.
• 1:01:06
  I love the reviews.
• 1:01:07
  I love when we have a bit of a, bit of a spectrum on our reviews
• 1:01:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:10
  Ryan: My God, this is the first time that we-- first time
• 1:01:13
  we disagreed on everything.
• 1:01:16
  Can't believe it.
• 1:01:17
  But,
• 1:01:18
  Jon: Yeah, we never disagree on ratings for movies.
• 1:01:21
  Ryan: But we're talking about top fives tonight.
• 1:01:23
  And you know what?
• 1:01:24
  I'm gonna get into top five martial art films, I feel like these
• 1:01:28
  martial art films, um, I love.
• 1:01:32
  highly recommended, and they have the, you
• 1:01:35
  Jon: recently, but I've seen it, yeah
• 1:01:58
  Ryan: film follows Jet Li.
• 1:01:59
  He played, uh, the character Danny, who's trained from childhood to be
• 1:02:03
  a brutal enforcer for a crime boss, played by Bob Hoskins, who learns about
• 1:02:07
  the possibilities of a normal life.
• 1:02:09
  And it's just, it's a beautiful story in which this character's enjoying life.
• 1:02:13
  He's seeing the freedom, and then he's brought back in, and he's
• 1:02:16
  gotta unleash, no pun intended, his kung fu style to defeat everyone.
• 1:02:21
  And it's, it's a-- no one talks about it a lot.
• 1:02:24
  I really don't see it anywhere a lot.
• 1:02:27
  Kearns: It's buried because Jet Li's movies were f- like, kind of
• 1:02:30
  like of favor for a little while.
• 1:02:33
  He did The One
• 1:02:34
  Ryan: Black mask.
• 1:02:34
  Kearns: and he did Unleashed.
• 1:02:37
  Black Mask was good too.
• 1:02:38
  They were like, they were kinda being sort of like, "Okay, okay, okay," sorta thing.
• 1:02:44
  He, he did, uh, what was The Way of the Dragon or something?
• 1:02:46
  Something Dragon,
• 1:02:47
  Ryan: Uh,
• 1:02:48
  Kearns: and that was amazing.
• 1:02:49
  And then was it Once Upon-
• 1:02:51
  Ryan: I think Once Upon a Time in China.
• 1:02:53
  He did?
• 1:02:54
  Is that the same one where he's got the, um, he's got the long, um...
• 1:03:00
  Kearns: is a different one.
• 1:03:00
  This is the one where he's in France and he's, he's like China's number one agent,
• 1:03:05
  and the guy accidentally targets him, and then it turns into him versus France.
• 1:03:09
  And everybody loved that.
• 1:03:10
  It's got Bridget Fonda in it.
• 1:03:13
  and then Unleashed came around and everybody was kind of like fatigued with
• 1:03:16
  Jet Li, I think, by the time that hit.
• 1:03:18
  And I, I agree with you though, I think it's a fantastic movie.
• 1:03:20
  The dog collar aspect and everything is so cool.
• 1:03:23
  Ryan: And you get
• 1:03:24
  Kearns: Hodgkin's-
• 1:03:25
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  I, he's just so British, man, and it's just like that Cockney, like, Cockney.
• 1:03:30
  I'm sorry, not Cockney.
• 1:03:31
  That Cockney, like, accent.
• 1:03:34
  It's just, it's so brutal, and he just unleashes it.
• 1:03:36
  And I think this is, like, one of his last films before
• 1:03:39
  Kearns: Unleashed three more times, we're gonna get a sponsorship, so keep going.
• 1:03:45
  Ryan: Unleashed.
• 1:03:45
  And I'm
• 1:03:46
  Kearns: Gotta do it in context.
• 1:03:47
  Ryan: I'm gonna unleash number four, and number
• 1:03:49
  Kearns: Nice.
• 1:03:51
  Ryan: uh, Jackie Chan.
