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Health Is a Team Sport · Founder Mode

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  If you think of health span, what's your work span like?
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  How? How effective can you be?
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  Everybody's like, I worked an 80 hour week, but you're like, did
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  you actually put out 80 hours of good effort?
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  Welcome back to Bounder mode. Where we go behind the grind
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  with real conversations for founders and operators.
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  They're building the future. Yeah, today's just the two of
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  us, no gas, no filter. We're diving into why health
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  isn't an individual sport anymore.
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  It's about community, shared rituals and designing
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  environments that keep us in the game longer.
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  Health is is about community and not just willpower, right?
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  Like it's this, it's this shared experience that we're, you look
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  at the healthiest people in the world.
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  It's not that they eat better or don't drink or don't smoke like
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  the Italians and Sardini or whatever.
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  They live 100 years and there's, there's just a deep, deep
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  community there, right? Yeah, and I think it's funny
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  because like the first sort of experience that I had with this
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  was 15 some years ago was a CrossFit and CrossFit was all
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  about the gym. And like exactly.
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  It was kind of weird because I was like, man, I really liked
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  the that thing. And I couldn't figure out like
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  and I we used to joke in the morning this when I was building
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  accompli and I was like, man, the hardest part of your day is
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  over, right by ripping that first hour in the morning and is
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  a crazy workout. And I've been collecting a bunch
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  of these sort of like different kinds of PRS or metrics, trying
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  to track them. But I'm curious, like, I know
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  you built this big assessment thing like recently in chat,
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  like what, what did that look like for you?
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  And what were the kinds of things that popped up?
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  Yeah, I, oh, I, you know, I've been doing my ChatGPT workouts
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  for a while and I was like, I probably need to like re
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  baseline. And so I told chat like, hey,
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  give me an assessment I can run through.
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  And it actually took me a couple different workouts to get all
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  the data to input because I just didn't have the time.
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  And so I, I worked through like all these different exercises,
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  deadlifts, you know, bench press, running, like Max
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  distance. I did like a, a proxy for VO2
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  Max on a rower and like just a bunch of stuff and gave it all
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  that data back and said, like, you know, restate the goals that
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  I have and give me like a plan that's going to continue to move
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  us towards these goals. It's pretty cool.
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  I mean, I've only, I'm only like a one week into having made that
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  kind of adjustment. But my concern was like, I'm
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  just going along with this thing over time indefinitely and just
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  having it spit out new workouts and I feel like I'm not feeding
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  enough data back into the system.
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  Right. But our, our, our second
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  episode, I think was about health and hustle.
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  And so this, this kind of episode, the, you know, the two
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  of us, I feel like it's going to go deep in this area again.
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  And you know, the question, Kevin is like, well, you're a
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  founder. Why, why should you care about
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  this? And I, I think it's obvious to
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  us, but I don't know it is if it is obvious to people, you know,
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  curious, curious how you go to early, early founders, like
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  folks that are just starting to build.
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  Maybe they're younger than us too.
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  What should, what should they know, right?
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  That that the reason why are we talking about this.
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  No, because we're older. I think to me like, again, I, I
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  know there's like you've hit these points of burnout in
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  building things and I think, you know, there's this kind of the
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  Chinese 996, you're like Burt working 9:00 AM to 9:00 PM six
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  days a week. And I think that works.
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  And I think there were days where we were doing the like 8
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  to midnight seven days a week or whatever.
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  And I remember vividly sleeping under like a desk or like
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  crashed in the office, you know, all night.
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  And I know also looking back that the things I worked on back
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  at those days, I was writing code like the code I wrote after
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  10:00 PM was definitely not as good as the code before.
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  And now I even think like anything past 8:00 PM is not as
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  good or 6:00 PM. So like, to me it's like, well,
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  how do you get the maximum amount of like effective work?
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  And then how do you stay healthy and not get sick?
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  Like you'd have these, you know, we'd get sick for a longer time
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  all the. Time.
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  Because if you think of health span, what's your work span
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  like? How, how, how effective can you
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  be? Everybody's like, I worked an 80
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  hour week, but you're like, did you actually put out 80 hours of
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  good effort? Yeah, probably that sleep, that
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  sleep score and like the readiness scores of the new
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  flex, right? Because like I'm going to do
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  efficient work today because I actually took care of myself,
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  right. And so coming back to this, you
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  have community like there's, there's a way to find people
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  like you're even if you're doing 996, there's, there are ways now
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  to find your people, right, to like connect with folks in the
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  community. And you know, you and I both are
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  into this like health and Wellness culture.
