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BIG WIN FOR RICH KID WHO MOWS DOWN 4 PEPPERDINE SORORITY SISTERS: RPT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Four gorgeous co eds dead. Why,
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Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, because Fraser Bomb mowed them down, mowed
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Speaker 1: them down on the side of the road. Now Bomb
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Speaker 1: pled not guilty to four counts of second degree murder
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Speaker 1: and four counts of vehicular homicide with gross negligence. Now
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Speaker 1: the lawyers are also arguing that it's all the state's fault.
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Speaker 1: But in the last days, a major defeat for the
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Speaker 1: state for the crime victims. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Many people call drunk driving or vehicular homicides an accident.
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Speaker 1: It is no accident. It is a willing decision to drink,
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Speaker 1: order the next drink, and the next and the next.
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Speaker 1: Then get your keys, walk to your car, turn the ignition,
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Speaker 1: reverse drive, and go out onto the highway. Those are
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Speaker 1: multiple decisions made with intent, and that is what is
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Speaker 1: required under the law for an intentional murder. Intent. As
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Speaker 1: all of you legal eagles know, intent to commit a
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Speaker 1: crime can be formed in the blink of an eye,
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Speaker 1: a twinkling of a moment. As I always tell jury's
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Speaker 1: in the time it takes to raise a gun and
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Speaker 1: pull the trigger. That's time to form intent. It does
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Speaker 1: not require a long drawn out plant, such as poisoning
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Speaker 1: someone bit by bit, over weeks and months until they
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Speaker 1: kill over dead. No, that is not the legal definition
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Speaker 1: of intent. That may be the street definition, the street vernacular,
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Speaker 1: but not under the law. In the last days, Fraser
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Speaker 1: Bomb has a big win in the Pepperdine murder trial.
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Speaker 1: A judge orders prosecutors to hand over his phone that
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Speaker 1: he refused to unlock for police, even though prosecutors fear
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Speaker 1: rightly that he could tamper with that phone. Fyibomb, we
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Speaker 1: can find out what you delete. Okay, remember Alex Murdog.
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Speaker 1: Let that be a lesson to you. First of all,
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Speaker 1: what happened when these four co eds were mowed down dead?
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Speaker 2: Four beautiful young college sorority girls in their early twenties
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Speaker 2: with bright futures set out for a fun night in Malibu,
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Speaker 2: but in a shocking turn of events, that evening soon
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Speaker 2: became a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight in addition to an all star panel,
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Speaker 1: are two dear friends of the victims. But first listen
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Speaker 1: to this.
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Speaker 3: These four females.
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Speaker 4: Were pronounced dead. I see Bi Alpha Fi sisters arrived
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Speaker 4: at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting outside when a
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Speaker 4: red BMW speeding down the PCH going at least one
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Speaker 4: hundred miles per hour suddenly swerves from the road and
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Speaker 4: slams into parked cars. Partygoers scream as the parked cars
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Speaker 4: are shoved into Nave, Peyton, Asha, and Deslin, while bystanders
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Speaker 4: call nine to one one and attend to two others
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Speaker 4: injured in the crash. The BMW's driver gets out, stumbling
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Speaker 4: away from the mangled cars.
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Speaker 1: So don't bother telling me he was too out of
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Speaker 1: it or injured to know what he is doing under
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Speaker 1: the law that is called flight. I'm sure a veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, Brian Claypool will argue with me about that.
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Speaker 1: What you heard earlier was from our friends at Malibu Times.
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Speaker 1: Four beautiful co eds in the prime of their lives,
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Speaker 1: standing there minding their own business, are mowed down at
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Speaker 1: spades off one one hundred and four mph in a
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Speaker 1: residential area. Now we'll a rich brat manage to escape justice,
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Speaker 1: having just hired a controversial defense attorney that helped Karen
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Speaker 1: Read get an acquittal. Again with me an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to two very special guests.
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Speaker 1: Bridget Thompson, roommate and bestie with the Pepperdine crash victims,
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Speaker 1: and Coco Crandall, also roommate and best friend of the
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Speaker 1: crash victims. You know, to Coco Crandall, I don't call
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Speaker 1: it an accident because when you put your foot to
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Speaker 1: the pedal and exceed one hundred and four mph, that's
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Speaker 1: no accident. This is a crash. Tell me what you know, Coco,
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Speaker 1: about the night of the deadly crash. It stole your
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Speaker 1: friends from you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I remember getting a call that night saying, you know,
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Speaker 5: don't freak out, there's been an accident and we think
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Speaker 5: it was Ash's car. So I immediately drove down there.
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Speaker 5: I was like, they have no family, all their families
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Speaker 5: out of out of state, you know, they need someone in.
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Speaker 5: Bridget met me at me and Bridge met at the
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Speaker 5: scene or as close to the scene as we could get.
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Speaker 5: But we just sat on the curb all night, not
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Speaker 5: really knowing what was going on. But then you know,
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Speaker 5: news broken. Once we hadn't heard from them for a
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Speaker 5: couple hours. Because we were always in contact with our friends,
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Speaker 5: we knew that that something was wrong.
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Speaker 1: I'm just imagining you, Coco crandall sitting there on the curb.