• 1:03:54
  Originally called Armour of the God 2, it's a sequel.
• 1:03:57
  Here in America it's called Operation Condor.
• 1:04:01
  It's
• 1:04:01
  Kearns: Oh,
• 1:04:02
  Ryan: to
• 1:04:02
  Kearns: okay.
• 1:04:03
  Ryan: Uh, Chan plays a character name, of course, Jackie, AKA Condor, who's battling
• 1:04:09
  against a former Nazi to retrieve gold.
• 1:04:11
  It's a fun Jackie Chan film.
• 1:04:13
  It's one of his foreign films from China where he's an absolute big star.
• 1:04:18
  It's fun.
• 1:04:18
  The stunts are, of course, insane.
• 1:04:21
  And I learned it has another sequel.
• 1:04:23
  They did actually a third film in 2012, so they finished off the
• 1:04:27
  trilogy, which is pretty cool.
• 1:04:30
  But again, it's so good.
• 1:04:32
  The original one came out in 1986, Armour of the God, which leads to my number
• 1:04:36
  three, 2012's The Man with the Iron Fists.
• 1:04:41
  I'm just gonna say it, RZA just he wrote it with Eli Roth.
• 1:04:47
  Um, Roth can survive this week, basically.
• 1:04:50
  We'll take him out of my deletion unit for this movie.
• 1:04:54
  it stars Russell Crowe, Dave Bautista, Cung Le, Lucy Liu.
• 1:04:59
  It's just, like, 19th century China.
• 1:05:02
  You know, you f- follow lone warriors who are forced to unite to defeat a common
• 1:05:05
  foe save this village, the jungle village.
• 1:05:08
  So it's like, it's borrowing from so many kung fu movies,
• 1:05:12
  and it's really a nice homage.
• 1:05:14
  get a lot of the fantasy trope with the iron fists, Bautista
• 1:05:18
  turning into the Gold Man.
• 1:05:21
  there's so much.
• 1:05:22
  What?
• 1:05:24
  Jon: I always laugh when a, when a wrestler pops up in a movie.
• 1:05:28
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:29
  Ryan: feel like, he's a wrestler, but he's proven himself to be a good
• 1:05:34
  actor, like a, like a serious actor, 'cause he's worked so hard, and
• 1:05:38
  Kearns: Hi, Barbara.
• 1:05:54
  Jon: Yeah, I mean, it's a something to shoot for.
• 1:05:57
  I mean, he's a long way from that, but he's turned himself
• 1:06:01
  into a pretty good actor.
• 1:06:02
  Kearns: also lost a ton of his muscle recently and
• 1:06:04
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:05
  Kearns: He's decided to turn that part of his life down a bit, and I
• 1:06:08
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  Kearns: might actually be a good idea if he's trying to get these
• 1:06:11
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  Kearns: roles.
• 1:06:12
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:06:13
  No, no more r- no more running around in wrestling rings in his underwear for him.
• 1:06:17
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Ryan: tight, and I have seen Batista live at a
• 1:06:20
  Jon: It's his underwear.
• 1:06:21
  Ryan: It's
• 1:06:22
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:23
  Ryan: Dude's
• 1:06:23
  Jon: Underwear.
• 1:06:25
  Ryan: Tight, and
• 1:06:25
  Kearns: They're all huge.
• 1:06:27
  Ryan: Oh.
• 1:06:28
  Jon: Underwear.
• 1:06:28
  Kearns: I just watched the video where Shawn Michaels saves the
• 1:06:30
  kid with Down syndrome from getting gang beat by security.
• 1:06:33
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:06:34
  Kearns: And, um, and you'd think Shawn Michaels, he's the flyer, you know,
• 1:06:37
  and you think he's gonna be small.
• 1:06:38
  And you see him next to normal people, and you're like, "Oh, he's huge." And then
• 1:06:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:43
  Kearns: makes him look like he's a baby, and then the next five guys
• 1:06:46
  make Stone Cold look like he's a baby.
