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Cartel Drone Advancement and Buying a Home Isn't Impossible · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM 640, the Bill Handel show
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  Speaker 1: on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
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  Speaker 2: President just finished speaking in front of at the U.N.,
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  Speaker 2: the General Assembly. And I'm watching right now four screens, BBC, CNN,
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  Speaker 2: Fox and MSNOW. So CNN and MSNOW, no surprise, going
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  Speaker 2: through his facts, his claims and fact checking and going untrue, untrue, untrue.
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  Speaker 2: BBC is just reporting straight out. This is what he said.
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  Speaker 2: This is what he said.
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  Speaker 3: Fox is.
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  Speaker 2: The president delivers strong speech in front of the UN.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly not fact-checking any facts that were uttered.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, welcome to American media.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it is time for Tech Tuesday with Mike Dubusky,
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  Speaker 2: ABC News technology reporter. And Mike, as always, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: coming in because I know your time is very– well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say the word valuable, but limited.
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  Speaker 3: Does that work?
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Well, there you go. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Meta launched this new Muse AI agent earlier this month.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us what that is about because this is interesting stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is an AI agent from Meta, the
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  Speaker 4: parent company of Facebook and Instagram. And AI agents have
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  Speaker 4: been getting a lot of attention recently. These are basically
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  Speaker 4: AI programs that can execute tasks more than just answering
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  Speaker 4: questions like chat GPT. These things can kind of like
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  Speaker 4: go off and do stuff on the Internet. Meta marketed
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  Speaker 4: this as basically an assistant that can organize things on
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  Speaker 4: your calendar, sort through emails, etc. even do stuff like
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  Speaker 4: online shopping. However, that last one has now spiraled into
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  Speaker 4: this growing standoff between Meta and Amazon. That company over
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  Speaker 4: the weekend started blocking Muse AI from browsing on Amazon,
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  Speaker 4: seemingly because that company never agreed to allow Amazon AI
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  Speaker 4: to use that platform autonomously. This was all first reported
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  Speaker 4: by the website GeekWire, though yesterday I tried to get
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  Speaker 4: Muse AI to order something off of Amazon, a toothpaste basically,
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  Speaker 4: just as a test, and it wouldn't do it. It
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  Speaker 4: actually kind of has its own little digital computer that
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  Speaker 4: you can kind of follow along with to see how
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  Speaker 4: it's executing on the task that you gave it. Well,
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  Speaker 4: when it went to Amazon's website, Amazon threw up this
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  Speaker 4: error message that said, continued access by an unauthorized AI
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  Speaker 4: agent violates Amazon's conditions of use to which our customers
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  Speaker 4: have agreed. And in a separate statement, Amazon said, we
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  Speaker 4: think it's fairly straightforward that third-party applications that offer to
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  Speaker 4: make purchases on behalf of customers from other businesses should
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  Speaker 4: operate openly and respect service provider decisions. Basically, they're saying
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  Speaker 4: that Muse isn't identifying itself as a bot and that's
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  Speaker 4: a violation of their terms of service.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me get very practical now because that was
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  Speaker 2: a little bit in the weeds. Important though it was.
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  Speaker 2: I use Claude. Other people use ChatGPT, and there are
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  Speaker 2: a few other ones out there. If you can, just
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  Speaker 2: straight out give me a review. Which one works the
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  Speaker 2: best and which one do you use, if.
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  Speaker 3: Not all of them?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, one of the big challenges in the
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  Speaker 4: AI space right now is that there's a very shallow
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  Speaker 4: moat between any of these technologies, right? They all kind
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  Speaker 4: of do the same thing. Meta is not the first
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  Speaker 4: company to launch an AI agent like this. There's similar
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  Speaker 4: tools over at OpenAI and Anthropic and Google and others. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the struggle with a lot of these technologies
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  Speaker 4: is that there's really not a ton of daylight between,
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  Speaker 4: you know, chat GPT and Claude. Some prefer, you know,
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  Speaker 4: one to the other for very specific tasks. But when
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about sort of like broad applications like this.
