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184 | John Cena vs. Randy Orton - I Quit Match - Breaking Point 2009 · The ExtraCooler Show

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41. But this week we're getting you
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guys ready for Backlash in a little bit of a different way.
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And our match of the week is Randy Orton versus John Cena in
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an I Quit match from Breaking Point 2009.
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In anyone that watched Monday Night Raw this week, they
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actually did a feature on this match, which was pretty cool.
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And obviously the last two weeks right after Mania and then, you
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know this week as well, they're really building up to this Randy
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Orton and John Cena match at Backlash 2025.
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And yeah, they, they put a whole feature on it.
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They had Sam Roberts, they had Peter Rosenberg.
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Holy, Foley and Shawn Michaels all had things to say about this
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match. So I really like what they're
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doing with this kind of build up, visiting some old, old
3:12
matches and building that nostalgia and really pushing
3:14
people to the network or to Peacock or whatever you want to
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call it. So I, I like this move, WWE,
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keep it up. Agreed.
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And and I mean, they're, they're kind of like biting off our
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stick here, but it's OK, I guess.
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No, but but in all seriousness, it it's a really cool thing,
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especially when you think about the fact that what we're
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covering was from 2009 and we're in 2025.
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So it's a long time. And when you hit play on
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Breaking Point 2009, it it makes all the sense, especially when
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you turn on this match or when you see highlights from this
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match based on the way that the two men look in 2009.
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So before we dive into our main event, let's talk about what's
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on this card. So take a step back.
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Breaking Point takes place on September 13th, 2009 from the
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Bell Center in Montreal, QC. It's the only breaking point
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there ever was. Yeah, yes.
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So this, this was ready. There's some, there's some back
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story on this on the Wikipedia page.
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So take it for what it's worth, but it was a one off event at
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the September slot used to be held by night or I'm sorry,
4:21
after this night of champions took over, but before this, I
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don't even remember what there was Unforgiven I think.
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And so for this one, they actually polled fans and let
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them vote. So already listen to the choices
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that they had, right? They they ended up with breaking
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point. Their other choices were
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submission Sunday, total submission and submit and quit.
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All sound like dog shit to me so.
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I was about to say this. Yeah.
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Exactly. It's all dog shit.
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It's like, all right, which one's?
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Which one's the worst breaking point?
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I guess you can say maybe the best of them.
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Submission Sunday. I don't know about that one.
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No, it was no real. Competition there, it was always
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going to be breaking point so. Here's the the my gripe with it,
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right? I turned on the pay-per-view.
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I hit play and I watched the video package in the beginning
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and I'm like, oh, you know what? Like, OK, so let, I'm sorry, let
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me rewind 2009. We've said it before.
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None of us are watching WWE on an active basis.
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Maybe we're popping in for a Rumble.
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Maybe we're popping in for WrestleMania, you know, or if
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it's on, we're flicking through. But none of us have any clue
5:39
what's going on, so here we are, breaking point.
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I hit play and I'm like, oh you know what?
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This is actually a cool premise. Every match has to end in a
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submission. Nope, not the case.
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Not cool. Definitely not cool to.
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Me. That's how the pay-per-view is
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billed. That every match was going to
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end in a submission. Not the case.
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I think there's only. Like only the main 1 I think.
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Yeah, the three, the three big matches on this card are
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submission matches. The rest are just singles
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matches and tag team matches. So it's an interesting concept,
6:13
but they really should have done a little bit more with it if
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you're going to build it that. Way they should have had every
6:18
match ends in a drop to hold or something.
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It's tough for me as we get through the card like a lot of
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these matches just don't seem to fit a, you know, submission
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match. If you will like there there's
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the big match is before this is legacy and DX.
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Like no, all right, fine, the $1,000,000 dream, I guess.
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But like Triple H and Shawn Michaels aren't necessarily
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submission wrestlers. Like it just doesn't feel like
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it really fits, you know, Randy Orton and Cena, OK, fine, we
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Cena has his submission and then the main event is CM Punk and
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the Undertaker. And like, I know that there was
6:56
a whole storyline along with it and specifically with the with
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that triangle hold that the undertaker does that I the name
7:05
is escaping me at the moment. But like, let me just thank you.
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None of these things really feel like.
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A. Fitting of the competitors in
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the match and it was just, I don't know, it felt disjointed
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to me as a whole concept. Yeah, it it's also interesting
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too, because when you're watching it, you have to
7:24
remember that there's Raw, there's Smack Down, and there's
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the ECW brand being billed on this pay-per-view.
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So let's just just dive right in, right?
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Our first match of the night is Jerry Show, Chris Jericho and
7:41
Big Show defeating the World's Strongest Tag Team.
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Spoiler alert, I had no clue they were ever A tag team MVP
7:50
and Mark Henry. And this is A tag team match for
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the Unified WWE Tag Team Champions. the Champions win the
7:58
match in 12 minutes. I.
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I dug their theme music, Jerry. I was.
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Yes, I remember that. Yes, that was that was the
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highlight of the match if you ask me.
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Yes, yes, not not not Big Show looking like baby New Year.
8:15
Nope, that was that was not not for me.
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I think really do enjoy Perico, but like this this match was
8:22
kind of. When you think about it, here's
8:25
the here to me is probably one of the craziest parts about this
8:30
card. As I run through the list of
8:33
these guys, it's kind of wild that they are all in WWE,
8:39
whether they've been there for a while or whether they last from
8:43
2009 to the current day, right? You've got like, like Chris
8:48
Jericho and Big Show have been around forever at this point.
8:52
MVP and Mark Henry been around forever.
8:55
Well, MVP was a little bit more of a newer face to in WWE, not a
8:58
guy we knew, but he's still actively in wrestling and
9:02
involved in wrestling, right. Our next match is Kofi, who is
9:06
the United States champion and he's defeating The Miz by
9:10
pinfall in a 12 minute match. Yeah, yeah, not bad.
9:17
I think this is fedora wearing Miz era, so you know how I feel
9:21
about that. But then like really the only
9:25
there's two people on this who really, I don't know, didn't
9:29
linger as much as they could have or should have.
9:31
And that's in our next match. It's legacy versus DX, which you
9:36
know, Ted Dibiase junior and great, great Khali is in there.
9:41
You know, it's, it's an interesting card, but let's go
9:44
back. So our our third match of the
9:46
card is legacy facing off against DX.
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So it's Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase, junior versus Triple H
9:52
and Shawn Michaels in a submission counts Anywhere
9:55
match. This was this was interesting.
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I I feel like it's it was very strange.