• 1:06:49
  So they're just all big.
• 1:06:50
  Ryan: think he's, like, 6'1", Shawn Michaels, which is my
• 1:06:53
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  Ryan: It's like they don't, like... Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Jon: I think, yeah, I think he's 6'1", 6'2", yeah.
• 1:07:00
  Ryan: it's-- And that's considered short in the wrestling world,
• 1:07:03
  for back in that day, 'cause
• 1:07:05
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:07:05
  Ryan: like Hulk
• 1:07:06
  Jon: Well,
• 1:07:07
  Ryan: who's, like,
• 1:07:07
  Kearns: Like X-Pac
• 1:07:08
  Jon: mean,
• 1:07:08
  Kearns: the smallest than Sabu.
• 1:07:10
  Jon: for back in that day, they were also lying about
• 1:07:13
  everybody's height except Andre.
• 1:07:16
  Ryan: But yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Jon: Like Hogan, Hogan I think at one point was billed at like 6'8" or 6'9".
• 1:07:23
  Ryan: Yes, not true.
• 1:07:25
  He's not,
• 1:07:26
  Jon: No
• 1:07:27
  Ryan: The Undertaker's that tall.
• 1:07:28
  Undertaker's about 6'9", 6'8".
• 1:07:31
  Jon: Yeah, but he was billed at like seven when he first started.
• 1:07:35
  Ryan: I, yeah.
• 1:07:36
  Kearns: you gotta... It's like the freak show at the carnival.
• 1:07:38
  You gotta make them look more than-- They've gotta be titans.
• 1:07:41
  Ryan: Yep.
• 1:07:42
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Kearns: for better or worse, whatever you think of him these days, I drive by
• 1:07:45
  his place all the time over in Stanford, WWE headquarters and whatnot, and he
• 1:07:50
  know- he knew how to put on a show.
• 1:07:52
  He knew how to get the
• 1:07:53
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 1:07:53
  Absolutely.
• 1:07:55
  Ryan: was always entertainment.
• 1:07:57
  It wasn't, like WCW was wrestling, ECW was wrestling.
• 1:08:01
  WWE has always been entertainment, and it changed
• 1:08:05
  Jon: Is it in the Bronx?
• 1:08:22
  Ryan: in the Bronx, but it is kinda royal 'cause it's one of
• 1:08:24
  my favorite Jackie Chan films.
• 1:08:25
  It is Rumble in the Bronx, 1995.
• 1:08:29
  Chan is, uh, of course, a Hong Kong police officer who arrives in the
• 1:08:32
  Bronx area of New York City to meet his uncle and go against the local
• 1:08:36
  gang that's, you know, making trouble.
• 1:08:39
  It's so fun.
• 1:08:40
  I remember staying up late at night on
• 1:08:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:43
  Ryan: They used to show it at 11 o'clock, stay up, wake up the
• 1:08:46
  next morning Be like, yes, I just
• 1:08:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:48
  Ryan: this film.
• 1:08:49
  It's rated R.
• 1:08:50
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Ryan: Cool.
• 1:08:51
  It's just fun, and the ending is just, uh, it's just his stunts.
• 1:08:58
  the, the worst stunt he's ever done was going... And I don't- It's not this film,
• 1:09:01
  but when he slides down the, uh, glass building, and then he stops right at the
• 1:09:07
  end, I feel like that's the worst stunt, and this one has the second worst is when
• 1:09:11
  he's coming down in the hot air balloon with I think there's no, like, basket
• 1:09:16
  or anything, and he's just flying down.
• 1:09:18
  It's just, it's nuts.
• 1:09:21
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:09:21
  Ryan: Which leads to my number one.
• 1:09:25
  It's a Bruce Lee film.
• 1:09:27
  Kearns: Mm.
• 1:09:27
  Ryan: famous one.