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  Speaker 4: They're all basically the same meta when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: like benchmark testing, which is like the very technical way
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  Speaker 4: to evaluate how, quote unquote, smart these models are, has
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  Speaker 4: sort of found itself behind the leaders in the space, which,
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  Speaker 4: you know, is regularly traded between Google, Anthropic and OpenAI.
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  Speaker 4: Muse AI is an attempt to kind of put itself
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  Speaker 4: back in the conversation with a hot consumer product like this.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I don't know really how to
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  Speaker 4: answer that question, which one is the best. It really
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  Speaker 4: depends on your personal preference and your personal sort of
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  Speaker 4: application of this technology. What do you use it for?
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to what I use, I generally try
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  Speaker 4: to use these bots just to understand how they work
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  Speaker 4: so that I can talk to you guys. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: properly understand how that technology, you know, can fit into
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  Speaker 4: a person's life. But really, you know, as a journalist
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  Speaker 4: and as a person in media, we strive to be
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  Speaker 4: accurate 100 percent of the time. And that is something
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  Speaker 4: that even the most advanced AI models still regularly struggle with.
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  Speaker 4: And that has, I think, been a stumbling block for
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  Speaker 4: every major artificial intelligence company's these things still hallucinate, they
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  Speaker 4: still go wrong, they still trip over themselves and do
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  Speaker 4: weird stuff. That has been an existential problem for this technology.
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  Speaker 3: Quick question.
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  Speaker 2: The president just finished speaking and one of the statements
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  Speaker 2: he made in his UN address saying that the fear
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  Speaker 2: that we're hearing about AI, he has become very pro-AI,
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  Speaker 2: sort of changed his tune to some extent.
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  Speaker 3: So now he's one of the supporters of AI.
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  Speaker 2: And what he said, the fears that we are hearing
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  Speaker 2: about AI particularly the head of Anthropic, Sam Altman, and
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  Speaker 2: a few others are saying that this, we need guidelines
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  Speaker 2: or we're in a lot of trouble. And the president
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  Speaker 2: has said those fears are basically a hoax. How, either side,
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  Speaker 2: how legitimate is hoax talk versus, yeah, we should be
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  Speaker 2: really scared of this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of the we should be really scared
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  Speaker 4: of this side of the equation is still very firmly
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  Speaker 4: in the realm of the hypothetical. Right. This most recent
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  Speaker 4: conversation around the existential threat to humanity posed by this
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  Speaker 4: technology was started by a researcher who resigned from Anthropic
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  Speaker 4: named Jacob Coxon, who said that there's, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: potential that this technology could wipe out all of humanity.
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  Speaker 4: And another anthropic researcher said there's a 10 percent chance
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  Speaker 4: of that happening. Dario Amede has said that there's the
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  Speaker 4: potential within the next year of these bots kind of
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  Speaker 4: merging together and taking over the internet. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: that stuff, again, is just speculative at this point. So
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  Speaker 4: I think that we should dedicate some brainpower to it. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I know I could be hit by a
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  Speaker 4: meteor later today. That's a possibility, but it's not a
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  Speaker 4: thing that I'm going to rearrange my life around. That's
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  Speaker 4: kind of how I treat that side of the debate.
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  Speaker 4: There are some very real cybersecurity and safety concerns that
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  Speaker 4: AI poses that are provable and in front of us
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  Speaker 4: right now. Things like the potential for this to, again, hallucinate,
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  Speaker 4: to be a vector for misinformation ahead of the midterms,
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  Speaker 4: the environmental impact of this technology, which is very costly and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, takes up a lot of, you know, carbon
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  Speaker 4: emissions and things like that. Even something like Muse AI
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  Speaker 4: poses an existential threat to how business is done on
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  Speaker 4: the Internet. A big reason why Amazon decided to put
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  Speaker 4: up this firewall, kind of the reason that we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about it, is because they don't want bots clicking around
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  Speaker 4: their website because they want humans to do that. They
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  Speaker 4: want humans to scroll through Amazon listings, maybe click on
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  Speaker 4: a sponsored post, look at some ads, and then Amazon
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  Speaker 4: gets a cut of all that. If robots are doing that, well,
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  Speaker 4: then that cuts off that revenue stream. And when you
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  Speaker 4: widen out, Amazon is not the only company that hinges
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  Speaker 4: its business on that type of thing. Uber, DoorDash, ZocDoc,
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  Speaker 4: basically every business that provides a service to you over
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  Speaker 4: the internet... relies on people to look at ads. And
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  Speaker 4: if robots are doing it, well, then that is a
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  Speaker 4: really big existential threat. That's kind of what I would
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  Speaker 4: say is more focusable than the sort of speculative concerns
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  Speaker 4: that were raised by others.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm assuming Amazon would rather have someone scroll through
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  Speaker 2: the various offers and go, oh, I want that and
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  Speaker 2: just get caught up where a bot would never do that.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And humans are susceptible to that. We have decades worth
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  Speaker 4: of evidence to show that, yeah, we do react to
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  Speaker 4: ads and robots don't write robots like Muse AI are
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  Speaker 4: designed to execute on your task with ruthless efficiency. And
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  Speaker 4: they don't always do it properly. But like And Muse AI,
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  Speaker 4: an interesting thing that happened when I tried to get
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  Speaker 4: it to go to Amazon was that it immediately suggested, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I found this product over on Walmart. Would you rather
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  Speaker 4: go buy it there? So that's another challenge posed by Amazon.