10:03
I think to put this submissions and a false count anywhere match
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like together. But like Mike said, like, OK,
10:09
all right, we can get here and the chaos that I usually enjoy
10:13
in my matches and you know, thinking about a Street Fighter,
10:16
thinking about a false count anywhere like sign me up any any
10:19
day. But having it work with the
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submissions it it got interesting throughout.
10:23
But for me, I I have to put the preface out there like the DX
10:28
army, the glow sticks. Hate, hate it.
10:30
This is. Just not for me man.
10:32
It's just one of those, it's one of those like it felt like such
10:36
a looking back at it, anytime I've seen anything from it, it
10:40
just feels very like a nostalgia act.
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Even though they were like 2 active guys who could still go
10:46
very much and they're stuck in this that like is they're 2 main
10:52
event guys, 2 Hall of Famers, 2 the best ever, and they're doing
10:57
this goofy shtick that just, I don't know, it doesn't land for
11:00
me. All about selling glow sticks
11:03
and merch more than the character building.
11:06
Or at least that was my take from the outside.
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Looking in at this period in time and I'm sure you're not
11:13
surprised that I haven't gone back and really revisited a
11:15
whole. Lot of it felt like they were.
11:17
It was WW ES way of trying to hold on to, you know, like fans
11:22
like us who maybe we're still watching at the time, you know,
11:27
especially. Sorry.
11:29
No, especially with names like, you know, Cody Rose and Ted
11:33
Dibiase Junior in there. Oh yeah, next match.
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We're ready for the next match. It is Kane defeating the Great
11:41
Khali in a Singapore Kane match. Pun intended.
11:48
This match was disgusting. I want that 5 minutes back
11:54
please. Yes.
11:56
Did you even watch it? I had it on in the background as
11:59
I was taking notes and I'll I'll, I'll get to why I had it
12:03
on and it was on in the background.
12:05
I'll get to that later. But our next match is.
12:07
Christian, that's is funny to me at least.
12:10
You know, like Mike said, unintended, but Kane wins with a
12:13
awful, awful chokeslam. Cause yeah.
12:16
How's he going to chokeslam a guy taller than him?
12:18
He's working with the Great Khali.
12:19
I mean, like how, how is he gonna take a bump even to begin
12:22
with, which I guess it was a time and place.
12:25
He kind of had to be there. Yeah, I felt like a.
12:28
Lot of it was so. Yeah, yeah.
12:30
How high could he get off the ground?
12:33
Can't even like, slide a feather underneath him.
12:36
You got Christian in our next match, the ECW champion facing
12:41
off against William Regal. And as I was saying to the guys,
12:45
this feels like a match from like, you know, the WrestleMania
12:48
17 era. Maybe it was, I don't know,
12:51
like, but it just felt, I don't know, I didn't watch, not not
12:56
interested. I feel like the whole WWECW time
13:00
period is just a mind bend for. Me 100%.
13:04
Blur man, and they have the different title at this point in
13:08
time, the like I mean the title kind of looks cool at the end of
13:11
the day. Like I don't dis I don't dislike
13:13
it, but it just has this watered down.
13:16
This is an ECW vibe to everything that it is here.
13:20
But this match was actually really good in my opinion.
13:23
I enjoyed having it on while I was doing some other things, but
13:27
the crowd was just completely, completely out of this match.
13:31
They didn't seem to care in any way, shape or form.
13:33
And it's kind of a bummer when you think of these two, you
13:36
know, all time greats with Christian and William Regal.
13:39
Right. It just, I don't know, didn't,
13:42
didn't hit for me. I feel like Christian is
13:44
somebody that like, and this was his main event run.
13:47
This was his, you know, championship run with the ECW
13:50
title. And I don't know, it just felt
13:52
like they still neutered him to an extent.
13:55
And it didn't feel as important as, you know, his counterpart in
13:59
edge, which is not always fair to, you know, compare him to to
14:02
that exactly. But it it, it kind of hand in
14:05
glove, right? Yeah, yeah, I, I not for me, not
14:09
for me. Next match on the card was the
14:11
match we're covering. So we're going to skip over
14:13
that. We're we're going to skip over
14:15
that and move to the main event of the night, which was CM Punk,
14:19
who is the World Heavyweight Champion and he's defeating the
14:22
Undertaker in a submission match.
14:24
This is like long haired era Punk.
14:28
Not defeating. So this was.
14:32
Yeah, he he at the end of the day, CM Punk walks in with
14:35
heavyweight title The Undertaker in what, like a 7 minutes in 6
14:40
minutes into the match, Undertaker gets him to tap to
14:44
his. Why is it escaping my mind
14:47
again? What?
14:47
What's the hold called? Like help me out here.
14:50
Hell's Gate. Hell's Gate.
14:51
All right, whatever. So he's got him in the Hell's
14:54
Gate and he CM Punk taps and then lo and behold, we got to
14:59
play a play a player and here comes Teddy Long saying that the
15:02
Hell's Gate has been banned and the match must restart.
15:05
Punk wiggles his way out of the Last Ride and locks in the
15:09
Anaconda of Ice and reminder they're in Montreal and the bell
15:13
rings instantly like it's it's it's called.
15:16
Immediately it felt like they were mocking the Montreal
15:20
Screwjob for. How many times, Vince, how many
15:22
times did you do this over the years?
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He did it twice in this night alone.
15:25
Because when you get to the the Legacy and the DX match, they're
15:30
like making jokes about it before the match even begins.
15:33
And Triple H is like, yeah, I wasn't even there.
15:36
Like they were. They were making such a mockery
15:39
of it throughout. Finish your night with this half
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assed attempt at a mockery of the Montreal screwjob.
15:48
Really like set me off again of like this this period, man.
15:53
Like it was rough for me to even go back and and look at and like
15:57
try to rewatch even with open eyes.
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Right man. They they called DX called it a
16:03
quote UN quote certain incident and they were having some fun
16:07
about that. And HBK is, is blaming
16:10
everything on Triple H and Triple H was like, I wasn't even
16:13
there. I don't know, more slap
16:15
slapstick stuff that I just don't want to see from, you
16:18
know, those two. Yeah.
16:20
No, no, thank you. No, no.
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All right. Before we dive into our main
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event, which is Randy Orton versus John Cena in an I Quit
16:29
match, let's talk about what's in our cooler because the extra
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Yeah. I know, but I'll I'll reflect
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upon it in my cans in the cooler.
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I will too. Mike, what do you got?
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Oh, I got I don't have a Stella this week.
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Wow, they do? What's the like percentage on
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Yeah. Oh, OK.
