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Episode #261: Fauci's Reckoning, Stephen A. Smith's Apology & When Forgiveness Isn't Enough · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_03: When is it enough?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, what is it that people in the medical freedom space, what do they want?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: When is the f when is forgiveness not enough?
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's say, for example, that tomorrow Fauci hold a press conference, you know, and was down on his knees, repentant and remorseful, and you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Indeed, I was wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, imagine the most penitent thing you can imagine.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Should he still be punished in some way?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another Beyond Labels podcast with yours truly, the farmer Joel Salatin, and my favorite sidekick, Dr.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Today we're going to do a couple of um current events, and uh I'm gonna flip it right over to Cena really, really quick.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh, we've got two things we want to discuss.
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  SPEAKER_01: One is the um Anthony Fauci hearings and updates, and then secondly, the childhood vaccination uh schedule uh proposed changes, and um we'll dig right into those.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cena, go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, Fauci is in the news again.
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  SPEAKER_03: The Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that was the committee that he was subpoenaed to go um and testify in front of, and he invoked the Fifth Amendment right 111 times.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that committee has voted to hold Dr.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: Anthony Fauci in contempt of Congress.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_03: The vote was 8-7, and it was along party lines.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Joel, Congress doesn't actually have the power to prosecute or convict somebody of a crime.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: So the House or the Senate can vote to approve a resolution, um, you know, finding a person in contempt, but then they have to refer the matter, you know, over to the um executive branch for prosecution.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: So the committee did vote and it got passed, and then it's supposed to go.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: So this has become controversial now.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and they're asking if this is a if if this will constitutionally hold, because instead of then sending um the resolution to the Senate to the full chamber for a vote, and then once they pass it, it could be sent to the DOJ, Department of Justice.
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  SPEAKER_03: Rand Paul just skipped that step.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, Rand Paul, who is the committee chair, he just sent it over to the DOJ.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's being contended right now.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is that even a legal thing to do?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is it constitutional?
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  SPEAKER_03: And basically, what this comes down to is the they're asking the question: can you plead the Fifth Amendment when you're pardoned?
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: And can you plead the Fifth Amendment after you gave an opening statement, like Fauci did in front of the committee?
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  SPEAKER_03: So, so that's one thing that's going on right now with Fauci.
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  SPEAKER_03: The other is uh his text messages, his phone was um was intercepted, the phone that he was using uh while director, uh, you know, in in NIH.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: And now people are going through his text messages.
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  SPEAKER_03: And apparently this is a uh a government-issued phone, is what they're saying.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_03: So they have a right to go through these text messages.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Joel, one of the text messages showed, this was from January 2021, that he had a discussion about the theoretical risks of miscarriage of women in their first trimester who received the the COVID jab.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: And he had this conversation with health officials, uh, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Rochelle Walensky, who was the CDC director at the time, um, and also the Surgeon General.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: And basically, he said that theoretically there's a risk because of the cytokine storm and fever.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he said this in text messages with these other officials, but then he went to the public and said that there are no red flags.
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  SPEAKER_03: So this is causing another huge firestorm for him in the news media.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, Senator Johnson came out, like just, I mean, swinging, just swinging.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: He said that there was a study that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2021.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's around the same time period as these text messages.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this was after, so this was after this text message of the initial concern.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Fauci said that he was initially concerned because there were 827 pregnancies that were exposed to the mRNA vaccine, and 104 had what they called a spontaneous abortion.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: He said we would call it a miscarriage.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but now this is this is what Johnson is saying is that there was in a way kind of a cover-up here.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Johnson's saying that the numbers in that study were skewed.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's saying that of those 827 pregnancies in that study, 700 of those women got the vaccination um in the third trimester.
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  SPEAKER_03: Whereas 127 of them uh got them in um in the trimester one or two.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so they got the shot in the first or second trimester.
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  SPEAKER_03: Among those 127 women, that's where the 104 miscarriages actually occurred, according to Johnson.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that means that 82% of the women who got the injection in the in the first or second trimester had a miscarriage.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's 82%.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what what they're saying is, what Johnson is saying is in these text messages to officials, he said, yes, this is a theoretical radical concern.
