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Steve Price | 2 May · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: We're goome to Friday Night's Steve Price with You, and
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Speaker 2: in twenty four hours on the East coast of Australia
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Speaker 2: at least the polls in this May election will close
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Speaker 2: and the seat counting will begin. Great coverage lined up
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Speaker 2: on Sky tomorrow night. Over seven million of us have
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Speaker 2: already me included voted something that I'll talk to the
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Speaker 2: Australian Electrical Commission about upon polling date. Shortly they'll join
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Speaker 2: us on the program also tonight. Do we believe the polls,
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Speaker 2: including a yugub pole suggesting the alban Easy government will
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Speaker 2: be easily returned tomorrow? Former Coalition front bencher Christopher Pine
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Speaker 2: has laughed at that idea. I don't see the result
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Speaker 2: being nearly as bad as a lot of people are saying.
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Speaker 2: I think people will get a surprise on election night.
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Speaker 2: Good to have Christopher Pine back with us. We catch
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Speaker 2: up with former Liberal advisor David Gazard, will get his
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Speaker 2: view on where this campaign has gone and what result
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Speaker 2: might be tomorrow night. It's been a long five weeks
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Speaker 2: on the campaign trail for the leaders and the traveling media,
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Speaker 2: and I just wonder if visiting all those seats and
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Speaker 2: schools and factories and shopping centers, gives our reporters a
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Speaker 2: sense of what will happen tomorrow. Trudy Macintosh and cam
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Speaker 2: redn are still on the road and they'll join me
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Speaker 2: first up tonight. Plus what would a federal election campaign
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Speaker 2: be without the brilliance of Australia's political cartoonists giving us
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Speaker 2: a laugh and a unique insight into the political fight.
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Speaker 2: Mark Knight, my colleague from the Herald Sun with his
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Speaker 2: campaign highlights, will also join us first.
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Speaker 1: Though this five.
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Speaker 2: Week campaign that has dragged us through two extended long weekends,
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Speaker 2: the death of a pope, a cyclone, and school holiday breaks,
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Speaker 2: has been one of the least engaging contests I can
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Speaker 2: remember in recent political history. On the Labour side, the
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Speaker 2: tactic seems to have been to repeat over and over
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Speaker 2: again lies and distortions, hoping that disengage public. Like most
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Speaker 2: of Australians might just hear a claim they vaguely believe
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Speaker 2: to be true and vote for no change. How Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Albanize in Treasurer charmers are allowed to get away
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Speaker 2: with making stuff up and not play the price just
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Speaker 2: beggars belief the claim the coalition has secret plans to
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Speaker 2: dismantle Medicare is just ridiculous, about as ridiculous as the
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Speaker 2: prime ministers claim. We will all be able to waltz
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Speaker 2: into our GP clinic with just a green Medicare card
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Speaker 2: and not pay anything for a consultation. If that can happen,
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Speaker 2: it's rare and people know that. But say it and
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Speaker 2: wave your own Medicare card around enough and hope people
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Speaker 2: will actually believe it. Does the Prime Minister seriously not
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Speaker 2: pay anything to go to the doctor And if this
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Speaker 2: was to be the case, no wonder Australia's broke. These
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Speaker 2: scare tactics also used a widely exaggerated cost of going
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Speaker 2: nuclear of six hundred million dollars. Now this has been
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Speaker 2: debated up and down the street. Every alban Easy minister
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Speaker 2: knows that figure supplied by a green left lobby group
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Speaker 2: called the Clean Energy Council, is false. But again repeated
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Speaker 2: an RF and it will stick in some voters' minds.
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Speaker 2: The half truths and scare tactics have lasted all the
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Speaker 2: way to the last day of campaigning. I want you
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Speaker 2: to have a listen to your Prime minister just before
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Speaker 2: eight am to day addressing at length the traveling media.
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Speaker 3: My opponent is fearful of the present and petrified of
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Speaker 3: the future. I did say three years ago that you
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Speaker 3: needed more than one term, and we do. Urgent care
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Speaker 3: clinics will be entrenched if we're elected, they'll go under
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Speaker 3: the coalition. They'll got education funding and this is all
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Speaker 3: before they have any serious proposition of funding their six
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Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars for nuclear energy. Or you can have
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Speaker 3: this absolute nonsense, treating the Australian people with contempt, hitting
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Speaker 3: back wherever he was sitting, whatever he was doing for
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Speaker 3: three years, not coming out with any alternative policies, giving
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Speaker 3: budget replies without any costings. These people are just not ready.
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Speaker 3: They are just not ready for government. Australia deserves better,
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Speaker 3: and I'll give you better.
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Speaker 2: The PMS has Dutton's treating Australians with contempt. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's treating us like a bunch of mugs. I mean
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Speaker 2: that grab just proves my point. Peter Dutton. Call him
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Speaker 2: a social vandal, make people believe he'll trash your health system.
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Speaker 2: Hope someone was watching and move on. I must say
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Speaker 2: there was also a hint of hubris in the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister performance this morning. He talked early in the campaign
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Speaker 2: about Dutton measuring up the curtains for the lodge. He
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Speaker 2: adjusted like a bloke who expects to have Jody and
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Speaker 2: Toto the dog installed in the lodge for at least
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Speaker 2: another three years. I just got a sense in watching
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Speaker 2: him today that he really does believe this thing is
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Speaker 2: done and doest Disappointingly, as the Australian newspaper pointed out
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Speaker 2: in its editorial today, suggesting a coalition vote was the
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Speaker 2: lesser of two ordinary options, that this election has not
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Speaker 2: been a turning point poll, unlike those polls where Bob
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Speaker 2: Hawk in nineteen eighty three to one or John Howard's
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Speaker 2: Defeata Paul Keating in nineteen ninety six. The Australian called
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Speaker 2: it a spendeth on with a lot of short term thinking.
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Speaker 2: We're were likely if the polls are right, get a
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Speaker 2: result tomorrow night. But no one should forget the Morrison
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Speaker 2: miracle of twenty nineteen when the book wakers paid out
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Speaker 2: on a win for Bill Shorten weeks and weeks before
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Speaker 2: election day. How wrong was that Morrison won seventy seven
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Speaker 2: seats to Labour's sixty nine. Is there another miracle in
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Speaker 2: the making. Peter Dutton clearly needs one, and he issued
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Speaker 2: his own late glimmer of hope today.
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Speaker 4: I've been clear in relation to my objective, and that
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Speaker 4: is to win the election tomorrow. We're not in this
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Speaker 4: for anything other than doing the best for our country.
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Speaker 4: The best outcome for our country is to change a
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Speaker 4: bad government out.
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Speaker 5: Don't forget the last three years.
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Speaker 4: The last three years have been a failure right across
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Speaker 4: the economy, in people's lives, people have really suffered because
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Speaker 4: of a bad government. I am excited to be in
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Speaker 4: this position and excited to look tomorrow to an outcome
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Speaker 4: which will be a better future for our country.
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Speaker 1: Or does he believe he can win?
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Speaker 2: Clearly he must, or it would be pretty hard to
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Speaker 2: keep going while we all now sit back and wait
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Speaker 2: and see.
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Speaker 1: Join him in.
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Speaker 2: Our senior political reporter Trudy Macintosh has done an outstanding
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Speaker 2: job over the last five weeks, clocking up the air
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Speaker 2: miles she's been with the PM today, Ednie, am I
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Speaker 2: right or wrong that there's sort of coming a little
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Speaker 2: sense of hubris from Prime Minister Albanize.
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Speaker 6: Well, he's certainly very confident he's been that way. I'd
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Speaker 6: have to say since the first day of this campaign,
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Speaker 6: believing that he can majority in government. We've just been
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Speaker 6: at a prepole booth in the liberal the Labor held
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Speaker 6: seat of Dunkley, it used to be in Liberal hands.