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I had one of those over the summer and I had to split one
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with with someone at at the poolside.
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It was like, yeah, it was like, you know, a classic like 1112
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just have one out of nowhere. It's.
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water after that bad boy. Speaking of which, you may as
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well just call me Bobby Boucher, so.
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Cheers boys, Cheers. Don't let, I let.
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Before we, I, I can't believe I didn't mention this, but before
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we get into our main event, when I was looking for a photo for
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the graphic, I thought it was pretty cool.
18:05
There's a photo that's out there of Kevin Owens in the crowd that
18:10
pops up during the the DX tag team match and I feel like he's
18:14
spoken about that and being at this event before I've been
18:18
interviews, I've heard him. So it's pretty cool to, to spot
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him out there. I'll I'll post that to our
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discord. It was very cool and he's, I'm
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fairly certain that he is competing as Kevin Steen in
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2009, so. It yeah, that checks.
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Out cool to to see him there like and the the expression on
18:35
his face isn't that of like a fan that's like super invested
18:39
in the outcome of the match. It's more along the lines of
18:42
like somebody that's watching and taking it all in like his
18:45
entire atmosphere is being absorbed.
18:48
It's not not necessarily about that.
18:50
And that match starts out that that legacy DX match there
18:54
again, submissions count anywhere.
18:57
So they immediately go into the crowd and they're like walking
18:59
up the the steps trying to lock one another into sufficient
19:04
holds like around the banisters that are there.
19:06
And like, it's such a weird. It's so strange, so strange.
19:13
All right, breaking .2. 1009 Charlotte and Sasha Banks do
19:17
that. Yes, yes, you are 100% correct.
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They had a match that was very similar in that way that they
19:24
were trying to lock. Remember her doing the bank
19:26
statement like Yep Yep on the railing there?
19:29
Unless she that's how she won. Good man, I like that good
19:33
recall. All right, breaking point 2009.
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It's September right now, so let's just backtrack a little
19:40
bit storyline wise. At SummerSlam, Randy Orton
19:43
defended his WWE Championship against John Cena.
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Orton intentionally gets himself disqualified and is counted out
19:50
of the ring. This has allowed Orton to retain
19:53
the title, but the match was repeatedly restarted.
19:57
Eventually, Orton pinned Cena with illegal leverage.
20:02
As as a result of Orton's actions in the match, WWE
20:05
Chairman Mr. McMahon awarded Cena a rematch.
20:09
Damn right, Powell. Oh God.
20:12
In the spirit of submission concept of the show, the title
20:15
was defended in an I quit match, a match that can only be 1,
20:19
causing the opponent to say I quit.
20:22
Do you guys like I quit matches? Am I going to jump?
20:26
We're jumping the shark a little bit, but let's dive right in.
20:28
I don't mind it as a concept. My issue is the referee shoving
20:34
the microphone into the mouth of the person that's in a
20:37
submission hole. Cena, do you quit?
20:40
No, it's just like it serves me insane like if you could remove
20:45
that part out of this match, this match style as a whole, not
20:49
necessarily just Cena and Orton going at it in 2009, but I just
20:53
mean even in current day, if you remove that microphone piece
20:57
and. Just make it like tapping out
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like. Yeah.
21:01
Whatever, I don't know something.
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And I understand it's supposed to be part of the storytelling,
21:05
and it's supposed to be more embarrassing to actually
21:08
vocalize that you're saying I quit, that you're you're, you
21:11
know, tucking your tail and going home.
21:13
But in the same breath, like, enough's enough.
21:15
Like the The suspension of disbelief is so hard to maintain
21:19
when you have someone shoving a microphone into their face and
21:23
then you hear John Cena go. Supposed to be like,
21:26
unconscious, like, yeah, no. I don't.
21:30
And that's the other thing too. Like if you're in a submission
21:33
hold and you're you're ready to give up, you're more likely to
21:38
slam your hand down out of like frustration or pain than you are
21:42
to scream, no, I quit. I quit.
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It's it just, I don't know, the presentation of it to me is
21:49
always something that I can't stand.
21:52
So and and other parts where it's like I'm going to give the
21:55
guy a few punches now ask him after a few punches like get out
21:59
of here. There's and we're, we're jumping
22:02
right in I guess. But like Orton, it almost
22:05
instantly gets him in the like hanging like vintage Orton as
22:10
he's going for the hanging DDT. And before he hits the hanging
22:13
DDT, like 3 minutes into the match, he's already asking the
22:17
ref to ask Cena if he quits. And then of course, Cena screams
22:22
no in the most, you know, Cena way possible.
22:25
And then he drops them on his head.
22:26
Like it just, that's the microcosm of the whole thing
22:30
that like really drives me bonkers with this style of
22:33
match. But we can, we can rewind and
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yeah. So to take a step back, Vince,
22:39
you know, as this I quit stipulation, but then also his
22:42
other stipulation is if anybody interferes in the match on
22:45
Orton's behalf, Orton will be immediately stripped of the
22:49
title. This is one of those things that
22:53
watching the video package before and finding out that
22:55
Vince is like Vince is on Cena's side and Vince is like a good
23:01
guy in 2009 like and he's very anti, you know, the heel tactics
23:07
of Randy Orton. What is going on?
23:09
I. Can't remember if this is before
23:10
or after he punted Vince though. I think it's, I think it's after
23:14
he punted Vince because it's in the video package.
23:17
All right. It's, I don't know, it's
23:21
strange, but you want to talk about really strange, this match
23:25
in the beginning, to me, there's two things that make me feel
23:29
really uncomfortable. Lilian Garcia's outfit.
23:33
Yeah, what is she wearing? A Rolling Stones shirt?
23:35
Why? It's, it's a Rolling Stones
23:37
shirt, but it looks like it's cut to make it look like a
23:40
dress. And then she has like a short
23:42
skirt and it's got rhinestones all over it.
23:45
It's it's really and then like Bengal style, like bracelets on
23:51
and don't get earless gloves. It's it's a very strange look
23:54
and I wish Jim was here to actually defend his girl.
23:57
Lillian Garcia. I I don't understand, it's not
24:00
like The Rolling Stones are from Quebec, so what's?
24:05
Classic like bands. Yeah.
24:07
One of them be cool. But back to.
24:09
What? Like what topic or something?
24:11
What's more uncomfortable? The size of John Cena's enormous
24:18
jorts, which these things are. Oh my God, it it's Echo, right?
24:26
That's brand Echo on on the the buttocks.
24:31
On the Ryan. Peaks.
24:32
Yeah, on the pockets. The art is just on the pockets.