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  Speaker 4: They can put up all of the firewalls they want,
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  Speaker 4: but that might also just be redirecting traffic to one
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  Speaker 4: of their competitors. So, again, really thorny problem for them
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  Speaker 4: to try and work out, as we reckon with the
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  Speaker 4: growing prominence of these AI agents specifically on the open web.
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  Speaker 3: Mike, thank you. Always great information. No problem. We'll talk again.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up, who is using drones big time? And it's
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  Speaker 2: something we haven't brought up before. And so we'll be back.
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  Speaker 2: Easy for me to say. We'll be right back with that.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to Bill Handel On Demand from KFI AM640.
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  Speaker 2: The president just finished speaking in front of the UN.
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  Speaker 2: He was there for a while, maybe half an hour.
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  Speaker 2: And he made a couple of interesting statements, one of
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  Speaker 2: which the Iranians cannot be allowed to create a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 3: He got applause for that one. The rest of the
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  Speaker 3: world has no problem with that.
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  Speaker 2: And he also said, not unusually, that he will decide
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  Speaker 2: whether he's going to annihilate Iran or cut a deal
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  Speaker 2: with Iran.
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  Speaker 3: He will make the decision.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody just sat stone faced and just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he and he said outright, I'm the greatest president.
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  Speaker 3: Who ever is or was. God, I love that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: A story I want to share with you about drug
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  Speaker 2: cartels and Ukraine.
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  Speaker 3: Ukraine actually is.
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  Speaker 2: If not among the leading, the leading country in the
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  Speaker 2: world in terms of drone technology, way beyond the United States.
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  Speaker 2: When I when I was working and had my agency,
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  Speaker 2: whenever we needed to outsource anything because it was really
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  Speaker 2: expensive to do it here, we went to Ukraine.
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  Speaker 3: This was years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Because Ukraine was known for its technology, its technicians, the
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  Speaker 2: quality of the people involved in creating programs and algorithms.
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  Speaker 2: That was years ago, and it was far less expensive
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  Speaker 2: than here. Well, the war in Ukraine has really ramped up,
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  Speaker 2: and Ukraine's main defense at this point are these drones.
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  Speaker 2: And man, are they sophisticated. And you know who's picking
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  Speaker 2: up on that? Drug cartels. They're going and picking up.
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  Speaker 2: And what they do is they don't go to Ukraine.
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  Speaker 2: What they do is hire people from Ukraine to come
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  Speaker 2: to Mexico and Colombia and teach, for example, in Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: the droneros. That's people who are trained to use drones
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  Speaker 2: against enemies. Who are the enemies of the drug cartel? Well,
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  Speaker 2: Mexican and U.S. authorities, drug enforcement, police. You're talking about
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  Speaker 2: border enforcement. You're talking about the various police agencies. And
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to keep up with them.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because those guys from the Ukraine are. way ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 3: And these attacks that are happening with drones are happening
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  Speaker 3: more and more. Now, up to this point, it's been surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: The cartels have used drones for surveillance, looking at drug.
