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Sharri | 24 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening Tonight.
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Speaker 2: Discussions unfolding inside the Albanezy government about whether Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: needs to step aside as Energy minister after taking on
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Speaker 2: the Cop thirty one presidency. Andrew Charlton is in the
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Speaker 2: box seat. If this happens, I'll have the exclusive details
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Speaker 2: in a moment, the bombshell plan for Josh Fridenberg to
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Speaker 2: return to politics, this after the coalition is stuck on
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Speaker 2: record low numbers. Those details shortly and reaction from Roman
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Speaker 2: Bishop and Ray Hadley. Shocking scenes out of New York
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Speaker 2: protesters outside of Manhattan synagogue chanting we need to make
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Speaker 2: them scared, yet ma'm dani attacks this synagogue. More on
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Speaker 2: that with Koshagada plus UK police set to question Andrew's
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Speaker 2: close protection officers amid accusations they were asked to dig
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Speaker 2: up dirt on Virginia Guffrey.
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Speaker 1: But first tonight I can.
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Speaker 2: Reveal there are discussions unfolding inside the Albanese government about
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Speaker 2: whether Chris Bowen should step aside as Energy Minister to
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Speaker 2: be replaced by star performer Andrew Charlson. It comes after
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Speaker 2: Bowen was appointed the President of Negotiations for the CUP
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Speaker 2: thirty one summit to be held in Turkey next year.
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Speaker 2: My confidential sources tell me this is all about timing
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Speaker 2: and neither Albaneasi nor Bowen are in a rush to
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Speaker 2: make a decision about whether Bowen can maintain both roles
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Speaker 2: at the same time.
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Speaker 1: The timeline for this may be up to Bowen himself.
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Speaker 2: Bowen's role as President of Negotiations was a concession from Turkey,
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Speaker 2: which won the bid to host the Climate Summit over Australia.
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Speaker 2: Bowen excitedly announced his role last week.
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Speaker 1: As you'll recall, there's also.
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Speaker 3: A significant a session for Turkia to ensure to agree
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Speaker 3: that Australia would be the COP president for the purposes
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Speaker 3: of the negotiations. Significant concessions what's required when you are
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Speaker 3: trying to find consensus with Turkey. Also a point to
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Speaker 3: a COP president for the listener, So Turkey would be
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Speaker 3: the COP President for the purposes of that. I would
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Speaker 3: be the COP President for the purposes of the negotiations.
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Speaker 3: We're working to ensure good outcomes.
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Speaker 2: But now there are serious questions about how he can
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Speaker 2: do both roles climate Change Minister for Australia and the
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Speaker 2: President of the COP thirty one negotiations. There are logistical
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Speaker 2: and practical issues as well as policy considerations. Logistically, Australia
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Speaker 2: is a twenty plus hour flight from Turkey, Bowen holds
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Speaker 2: a senior position and it would be difficult to pay
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Speaker 2: full attention to our energy prices and the energy rollout
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Speaker 2: in Turkey. Secondly, there are already major conflicts emerging between
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Speaker 2: the interests of both roles, and this conflict was featured
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Speaker 2: prominently on the front page of The Australian Today with
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Speaker 2: a report that Bowen is signaling to Pacific allies that
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Speaker 2: a transition away from fossil fuels will be central to
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Speaker 2: his work as the world's new top emissions reduction negotiator,
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Speaker 2: despite Albanezi backing in gas use.
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Speaker 1: And poll exports at the G twenty.
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Speaker 2: As he tries to balance his roles as a top
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Speaker 2: cabinet minister back home and a COP diplomat, Bowen faces
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Speaker 2: months of trying to appease nations, including the Pacific island
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Speaker 2: countries who face this year's COP, who fear this year's
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Speaker 2: COP didn't go far enough on fossil fuels, and the
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Speaker 2: OS reports that Bowen is also facing pressure from the
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Speaker 2: mining lobby to hold the line on gas and he
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Speaker 2: must now also balance his own Prime Minister's strong support
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Speaker 2: this weekend and for the use of fossil fuel.
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Speaker 1: In our net zero strategy.
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Speaker 2: So clearly, as COP President Bowen will be pushing for
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Speaker 2: the strongest transition away from fossil fuels, but in Australia
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Speaker 2: he still needs to rely on this for our own
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Speaker 2: energy mix to keep the lights on. This is an
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Speaker 2: undeniable conflict. The Prime Minister and his ministers are claiming
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Speaker 2: publicly there's no problem.
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Speaker 4: Chris is a perfect candidate for that job. He looks
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Speaker 4: after these issues in Australia and now Australia with Chris
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Speaker 4: has the opportunity to do that on the national stage.
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Speaker 5: This decision of the COP to have Minister Bowen to
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Speaker 5: also have the position of being in charge of negotiations,
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Speaker 5: there's something that I would have thought was pretty good.
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Speaker 6: Those are not con licting objectives because the global shift
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Speaker 6: to net zero is a massive economic opportunity for our country,
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Speaker 6: our economy and for its people.
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Speaker 2: But these questions won't subside, and the Opposition pressed on
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Speaker 2: this today in Question time.
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Speaker 7: Why isn't this part time minister, full time president using
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Speaker 7: this unprecedented influence to lower energy bills for Australians.
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Speaker 8: Why is the part time energy minister, full time president
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Speaker 8: globe trotting around the world seeking to broke a global
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Speaker 8: climate conference communicates instead of helping struggling Australians at home.
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister, Why is the part time energy minister, full
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Speaker 9: time president more concerned with the next decade of cop
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Speaker 9: negotiations than he is with the next decade of power
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Speaker 9: bills for Australian households and businesses.
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Speaker 2: And Bowen's opposite number, Dan Tian, says it's not sustainable
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Speaker 2: when power prices continue to climb.
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Speaker 10: PM Today was asked will he deliver his two hundred
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Speaker 10: and seventy five dollars cut and electricity prices by the
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Speaker 10: end of the year that he promised, And of course
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Speaker 10: he couldn't even answer that question. So what it shows
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Speaker 10: clearly is that the government doesn't have its priorities right.
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Speaker 9: Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, he said that they're not.
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Speaker 11: Competing objectives reducing emissions and cunning power prices.
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Speaker 10: What do you say to that, Well, I say that
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Speaker 10: they are competing objectives and the government have shown quite
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Speaker 10: clearly by trying to do both that they've failed. Energy
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Speaker 10: affordability is our number one priority and it's impossible to
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Speaker 10: see that it can be Chris Bowen's when he's spending
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Speaker 10: half his time around the world doing the bidding of
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Speaker 10: the United Nations.
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Speaker 2: So there is now a decision to be made about
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen stepping down from his ministry position. And these
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Speaker 2: are the discussions unfolding inside the Albaneze government. Former Labour
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Speaker 2: State Secretary Cameron Milner, who's close to the Labor right,
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Speaker 2: writes tonight in The Nightly that Bowen is now in
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Speaker 2: the precarious position of being the president of a cop
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Speaker 2: being held not in Adelaide, but half a world away.