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  SPEAKER_03: But then in public, he said, no, there's not a problem.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then this study came out saying, oh no, there's not an increase in miscarriages.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: But basically he's saying that the study was not, um, the data wasn't looked at properly, that there were actually 82% of miscarriages.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: So now it's sparked uh you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, Cena, you know, Cena, that that is, I I don't want our listeners to miss this.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is this is um this is statistic malfeasance.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you do a study, I mean just think about this.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm just trying to put this, you know, I'm I'm just a layman here, you know, I'm not like you.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just a I'm just a layman.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so here we have a study of eight hundred and twenty-four um eight hundred and twenty-four pregnancies.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: So eight hundred and twenty-seven.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Eight hundred and twenty-seven, sorry.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Eight hundred and twenty-seven pregnancies exposed.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: A hundred and twenty-seven are from the first and second trimester, and that would make seven hundred in the third trimester.
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  SPEAKER_01: Of the hundred and twenty-seven in the first and second trimester, a hundred and four had miscarriages.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And of the seven hundred in the third trimester, apparently none had miscarriages.
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  SPEAKER_01: To to you know, to to add to make the numbers add up correctly.
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  SPEAKER_01: My point is that anyone you don't have to be a numbers geek or a statistics geek to look at those two things and realize, well, the timing in the pregnancy is everything then.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it's early, we've got a problem.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: If it's late, we don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: That that would be what anyone looking at those numbers would would come up with.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but Fauci completely disregarded the whole thing.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was seeing it just as a side note, uh, in 20, I don't know, 2021, late 2021, 2022, early, um, I did a I did a farm consult for a couple down in in Tennessee.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the wife was a um she worked in uh data for the Department of Defense and in you know in uh monitoring health.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: And she said she said that uh they had a a just an explosion of miscarriages.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: So the so women women in the military, you know, um and she said they had an absolute explosion of miscarriages.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: She was keeping the data, she was keeping the numbers, and she saw it.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: She told me that in you know early on uh that that that that they were seeing it at the Department of Defense.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because they can't they keep you know, DOD keeps some pretty pretty uh um uh specific you know numbers and data points on you know how many people are getting colds, how many people are I mean, because they want to keep a you know an effective um healthy fighting force.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so they have probably as um as precise and comprehensive a data bank as any as any group of people in the in the culture.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: And she said there's no question but what the jabs are creating miscarriages.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and women knew this.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: Women were reporting it, you know, as as as it was rolling out, and they were basically ignored or told that that can't be possible.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just it's another, I think that it's another example of the lack of humility in the medical system.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: It was a new, it was an experimental product.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: We all knew that.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: It was first time rolling this type of technology out.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: We you would you would hope that we would have a system that would listen to the people who are actually receiving the product, right?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: And what other and maybe there are, but I'm thinking, what other industries do you have where you have a product roll out and the the company is not listening to feedback on the product, right?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: To make it better, to improve it, to make changes, because they want the consumer's business, they want the consumer to keep coming back, you know, and buying more and more product from them.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's a really interesting situation.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's possibly because there's just, as we've talked about before, there isn't that accountability.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of money involved, and there's not the accountability because it was emergency youth author authorization.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but but Joel, the I think the bigger picture, what's more interesting to me about these stories that are coming out, and about Fauci making all these headlines, and you know, social media is on fire.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um there's a lot of comedians that are now poking fun of Fauci.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there's, of course, some media defending him, right?
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Some are staying silent, some are defending him.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there's prominent sports figures who are jumping in uh and basically feeling vindicated.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like Aaron Rodgers was being interviewed, and he talked about how Fauci is a quote, absolute coward.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, went on and on in his segment about because you know, Aaron Rodgers, of course, was one of the most prominent sports figures who refused to get the jab and talked about he promoted natural immunity.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: So and and he and he was and and at the time he was vilified.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: He was vilified for it.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: He was very much vilified.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and what's interesting about this is that while some people are coming out and saying, hey, like they're taking a victory lap in essence, and they're saying, We we won this one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like the evidence is clear, you know, he he invoked the fifth 11 times, you know, he looked guilty.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what the resounding message was.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like he, it's a bad look for him.