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  Talk about the places where you could just show up and just kind
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  of have built in community there around you.
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  There's a lot of places you can just show up, right?
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  There's work, you know, these Co working places, there's fitness,
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  there's gyms, whatever. Yeah, I think for me, traveling
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  a lot and having busy schedules, like love the idea of having an
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  app that I can go set up a class and be like or schedule
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  something where it's like, you know, I'm going to go to Berry's
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  room, I'm going to go to do this, you know, workout at other
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  ship or whatever. And it's like, oh, this is my
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  people there. And I always joke like I wish
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  there was an app. Like it's almost back to the old
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  meet up app or meet up site that I think still exists where it's
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  like, how do I just find like a cool pickleball crew to go with
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  and just be able to like jump in and RIP it and be like, you
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  know, there's so there's other things I think that I would love
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  to see. I think there's these.
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  It's actually, I think it's one in New York now, but there's a
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  bunch of so so Cal like Thera body put together these resets.
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  It's like a small kind of pop up where it's like cryotherapy, red
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  light, whatever. And a lot of those are what I
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  would describe as solo missions. It's kind of like going to a,
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  you know, one of these IV clinics or something or drip
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  clinics where you're like, hey, you go and get your IV.
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  It's very much you like, yeah, you could go with friends.
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  But to me it's finding these ones where it's like how you're
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  doing stuff that's fun. You're doing stuff that's
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  together and you know, again, in a in a healthy way, right?
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  You're eating healthy stuff, you're doing healthy workouts,
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  whatever. And you're like increasing your
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  lifespan where I think, you know, the kind of the old
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  culture of like finding communities, like you go to a
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  bar, you know, people are smoking less so now probably
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  more in New York than in the Bay Area, which is crazy.
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  But and then, you know, just drinking and things like that,
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  where it's like, how do you find ways that are like kind of opt
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  in or sort of select in, but the the the trend or the health span
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  sort of happiness thing is not too obsessed, but at least
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  aligned with what you want to be.
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  Yeah, I think it's interesting because like you, you know,
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  we're in this culture where, you know, it's it's like heads down,
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  just me doing my thing and like very easily just be blind
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  blinders on and not really engage with anyone around you.
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  Like if you want to, especially living in a place like New York,
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  like you could just kind of go out of your apartment or
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  whatever and into your office and back in your apartment
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  everyday. And so, like, how do you show up
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  in the world like other all can be springs.
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  These are cool places to kind of meet people and get out of that
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  routine a little bit and build routines that are also happen to
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  be good for you. The other places that for me
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  that I think are interesting that we talked about this is
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  like, you know, you're you're kind of nomadic, you travel a
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  lot. I have this like Country Club
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  down the street, like, you know, go and kind of work off site at
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  the at the club, because we both, you know, work from home
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  or wherever, whatever hotel we're in any given time, right.
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  And some people like, you know, go to go to other kind of
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  community places. It's basically like making sure
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  that you are looking after yourself so that you're not just
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  like sitting hunched over your your computer, your laptop alone
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  for 12 hours a day staring into a screen.
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  And I think there's, there's some value there, right?
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  Yeah. And I think to me like again,
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  like at least my like mom or parents generation, like, you
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  know, they found church or they had like their, you know, the
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  school community, the PTA or something.
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  And I think while those things exist, that fabric is not the
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  same. I mean, and again, I think
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  there's parts of the US and definitely parts of the world
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  where that sort of fabrics well built.
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  But I think this kind of like tech first digital thing and
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  whether it's even nomadic or just like the busyness of like
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  sort of like modern life has drawn a lot of people away from
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  some of those sort of traditional communities sort of
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  environments. Yeah, I agree.
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  And in coming back to like the whole 996 and and hustle
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  culture, I saw somebody tweeted the other day that like, if
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  you're talking about it, you're probably not actually doing
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  that, right? Like the people that are
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  actually doing true 996 are just grinding and they're not.
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  They're not tweeting. They probably don't have a
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  Twitter account. Yeah, no, they.
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  Are not one that they post on. Yeah, exactly.
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  They're like super locked in and focused.
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  No, I think there's truth to that.
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  I think the the cool thing about it is like, you know, is like as
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  as you build these modern companies now I know you guys
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  are mostly remote. We're sort of pretty remote.
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  We have like a couple Co working spaces, like one in the city and
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  we have another one down in the South Bay.