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Speaker 2: He writes, already the rumor meal is running with Andrew
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Speaker 2: Charlton being briefed out as the likely Bowen replacement. And
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Speaker 2: I'll get more inside detail on this with Milner, who's
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Speaker 2: on the show shortly. But if this decision is made
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Speaker 2: that Bowen should focus on his passion as a climate
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Speaker 2: change global diplomat, then Andrew Charlton would be first in
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Speaker 2: line for the new cabinet ministry. Charlton is considered the
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Speaker 2: smartest figure in the Albanese government, and yet he doesn't
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Speaker 2: have a cabinet ministry. He has deep government experience, leading
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Speaker 2: Australia's response to the global financial crisis under Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 2: as Prime Minister, and he sold his startup Alphabeta to
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Speaker 2: Accenture for tens of millions of dollars five years ago.
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Speaker 2: His firm incidentally did a lot of work on climate policy.
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Speaker 2: Now the media and labor love to make fun of
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Speaker 2: his property portfolio worth some forty million dollars, but this
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Speaker 2: just reflects his business success. He's also co authored a
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Speaker 2: book with Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz, and he has
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Speaker 2: a PhD.
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Speaker 1: In economics from Oxford.
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Speaker 2: It's why he should have a leading role in the
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Speaker 2: government and the Prime Minister knows this. He thinks this,
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Speaker 2: and so Albaneze. He made Charlton Cabinet Secretary so he
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Speaker 2: could be in the cabinet room sitting in on the
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Speaker 2: deliberations and decisions. It also sent the signal to the
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Speaker 2: factional heavyweights that Charlton was next in line for a position. Now,
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen will not want to step down, and he'll
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Speaker 2: likely be arguing that he can do both roles, and
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Speaker 2: he may prevail in this quest.
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Speaker 1: But the Prime Minister may.
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Speaker 2: Be inclined to urge a change because he wants to
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Speaker 2: give new opportunities to others. And it's a legitimate point
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Speaker 2: that if Bowen is negotiating at COP thirty one, he
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be hamstrung by the Albanese government's own policies on
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Speaker 2: coal and gas. As I said, I'll come back to
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Speaker 2: that topic in a moment with Cameron Milner. But in
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Speaker 2: terms of the federal leadership for the Liberal Party, it
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Speaker 2: is now a matter of.
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Speaker 1: Time for Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: The only question is whether the next leader will be
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor or Andrew Hasty. Since the crushing defeat in May,
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Speaker 2: the party's prospects under Susan's leadership have only collapsed further
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Speaker 2: to now what is the worst result in Newspoll's history.
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Speaker 2: Even after dumping net zero, the party's primary vote is
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Speaker 2: still hovering around twenty four percent. Colleagues have been discussing
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Speaker 2: who would be a better replacement, Angus Taylor or Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 2: There are some moderates who prefer Hasty, while others are
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Speaker 2: angered by what they claim to be his undermining of
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee and Conservatives are also divided on who would
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Speaker 2: be the best leader out of the pair. Newspoll Today
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Speaker 2: examined voter sentiment, and the data shows that more voters
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Speaker 2: would prefer Hasty to Taylor. When asked who they would
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Speaker 2: prefer as the leader of the federal coalition, twenty one
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Speaker 2: percent said Susan Lee, so she still came out on top.
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Speaker 2: Fifteen percent said Hasty and nine percent answered Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: But these aren't the only options for the Liberal leadership
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Speaker 2: long term. Emilia Hamer, who ran against Minnique Ryan and
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Speaker 2: Couyong at the last election, was pre select did yesterday
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Speaker 2: for the state seat of Melvin. That leaves Kujong open
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Speaker 2: again for Josh Friedenburg. If he is willing to run.
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Speaker 2: His supporters would like to see him running Kujong at
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Speaker 2: the next election, which is in twenty twenty eight. They'd
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Speaker 2: like to see him win that seat back and then
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Speaker 2: take over the Liberal leadership. If successful, he would give
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Speaker 2: the coalition the best chance of defeating Labor at the
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty one election.
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Speaker 1: Now it's a long time.
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Speaker 2: Away, but the reality is that without a major unforeseen
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Speaker 2: event or a Labor Party scandal, this is the earliest
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Speaker 2: the liberals can realistically hope to get back into government
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Speaker 2: given the size of the Albanesy government's governing majority, it's
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Speaker 2: a formidable buffer.
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Speaker 1: And the coalition isn't doing.
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Speaker 2: Enough work or displaying enough unity to be in a
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Speaker 2: governing position anytime soon.
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Speaker 1: The disunity is rife.
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Speaker 2: This is disastrous for Australians and for democracy because labor
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Speaker 2: just isn't being held to account.
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Speaker 1: It can get.
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Speaker 2: Away with anything like an inexcusable one hundred million dollar
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Speaker 2: website for the Bureau of Meteorology New southwal Was Premier
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins, a labor premier, is doing a better job
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Speaker 2: of holding his own side to account than the federal
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Speaker 2: opposition is under Susan Lee. And today Min's criticized the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government's lack of action on housing zero nothing.
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Speaker 12: I think we get a billion dollars on a pro
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Speaker 12: rata level, so I mean it's not an incentive at all.
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Speaker 12: It's also backloaded. I mean we would prefer the money
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Speaker 12: now if they want to help. But you know classic
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Speaker 12: of the Federation genre where everybody gets around a table
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Speaker 12: and they put in these you know, incentive clauses, the
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Speaker 12: backloaded and then the media release comes out but we
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Speaker 12: would prefer practical help right now for really boring but
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Speaker 12: absolutely essential parts of state government, like enabling infrastructure that
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Speaker 12: is brutal.
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Speaker 2: This criticism from a trusted premier carries far more weight
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Speaker 2: than from the weak coalition federally. Now, whether the Liberals
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Speaker 2: sought their leadership out now or early in the new year,
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Speaker 2: it is only a matter of time, and as voter
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Speaker 2: support slips further away from them, time is one thing
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Speaker 2: they can't afford to waste. All right, to discuss all
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Speaker 2: of this, let's bring in our former Speaker of the
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Speaker 2: House Brown Bishop and Cameron Milner, former State Secretary and
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Speaker 2: Chief of Staff to Bill shod And great to see
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Speaker 2: you both. And just because Cameron, I just quoted your column,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to start with you. So I've just reported
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Speaker 2: you back it in in your column tonight that there
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Speaker 2: are discussions unfolding inside the Albanezy government about the practicality
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Speaker 2: of Chris Bowen doing both roles and Charlton will be
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Speaker 2: the first in line to replace him.
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Speaker 1: What are you hearing?