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Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you, I've been to so
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Speaker 1: many crime sayings and saying family and loved ones and
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Speaker 1: best friends like you literally sitting on a curb because
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Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go, there's nowhere to sit, and you
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Speaker 1: just sit there, are kind of suspended in time and space,
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Speaker 1: just waiting. It's like everything comes to a standstill, everything
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Speaker 1: seems to stop and are just waiting, waiting to hear something,
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Speaker 1: to know something, to find out something. Bridget Thompson also
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Speaker 1: with US roommate and bestie of the crash victims. Bridget,
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Speaker 1: what do you recall about that night?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, I actually was supposed to be with
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Speaker 6: them that night. I had cheer practice that night and
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Speaker 6: ended running a little late, so I texted them and
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Speaker 6: let them know that I'll just meet them there. And
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Speaker 6: as I was on my way, I got a call
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Speaker 6: as well, and it was kind of the same, along
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Speaker 6: the same lines as Coco, and just thought there was
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Speaker 6: an accident and the girls aren't answering. I tried calling
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Speaker 6: all of them, but none of them answered, and like
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Speaker 6: Coco said, I went over to the scene and tried
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Speaker 6: to do whatever I could, but at that point it
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Speaker 6: was just such a helpless.
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Speaker 1: Feeling, Bridget. When you got to the scene, what did
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Speaker 1: you observe?
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Speaker 6: Well, we couldn't get passed, like the police officer that
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Speaker 6: was blocking us off, So really it was just a
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Speaker 6: bunch of stopped cars and a police officer standing there,
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Speaker 6: and then in the distance we saw a bunch of
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Speaker 6: sirens ambulances, but nothing other than that.
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Speaker 1: Did anyone or could anyone tell you what had happened?
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Speaker 6: Not directly. There was things coming out in the news
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Speaker 6: because there was quite a bit of news coverage on it,
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Speaker 6: and that's kind of how we found out our information.
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Speaker 6: We heard there was four dead, six involved, so we
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Speaker 6: were praying that hopefully we only lost two of our
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Speaker 6: friends with that math, but unfortunately that just wasn't the case.
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Speaker 1: Bridget. Did you try and question the police or try
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Speaker 1: and ask anyone any questions?
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Speaker 6: We definitely did, but we knew that there wasn't really
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Speaker 6: information that they could give us.
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Speaker 1: What did you do? Who did you try to speak to?
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Speaker 1: What time of the night was.
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Speaker 6: This The crash occurred at eight thirty pm. We were
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Speaker 6: trying to speak to just the police officer standing blocking
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Speaker 6: off the scene, and then we were calling hospitals all
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Speaker 6: night trying to see if we could locate them anywhere,
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Speaker 6: because at this point we didn't know that they had
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Speaker 6: died at the scene and a hospital just wasn't necessary.
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Speaker 1: Coco Crandall also joining us in addition to Bridget Thompson
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Speaker 1: co Co. Were you there sitting on the curb waiting
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Speaker 1: for answers as well?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so Bridget and I'm happy to get there
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Speaker 5: around the same time, and we both were pleading to
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Speaker 5: the officer to let us through, to give us any
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Speaker 5: insight on what was going on, and we're like, we know,
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Speaker 5: those are our friends in the scene, we can track them.
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Speaker 3: We see they're not quite.
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Speaker 5: At the party, and yeah, like Bridget said, they couldn't
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Speaker 5: really give us any answers. So we just sat there
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Speaker 5: for hours, you know, calling hospitals and asking if they
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Speaker 5: had our friends tracking them and probably, I mean, like
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Speaker 5: Bridget said, I don't know if I even fully remember
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Speaker 5: a time, but I think it was around one pm
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Speaker 5: or one am, and then we went back to Pepperdine's
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Speaker 5: campus up until you know, six am the next morning,
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Speaker 5: when more information was released.
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Speaker 1: Who told the girls' parents.
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Speaker 5: Originally the school was the one to break it to them.
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Speaker 5: But the parents, I mean, you know, mothers know when
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Speaker 5: something's wrong, and so a lot of the parents were
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Speaker 5: also calling and just saying, hey, you know what's going on,
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Speaker 5: where's my do you know where my daughter is whatever?
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Speaker 5: But the court it took a while for the corner
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Speaker 5: to confirm what had happened. So we'll count officially, you know,
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Speaker 5: tell the parents right away because I had to wait
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Speaker 5: for the officials to confirm it.
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Speaker 1: Bridget, When did you first see or speak with the
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Speaker 1: girl's parents.
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Speaker 6: I was in touch with some of them over the
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Speaker 6: phone the next day. So early in the morning on
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Speaker 6: October eighteenth, I someone came up to my room and said, Nieves,
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Speaker 6: parents are downstairs. They want to talk to you. And
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Speaker 6: I just broke down because that was like a realization
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Speaker 6: to me.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, I cannot even imagine going down and
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Speaker 1: trying to speak to the parents. And the parents were
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Speaker 1: there in the apartment, the place that you guys shared.
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Speaker 6: No, I didn't go back to that immediately, never went
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Speaker 6: back to that apartment. I briefly said bye, But they
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Speaker 6: had us in a hotel room on campus.
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Speaker 1: When you first saw the parents what happened.
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Speaker 3: It was hard.
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Speaker 6: They were obviously a mess beside themselves. They were unclear
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Speaker 6: of what had happened exactly. So I tried to give
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Speaker 6: them all the information that I knew, but it was
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Speaker 6: a situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It was
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Speaker 6: really really heartbreaking.
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Speaker 3: What do you recall, Yeah, I, like Bridget, I'd remember
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Speaker 3: the parents coming up. They came so fast.
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Speaker 5: And I remember when Ash's parents came because they had
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Speaker 5: flew from the East Coast in There was just so
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Speaker 5: much sadness and grief and heaviness all around. And I
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Speaker 5: just remember walking outside the hotel and meeting her in
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Speaker 5: the parking lot and we just held each other and cried,
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Speaker 5: and I remember seeing her brothers and there was just.
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Speaker 3: A lot of tears shed.
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Speaker 5: And eventually we got to kind of all sit in
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Speaker 5: a room together with you know, all the parents and
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Speaker 5: Bridget and I and some of our close friends as well,
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Speaker 5: and we tried to just you know, tell their parents
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Speaker 5: all amazing memories that we've had with them at school
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Speaker 5: and how wonderful they are, and just share, you know,
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Speaker 5: more about our there, how Malibu was a happy place
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Speaker 5: for them.
