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How Many Raptures Will There Be? · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: So JB here we are again in our new podcast.
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  Speaker 2: So I appreciate your time. And we've done some TV
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  Speaker 2: programs for starting this new podcast, which is great because
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  Speaker 2: we really feel the end is coming. I mean in
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  Speaker 2: the sense of all these things are converging. What you
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  Speaker 2: write about your book, where we'll discuss out on another podcast.
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  Speaker 2: But let's talk about let's talk about the Preacher rapture,
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  Speaker 2: but specifically this idea of the partial rapture.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you and I discussed that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Dwight Pentecost wrote about this and things to
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  Speaker 2: come fifty some years ago, so it's nothing new. But
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  Speaker 2: for those there's many that are getting caught up into
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  Speaker 2: in the idea of hey, am I qualified do what
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  Speaker 2: do I need to be doing in order to am
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  Speaker 2: I going to do? I need to do this or
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  Speaker 2: think this or view this in order to make the rapture?
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  Speaker 2: What is required? Well, first give us a background for
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  Speaker 2: the partial rapture?
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  Speaker 3: What is it? And then let's answer let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so all of the erroneous understandings of the timing
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  Speaker 4: of the rapture suffer from the same fatal flaw, and
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  Speaker 4: that is a failure to understand God's plan for Israel
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  Speaker 4: and God's plan for Church. And when you miss that distinction,
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  Speaker 4: then you start coming up with all sorts of theories
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  Speaker 4: about when the rapture might happen. But the partial rapture
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  Speaker 4: view is essentially the view that the more spiritually you are,
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  Speaker 4: the more likely you are to get raptured earlier. And
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  Speaker 4: so when you reach a certain level of maturity and
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  Speaker 4: you know Christ's likeness, then you'll be raptured. But other
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  Speaker 4: people aren't quite qualified yet, so they're going to take
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  Speaker 4: a little longer. And they get that from a variety
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  Speaker 4: of passages that seem to talk about watch that do
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  Speaker 4: talk about watchfulness and eagerly awaiting the return of the
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  Speaker 4: Lord and all that.
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  Speaker 3: The ten versions is a big one that's used.
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  Speaker 1: Yea.
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  Speaker 4: But so the problem with taking those that way is,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, they're not conditional. It doesn't say if
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  Speaker 4: you're watching you will get raptured. It just says those
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  Speaker 4: who are watching will get raptured. Well, those who are
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  Speaker 4: not watching will get raptured too. So, for example, in
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  Speaker 4: First Thessalonians chapter five, Paul actually explicitly sort of refuse
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  Speaker 4: this notion of the parcel rapture, you know, long before
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  Speaker 4: it ever became a thing. Listen to what he says
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  Speaker 4: in First Thessalonians five. He says, you, brethren, are not
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  Speaker 4: in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as
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  Speaker 4: a thief. You are all sons of the light and
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  Speaker 4: sons of the day. We are not of the night
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  Speaker 4: nor of darkness. Therefore, let us not sleep as others do,
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  Speaker 4: but let us watch and be sober. For those who
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  Speaker 4: sleep sleep at night. Those who get drunk get drunk
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  Speaker 4: at night. But let us who are of the day
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  Speaker 4: be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love
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  Speaker 4: and the helmet of hope, and as a helmet of
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  Speaker 4: hope of salvation, for God has not appointed us to wrath,
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  Speaker 4: but to obtain a salvation. And so the fact is,
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  Speaker 4: even those who are asleep, meaning not watching, are going
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  Speaker 4: to be caught up. Because he says, whether you sleep
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  Speaker 4: or whether you are awake, you will be caught up.
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  Speaker 3: He's not talking about like laying my head down to sleep,
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  Speaker 3: is he No? No, he uses it's a figurative language.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a different word for sleep than what he uses
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  Speaker 4: in chapter four, when he talks about sleep as a
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  Speaker 4: euphemism for death. Yes, you know, not all you know,
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  Speaker 4: those who have sleep in Christ, those who have died.
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  Speaker 4: Here it's a different word. And he's talking here about
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  Speaker 4: just not paying attention, not being watchful. So not only that,
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  Speaker 4: but we see the same watchfulness language that is sometimes
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  Speaker 4: applied to the Rapture applied to the Second Coming.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Agree, in the in the tribulation period, Israel is to
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  Speaker 4: be watchful, look up, be watchful, your redemption drums. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Does that mean that if they're not watchful, that the
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  Speaker 4: Second Coming won't apply to some parts of Israel? No,
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  Speaker 4: of course not. It's it's a it's a global thing.
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  Speaker 4: When Christ comes back, he's going to separate the sheet
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  Speaker 4: from the goats. Is what's going to be reathered into
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  Speaker 4: the land and the kingdom starts. So I just think
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  Speaker 4: they're they're missing the boat harmoneutically by you know, misunderstanding
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  Speaker 4: these exhortations to watchfulness.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think to me it also comes down
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  Speaker 2: to potentially again hermaeutically and misunderstanding soteriology salvation. Because I
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  Speaker 2: guess you're pastors. So here's my question to you on
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  Speaker 2: Sunday morning. Whenever you got one hundred and fifty people there,
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  Speaker 2: are you one hundred percent sure that every single one.
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  Speaker 3: Of them are saved?
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  Speaker 4: Of course not no.
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  Speaker 3: So you imagine Paul writing you a letter.