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  SPEAKER_03: He looked guilty.
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  SPEAKER_03: And now we have more information from the text messages piling on top of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the light is shining on the situation.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it and it does look bad for him.
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  SPEAKER_03: And people are saying, yes, we won.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is our victory lab.
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  SPEAKER_03: And another thing happened.
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  SPEAKER_03: Another person come at came out.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you know who Stephen A.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: Smith is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before you jump on that, Cena, let me just say uh two months ago, I had I had the chance to uh to be to be on stage in Wisconsin with Senator Ron Johnson and do and do a one-on-one um Q ⁇ A with him.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: And he came on.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: He had just gotten this dump of information and was just just uh furious over all this that had happened.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so you know I I let him do his 10-minute opening, you know, um monologue.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: And my first question to him, so the two of us are on stage, just the two of us, um, and and I asked him, I said, so so when is uh President Trump gonna apologize for Operation Warp Speed?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: And he he got this you know kind of little bit of a a grin and he said he said he said, I think it's a blind spot.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I think Trump Of course, you know, we we could we could make a joke and say, well, when does Trump apologize for anything?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um and that that would probably be uh accurate.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: But um but anyway, he he says a blind spot.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: He said he said there it's c it's obvious that Operation Warp Speed was horrible for the country.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: He said, he said it's it's it's incontrovertible, but Trump can't bring himself to you know to acknowledge it or apologize for it.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: But see you know this this evidence is just mounting by the day.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: It is mounting, and you know, to add on to that, Kennedy himself praised Operation Warp Speed, right?
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: He he agreed in the I think it was the congressional hearing that Trump deserves some Nobel Prize for it and called it genius.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's it's horrible.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and um, you know, another thing that piled on top of it is uh FOIA emails were acquired by um by ICANN, and ICANN is the Informed Consent Action Network with Aaron Siri, and they work with Bell Del Big Tree.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: And uh Epoch Times actually just did a story on this.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: The the FOIA email showed that there are neurological problems that happened after the vaccine began to be used, and that people within NIH and FDA um said that these adverse events needed to be documented and the public needed to be aware of it, and it was killed.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: They did not let it out.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: So that goes toward there was no informed consent, right?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_03: You cannot consent to something if the truth is being hidden uh about that medical product.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: So, so that's another thing that has recently come out.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so what's happened is something that I I wanted to get your take on today.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: So have you heard of Stephen A.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: Smith?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so yeah, he's a he's a he's a real, he, he's a he's got a um a huge following in the sports community and and beyond the sports community.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the guy is, I mean, the people are trying to get him to run for president.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's a he's a real mover and a shaker.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so he was um an ESPN star.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: He was the face of first take.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, he debated sports topics, um, week weekday warnings.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh he's an MBA analyst.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh he basically is a prominent American sports uh television personality.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so what happened was after, right after uh the the hearing where Fauci pleaded the fifth 111 times, Stephen A.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: Smith came out and he apologized to Kyrie Irving.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so Kyrie Irving is an athlete and uh he refused to get the jab.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: And Stephen Smith just beat on him for it, just relentlessly beat on him, and it cost him a lot of money.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, yeah, because they wouldn't let him play.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: They want to let him play, and potentially in losing, like, you know, um uh endorsements, like sponsorships and things like that.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I wanted to play for anybody who hasn't listened, it heard it yet.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: I want to just play this first part of this apology and I want to get your take on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay because, ladies and gentlemen, I have something that I've done in the past but I haven't had to do, but so much in my career, I just feel compelled to do it today.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the issue.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: An apology.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's several people that we all owe apologies to, and I'll put myself at the front of the list, but none more so than the apology that I owe to Kyrie Irvin.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: The reality is that Kyrie Irvin, no matter what we think, may have been more right than we have given him credit for, and unquestionably was more vilified than he deserved.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: And ladies and gentlemen, it starts with me.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's telling y'all before on many, many occasions, I'm a man.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that gives you I mean, that's the kind of person you follow.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a leader.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's a leader.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so okay, when I heard the apology, now I didn't know about him, right?