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Speaker 1: It's just reminding me so much of when my fiance
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Speaker 1: was merged. When you're trying to in those first hours
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Speaker 1: and days after, it doesn't seem real. Your head knows
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Speaker 1: it's real, but the rest of you doesn't know it's real,
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Speaker 1: And you're like remembering events together, are things you did together.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's some sort of comfort or
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Speaker 1: solace to your mind as you try to absorb what
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Speaker 1: has happened. Bridget You stated you did not go back
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Speaker 1: to the apartment.
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Speaker 6: Why, Oh, I just couldn't. I mean when I left there,
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Speaker 6: I could still picture them right now, they were all
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Speaker 6: sitting on the couch. We were laughing, giggling. I told
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Speaker 6: them I would see them after cheer practice. And we
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Speaker 6: had so many amazing memories in that apartment. I mean,
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Speaker 6: we spent every second together. So I couldn't imagine going
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Speaker 6: back without them. It was and when I did, just
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Speaker 6: because I felt like I needed that for my closure.
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Speaker 6: When I walked in our apartment, it was clear that
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Speaker 6: they were meant to come back. It was clear they
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Speaker 6: had their pajamas set all on their bed, their lights
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Speaker 6: still on. They were meant to come back.
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Speaker 7: I just.
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Speaker 6: It was truly heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: Then I you are at the crash scene. Girls, did
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Speaker 1: you see the descendant?
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Speaker 6: No, we did not.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A judge orders prosecutors to
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Speaker 1: hand over a cell phone belonging to an accused killer,
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Speaker 1: the BMW driver Fraser Bomb, accused of mowing down four
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Speaker 1: coits and a horrific crash on Malibu's Pacific Coast Highway.
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Speaker 1: Now at the time of the arrest, cop sees the
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Speaker 1: phone after Baum twenty four refused spoil. Brat refused to
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Speaker 1: give them the passcode and unlock it. Niam Ralston aged twenty,
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Speaker 1: Asha Ware twenty one, Peyton Stewart twenty one, Deslin Williams
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Speaker 1: twenty one, all dead. Prosecutors have been unable to get
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Speaker 1: any information practically known from the phone because they didn't
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Speaker 1: have the passcode. They refused to return it, claiming Bomb
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Speaker 1: could modify, alter, or delete the data on the phone.
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Speaker 1: Of course he can well. The judge ordered it back
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Speaker 1: to him. Anyway. The thought of what those four girls
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Speaker 1: and their families went through and are going through is
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Speaker 1: pure h e double l. Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave
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Speaker 1: mac who is the defendant.
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Speaker 8: His name is Frasier Baum. He is a twenty three
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Speaker 8: year old, rich kid growing up in privilege in Malibu
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Speaker 8: and an eight pointy seven million dollar seaside mansion. He
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Speaker 8: was driving his eighteenth birthday president of BMW, and he
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Speaker 8: is a former athlete, was a pitcher in high school
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Speaker 8: and pretty privileged young man.
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Speaker 1: Anthy, why do you say that, I'm looking at a
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Speaker 1: pature of him and apparently a shirtless selfie. Can we
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Speaker 1: circle back to that place? And he's got rings on
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Speaker 1: every finger, he's dripping in silver jewelry. What did you
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Speaker 1: say about a seven million dollar what?
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Speaker 8: An eight point seven million dollar seaside mansion with a
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Speaker 8: view of the Pacific Ocean, a beautiful view of the
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Speaker 8: Pacific Ocean actually, and by the way, also a seven
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Speaker 8: hundred thousand dollars vacation place out near Palm Springs.
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Speaker 9: In this particular incident, we lost four young people with
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Speaker 9: a complete life ahead of them for really no reason
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Speaker 9: other than complete and reckless this regard for the life
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Speaker 9: of others. So Neam Rolston, Peyton Store, Dissline Williams, and
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Speaker 9: Asha Ware were seniors at Pepperdine and they were mining
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Speaker 9: their own business, just being in the neighborhood where their
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Speaker 9: school is and they lost their life unnecessarily.
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Speaker 4: Between two and a half to four and a half
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Speaker 4: seconds prior to the collision, the defendant's.
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Speaker 10: Vehicle was at a sheet of one hundred and.
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Speaker 1: Four miles an hour KTLA five.
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Speaker 2: Loved by all who knew them, the four young women
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Speaker 2: were more than best friends. They were sisters, bonded through
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Speaker 2: Pepperdine's Alpha Fee. While they were planning a glamorous night out,
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Speaker 2: one young Malibu man would change the course of their night.
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Speaker 1: Exactly what happened the night that these girls were mowed
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Speaker 1: down dead by a BMW traveling at rates of that
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Speaker 1: we know of one hundred and four mph. They're standing
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road. They are not in
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Speaker 1: the road waiting to enter a college party. Now they're dead.
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Speaker 1: Four gorgeous, young, innocent, beautiful girls. They're gone. Name Peyton
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Speaker 1: Asha doesn't gone tonight. We're analyzing why, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying gone, Let me say it correctly, Why they're dead.
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Speaker 1: They're dead, and don't you know their parents are wondering
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Speaker 1: the same thing. You just met. Two of their best
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Speaker 1: friends that they lived with. It could have been them too.
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Speaker 1: It didn't matter who was standing there. It didn't matter
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Speaker 1: how young or innocent, or vivationous, or how scrubbed and
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Speaker 1: sunshine they were. It didn't matter to the defendant, who
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Speaker 1: was driving his brand new BMW given to him by
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Speaker 1: Mommy and Daddy at least one hundred and four mph.
