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Survival Story of Lisa McVey - Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: To start today's case, I've selected a quote from the
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  Speaker 1: individual who was both a victim and a survivor in
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  Speaker 1: this story. I was being sexually abused at home. My
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  Speaker 1: grandmother's boyfriend used to put a gun to my head
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  Speaker 1: every time he molested me. For three years, it was
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  Speaker 1: nothing new to me. One bad situation got me to
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  Speaker 1: another bad situation is what saved my life, because the
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  Speaker 1: night before I'm doing my suicide note, and the next
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  Speaker 1: night I'm fighting for my life. This is the story
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  Speaker 1: of Lisa McVeigh.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast. The following podcast content and material
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  Speaker 1: more mature audience listener. It's a survivor's story. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a little while to be had a survivor story, I think,
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  Speaker 1: hasn't it I'm not even.
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  Speaker 2: Sure they should be often though.
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  Speaker 1: They should be, although I mean, it's super unfortunate to
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  Speaker 1: say that many of these crime cases people tend to
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  Speaker 1: not get away with their lives, which super sucks. But
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  Speaker 1: when it does happen, I mean it makes my heart
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  Speaker 1: just like super happy.
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  Speaker 2: Though they still went through some shit, they get drugged
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  Speaker 2: through absolute hell.
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  Speaker 1: Genda and it's no different in today's case too. Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as you can tell from the quote at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, yeah, goes through some shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so not fun. I mean, I'm looking forward to it,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not looking forward to it, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Well, this is a two
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  Speaker 1: parter episode, this one. So I tell you guys, the
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  Speaker 1: same thing we told to our patrons and our little
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  Speaker 1: pre show. It's worth it to stick through to the end.
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  Speaker 1: There is some holy fuck moments, some oh my gods,
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  Speaker 1: but at the very end there's like some redemption, like
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  Speaker 1: fuck yeah, stuff that is worth getting through the hell
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  Speaker 1: because that's what Lisa does. She goes through hell to
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  Speaker 1: come through on the other side. And it's worth it
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  Speaker 1: to stick around to see that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for that.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of patrons, actually we have some to think,
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  Speaker 1: do we have? We have something to think? Specifically, I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank all of our patrons for helping us
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  Speaker 1: name chickens first and foremost, because that's exactly what they did.
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  Speaker 1: They helped us name a couple of our new chickens.
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  Speaker 2: New chickens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what were their names?
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  Speaker 2: Got Mabel and and Dolly.
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  Speaker 1: You almost forgot their names, didn't you, jo?
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 1: I saw you looked up like, oh shit, I saw it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, maybe for like a tiny millisecond.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're still getting used to them being in our flock,
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  Speaker 1: in her our little lives with these chickens.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they haven't really been named that long really, No.
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  Speaker 1: I think they've had their names officially for what three
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  Speaker 1: days now.
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  Speaker 2: So that's fair. Yeah, we have eight chickens now, so
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  Speaker 2: it's like that's a lot to remember sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And no eggs being laid yet they're all too young. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so soon enough when we get the first egg, trust me,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be posting all over our social media about it.
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  Speaker 1: But we do have specific patrons to thank this week
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  Speaker 1: because guess what they signed up for Patreon. They joined
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  Speaker 1: us over there to get behind the scenes and all
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  Speaker 1: that good stuff. Maybe they even had a hand in naming.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they very well could have.
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  Speaker 1: But we have Caitlin and I'm probably gonna butcher her
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  Speaker 1: last name here, but give me a moment nenenga, I
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  Speaker 1: think is how I'm gonna say it.
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  Speaker 2: Ok. Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Kira Williams, Rebecca Hayden, Marissa and Amy turning awesome right on,
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  Speaker 1: So they all get those behind the scenes content, they
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  Speaker 1: get the extra episode that comes out the very last
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  Speaker 1: day of every single month, and then just some fun,
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  Speaker 1: cool content like the pre show that we did today.
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  Speaker 2: We often do pre or post shows, So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Ours today was a complete shit show. But you know what,
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  Speaker 2: that's just us.
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  Speaker 1: Just a little bit. We got some stuff coming up
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  Speaker 1: this fall that I want to touch on. First off,
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  Speaker 1: we have Halloween Week. I know, do you guys? Do
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  Speaker 1: you know what Halloween Week is?
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  Speaker 2: A bin?
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't been following us for a while, if
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  Speaker 1: you haven't gone back in our episodes, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: tell you. We do a week long of seven days,
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  Speaker 1: an episode every day. So you got Halloween Week coming
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  Speaker 1: up in October.
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  Speaker 2: It ends on October thirty, first.
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  Speaker 1: Halloween, Halloween Day or night or whatever is the last episode.
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  Speaker 1: So those seven days proceeding including Halloween, is when the
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  Speaker 1: Halloween Week occurs. And we also have I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you guys have actually looked at a calendar, but
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  Speaker 1: there's a Friday the thirteenth in October this year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super cool. That needs to be recognized for show.