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  So like, and then we have some people that just like full time
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  work at home. And I think this idea of having
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  sort of like some like lightweight base touches.
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  It's almost like kind of we work ish like in the way we've kind
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  of set up our, our company allows people to get together
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  when they want to, but but not forced to be I think works.
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  And and if people want to do 9 and 6 and grind and kind of live
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  in there, that's that's great. But I don't think that, again, I
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  don't think that you're going to get the best sort of no, it's
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  not good out if you're not balancing it, yeah.
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  Yeah, for sure, yeah. And you know, I think I think
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  people are there's an obsession with like the concept of an
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  overnight success, right. And it's like nobody sees the
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  like years and years of hard work.
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  And I think what you and I just talk about a lot is like, what
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  is this actually working hard look like and how do you shape
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  it that allows you to work not just hard, but smart?
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  And you know, I, it'd be interesting to see because like
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  post COVID, you know, remote work definitely normalized and
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  there's the big RTO movement And you know, the startups that I
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  work with that do remote well, they make sure that there's like
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  10 pole moments for the team to all get together like once a
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  quarter, once a month, like everybody's showing up in space
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  and collaborating. But then going back to the
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  remote spaces. And then what we're kind of
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  saying is like, you still need to augment that with some kind
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  of additional community outside of your job.
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  Like don't just like work doesn't have to be your life.
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  Like I have two little kids. Like I am you.
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  You'll call me sometimes it'll be 3:00 and like I'm on school
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  pick up, right? And it's like you here and
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  you're like, oh, the full team's there.
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  You're like, I got to go. And so like, it's fine.
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  But I, you know, I think making space and making time to show up
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  in your life is not a bad thing. And it's not like something
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  where it's like, Oh, yeah, you're, you're, you're not
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  working harder. So, so you did a kind of
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  interesting experiment the other day.
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  You told me about where you kind of went fully off grid to go
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  like run an errand, talk, talk about what you did.
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  Yeah, so I did. One of my cars is not a Tesla
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  and so it's not like connecting. It's kind of like, yeah, it's
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  kind of a dumb car. It's still cool.
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  But like, you know, it doesn't have like the the connective
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  whatever, no car. Play no nothing.
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  It has car play actually, but it doesn't like, it doesn't have
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  like the connectiveness because it's like, you know, it expired.
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  It's a 10 year old car. Yeah, but I, but I left the
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  house with just the key actually physical.
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  And I didn't take my phone because I was like, oh, I'm just
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  going to run this like thing. I had to go to the store fixing
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  them and come back and I like and for whatever reason I left
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  my phone and I'm weird about what the charge.
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  I have all these devices like my woo, my like thing and I'd taken
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  all of my watch and everything off to charge.
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  Fun aside, one time Kevin opened his backpack and took out his
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  charging setup that like goes on the desk and every cable is
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  perfectly tie wrapped. Oh, you have it right there.
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  You have to show it you. Know.
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  It is the most organized thing I've ever seen.
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  That is it. You know that there needs to be
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  a founder mode just dedicated to like cable management.
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  My wife and I always joke about like teaching a college class
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  called printers and cables. But like that's, that's ultimate
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  cable management right there. So you left the had the whole
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  thing set up and everything was charging.
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  It was charging, everything was charging and I was like, ah,
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  like it's fine, I'm just going to be gone for a couple minutes.
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  Yeah. And I got in the car, no GPS, no
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  like map. I mean, I luckily I knew where I
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  was going because normally I'm like looking at auto mod thing
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  and you know, FSD and then that thing figures the rest out.
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  And I was like 10 minutes in the drive.
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  I was like, bro, this is kind of cool.
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  Like there's no thing like the radio was off.
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  There's no Spotify. It could only had AM radio
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  because it doesn't have microphone.
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  So you know, and I was like nothing's on.
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  I'm just like kind of cool. I walked into the store, bought
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  like some dumb and like a thing of milk, which was what I was
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  actually going to get, and I realized it had my phone.
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  I had to pay with them like like credit card or cash or
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  something. Yeah.
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  And then I'm like, I had to pull out my wallet and pay, pay with
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  a credit card. And I was like, OK, that's not
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  Apple Pay. Then as I was walking out of the
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  store into the car, I'm just like, oh, that's interesting.
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  Nobody's interrupted me. Nobody's called.
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  And like, I was like, kind of crazy, so whatever.
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  So I get all, you know, turns better.
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  And I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool.