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Speaker 9: On October seventeenth, fed a round a thirty PM. Mister
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Speaker 9: Bond was allegedly speeding up speeding at the spece of
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Speaker 9: one hundred and four miles an hour on a forty
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Speaker 9: five mile an hour zone on PCH when he lost
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Speaker 9: control of his VMW. He allegedly crashed into a park
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Speaker 9: car before crashing into four per the Astrians standing together
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Speaker 9: on the side of the World Way. All the young
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Speaker 9: women die of the scene.
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Speaker 1: To top it all off, it's a fixed object. Out
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Speaker 1: of everywhere you could drive your car, you plow into
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Speaker 1: a fixed object and then into four young girls. And
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Speaker 1: listen to this.
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Speaker 4: Party host Sigma Kai brothers tackle the mail driver to
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Speaker 4: the ground and hold him there until police arrive.
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Speaker 6: I just saw some people taking him out of the
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Speaker 6: car and holding him down on the curb and everything else,
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Speaker 6: and he was just yelling and.
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Speaker 1: Screaming from our friends at KTLA five joining me veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, defense attorney Brian Claypool, managing partner Claypool Law Firm,
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Speaker 1: author of Break the Code of Silence, Raising my Voice
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Speaker 1: to protect our kids, Brian Claypool. He tried to get away.
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Speaker 1: That's called flight under the law, So do me. He
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Speaker 1: was out of his mind, or he was depressed, or
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Speaker 1: he hit his head. He tried to get away, Brian,
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Speaker 1: that's damning under the law. The guys had to tackle
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Speaker 1: him and drag him back.
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Speaker 10: Look, this is a heartbreaking tragedy.
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Speaker 11: I mean, we all have kids, but we can't measure
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Speaker 11: how a young man is going to react to a
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Speaker 11: traumatic situation. It's not like he hopped in a buddy's
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Speaker 11: car and was driving to the to the Mexican border.
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Speaker 1: Are you mentioning that? Why are you making that up.
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Speaker 1: It's not like he hopped in a body's car. Maybe
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Speaker 1: he would have, but he didn't have a buddy's car there.
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Speaker 1: So he did all he could do and he took
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Speaker 1: Patent Turner Pata Street and turned the corner. He tried
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Speaker 1: to run. Isn't it true, Claypool, that that is evidence
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Speaker 1: of guilt flight. It is evidence of guilt when you
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Speaker 1: try to get away from the crime scene as fast
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Speaker 1: as you can. Right.
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Speaker 10: No, you know you're right. And that's why Alan Jackson
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Speaker 10: has a tough case. I had too. It's not just
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Speaker 10: because he won the Karen Reid trial.
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Speaker 11: Remember in that case there you couldn't even establish the
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Speaker 11: manner of death in that.
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Speaker 1: Case, Ryan Claypool, this is not about Karen Reid, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about these four young girls and this guy
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Speaker 1: trying to get away from the scene. That's what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. So let me try to get the car
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Speaker 1: back in the middle of the road. Cay do you
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Speaker 1: address him trying to leave the scene and I haven't
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Speaker 1: even gotten to the crash yet.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, Look, flight is evidence of guilt. It doesn't
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Speaker 11: matter how rich this kid is. Every defendant in a
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Speaker 11: criminal case is entitled to a defense, whether we'd like
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Speaker 11: that or not. So what he's likely going to argue
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Speaker 11: in the defense of Boem is the following. Was there
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Speaker 11: a potential malfunction in his car? They're going to expect
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Speaker 11: examine the car. How did he go from ninety four?
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I just carved up my hot tea. A malfunction
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Speaker 1: in the car like lead foot, like his foot on
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Speaker 1: the pedal. What possible? Now, you know what, I'm glad
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Speaker 1: you said that because I happened to have an accident
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Speaker 1: reconstructions with me, a renowned one, which I'm going to
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Speaker 1: follow up with what you're saying. But I like that.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, spend me somewhere gold rumpel stilts Can accident malfunction.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead. I can't write fast enough.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Well, the other argument that his previous lawyer made was
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Speaker 11: he was involved in a road raid road rage incident.
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Speaker 11: So that's going to be investigated by Alan Jackson.
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Speaker 12: And if there was a road rage, let.
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Speaker 1: Me make sure I understand what you're talking about. You're
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Speaker 1: talking about the mystery vehicle, the mystery vehicle that was
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Speaker 1: chasing him that nobody's been able to find on any
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Speaker 1: of the road camp that car.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's the car, right, and that's what they'll look into.
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Speaker 1: You're going to have to look really hard, really hard.
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Speaker 1: It may take a little let me just say, creative
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Speaker 1: editing to find that mystery car that he's claiming something
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Speaker 1: along the lines of he cut somebody off because he
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Speaker 1: was texting and the guy got mad at him, and
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Speaker 1: so he boom ran away as fast as he could
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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't be injured and then crashed and killed
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Speaker 1: the four girls. That's one of his arguments.
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Speaker 11: One other arnament I think has to do with anyone
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Speaker 11: look one of his other arguments.
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Speaker 10: My job is to tell you what.
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Speaker 1: A defense way take hold on, Dave Mac joining me,
24:37
Speaker 1: I want to follow up on everything Claypool is saying,
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Speaker 1: because well, I don't buy any of it. It could
24:44
Speaker 1: be a defense that they try to raise a trial,
24:47
Speaker 1: and the best thing the prosecution can do is be
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Speaker 1: ready for that defense and be prepared to shoot it
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Speaker 1: down when it rears its ugly head. Dave Mac tell
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Speaker 1: me about the mystery road rage incident.