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Speaker 11: Well, Absolutely, and there's real concern in terms of what
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Speaker 11: the practical reality is between Bowen doing this work. I
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Speaker 11: mean when the UK minister in a similar position. Alex
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Speaker 11: Shalmer was also the COP twenty six present. He did
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Speaker 11: fifty one global meetings. Fifty one global meetings, but that
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Speaker 11: was in the UK, it wasn't from Australia at the
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Speaker 11: back end of the world. I mean, so it's a
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Speaker 11: real issues in terms of practically how this is going
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Speaker 11: to work through, but also too, I mean, why hold
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Speaker 11: Andrew Charlton back? I mean, Andrew Sharlton deserves to be
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Speaker 11: in cabinet. He deserves to be a minister already. He's
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Speaker 11: incredibly talented to your point earlier, you know, great on economics,
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Speaker 11: great opportunity if the opportunity opens up for Charlton to
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Speaker 11: actually join the ministry. As I said, I think there's
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Speaker 11: a speculation certainly in terms of splitting climate change and
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Speaker 11: energy and giving energy to Charlton.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's fascinating. I haven't heard that yet.
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Speaker 2: So what would be the theory behind that splitting the portfolio? Sorry,
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Speaker 2: so Chris Bowen would actually maintain the climate portfolio and
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Speaker 2: Charlton would have that's right, the energy it would.
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Speaker 11: Have, that's right. So suddenly you have climate change being
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Speaker 11: focused on the UN stuff. There's a little bit of
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Speaker 11: alignment there, but you finally have a retail face as
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Speaker 11: someone who's actually the cop on the beat for cheaper
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Speaker 11: power prices, which is what you know Bowen's criticized a
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Speaker 11: not being but with a pure energy policy portfolio should
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Speaker 11: say and chart and skill. He did really really well
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Speaker 11: in that space.
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Speaker 2: That's really interesting because of course, you know, despite his
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Speaker 2: own background, he is the paramatter MP. So his electorate
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Speaker 2: are doing it really tough with energy prices. So that's
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Speaker 2: a fascinating that you go, Cameron Milner, love it when
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Speaker 2: you bring news to the television program. So Karen repeating
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Speaker 2: and reinforcing what I'm hearing with that extra bit of
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Speaker 2: detail that perhaps the portfolio could be split brom when
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Speaker 2: the issue, though, is also Bowen thinking he can globally
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Speaker 2: save the world from climate change when he can't even
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Speaker 2: get our energy bills down, you know, that broken promise
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Speaker 2: of two seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 13: Look, Bowen is regarded as a clown. He's a failure
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Speaker 13: at every ministry he's had, and he's an embarrassment to
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Speaker 13: the government. And I said last week as soon as
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Speaker 13: you took on this job, I said, it's the perfect
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Speaker 13: exit strategy. He wants an international role. He wants to
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Speaker 13: strut around the world stage. And even poor older Farrell
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Speaker 13: there was getting the national stage mixed up with the
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Speaker 13: international stage when he was trying to defend Bowen in
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Speaker 13: that interview.
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Speaker 1: He did so.
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Speaker 13: I think it allows Albanezi to dump Bowen without having
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Speaker 13: to have a full reshuffle.
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Speaker 1: He can.
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Speaker 13: It's an interesting idea that you've put forward.
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Speaker 1: For it to be split.
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Speaker 13: But whichever way it goes, I think the government wants
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Speaker 13: to be rid of Bowen and this is the perfect exit.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing, of course, is that you know
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Speaker 2: Bowen is considered a failure on bringing down energy prices.
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Speaker 2: But I will just say that I don't think Bowen
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Speaker 2: will give up the climate portfolio readily. So that's why
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Speaker 2: your idea makes sense. We'll not your idea, sorry, Cameron.
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Speaker 2: Now you know what you've heard from your very good
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Speaker 2: labor colleagues makes sense because Chris Bowen sees climate in
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Speaker 2: Australia as his legacy.
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Speaker 1: He wants it to be like a medicare you know
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Speaker 1: he wants to be.
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Speaker 2: This labor hero bringing in the transition. I know it
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Speaker 2: sounds ridiculous to us, but this is the ego of
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Speaker 2: the guy. So I don't think he's going to be
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Speaker 2: letting go and that climate policy anytime soon.
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Speaker 1: Cameron, what's your reaction to this? I think so.
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Speaker 11: I mean, you know, Chris has been a climate warrior,
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Speaker 11: you know, both in opposition but also in government as well.
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Speaker 11: It is actually his passion in terms of the policy space,
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Speaker 11: so that split would make a lot of sense. It
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Speaker 11: would also give albow Charlton being the retail face of
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Speaker 11: bringing down the cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm keen to get both of your view on
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Speaker 2: the news poll results today showing that Hasty is ahead
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Speaker 2: of Angus Taylor according to voters, but Susan Lee is
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Speaker 2: still above them both.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, bromwin Well?
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Speaker 13: I found it interesting. I guess the most alarming figure
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Speaker 13: is the forty six percent of people neither know nor care,
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Speaker 13: which puts a different complexion perhaps on the other results. Basically,
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Speaker 13: it hasn't moved except the Greens have gone up and
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Speaker 13: the Teals have gone down. And the policy for Susan
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Speaker 13: has only been there for one week for her to
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Speaker 13: sell and I think she's had a very good week.
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Speaker 13: And I think step two of the policy initiative is
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Speaker 13: going to be immigration and I think she's got to
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Speaker 13: be given a go to sell the decision they've taken
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Speaker 13: already and have but me the immigration policy in place
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Speaker 13: as well, and go out and sell the duo. Then
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Speaker 13: let's see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's very fair assessment. Well, Cameron is
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Speaker 2: a former high level aabor strategist. Who do you think
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Speaker 2: would have the best chance out of these candidates of
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Speaker 2: actually being competitive against the Albaneze government.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think Brom's got the right point from the poll.
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Speaker 11: None of the above, sharing, none of the above. I mean,
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Speaker 11: the Liberals are an awful conundrum, awful conundrum. The only
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Speaker 11: mild hope that Hasty has is to appeal to the
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Speaker 11: say I've got more one nation people supporting me. That's
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Speaker 11: the only conclusion out of that pole. And that's a
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Speaker 11: pretty pyrrhic victory considering they've actually taken that vote from
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Speaker 11: the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Karen, I just want to stick with you because
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Speaker 2: you wrote an incredible column about Linda Reynolds and this
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Speaker 2: two point four million dollar payout that the Albanzi government
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Speaker 2: or the Commonwealth Government made to Britney Higgins. You're saying
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Speaker 2: it is time now for an inquiry.
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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, it's well overdue. It was time within weeks of
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Speaker 11: Kimberly Kitchen's passing. But let's not put that to one side.
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Speaker 11: This is an inquiry that needs to happen. This is
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Speaker 11: haunted Gallagher, haunted one, haunted the Albanese government and we
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Speaker 11: need to clear the air once and for all. If
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Speaker 11: they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear, Shari,
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Speaker 11: they should actually front the inquiry and tell their side
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Speaker 11: of the story because two courts of law have found
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Speaker 11: they didn't get it right, two courts of law Shari
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Speaker 11: have found that Wong and Gallagher weaponized an allegation of rape,
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Speaker 11: which is the most shocking and disgusting politics, the nastiest
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Speaker 11: of politics. And that's what they've done, and they should
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Speaker 11: front inquiry and explain themselves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brom, when you look back at Katie Gallagher's comments
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Speaker 2: and I played a lot of them on the program
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Speaker 2: on Thursday, and just the way in which he accuses
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Speaker 2: the Morrison government of covering up a rape we now
20:38
Speaker 2: know two courts have found this just didn't happen. There
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Speaker 2: was no cover up. So there does need to be
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Speaker 2: some accountability, doesn't that?