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  Speaker 3: Routes to make it more effective. And now they have
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  Speaker 3: moved with attacks, direct attacks with explosive drones.
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  Speaker 2: And there are a couple of figures that came in. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the figures themselves are pretty small. But when you look
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  Speaker 2: at the growth of It is completely crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Weaponized drones in Colombia shot up from 38 events in
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  Speaker 2: 2024 to 149 last year. As of the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: this year, it's 200 already. And it's growing and growing
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  Speaker 2: crazy because the cartels fighting. And again, these are people
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  Speaker 2: that have been hired by the cartels who are trained
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  Speaker 2: in Ukraine and and it's strictly a question of money.
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  Speaker 3: There's no ideology here.
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  Speaker 2: Someone from Ukraine who gets relatively little money realizes that
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  Speaker 2: from the cartel, and cartels are aggressively recruiting, can get
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  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of dollars a month to come here
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  Speaker 2: to build, to come here, that is Mexico and Colombia,
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  Speaker 2: to build and to run and train the people who
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  Speaker 2: use the drones to attack. And attack law enforcement. So
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  Speaker 2: just be prepared for a lot of that. And we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about explosives. And the United States and Mexico are
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  Speaker 2: trying to keep up with this. Man, they're doing everything
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  Speaker 2: they can. So the war against drugs has now escalated
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  Speaker 2: to that point. And the Trump administration, that has made
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  Speaker 2: it a big point to deal with narcotics coming in
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  Speaker 2: and has done a good job. There's no question that
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  Speaker 2: the amount of narcotics coming in has been reduced dramatically
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  Speaker 2: because of what the administration is doing. We're in a
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  Speaker 2: whole new stage, and this is really getting in the way.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe drugs are going up. For those of you that
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  Speaker 2: like cocaine and enjoy the various drugs and like doing Molly,
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  Speaker 2: for example— Things are getting better for you, okay?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, things are looking up. Yo, you
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  Speaker 3: cocaine and heroin user, don't be upset. The future is
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  Speaker 3: here and it's looking really good. All right, coming up,
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  Speaker 3: buying a first home.
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  Speaker 2: How does someone buy a first home? Well, there are
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  Speaker 2: ways to buy first homes and I will explain how
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  Speaker 2: that happens and then later on, grandparents. Why caring for
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  Speaker 2: grandchildren actually helps cognitive behavior, actually helps you think clearer.
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  Speaker 3: Bull. But I'll share that story with you. Don't go away.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to Bill Handel on demand from KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the stories we're looking at, the president just
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  Speaker 2: finished speaking a few minutes ago. at the UN, and
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  Speaker 2: he got applause a couple of times where he said
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  Speaker 2: that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Not so much
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  Speaker 2: applause when he talked about how great he was and
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  Speaker 2: how decisions that he can make and whether he's going
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  Speaker 2: to annihilate Iran and how he is the greatest president
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  Speaker 2: that ever lived or was. And, you know, everybody sat
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  Speaker 2: a little stoically on that one. Okay, and then Hurricane Polo,
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  Speaker 2: Category 5 this morning.
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  Speaker 3: And that's off the Pacific, off the coast of Mexico.
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  Speaker 3: And this is not good news. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now, a story I want to share with you about
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  Speaker 2: buying a first home and a little bit of history.
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  Speaker 2: Buying a first home is still possible, although we think
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  Speaker 2: it's impossible. Here in Southern California, it's, well, approaching impossible.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's a story about a couple in this
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  Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal who renting in Seattle, wanted to buy
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  Speaker 2: in Seattle, couldn't come close to afford Seattle, but they
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  Speaker 2: could afford Bremerton, where the median sale price of a
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  Speaker 2: home is half of that of Seattle. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: ends up happening. So where are the two, what are
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  Speaker 2: the two things you can do to buy a home?
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  Speaker 3: One, make a lot more money. Three things.
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  Speaker 2: That's, okay, that's off the table. But how about this?
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  Speaker 2: is really downsize your home, not get anywhere near what
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  Speaker 2: you would hope to get, and or move hours.
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  Speaker 3: Away and commute. And we're not.
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  Speaker 2: 45 minutes each way, certainly in Southern California, is not
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  Speaker 2: a commute.