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Speaker 8: There's a man named Victor Calandra. He's a resident of
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Speaker 8: Malibu for over thirty five years. He's driving his twenty
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Speaker 8: sixteen GMC twenty five hundred pickup truck in close prescimity
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Speaker 8: to Fraser Bomb Boom, and Keith says that Bomb was
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Speaker 8: speeding and driving in and.
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Speaker 7: Out of traffic, and they actually caught up to one
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Speaker 7: another right at Sunset Boulevard towards Tipanga, and that's when
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Speaker 7: Calandra said, he's trying to get BOM's attention at the
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Speaker 7: light to tell him to slow down, and Bom never
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Speaker 7: acknowledges him, and when the light turns green, Bomb accelerate
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Speaker 7: with extreme I think is the term was extreme acceleration
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Speaker 7: up the road. Calandra couldn't cat was not. He was
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Speaker 7: right there to the light with him, but did not
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Speaker 7: keep up with him as Bomb takes off and it
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Speaker 7: seconds later when the accident happens, and it is Calandra
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Speaker 7: who actually was yelling at Bomb at the crash then,
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Speaker 7: and that's who they're claiming was actually road rage.
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Speaker 8: When in fact he was telling him to slow down.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's going to be footage of that. Dave Mack,
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Speaker 1: what stretch of the road was the alleged road rage
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Speaker 1: incident where now we're learning from the other driver he
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Speaker 1: was trying to motion to Boom to slow the hay down.
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Speaker 7: But what stretch of the road was this, Well, we're
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Speaker 7: dealing with, you know stretch of the PCH that is
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Speaker 7: called dead Man's Curve, which is actually a long stretch there,
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Speaker 7: but it's an area of the PCH that is just
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Speaker 7: beyond Sunset Boulevard toward Tipanga and the erratic vehicle in
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Speaker 7: this case being driven by Bomb with at the Las
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Speaker 7: Flores Canyon stoplight that's where they caught up. So it's
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Speaker 7: a very short area where they actually caught up at
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Speaker 7: the light where calandrac.
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Speaker 1: You know what you just used. You just made me
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Speaker 1: so happy, Mac, which typically does not happen in a
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Speaker 1: case like this, but you just made me so happy
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Speaker 1: because to Joseph Tremblay joining me, Senior forensic Engineer Accident
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Speaker 1: Reconstruction with Veritech Consulting Engineering Tremblay, that was the music
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Speaker 1: to my ears because I heard PCH Pacific Coast Highway
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Speaker 1: and we all know it is dripping in traffic cams.
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Speaker 1: I heard dead Man's Curve, which, as I recall, has
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Speaker 1: signs posted the curvy nature like beware on dead Man's Curve,
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Speaker 1: and also the speed limit there is greatly greatly reduced
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Speaker 1: because of the curves. Also, I heard Dave Mac from
27:44
Speaker 1: Crime Stories state the intersection at Los Florides Canyon stoplight.
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Speaker 1: I bet you they have a traffic cam as well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hoping they do, because this could corroborate
27:59
Speaker 1: the witness the story, It could corroborate the defendant, but
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Speaker 1: I don't think it is. What does all this mean
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Speaker 1: to you, Tremblay?
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Speaker 13: When I look into a case like this, I start
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Speaker 13: with the evidence of the scene itself, and in this
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Speaker 13: particular area, it's a very windy part of the road,
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Speaker 13: and those wines in the road require certain steering inputs
28:27
Speaker 13: which would require a tent of driving essentially. And I
28:33
Speaker 13: want to reiterate the fact that in this particular area
28:37
Speaker 13: there are cautionary signs indicating that a turn is ahead.
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Speaker 13: But the speed limit in that area is forty five
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Speaker 13: miles per hour.
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Speaker 12: And I'll do the math for you. He was going
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Speaker 12: fifty nine over.
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Speaker 10: The speed limit.
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Speaker 12: That's more than.
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Speaker 1: Double the speed tremblay. I did a little research last
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Speaker 1: night and we found out that in some of those
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Speaker 1: spots it's actually thirty five. There's also some forty fives,
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Speaker 1: but in spots where he was it's actually thirty five mph.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's an incredible excess of speed.
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Speaker 13: I'd like to also point out that the dynamics of
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Speaker 13: this impact suggests that he contacted three other cars.
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Speaker 12: Those cars have significant damage.
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Speaker 13: There's actually photographs of those vehicles that he contacted, and
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Speaker 13: to be honest with you, those cars probably diminished the
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Speaker 13: impact severity that he produced against these four lovely young women.
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Speaker 1: So Joseph tremblay and regular people talk. What you're saying
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Speaker 1: is the cars he crashed into to start with were
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Speaker 1: a barrier, a buffer to the victims, and they would
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Speaker 1: have suffered even more had he not crashed into those
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Speaker 1: cars to start with one hundred and four mph.
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Speaker 12: That's correct. This is just such a severe impact.
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Speaker 4: The four females will pronounced dead. I see Bi Alpha
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Speaker 4: Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting
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Speaker 4: outside when a red BMW speeding down the PCH going
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Speaker 4: at least one hundred miles per hour suddenly swears from
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Speaker 4: the road and slams into parked cars. Partygoers scream as
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Speaker 4: the parked cars are shoved into Neave, Peyton, Asha and Deslin,
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Speaker 4: while bystanders call nine to one one and attend to
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Speaker 4: two others injured in the crash. The BMW's driver gets out,
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Speaker 4: stumbling away from the mangled cars.
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Speaker 1: From Alibi Times.
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Speaker 2: In a chilling turn of events, twenty two year old
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Speaker 2: Fraser Boem tore through the infamous stretch of Pacific Coast
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Speaker 2: Highway known as dead Man's Curve, doing over one hundred
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Speaker 2: miles per hour and a forty five mile per hour zone.