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Speaker 13: Yes, there does, and I think I've been saying that
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Speaker 13: all along, and others have too, because those attacks were
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Speaker 13: vicious and they were deliberately designed to break then Senator Reynolds,
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Speaker 13: and she has had the courage and the personal commitment
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Speaker 13: to say no, I'm having my reputation back. And I
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Speaker 13: think hats off to her. I mean, she's had to
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Speaker 13: find the finances to do it, personal hardship in that sense,
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Speaker 13: and she values her reputation and she values what she did,
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Speaker 13: and she acted properly. And Cavin, you're quite right to
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Speaker 13: say that they've got nothing to hide. They should come
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Speaker 13: out and say so. But you've only got to look
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Speaker 13: at the phases of those mean girls Wong and Gallagher
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Speaker 13: when you sew those clips again, and they are so
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Speaker 13: ugly in their attack. It is truly diminishing of women.
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Speaker 2: So I sign.
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Speaker 13: Also to take away Senator Rerell's agency to say we
21:49
Speaker 13: will not fund your legal costs unless you get out
21:54
Speaker 13: and don't don't try and defend yourself. And then for
21:57
Speaker 13: the government to take over her position and not offend
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Speaker 13: it was absolutely disgraceful. No wonder Drayfus has.
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Speaker 1: Gone, although of course not over this, but.
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Speaker 2: No, not over this, but at the time, it was
22:09
Speaker 2: so frustrating watch this political campaign play out exploiting a
22:14
Speaker 2: young women's tragic rape, and then, you know, for it
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Speaker 2: to take all these years down the track, only for
22:21
Speaker 2: court after court to vindicate her. It just horrific the
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Speaker 2: way politics can be weaponized like this.
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Speaker 13: Well, if you watch the word it played out, and
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Speaker 13: then the apology from the then Prime Minister to Higgins,
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Speaker 13: I think was also very damaging to his own senator.
22:42
Speaker 2: Just finally, James Packer has gone nuclear on Daniel Andrews.
22:45
Speaker 2: You might have seen this already, if not here, he
22:48
Speaker 2: was on Joe Aston's podcast.
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Speaker 14: Daniel Andrews is about my least favorite person in the world.
22:54
Speaker 14: I think Daniel Andrews not only ruined Victoria, he almost
22:58
Speaker 14: ruined my life. I couldn't speak more lowly of Daniel Andrews.
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Speaker 14: I think he's human filth.
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Speaker 15: Sounds like a Joe Aston column.
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Speaker 14: I hope he sues me.
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Speaker 1: So Cameron.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews hasn't responded yet. Just into Alan did step
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Speaker 2: in to defend her predecessor today, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 2: everyone's playing the clipbit, but the fact is that caused
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Speaker 2: Packer a lot of Deepert.
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Speaker 11: Well, it did, but so did commissions of inquiry as
23:28
Speaker 11: well into both Crown and Star. I mean, the casino
23:31
Speaker 11: industry as such needed obviously a cleansing process and needed
23:35
Speaker 11: to be fully investigated. So just blaming one premium one
23:37
Speaker 11: text rise, I think misses the point that the whole
23:40
Speaker 11: sector was obviously serious and critically in need of that inquiries.
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Speaker 2: All right, Camera, Milner, Grum and Bishop, thank you both
23:47
Speaker 2: so much. Well, big drama in the Senate today, as
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Speaker 2: you know by now, with Pauline Hanson wearing a burker
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Speaker 2: and refusing to leave, leading to the Senate being suspended.
23:58
Speaker 2: You just heard the one Nation to telling Andrew Bolt
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Speaker 2: why she performed the stunt.
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Speaker 16: You know, I think it goes against a culture in
24:07
Speaker 16: our way of life, and this is why I wanted
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Speaker 16: to introduce the bill. Now, I just started to introduce
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Speaker 16: the bill and it took one voice Andrew. There was
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Speaker 16: a couple actually said no, denied me the right. So
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Speaker 16: straight away they denied me the right to ban the burker.
24:22
Speaker 16: So I actually left the chamber. I went up and
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Speaker 16: I put the burker on, and I thought, well, if
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Speaker 16: you won't ban the burker, then I'm going to wear it.
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Speaker 1: Well, didn't that upset them?
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Speaker 16: They didn't want me to wear the burker in pump.
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Speaker 16: They don't want to ban it, but they don't want
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Speaker 16: me to wear an in parliament, So what do they want?
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Speaker 1: They are a bunch of hypocrites.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma was in the Senate as this
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Speaker 2: happened and he joins me, now, Dave, good to see you.
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Speaker 2: What's your view and Pauline has in wearing the burker
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Speaker 2: into the Senate this afternoon.
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Speaker 17: Well, I think it was a shocking act. I think
24:54
Speaker 17: it debased the Parliament. I think it was a stunt.
24:57
Speaker 17: I think it was offensive to many Australian Muslims. But
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Speaker 17: it was also offensive I think to many right thinking
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Speaker 17: Australians who respect the diversity of religion in our countries
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Speaker 17: and respect people's freedom of religion. And I think, you know,
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Speaker 17: it undermines whatever argument Senator Hanson was seeking to put
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Speaker 17: forward with that sort of infantile stunt.
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Speaker 2: What about the counter argument that some are saying, you know,
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Speaker 2: there's no problem when others wear the KFA into the
25:26
Speaker 2: Senate or take a fish into the Senate. As a
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Speaker 2: Greens politician, did you know, do you think there is
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Speaker 2: an inconsistency here in how the rules are applied.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, the rules as they such as they exist,
25:41
Speaker 17: rely upon the maturity and sense of responsibility of each
25:44
Speaker 17: Senator who's elected to represent the people of an entire
25:48
Speaker 17: state to equit their responsibilities with the appropriate dignity and
25:53
Speaker 17: status that the office should entitle or should command. Now,
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Speaker 17: I'm not a fan of anyone undertaking stunts in the Senate,
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Speaker 17: whether it's wearing slogans on T shirts or other headgear
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Speaker 17: or headdress, but I would say that this was I
26:12
Speaker 17: think the only way you can interpret it was it
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Speaker 17: was making light of or making fun of a religious garb.
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Speaker 17: I mean, I wouldn't think it was funny if someone
26:22
Speaker 17: came into the Senate dressed as an Orthodox Jew or
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Speaker 17: any number of other things if they weren't of that faith.
26:27
Speaker 17: I just think it's trying to make a mockery of
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Speaker 17: people's faith, and I don't think it's what the Senate
26:31
Speaker 17: should be used for. If you want to go out
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Speaker 17: and do a press conference like that, well, look, go ahead.