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  And so I was like, man, I should do this more often.
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  And it was crazy that that same night I went to this like health
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  kind of like Wellness sort of talk with a bunch of doctors.
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  And one of the doctors said something that was almost
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  similar where he's like, he was an ER doc.
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  And he said, I had my best and quietest shift a couple weeks
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  ago. And he's like, what happened was
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  when I came into work, I thought I turned on the phone and I
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  actually turned it off. And he's like, it was weird
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  because like, you know, I'm halfway through my 10 hour shift
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  and he's like, nobody's interrupted me, nobody's called.
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  I'm like, Dang, I've never got paged.
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  He's like a few people came into the room and asked me a question
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  or found me and chased me down. But he's like, Oh my God, at the
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  end of the shift, I went to turn my thing off and it it boot
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  turned on and I was like, Oh, so he had literally had his kind of
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  phone and pays like work pager off the whole shift.
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  And he was like, and so there was this whole that, you know,
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  so kind of those two things connected this notion of like,
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  is there a lesson in like, you know, kind of being sensorless
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  or tech less and just kind of walking away and, and you know,
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  the, the kind of the quiet walk in the park or whatever.
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  The so they're. They would have a battery.
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  Yeah. They would have a cable, right.
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  They were plugged in. I mean, the original cell phone
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  was plugged into your car. It was a car phone, not a cell
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  phone. But yeah, I don't know.
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  You had a cool story. We were talking about this
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  before the show a little bit. And like, yeah.
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  Yeah, so I got different first, I've had basically every every
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  Apple Watch every generation. So I was one of the first early
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  adopters of the Gen. 1 Apple Watch when I went on a date with
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  my now wife. Our first date, I had the Apple
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  Watch on and we met up at a bar. We sit down and we're talking
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  and I'm getting the the push notifications on the watch.
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  And you know, I do the like turn to look at it.
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  And it was the second or third time I did that.
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  And she goes, if you do that again, I'm going to throw it in
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  your drink. And I was like, I like this
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  lady. She's good.
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  She's. Fierce, but like she's right and
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  it's so you know this distraction economy that we live
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  in and and the like the importance of being present and
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  I know you have your phone on DND all the time, which I think
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  is amazing and and there's and there's some work arounds to get
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  your attention, but it's it's it's like it's a good it's a
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  good reminder that like maybe you know, like people have cheat
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  days for their diet like what's the cheat day?
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  The opposite of that for your, your digital detox is there one
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  day a week and you do a Sunday or a few hours on a Sunday, like
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  where you just just like, yeah, I'm going fully, fully off the
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  grid. Yeah.
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  And you heard of like these silent retreats or silent
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  meditation where it's like, go for three to seven days.
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  It's super hard and like, people really freak out.
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  And but I think there's a version that's probably less
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  than that that would actually be healthy for a lot of people.
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  And I said I enjoyed it. One is, is analogue friction
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  like this new luxury? There's all these dumb phones
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  coming out that can only make calls and like, you know, text
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  message, right? Like is that?
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  Kind of a good like break because it's just too easy,
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  right? Literally carrying my phone to
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  go wherever and you're like, it's just too quick to swipe it
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  open, check a message, open something up and and go from
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  there. Yeah, No, I I think we need to
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  need to find healthy ways to interact with our devices for
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  sure. You know, we, we talked about
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  this kind of like showing up for the family, being present in
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  your community, in your life versus the 996 culture, like
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  kind of pulling it all together. And also looking ahead to the
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  future with kind of AI disrupting everything more and
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  more wearables coming out all the time and tech like let's go
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  to the next the next phase. You had done a little bit of
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  research on like this biohacker world and and things that people
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  are doing went down that rabbit hole.
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  It was funny because we were, we were prepping for this and we're
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  like, OK, cool. You know, we do this like, you
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  know, contrast therapy or these kind of like.
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  We're so we're so on the edge. Yeah.