• 1:09:29
  Kearns: Mm.
• 1:09:29
  Ryan: It's Enter the Dragon.
• 1:09:32
  I mean, you got The
• 1:09:32
  john Saxon.
• 1:09:34
  I mean,
• 1:09:37
  Kearns: Do I have to
• 1:09:37
  Jon: Yep.
• 1:09:38
  Kearns: I probably have to cut that out.
• 1:09:43
  Both of you stayed silent.
• 1:09:45
  I didn't know if you heard it or not.
• 1:09:46
  Ryan: Oh, I heard it.
• 1:09:48
  Kearns: Oh, okay.
• 1:09:48
  We'll cut that out.
• 1:09:49
  Okay, keep going.
• 1:09:50
  I won't cut out us talking about cutting it out, though, so people can wonder.
• 1:09:54
  But all right.
• 1:09:54
  Jon: Belief
• 1:09:55
  Ryan: But it's just, it's good.
• 1:09:56
  It's like you get all these other Bruce Lee films over time, right?
• 1:10:00
  Uh, Fist of Fury, um, Big Boss, Chinese Connection, Way of the Dragon.
• 1:10:05
  And it's... Wait.
• 1:10:09
  the... No, no.
• 1:10:09
  Way of the Dragon's after.
• 1:10:10
  No.
• 1:10:11
  Way of the Dragon's Chuck Norris, so it's definitely before Enter the Dragon.
• 1:10:15
  Yeah.
• 1:10:16
  But all those films led to what Enter the Dragon is.
• 1:10:19
  So it was the deal with Warner Brothers, big film, put Bruce Lee
• 1:10:23
  more into the stardom, then Game of Death happens, no pun intended.
• 1:10:29
  But it's just, a really great martial arts film, and it, it hits the spot.
• 1:10:35
  It's got every trope, and I feel like a lot of f- uh, action films
• 1:10:40
  borrow from Enter the Dragon a lot.
• 1:10:44
  Jon: Sure, yeah.
• 1:10:45
  Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  Kearns: enough.
• 1:10:46
  Ryan: But that's it.
• 1:10:47
  That's my top five for this week.
• 1:10:48
  John,
• 1:10:48
  Kearns: Big town vibe,
• 1:10:49
  Jon: Thanks.
• 1:10:50
  Ryan: you.
• 1:10:50
  Uh, what's your top five, man?
• 1:10:52
  What is
• 1:10:53
  Jon: So doing Basket Case gave me the opportunity to do a top five for
• 1:10:59
  one of my favorite types of movie.
• 1:11:02
  I think it's really a genre onto itself, and it's movies, the gritty,
• 1:11:09
  like late '60s through early '90s, gritty, grimy New York City movies.
• 1:11:17
  Ryan: Chud.
• 1:11:18
  Jon: like legitimately some of my favorite movies ever are the--
• 1:11:24
  just these like, these exploitative New York City is a crime-ridden,
• 1:11:30
  gross place, and I love them.
• 1:11:34
  I love, love, love that, that New York City, which is, is
• 1:11:40
  weird because it's not safe.
• 1:11:41
  It's not a great version of the city, but I love seeing it on, in films.
• 1:11:45
  so my number five is a movie called Ms. 45.
• 1:11:51
  it's directed by Abel Ferrara and starring Zoe Lund as a woman who
• 1:11:55
  is, assaulted twice in the same day.
• 1:11:58
  the trauma propels her into a brutal world of vengeance, and the, that's
• 1:12:02
  the only thing that keeps her going.
• 1:12:04
  There's scenes where she's dressed as a nun taking revenge on the people who
• 1:12:08
  assaulted her, and then on any criminals.
• 1:12:12
  Like it, it's, it's got a lot of I Spit On Your Grave to
• 1:12:17
  it, but set in New York City.
• 1:12:19
  Ryan: It sounds like
• 1:12:20
  Kearns: Oh
• 1:12:20
  Ryan: female version of Death Wish.