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Speaker 6: It was one of these becoming more and more frequent
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Speaker 6: when the Prime Minister turns up at these prepole booths
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Speaker 6: in essence opportunistic confrontations with members of the public, volunteers,
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Speaker 6: party supporters. This one today getting quite willing. As the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister was walking along the pavement with all of
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Speaker 6: the crush of signs, media and AFP around him, this
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Speaker 6: woman getting up close and pretty personal and aggressive towards
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Speaker 6: the Prime minister.
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Speaker 7: Have a look, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: Now, the lady was wearing a black shirt, but there
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Speaker 6: was some implication that she might have been a Liberal volunteer.
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Speaker 6: One member of the media went up and spoke to
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Speaker 6: her after and put that to her and she said
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Speaker 6: she wouldn't comment. So it's not clear exactly who she is.
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Speaker 6: But that's been replicated that sort of scene at a
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Speaker 6: lot of different polling booths that the Prime Minister's visited.
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Speaker 7: A lot of anger.
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Speaker 6: I'd have to say, didn't see so much of this
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Speaker 6: last the last election. It seems to be on the
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Speaker 6: increase opportunistically too. This is not protesters who've been waiting out.
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Speaker 6: They didn't even know the pen was going to be there.
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Speaker 2: Steve, Yeah, it's unfair I think to let someone get
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Speaker 2: that close. I mean, in the past Truty, in both
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Speaker 2: federal and state elections, we've seen the campaigner's campaign.
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Speaker 1: Through the night famously.
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Speaker 2: I think Tony Abbott might have been the first one
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Speaker 2: to do it, and he went right through the night.
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Speaker 2: I think he ended up in the Sydney fish market
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Speaker 2: on the Saturday morning. I know you'll be hoping that
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Speaker 2: doesn't happen.
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Speaker 1: Is there any.
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Speaker 2: Chance that either the PM might work all night tonight.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't think that's going to happen. On this side,
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Speaker 6: we have been up since four am and we only
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Speaker 6: had three hours sleep last night, so I'd say we're
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Speaker 6: all doing pretty well on the marathon so far. There's
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Speaker 6: no real appetite in the bus. I'd have to say
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Speaker 6: to keep going all night. On the other side, it's
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Speaker 6: been a much faster pace for the Peter Dutton campaign
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Speaker 6: and I wouldn't be surprised if he does get up
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Speaker 6: super early and go all through the day tomorrow.
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Speaker 7: That's just how campaigning is at the moment.
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Speaker 6: They want to get as many seats as possible, riding
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Speaker 6: the lead up to Poles closing.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of seats, the seats on that bus are pretty fancy.
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Speaker 7: I must say.
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Speaker 6: One of my favorite segments I wish you could do
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Speaker 6: is compare the bus in the different places you go.
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Speaker 6: It might be pretty boring, but this one's it's got
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Speaker 6: wooden floors, quite nice leather seats. Some of them look
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Speaker 6: a bit like an RSL that's normally a Queensland rural vibe.
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Speaker 6: You get that RSL carpet. Oh look, I've quite enjoy it.
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Speaker 6: You've got to find small things when essentially your life
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Speaker 6: is on a bus for five ways.
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Speaker 2: Exactly why I asked you, because I knew that you'd
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Speaker 2: get a laugh out of it.
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Speaker 1: Truey, you've done a magnificent job. Good luck. What's your updates?
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Speaker 2: Thank you tomorrow morning and we'll see what happens tomorrow
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Speaker 2: during the campaign. Trudy McIntosh there, who's done an outstanding job.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the other side now. Political reporter Cam
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Speaker 2: Reddin's been on the road. Who's in Perth today with
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton he's now on a plane on the way
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Speaker 2: back to the East Coast. I presume he filed this
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Speaker 2: report earlier.
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Speaker 8: Peter Dutton looking to crank up the vote in Western Australia,
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Speaker 8: targeting Labour's most marginal seat.
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Speaker 9: Here of Tangny.
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Speaker 8: His candidate here, Howard Ong, is looking to unseat first
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Speaker 8: term incumbent Sam Limb.
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Speaker 10: Mister Dunnan, before you held up a newspaper with the
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Speaker 10: headline life will be cheaper under me, the Prime Minister's words?
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Speaker 9: Can you guarantee that life will be cheaper under you?
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Speaker 4: Life will be cheaper under a coalition government?
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Speaker 8: A record seven point three million Australians have voted prior
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Speaker 8: to election day. Labour Sam Limb, he's my local member
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Speaker 8: for Tangney and Labor overall.
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Speaker 9: You want to see the Prime minister have three more years?
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Speaker 10: See absolutely yes, doing a great job.
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Speaker 9: Have you with their policy?
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Speaker 5: Liberal?
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Speaker 9: Liberal? You want to see Peter Dutton be the Prime Minister?
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Speaker 7: Yes?
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Speaker 5: For sure?
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Speaker 9: What do you like about him? What do you think?
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Speaker 9: What do you think makes him ready to be PM?
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Speaker 9: I like he's here mate.
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Speaker 10: I think it was really important to vote because people
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Speaker 10: died for this.
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Speaker 11: Honored to vote today.
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Speaker 9: Who's got your support today?
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Speaker 1: Labor, I legalize marijuana party.
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Speaker 9: I was going to ask what it is about them
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Speaker 9: that's attracted you to them? Is there anything in particular marijuana?
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Speaker 8: But with half the electorate voting tomorrow, there's no time
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Speaker 8: for any campaign camping. You mentioned you believe you can
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Speaker 8: still win tomorrow night when you wake up on Sunday morning,
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Speaker 8: whether you're the Prime Minister or not. Looking back at
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Speaker 8: your first campaign as the leader, do you believe you've
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Speaker 8: given this your best shot.
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Speaker 4: We have worked hard every day night and I've given
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Speaker 4: it to my all, as my team has as well.
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Speaker 1: I'm incredibly proud of the.
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Speaker 4: Team that we've got. We've got an amazing economics team,
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Speaker 4: as John Howe did with Peter Costello, and we can
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Speaker 4: get our country back on track. We can manage the
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Speaker 4: economy much more effectively than.
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Speaker 9: Labor rounding out his day in the West with a
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Speaker 9: pit stop in.
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Speaker 5: Ps And on a good day.
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Speaker 8: And a petrol pump in more How many were going
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Speaker 8: to get to mister Darton that it's number.
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Speaker 9: Sixteen there, We've still got plenty of time to go.
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Speaker 8: The window to win votes so is quickly closing, already
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Speaker 8: nearly half of Australians have cast an early ballot.
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Speaker 9: Roughly another half will vote tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good work, Cam, who's also done an outstanding job
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Speaker 2: on the road. Don't you love the bloke who's going
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Speaker 2: to vote for the legalized marijuana party. When he's asked why,
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Speaker 2: he says marijuana. Well, of course, that's why you'd vote
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Speaker 2: for that party. I guess now, as it turns out,
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Speaker 2: I've already voted. I'm one of those seven point three
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Speaker 2: million people that Cam mentioned there. I'll be out of
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Speaker 2: the state tomorrow. That's why I took the opportunity to
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Speaker 2: visit a pre poll center in the seat of ku
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Speaker 2: Yongi earlier in the week, not even my own elector.
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Speaker 2: I must say the queue was longish, but the Australian
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Speaker 2: Electric Commission staff are absolutely great.
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Speaker 1: I'm not alone.
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Speaker 2: As I said, seven point three million people have already
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Speaker 2: voted in this election. Joining me now from the Australian
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Speaker 2: Electoral Commission, Evan Eken smythe great to have you on
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Speaker 2: the program. Have you at the Commission been surprised at
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Speaker 2: the level of prepole.