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  Speaker 1: It does I don't know what we're gonna be doing
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  Speaker 1: for it yet, Whether it's just a social media thing
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  Speaker 1: or Patreon or on here, I don't know. We got
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  Speaker 1: to start actually planning and getting our stuff and ducks
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  Speaker 1: or chickens in a row for Halloween week and October
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  Speaker 1: and the whole shebang.
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  Speaker 2: We'll all I'll actually be shooting.
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  Speaker 1: A wedding that day on Friday the thirteenth.
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  Speaker 2: I have a wedding right on Friday, October thirteenth.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, be stoked photographing a bride in a black dress.
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  Speaker 2: Aren't you. Yeah? It's gonna be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be epic.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I literally can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: Literally literally, Oh my god, O MG, are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: be drinking a pumpkin spice latte during it?
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  Speaker 2: No? I actually don't like those surprises enough. I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's the one thing that I don't have that's basic.
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  Speaker 1: You got chickens, you got your huskies, you live in
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  Speaker 1: a tiny home, you host a true crime podcast, you're
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  Speaker 1: married to a bearded man. What else you got?
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  Speaker 2: I feel? Okay, I'm sorry, but some of those things
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  Speaker 2: in there I don't think are super basic, Like is
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  Speaker 2: owning chickens basic?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's basic.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's basic.
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  Speaker 2: You think everything is basic, though.
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  Speaker 1: Everything about you, I'm just oh my word, oh my word. Well,
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  Speaker 1: shall we get today's episode. I think we chatted enough.
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  Speaker 2: We chit chatted a little bit much. Yeah, let's do her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So, as I mentioned today, we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: a survivor story, the story of Lisa Mickveay. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you guys, it's not for the faint of heart,
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  Speaker 1: though I don't go into too many graphic details, but
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  Speaker 1: it is a story worthwhile sticking through to the end.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, let's start from the very beginning, shall we.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's learn about Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: Let's learn about Lisa. So from the beginning of her life,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa lived a rather less unfortunate one. She never really
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  Speaker 1: knew her mother in her early life, and from the
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  Speaker 1: age of two to seven years old, she lived in
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  Speaker 1: foster care. Now, I do know there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: foster cares out there who are actually doing fantastic jobs,
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  Speaker 1: So shout out to them for doing that. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: children shouldn't be in foster care, you know, like it's
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  Speaker 1: just of course, we'd rather be at home. Parents, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so being in foster care is an unfortunate situation, but
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  Speaker 1: thankfully there are good ones out there now. She was
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  Speaker 1: raised in foster care. But however, she would be reunited
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  Speaker 1: with her biological mother a little while later, after seven
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  Speaker 1: years old. Okay, so ideally something like this would be
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic reunion and even a turning point in a
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  Speaker 1: young child's life. However, in Lisa's case, it certainly wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It was not.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, no, So I'm sure a child such as Lisa
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  Speaker 1: in this case would initially be very happy to be
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  Speaker 1: finally be home, finally reunited with her mom, But even
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  Speaker 1: to someone as young as her, someone as young as Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure sadness and darkness would have quickly overshadowed any
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  Speaker 1: happiness that she initially had. Lisa's mom was unfortunately a
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  Speaker 1: very heavy drug user, so she was an addict. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't have much of a life, and Lisa would see
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  Speaker 1: her mom just binge on anything she could basically to
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  Speaker 1: get her next fix.
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  Speaker 2: Oh jeez, and she's like seven eight years old here, correct?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: At times, Lisa's mom would actually leave the house, not
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  Speaker 1: for days, not for weeks, but even up to months
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  Speaker 1: at a time, leaving Lisa at home left alone.
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  Speaker 2: Are you serious? All alone alone? Holy shit? Did she
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  Speaker 2: even have like food and stuff for that long?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Like this in itself is one of
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  Speaker 1: the saddest things to hear, like a child having to
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  Speaker 1: look after themselves at such a young age. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: don't even have the means to provide for themselves, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, food or anything, or even comprehend the situation
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  Speaker 1: that they're in.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if I mean like going to school or
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  Speaker 2: anything like, I don't know. You sound how that would
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  Speaker 2: even work.
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  Speaker 1: There's no travel, there's no say you do have food
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  Speaker 1: at first, you were running out of groceries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it will run out eventually.
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  Speaker 1: What about paying bills or electrical heat?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Anything. Now, I do know that Lisa does have a sister,
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  Speaker 1: though I don't know anything about her. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: she was present in this situation as well or where
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  Speaker 1: she was, but I do want to let that be
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  Speaker 1: known that she did have a twin sister.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, a twin sister.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So this world is truly cruel. Lisa learned that
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  Speaker 1: extremely young, going through many things at this super young age.
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  Speaker 1: So Lisa eventually wouldn't stay at home with her mom.