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not a huge sports fanatic like my husband.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: My husband was streaming it um and while he was working out, he hears this.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: He comes running downstairs to tell me, oh my goodness, you have to hear this.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: Stephen A.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Smith just apologized for like 45 minutes, Joel.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: This whole thing is about this apology, right?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: And my husband was excited about it.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I listened to it.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: I actually started tearing up during part of it.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm thinking, wow, the tables are turning.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like this is what we wanted.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: This is what people, you know, in the medical freedom movement wanted.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: We just wanted somebody, you know, to start this hopeful tidal wave of people saying, you know what?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: I hear you and I see you.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: And we were wrong.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so I'm thinking, oh, this is really cool.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, then I start reading comments under the under his video, and I started watching other people's reactions.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's what I want to talk to you today.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: The reaction to his, the reaction to his reaction to Fauci's fleeting the fifth.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: So there's there's a lot, a lot of people saying that it was it's too little too late.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: His apology is too little too late, that it's it's not authentic, that he must have an agenda here, that you know, it's is not enough for you just to apologize.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: You need to give him money for, you know, the losses uh that he that um Kyrie Irving experienced because of you.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: And because, you know, he really Stephen A.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: Smith really did bash him a lot.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so so I I wanted this brought up a a a question for me is when is it enough?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what is it that people in the medical freedom space what do they want?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: When is a f when is forgiveness not enough?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I mean, when is an apology not enough?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: I I understand there's um and I'm not defending him by any means, you know.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: I I I'm not supportive of what he did, of course.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but you're one of the first people that I thought of when I'm reading all these comments and I'm listening to other people saying, oh, it's not enough.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: He's not authentic, you know, he just wants to run for president, so now he wants to be on the right side of history, and da da da.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: That may be true.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone has motives, right?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what his motive is, but you are one of the first people I thought of because of your strong Christian values.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: But wow.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: Would you accept that apology?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like, should we not accept it?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Should we be saying, oh, it's not enough?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: We need more from you.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: I unlike you, Cena, I I saw, I saw the apology, saw what he said, but I did not look at the comments.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: So you've you've sleuthed this, you know, uh more than more than I did.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um probably partly because I don't know how to access the comments.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: But but anyway, um you're you you took this a direction that surprised me.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: I I wasn't expecting this, so you kind of caught me a little bit off guard here.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: But um I I think we we have we have a real we have a real problem as humans, don't we, uh between justice and mercy.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: And um my sense is so so just from what you've said to me, I would absolutely accept the apology.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: But but with this caveat, here's the thing Yes, the apology is enough to absolve, I mean, to absolve uh whatever, you know, vengeance or whatever, you know, justice.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: What is the justice?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well he he he maybe maybe his vilification had um monetary uh uh um implications.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm thinking of of Zacchaeus, you know, and the sycamore tree, the, you know, Jesus and Zacchaeus and the sycamore tree, and uh Zacchaeus was a tax collector, and he uh wants to follow uh Jesus and uh and so um what he does is he says if I have def if I have taken money from anybody uh illegally, I'm gonna restore it fourfold.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So if I stole a dollar, I'm gonna give him four dollars in return.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you know, that's that's going above and beyond board.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I I I can get that.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it's it's not it's not always compelled.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so or you know, there there's no there's no whatever biblical injunction, if you steal money, you've got to give four times what you took.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: There, there's that's just a story, that's what Zacchaeus did.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and you have to you have to applaud him for it.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, he went, you know, he went above and beyond the call of duty.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's the that that's the kind of the implication there.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so um I I I think if Stephen A.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Smith did anything more than apology, it would be it would be helpful, but it's not it's not demanded or commanded.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: And at the same time, we have to accept what a public I mean just here's here's here's a celebrity, a public figure, huge, huge brand, huge reputation, and he goes on national his his national platform and does a Mia Kulpa.