• 1:12:23
  Jon: Yeah, kind of.
• 1:12:24
  Kind of, except, you know, yeah, not somebody else getting revenge for her.
• 1:12:30
  Ryan: Fair.
• 1:12:30
  Jon: yeah.
• 1:12:32
  Abel Ferrara's gonna return again in my number four.
• 1:12:35
  He stars and directs as Reno Miller in Driller Killer.
• 1:12:42
  so Reno is a struggling artist, not only financially, but also mentally.
• 1:12:48
  Uh, his life is falling apart around him.
• 1:12:50
  He's gonna lose his apartment, he's gonna lose everything.
• 1:12:53
  Everything is just going to crap for him, and he finally has his break with reality
• 1:12:58
  and becomes the titular Driller Killer.
• 1:13:01
  Ryan: dress in a construction outfit, please?
• 1:13:05
  Jon: Um, I don't remember there being a construction in-
• 1:13:08
  Ryan: hat included.
• 1:13:09
  If not, then we
• 1:13:10
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  Ryan: that.
• 1:13:11
  That's our, that's our film.
• 1:13:13
  Kearns: Oh, why you sense that?
• 1:13:15
  right.
• 1:13:16
  Jon: I mean, there's plenty of other ones with guys in hard
• 1:13:18
  hats, so I, I like... Y- you know.
• 1:13:23
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:13:23
  Jon: Um, my next one, it sort of surprised me when I, watched it because
• 1:13:30
  I just sort of assumed that it wasn't filmed in New York City, but it was, and
• 1:13:35
  it's Lucio Fulci's "New York Ripper."
• 1:13:38
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:13:38
  Ryan: She think it was in Montreal again?
• 1:13:41
  Jon: no, I thought, I figured it was, like, an Italian city sort of standing in
• 1:13:45
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:13:45
  Jon: for New York City, but, uh, it came up in one of the, the "Basket Case"
• 1:13:51
  documentaries where, uh, Henenlotter was touring the sites of his own movies and
• 1:13:56
  happened to go past one of the buildings that was featured in "New York Ripper."
• 1:14:01
  Uh,
• 1:14:02
  Ryan: That's
• 1:14:02
  Jon: so a serial, serial killer is prowling the streets of New
• 1:14:05
  York City, picking off young women and taunting the police, calling
• 1:14:09
  them and speaking like a duck.
• 1:14:13
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 1:14:15
  Jon: Um, a tired police detective and a psychoanalyst team up to try to catch him.
• 1:14:21
  I mean, it's really, like, you get a lot of the POV killer stuff, and
• 1:14:26
  the duck talking is, uh, like, worth the, the price of admission itself.
• 1:14:31
  Ryan: or Daffy?
• 1:14:32
  Jon: It's a d- it's a very Donald type of voice.
• 1:14:36
  I mean, obviously changed enough because I'm sure Disney would've
• 1:14:39
  sued the pants off of him if it was a direct Donald Duck impersonation.
• 1:14:44
  Kearns: 100%.
• 1:14:45
  Jon: it's, it's close enough that you know that's what they're going for.
• 1:14:48
  Ryan: That's great.
• 1:14:49
  Jon: number two is a movie called "The Exterminator."
• 1:14:53
  Kearns: Okay
• 1:14:53
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:14:55
  Jon: This was one I picked up probably, uh, before "Basket Case" for sure.
• 1:14:59
  It used to be on HBO at a lot of weird hours.
• 1:15:02
  when his best friend is mugged and left paralyzed, John Eastland dons his military
• 1:15:08
  gear and a motorcycle helmet and embarks on an epic vigilante justice spree,
• 1:15:14
  first eliminating the gang responsible and then any criminal he finds.
• 1:15:21
  Directed by James Glickenhouse, who definitely embraced the gritty
• 1:15:26
  New York City of the time period.