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  Speaker 3: It starts at about an hour. Neil, where would you
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  Speaker 3: use the word commute? Long commute. At what point would
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  Speaker 3: you say that is? After, I don't know, after... 40 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: 40 minutes? Okay. See, I don't think 40 minutes is
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  Speaker 3: a commute.
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  Speaker 2: But the point is, those are the two ways that
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  Speaker 2: you can say maybe both. Now, it's not apples to
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  Speaker 2: apples because here's a little history. After World War II,
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  Speaker 2: when people were coming, you had the GIs coming from
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  Speaker 2: the various war theaters from the Pacific and from Europe.
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  Speaker 2: There was a guy named Leviton or Leavitt, and he
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  Speaker 2: built Leavittown. in Long Island, thousands of homes. And it
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  Speaker 2: was the first major, major project of homes that were
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  Speaker 2: built on an industrialized scale. First-time buyers could come in.
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  Speaker 2: GIs were, it was mainly GIs, and these were homes
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  Speaker 2: that were cracker box homes, cracker jack box homes that
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  Speaker 2: all looked the same. But let me tell you the
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  Speaker 2: size of the homes that were around back in the
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  Speaker 2: 40s and certainly in the 50s, mainly the 40s. A
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  Speaker 2: home that you bought in Levittown was 750 square feet.
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  Speaker 3: That's sort of a smaller apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Today, a home that you buy in the United States
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  Speaker 2: averages 2,000 square feet. It's a very different sale. But
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  Speaker 2: to buy a home, well, I've said this many times,
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  Speaker 2: look out the window. If you were to come to
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  Speaker 2: the studio, which of course you'll never be able to
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  Speaker 2: come to, if you look out the window of our studio,
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  Speaker 2: and this is Burbank, and you will see these small
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  Speaker 2: homes that are 900 feet, 1,100 square feet. tiny homes
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  Speaker 2: that were built probably in the 20s, tiny little lots.
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  Speaker 2: They're over a million dollars. They're a million dollars. So
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  Speaker 2: homes are super expensive. So where are you going to
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  Speaker 2: get homes that are relatively inexpensive that you can afford
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  Speaker 2: if you're not making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?
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  Speaker 3: Lancaster, San Bernardino, inland.
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  Speaker 2: You've got way out in the desert, probably Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: although even Las Vegas is getting pretty expensive. And it's
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  Speaker 2: getting depressive. It's getting depressing. And in the city of
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles, particularly, they still make it hard as hell.
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  Speaker 2: You know, with all of the new laws and new
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  Speaker 2: programs that have been been introduced, making home building and
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  Speaker 2: home buying easier in LA. They're selling fewer homes today
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  Speaker 2: than they were a year ago. The number of permits
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  Speaker 2: to build are down over a year ago. Oh, and
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  Speaker 2: let's not forget interest rates that are now kissing 7%,
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  Speaker 2: which is not insanely high, except it wasn't two years
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  Speaker 2: ago when it was 3% mortgage, 2.75% And it's going
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  Speaker 2: to take a while for people to forget that. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's finish up with grandparents. Caring for grandchildren, which is
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  Speaker 2: usually the case. Certainly hang out with grandkids. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know the more time grandparents spend with grandkids?
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  Speaker 3: There are.
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  Speaker 2: All kinds of benefits, including protecting your brain during aging.
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  Speaker 3: So what do I think of that? I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a crock. That's what I think of that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to give you some science when we
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  Speaker 2: come back and we finish up the show.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to Bill Handel on demand from KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, a quick word about podcasts. As a Everybody has
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  Speaker 3: a podcast now.
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  Speaker 2: So Lindsay and I are starting a travel podcast just
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  Speaker 2: for fun. And we are just going to share our
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  Speaker 2: crazy stuff like we're off to Africa. Matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday. And so we just thought I'd share. And
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  Speaker 2: as you can imagine, it gets pretty crazy. I wish
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  Speaker 2: we had videoed the first time I went to France.
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  Speaker 2: when I had my then French-Canadian girlfriend teach me the
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  Speaker 2: phrase when I hit a waiter, your mother was a
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  Speaker 2: Nazi collaborator during World War II, wasn't she? And so
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  Speaker 2: it was, it's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 3: And we just started it just for the hell of it.