26:36
Speaker 17: It's a free country. But I think the Senate should
26:38
Speaker 17: expect and is entitled to expect a better quality of
26:43
Speaker 17: representation from its senators.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's often a complete just clown show in the Senate.
26:49
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. The new Liberal leader in
26:52
Speaker 2: New South Wales, Kelly Sloan, has hit the ground running
26:54
Speaker 2: in the past few days now, Dave, first of all,
26:57
Speaker 2: you were very diplomatic when I asked you a week
26:59
Speaker 2: ago if Kelly Sloane would make a good opposition leader.
27:02
Speaker 2: And this was as the spill was happening behind the
27:05
Speaker 2: scenes and we were reporting on it here. Look, can
27:07
Speaker 2: you be less diplomatic this week and share your thoughts
27:10
Speaker 2: on her taking on the top job.
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Speaker 17: Look, I do think I think Kelly will and has
27:17
Speaker 17: already started to be a great opposition leader in New
27:21
Speaker 17: South Wales. I think highly and Mark speakman, I think
27:23
Speaker 17: he was handed a difficult task at a difficult time
27:25
Speaker 17: and I think, you know, he gave it his best.
27:28
Speaker 17: But you know, there's been a decision to change the personnel.
27:32
Speaker 17: And I know Kelly is talented, she's hard working, she's personable,
27:36
Speaker 17: she gets across a brief and she's hungry and I
27:39
Speaker 17: think they're all very important ingredients for a successful opposition
27:43
Speaker 17: leader that is, frankly speaking, taking on a popular state
27:47
Speaker 17: labor government.
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Speaker 2: In New South Wales, we've seen Kelly Sloane calling on
27:51
Speaker 2: the federal government to bring back the Costello era baby bonus.
27:55
Speaker 2: She's also calling for the Men's government to reinstate an
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Speaker 2: IVS rebate to help family struggling to have a baby now.
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Speaker 1: She argues these policies.
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Speaker 2: Are needed because we're now in a baby recession, fertility
28:08
Speaker 2: rates declining.
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Speaker 1: What do you think.
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Speaker 17: I do worry about Australia's long term demography. I mean
28:15
Speaker 17: that the number of children that people choose to have
28:18
Speaker 17: is declining, and some of that might be personal choice
28:22
Speaker 17: and personal preference, but I think a lot of it
28:23
Speaker 17: reflects economic circumstances. When you're an income tax owner and
28:27
Speaker 17: it's very difficult to support a family these days on
28:30
Speaker 17: one income only, you're hesitant for one person to take
28:33
Speaker 17: time out of the workforce to raise a child. When
28:36
Speaker 17: you're faced with a median house price north of a
28:38
Speaker 17: million dollars in Sydney, you need that income to afford
28:41
Speaker 17: a home. So I think a lot of the cost
28:43
Speaker 17: of living pressures on families that the Labor government federally
28:46
Speaker 17: has presided over, meaning that people are having fewer children
28:49
Speaker 17: than they'd like. And I think that's a deeply sad thing.
28:52
Speaker 17: It's sad for our society, but I think it's sad
28:55
Speaker 17: for those families because they're going to miss out on
28:57
Speaker 17: some of the joy of children.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So think about the idea of the baby bonus,
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Speaker 2: you know, one for each parent, one for the country,
29:04
Speaker 2: supporting supporting families to do that financially.
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Speaker 17: I'm supportive of all policies that will help encourage family formation.
29:13
Speaker 17: So I think, you know, looking at things like the
29:15
Speaker 17: tax deductibility of childcare, looking at potentially income splitting at
29:19
Speaker 17: the whole household level, and indeed a baby bonus and
29:23
Speaker 17: more generous parental leave entitlement. So I think they're all
29:26
Speaker 17: options we should be looking at. You know, I was
29:30
Speaker 17: the beneficiary of my wife and I were the beneficiary
29:33
Speaker 17: of a baby bonus when it was introduced under the
29:36
Speaker 17: Howard and Costello government, and yes, it made a difference,
29:39
Speaker 17: and I think we saw a baby bump around that
29:42
Speaker 17: time in the first deck out of the two thousands
29:44
Speaker 17: because of that. But I think there's also more things.
29:47
Speaker 17: I mean, bringing down housing prices, lessening the burden on
29:51
Speaker 17: income or listening the income tax burden on working families,
29:55
Speaker 17: and bringing down inflation. Are all things that the government
29:57
Speaker 17: can do right now that would help I think carriage.
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Speaker 1: Family formation exactly.
30:02
Speaker 2: All right, Dave Sharma, great to see you as always,
30:04
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and of course Dave is live
30:06
Speaker 2: in camera where Parliament is sitting.
30:08
Speaker 1: This week.
30:09
Speaker 2: We'll still to come the ABC Newsroom debate over the
30:12
Speaker 2: gender of a tortoise seriously, plus the plan for Josh
30:17
Speaker 2: Friedenberg to return to politics. Ray Hadley would join me
30:20
Speaker 2: and share his thoughts after this quick break. Welcome back
30:28
Speaker 2: and joining me now in studio is radio legend Ray Hadley.
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Speaker 1: Ray, great to see you.
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Speaker 15: Great to be here, Gerry, thank you very much for
30:35
Speaker 15: your con invitation.
30:36
Speaker 2: As always, as always, you've been in the news this weekend,
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Speaker 2: unfortunately for our heartbreaking reason. And I'm so sorry to
30:43
Speaker 2: hear that your granddaughter Loyla has been dealing with a
30:46
Speaker 2: health setback over the past month.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
30:49
Speaker 15: As I've told you and your viewers previously, little Lola
30:52
Speaker 15: ah four hes lakemia diagnosed the sixth of January. Then
30:57
Speaker 15: things got really desperate about a month ago, diagnosed with
31:00
Speaker 15: a thing called vod I won't bore you or the
31:03
Speaker 15: viewers with the exact explanation, but what it is. The
31:06
Speaker 15: chemo that's said to save her life attacked her liver.
31:10
Speaker 15: Happens at about ten percent of cases, and we're on
31:14
Speaker 15: a knife edge for about three weeks. It looks like
31:17
Speaker 15: the wonderful specialist of John Hunter and Newcastle if I
31:20
Speaker 15: arrested Vod. I can't say enough about the nurses in
31:24
Speaker 15: the oncology ward at the Children's Hospital. These are men
31:28
Speaker 15: and women who have my undying admiration. Today she was selected,
31:34
Speaker 15: she's been there for eleven months, in and out to
31:37
Speaker 15: be the little girl that switched on.
31:39
Speaker 14: The Christmas tree.
31:40
Speaker 15: So she was joined by her elder sister and little
31:43
Speaker 15: sister with pop and her grandma and my wife, Saphie,
31:47
Speaker 15: she calls her CC and her cousins bar two of them,
31:50
Speaker 15: two little ones who couldn't travel up, and a big
31:53
Speaker 15: gathering of children from the cancer ward you as well.