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Speaker 12: Yeah a little bit.
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Speaker 13: I mean twenty twenty two was the first feder election,
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Speaker 13: whether more people actually turned out in the early voting
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Speaker 13: period combination of postal and prepole than on the day itself.
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Speaker 13: We thought that would flatten out a little bit, but
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Speaker 13: it's certainly risen again.
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Speaker 1: And I do have an updated.
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Speaker 13: Figure for you, Steve. It's over eight million now when
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Speaker 13: you combine the completed postals returned and about six point
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Speaker 13: seven million people who have come through prepole. So put
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Speaker 13: those two together, eight million.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot.
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Speaker 2: My name was ticked off digitally, my vote was sealed
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Speaker 2: in an envelope. The staff they were fantastic. By the way,
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Speaker 2: when might that vote Evan get counted?
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Speaker 13: It's good to hear that the staff were fantastic. When
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Speaker 13: Pole's closed at six pm on election night, anybody who's
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Speaker 13: voted near their home electorate who didn't have to put
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Speaker 13: their vote in an envelope will count those on election night.
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Speaker 13: Anybody who voted in the pre Pole period near their
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Speaker 13: home electorate again will count those on the night. We're
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Speaker 13: conning a few postal votes that have been returned as
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Speaker 13: well per division to give a trend to Tom Connell
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Speaker 13: and others who will analyze data. But if you voted
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Speaker 13: away from your home electric which sounds like you've done there, Steve.
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Speaker 13: With voting in an envelope, it has to travel back
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Speaker 13: to home electorates, so those get counted in the days afterwards.
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Speaker 2: What's the safeguards for people who would, for whatever crazy reason,
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Speaker 2: try and vote more than once.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, there's a lot of safeguards. So we have what
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Speaker 13: we call electronics certified lists. It's effectively real time mark
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Speaker 13: off of the elector role. That's with all of our
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Speaker 13: mobile teams, all of our early voting centers, all overseas
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Speaker 13: voting centers, a lot of voting centers on the day
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Speaker 13: as well. Anybody who votes outside of their area does
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Speaker 13: what we call a declaration vote, which is what you
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Speaker 13: did with the envelope there. That goes through a role
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Speaker 13: markov process before it actually gets admitted to the count.
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Speaker 13: So someone shown to have already voted, it's not admitted
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Speaker 13: to the count. Also, it's a criminal offense, and we
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Speaker 13: do a cross check of the elector role of course
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Speaker 13: after the event and expediated if it's a close seat
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Speaker 13: as well, to make sure that there isn't any level
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Speaker 13: of multiple larger than the margin. And we always do
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Speaker 13: that and it shows that there's a very very low level.
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Speaker 14: Of that occurring.
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Speaker 2: Has the Evan the AAC been at all concerned about
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Speaker 2: some of these incidents at pre pole booths with posters
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Speaker 2: being damaged and defaced.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, we have.
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Speaker 13: We've been concerned with some sort of disrespectful behavior. I
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Speaker 13: suppose you could categorize it on the lower end. Sometimes
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Speaker 13: there's a few isolated incidents of violence as well. None
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Speaker 13: of that is what you want to see at an
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Speaker 13: Australian federal election, which is actually quite famous for having
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Speaker 13: a respectful sort of community atmosphere to a federal election day.
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Speaker 13: So people should be really conscious for that tree Australian
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Speaker 13: democracy with passion. Sure, absolutely you should be passionate, campaign
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Speaker 13: for the causes you believe in and the policies and
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Speaker 13: the candidates. But treat each other with respect. Candidate workers,
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Speaker 13: our staff, voters, we all need to get along and
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Speaker 13: get through the Australian federal election and in a respectful manner.
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Speaker 2: Some of the mechanics, what's the if you don't vote?
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Speaker 13: It's only twenty bucks, Steve, But I don't know about you.
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Speaker 13: I'd want the twenty bucks in my pocket rather than
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Speaker 13: the AEC's pocket. And really the consequence here and you know,
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Speaker 13: might sound a little bit naff, but it's real.
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Speaker 12: You're not having you say.
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Speaker 13: And people might think that, you know, what goes on
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Speaker 13: in Canberra doesn't necessarily affect you.
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Speaker 12: It absolutely does.
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Speaker 13: The people that you put up the hill in Canberra,
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Speaker 13: they make decisions that affect multiple aspects of your life.
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Speaker 13: So you should absolutely have a say on who represents
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Speaker 13: you and the House of Reps and the Senate.
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Speaker 2: What time do the polling stations open tomorrow? And I
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Speaker 2: missed out obviously on the Democracy sausage. I presume we're
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Speaker 2: going to see sausage sizzles right around the country tomorrow.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think we will. We don't run them, of course,
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Speaker 13: but we've heard lots of reports that they are being
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Speaker 13: run at different venues across the nation. There's about seven
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Speaker 13: thousand odd polling places. They're all operating from eight am
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Speaker 13: till six pm, and then of course we get into
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Speaker 13: the count. It's a long day for our one hundred
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Speaker 13: thousand odd temporary staff. We do lots of counting on
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Speaker 13: election night. With the increased prepole is a bit of
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Speaker 13: a sting in the tail with the count because if
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Speaker 13: you have a prepole center that's about twenty or twenty
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Speaker 13: five thousand odd big prepole center. It can drop the
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Speaker 13: results quite late in the night, so a little bit
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Speaker 13: of patients required this summer.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell Tom to be patient. Evan, thank you very much,
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Speaker 2: good luck tomorrow, and again thank you for the way
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Speaker 2: your staff treated everyone at the prepole that I went
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Speaker 2: to from the Australian electorc Commission.
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Speaker 1: Evan, there now after the break.
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Speaker 2: Some of the polls are painting a pretty bleak picture,
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Speaker 2: aren't they for the coalition? But just how accurate are
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Speaker 2: those poles? We've seen mistakes with polling before, plus exit
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Speaker 2: polling suggests Peter Dutton's own seat could be at risk.
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Speaker 2: That's up next, welcome back to Steve Price. With you,
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Speaker 2: I'll take you to Queensland. In the moment, we'll talk
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Speaker 2: to our Friday Night regular Campbell Newman for Queensland Premier.
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Speaker 1: I want to.
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Speaker 2: See whether this idea that Peter Dutton might lose his
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Speaker 2: own seats actually real. But first joining me now to
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Speaker 2: dig into the polling is for my Liberal advisor and
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Speaker 2: DPG Advisory Solutions founder and directed David Gazzard. David, great
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Speaker 2: to see you again. I guess we've got to be
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Speaker 2: cautious about Poles. They've been wrong before, haven't they.
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Speaker 15: Well, we'll all remember twenty nineteen Steve, when there was
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Speaker 15: a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth on the
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Speaker 15: election panels when Scott Morrison got over the line defying
18:23
Speaker 15: all of the national polls, although they did break late
18:28
Speaker 15: in the last week more in his favor, But there
18:32
Speaker 15: were plenty of press gallery journals saying how did the
18:35
Speaker 15: polls get this so wrong?
18:37
Speaker 16: And I still remember watching the start of that night
18:39
Speaker 16: with Sam Destiari, a former Labor senator, saying he'd seen
18:45
Speaker 16: no data that could suggest that the Coalition would win,
18:48
Speaker 16: And of course they won very famously in that election.
18:50
Speaker 15: So Poles can be wrong.
18:53
Speaker 16: I think they're showing a general trend in the national mood,
18:58
Speaker 16: but of course we're not really that interested in the
19:01
Speaker 16: national mood when it comes down to a handful of
19:04
Speaker 16: marginal seats that are going to determine the outcome of
19:07
Speaker 16: this election.
19:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
19:10
Speaker 2: Well, in twenty nineteen, the book he's paid out prior
19:13
Speaker 2: to the actual election day getting it completely wrong. You
19:18
Speaker 2: wonder whether that might happen now because I think the
19:21
Speaker 2: bus odds I saw David had the coalition at one
19:25
Speaker 2: booking eight dollars fifty a win, another nine dollars fifty,
19:29
Speaker 2: so the money's obviously flowing for labor. Do you give
19:34
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton any chance of pulling off a minority government.
19:40
Speaker 16: There's an outside chance. I think it would be very
19:43
Speaker 16: much an outside chance. Don't forget either. In Australia's history,
19:46
Speaker 16: we've only ever had one one term government, so we'd
19:50
Speaker 16: have to defy over one hundred years of tradition to
19:53
Speaker 16: do that. We have short cycles, and just with the
19:56
Speaker 16: way the polls have gone, the national mood will be
20:00
Speaker 16: somewhat important. It has firmed for labor.
20:04
Speaker 1: But here is the outlier, Steve, and.
20:06
Speaker 16: This is something that has been in focus within the
20:10
Speaker 16: coalition over the last week. There has been an enormous
20:13
Speaker 16: rise of people parking their votes with some of the
20:16
Speaker 16: minor parties in some seats where Labor is on the nose.
20:21
Speaker 16: You're seeing one nation recording double digit numbers. And this
20:25
Speaker 16: is where the national polls don't tend to get things
20:29
Speaker 16: right because they measure the two party preferred number based
20:35
Speaker 16: on preference flows from the last election, where you have
20:39
Speaker 16: much higher expected primary vote support for one nation. The Patriots,
20:46
Speaker 16: the Trumpet Patriots, the Libertarian Party, Family First Party, that
20:51
Speaker 16: is going to flow strongly back to the coalition, so
20:55
Speaker 16: it will push up their two PP vote to a
20:57
Speaker 16: point that a lot of these polls aren't measuring. The
21:01
Speaker 16: other thing is this a lot of the people that
21:03
Speaker 16: are parking their votes with the minor parties won't tell
21:06
Speaker 16: you how they get a preference, they won't take how
21:10
Speaker 16: to vote cards, but they've anecdotally been infuriated by the
21:16
Speaker 16: suggestion that Labor will bring back the voice and they're
21:21
Speaker 16: preferencing accordingly. So I expect to see a stronger vote
21:27
Speaker 16: come through on the two PP basis, particularly in some
21:30
Speaker 16: of those seats ringing out of metropolitan area's Central Coast,
21:36
Speaker 16: south Coast of New South Wales, some parts of Queensland,
21:40
Speaker 16: some parts of Way and the outer metro areas in Melbourne.
21:45
Speaker 16: So I think on the night it might be hard
21:47
Speaker 16: to get a minority Dutton government, but I think you
21:51
Speaker 16: might see the Albanese government deep in minority.
21:56
Speaker 2: You've been disappointed at some of the way that the
21:59
Speaker 2: Labor campaign has been run, where you get a prime
22:02
Speaker 2: minister or a treasurer or a senior minister coming out
22:05
Speaker 2: and basically telling untruth saying that Peter Dutton, if he
22:09
Speaker 2: were to win, would trash Medicare. I mean, he's clearly
22:12
Speaker 2: not going to do that, and they just repeat this
22:15
Speaker 2: over and over again. And they've used that six hundred
22:18
Speaker 2: billion dollar figure on the nuclear power plants which was
22:21
Speaker 2: cooked up by the Smart Energy Council or the Clean
22:25
Speaker 2: Energy Council.
22:26
Speaker 1: Have you been disappointed by that?
22:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mind a rigorous debate between policies,
22:32
Speaker 2: but how do you get away with untruths in political
22:36
Speaker 2: advertising and appearances?
22:38
Speaker 16: Well, this has been This medicare thing has been a
22:41
Speaker 16: feature of almost every campaign since the Phraser days, So
22:45
Speaker 16: I can't understand how people continue to fall for this.
22:50
Speaker 16: It disappoints me from the sense that it doesn't get
22:53
Speaker 16: called out by the gallery. I don't think the Coalition
22:55
Speaker 16: would get get away with it. If they tried, what
23:00
Speaker 16: is an outright lie in a campaign on medicare or
23:04
Speaker 16: you know, something to do with tax it just wouldn't fly.
23:07
Speaker 16: The other thing, though, is it is incumbent on the
23:10
Speaker 16: Coalition to push back stronger. And it did surprise me
23:13
Speaker 16: that they weren't prepared for this, and they didn't hit
23:17
Speaker 16: back harder throughout the campaign. So you know, you can
23:21
Speaker 16: derail a campaign by pointing to the fact that the
23:24
Speaker 16: Prime Minister has this little Medicare card just been completely
23:28
Speaker 16: and early wrong the whole way through, in the same
23:31
Speaker 16: way that he was wrong about two hundred and seventy
23:33
Speaker 16: five dollars coming off your power bill, which has hurt
23:36
Speaker 16: him over the course of the last election. So you know,
23:39
Speaker 16: everything's fair in love and war and in campaigns. But
23:42
Speaker 16: it does disappoint me that they've got away with this again.
23:46
Speaker 16: But it also surprises me the Coalition didn't hit back
23:49
Speaker 16: harder earlier.
23:53
Speaker 2: Good on your David, thanks for joining us. Enjoy election night.
23:55
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you shortly.
23:56
Speaker 1: Now.
23:56
Speaker 2: Let's bring in form a Queensland Premier Campbell Newman knows
23:59
Speaker 2: a bit about campaigning. Anthony Albanezi swooped into Peter Dutton's
24:04
Speaker 2: electric this morning, took the media bus with him. Exit
24:07
Speaker 2: polling shows that Peter Dutton is facing about it, but
24:10
Speaker 2: he always faces a battle in that seed. It's been
24:12
Speaker 2: marginal forever, Campbell. Great to see you, cheeky of the PM.
24:17
Speaker 2: I would have thought to turn up in Dixon this morning.
24:21
Speaker 14: Well there's a bit of cheek about it, Steve, but
24:24
Speaker 14: it's also a tactic, and the tactic is to sow
24:27
Speaker 14: the seeds of uncertainties in voters' minds across the nation
24:31
Speaker 14: about whether they should try and vote Peter Dutton's way,
24:36
Speaker 14: because what they're doing is they're trying to say, hey,
24:38
Speaker 14: this guy could lose. Now. I've had the same thing
24:41
Speaker 14: done to me when I was running as the leader
24:43
Speaker 14: of the Opposition outside PI Parliament back in twenty eleven twelve,
24:48
Speaker 14: and the Labor Party sawed with the mainstream media this
24:52
Speaker 14: line constantly, well what happens who becomes premier? If Newman,
24:56
Speaker 14: well if the LMP win, but Newman doesn't win Ashgar.
24:59
Speaker 5: So it's a tack technique.
25:00
Speaker 14: It's a tactic and it is designed to hurt the LNP,
25:05
Speaker 14: not just in Dixon but nationally. I think Peter Dutton
25:09
Speaker 14: has seen off pretty significant challenges in the past and
25:14
Speaker 14: you know, if you ask me to make a call here,
25:16
Speaker 14: I'd say, well, he'll see this off as well this time.
25:19
Speaker 14: But certainly they've had a red hot go out there.
25:23
Speaker 5: In his electorate.
25:26
Speaker 2: The voters of Australia are smart enough to not fall
25:29
Speaker 2: for the untruth that they keep getting pushed at them,
25:33
Speaker 2: like if the Coalition wins, they'll trash Medicicare and they'll
25:36
Speaker 2: shut down these critical care clinics that the Labor parties opened.
25:42
Speaker 2: I mean, none of that's going to happen. How do
25:45
Speaker 2: they get away with saying it?