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  Oh no, we're not. And I was like, what's the most
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  extreme version of this? And like there is like these,
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  you know, they call them grinds like rank house and this kind of
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  like gem space thing in the lab and this like hyperpunk science
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  dungeon. I mean, some of the names are
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  just intense. But there are these places
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  where, you know, people are really taking this kind of to
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  the next level of like, you know, both that pushing the edge
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  of science. And I think there's two things
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  that are interesting. I think 1 is people are doing a
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  lot of self experimentation, which I think is, you know,
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  super cool. I think the other one is, you
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  know, where I've seen this actually happen with like
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  friends or close or family type things where like you run into
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  like a really bad disease or rat issue and like the only way is
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  to kind of get into a clinical trial or take some of these
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  extreme things, right? And I think the interesting
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  piece is that's that cross section of like doing that
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  because it's like you're backed into a corner and like science
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  hasn't found the answer to this. So you're willing to take crazy
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  risks now saying with like, so there's this thing and, you
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  know, people are, you know, doing medical tourism where
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  they're leaving the country, going to Mexico, going to sort
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  of some of these outreach islands where they're like
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  setting up these clinics outside of the US to avoid sort of
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  regulation. And I think that's an
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  interesting thing. But to me, it was somewhat
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  enlightening because I kind of thought of myself as a pretty
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  early adopter of some of these things, that there was actually
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  a, an edge. Out there that was implant like
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  tech into your body. What's the, what's the bar that
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  it has to like clear for you to be like, yeah, I'm going to put
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  that thing inside of me. Yeah, I mean, so clearly I, I
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  use the CGM. So like in theory that's
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  injected into my body like it's kind.
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  Of minimally invasive. Minimally invasive, but to me,
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  like I kind of had thought of it, it's like it's not, is it
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  not banned or is it like the FDA approved it?
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  And so like I try to get detailed more, you know, what's
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  the risk of this and how like speculative and sort of risky is
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  it? And I mean, you know, I used
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  chat DPD and you know, to quite frankly figure a lot of this out
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  because it's like, I don't know, one of them for me was like,
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  I've had this like shoulder thing that I've been fighting
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  for a few months now, like shoulder injury.
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  And it just like, again, just workout thing like say, Hey,
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  man, I, you know, did some physical therapy, couldn't
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  figure it out. And some friends were like, oh,
• 18:14
  you should go try peptides. And I'm like, all right, what's
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  that? What are, you know, started to
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  do some research into it and I was like, man, there's some
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  people that have had some really bad reactions to that and like
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  the, the science is like interesting and, and working,
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  but there's also like, it's still pretty unproven and pretty
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  speculative. And so, you know, I'm definitely
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  doing things that I would say that the, you know, go to your
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  doctor and be like, Hey, I'm doing all these blood tests or
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  I'm checking all these things. Interesting.
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  But I still think that like the the the safety bar, they're
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  still pretty, you know, it's a pretty good buffer in terms of
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  what I'm down to do. I think my sense is like, you
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  know, would you go stick a neural link or would you do
• 18:52
  something like that? I mean.
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  I think if I was a quadriplegic, probably right.
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  Yes. Yeah, like, like.
• 18:58
  What level do you have to be at? If I can't do anything, it's
• 19:01
  kind of like you know, do do you participate in a clinical trial
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  if you're like late stage something versus early stage,
• 19:08
  right? So, you know, I think.
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  And is it nice to have versus like is it like it's required to
• 19:15
  sort of solve I? Need to pay to live and this is
• 19:17
  the only way to do it. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
• 19:19
  right. So you talked about chat using
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  ChatGPT for to kind of interrogate some of these
• 19:24
  things. You've come up with this pretty
• 19:26
  good idea that you've shown me around developing, you know,
• 19:30
  board of directors for decision making and you have like this
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  board of directors for your health Now talk, talk about how
• 19:35
  how you've set that up. Yeah, so I mean, again,
• 19:39
  everybody's got their like, you know, amazing prompt for tat.
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  I the thing that I stumbled onto this, I'd like somebody had
• 19:46
  written like this council sort of approach.
• 19:48
  I was like, oh, that's interesting, this council and I
• 19:50
  was like, oh, it's kind of like a board of directors.
• 19:51
  And so I was like, well, board of directors is interesting
• 19:55
  because like, if you imagine like in a company's sake,
• 19:57
  they'll have like 5 people, 7 people, 13 if it's bigger or
• 19:59
  whatever, and they each have their own experiences,
• 20:01
  expertise. And so I was like, well, if I'm
• 20:04
  thinking about my health, like I want somebody that's interested
• 20:07
  in like, you know. Exercise, somebody that's
• 20:10
  interested in longevity, somebody that's interested in
• 20:12
  like cardiac experts for like heart, somebody that's
• 20:14
  interested in like men's health, somebody's interested in like
• 20:16
  all these things and saying like, who would be like a world
• 20:19
  renowned expert to have on your panel?