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  Speaker 2: You're the pastor of Theessalonian Church, You're get up there,
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  Speaker 2: you read it, And just because that letter is given
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  Speaker 2: to a church doesn't automatically say that everybody that is
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  Speaker 2: in the church is saved. So my point being is
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  Speaker 2: that always there's always a mixture. And I think Paul
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  Speaker 2: is writing about the true church.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Theologians will talk about the visible church versus the invisible church,
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  Speaker 2: and we have those this distinction, But Paul's writing about
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  Speaker 2: those who are truly saved from God. I mean from
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  Speaker 2: God's perspective, that when the rapture happens, those that are
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  Speaker 2: truly in Christ from God's perspective.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise, what's the standard?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, it's not a condition anymore
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  Speaker 4: than there are conditions attached to eternal self. The only
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  Speaker 4: condition is faith. Right, So there is one response. You
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  Speaker 4: have to accept the free gift. It's not forced upon you. Right,
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  Speaker 4: you have just as Adam, and you've had a choice
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  Speaker 4: to sin. We have a choice to receive God's remedy
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  Speaker 4: for sin. It's not automatic. When Christ died for the
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  Speaker 4: sins of the world, he died to make every person savable.
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  Speaker 4: He was appreciation for our sins, not for ours only,
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  Speaker 4: but the sins of the whole world. First John two too.
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  Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that everybody's saved. That would be universalism.
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  Speaker 4: And we know that, you know, the unbelievers will end
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  Speaker 4: up in hell, so you've got to believe it. And
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  Speaker 4: and so that's the only condition. But the fact of
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  Speaker 4: the matter is when it relates to the rapture again,
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  Speaker 4: it goes back to what I say Tod at the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: If you're not understanding the distinction when it is on
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  Speaker 4: the Church, you're going to end up all over the
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  Speaker 4: map on your understanding the rapture. But the condition for
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  Speaker 4: being included in the rapture is that you're part of
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  Speaker 4: the bride of Christ. You're not under the wrath of God.
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  Speaker 4: You're a child of God, not a child of wrath.
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  Speaker 2: That you know.
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  Speaker 4: The Church age is over. God's spotlight is shifting once
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  Speaker 4: again to Israel. Off of the Church. Israel becomes center
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  Speaker 4: states that's the reason the church is never mentioned in
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  Speaker 4: Revelation after chapter three. So you know, this concept of
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  Speaker 4: merging the two, I think is just is really foundational.
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  Speaker 4: That's why you get the mid triview, the post tribe,
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  Speaker 4: and all these other the multiple reps pre wrath view.
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  Speaker 3: So you might not make this rapture, but you make
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  Speaker 3: the next one. You're like, well, I read that. Come.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, But the partial rapture to me is the easiest
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  Speaker 4: one to you know, to refute scripturally. I mean, if
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  Speaker 4: you understand dispensational theology and and and the literal grammatical
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  Speaker 4: historical approach to scripture, they're all pretty clear. But the
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  Speaker 4: partial one is kind of an outlier. You just don't
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  Speaker 4: see very many proponents of that.
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  Speaker 2: And so the uh speak for a moment in intermaining
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  Speaker 2: time here that someone who gets caught up into this
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  Speaker 2: that the unnecessary burden and fear and anxiety that they
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  Speaker 2: might have.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, how is it a blessed hope if
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  Speaker 4: you're always worrying? Am I good enough? Am I watchful enough?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm spiritually mature enough? What if I don't get rescued?
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  Speaker 4: Every passage on the raption in the New Testament has
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  Speaker 4: a comforting exhortation, even though on we just read he
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  Speaker 4: goes on to say in verse eleven from First's five,
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  Speaker 4: therefore comfort each other and edify one another just as
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  Speaker 4: you are doing. It's not very comforting if you have
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  Speaker 4: to meet some subjective standard that's clearly not spelled out
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  Speaker 4: in scripture. And wonder am I really going to get raptured?
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  Speaker 4: Or maybe I got left behind?
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  Speaker 3: Don't know.
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  Speaker 4: The rapture is a promise, it's a commitment. Jesus didn't
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  Speaker 4: qualify it when he told the disciples in the upper room,
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  Speaker 4: you know I'm going to prepare a place for you
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  Speaker 4: that someday you will be where I am. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: put a little aster could say at least most of
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  Speaker 4: you or some viewer. Eventually it's a one time thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the heart the challenging pire, I think is oftentimes
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  Speaker 2: we know from Matthew seven twenty one through twenty three
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  Speaker 2: that there are those that profess. But Jesus said, I
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  Speaker 2: never knew you, so you know, I don't know. Again,
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  Speaker 2: people that are at Sunday morning at the church service,
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  Speaker 2: they might be professing to know God.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know anybody's heart.
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  Speaker 2: I can't that's not my job, and so are there
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  Speaker 2: going to be those on that day that have professed?
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  Speaker 3: And then Jesus said, I never knew you. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we see that.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, if what all
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  Speaker 2: I can do is worry about Mondo in the sense
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  Speaker 2: of do I have faith in Jesus, do I trust
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  Speaker 2: them for my salvation, for all of it to pay
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  Speaker 2: off for all of my sins, pastors and future.
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  Speaker 4: Amen, And Jesus promises if you do that John six
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  Speaker 4: forty seven, verily barely ash Andy, who ever believes in
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  Speaker 4: me has present tense, eternal Eiah.
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  Speaker 3: And they're put in the body of Christ.
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  Speaker 2: Amend Amen.
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