31:56
Speaker 15: I was there and Santa Claus came along with missus
31:59
Speaker 15: Claw and an elf and they turned on the lights
32:02
Speaker 15: and little Lola switched on the light and she was
32:05
Speaker 15: beaming and she got a big kettle of Santa Claus
32:07
Speaker 15: and it really, it really, you know, grabbed everyone's attention.
32:12
Speaker 15: My daughter was cocker who my son in law was
32:14
Speaker 15: smiling for the first time in a long time.
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Speaker 12: So it was really that is.
32:16
Speaker 2: So we wanted to show the video, but there were
32:19
Speaker 2: too many the faces of other children in at it
32:21
Speaker 2: and we can't do that.
32:22
Speaker 15: Now, we can't do that, but most of them are
32:24
Speaker 15: my grandchildren. But I can't give permission for all the others.
32:27
Speaker 7: No.
32:28
Speaker 2: Look, just I can't believe how strong and brave Lola is.
32:31
Speaker 1: And she's been through so much no three year old
32:34
Speaker 1: and now four yard should ever deal with.
32:35
Speaker 15: She's an inspiration to our family. And look to see
32:38
Speaker 15: the love and care she gets on all the other
32:40
Speaker 15: children in that ward from these nurses is just incredible,
32:43
Speaker 15: Ryan Park, whatever you pay them all matees not enough?
32:46
Speaker 2: No exactly? Okay, Well keep us updated. I will for
32:50
Speaker 2: sure she continues to make a recovery.
32:52
Speaker 15: Yep, we hope.
32:53
Speaker 2: So all right, let's turn to some of the political
32:56
Speaker 2: news that I know you're keen to speak about. So
32:58
Speaker 2: Amelia Haimer was pre selected for the state Victorian seat
33:02
Speaker 2: of Melvin.
33:03
Speaker 15: Now, yes, Melbourn because I checked with my pronunciation expert
33:06
Speaker 15: from Melbourne, Stephen price Es apparently, and.
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Speaker 1: Our Sydney Siders was saying it wrong.
33:11
Speaker 15: Now, it's like people say Bathhurst when it's Bathurst, or
33:16
Speaker 15: lawn system when it's long System.
33:18
Speaker 1: Yes, I said Malvern earlier, did Melvin Well?
33:21
Speaker 15: Anyway? Stephen would He'll forgive you because may have for
33:23
Speaker 15: correct it. Anyway. This is great news, I think for
33:26
Speaker 15: the Liberal Party they've got a young leader. This young
33:29
Speaker 15: lady is thirty two, but comes from a great pedigree.
33:32
Speaker 15: Her great uncle was in fact a premier Becamus. So
33:37
Speaker 15: I think it's just, you know, it's a signal that
33:40
Speaker 15: young women capable, young women can occupy positions. She it's
33:44
Speaker 15: almost impossible, apparently to concede. She could lose this seat,
33:48
Speaker 15: and she's been pre selected by a wide margin from
33:50
Speaker 15: her parents. So I wish her all the best. I
33:52
Speaker 15: don't know that. Why is she Notckford scholar as well?
33:54
Speaker 15: So she's very smart.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she's smart.
33:56
Speaker 2: But why more interested in this story is actually not
33:58
Speaker 2: because of a merely haym. I'm interested because it means
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Speaker 2: she's not going to be running Inkujong.
34:02
Speaker 1: So Josh Friedenberg is.
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Speaker 15: Oh you think Josh is on the way back?
34:07
Speaker 2: Yes, you miss my Totorim's been chatting in the newsroom
34:10
Speaker 2: right no, So Josh Fredenberg is now being urged to
34:14
Speaker 2: running Kujong at the next election. If he wins that
34:17
Speaker 2: his supporters hope he'll take on the Liberal leadership and then,
34:21
Speaker 2: you know, maybe win against the Albanezy government in twenty
34:25
Speaker 2: thirty one.
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Speaker 10: It's long file exactly.
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Speaker 15: I'm not worried about twenty thirty one, or more word
34:32
Speaker 15: about twenty twenty sixth and twenty twenty seven.
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Speaker 2: But they're not the next elections twenty twenty eight. The
34:37
Speaker 2: Liberals cannot win with the size of Labour's governing majority,
34:40
Speaker 2: so the earliest they can get back in is twenty
34:42
Speaker 2: thirty one.
34:42
Speaker 15: I think Josh Brodenburg's a great fella, and I think
34:45
Speaker 15: he is a great man, a great politician, and I'd
34:48
Speaker 15: be delighted now that you've keeped me into the fact
34:51
Speaker 15: that Kuong's available to him. And maybe there is some
34:53
Speaker 15: Machiavelian plot there.
34:55
Speaker 2: There is not Machiavelian, just the plot, so it has
35:00
Speaker 2: to be back Emily.
35:01
Speaker 15: Anyways, say we're going to get him at Kyong and
35:04
Speaker 15: look forward to him being there the next election and
35:07
Speaker 15: then perhaps being the leader and Prime minister in the future.
35:09
Speaker 15: But I used to run into him all the time
35:11
Speaker 15: at the Gold Case. I don't know whether they had
35:13
Speaker 15: a place up there with his wife and children. Always personable,
35:16
Speaker 15: always approachable and one of those politicians and you get
35:20
Speaker 15: them in both parties, major parties, labor and liberal. Who
35:22
Speaker 15: are you going to approach and have a yarn to
35:24
Speaker 15: about a whole range of different things, And was always,
35:26
Speaker 15: you know, not too busy to have a chat about things.
35:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, we spoke on Thursday about about Kelly Sloan.
35:33
Speaker 1: We've also seen Jess.
35:34
Speaker 15: Well you made me, you told me, you said Ray,
35:38
Speaker 15: you said she won't come back the net zero, she
35:41
Speaker 15: won't come back. And I thought, well, he's probably right,
35:46
Speaker 15: and you were, of course. But I just think and
35:50
Speaker 15: I have spoken to Kelly to congratulate her and have
35:53
Speaker 15: a chat to her, and we're going to have a
35:55
Speaker 15: sit down sometime down the track. And I know she's
35:57
Speaker 15: only just knew and she's just got there, but I
36:00
Speaker 15: think we have to be lockstep. And I heard I
36:04
Speaker 15: heard discussion on Andrew's program and then Greg Sheridan came
36:08
Speaker 15: out very strongly and said, and I respect Greg immensely,
36:12
Speaker 15: and he said, look, on another subject, we've got to
36:15
Speaker 15: be lockstep. If they're to have any hope the Liberal
36:18
Speaker 15: National Coalition, both state and federary, they've got to be
36:21
Speaker 15: on the same page and they've got to have a
36:24
Speaker 15: point of difference. And I think he's exactly right. They've
36:26
Speaker 15: got to have net zero twenty fifty off that page
36:29
Speaker 15: and then they've got a point of difference and then
36:31
Speaker 15: go and sell it to the electorate. Say that, you know,
36:33
Speaker 15: and particularly Bowen doing what he's doing in Brazil now
36:36
Speaker 15: in Turkey and not delivering Cop thirty one to Adelaide.