25:49
Speaker 14: Well, well, sadly, I think it does work, and that's
25:51
Speaker 14: why the Labor Party do it, and I a party
25:54
Speaker 14: combine those sorts of outright lies with.
25:58
Speaker 5: Personal debt degradation of Peter Dutton.
26:03
Speaker 14: They did it to Toiney Abbott as well, and frankly
26:06
Speaker 14: they did it to me here in Queensland. And you
26:10
Speaker 14: know it's it's the old thing. You keep repeating the
26:12
Speaker 14: lie and the lie becomes becomes truth. And they have
26:16
Speaker 14: tried deliberately to paint Peter Dutton as being some awful
26:20
Speaker 14: human being.
26:20
Speaker 5: Of course he's not.
26:22
Speaker 14: So just reflecting what David Gazard was saying before the
26:27
Speaker 14: truble is with the Coalition is that they take this
26:31
Speaker 14: sucker punch stuff all the time and they really need
26:34
Speaker 14: to rev it up and take the gloves off in
26:37
Speaker 14: future campaigns and stop being stopped playing by the Marcus
26:41
Speaker 14: of Queensburry rules.
26:42
Speaker 5: I have his terrible image.
26:44
Speaker 14: It's you know, if you want, it's like Peter Dutton's
26:47
Speaker 14: in a back alley in Fortitude Valley being beaten up
26:51
Speaker 14: by a bunch of thugs who you know who got
26:54
Speaker 14: him in the on the ground and they're putting the
26:56
Speaker 14: bird in and he won't reach for the broken bottle
26:59
Speaker 14: in the guard and come back at five or six
27:02
Speaker 14: of them.
27:02
Speaker 5: How are you to him?
27:03
Speaker 14: I don't know if that imagery works for you, Steve,
27:05
Speaker 14: but that's the way until the last week they really
27:09
Speaker 14: had the proverbial kicked out of them.
27:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does work that image.
27:14
Speaker 2: I mean maybe Peter Dunton means it to be a
27:16
Speaker 2: little more like Nigel Farage from the Reform Party in
27:19
Speaker 2: the UK.
27:20
Speaker 1: Now. The reason I bring.
27:21
Speaker 2: Him up he's won a major by election to take
27:24
Speaker 2: what was a really safe labor seat, a place called
27:27
Speaker 2: Runcom and Hillsby.
27:29
Speaker 1: They've only won by six votes.
27:32
Speaker 2: The by election saw a seventeen percent swing toward Reform
27:37
Speaker 2: against the government. Here's Nigel Farage talking about that when
27:40
Speaker 2: he won.
27:41
Speaker 17: Winning is obviously fantastic, but just think about the swing,
27:44
Speaker 17: think about the change. This is heartland Labor Party. Their
27:48
Speaker 17: vote has collapsed. How much of it has come to us,
27:51
Speaker 17: and that does a weigh with the sort of media
27:53
Speaker 17: narrative that somehow it's just us versus the Conservatives.
27:56
Speaker 1: It's not. This is a whole different politics.
28:00
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to join in what's becoming a
28:02
Speaker 2: little bit of a pylon on Peter Dutton before we
28:04
Speaker 2: even have the result. But did he need to be
28:07
Speaker 2: a bit more of a conviction politician through this five
28:11
Speaker 2: week campaign than what he's been.
28:15
Speaker 14: Well, yes, but not just Peter. It's the whole of
28:18
Speaker 14: the coalition team. And just going back to what I
28:20
Speaker 14: was saying before, this is a separate issue. Before I
28:23
Speaker 14: was referring about the failure to come back hard against
28:26
Speaker 14: Labor's negativity and have head kickers out there going after
28:30
Speaker 14: Labor front benches and the PM.
28:33
Speaker 5: In terms of the vernacular street fight.
28:35
Speaker 14: But what Forage has done has been absolutely crystal clear
28:39
Speaker 14: about what he stands for and what he's against. Back
28:43
Speaker 14: at Australia Day this year, Peter Dutton had done that
28:47
Speaker 14: reasonably well, but it's evaporated during the course of the
28:51
Speaker 14: campaign and I've set it on your show in the
28:53
Speaker 14: last few weeks. The failure to take a strong stand
28:57
Speaker 14: on various totemic issues which are important to conservatives, has
29:02
Speaker 14: seen them blued votes their primary and the most recent
29:06
Speaker 14: news pil I was having a good look at has
29:08
Speaker 14: seen their primary go down by about I think it
29:12
Speaker 14: was about eight percent. And where has it gone. Well,
29:15
Speaker 14: six percent of it's gone to the One Nation Party
29:19
Speaker 14: and others, so it's bled there. The Labor Party only
29:23
Speaker 14: picked up an extra two percent on primary.
29:26
Speaker 5: This is the thing, you know.
29:27
Speaker 14: I'm in the Libertarian Party and parties like mine and
29:30
Speaker 14: the One Nation Party have been the beneficiaries of a
29:35
Speaker 14: failure from the Liberal National Party coalition to stand up
29:39
Speaker 14: for Liberal party values. You know, when have they talked
29:43
Speaker 14: about private enterprise and small business? Why do they have
29:47
Speaker 14: to say that the nuclear plan, which was courageous, was
29:50
Speaker 14: going to be funded by the taxpace? What about the
29:53
Speaker 14: private sector? All they had to do was say they'd
29:56
Speaker 14: repeal the band. These are just a few examples. And
29:59
Speaker 14: the me too stuff where okay, we will spend more
30:02
Speaker 14: on medicare, well we'll spend more on that.
30:05
Speaker 5: Like look, I'm not just saying it tonight. I have
30:10
Speaker 5: been saying it.
30:11
Speaker 1: No, you been saying it for a couple of weeks.
30:13
Speaker 5: You have been saying it, yeah and so and so.
30:15
Speaker 14: Hopefully, as David Gazzard says, though, hopefully those preferences will
30:20
Speaker 14: come back and assist the two party preferred. I'm not
30:25
Speaker 14: I'm not banking on it, but hopefully that is what happens.
30:30
Speaker 5: We see that tomorrow night.
30:33
Speaker 2: Well, I have an indication this time tomorrow night. It
30:35
Speaker 2: was great to catch up. I'll catch up with you
30:36
Speaker 2: next week, Campbell Newman there after the break. How is
30:39
Speaker 2: this election result going to impact on our economic decline?
30:42
Speaker 2: Plus the final week of the campaign in cartoons with
30:46
Speaker 2: our great mate Mark Knight. Welcome back Mark Knight's cartoons
30:52
Speaker 2: coming out. I can't wait to see what Mark did
30:54
Speaker 2: on the election this week. He's had some beauties joining
30:57
Speaker 2: us out now though. Is Adam Crichton, chief economist from
31:00
Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs and of course a fierce critic,
31:03
Speaker 2: as I read in The Australian Today in an excellent
31:06
Speaker 2: column Australia's drift into identity, politics and economic decline. In
31:11
Speaker 2: his latest column, Adam warns that Australia is losing its
31:14
Speaker 2: cultural confidence an economic edge. Great to have you in
31:18
Speaker 2: the studious it was a great column. Thank you you
31:22
Speaker 2: you just not that long ago returned from the United States,
31:24
Speaker 2: and you used your column to say that when you
31:26
Speaker 2: got back it was a very different Australia from when
31:29
Speaker 2: you left.