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  Speaker 3: And hopefully you enjoy it. And here is, we already,
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  Speaker 3: today we started on Instagram, Excessive Baggage Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one. We only have one or two up.
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  Speaker 2: And the website is excessivebaggage.com. And over the course of
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  Speaker 2: the next few weeks, we're just going to have a
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  Speaker 2: great time. And that's, if you can imagine, sort of
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  Speaker 2: the way I do this show. Sorry for the cough.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of the way I do this show is the
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  Speaker 2: way I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Going to share.
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  Speaker 2: It's basically going to be this show, but it'll be
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  Speaker 2: a travelogue of this show with my crazy-ass wife, who
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  Speaker 2: is crazier than I am. So that's going to be fun.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I hope to enjoy it with you. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, and she answers email.
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  Speaker 3: I am not crazier than you. Yeah, you are. She
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  Speaker 3: answers the emails, and, you know, she pays attention. I don't. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: real quickly, grandparents. There's some new evidence.
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  Speaker 2: There's some new studies that have just come out, and
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  Speaker 2: these are relatively new, that grandparents, when they're with their grandchildren,
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  Speaker 2: It seems to protect your brain during aging. It may
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  Speaker 2: be linked to not only slower cognitive decline, but a
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  Speaker 2: lower risk of dementia and even a lower looking young brain.
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  Speaker 2: They can tell with MRIs how young your brain is.
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  Speaker 2: And the grandparents or the kids? Now, well, the grandparents,
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  Speaker 2: from what I understand. So here's the bottom line. You
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  Speaker 2: have your grandchild there and you love grandparents love being
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  Speaker 2: with grandchildren because it's all the positive and none of
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  Speaker 2: the negative. So you have your eight year old or
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  Speaker 2: 10 year old grand grandchild. grandchild come up to you
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  Speaker 2: and say hey grandpa uh do you mind if i
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  Speaker 2: borrow your axe because i want to hack my entire
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  Speaker 2: class to death you know take it up with your
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  Speaker 2: parents you know they'll they'll deal with it i just
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  Speaker 2: want to have a good time why don't we just
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  Speaker 2: have why don't we just go for an ice cream
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  Speaker 2: and perspective uh yeah uh that's basically uh the line
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  Speaker 2: one of the first population study and it had to
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  Speaker 2: do with dementia and it had to do with cognitive
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  Speaker 2: abilities and it showed straight out uh, that, uh, there is.
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  Speaker 3: A cognitive issue going on being a grandparent.
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  Speaker 2: Now, uh, interestingly enough, uh, grandmothers and grandfathers, uh, are
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  Speaker 2: affected differently. Uh, and they're trying to keep up, uh, with, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, why, and, uh, you have, um, all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of suppositions because they, as I said, uh, the, um,
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  Speaker 2: research just started. And, uh, one of the theories is
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  Speaker 2: that grandmothers had more benefits, uh, Because they're engaged in
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  Speaker 2: lower intensity caregiving. Grandfathers benefit from higher intensity. And that's
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  Speaker 2: just sitting down and talking to the kids. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what happened to me with my kids. You know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my ex, she would sit and parent the kid. And
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  Speaker 2: grandfathers parent the kids even less than grandmothers. Because grandfathers
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  Speaker 2: are not caregivers anymore. they just have a good time
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  Speaker 2: with their grandkids, you know, and with my children talking
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  Speaker 2: about mass murders and politics. And we just had a
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  Speaker 2: great time.
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  Speaker 3: We really did.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't wait to have grandkids because can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine what I'm going to do to my grandchildren, especially
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  Speaker 2: when my kids are not around? I guarantee you there
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  Speaker 2: will be studies done on my grandchildren. and papers written
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  Speaker 2: on them. Oh, it's going to be great.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be great. Okay, we're done, guys. So
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow we come back.
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  Speaker 2: Will and Amy are back at 5 o'clock with Wake
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  Speaker 2: Up Call, and Neil and I are on from 6
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  Speaker 2: to right about now.
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  Speaker 3: Ann and Kono, who is not here today, Mario is here.
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  Speaker 2: And Mario, thanks very much for being here.
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