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  Speaker 1: She went out into the world still as a child,
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  Speaker 1: living in homeless camps, abandoned buildings, cars, wherever she could,
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  Speaker 1: you name it. She would sleep under leaky roofs as
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  Speaker 1: it rained, cold concrete buildings and cool nights.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, my heart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, she was homeless and she went where she
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  Speaker 1: needed to simply survive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the homeless life would finally be behind her when
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  Speaker 1: she was around the age of thirteen. And that in
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  Speaker 1: itself is such an unfathomable, unfathomable sentence to say that
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  Speaker 1: homelessness is behind you at thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like the fact she even survived really on her
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  Speaker 2: own on the streets and stuff is almost a miracle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's miraculous to put it to thee. Yeah. So Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: when she got off the streets, she would be moving
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  Speaker 1: in with her grandmother. However, though she left the streets
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  Speaker 1: behind in the comfort of into the comfort of the
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  Speaker 1: home in Tampa with her grandma, this would prove not
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  Speaker 1: to be the sanctuary that she was really looking for.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't take long before Lisa fell victim to another
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  Speaker 1: unfortunate situation. Her grandmother's boyfriend didn't hesitate to take advantage
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  Speaker 1: of a young girl now living in the home. While
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  Speaker 1: he was in his fifties and Lisa was merely thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: he would begin to sexually assault her every night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, wow, fuck this guy. Well yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what a freaking monster. But can she not like catch
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  Speaker 2: a break?
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  Speaker 1: Kay, like gee, yeah, she is living a life of
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  Speaker 1: horrors essentially. Yeah, it's terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the fact that this Okay, oh, did the
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  Speaker 2: grandma know or was she not aware or we don't
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  Speaker 2: probably even know.
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  Speaker 1: As far as I can tell. The guy kind of
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  Speaker 1: tried to keep it quiet hidden, but I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: she would have been.
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  Speaker 2: Aware if it was every single night.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And there's certain things that occur within this story
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  Speaker 1: where the grandma isn't such a great person either, and
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  Speaker 1: certain things that Lisa is quoted saying later on where
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  Speaker 1: she talks about her grandma and this guy are basically
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  Speaker 1: shitty people. So I'm pretty sure the grandma was Whether
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  Speaker 1: she was aware or how much she was aware, she
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  Speaker 1: was very much so at least turning a blind eye
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  Speaker 1: to some degree.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that is so disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. So this for the lack of better words.
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  Speaker 1: Piece of shit. Old man forced himself onto her and
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  Speaker 1: swore her to secrecy. He told her that if she
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  Speaker 1: ever spoke a word about it, he would kill her
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  Speaker 1: twin sister. Oh wow, yeah, so using her sister and
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  Speaker 1: threatening with her life. M So I did want to
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  Speaker 1: mention here though I couldn't find anything about the twin sister. Right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be reading this book here soon. It's
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  Speaker 1: called Smoldering Embers. It's actually about Lisa's story. So if
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  Speaker 1: there is anywhere that talks about her sister, I'm presuming
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  Speaker 1: it will be within these pages. So that's one book
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be checking out very soon, I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you that. So regardless though Lisa didn't want her
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  Speaker 1: sister to be harmed, and even the event of this
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  Speaker 1: threat not being enough, this again piece of shit old
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  Speaker 1: man held Lisa at gunpoint, with a cold barrel of
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  Speaker 1: his gun pointed directly at her head as he took
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  Speaker 1: advantage of her.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah, that is like a very
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  Speaker 2: disturbing visual. Holy heck, it worse? How could it get
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  Speaker 2: worse than that?
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  Speaker 1: There's a mental piece to this, one more mental piece.
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  Speaker 1: What does he do to make matters. Even worse, he
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  Speaker 1: referred to Lisa as his girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that takes it to a whole new level.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really fucked, really fucked holy shit. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Lisa didn't have a whole lot for options. Needless
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  Speaker 1: to say, she couldn't fight back, and she was terrified
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  Speaker 1: to say anything, so she stayed silent and followed the
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  Speaker 1: demands of this piece of shit old man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's literally the only way you can describe him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it could it could be worse than that,
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  Speaker 2: really describing him.
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  Speaker 1: I really strive to one day be like a cute
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  Speaker 1: old man or a goofy or funny old man, I know,
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  Speaker 1: rather than a piece of shit old man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean most I would say the majority of
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  Speaker 2: old men are better than this.
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  Speaker 1: Freakin' Now, I would certainly hope majority of any human
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  Speaker 1: being is better than this. So this basically went over
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  Speaker 1: the course of four long years.
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  Speaker 2: Four years of shit, yes of hell, really yes.
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  Speaker 1: Now, by some quotes with Lisa, she refers to it
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  Speaker 1: is three, but by her age and birthdays and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, it's closer to four. Okay, So Lisa would
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  Speaker 1: be made to do unspeakable things to this asshole, fucking
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  Speaker 1: douche Canoe until she was the age of seventeen. At
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  Speaker 1: this point, he began talking to her about having a
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  Speaker 1: child with her. What Yeah, you heard me, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, yeah, he's talking to her about how yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have my kid.