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Speaker 2: He was behind the wheel of his luxurious BMW allegedly
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Speaker 2: fleeing from a road rage altercation. When his recklessness would
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Speaker 2: create a nightmare, no one could have imagined.
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Speaker 1: A brand new to him, just gifted to him by
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Speaker 1: his parents joining me Now, in addition to Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: renowned forensic psychologist, doctor Kendall Crowns joining US Chief Medical
31:11
Speaker 1: Examiner Terrence County, That's Fort Worth STARV a brand new
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Speaker 1: hit podcast, Mayhem and the Morgue. He is esteemed lecturer
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Speaker 1: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and has
31:23
Speaker 1: performed literally thousands, thousands of autopsies, accidents, natural causes, suicides,
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Speaker 1: and homicides, including the Hey killer homicides. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. The girls standing there
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Speaker 1: minding their own business, waiting to go into I believe
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Speaker 1: Bridget and Coco it was a Sigma kay party? Was
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Speaker 1: that where they were headed?
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Speaker 12: Yes?
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Speaker 6: It was a mixer. It was like an event for
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Speaker 6: our sporty. It wasn't a party, Okay, what's the difference.
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Speaker 6: There was no drinking involved, Okay.
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Speaker 1: I neither had to be a diff It's because when
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Speaker 1: you put the sigma kis and the Alpha Fies together
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Speaker 1: in one place. It sounds like a party to me.
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Speaker 1: So my Coco crandall were they waiting outside to go in?
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Speaker 3: So they weren't from our understanding, they weren't necessarily waiting.
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Speaker 3: They actually had parked their car.
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Speaker 5: If you're familiar with PCH you only can park on
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Speaker 5: the street park their car, got out of their car
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Speaker 5: and were walking to the house to go to the mixer,
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Speaker 5: and in the process of walking that's when they were
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Speaker 5: got it.
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Speaker 1: Got it. So they're walking into a mixer. Wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. I just wanted to make sure I
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Speaker 1: understood what they were doing. You know another reason I
32:42
Speaker 1: wanted to know, doctor Crowns because so often, somehow the
32:45
Speaker 1: victims turn out to be the bad guys in the
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Speaker 1: media and with the defense no offense. Brian Claypool, I
32:51
Speaker 1: know you do everything you can to help your client.
32:55
Speaker 1: But Doctor Kendle Crowns, they were a not drinking. They
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Speaker 1: wore b on the side of the street walking into
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Speaker 1: the Sigma Chai house for a non alcoholic mixer. I
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Speaker 1: just want to be very clear, all dressed up and
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Speaker 1: their party outfits, having all gotten ready together back at
33:14
Speaker 1: their place they all shared with our guests. I mean,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendl Crowns, you know what time it is, right,
33:22
Speaker 1: I'm looking at colleges right now for the twins and
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Speaker 1: hearing something like this just pushes me over the edge,
33:31
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendle Crowns. What happened to these girls when they
33:34
Speaker 1: were hit by a couple of tons of metal at
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Speaker 1: one hundred and four miles per hour?
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Speaker 14: So what happens when a car is going at a
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Speaker 14: very high rated speed and it hits a pedestrian. Initially,
33:46
Speaker 14: the bumper comes into contact at about your knee level
33:49
Speaker 14: and folds your knee in, causing your side to strike
33:53
Speaker 14: the upper portion of the front of the car, and
33:56
Speaker 14: that pitches the body onto the hood. The head hits
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Speaker 14: the hood or the wind shield, and at that high
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Speaker 14: rate of speed, the body will flip up over the
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Speaker 14: car and then fly through the air and land on
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Speaker 14: the ground. Now, one of the other things when you're
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Speaker 14: having someone drive at that high rate of speed is
34:12
Speaker 14: you'll get traumatic amputations where the legs will be severed
34:17
Speaker 14: from the point of impact and then just kind of
34:19
Speaker 14: spread out all over the roadway. We also might see,
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Speaker 14: depending on their height, amputations that the hit area, bodies
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Speaker 14: cut in half, and even potentially from the speed with
34:31
Speaker 14: the head hitting the windshield decapitations. It will be massive
34:35
Speaker 14: internal injuries, fractures of all the extremities, ribs, pelvis, and
34:41
Speaker 14: then the organs themselves will be ruptured or lacerated as well.
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Speaker 14: It's actually high speed velocity pedestrians accidents are very gruesome events.
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Speaker 1: Dot Tittle Crowns, how many cases like this have you worked?
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Speaker 14: Pedestrians struck by vehicles are fairly common, we see them
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Speaker 14: at least probably once a week. But high speed pedestrians
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Speaker 14: truck by vehicles are very, very rare because mostly most
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Speaker 14: of the time pedestrians aren't on the highway and most
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Speaker 14: people aren't driving their cars at one hundred and four
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Speaker 14: miles per hour when they hit a pedestrian.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that last comment. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: circle back to you, doctor Kendall Crowns for more of
35:24
Speaker 1: an in depth analysis of what the victims may have
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Speaker 1: lived through. But Brian Claypool joining US veteran trial lawyer
35:32
Speaker 1: managing partner Claypool Law Firm joining US out of California,
35:38
Speaker 1: did you hear what he said? Very rarely are victims
35:43
Speaker 1: walking on a highway where high speed crashes normally happened.
35:47
Speaker 1: This was not a highway and they were walking along
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Speaker 1: the edge of a pedestrian street where the mph was
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Speaker 1: thirty five.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, hey, Nancy, I get that.
35:59
Speaker 11: But I think with Allen accident is going to do
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Speaker 11: in this case, is he's going to go after the
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Speaker 11: County of Los Angeles and or the city of Maliburni.
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Speaker 11: It's likely the county for failing to adequately maintain that road.
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Speaker 10: What do I mean by that?