36:40
Speaker 15: I mean, I've been agonizing over this blake two thousand
36:44
Speaker 15: and four. I started agonizing Avan when he first elected.
36:47
Speaker 15: He has been I know we're going off script here,
36:50
Speaker 15: but he's been assistant treasurer. He was Treasurer of a
36:53
Speaker 15: very short space of time, and then three lamentable years
36:56
Speaker 15: as Immigration Minister. When the boats kept on coming, he
37:00
Speaker 15: couldn't stop them. I call him Cashnova barn for a
37:03
Speaker 15: good reason. He stuffs up everything he does. But the
37:05
Speaker 15: simple fact of the matter is he's the worst minister
37:08
Speaker 15: since Federation and Albaniz. He's got to do something about
37:11
Speaker 15: him because on that rock you'll perish. It'll be the
37:14
Speaker 15: perish perishing of your government on Chris barn Lane because
37:17
Speaker 15: he's off center, he's off page. You got to South
37:21
Speaker 15: Africa Prime Minister. You say one thing, he says completely
37:24
Speaker 15: the opposite. You can't have someone in cabinet who disagrees
37:26
Speaker 15: with the boss.
37:27
Speaker 2: Well said, very very well said. We'll see if he
37:29
Speaker 2: keeps both roles as well. Now just before we go,
37:32
Speaker 2: I mean you could only have a story like this
37:35
Speaker 2: at the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Ray this is.
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Speaker 2: About a seventy five year old galafagus.
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Speaker 1: Turtle or turtle.
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Speaker 15: Here are you talking about?
37:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hugo, I love you this tortoise.
37:46
Speaker 2: So this is According to the Australian Media Diary Today,
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Speaker 2: James Madden reported that there's been a newsroom gender debate
37:55
Speaker 2: at the ABC where.
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Speaker 1: It's a male turtle tortoise tortoise.
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Speaker 2: Instead of calling Hugo key, according to Media Diary, the
38:05
Speaker 2: ABC staff started arguing over whether the titus should be
38:09
Speaker 2: called it it This is this is peak ABC rail
38:14
Speaker 2: How can a titois be a fan?
38:15
Speaker 15: I have met Hugo Ranger Tim runs the show up there.
38:19
Speaker 15: He's a good fellow. He do you remember out in
38:21
Speaker 15: program he used to bring in snakes and lizards and
38:23
Speaker 15: whole and even not big tortoises like Hugo. But the
38:27
Speaker 15: simple fact of the matter is they said if it
38:29
Speaker 15: was a race horse, right, that was a guilding, a stadion,
38:34
Speaker 15: a cult, a mayor, or a philly. They call it
38:37
Speaker 15: she or he, even though a guilding is somewhere in between.
38:40
Speaker 15: But the simple fact of the matter is Hugo is
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Speaker 15: a boy tortoise. He is a boy tortoise. He should
38:47
Speaker 15: be bestowed as a boy tortoise. If you go up
38:50
Speaker 15: there and see Ranger Tim, as I've done many times
38:52
Speaker 15: at Gosford, He'll tell you that Hugo's a boy. There's
38:56
Speaker 15: no argument or debit, and they've turned themselves into a
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Speaker 15: pretzel in the newsroom of the ABC trying to decide
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Speaker 15: whether a boy tortoise is an it.
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Speaker 1: He's not an it.
39:06
Speaker 15: He's fully endowed. He's a boy tortoise.
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Speaker 2: You tell him, Ray, I mean the thought that this
39:13
Speaker 2: is what they do at the ABC, tax pay dollars
39:15
Speaker 2: going to waste.
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Speaker 15: Unbelieve they've probably got a person in charge of the
39:19
Speaker 15: sexuality of animals.
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Speaker 1: But didn't surprise me given this story. Ray, great to
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Speaker 1: see you as always, Thank you Still to come.
39:28
Speaker 2: UK police set to question Andrews close protection officers amid
39:31
Speaker 2: accusations they were asked to dig up dirt on Virginia Guffrey.
39:35
Speaker 2: And the real Mam Dany is exposed to is he
39:37
Speaker 2: criticizes a synagogue targeted by protesters.
39:42
Speaker 1: That's next.
39:46
Speaker 2: Well, there are big developments in the Ukraine peace saga,
39:49
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump turning the heat up on Ukraine just
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Speaker 2: as the administration tries to force movement on a Thanksgiving deadline.
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Speaker 2: That's joining US now with Skynese contributor Gata Kosha. Trump
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Speaker 2: says he wants Ukraine to accept this by Thanksgiving, but
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Speaker 2: again the issue still remains as always territory.
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Speaker 18: Yes it does. And this plan, the way we understand
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Speaker 18: it from the way it's been reported right now, is
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Speaker 18: there are full territorial concessions that Ukraine would have to
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Speaker 18: accept and the Russia gets to keep other things like
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Speaker 18: amnesty for alleged war crimes and the need for Ukraine
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Speaker 18: to conduct elections within one hundred days or all sort
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Speaker 18: of the other pieces of it maybe less important than territory,
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Speaker 18: but that are seen to be very favorable to the
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Speaker 18: Russian side of the ledger. On the flip side, while
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Speaker 18: Ukraine would have to renounce NATO membership, which was a
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Speaker 18: big point you know, throughout the saga, they would receive
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Speaker 18: Western backed security guarantees, which I have to say a
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Speaker 18: lot of people in Trump's base are not very happy with.
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Speaker 18: They don't see that as America first. They see it
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Speaker 18: as very dangerous that it's going to get America suft
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Speaker 18: into a potentially another quagmar. So that's kind of where
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Speaker 18: this sits. Russia reportedly is cautiously favorable to the framework
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Speaker 18: and Ukraine isn't. And that's why I think he's putting
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Speaker 18: that pressure out there because he's facing a lot of
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Speaker 18: pressure from the beast. President Trump is he does not
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Speaker 18: believe that the risk benefit trade off makes sense for
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Speaker 18: Ukraine to continue prolonging this war, and that's where he's
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Speaker 18: trying to really push them. But we shall see if
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Speaker 18: this deadline is.
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Speaker 1: Mat Yeah, all right, well we'll see where this develops.
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Speaker 2: Over in New York, the reality of Ma'mdani, who hasn't
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Speaker 2: officially started yet, is now setting in. I mean, we
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Speaker 2: saw these horrific protests outside of Manhattan Synagogue. People were
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Speaker 2: screaming death to the IDF, globalized, the Intervada.
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Speaker 1: Have a quick look.
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Speaker 2: But his first instinct, Mamdani's wasn't to condemn the harassment,
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Speaker 2: but actually to have a swipe at the synagogue. He
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Speaker 2: spokesperson said that every New Yorker should be free to
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Speaker 2: enter a house of worship without intimidation, and that these
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Speaker 2: sacred spaces should not be used to promote activities in
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Speaker 2: violation of international law, I mean kosher. How on earth
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Speaker 2: does a mayor elect look at intimidation outside a synagogue
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Speaker 2: and decide the synagogue's the problem.