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  Speaker 2: This guy is a nasty, nasty motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he is. And at this point Lisa couldn't stand
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  Speaker 1: it any No.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way like that is a year in just
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  Speaker 2: the worst position ever. Yeah, really yep, because she's probably
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  Speaker 2: a good person, and then she would want to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like want to probably have this caid or whatever. Yeap,
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  Speaker 2: but oh that would no.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh put it in this perspective. She left foster
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  Speaker 1: care when she was seven. Let's assume she had a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic foster care. Okay, let's assume, because there are many
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  Speaker 1: ol them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are.
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  Speaker 1: So by the time she left at seven, she's now seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: The last ten years of her life, over fifty percent
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  Speaker 1: of her life has been hell yeah, homelessness and abuse.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, h I know you have you kind of want
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  Speaker 2: to hope that those first seven years were good, but
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  Speaker 2: I might not have necessarily been that great.
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  Speaker 1: Either who knows, But I'm going to give it the
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  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt here, and I'm going to say
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  Speaker 1: that let's assume it was a good, good care.
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  Speaker 2: That she was in, which makes it hard though in
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  Speaker 2: the sense too that she got pulled away from that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: right to just go to.
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  Speaker 1: But it makes me feel better than saying no, it
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  Speaker 1: was a shitty foster care.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I'm sure she talks about that a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more in her book too. So at this point, though,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, she couldn't stand this abuse any longer,
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  Speaker 1: and she couldn't stand life, for that matter, any longer either,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa planned to end her own life. It was all
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  Speaker 1: too much for the young seventeen year old girl. By
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  Speaker 1: this age, she had endured, just as we talked, far
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  Speaker 1: more than anyone should have had to. So she wrote
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  Speaker 1: her suicide note during her shift at work one evening,
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  Speaker 1: after which she planned to end all of the pain.
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  Speaker 1: She planned to get off shift, go home, walk through
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  Speaker 1: the doors of a grandma's house, and end it once
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  Speaker 1: and for all. I have some quotes here directly from Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to read I went to work one day
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  Speaker 1: at a local donut shop and before I left, I
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  Speaker 1: wrote my suicide note because I was just done. I
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  Speaker 1: was going to end my life when I came home
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  Speaker 1: that night. I was going to kill myself using the
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  Speaker 1: gun he used to hold to my head when he
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  Speaker 1: raped me. I was tired of everything. It was time
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  Speaker 1: to go.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: That is so sad, I mean, and honestly not like
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that's there's always like other options, right, but she is.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I feel terrible for her, and it doesn't seem like
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: she does have a lot of other options. So she's
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: like in between a rock and a hard place.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for someone in a position like that, I can
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: see it being very difficult to see any sort of hope.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: But generally, like there always is a light at the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: end of the tunnel at some point.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: They're always is one, but that traveling too light could
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: be extremely difficult for many people. For Lisa, it would
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: be extremely difficult still, so she would end her shift
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: just as if it were any other day of working
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a double shift. This night, in particular, she walked outside
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: with her bike in the middle of the night into
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the cool, crisp bear. She hopped on and began pedaling
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: from the donut shop towards home. On November third, nineteen
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: eighty four. Tired and exhausted from her shift, Lisa peddled home,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: knowing this would be her last bike ride. This would
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: be the last time breathing in the air of the evening,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the last shift she ever worked. Soon, she rode past
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a familiar church at about two am, en route home.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: It was then she noticed a strange car parked outside
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the church. It had never been there before when she'd
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: gone past any other time, but tonight there It was
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: before she had any real time to actually sit and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: think about it or comprehend that this car was really different,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: something happened. Someone tackled her from behind off her bike
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and grabbed her. Lisa immediately began screaming as loudly as
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: she could. She was flailing her arms and kicking against
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: her attacker with all the force she could muster. However,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: it was no use. She was overpowered. Whoever it was
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: managed to get a blindfold over her eyes and hauled
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: her into the strange car she saw moments earlier. Lisa
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: began begging and crying for her life, telling her attacker quote, God,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: whatever you do, don't kill me. You can do whatever
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you want, but don't kill me, and that's when two
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: things happened. First, Lisa McVeigh realized that she didn't want
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to die. She didn't want to commit suicide, she didn't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: want to get killed. Instead, Lisa realized she wanted to
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: live and she wanted to be something and make something
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of herself. And secondly, her attacker pressed a gun to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: her head and said shut up or I'll blow your
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: brains out.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Wow, It's an incredibly cruel twist of fate that, in
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the same instance she realized she didn't want to kill
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: herself or die, she also had someone else there threatening
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to end her fucking life.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Because if this didn't happen like this moment, she would
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: have gone home and for sure ended her life.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, oh man, that whole thing that you just kind
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of put us through there was really heavy. The fact