• 20:21
  So you basically add enough context to know these are some
• 20:23
  of the basic stats about me. And then I want you to act as a
• 20:26
  council of experts. Here's the five sort of personas
• 20:29
  or 7 personas that I want you to be.
• 20:32
  And then I want, like, a moderator or final person to end
• 20:35
  up saying like, oh, they have consensus.
• 20:38
  Like everybody agrees, you should eat more vegetables and
• 20:40
  walk, you know, move a lot. But they debate as a group about
• 20:44
  what is the right answer. Right.
• 20:46
  And so peptides are the great one.
• 20:47
  If you say, hey, what's peptides?
• 20:48
  And they're like, hey, well, all honest.
• 20:50
  So GLP ones are a version of peptides and they're like, oh,
• 20:53
  well, the GLP ones are thing, but they're like you're 48, you
• 20:55
  know, you don't have weight issues.
• 20:56
  So like it's probably not a candidate.
• 20:58
  We all agree that it's OK, but we also all agree that you
• 21:01
  probably aren't a good candidate for it.
• 21:03
  And they're like these other ones are sort of more
• 21:04
  speculative. Like there's evidence that it
• 21:07
  could be helpful, but there's also a lot of evidence that it's
• 21:10
  been problematic for people, right?
• 21:11
  And so I think for me, it's it to me, like when you asked
• 21:15
  ChatGPT, it's like Wikipedia, it like kind of like just gives you
• 21:19
  like a lot of descriptions. It's not contextually relevant
• 21:22
  where this council of experts is like, oh, here's the thing.
• 21:26
  Here's how it could or couldn't apply to your situation.
• 21:28
  And here's what we recommend. And then you can quickly see
• 21:31
  like, OK, does everybody agree or like, hey, if you're trying
• 21:34
  to achieve this or that, you know, maybe that's OK.
• 21:37
  But there's like, here's the concerns that the group had.
• 21:40
  I mean, you get this kind of summary discussion, which I
• 21:42
  found yet to just make a lot of the questions that I asked.
• 21:45
  And and I've kind of built this for business stuff.
• 21:47
  I built this for health can. Apply it to more than just
• 21:49
  health, Yeah. A lot of stuff.
• 21:51
  Yeah, yeah, I love. It so it lets you to kind of
• 21:53
  come up with like, you know, if you were to be able to, you
• 21:55
  know, the old joke is like, Hey, can you ask your smartest friend
• 21:57
  and they're like chat you because he's like your smartest
• 21:59
  friend. You're like, well, what if you
• 22:00
  could ask, you know, if like, for example, I have a marketing
• 22:03
  question like I'm going to ask Jason because like Jason's like
• 22:05
  done all this marketing has a ton of research there where, you
• 22:08
  know, if I'm going to ask a technical question, I may ask JJ
• 22:11
  who's like, I worked on a bunch of stuff, who's like done a
• 22:13
  bunch of AI stuff, right? And so I think finding and being
• 22:16
  able to not think of ChatGPT as a generalist, but now thinking
• 22:20
  of it as like a a group of experts to me has been pretty
• 22:23
  impacted. When we had the episode with
• 22:24
  Chris Winfield, he talked about, you know, call Steve Jobs,
• 22:26
  right? Like you can even assign your
• 22:28
  board of directors, people living or dead, that you like
• 22:31
  their point of view and you want that on your on your council or
• 22:34
  your board. So I like that.
• 22:36
  Top five a community first Wellness think, you know, other
• 22:38
  shit My oh, you know, sort of this boosts consistency, but
• 22:41
  also accountability kind of having shared routines, the
• 22:43
  shift of training focus from like this kind of PRS to more
• 22:47
  longevity metrics and this optimized work span not hours
• 22:51
  like these late night work, you know, kind of degrades the
• 22:53
  quality in your health, you know, and then just finding a
• 22:56
  way to take breaks periodic sensor and sort of tech, you
• 22:59
  know, sort of pause, right whether the you know, go drive
• 23:01
  your dumb car offline sessions improves clarity recovery.
• 23:05
  And then really just this notion of using AI as a council of
• 23:08
  experts to sort of evaluate interventions, avoid speculation
• 23:11
  and then really high risk hacks without strong evidence, you
• 23:14
  know, maybe something you don't want to do.
• 23:16
  And then also sort of discover things and have like different
• 23:19
  perspectives, sort of summarized and and sort of presented you in
• 23:22
  a smart way. Yeah, so that's it for this
• 23:24
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• 23:26
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• 23:31
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