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Speaker 11: Your entire show, you've mentioned probably four or five times
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Speaker 11: dead Man's Curve. It was also called Hell's Corner. The
36:18
Speaker 11: County's on notice that this is a dangerous curve. Why
36:22
Speaker 11: wasn't there better lighting? That's what he's going to argue.
36:25
Speaker 11: And he's going to argue also a was there a
36:28
Speaker 11: guardrail here? I don't think there was, And if there wasn't,
36:32
Speaker 11: there should have been, and that might have minimized the
36:34
Speaker 11: impact and this tragedy might have been a.
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Speaker 1: Verb Well, at least you're going down swinging. You're going
36:39
Speaker 1: to try and blame bad lighting and no guardrail and
36:44
Speaker 1: push it all off on the county. Okay, that sounds
36:49
Speaker 1: more like a civil lawsuit claim where you're trying to
36:52
Speaker 1: distribute the monetary damages. I'm talking about a criminal trial
36:58
Speaker 1: for vehic homicide. I'm sure, Claypool that you are familiar
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Speaker 1: with the abandoned and malignant heart theory under the law,
37:09
Speaker 1: which rises too. I would like this to be prosecuted
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Speaker 1: as murder, not vehicular homicide because of the abandoned and
37:18
Speaker 1: malignant heart theory. Malice murder murder one can be proven
37:23
Speaker 1: in many different ways. One is, of course, when you
37:27
Speaker 1: say I'm going to kill you, Claypool, I've had it
37:30
Speaker 1: and I take a gun, hold it up and shoot
37:32
Speaker 1: you dead. Okay. That is clear, extrinsic and implicit evidence
37:39
Speaker 1: of intent to murder. There is another theory called abandon
37:44
Speaker 1: and malignant heart. What does that mean? Here's an example.
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Speaker 1: You drive one hundred and four miles an hour through
37:49
Speaker 1: let's just say a street festival that's been blocked off
37:52
Speaker 1: where people are selling food and homemade items and crafts,
37:58
Speaker 1: and there are two hundred p people there on a
38:01
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, drinking lemonade and eating kebabs. And suddenly here
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Speaker 1: you come, Claypool, one hundred and four mph, plowing through
38:10
Speaker 1: the street festival and you kill people. That shows an
38:14
Speaker 1: abandoned heart. In other words, you have a heart which
38:17
Speaker 1: is abandon of empathy for other people, and you do
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Speaker 1: something so insanely reckless it equals murder. That would be
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Speaker 1: my argument to this jury. And you're trying to blame
38:31
Speaker 1: bad lighting. I respect that.
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Speaker 11: Well, Look, look I espectfully disagree on that that my
38:38
Speaker 11: argument applies to a civil case.
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Speaker 10: You know as well as I do.
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Speaker 11: You've got to prove causation, even in the murder case here,
38:44
Speaker 11: and what Jackson's going to argue is there going to
38:46
Speaker 11: be concurrent, concurrent causation. And here's another point. In order
38:50
Speaker 11: to prove murder in the situation in California, a proved
38:54
Speaker 11: causation what's called implied malice, not that he intended to
38:58
Speaker 11: drive over these young women.
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Speaker 10: And you've got to.
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Speaker 11: Prove that he he acted in such conscious disregard for
39:05
Speaker 11: the lives of others, others that he knew that it
39:08
Speaker 11: was ly that these young women would die. And what
39:11
Speaker 11: Jackson is going to argue is that wasn't in his
39:13
Speaker 11: frame of mind, that he didn't intended on doing that,
39:16
Speaker 11: didn't intend on trying to ebody Again.
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Speaker 1: You just made me so happy because you said he
39:24
Speaker 1: didn't intend it. But isn't the black and white letter
39:28
Speaker 1: of the law, which will be read to the jury
39:31
Speaker 1: and jury instructions just after closing, arguments that the law
39:37
Speaker 1: presumes the defendant intends the natural consequences of his act.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 11: If that's a jury instruction in California, you could try
39:49
Speaker 11: to make that argument as well.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutor, let me refresh your regulation. It is you want
39:55
Speaker 1: what you want, that you the natural consequence of your act.
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Speaker 11: Look, if this case goes to trial, Boehm is going
40:04
Speaker 11: to have to testify to try to refute Well, let's
40:07
Speaker 11: assume you're correct, Nancy, then he's going to have to
40:09
Speaker 11: testify to tell a jury what was going on in
40:13
Speaker 11: his mind at the time of this incident.
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Speaker 10: And that's really what Jackson is going to have to do.
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Speaker 1: Here, what's in his mind? Why do I care what
40:20
Speaker 1: he's thinking?
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Speaker 10: You should care because.
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Speaker 11: The first question Jackson is going to ask him, did
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Speaker 11: you intend on driving off the side of the road
40:29
Speaker 11: to kill these young ladies? That is relevant in this
40:33
Speaker 11: trial to refute your abandon heart theory.
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Speaker 10: It is Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Abandoned heart means you at with such gross negligence, with
40:42
Speaker 1: a malignant heart, that you kill others. What you're thinking
40:47
Speaker 1: does not go as size called negligence. You're not thinking, Hey,
40:52
Speaker 1: I want to kill four girls all dressed up in
40:54
Speaker 1: their party dresses to go to the Sigma Kai mixer.
40:56
Speaker 1: You don't have to think that. If I go into
41:00
Speaker 1: them all of America with an oozy and start firing,
41:03
Speaker 1: I don't have to know who my victims are. I
41:05
Speaker 1: don't have to mean to kill them. That is an
41:07
Speaker 1: abandon and malignant heart, and that is murder. But I
41:11
Speaker 1: just looked it up just to make sure I was right,
41:14
Speaker 1: and guess what I am. The law presumes that you
41:20
Speaker 1: intend the natural consequences of your act, and it's called
41:26
Speaker 1: in your jurisdiction non target offense liability. You don't just
41:33
Speaker 1: like I said, if I take a piece of thin
41:36
Speaker 1: china so fine you can see through it and I
41:38
Speaker 1: throw it to the ground, Wow, what did I intend
41:41
Speaker 1: to do? Break it? When you drive one hundred and
41:44
Speaker 1: four mph in a residential area where people are by
41:49
Speaker 1: the road, the natural consequence of your act is a crash.