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Speaker 18: You know, they say, when someone tells you who they are,
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Speaker 18: believe them. I think he has been saying that all
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Speaker 18: throughout the campaign, and we're not getting a glimpse of
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Speaker 18: what governance is going to look like, not just campaigning
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Speaker 18: from him, and I don't think, you know, that's going
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Speaker 18: to change. He tries to sort of play both sides.
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Speaker 18: I know he gave a different comment later that was
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Speaker 18: a little bit walking that back, but I don't think
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Speaker 18: it's by accident. I think this sort of, you know,
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Speaker 18: shows how he feels. We've discussed before the results of
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Speaker 18: the election, though, and the electorate something like thirty to
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Speaker 18: thirty five percent of the Jewish population in New York,
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Speaker 18: which is the biggest diaspora of the Jewish population outside
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Speaker 18: of Israel did vote for him, and in exceeding numbers
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Speaker 18: or fifty percent among the younger crowd under forty five.
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Speaker 18: So I wonder if they're having any buyer's remorse or
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Speaker 18: if they didn't really understand thee and as these types
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Speaker 18: of things happen more, how they might feel about it.
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Speaker 18: But unfortunately the city has now stuck with him for
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Speaker 18: four years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, shocking decision for any duwe who have supported him.
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Speaker 1: Over in the.
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Speaker 2: UK, police are now investigating whether Andrew asked for his
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Speaker 2: own protection officers to dig up dirt and Virginia Guffrey.
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Speaker 1: This was in twenty eleven.
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Speaker 2: Now the Metropolitan Police are reportedly seeking emails, phone records
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Speaker 2: and the notepads of officers who worked with Andrew.
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Speaker 1: How serious is this for him? Kosher?
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Speaker 18: It doesn't look great and a lot of people are
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Speaker 18: noticing that all this seems to be happening now right
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Speaker 18: around when he's lost his royal status and the royal shield,
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Speaker 18: if you will, with his titles and all the rest
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Speaker 18: of it being stripped. So it feels like he's twisting
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Speaker 18: in the wind a little bit. This is just a probe,
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Speaker 18: and reportedly the Metropolitan Police is going to decide if
43:55
Speaker 18: they're going to turn it into a full scale formal
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Speaker 18: investigation by Christmas this year, so there's a little bit
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Speaker 18: more room to see if they've dropped us or not.
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Speaker 18: But it doesn't look good. It's coinciding with all the
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Speaker 18: congressional testimony requests that are coming his way from the
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Speaker 18: US Congress. Of course, the Epstein story keeps coming back
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Speaker 18: into the news media, and it's not a good look
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Speaker 18: for him for sure. So hopefully he can avoid legal
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Speaker 18: jeopardy insofar as it's relating to misconduct and misuse of
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Speaker 18: taxpayer funds and that sort of thing, But reputationally, I
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Speaker 18: think he clearly is in tatters.
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Speaker 2: Goosha, gotta thank you so much as always for your insights.
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Speaker 2: All Right, still to come, Chris Bowen takes the cop job.
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Speaker 2: So who's running out energy policy? That's next. Welcome back,
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Speaker 2: We're returning to today's top story. Chris Bowen tapped to
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Speaker 2: chair the Cop thirty one and the coalitions jumped jumped
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Speaker 2: straight on him, branding him a globe trotting part time
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Speaker 2: energy minister while families are dealing with rising power bills,
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Speaker 2: And let's get straight into it with my next guest,
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Speaker 2: Environment editor at The Australian Graham Law Graham. The reality
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Speaker 2: is the government doesn't seem to be doing much to
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Speaker 2: actually bring down power bills.
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Speaker 19: That tried, good evening, Charlie. Well, it has found itself
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Speaker 19: in a bit of a predicament here because Chris baren
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Speaker 19: has effectively adopted the policies of the Greens to phase
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Speaker 19: out coal and gas, and all the attention at home
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Speaker 19: is to try and stabilize electricity prices. There doesn't seem
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Speaker 19: to be a strategy other than to keep repeating the
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Speaker 19: fact that wind and sol and things are the cheapest option,
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Speaker 19: which is losing its currency. So the Prime Minister really
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Speaker 19: needs a fixer to come in and take some of
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Speaker 19: the heat out of this issue.
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Speaker 2: The role that Chris Bowen is going to be doing,
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Speaker 2: I mean, this was a concession to be the President
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Speaker 2: of Negotiation. So what does that actually mean and how
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Speaker 2: much time would he have to realistically spend in Turkey.
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Speaker 19: Well, it's unknown how much time you'd have to spend
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Speaker 19: actually in Turkey, but it will certainly demand a lot
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Speaker 19: of his time. This is a very significant role. He'll
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Speaker 19: be playing at COP to try and bring all various
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Speaker 19: countries together to agree on a way forward, and he's
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Speaker 19: pretty made it pretty clear that the objective is to
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Speaker 19: get an agreement at the next COP for a phase
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Speaker 19: down of fossil fuels, something that's alluded negotiators this time around.
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Speaker 19: But then Chris Bowen put Australia right at the center
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Speaker 19: of it. We see it as a foreign policy issue
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Speaker 19: with the Pacific as well, so he's not going to
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Speaker 19: be able to back out. And unfortunately, the way the
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Speaker 19: UN process works that if we decide we need to
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Speaker 19: close these things down, Australia is going to be first
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Speaker 19: cab off the rank and together with iron ore, there
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Speaker 19: are biggest export markets. So this is a very real world,
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Speaker 19: serious issue for the economy.
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Speaker 2: Just on another topic, the Abenezi government is trying to
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Speaker 2: get its environment reforms through before Parliament wraps. They're piling
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Speaker 2: the pressure onto the Greens to get this done, dangling
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Speaker 2: a concession on native forest lugging, shifting it under new
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Speaker 2: national standards after a three.
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Speaker 1: Year transition period.
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Speaker 2: Now the Greens are still saying the timeframe is too long.
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Speaker 1: Where do you think this is going to end up? It?
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Speaker 2: I mean it could be that perhaps the Parliament's even
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Speaker 2: extended next week.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, well, it's certainly going down to the wire and
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Speaker 19: it is a big issue that has to be resolved
47:39
Speaker 19: in some way. It's fair to say that it flows
47:43
Speaker 19: from a process that was initiated by Susan Lee. There's
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Speaker 19: support for change both from business and environment movements. It's
47:54
Speaker 19: where it falls in the middle. This latest offer to
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Speaker 19: the Greens is a bit of a sight really. It's
48:01
Speaker 19: always been an anomaly that state forests weren't included within
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Speaker 19: the EPBC. They were given an exemption. But the real
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Speaker 19: meat is in how a EPA is going to operate,
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Speaker 19: what powers the government will retain, and this is where
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Speaker 19: the deal has to be done and I think the
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Speaker 19: government will be hoping it can do one with the coalition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, remains to be seeing. Grahamelloyd.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time and thank you
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Speaker 2: for your company. This evening, it's all we've got time
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Speaker 2: for today. I'll be back at eight o'clock tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: And right now, here's Paul Murray in the man Cave.