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that this is her last bike. Right. Oh my gosh,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like my heart skipped a beat.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I have a few words from Lisa that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: she would say as she looked back on this exact
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: moment of her life. So she said this, something in
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the pit of my stomach said, You've got to stay
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: calm and you'll survive this. There was an epiphany of
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to allow one more person to take
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: my life away from me. My grandma and her boyfriend
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: took my youth, but I was going to take control
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and take my life into my own hands. This man
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to take my life away. He didn't have
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the right to. And that's why I started fighting to live.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: What a badass?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, in case you haven't figured it out, Lisa
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: McVeigh is our badass of the day and it will
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: continue on to be the badass of the day next
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: week as well, So she's double badass.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, to even just be able to have
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that mindset when you are terrified.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Oh you don't even know this any of it yet?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well it seems unbelievable to me already.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So we are just touching the surface on how much
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of a fucking badass Lisa is because the whole mindset
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about, we haven't even started on her
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: mindset really, really really.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm like a huge advocate of her mind
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: over madd kind of thing, But it's very hard to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: do that when, especially when you're in just kind of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: an unthinkable situation. Oh for sure, I'm very intrigued to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: see how this goes.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Then, well, of course it's this whole new Lisa's look
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: on life that would provide Lisa with like a whole
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: lot of the strength and the ability to endure her okay,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: torture and sexual assault and rape for the next twenty
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: six hours.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Geez.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So her attacker began by tying her up in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: vehicle immediately, so right away Lisa got to work on
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: her survival. First thing she did was to try and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: get a peek at who it was who grabbed her.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: She peered out under a small bit of the blindfold.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So again to quote her here, she said this, anytime
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: he would take off or put on the blindfold, I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: would clench my jaw to make it tight and allow
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the blindfold to be looser than it would be. Whoa,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it really did help. I couldn't see everything, but I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: could see beneath it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Holy heck.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So basically what she's saying is she would clench to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: allow her muscles to tighten and expand on the side
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of her head. Right, Yeah, So when he tied the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: blindfold tightly and then he let go, she would unclench
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: her jaw and blindfold would be slightly looser, allowing her
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a bit of movement to see underneath the fucking blink.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Okay, that is incredible
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to be able to sit back and think of something
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: like that. There is no way that I would in
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that be able to I don't think in that situation.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I I mean, now, now i'd.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Remember fuck even now, I wouldn't.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: That's true. Actually, I would be so scared shitless. Should
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you even.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Remember it you nailed it? I'd be scared shitless. I'd
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: be screaming, scared and shitless because I shit my pants. Yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that would be me.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So you wouldn't be sitting there remembering to clench your
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: jaw so that the blindfold it doesn't go on as tight. No,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: have you ever.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Seen someone scare a pig? How they squeal? That's what
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I would sound like in the trunk of the car.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: That would be me as well. Now, the fact that
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: she's thinking.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Like that, Oh I told you her mindset incredible.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: So doing this she was actually able to take mental
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: notes on multiple things. She wasn't able to get a
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: look at her attacker, but she was able to see
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the car, remember it again, see it again. It was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a red Dodge Magnum. Not only this, she put to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you skills she had learned from TV shows as she
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: watched as a kid, such as mcgiver and Magnum Pi.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: She memorized as much of her surroundings as she could
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: during the whole abduction or deal. She even kept track
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of directions and turns the vvehicle was making as she
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was being abducted, and the direction it was driving.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, fuck yes, yes whoa.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Eventually the car stopped and she was led upstairs in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a building into an apartment. As she walked, she counted
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: every single step she fucking took. Serious, she counted how
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: many stairs she went up. And she was able to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: peek underneath the blindfold because of the whole jaw clenching thing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And she saw and memorized the green carpet floor that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: lined the hallway in the fucking hall apartment.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Shit. And then until later they'll even remember this shit, yeah,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: after what she goes, because she goes through some hell
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: for like twenty six hours, you said, you.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Bet youa Oh my goodness. So unfortunately, though, once inside
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the apartment, this is where Lisa's new nightmare would begin.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Lisa would be held and she would be repeatedly raped
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: within these walls, during of which one time Lisa asked
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: her attacker why he was doing this, and he coldly responded, quote,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to get back at all the women in general because
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: of a recent breakup.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, what a piece of shit.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Oh you bet you what an absolute piece of shit.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: That is really really fucked up.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Someone broke up with me, So I'm going to like
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: screw you over, like I'm going to kidnap you and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: torture you assault any sense. No, it doesn't.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It's like zero sense.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's a power trip. You can't can't display