24:35
So the nose is on one side and the ass of the rhino is on the
24:38
other. But it's classic like.
24:41
No, the shorts are, yeah, but. The shorts is the knee.
24:45
Oh my. God, you can't even see the knee
24:46
pads they go down to. They're like capris or like
24:51
baggy ones at that. But that's uncomfortable.
24:54
But then what's even more uncomfortable to me is the way
24:57
that Randy Orton looks. He and you got to see a side by
25:01
side of this guy compared to today because he looks like a
25:05
different. Person see a side by side of
25:07
this guy and GI Jane, because let me tell you, he looks like
25:13
Demi Moore here and GI really, Does he really tell you?
25:19
I could I could Photoshop his head onto Demi Moore's body and
25:24
it's. He's not the manic a woman
25:28
mannequin or something. He's just so hairless.
25:30
It's weird. It's.
25:33
Weird, that's what it is. He looks like like those
25:35
hairless cats, right? In human form.
25:39
It's kind of weird. The Knicks got a lot of drawing
25:42
to do this. Oh my.
25:43
God, all right. Randy Orton looking like a cat.
25:46
I I hate ChatGPT like all those things going around the
25:50
Internet, but I might have to use it for Randy Orton as a
25:54
skinless cat. A hairless cat.
25:56
Sorry. I swear them GI Jane and Randy
25:59
Orton, 2009. Oh, it's it's spot on.
26:02
Uncanny. You can put Orton's face on GI
26:05
Jane's body or vice versa. I don't know which is more
26:08
expensive. Yeah.
26:09
I think like Matt, you when you were asking Ace about this,
26:15
maybe this match or suggestions, I think you referred to it as
26:18
bald Randy Orton. And it's like, that's definitely
26:21
it. He's like, he's got no hair and
26:23
it's uncomfortable. He said this is prime bald
26:26
psycho Randy Orton. So thank you Acefield Retro for
26:30
the recommendation on this one. So also I, I talked about this
26:35
earlier and that I would go back to it after this match was over.
26:38
I went back towards the front half the first hour.
26:42
And This is why I ended up watching the the Singapore Cane
26:45
match in the background was because right before it, there
26:48
is a backstage interview with Randy Orton about this match.
26:52
And he is like so slow and methodical about the way he's
26:57
talking. I wish I watched this interview
27:00
before I watched the match because it it helps add another
27:04
layer to the feud. Oh, I loved it and I did watch
27:08
it in, you know, I just turned the pay-per-view on and let it
27:10
run and then pay attention when I needed to pay attention.
27:12
And this is one of those interviews or backstage
27:16
vignettes or whatever you want to call it that like Josh
27:19
Matthews comes into the locker room and he sits with Randy
27:21
Orton. And Orton, like Nick said, just
27:23
cuts this promo that was directly out of the school of
27:26
Jake the Snake Roberts, where the fact that it was so quiet
27:30
and slow and the low tone that was happening with his voice
27:34
that you had to stop and turn and watch the screen.
27:38
It. Was awesome.
27:40
Yeah, yeah, he's just like sitting there with this like
27:43
blank look in his face. And like you said, the
27:45
comparison to Jake is is perfect.
27:47
It's spot on the. I think you hit another nail on
27:51
the head here with not only Orton, but I guess specifically
27:55
Orton, but Cena definitely to an extent too.
27:58
But these two guys throughout this entire match, their facial
28:02
expressions is everything is everything for this match and
28:07
the storytelling and it is so top tier, top notch of what they
28:11
can do. Emoting with their face is is
28:14
phenomenal. And I that's something that I
28:16
took away and I'm well sure to bring up later, but this was
28:19
really cool. This match is one of those
28:21
matches where you can see how the fans who were watching in
28:26
2009 and and beyond started to get frustrated with Cena right
28:31
Like it's the what was it the the five most doom?
28:35
He starts on like 3 minutes in 4 minutes.
28:38
Oh, the shoulder block. It's, it's just, it's painful.
28:41
And even he's kind of corny, like a lot.
28:45
I mean, we know John Cena as a corny guy and I listen, I I
28:49
don't know, I don't remember what Jim said.
28:52
But when we pitched this match, right, we were trying to figure
28:56
out what to cover this week and for our next week or our episode
28:59
in two weeks. And we started throwing this out
29:03
in preparation to backlash. And Jim was like, just be
29:05
prepared. I'm going to like find ways to
29:08
dump all over it because I have no interest in covering it.
29:10
That's not the real reason he's here.
29:12
Not here. He had family obligations and,
29:15
you know, maybe he just decided he didn't want to cover this
29:17
match. But but then last night when we
29:20
were talking about it, a little bit back and forth, he's like,
29:22
this match just reminds me of Vince playing with his action
29:26
figures. And to me, that's all I can
29:29
picture is this picture of Vince hovered over a ring with like,
29:32
real life. Randy LG, NS.
29:34
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like big bulky dudes.
29:38
So Speaking of big and bulky, let's go back.
29:40
We talked about Randy Orton and how he looked and how skinny he
29:44
looked in comparison to where he is now.
29:47
John. Do either of you guys remember
29:50
what weight these two were billed as?
29:53
During the match, No I do not. If you were to take a guess, I
29:56
guess right there. Now is billed as like close
29:59
approaching 300. I feel like in 2025 S back then,
30:04
no more than he was probably billed close to 250, but there's
30:09
no way he was more than 225 the way he.
30:11
Looks and what did what do you would where would you put Cena
30:14
as he's being billed as? I'm guessing they billed them as
30:18
a similar weight class. Cena was billed at 2:40 and
30:23
Orton was billed at 2:45 for. This no way.
30:26
Absolutely no way. Yes, Cena, it's so much more
30:29
than Orton here. Cena looks huge.
30:32
Cena looks. Massive.
30:33
Oh my God, yeah, yes, even you can see it in his face too.
30:37
Orton's got some height on him, but like literally these two
30:41
together, he would never assume that the bigger guy weight wise
30:45
was was Randy Orton actually. Yeah.
30:51
So there's there's some brutal spots.
30:53
It basically like majority of matches all Orton just
30:58
obliterating scene basically as he gets the first thing that.
31:01
Really, announcements are saying they're torturing him.
31:05
Yes, yes. And to take a step back, I know
31:07
I usually do this and I forgot to on the call because it's one
31:10
of those stupid pay per views where they're bouncing back and
31:12
forth between the announced boots.
31:15
You've got Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler, and let me tell
31:19
you, these two are a terrible pairing in my.
31:22
Opinion I agree they were they seemed like they they didn't get
31:25
along I. Agree.