31:29
Speaker 11: Yes, certain, Well, look I've been back three months. I
31:32
Speaker 11: arrived in late January, and you know, I landed in
31:34
Speaker 11: a Quintus flight and I got the welcome to country
31:36
Speaker 11: or acknowledgement to country or whatever it's body called. And
31:39
Speaker 11: I was shocked, you know, I mean it was you know,
31:40
Speaker 11: six seven of my great grandparents were born in Australia
31:43
Speaker 11: and the other one in New Zealand. And I thought, well,
31:45
Speaker 11: I'm indigenous to Australia and this is my country. And
31:47
Speaker 11: I found it somewhat insulting. And then you know what
31:50
Speaker 11: triggered the column was the Anzac thing last week, the
31:52
Speaker 11: booing episode, and I thought, you know, that's right. I mean,
31:55
Speaker 11: I know that guy was a bit crazy that booed,
31:57
Speaker 11: and we shouldn't celebrate him. We shouldn't celebrate booing. But
31:59
Speaker 11: the general point is that it's not appropriate on Enzac day.
32:03
Speaker 11: And you know, I was somewhat disappointed with the opposition
32:05
Speaker 11: that they didn't come out on that day and say, look,
32:07
Speaker 11: this is not appropriate especially on Enzac Day.
32:09
Speaker 2: And I guess it's got more resonance because you've been
32:11
Speaker 2: in America, which doesn't have that confused identity they're Americans.
32:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
32:17
Speaker 11: Look, I mean, you know, I was there for the
32:19
Speaker 11: Biden administration and I never saw Joe Biden once stand
32:22
Speaker 11: in front of three flags, and I never heard one
32:24
Speaker 11: welcome to country. And theoretically you could do it welcome
32:27
Speaker 11: to country. In the US there's all the native tribes.
32:29
Speaker 11: It's the same theory. Never happened once. So I think
32:33
Speaker 11: Americans are a lot more patriotic. They understand even the
32:35
Speaker 11: Democrats understand the importance of national unity.
32:38
Speaker 1: But we've just lost the plot here.
32:39
Speaker 2: I think you also were surprised at the drop in
32:42
Speaker 2: living standards. I mean we've been through three years of
32:44
Speaker 2: a labor government. I mean we had two years of COVID,
32:47
Speaker 2: which everything post COVID was hard. COVID was hard, but
32:51
Speaker 2: it was hard after COVID. What surprised you about this
32:56
Speaker 2: living standards in Australia is it the price of general
32:59
Speaker 2: stuff was.
33:00
Speaker 11: Really stark for me be so I was paid in
33:01
Speaker 11: Australian dollars while I was in the US, and the
33:03
Speaker 11: currency crash from something like seventy eight cents to sixty
33:06
Speaker 11: two sets. What I was there for four years, it
33:07
Speaker 11: was just a steady declinent and to some extent the currency,
33:11
Speaker 11: you know, is an indicator of how the rest of
33:13
Speaker 11: the world sees your future as a country, and it's
33:15
Speaker 11: not a good mark for Australa at the moment. The
33:17
Speaker 11: resource boom is still going, but it's but it's petering out,
33:21
Speaker 11: but no one's really talking about what do we do next?
33:23
Speaker 11: You know, what's our comparative advantage next? And so coming back,
33:26
Speaker 11: you know, there's a huge decline in living standards, as
33:28
Speaker 11: you say, the worst in the OECD. In fact, it's
33:30
Speaker 11: something like ten percent fall in real net incomes. But
33:35
Speaker 11: this election campaign there's been really very little discussion of
33:37
Speaker 11: how do we fix that structurally? You know, Okay, the
33:40
Speaker 11: opposition saying, look, you know things have gone backwards, and
33:42
Speaker 11: they have, but what's there?
33:43
Speaker 2: You know what the election's suposed to be. But it's
33:44
Speaker 2: about the economy stupid.
33:46
Speaker 1: Well it's supposed to be.
33:47
Speaker 11: But if it was about the economy stupid, then the
33:49
Speaker 11: labor should be thrown out in a landslide. But seemingly
33:52
Speaker 11: they're not going to be and you know, it's very
33:54
Speaker 11: disappointing as a former Liberal staffer as I once was
33:56
Speaker 11: many years ago, that you know, the Liberal Party has
33:58
Speaker 11: not really offered a solid alternative.
34:01
Speaker 2: Alberanizi in the Press Club this week he called himself
34:03
Speaker 2: an economist, but wrongly then declared headline and underlying inflation
34:09
Speaker 2: of falling Chane Oliver gave it to him just because
34:11
Speaker 2: you've got an economics agree to make an economist does
34:14
Speaker 2: yes well?
34:14
Speaker 11: The idea of subject in frenchsh at university and I
34:16
Speaker 11: can't speak French. I think it's probably the same, you know,
34:18
Speaker 11: the same with Albow. He did a couple of economics
34:20
Speaker 11: units at the university.
34:21
Speaker 1: I think he was fined.
34:22
Speaker 11: Actually while he was there in the early nine and
34:24
Speaker 11: eighties for protesting the standardization of the curriculum. So you know,
34:29
Speaker 11: I mean, I think it's very funny he said he's
34:30
Speaker 11: an economist. You know, look at the economic outcomes of
34:34
Speaker 11: his government. They are literally the worst on record, you know,
34:36
Speaker 11: in generations. So you know, he doesn't understand economics properly
34:42
Speaker 11: in my view, and it's sad, I think seemingly that
34:44
Speaker 11: he's going to be relected, but that said. The opposition,
34:47
Speaker 11: as I just said, is not really often run a
34:48
Speaker 11: bad campaign, extremely bad campaign. I mean there was the
34:51
Speaker 11: welcome to country thing I mentioned earlier. They should have
34:53
Speaker 11: jumped on that, and they should have released the defense
34:55
Speaker 11: policy much earlier. I mean people had already started voting
34:58
Speaker 11: I think hundreds of thousands of people before they even
35:00
Speaker 11: released that policy.
35:03
Speaker 1: But they have to have the courage of.
35:04
Speaker 11: Their convictions, I think on the conservative side, I mean
35:06
Speaker 11: they couldn't even promise to stop bracker creep. I mean
35:09
Speaker 11: that's what most mature countries do, but not US.
35:13
Speaker 1: So Look, if they lose, I think it will be
35:15
Speaker 1: somewhat deserved and they need a new leader who's got
35:18
Speaker 1: more conviction.
35:19
Speaker 5: Well, look, I really like Peter Dutton.
35:20
Speaker 1: He's a very good man.
35:23
Speaker 11: That look, I think we have to wait and see
35:24
Speaker 11: the result before we start talking about that.
35:26
Speaker 2: Adam, I'll see your columns in Australia. Thanks for coming
35:29
Speaker 2: in to see us, Adam Crichton there now coming up.
35:31
Speaker 2: As I said, election campaigns are like Christmas for political cartoonists.
35:36
Speaker 2: Johannahs Leak in The Australia Today had the Ghost of
35:40
Speaker 2: the Voice chaseeing the Prime Minister down the road, not
35:44
Speaker 2: done by our favorite cartoonists. Mark Night, our regular on
35:48
Speaker 2: a Friday with us, has been in Red Hot form
35:51
Speaker 2: for the past five weeks and joins us now. Johannahs
35:55
Speaker 2: was pretty in good form today as well.
35:56
Speaker 18: Mark, Oh, that was a ripper. Always come back to haunts,
36:03
Speaker 18: great stuff.
36:05
Speaker 1: It was a beauty. It was a beauty.
36:06
Speaker 2: You've been in Red Hot form as well. I just
36:09
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you who you who do you like
36:12
Speaker 2: drawing more Dutton or Elbow.
36:16
Speaker 18: Look, I think they're both pretty good. They developed Dunton.
36:20
Speaker 18: You know, cartoonists were very cruel.
36:23
Speaker 12: To mister Dutton.
36:25
Speaker 18: But you know, the more you draw him, the more
36:29
Speaker 18: you find in his face. Because his face looks very plain.
36:32
Speaker 18: You know, he doesn't have any hair. He had to
36:34
Speaker 18: stick some glasses on to give us something to look at.