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: power for one person, so you're going to displace that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: onto another. Makes no talking sense.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: This guy literally like that. That just makes me feel
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: like I want to just like volmit like that's really
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: really yeah something.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So after a quote from him, I now wanted to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: follow it up with a quote from Lisa again, so
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: she said, quote, he thought he could get back at
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: all the women by kidnapping and raping them because someone
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: broke his heart apparently, And so she said that in
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: an interview to the US.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Sun, which just makes him just sound like such an idiot.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Oh it does, absolute idiot.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So Lisa was facing someone who was doing these horrible
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: things simply out of spite rage, as we just touched on.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So in turn, what do you think she did.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: She? I mean, I really actually okay, I just I
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: kind of had a moment listening to this that I've
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: never really thought of before. But if you're in like
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: such a shitty situation like this, to almost think about
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: how to take this person down once you survive this,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and that's what I think Lisa's doing. She's probably like
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: she's remembering things just in her head, like that's how
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: she's surviving. This is how she's going to take him
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: down later.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: What do you mean about take him down?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Like make him get caught okay, never be able to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: do this again.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, she's definitely targeting to try and get him caught.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: She's trying to think of evidence, all that sort of stuff, clearly, right,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But in this instant when she realized that he's doing
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: this out of rage, she turned around and reciprocated that with.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Kindness, and so seriously, yes, okay, so did that go
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: well for her? Then?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Well, what she was trying to do was basically show
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that she's a nice person. He's angry at someone who
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: wronged him, so she's like, well, I didn't wrong you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I'm a nice person. Like I'm kind to you. You
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: should be kind to me. That's her fucking demeanor while
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: she's getting raped.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Humph. I don't even know what to say because that
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: is just And she's seventeen years old. You betcha seventeen
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: years old.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Seventeen years old and someone's raping her out of anger,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and she decides it's anger isn't the right route here?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I need to show kindness.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: When she's had the life that she's had as well.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: You bet youa hmmm, like talk about a fucking golden heart.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, it is like I can hardly comprehend that
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: someone would be as amazing as her.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was basically like her way of like
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: trying to show her like like you're doing something bad,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you're doing something wrong, like I didn't harm me.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I don't deserve this.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So she not only tried to like kind of appeal
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to her attacker and try and show him that the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: compassionate side, but somehow she managed to also keep a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: clear head in this whole fucking process. While doing this
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to leave more evidence behind. Okay, so she thought, what
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: if he does kill me? Mm hmm, what if he
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: does dismember me, hides me, I'm never found again? She,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: while still blindfolded this whole time, remember, she began pressing
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: her hands and fingers against anything she could to leave
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: fingerprints behind.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: She would reach out and grab onto table legs, press
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: her hands against walls, chairs, any sort of surface she
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: could you name it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: In the hopes that they will be like dusting for
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: fingerprints one day and finding these. You bet youah, that
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: is some kind of smart yep.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: She also made a point of trying to, while reaching
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: out and pressing against walls, furniture for fingerprints, to reach
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: forward and feel her attacker's face as best she could
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: without being noticed, of course, to try and remember any
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: discernible details so she could describe what he fucking looked like. Oh, say,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: for example, if you reach forward and grab my face,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you'd feel a beard? Yeah right, yeah, any details like that?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Is he bald, beard, mustache, glasses anything?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Hm? So this whole time though she didn't actually get
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: to see his face correct, really, he kept her blindfolded
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the whole time. Yes, I was kind of thinking that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: maybe once they were in the house that he would
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: take it off.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But no, he left her blindfolded the whole time. Now,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I mean there was times when the blindfold was like
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: on and off and stuff, but she was never allowed
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to get a look at him. Okay, it was like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: for example, at one point she managed to convince him
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom alone without him there, so
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: she had the blindfold off then. Okay, but when she
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: did go to the bathroom alone, guess what she was
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: doing inside there?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Putting her fingerprints everywhere you fucking DNA and stuff.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking betcha, pressing fingerprints up in the corner of
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the mirror, on the side of the bathtub, the underside
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of the fucking.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Toilet, ball that you would never clean.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Places that would not get cleaned, you name it.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I cannot believe how smart she is.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Right, Like I said, her whole mindset that you were
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: talking about, We didn't even scratch the fucking surface.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Yet, No, not at all. I mean this almost makes
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: me feel inadequate.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: What I feel like?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like what is the word? And I shouldn't
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: be like not comparing or anything, but it's just you
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: kind of put yourself in what her situation is. And