31:27
It felt like between the fact of them not getting along and it
31:31
was very apparent watching this that Vince McMahon is like just
31:35
marionetting them, just puppeteer in the back.
31:38
And there was so much like weird transitions and like things that
31:42
just didn't make sense in the moment.
31:44
And Michael Cole would say something and then stop and then
31:47
continue saying something. And it just felt so awkward
31:50
throughout the match. And King is like completely
31:53
feeling like he's mailing it in. Like he's not King of Latitude
31:56
Era, but he's not, you know, I don't know.
31:59
This is natural, you know, like, like my son, my son with some
32:03
birthday gift cards just bought WWE2K25I haven't played a
32:07
wrestling video game in probably like 12 years.
32:10
Listening to Jerry Lawler on this call reminded me of like,
32:15
the video game calling, like how they have it in 2K.
32:19
And it's just like, like, yeah, very formula and just it, it
32:23
just doesn't flow. It's it's not very good.
32:26
But the things that Orton does to Cena in this match early on
32:31
are are brutal. And I want to know how in God's
32:35
name, right, John Cena is able to get his head squished like a
32:41
grape on the top steel stair, right?
32:44
He, Randy Orton, has him laid out on the steel steps on the
32:48
outside of the ring, and he, no joke, he places his foot on his
32:52
head and goes to stomp it like a grape.
32:55
The man would be hospitalized. This is exactly where this bald
33:01
headed psycho as Ace called Randy Orton here.
33:04
This is his MO at this point and with the but he, the way that he
33:10
is able to work and the way that he's able to make this visibly
33:13
look to the people not only at ringside, but to the US watching
33:17
on television is really top notch.
33:19
And of course you know it it. You can see if you slow it down
33:23
what he's doing, but it looks like he legitimately jumps and
33:26
stomps directly on Cena's head, not only once, but he comes back
33:29
and he does it a second time. And it was like springs work,
33:32
yes. Would you say this is where John
33:36
Cena reached his breaking point? I wish you guys all could have
33:44
seen Maggle's facial expression because it was one of the most
33:50
beautiful things I've seen all week.
33:53
I. Man, I wish that I pulled and I
33:56
should have pulled John Cena. 'S times.
34:00
Not, no, not only, not the amount of times that he said no.
34:03
But I guess I can go back and. Like how many times something
34:06
Michael Cole says breaking point?
34:08
I mean, Oh my God. There you go.
34:10
I just wish I took the monotone. Of.
34:13
John Cena every time that he was like in the beginning.
34:17
At first I saw it and I was like, what?
34:19
What? Is he reacting right every time
34:20
Mike Keota gets in his face with the microphone?
34:23
Do you quit John? Do you quit John?
34:26
It's it's it's like pathetic, but at the same time he's gotten
34:29
the crap kicked out of him. I don't, I don't know.
34:32
It was frustrating at times and it made me realize I don't like
34:35
I quit matches. One part I do appreciate when
34:39
he's got him handcuffed and like around the ring post, which
34:43
we'll I guess get to he Randy Orton.
34:46
I appreciate he gets water and like pours it over Cena So he's
34:51
like, you're not going to pass out and like not say I quit on
34:55
me. I like that part.
34:57
Right. So Randy Orton breaks out the
34:59
long handcuffs. He handcuffs him and in a cool
35:01
spot, he he poked him up on the steps and he then drapes that
35:05
chain over the top turnbuckle. So Cena's like hanging there.
35:10
He can't move, he can't get it off and he's just beating the
35:13
crap out of him. And like Mike said, he Randy
35:17
sees him passing out, He takes the the bottle of water and
35:22
tosses it in his face, tells him you're not you're not going to
35:24
pass out on me. Cena then spits the water in his
35:27
face. We get some action still with
35:31
Cena. I think before that or after it
35:33
where he's getting destroyed with the Singapore cane and.
35:38
You can see it right in the stung up there.
35:40
Oh, you see these welts that that form on the stomach and
35:44
it's like, OK, kudos to you guys.
35:45
You're, you're going all out. And I know like a few years ago
35:52
when we started this podcast and I know I, you know, we, we've
35:56
talked on our extra credit episodes about like excessive
35:59
blood, especially with AW, like how they used it a little bit
36:02
too much this match. Man, if there was a little bit
36:05
of blood, it would have really ramped it up.
36:08
And I get it. This was this was a APG era, but
36:12
man, it would have just dialed this match.
36:14
That was the most we got. Just those like Mark scratching,
36:18
yeah. Yeah, but if you think about it
36:21
through the, you know, PG era to the ruthless aggression, and
36:26
this is kind of like in between, right?
36:28
Like it's kind of that midway point between the two of them.
36:31
And like, it's really a, you know, they call it a brutal
36:37
match. They and I was hesitating to use
36:39
that word specifically, but that's what Michael Cole is
36:42
selling it as. Is this what we just watched was
36:44
this brutal match? But really in the the landscape
36:47
of 2009, it really was like between the the head stop on the
36:54
the bottom of the steel steps like we talked about before, and
36:57
now the handcuffs being legitimately hung up and just
37:01
beaten with the Singapore cane. Sure, it is what it is.
37:04
But and then on top of it, you're you're getting these
37:08
other spots on top and the welts that they're zooming in on and
37:11
you're seeing these other, you know, kind of crazy spots for
37:14
what is 2009. So in today's wrestling, and you
37:19
know, even the wrestling of the past at 2009's point, this
37:23
doesn't feel like much, but right when you think about it
37:27
through those lenses actually was a.
37:29
Pretty. No, you're right.
37:31
There's a lot of chair shots to the head, too.
37:33
There are there are quite a bit of chair shots to the head.
37:38
So at at one point, right he pours the water Cena spits in in
37:43
Orton's face. Orton then goes to hit him with
37:46
the cane and chokes him out until finally Cena delivers a
37:49
low blow. This is when we start to see it
37:51
happen, right? We start to see Super Cena arise
37:57
and Cena escapes from the ring. Post gets hit by a steel chair
38:01
again just when we think he's going to get out of it, and now
38:03
he's he's still handcuffed with one arm to the bottom rope
38:07
outside the ring. Then Super Cena still one arm,
38:14
one armed attitude adjustment to Orton and he takes the key from
38:18
around Orton's neck. He handcuffs himself to Orton
38:22
while handcuffed together, Cena drags Orton inside the ring.
38:26
And then but then we get like the little tease.
38:29
Orton goes to hits an RKO on Cena and we're like, OK, maybe
38:33
we're not going to get this, maybe, maybe not, but the the.