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta hand it to him.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: You you gotta hand it to him.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so I accept it.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I I don't I don't require anything more.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: What I do require now is going forward, now that this has gone down, he needs to be aggressively questioning, questioning every single additional government narrative that there is.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and and you know, he he has chosen, you know, he didn't have to choose to get involved in politics, okay, but he did.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: He did.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so now that he's gotten involved in politics and has seen the emperor has no clothes, that apology will ring really, really hollow if going forward he doesn't continue to question the entire mainstream narrative.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where that's where my justice comes in.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't demand that he compensate um compensate Irving for his loss, losses.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it'd be it'd be nice, but I wouldn't I wouldn't demand that I don't think ill of him for not doing it.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um But what I do demand is the proof's gonna be in the pudding going forward the next time there's some you know the the next time you you uh stip your little toe into politics let's see some um let's see some questioning, some serious questioning about the narrative.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that that's my justice part.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: The whole mercy justice thing is a you know is a is a really, really tough um tough thing.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Justice obviously being punishment, generally is is considered the punishment part.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um the apology is the is the throwing yourself on the you know on the mercy of people part.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: And there's there's a tension there.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's a tension and and we we tend to we that pendulum you know hangs on different sides.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if it's if it's somebody else being wronged, I can be pretty merciful pretty quick.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: If it's me being wronged, uh I don't show mercy as quickly.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that's just that's just human nature.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so I want I want uh some some ret some punishment, some retribution.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, that's why that's why we have you know courts uh and and every every judge, every ruling, isn't it, is uh is a tension between mercy and justice.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why, that's why, you know, if a person comes in and just throws themselves, yes, I'm so sorry I did wrong, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: Usually there's a little bit of mercy in that kind of thing, as opposed to, I don't care, I killed him and I'm glad.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I'd have killed him 20 years earlier.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna be much mercy.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's it's all and it's all gonna be justice.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and even um, so Kyrie Irving could come out and I mean he could sue him, right?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: You can sue somebody for anything.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: So he could sue to get you know that that justice part.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it's up to him.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's when we when we um, as of right now, he has not come out and made a comment uh either way about the apology um from Stephen A.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Smith.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, what I thought was also interesting was on that right around that same time period when Stephen A.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: Smith apologized, he brought Rand Paul onto his show.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: And Rand Paul talked about how um how if he would have shown mercy himself.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: So if let's say Tony Fauci, Anthony Fauci came, uh, you know, uh, I know where you're going with, yeah, yeah, you're you're going a good direction with this.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that you know, he himself, um, Rand Paul himself said, if he would have just said, you know, like we didn't have all the information, or we made a mistake, or, you know, like I'm I'm sorry, then he would have stopped.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: He wouldn't have kept pressing and pressing, you know, and referred this to the DOJ.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: He said that would have been enough.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, and but yet Fauci didn't, and that's why he's pursuing it.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that's right.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: That that that is that is absolutely my whole point, that that the remorse, the remorse, if if it's heartfelt remorse, the the the all the only charitable thing to do is to show mercy.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: All of us can make mistakes.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: My aren't we glad that we don't get justice every time we make a mistake.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: But but there's a difference between between a I mean, I mean, and and and the the the Torah, the you know, the the Levitical Um, you know, Jewish law has a big difference between, you know, that that's why there were the cities of refuge.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: The the seven cities of refuge was for a person who um who for murder who um killed somebody um you know accidentally, you know, the axe head flies off of your axe and the head flies off and you know and and kills the guy you're working with.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now, now it's also clear in that law that if you knew the axe head was loose, you're now completely liable.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: But if you didn't know it was loose, it's like the guy with an ox.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: If if a if a guy has an ox that pushes, that's that's an ornery pusher and you know kills somebody, uh, you're liable.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: But if the ox was always docile and never hurt a soul and suddenly one day turns and then you're not liable.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, accidental death, you had the city as a refuge, you could run there and and um and and get protection if you could prove that it was accidental.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: If it was not accidental, that's why there's such a huge difference between an accidental death versus you know uh um voluntary versus involuntary manslaughter.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, was it premeditated?