36:39
Speaker 18: But I've been really interested in investigating his face and
36:44
Speaker 18: the lips and the various I mean, they say he
36:47
Speaker 18: only has one expressions, but I find he can do
36:51
Speaker 18: a lot with his face.
36:52
Speaker 12: I don't mind.
36:52
Speaker 2: Him if Albo wins. I want to see Toto get
36:57
Speaker 2: a run somewhere. Now, let's have a look at this car.
37:00
Speaker 2: So you do this week about the labor train wreck,
37:02
Speaker 2: which I thought was an absolute ripper. Explain this cartoon
37:06
Speaker 2: to me. What are we looking out here?
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Speaker 18: Well, this is that if Elbow is going to stand
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Speaker 18: on his record, boy, I don't wish. I don't think
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Speaker 18: he's going to go over because if we look at
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Speaker 18: the failure of the voice, the failure of cost of living,
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Speaker 18: the cheaper power bills we were promised has been a disaster,
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Speaker 18: Green hydrogen the question.
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Speaker 12: You know, we were going to be better off under Elbow.
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Speaker 18: And during the campaign Albanezi would say, you can't vote
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Speaker 18: for Dard look at all the mistakes he's making on
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Speaker 18: the campaign.
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Speaker 12: You know, all those little slip ups and things.
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Speaker 18: Well, i'll tell you what, there's been a few slip
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Speaker 18: ups over the last three years by mister Albanisi.
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Speaker 2: We've got to be careful here because Clyde Palmer has
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Speaker 2: been paying yours and my wages for the last five weeks.
37:55
Speaker 2: You had a crack at Clive during the week. You
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Speaker 2: must enjoy drawing Clive. What's live up to here?
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Speaker 12: To draw Clive?
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Speaker 18: Because he's just been texting me for the last three
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Speaker 18: weeks constantly, you know, Mark, please drawing me in.
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Speaker 12: A cartoon I obliged him. And you know, as I.
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Speaker 18: Was drawing this cartoon of Clive texting the nation constantly,
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Speaker 18: my phone was dinging constantly. But the thing I find
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Speaker 18: amazing is how does he text on these little mobile
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Speaker 18: phones with those sausage fingers of yours?
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Speaker 1: Have you done?
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Speaker 2: Have you done a cartoon for tomorrow in the lead
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Speaker 2: up to the election?
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Speaker 1: Done?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 18: Well my cartoon tomorrow is about about this time tomorrow
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Speaker 18: Price the Labor Party will be letting just enter Price
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Speaker 18: out of the cupboard underneath the stairs. So the Victorian
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Speaker 18: Premier will be let out of hiding.
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Speaker 1: I think she will.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, we haven't seen anything of just to Mark Great
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Speaker 2: this week. I look forward to seeing your cartoons tomorrow
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Speaker 2: on Mike Columan in the Herald so across the weekend.
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Speaker 1: That's Mark Knight there. What a brilliant cartoonist he is.
39:03
Speaker 2: Now after the break, the panel joins me to analyze
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Speaker 2: the campaign and give their final predictions. Welcome back to
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Speaker 2: Suprice with you don't forget a course. Sky's coverage of
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Speaker 2: the election starting at five o'clock Eastern time tomorrow night,
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Speaker 2: great coverage. Tom Connell will do the numbers for you.
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Speaker 2: Keran Gilberts in the host Chairpitter Kredline will be there.
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Speaker 2: I think my mate Ross Greenwood's in one of the
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Speaker 2: seats in Western Sydney, so it.
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Speaker 1: Will be great coverage.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in the panel Small Business Women in Australia
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Speaker 2: CEO Amanda Rose and Skynews contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Well, this is it. It's time.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow we'll be almost an hour into counting on the
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Speaker 2: East Coast. We probably won't know much at that time.
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Speaker 2: But Joe, do we believe these polls? I mean, sure,
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Speaker 2: you hope they're right.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean I'm both hoping things are right and
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Speaker 19: believing what you want to believe is absolute suicide in politics.
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Speaker 19: So you've got to almost read against the grain and think, right,
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Speaker 19: what if all my hopes or expectations are wrong? What
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Speaker 19: if there's something happening in this pole that I'm not
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Speaker 19: seeing and I just can't I can't punch a hole
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Speaker 19: in it. All the poles are saying pretty much the
40:12
Speaker 19: same thing. News pole will be out tomorrow. It will
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Speaker 19: be very interesting to see what that says. But I'm
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Speaker 19: guessing I'm thinking that it will be okay for Anthony
40:23
Speaker 19: Albanesi and Labor Redbridge has got them at fifty three percent.
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Speaker 19: YouGov has the same. I mean it just goes on
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Speaker 19: and on and again. The tracking polling that we look
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Speaker 19: at for a news Court that we've been doing, the
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Speaker 19: marginal seats that did favor the coalition enormously in February,
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Speaker 19: and yet that same pole, with that same methodology is
40:44
Speaker 19: now favoring Anthony Albanesi by even more in the opposite direction.
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Speaker 19: So I think a swing is on. I think the
40:51
Speaker 19: government will do well, and I think it is possible
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Speaker 19: that it could be very very bad for the coalition.
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Speaker 1: But wis justly Amanda.
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Speaker 2: I mean, given how bad the econ me is, I
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Speaker 2: mean it quite incredible that this is going to happen tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Honesty in politics. Now, you're someone who is involved with
41:07
Speaker 2: small business, and you know we all like people when
41:10
Speaker 2: they talk to us to be honest with someone don't
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Speaker 2: know rang me this morning. They used to work in
41:14
Speaker 2: the medical field, and he said, how can the Prime
41:16
Speaker 2: Minister keep getting away with lying about only needing a
41:20
Speaker 2: Medicare card to go and see a doctor. We all
41:22
Speaker 2: know that's not true, but he keeps saying it. So
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Speaker 2: what's happened to truth in politics here?
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Speaker 10: What happened is that it doesn't exist when you talk
41:32
Speaker 10: about federal labor. This is their go to is just
41:35
Speaker 10: to tell people what they want to hear in order
41:39
Speaker 10: to get their vote. And when it comes to health,
41:41
Speaker 10: I actually think it's appalling to promise people and say
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Speaker 10: we can guarantee you go to the doctor and get
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Speaker 10: bulk billing, when it's actually up to the actual doctor
41:52
Speaker 10: itself to make that decision. But there's actually no law
41:55
Speaker 10: against it, so they can lie and say whatever they
41:58
Speaker 10: want and they will not be held to account. So
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Speaker 10: it's up to the individual, regardless of which side of
42:04
Speaker 10: politics is saying what they're saying, to question it. And
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Speaker 10: you always have to look at previous behaviors. They lied
42:11
Speaker 10: about their energy cost beforehand. They literally haven't built a
42:15
Speaker 10: single house, and they promised that they would, you know,
42:17
Speaker 10: to fix the housing prices. But the reason why they're
42:20
Speaker 10: getting more traction and the coalition is not because they've
42:23
Speaker 10: got better policies. It is because they've been very clear
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Speaker 10: and pretty much lockstep as a team of just pushing
42:30
Speaker 10: their agenda. Even though most of it's lying, they still
42:33
Speaker 10: push with it. Whether the coalition, even though they've got integrity,
42:37
Speaker 10: their policies or all over the shop, and they weren't
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Speaker 10: listening to the people telling them what they needed.
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Speaker 2: And many have you heard the two words small business
42:46
Speaker 2: mentioned by anyone in labor.
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Speaker 10: In labor no, so they have said it a few
42:52
Speaker 10: times when they're talking on stage, because you know they
42:55
Speaker 10: had to go read it. You know, please mention small
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Speaker 10: business because we can't look like we hate them. But
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Speaker 10: if you look at their legislation, if you look at
43:02
Speaker 10: every single piece of policy that they do, they don't
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Speaker 10: include small business at all. In procurement, they don't consider them.