38:39
But you gotta say, I quit. The cinematic piece of this from
38:44
here forward is really well done and I felt like this is ahead of
38:49
its time for the way that the wrestling was being shot during
38:53
this point because I I love the fact that Orton has the, you
38:58
know, keys around his neck. He's got him on a necklace and
39:00
that's, you know, what how he's been progressing throughout the
39:03
match. And it's you know, some of it is
39:05
to tease Cena, but the other part is that he gets to move him
39:08
around and he's, you know, disconnecting the cuffs.
39:11
He's moving it off of the turnbuckles and, you know,
39:14
moving it over. And then of course, it comes
39:16
back to backfire on him. But at the very end of this
39:20
match here and as we move into the finish, if you allow me to
39:22
go there, Nick, go for it. The keys are now on the close to
39:27
the corner and Cena has locked in the STFU and Orton is just
39:33
writhing in pain trying to get out of it.
39:35
And you see him trying to reach over as much as you can and
39:39
trying to get these keys to get away from the from Cena.
39:43
And the way that it was shot from the corner looking up just
39:47
was this dramatic, amazing visual to this match that
39:52
really, I think brought the entire importance of the match
39:55
up. Yes, as I was watching it.
39:56
So I feel like this finish was really, really good.
39:59
And, you know, eventually Orton cannot get to the keys.
40:06
He is locked in this STFU. And he, he has to say, I quit.
40:10
Yeah, with his one arm handcuffed.
40:12
So it's like added beverage too. That's that's another point.
40:16
Thank you, Mike. But like this isn't the normal
40:19
really loose John Cena submission hold this has they're
40:23
handcuffed together and Orton's arm is being pulled back behind
40:27
him and he's essentially choking himself or he's being choked on
40:30
his own arm because there's that much torque and that much
40:33
leverage on it. But let's let's listen to the
40:35
call and the finish here. It's almost there.
40:37
Go for the Oh my God, let's get to the head of it.
40:47
Randy Orton has reached his breaking point.
40:56
Michael Cole. The Michael Cole, the Michael
40:59
Cole of it all, to quote Matt, is disturbing.
41:04
Siddily, it's just. Like it has a.
41:08
Breaking point? That's why I said it before, it
41:11
feels so. Yes.
41:13
Oh, it has to. Be has to be scripting.
41:16
It has to be in his ear. The entire say breaking point.
41:19
Damn it, make sure you say breaking point.
41:22
Any wrestling? You don't say it 10 times,
41:24
you're fine. You hear Michael Cole's actual
41:29
voice, but you know it's Vince. You know it's a Vince line.
41:32
Like it's just being rammed down our throats.
41:36
It's it's nauseating. Yes, yes.
41:40
And then when, want to make it even more nauseating, the match
41:43
ends and then you get John Cena. Get on the microphone.
41:46
You have that clip too. I have it.
41:48
I have it. So this is like after he's
41:50
announced this. This.
41:51
This is his. 6th championship, so keep that in mind.
41:54
We're now at 17. This was #6 for him.
41:58
The announcers say Cena is now a six time champion and Orton is a
42:02
broken man. Like, all right, we're getting
42:04
even cheesier. But all of that said and done,
42:07
they go through all the replays. John Cena now has this spinner
42:10
title that's no longer spinning, so it's stationary, but it's
42:13
still is that hunk of metal on a leather strap.
42:16
And we get this close up of John in the corner with a microphone
42:20
and. I did not quit.
42:24
No, he did not. No, he did not.
42:29
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Oh man, oh man, oh man.
42:34
It's for the kids. Yeah, I guess that's a, that's a
42:37
lens that I didn't think of until you just said it, Mike.
42:40
And I guess I should have, because if you look at the front
42:42
row hardcamp, you see the, you know, adults in the middle, in
42:47
the center of it. But if you look to the left and
42:49
look to the right, it's nothing but kids.
42:52
It really is nothing but kids. And there's this evil, yeah,
42:56
there's this evil, maniacal Randy Orton, the, you know,
43:00
devil reincarnated. And then here you are with the
43:03
superheroes, Super Cena with the five moves of Doom.
43:06
And it makes total sense. And the cheesiness of it and
43:09
really making it into this comic book rather than professional
43:13
wrestling. And it was.
43:16
It takes a toll on us as we're sitting back and we're looking
43:19
at it through the lenses of 2025, but maybe in 2000.
43:23
And and nine, it's it's a different story.
43:25
While we have our own kids now, we can appreciate that.
43:28
Yes, that is certainly true because put this into into a
43:31
mode where you know, it's this evil, maniacal Kevin Owens going
43:38
up against the superhero that is Cody Rhodes and you know,
43:42
putting that in kind of the same way, I can see the same crowd
43:46
reaction and the same booking essentially it's.
43:48
Amazing to see the evolution in the 16 years of like camera work
43:54
and like what these guys have been able to figure out like
43:58
that looked like watching this match from 2009.
44:01
It was. There was a lot of cool spots.
44:03
Yeah. Sorry if I could get my math.
44:05
I'm all wrong? Oh it's perfect, just it's
44:08
feeling old, especially with my birthday next week.
44:12
It's it's wild, like the camera work.
44:15
Then they sold things and these guys were able to do things, but
44:18
now it like they have somehow figured out a way to make it
44:22
look more brutal in 2025 like and and kudos to them.
44:27
They're it. It's amazing.
44:28
Let's give cans in the cooler to this match.
44:30
I want you guys to go first. I have mine written down and I
44:34
never write mine down. See, and I always I, I try my
44:38
best to write them down and I usually forget, but this time I
44:41
did and I'm going. It's too high.
44:44
It's too high. I know, I know that my rating is
44:47
too high. Not be a.
44:48
Four, it's really tough for me to rate this one.
44:50
I am going 3 1/4. I wanted that's fine.
44:55
I feel like the way that we. Pretty much all I have.
44:58
I feel like the way that we dumped all over this, you
45:00
wouldn't suspect that I would sit here and give it 3 1/4, even
45:04
teetering on 3 1/2. But I, I talked about it
45:07
earlier, I want to be respectful to it because the selling from
45:11
both of these guys and specifically through the facials
45:14
like we talked about and just how they emote and how you can
45:17
see what they're feeling throughout this match was really
45:21
a great take away. The way that they shot, the
45:23
angles and the way that the match looked at the end of the
45:26
day, like Orton beating him down in this 19 minute match just
45:30
felt like it was shorter, to be honest with you.