• 1:15:28
  It is, it's like the full grit.
• 1:15:31
  Ryan: What year did that come out?
• 1:15:33
  Jon: Oh, like '80... Around "Basket Case," between, like, '82 and '84, I think.
• 1:15:38
  Ryan: it's like, I feel like he was trying to do a version of The Punisher, but he
• 1:15:43
  Kearns: Ooh.
• 1:15:43
  Ryan: so he did The Exterminator,
• 1:15:45
  Jon: of, kind of...
• 1:15:47
  Ryan: awesome because then you get years later Dolph Lundgren doing The Punisher,
• 1:15:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:15:52
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 1:16:06
  Jon: "The Warriors," it, it's not horror enough.
• 1:16:08
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:16:09
  A, a
• 1:16:10
  Jon: At the end of the day, at the, at the end of the day, we are still a horror
• 1:16:14
  podcast, and to me that means I try to do these lists w- as much horror as possible.
• 1:16:20
  And it's also, it's also not "Escape From New York" because I don't feel like
• 1:16:24
  "Escape From New York" fits this category.
• 1:16:26
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:16:27
  Jon: From New York" is dystopian New York City,
• 1:16:30
  Kearns: not...
• 1:16:30
  Jon: close.
• 1:16:31
  It's close.
• 1:16:32
  It's not quite this category.
• 1:16:35
  so my number one is Joe Spinell in "Maniac."
• 1:16:41
  Ryan: Okay.
• 1:16:42
  Yep.
• 1:16:44
  Kearns: How
• 1:16:44
  Jon: "Maniac" i-
• 1:16:45
  Kearns: that coming?
• 1:16:46
  Jon: yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Ryan: but...
• 1:16:48
  Jon: a, a, a psychotic, mother-obsessed, skin-on-mannequin serial killer?
• 1:16:54
  Absolutely.
• 1:16:55
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:56
  Yeah.
• 1:16:57
  Ryan: on it.
• 1:17:01
  Jon: level of sleaze to play Frank Zito.
• 1:17:03
  Like, he's gross and menacing and sweaty, and, like, he's, he's exactly the kind
• 1:17:10
  of person you would expect to do this.
• 1:17:13
  but he also managed to, get, like, a pathetic, almost sympathetic arc
• 1:17:18
  to his character, too, where you can almost feel bad for this guy
• 1:17:22
  that's so devastated about his mom.
• 1:17:25
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Jon: then he's who he is, and it's... Like, and he, like... It
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  really also sort of played into some of the fears that existed in and
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  around New York City at that time.
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  'Cause, you know, you're just past the Son of Sam when "Maniac" comes out.
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  So, like, this is a, it's a scary version of the city.
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  Kearns: Fair
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  Ryan: It hi- it, it hits hard though because of its release and when it
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: released, I feel like a lot of people went to see it because
• 1:17:55
  of curiosity, but I would also
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:58
  Ryan: of people were afraid to see it because of
• 1:18:00
  Jon: Abso- absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  And it's one of the rare movies I own on 4K, but I almost never watch it in 4K.
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  Kearns: Gotcha.
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  Jon: go-
• 1:18:10
  Ryan: you
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  Jon: I try to g- no, I opened it, I watched it, but I, most of the
• 1:18:15
  time I wanna watch "Maniac," I go back to... Yeah, I go back to as
• 1:18:20
  old a version of it as I can find.
• 1:18:22
  If I-- I think I still have a DVD version of it.
• 1:18:25
  That's what I prefer to watch because it, uh, it looks beautiful in 4K, but
• 1:18:31
  "Maniac" shouldn't look beautiful.
• 1:18:32
  Ryan: You need the
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  Kearns: Got
• 1:18:33
  Ryan: and the
• 1:18:34
  Kearns: it.
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  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:18:35
  Ryan: and the
• 1:18:35
  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: cool.