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Premeditated murder is a whole lot worse than something that happened in the moment and certainly an acc a completely accidental death.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, the the the car, you know, the the car uh accelerator stuck and ran into a tree and my passenger was killed.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's a whole different ball game.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh unless, unless you knew that the um accelerator stuck all the time.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these are all these are all nuances, but but but but uh but but they do they do tease out, they do tease out the the power, the equity, the emotional and cultural equity power of remorse.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: And and and the problem with Fauci right now is he has shown not a scintilla of remorse.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: He has, in fact, he in in the face of all this, he has doubled down as a as an as an arrogant.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I won't uh there's not enough English to um not enough English to say what I think um on public uh on this venue, but um he he's digging in his heels, and that's that's what makes people on our side seeing that's what makes people on our side just grind our teeth and you know this this man can't can't he have the human decency to realize what a you know what a uh whatever what what evil what I'll just say what what evil he did.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: But but he he can't bring himself to that.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: And and neither can President Trump.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: And they both should.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and that's why that that that's that's why that's why we keep p we kept we keep picking at the wound, we can't get closure because these parties at fault show zero remorse for the calls they made.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: And we know that they were evil, horrible calls.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, and I would say, you know, so some of sometimes some of the decisions I just chalk up to incompetence, you know, when we're talking about bureaucratic things, there's there's a lot of incompetent decisions that are made.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: And a lot of decisions that are made because people can't don't have the foresight to think through of unintended consequences, you know.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um unfortunately, in this situation, it does seem to be that the diary that he kept on the on the federal device and the text messages are showing that it wasn't just incompetence, you know, that it it was actually hiding things for a particular agenda, uh which you know, which was in favor of big pharma, for example.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so power control money.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um I but and the whole and and the whole and the whole gain of function, the whole gain of function research, which was not supposed to happen, but he surreptitiously routed money through shell, you know, through through uh played a shell game, shell game with the money uh to continue doing it even when it was uh illegal.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and so so that's my big point, is that the reason it would it's so important for Fauci and Trump to come out and have some humility is so that there's accountability, so that it doesn't happen again.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like I'm sitting there saying, Oh, I need Fauci to apologize like just for my own personal need.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's for the health of and the future of our nation, for the republic.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: Because if there's no accountability, the next person can get in there and think they're gonna get away with something just as egregious, you know?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so it's up to us to say, no, you know, you duped some of us, and those people are now wide awake.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so we're gonna hold you guys accountable.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's what it comes down to in the end is how do we not repeat this same mistake over?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: To not repeat it, you need uh the light to shine on it, which is happening, and then you need the accountability.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so, to your point, we'll see what's what um what Steven does moving forward.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: And if he does want to run for office, I hope that he has learned his lesson that it is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and you can't just jump on the bandwagon and say what's the most popular thing to say at that time so that you get the ratings or this so that you're accepted.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and that's what we that's what we see that a lot of politicians do.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: So it's and and that that's why that's why you and I are often on the on the opposite side of the mainstream narrative, because the mainstream narrative is usually um, unfortunately, it's usually wrong.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's why our founders were scared to death of a true democracy because they called it mob rule.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And and um as we as we see other things progress, um, you know, we we see that kind of thing developing.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, it it's unfortunate.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I mean, I I think of I mean I I don't wanna I don't want to cheapen cheapen Nazism with Fauci.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I mean I'm thinking of the the Nazi war crime, you know, the the trials after uh Hitler and and then you know when they brought him to Israel and and those and most of them were um most of them were completely unapologetic.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're following orders, we did what we were told.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, no heart culpability in what was done.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that that's my that's my demand.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when these when these uh I mean uh jump into you know the run-ins we've had with you know regulators here to try to tell us that it, you know, what we do, you know, butchering chickens outdoors is inherently, you know, um uh unsafe and illegal and and things, um, and and and reading by the book and and you show them that we're 25 times cleaner than than their chicken, you know, it ought at least give them pause.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: But no, they've got they've got a rule book.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: They got a little rule book here, they got sent out with this little rule book, and you just want to say, did you leave your heart at your out to office?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh um and and but but but bureaucracy has no heart.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: It it just has no heart.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: And um and and and I think I think this illustrates it.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: It it runs it runs on a different set of um energy and a different set of value.