45:32
It didn't feel like 19 matches, which 19 minutes, which is
45:35
usually a good thing, but this under PG rules really takes it
45:41
away and makes me top it down. If there was blood in any way,
45:45
shape or form, like you guys said, I think it goes to another
45:47
level and then we can start talking about, you know, 3 1/4,
45:51
excuse me, 3 and 3 and 3.75 or more, you know, but here I'm
45:57
landing at 325 and I feel like I'm being generous.
46:02
OK. We got like.
46:03
I I had it down like I was kept going between 3:00 and 3:00 and
46:09
like 1/4. So that's pretty much where I
46:12
was at. Same as you, Matt.
46:16
I guess you, you know, it's, it's not that great.
46:21
It's, it's a good Fina and Orton match.
46:24
I'm trying to like go back like thinking in 2009 lens.
46:28
You know what I mean, right? This is this is for those of you
46:33
that are listening. You know, if you go and Google
46:36
the feuds between these two guys, this is rated as like
46:40
either one or it's either #1 or #2 on most people's lists.
46:45
Yeah, it's a solid I quit match. It's it is a rock versus
46:49
mankind, but it's definitely solid.
46:53
Like yeah, would I go back and rewatch it maybe like.
46:58
Yeah. I I think not much but.
47:01
I think it's tough when you put it that way of like the rewatch
47:05
ability of it, like I'm glad I watched it.
47:07
But at the end of the day, like, all right, yeah, I saw it.
47:11
So here's here's. What this match and this card
47:14
did for me, this match and this card in particular did not make
47:19
me want to go back and watch anything from 2009.
47:22
And I don't mean that as a knock, but like there's a lot of
47:25
wrestling out there that in my lifetime I have not watched.
47:28
And I feel like there's also a ton that I have watched, but
47:31
this whole entire event and this specific match did not make me
47:36
want to go back and watch this era.
47:38
Would you say if you you reached your breaking point?
47:44
Oh man, that was better than me trying to squeeze in this I
47:47
hate. WCW.
47:49
All right, so I give this as per usual.
47:54
I feel like this is my new trend, or actually it's probably
47:57
not new. I give it.
47:58
I gave it 3 1/2 cans in the cooler.
48:01
I I wasn't. We're all on the same page.
48:04
Though yeah, I agree 100% with everything you guys say here.
48:08
Here are my talking points of what I did not like, I don't
48:11
like. I quit matches the microphone in
48:13
the face. Not a big fan.
48:15
We talked about that and also I think outside of the actual
48:21
match, I think Jerry Lawler really hurt the match.
48:24
I don't think, I think if you had someone better, and I'm not
48:27
and and it's not even Michael Cole, didn't bother me.
48:30
I've been very adamant, especially on the Discord about
48:33
how I have grown to really appreciate what Michael Cole
48:36
does. I don't think he's ever like,
48:39
even though he is the lead guy, he needs another guy to work off
48:43
of. And I don't think he and Waller
48:46
have very good chemistry. I actually think they have very
48:48
bad chemistry and I think Waller specifically hurt them.
48:53
And then my my other issue why I couldn't go higher than 3 1/2
48:57
was super Cena. Orton is absolutely obliterating
49:01
him in this match. He's he's stomping on his head
49:04
on steel steps. The, the, the kendo stick across
49:08
the midsection, the, the chair shots to the head, you know,
49:12
just the, the onslaught of moves.
49:14
And then it kind of feels like the match flips on a dime out of
49:18
nowhere, Cena. Doesn't do much.
49:20
Yeah, it's a 19 minute match. Yeah, it's a 19, can't imagine.
49:24
I didn't time it or anything, but my guess would be for 15
49:29
minutes it's all Randy Orton and then the last four minutes is
49:32
super Cena. So that's why I can't go higher
49:36
than 3.5. I would recommend as we build to
49:40
Backlash if you're looking for something to watch before this
49:42
weekend. This is something fun to go
49:45
watch, especially if you weren't watching in 2009.
49:49
But at the same time, I have no interest in rewatching anything
49:53
from 2009. Now, does it impact the way that
49:57
you will watch Orton and Cena this weekend in 2025?
50:01
OK, so that's a really good question because I absolutely
50:05
hate, hate, hate the may the the post WrestleMania pay-per-view.
50:11
I I think it's the pay-per-view PLE that I am least interested
50:16
and least likely to watch. I'll still watch, but I think
50:21
it's it's always too close to Mania.
50:24
And I think they would benefit from, no, I know they have to
50:27
for financial reasons, which we're not going to go down that
50:29
road, but I think they would benefit from just post
50:34
WrestleMania and just let it cool till June or Money in the
50:38
Bank, whatever's next. Because you look at the card and
50:42
you're like, am I really into any of these matches?
50:45
Not really. They all feel forced.
50:49
I I think that the Cena Orton match this weekend is going to
50:53
be a lot of fun. Yes, I, I agree.
50:55
And I think, and I think with Cena's career ending in
51:00
December, whenever it's going to and I think, you know, Orton on
51:03
the tail end of his career, I think it's appropriate that they
51:06
are having a feud in this run. You know, I think for that
51:10
reason, yeah. Yeah, for for that reason, this
51:14
is great, but in a nutshell, backlash is not something I'm
51:20
looking forward to. I don't want to go off on a full
51:22
tangent on this, but like I feel like they've made strides
51:25
forward because when it was the WrestleMania Backlash, brother.
51:29
It was like, oh, that was garbage you.
51:31
Were like eating matches from Mania and then you understand
51:35
your take of like I'm just not interested.
51:36
That totally makes sense. This is going to be another back
51:40
to the PLE formula of they have five matches booked.
51:44
Now we're recording on Tuesday night before the pay-per-view
51:47
and they have five matches booked.
51:50
Obviously another one could be added during Smack Down if
51:52
really necessary, but sure, there's, you know, McAfee
51:56
against Gunther. That's not going to do anything
51:58
for for many people. That being on the card is what
52:01
pisses me off the most, but that I don't want to go there.
52:03
It's not about the match, it's about the story that's
52:05
inevitably going to come from it.
52:07
But yes, like I said, I'm going too far on this tangent, but I
52:10
don't really think that this learning the history of Orton
52:14
and Cena. They've had 21 matches together,
52:17
22 if you count OVW. They had a no contest in OVW as
52:21
Cena was the prototype. Cena has thirteen wins, Randy
52:25
has 8 and there's one no contest mixed in.
52:28
Now those are just television matches or PLE matches,
52:32
pay-per-view matches, So and that's just one-on-one that's
52:35
not X tags or anything else along the way.
52:38
So I thought it was really interesting to kind of go back
52:40
and learn a lot of this, but I don't feel like it really
52:44
impacted my excitement for the match this week.