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I would be able to be
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: thinking that clearly.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable. It's amazing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she is battling literal demons and she is calm,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: cool and collective. Like I'm sure she's freaking out. I'm
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: sure she's having a hell of a time. She's she's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: getting fucking sexually assault and raped here, like it's not
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: fucking fun. No, but she is facing it and she
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: is taking a head on and doing everything she can
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to survive, leave evidence and have an account of what happened.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, and she's not giving up, and she's believing
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: that she's going to get through this right, which who
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: is something that I just feel like would be so
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: hard to.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Have you bet youa yeah, I'd probably still be squealing
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: like a pig wow with shit in my pants. I'm serious,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I know everything about this is a literal nightmare. Seriously,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: it really is. She just managed to keep calm thinks
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: straight enough to keep spreading the fingerprints evidence and even
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: continue to talk calmly with her captor and when she
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: was striking up conversation, talking calmly with him, she even
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: had ulterior motives while doing that. She was trying to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: find out as much details about this guy as she
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: possibly could.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I am speechless. That blows. It blows my mind.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: It blows my fucking mind.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: So during the conversations, Lisa never actually gave the man
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: her real name. She said her name was Carol and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that she was older than seventeen. She also told the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: man that her father was sick and that she was
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm mary care Without her, he would definitely be missing
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: her and very soon if she didn't make it home. So,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: whether or not the man showed it, the false story
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of her father would potentially be a part in saving
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Lisa's life from this horrible incident. And I'll talk about
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: on how that plays in here, Okay, Soon enough, though
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the topic at hand would be changed, the relaxed demeanor
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Lisa was aiming for to keep her attacker somewhat calm
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: would change when a news bulletin came on TV. It
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: was reporting on seventeen year old missing Lisa McVeigh.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Oh shit.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: So when Lisa heard this, immediately she started trembling and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: crying because she couldn't believe someone was actually looking for her.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I did not go there at all. Really,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: that's why she was upset.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: She got upset at that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh okay, wow, okay, okay, I have like the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: giant lump in my throat after hearing that, because here
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I was thinking that she was freaking out because this
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: asshole motherfucker is gonna see that she lied and that
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you know, she's not actually Carol, but it's literally that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: someone was looking for her.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean her captor did see that she lied.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Now I'm going to get into that in a second,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: but yeah, she started crying because someone was looking for her.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, wow, wow, Wow. That could make me bawl my
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: face off actually if I think about that too hard.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: So, as I mentioned, this guy who was holding her
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: was less than impressed. He just found out that she
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: was lying to him. He now knew her name, and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: he now realized that she was a minor. So he
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: stormed over to her in a fitter rage, placed the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: gun to the side of her head and said, don't
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: make me kill you. He didn't pull the trigger, he
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't taking revenge out on a woman. He was taking
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: revenge oden a child.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this is interesting because when you had told
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: me that she kind of had lied about her age, right,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and her name and stuff. I was almost in the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: back of my head wondering if, like he realized how
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: young she was. He didn't, if this would even have happened.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, who knows, who knows it very well still
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: could have. But it's interesting because I did think of that.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure her age was the catalyst for her
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: survival in my opinion. I could be very wrong, but
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: that's that's my opinion. I do want to read her
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: book and really get deeper into this really before I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: say for sure. But it would be around three thirty
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: am in the morning, which is twenty five hours twenty
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: five and a half approximately. Think actually, after being taken
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that the man would ask Lisa what she thought he
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: should do with her. So she told him, you're a
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: really nice guy. I can take care of you. I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: can be your girlfriend. Nobody needs to know how we met.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Of course, she's trying to appeal to him, trying to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: be kind, right, I mean, making it seem like the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: problems could just be all forgotten. Everything would be behind them, like.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's kind of no big deal, like let's just carry on.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Here exactly, and after all, like a relationship, a broken
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: relationship is what kind of caused this. Maybe a new
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: happy relationship might be something that would give him a
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: sense of hope.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, but wow, still just think in a head like that,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: you bet youah?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: But instead he said no, no, I can't keep you.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Where do you live?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Holy shit? So he has like slight little conscience or something.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's if it's.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Called that or what I think. So there's something speaking there.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's that clarification of age here.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Like I said, he's not taking his anger his issues
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: out on another woman. He's taking it out on a child.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And that's that's not what he wants. That's not what
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: we want I was trying to do.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he's realizing she has her whole life
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: ahead of her, and yeah, what the fuck is he doing?