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: And there's no there's no empathy.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the the farmer, the farmer that gets drugged into a half a million dollar uh federal suit because he um he put a drainage ditch in a in a two-acre uh wetland so he could graze cows on it.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um there there's there's no there's no heart in that.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's just no heart in that.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, this I'm so glad you brought that up because this reminds me, I was thinking the other day, there's a lot, there are there's a good percentage of people who are defending Fauci and saying, you know, saying that all these measures that were taken during COVID, during the shutdown, were were needed and they were valued.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: And in essence, like they would do it again.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I started thinking, well, so why?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: Why would they um why are they not wanting to see even in Fauci's own words, like the truth that's coming out?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: And so um I ran across an article that was talking about how it was written during the shutdowns, and it was talking about how the brave thing to do is to stay inside your home.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it started me thinking that there is there is this psychology behind what happened that I don't know that many of us have really tapped into yet.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, during uh we've talked a lot on this program about how many of us have never really felt like loved and accepted, right?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: And so we don't feel worthy, we don't feel valued.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, during the the lockdowns and the whole covet ordeal, some people did derive a felt sense of being valued by being compliant.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: They felt valued, they felt um like they had importance, right?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: They had a purpose.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like they were, they were helping, they were helping the cause.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: They were helping the greater good, you know, and you've talked about this a lot too, like even raising children.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_03: One of the most important things you can do is give them meaningful uh purpose, uh meaningful like tasks that have a purpose behind them.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: So they have a sense of purpose and that helps them feel loved and safe and secure and special and empowers them.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I think one of the things that I realize is that in this culture, we we are such we are lacking that um on many different levels.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so for some people, they have a positive association with what happened because perhaps even for the first time in their lives, they felt like they were doing something that was important, that mattered, that they mattered.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: Their sacrifice mattered.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: It was like a form of charity.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: I I have an I have another take, Zina, on that.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, not not not it not a disagreement, but but uh uh another take.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: My take is yeah, as I watched, I mean, I I watched not the whole hearings by any means, uh, enough to just be completely um whatever frustrated.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and and and after it was all over, you know, the the partisanship, the Republican-Democrat, I mean, not a single Democrat uh question.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, where I am on this, the reason for the um for the for the foul I'll just say for the Fauci defense, the reason that that is so aggressive is because the people who are defending Fauci are defending a big government interventive.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Political, cultural desire.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: And they, they absolutely, the folks who think that salvation comes from the government, that you and I are too stupid to make decisions, and the government has to protect us from ourselves, to, you know, educate our kids, to give us a retirement program, to um uh to stamp a permission on our food uh and our health and all that, um, they cannot afford, Cena, they cannot afford to have anything impugn the federal government because it's the be all, end all, it is the it is the cultural benefactor of everything that's good.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so if they if they uh um accept if they accept that this top bureaucrat was an unrighteous liar, cheating, greedy, selfish, uh, self-absorbed, narcissistic, uh, evil person, then they suddenly open themselves up to, oh wow, oh wow.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe bureaucrats are as dishonest as business people, maybe they're as dishonest as, you know, billionaires.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and so and so they can't, they can't philosophically, uh, they can't bring themselves to admit that an entire that an entire uh governmental superstructure completely collapsed into into a maelstrom of dishonesty because then every additional edict could be questioned.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, that is the primary reason why the the the progressive, the liberal edge of this cannot bring themselves to question um to question Fauci uh uh because their whole their whole geopolitical paradigm would collapse.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you mean the government can be wrong?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, you know, uh individuals can be right and the government can be wrong?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, yeah, uh that can happen.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: But but but they can't their whole their whole um reason for existence revolves around the government being right, the government being more noble than than you and me and business and other things.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so they can't afford to jeopardize that that basic um uh worldview.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because their world their worldview crumbles, but also their sense of purpose crumbles, everything they've been working for.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I think both are uh both are underpinning what is your purpose.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: So so the question is, um, oh, question for you.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, because this this is uh a topic of forgiveness for not just this situation, but all of us in life, you know, um how to uh forgiveness is a thing that a lot of us struggle with.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: So, Joel, if you know, if if Mother Earth News, you know, and you may want to just quickly update people on what happened with Mother Earth News if they don't know already, because my question is to you is if Mother Earth News came to you and apologized, would you work with them again?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: Would you write for them again?