• 1:18:36
  Jon: mani- "Maniac" should look grimy.
• 1:18:39
  Ryan: Yes.
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  Kearns: Ladies and gentlemen, that's what you call a real enthusiast right there.
• 1:18:45
  This guy knows his stuff.
• 1:18:47
  Ryan: with him.
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  It's like you go watch a Kurosawa film.
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  Like, do you want it to be in color?
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  No.
• 1:18:53
  Jon: No.
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  No
• 1:18:54
  Ryan: white, and you want to see the graininess, and you wanna see
• 1:18:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:18:57
  Ryan: almost fall off.
• 1:18:58
  Uh, but it's normal.
• 1:19:00
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:19:00
  Our, our, RIP Ted Turner, but the colorization of black and
• 1:19:04
  white movies is something that he s- sort of helped usher in,
• 1:19:08
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  Jon: and it was never really... I never enjoyed it.
• 1:19:13
  I, I don't wanna see you make up what you think the colors in this movie were.
• 1:19:18
  Ryan: It
• 1:19:19
  Jon: I,
• 1:19:19
  Ryan: doesn't work.
• 1:19:20
  Jon: me, give me the natural form.
• 1:19:22
  Kearns: It was a nice gimmick for them to try, but I
• 1:19:25
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:19:25
  Kearns: part, the public has spoken on it.
• 1:19:26
  Yeah.
• 1:19:27
  Ryan: It's a Wonderful Life in color is not a wonderful life.
• 1:19:31
  to
• 1:19:31
  Jon: No.
• 1:19:31
  Ryan: and white.
• 1:19:33
  Jon: Colori- colorized "Night of the Living Dead," like,
• 1:19:35
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Jon: just, just not the same.
• 1:19:38
  Ryan: that.
• 1:19:38
  Jon: It's not the same.
• 1:19:39
  Kearns: They didn't do a
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  Jon: Don't.
• 1:19:41
  Kearns: with it either.
• 1:19:41
  Jon: No, no, the... Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  Ryan: it's like The Mark of Zorro, the old Tyrone Power one when they try to
• 1:19:47
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:48
  Ryan: in
• 1:19:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:48
  Ryan: It... Don't, don't do it.
• 1:19:52
  Jon: No, don't, don't.
• 1:19:54
  Kearns: Maybe it had a place in 1940, but now we know better.
• 1:19:56
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:19:57
  Kearns: Like, don't
• 1:19:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:19:58
  Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  Kearns: just regenerate it with AI anyway.
• 1:20:01
  Ryan: but it
• 1:20:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:01
  Almost.
• 1:20:02
  Ryan: for the universal Phantom of the Opera from 1942.
• 1:20:06
  They colorized it and it worked.
• 1:20:08
  That one
• 1:20:08
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:20:09
  Ryan: is weird, 'cause that was the only film that worked, and it was horror,
• 1:20:13
  Jon: Almost.
• 1:20:13
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 1:20:16
  Da, da, da.
• 1:20:17
  All right, guys.
• 1:20:18
  Well, that is Basket Case for us this week.
• 1:20:21
  Jon: But
• 1:20:21
  Kearns: get out of here 'cause
• 1:20:22
  Jon: we, we
• 1:20:22
  Kearns: a long episode on a really interesting movie,
• 1:20:24
  but an hour-and-a-half movie.
• 1:20:28
  The episode for the
• 1:20:29
  Jon: had
• 1:20:29
  Kearns: is longer than the film.
• 1:20:31
  So,
• 1:20:31
  Jon: good time.
• 1:20:32
  We got to some interesting things.
• 1:20:38
  Enjoy this episode, guys.
• 1:20:39
  Kearns: sir.
• 1:20:40
  Ryan: and like and subscribe.
• 1:20:41
  Come on now.
• 1:20:44
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:20:44
  Kearns: Later
• 1:20:46
  Ryan: Deuces.
• 1:20:48
  Jon: See ya.