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I think? So now I do think that there is
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: that line in the sand is important. I'm going to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: say that. Okay.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I just have to say one more thing though, about
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the fact that she was surprised that people were looking
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: for her. Is like her expectations and people are that low.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sad.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is just that's going to keep
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: me up at night, I feel.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Like, Well, the biggest thing for Lisa at this moment
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: was when he said where do you live? She was relieved.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: He seemed like he was going to let her go,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: of course, right, so she told him an address but
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: not hers. Okay it was a false one, and he
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: brought her back to his car blindfolded. Still. Yeah, he
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: drove to an ATM and to a gas station, then
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: dropped her off on a relatively secluded spot kind of
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: near the address that she told him at around four
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: thirty am, and he told her, quote, tell your father,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: he's the reason I didn't kill you.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: So that false story, this is where the false story
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: plays in. It could have potentially been a catalyst for
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: her survival.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you woul almost think that he wouldn't believe
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: that anymore. But he must have.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Still then, I mean the news report all they noticed
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: someone missing, Yeah, very well, a sick father who is
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: in need of care would be the one to note
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: her missing and report her missing. Right, So very much.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: That could still very much be true. However, I think
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it's a classification of her being a child, not a woman.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: That's my personal opinion. But again, I got to read
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: her book.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost amazing to me too that he
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: just didn't go about hiding all the evidence, because it
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: could have gone that way too.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So when he did drop her off, and he
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: did tell her this, he also told her to wait
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: five minutes before taking off the blindfold so he could
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: drive away, And to quote Lisa, that five minutes felt
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: like five years. So she sat there with the blindfold
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: on her face as she heard the car driving off,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: slowly fading away in the distance, and waited and waited
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: until she could take the blindfold off, just in case.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And to quote her again, but when I finally took
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: it off and saw this huge oak tree in front
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: of me, I knew at that moment my life was
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: going to change.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, it was almost like her life was
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: going to start.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Lisa began running and soon figured out where she was,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and she kept running until she made it home to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: her grandma's house. But instead of the nightmare ending, it continued. Ah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it wasn't the man that had captured her that kept
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the horrible experience going, but it was her grandma's boyfriend
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: still Hey. As soon as she burst through the door,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: relieved to be away from her captor, a brutal beating ensued.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this piece of shit old man assaulted her and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: accused her of quote cheating on him.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Holy fuck.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: He demanded that she tell tell him where she was
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and what she was doing, but when she did tell him,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: he didn't believe her and continued to beat her over
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and over again. He asked her where she was, what
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: she was doing, and she continued to say she was kidnapped.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: She was taken until finally they took her to the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: police department, and when they arrived, Lisa's grandma even told
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: police that Lisa was lying about where she had been
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and what had happened.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Man, these people are just evil.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: The police were confused on exactly what was going on
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: when they arrived at the station. They were hesitant at first,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: but after realizing the situation and analyzing kind of what happened,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: they knew they had to begin investigation. After listening to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Lisa's story, Lisa spoke to an investigator by the name
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: of Larry Pinkerton, and she told him everything everything that
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: she could remember, all the details anything she meticulously tried
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: to retain, the green carpet, each step of the stairs,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the direction the car was moving, the turns, her fingerprints,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: anywhere she left them. She told them all of it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Him and the other investigators took notes and talked with
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Lisa as long as she could to get all the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: details right. But would all these things that she could
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: recall in the incident actually be enough to catch the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: man who did this? You'll have to find out next episode.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I always knew it was coming close here. I just
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: have to say one thing, though, I mean, the fact
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: that she had so many details too, I'm sure made
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: investigators realize like she wasn't lying, because how could someone
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: make up that many like tiny little details, right? Really true? Yeah?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Because she was probably so thorough and it was, I mean,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: but honestly could have also blown their minds that she
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: even could think all this shit up while she was
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: in such a situation. Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I will leave you with this, the consistency of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: her story talking to investigators, they knew she wasn't.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Lying, Okay, good, No.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Being able to consistently say this direction, these turns over
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and over again, never getting mixed up, knowing exactly what
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to say. It wasn't random. She had these things memorized,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: She knew they were very well aware. These were not
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: just the things she was saying off the cusp. There
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: were details she remembered.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean, gosh, the fact that it's ending sucks,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: but I'm also super needing to know that this grandpa
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: or not even grandpa, like grandma's boyfriend, gets what the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: fucks coming to him too, because he is I don't know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I was going to say say worse, but I'm they're
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: both like just off, I mean, the attacker and this.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: They both they're both douche canoes. That's what you're trying
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: There isn't enough words to describe how terribly I hate
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: both of them.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel you there. Yeah, So this episode, like
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I said, part two is worth sticking around for. And
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to actually reel you in be like, hey,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: listen to a part two. No, Like, seriously, there's some
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: ship that is it makes up for all the shit
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you went through. It's very much so worth hearing the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: end of the story.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you had shared one tiny little thing with me
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: because you just had to.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And it's one small detail. It's not even a detail,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it's just.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Something, but it is very much so. Yeah, you gotta
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: listen a part too. Yeah fall show Yeah, Bou show.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Bou showed even for that one little tiny piece of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: information that I shared with Nicole earlier. Yeah, it's trust
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: me that that made me so happy. Oh yeah, one
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: fucking sentence.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, hah yeah, yeah, you reacted quite like
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: you were pretty pumped about it.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Actually, to put it as the kids say, I lulled hard.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what they say anymore, but
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I know I was being i ron okay, I was
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: just like cringing at you. I'm like, oh boy, no, I.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Was being ironic. I was joking. It was a good
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: old jak.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, well like always well done.
• 47:13
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• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Oh you gotta listen apart two, wetten.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: You gotta, but I'm not gonna say you gotta. You
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, you gotta, but you don't gotta,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: but you gotta you know? Yes, yeah, you know? Yeah?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, hopefully next episode we're not quite as tired
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and we're a little bit more what will be the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: word less sleep deprived? That?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah that fits.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: There you go because you have.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: This episode is due to air in sixteen minutes. Oer shit,
• 48:08
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• 48:15
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  Speaker 2: Why m M, you don't do it as good?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: So now oh oh oh oh you can go fuck yourself. Okay,
• 48:28
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