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Would you collaborate with them?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, absolutely, and I have told them that.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: I bear no ill will and would would would jump in full bore tomorrow.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um no no problem.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: No problem.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mother Earth News banned us in 2020 for being um from uh uh they they said that I was a racist.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: And um and so you know they canceled me and and um it was a pretty big flap.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I I didn't say much about it.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um and in fact they didn't say much about it.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was done um, but it had it had large repercussions and people found out about it, and um they haven't done another they haven't done another fair since.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, people boycotted them, like in defense of you.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: People boycotted them instead of Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, a lot.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um thousands, thousands.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, I I I have made it very clear to them that uh if we had an apology, we would um, you know, uh I I'd go on just like before without even a a bobble.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: It wouldn't be in a problem.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow, so you practice what you preach.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, try to, not not always, not always, but you know, um the the love chapter, 1 Corinthians 13, um, you know, love does not keep a record of wrongs.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: And that's one of the that's one of the first um stipulations of of love does not keep a record of wrongs.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: So uh if if you really if you really believe somebody has has a good faith effort, and so that's where I am with with Stephen A.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Smith.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think, I think he really did have a come to humility, uh, you know, uh a remorseful, repentant moment.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm willing to I'm willing to extend every benefit of the doubt to him.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I'm not asking for you know a pound of flesh, you know, merchant of Venice.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm not asking for a pound of flesh in this.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um if if if it's if it's if it's real, it's real.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and if it's real, it'll it'll stick.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: It'll stick into the future with whatever.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of people will be watching, you know, some of his political uh uh toe dipping now going forward to see if this is gonna if this is gonna stick, if he's if he's really um, if he's really had a change of, you know, a change of mind, change of thought uh or not.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and my last comment is before you give us a question, um I wanted to know what you think about this because we talked about needing accountability so we don't repeat this the history again, but we also talked about how important it is for some people to hang on to the old narrative, even in spite of um new findings, so that they can maintain their sense of of purpose.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_03: If if uh there is no reckoning, like through Fauci and Trump, right?
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_03: There's no accountability.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: And there's another quote unquote pandemic, do you what do you think happens?
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think all those people, do you think the majority of people will comply again?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: Do you do you think those people who this was their purpose will just go along and comply and once again try to drive us out of commerce and of jobs?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I think if we had a repeat, Cena, and and I'm not a prophet, so I'm I'm I'm dipping into where you know I uh I don't tend to like to go, but but look just just looking at the numbers, I think if we had literally a repeat of February 2020, let's just say a repeat, I think we would have 30% complete compliance and about 70% question.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas the first time we had about 70% compliance and 30% question.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what would flip.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it it's it's never all or or none, you know.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think I think that that what would happen, um, at least I would like to think that what would happen is that that that that 3070 would invert next time around based on what we've seen.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: The I I I guess the next so so my question for our listeners here today is is is about Fauci.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is a fair question.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: If Fauci came in on bended knee, remorseful, repentant, and apologetic, should he still be punished?
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: A at some degree.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying, you know, hung, but should should there still be punishment?
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is, words are simple.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: You you can't I I I'm framing this question because um you you can't just absolve every sin with words.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: There would be no there would be no justice.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: So so justice is on the other side of mercy.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so what let's say, for example, that tomorrow Fauci hold a press conference, you know, and was down on his knees, repentant and remorseful, and you know what?
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: Indeed, I was wrong.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I mean imagine the most penitent thing you can imagine.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Should he still be brought forth to whatever uh be to be punished in in some way, whether it's you know, whether it's um he uh goes to jail, uh has I mean, my favorite is the whipping post, um, or or uh, you know, has a you know uh all of his money is taken away and he lives as a as a you know monastic uh peasant the rest of his life.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um but you know, something, um, even even if he repented tomorrow, should there be some sort of punishment for Fauci?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think that I think that's a fair question.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: And if so, how much?
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, what should it be?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think that's a fair question.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it helps us to all wrestle with our own sense of retributive retributive vengeance on a wrong.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I want everybody to wrestle with.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's not easy.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's not easy.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's probably one of the most profound questions you have asked because it goes beyond the Fauci situation into our own personal lives.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it does.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, everybody.
• 55:03
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• 55:06
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• 55:12
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