52:48
No, no, but it's, I don't know. I listen, we're approaching five
52:54
years of this podcast. We, we clearly enjoy the history
52:58
lesson, right? Like we enjoy the history of
53:01
professional wrestling. And I, I've made it very clear,
53:05
as much fun as I have watching stuff that I've watched, you
53:10
know, many times, whether it's live or rewatched, I also really
53:14
enjoy watching things with fresh eyes for the first time.
53:17
And for that purpose, I enjoyed it.
53:20
But like you said, it, it it didn't do anything to like make
53:23
me like, oh, this feud makes that much more sense.
53:27
Exactly, and this is still very early on in their their feud.
53:31
Yes, seen 1/6. Championship.
53:34
Correct. Yeah, but they go to to face
53:37
each other again in October at Hell in a Cell like they they're
53:40
going to, you know, Randy Orton's going to get the title
53:42
back at Hell in a Cell 2009, which is the very next month
53:46
they reach. Their breaking point?
53:49
It's starting to get in that mode.
53:51
Yeah. Hey, listen, we're all on the
53:53
same page. If you're looking for something
53:54
to watch, if you're looking for something to maybe, you know, I
53:57
know we just got done saying how it doesn't get me excited for
54:00
it. It's a cool like rehash, like
54:02
it's the match to watch between these two If you're looking for
54:06
something in preparation for for Backlash.
54:09
I'm I'm on, I'm on cagematch.net at the moment and.
54:12
What did Melton? I have that too, but if if you
54:16
look at this, they have the Orton and Cena have 2009 at
54:21
SummerSlam. They have their match there
54:24
where Orton wins. Then you have an I quit match
54:27
that we just talked about in September.
54:30
So August, September, then October is Hell in a Cell and
54:35
then you're going to October 25th.
54:38
Still later in that month you're going to WWE bragging rights and
54:42
they have a 60 minute Iron Man match.
54:44
Like I kept getting confused, like is it bragging rights?
54:46
Is it breaking point? Is it bragging rights or
54:48
breaking point? Which one is it that we're
54:50
watching? And then they have another
54:53
televised match in December at Raw.
54:56
Which apparently that's enough guys it.
54:59
Was like the year 2009 tournament final was Cena
55:02
against. Orton, yes.
55:03
So Cena's got 16 titles and Orton's got what, 14?
55:08
How many of them have been lost to each other like it's?
55:10
Crazy. Here we go.
55:11
So I've got that for us right here and it's, you said 16, it's
55:15
up to 17 now pal. So there's 123 4/4 times they
55:21
have, there's been 20 changes, sorry.
55:24
Wow. This was the first, and then
55:27
again it Hell in the Cell and then again during the Iron Man
55:29
match. So three of the four were.
55:31
Just what I want to watch an hour long Iron Man match.
55:35
Like who actually enjoys that? Right?
55:38
Like who? Who?
55:40
There were 1111 total falls in that match all.
55:44
Right. I'll give them that then.
55:46
Better than that, Brett and Sean.
55:47
That's interesting. And then there was a
55:50
unification. He hammered on the discord for
55:53
that. And there's a unification
55:56
Tables, Ladders and Chairs match from 2013, which is the last of
56:02
the four title changes when Randy Orton beats John Cena and
56:05
unifies the titles. All right.
56:08
I think it's, I think it's about time we we, yeah, look at this
56:11
guy. He's like doing his one lock on
56:13
the bus right now. Yeah, exactly.
56:15
No, I I had it prepped. It's up here.
56:18
I knew there were going to be talks about it, especially when
56:20
I bring up the fact that they faced each other 21 times.
56:22
But take a guess of what Meltzer gave it, Mike.
56:27
I already saw I. Didn't look it up.
56:29
I didn't. See, I looked it up and I know
56:31
Nick looked at my notes. I want to say I'm going to say
56:35
2.75. Four and a quarter?
56:38
What? 4 and a quarter.
56:41
Wild. Unbelievable.
56:44
Maybe that was the reason why I came in too, because I knew like
56:47
I, I rated it and then I looked up Meltzer and I was, I wasn't
56:51
expecting to be so far off like I I giving 3 1/4 and Meltzer
56:55
giving it four and a quarter. Usually it's the other way
56:58
around. So how about let's let's let's.
57:01
Pile on that in, in the, I don't know what the footage is from,
57:06
but in the Raw, the recap of this match on Raw on Monday
57:10
night this week, Foley compares it to Brett and Austin at
57:14
WrestleMania. And I thought that was yes, I, I
57:19
was like, Foley, come on, man, who made you say that?
57:22
Like, come on, that's a stretch. Was it the brutality, quote, UN
57:26
quote, of this match? Yeah, I think that's what he was
57:29
kind of comparing it to of these two just going at one another.
57:32
And it was a submission match. So sure, submission match.
57:35
I quit match. But like if you had Cena or if
57:39
you had Orton with the same, you know, Crimson mask that Austin
57:44
had. All right, man, We're, we're
57:46
raising our grades a little bit higher than one. 100% and that's
57:49
not coming from people who are like big on like.
57:51
Needing the bloodthirsty. Yeah, yeah.
57:54
All right, so thank you guys for listening to this.
57:56
I I hope I know we didn't really like endorse this and say go
58:00
watch it before backlash, but I listening to this hopefully got
58:04
you excited for backlash. But it's Mike, you work great's
58:10
birthday next week. So what we said was I said, go
58:14
give us guys. I said we're going to do Orton
58:18
and Cena this week. And then I said, Mike, Jim, this
58:23
is your wheelhouse, Go give us some wrestle crap.
58:26
So he dug up some wrestle crap. And we're not going to be there
58:29
next week for that. But the week after, right before
58:31
Memorial Day, we will be there with some wrestle crap for you
58:35
guys because we owe it to you and more importantly, ourselves.
58:40
So we need to have a few good laughs at the absurdity.
58:45
So, so if you're not already doing it, make sure you tell all
58:49
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58:51
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58:54
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58:57
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59:04
Thank you very much for taking the time out and listening to
59:07
our show. Let's even a sports chat on the
59:09
Discord. Go Knicks.
59:11
Yeah, go Knicks. Go New York.
59:14
Hey, Mike. Cheers.
59:16
Happy birthday brother. Happy birthday Mike, and
59:18
hopefully you don't reach your breaking point.
59:22
I'll try not to. Thank you.
59:24
See you and. Whether these fans here in
59:28
Montreal, like just seen or not, he certainly earned the WWE
59:34
title tonight and it's of everyone in the WWE Universe.