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Speaker 10: Even the big associations have talked about small business, they
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Speaker 10: ignore them. And the reality is Labor don't want small
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Speaker 10: businesses to thrive. They're friends with big business, the unions
43:21
Speaker 10: and everyone else can be on welfare. They do not
43:23
Speaker 10: care about the family business, the small business where you
43:27
Speaker 10: put in the effort, you get the reward. They've pretty
43:29
Speaker 10: much regulated legislated them out.
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Speaker 2: Joe, here's the hardest question I've ever asked. You explain
43:38
Speaker 2: Clyde Palmer.
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Speaker 19: A man with too much money and not enough sense.
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Speaker 7: He can't say anything.
43:48
Speaker 19: Yet Clyde Palmer is my benefactor, he's my lord and savior.
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Speaker 19: He is paying for the jobs of pretty much everyone
43:54
Speaker 19: in the media industry. But again it doesn't win him
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Speaker 19: many votes. This is the thing, and this is why
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Speaker 19: I do love this country and I love Australia. Just
44:02
Speaker 19: because you bombard people with ads or text messages, it
44:06
Speaker 19: doesn't mean that you're actually buying their hearts and minds.
44:08
Speaker 19: And the latest figures I saw for Trumpet of patriots,
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Speaker 19: I think they're on like two percent. There was a
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Speaker 19: time when they did a big ad blitz and at
44:16
Speaker 19: the same time they went down from two to one
44:18
Speaker 19: percent in one poll I saw. I mean, this is
44:21
Speaker 19: it's not going to make any real difference except maybe
44:23
Speaker 19: steal a few votes from the coalition or indeed one nation,
44:28
Speaker 19: but again a handful, and I don't think it'll influence
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Speaker 19: the outcome at all. But please keep spending, keep spending.
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Speaker 19: We need the money.
44:35
Speaker 1: I want to talk energy policy.
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Speaker 2: This was Energy Minister Crispoone yesterday talking the sky about
44:41
Speaker 2: the possibility of Australia facing a similar blackout like we
44:44
Speaker 2: saw in Spain and Portugal. Have listened to the minister.
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Speaker 14: Do you think the mass blackouts in Spain and Portugal.
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Speaker 9: Prove the risk in relying on mainly renewable energy.
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Speaker 20: I mean, I'm sure the Spanish and Portuguese authorities will
44:57
Speaker 20: provide a full update on what's gone wrong there. Obviously,
45:01
Speaker 20: every system when it's undergoing change has to very carefully
45:04
Speaker 20: calibrate it changes. That's what we're doing in Australia. Hasn't
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Speaker 20: been a blackout coursed in Australia by lack of energy
45:09
Speaker 20: in our time in office.
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Speaker 1: Iman.
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Speaker 2: The other amazing thing for me in this election campaign,
45:15
Speaker 2: the nuclear scare by Labor seems to have worked.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it has.
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Speaker 10: They're very good at that scare campaigns is the Labour's
45:22
Speaker 10: forte along with Lye. And the thing is what people
45:26
Speaker 10: should be concerned about is when you're asking about blackouts, right,
45:30
Speaker 10: who's the impact and imbat's families. It impacts the vulnerable community,
45:34
Speaker 10: the elderly, people with disabilities, small businesses. So when you
45:38
Speaker 10: ask a question like that that seemed very dismissive, it
45:41
Speaker 10: needs to be. We can guarantee that there won't be
45:44
Speaker 10: any blackouts because Labor have pretty much told the entire
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Speaker 10: country that their energy policy is the best possible policy.
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Speaker 1: And you have to choose.
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Speaker 10: Their right and that everything the coalition does is wrong,
45:57
Speaker 10: it's dangerous, it's cost too much and it won't work.
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Speaker 10: But then if that's the case, why can't Labor guarantee
46:02
Speaker 10: that we will not have a blackout because if we do,
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Speaker 10: it's going to hurt the most vulnerable in society.
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Speaker 2: Joe, speaking of energy, still labors Dan reper Coli. He's
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Speaker 2: an imposing figure member for Bally. He was talking with
46:17
Speaker 2: Sky today about his life as a coal miner and
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Speaker 2: the importance of coal to the Hunter Valley.
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Speaker 1: Have I listened to Dan.
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Speaker 21: As you said just then, I'm a former coal miner.
46:27
Speaker 21: I will always back coal mining and whilst people want
46:30
Speaker 21: to buy our coal, we'll always sell them o coal.
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Speaker 21: We only use seven percent of our own coal in
46:34
Speaker 21: this country. Ninety three percent of it is exports straight
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Speaker 21: out of the largest coal port in the world, which
46:39
Speaker 21: is Newcastle Port. So while people to buy our coal,
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Speaker 21: we'll alway supply the mat coal that creates good, safe,
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Speaker 21: secure employment and that's what we need in this area
46:46
Speaker 21: and we'll continue to do that while there is a
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Speaker 21: demand for it.
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Speaker 2: Joe, help me out here. We only use seven percent
46:53
Speaker 2: of the coal we mind ourselves. We send ninety three
46:56
Speaker 2: percent overseas. We're quite happy for India and China and
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Speaker 2: Japan and everywhere else that we send it to to
47:03
Speaker 2: burn coal, But we're going to wreck our own economy
47:06
Speaker 2: in a dash to net zero and not burn it here.
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Speaker 2: How does that make any sense?
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Speaker 19: Well, the argument is that if people are going to
47:14
Speaker 19: buy coal, like in India or China, they are going
47:17
Speaker 19: to buy coal, and they might as well buy it
47:19
Speaker 19: from us so that we can reap the economic benefit
47:21
Speaker 19: of that. And I support that one hundred percent. And
47:24
Speaker 19: if they were buying it from elsewhere, say Brazil is
47:26
Speaker 19: another on their their coal isn't as good quality as ours,
47:29
Speaker 19: so it actually burns off more CO two.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 19: Actually better, it's better for the environment, and it is
47:37
Speaker 19: better for us for us to be better.
47:39
Speaker 10: For the environment to shift it to a notedge for
47:42
Speaker 10: to burn.
47:44
Speaker 1: But we've got all this beautifuls.
47:47
Speaker 19: Got all the windshinness.
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Speaker 2: Sake, Okay, thermal Amanda, what do you think is going
47:52
Speaker 2: to happen tomorrow?
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Speaker 10: Well, if labor win, we're going to have the hardest
47:58
Speaker 10: three years that we've ever experience in our life.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm.
48:01
Speaker 10: Preparing for.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a grim prediction to send us off to
48:07
Speaker 2: election day, Joe Labor.
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Speaker 1: Can they win a majority?
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Speaker 19: Yes, they can, and I believe they will, and that
48:14
Speaker 19: should be good news for everyone because it means we
48:16
Speaker 19: won't have that annoying Pets and Greens hanging around. But
48:20
Speaker 19: no idea would have been done with them anyway, So
48:21
Speaker 19: it's a moot point because they're going to support Peter Dunt't.
48:23
Speaker 19: But I think LABEL will win with a majority, and
48:25
Speaker 19: if it gathers my menum, I sense a bit of
48:27
Speaker 19: a swingers on it could end up looking really ugly
48:30
Speaker 19: for the coalition, but we'll see, well, we'll.
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Speaker 1: Wait and see.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Joe, Amanda, thank you for help during
48:36
Speaker 2: the last five weeks. We will come back next Friday
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Speaker 2: and talk about stuff other than politics. Well, the coverage
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Speaker 2: tomorrow is going to be sensational on Sky. Stick around
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Speaker 2: and stick around now because up next the world, according
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Speaker 2: to Roundin