41:55
Speaker 1: Let me ask Cocoa crandall and Bridget Thompson for to you, Bridget,
42:01
Speaker 1: have you ever been in that area before? Have you
42:05
Speaker 1: ever seen the Sigma Kai House?
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Speaker 7: Yes?
42:08
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
42:09
Speaker 1: And is it a residential area? What's around it? Are
42:12
Speaker 1: there homes?
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Speaker 6: Yes, it's one hundred percent of residential area. It's lined
42:17
Speaker 6: on both sides with homes.
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Speaker 1: Are there other fraternity homes or already homes on that street?
42:23
Speaker 6: There is one, but it's not like a Greek row
42:26
Speaker 6: or anything. But there's definitely residential.
42:29
Speaker 1: So they're private residences. Yes, So good luck with that.
42:34
Speaker 1: Brian Claypool that there needed to be a guard rail
42:38
Speaker 1: to present this horrific, deadly crash. You're going to blame
42:43
Speaker 1: a guard rail or bad lighting? Oh I can't wait.
42:47
Speaker 10: Well, one other.
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Speaker 11: Thing I would do if I'm Jackson is again I
42:51
Speaker 11: disagree as to as a state of mind of bomb.
42:54
Speaker 11: I think you have to ask him why did he
42:57
Speaker 11: go from ninety three miles an hour to hundred and
43:00
Speaker 11: four miles an hour. That gets to your defense. I mean,
43:03
Speaker 11: if he has some rational explanation as to why the
43:07
Speaker 11: car accelerated ten miles an hour in a short amount
43:10
Speaker 11: of time, he might be able to get over this.
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Speaker 1: ADVANTA technical legal term he's an a hole. Did they
43:16
Speaker 1: teach you that at Harvard Law School?
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Speaker 9: An Ahle, the defendant knew his actions were dangerous to
43:23
Speaker 9: human life and deliberately acted with consciousness regard for human life,
43:30
Speaker 9: committing four counts of imply malice.
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Speaker 7: Murder in this case.
43:34
Speaker 9: I can't say this enough. We have to realize that
43:42
Speaker 9: when we're driving a car, we have the potential of
43:46
Speaker 9: killing others. When we're driving at one hundred plus miles
43:53
Speaker 9: an hour on a forty five miles per hour zone.
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Speaker 9: Only reasonable conclusion that kid arrive out of the behavior
44:05
Speaker 9: is harming others.
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Speaker 15: I told her that the greatest steps to her young,
44:12
Speaker 15: vibrant life and the future goals was a multi vehicle accident,
44:20
Speaker 15: which is still the leading cause of death in an
44:25
Speaker 15: age group at that time. ASTA, that seems I've lost
44:30
Speaker 15: the argument.
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Speaker 1: You were just saying. Deslon's dad, Desmond Williams speaking, And
44:37
Speaker 1: that's my friends at Pepperdine University YouTube trying to make
44:41
Speaker 1: sense of a nonsensical tragedy. He's one of eight parents
44:53
Speaker 1: devastated tonight while we're on air, they're at home, sitting
45:00
Speaker 1: in their dims and around their supper tables, looking at
45:02
Speaker 1: an empty spot. Maybe they're sitting in the girl's bedroom.
45:07
Speaker 1: Maybe they're driving by their apartment thinking about what was
45:15
Speaker 1: I want to go to two very special guests, but
45:18
Speaker 1: first to Karen start joining us. Forensic psychologist, renowned TV
45:23
Speaker 1: radio trum expert. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.
45:28
Speaker 1: She has dealt with so many survivors trying to make
45:34
Speaker 1: sense of a new normal. Sharen, Please, what is your
45:40
Speaker 1: advice to these two girls joining us today?
45:43
Speaker 16: I think that they need to do exactly what they're
45:46
Speaker 16: doing Nancy. They have to keep talking about this and
45:50
Speaker 16: I'm so glad they're on the show. I'm very sorry
45:53
Speaker 16: that this happened. But the more they get involved, the
45:57
Speaker 16: more they talk about what this person did, dispeting all
46:03
Speaker 16: of the neglect, the better they're going to feel.
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Speaker 3: It will never ever go away. Unfortunately, don't we know that.
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Speaker 16: I think everyone knows that that hole in the heart
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Speaker 16: never closes, but over time it will get better. Just
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Speaker 16: keep spreading the message that this is terrible and should
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Speaker 16: never have happened, and remember your friends.
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Speaker 1: Girls. When I first moved to New York to start
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Speaker 1: off at Court TV, Karen and I would watch trials
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Speaker 1: together in a dark studio and we would talk about
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Speaker 1: what the victims had gone through. Do you remember that, Karen,
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Speaker 1: all those years, eleven years had those dark studios. And
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Speaker 1: She's right, it won't go away. It changes. You don't
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Speaker 1: cry every single day, but probably right now that's still
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Speaker 1: your situation. And Karen, please jump in whenever you have
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Speaker 1: a suggestion. Bridget and Cocoa, tell me about what life
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Speaker 1: was like living with these beautiful girls. First to you, Bridget, Uh.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, life was nothing short of perfect. When I met them,
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Speaker 6: my life literally changed. They were the most amazing people
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Speaker 6: I have ever met, and I think I will ever meet.
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Speaker 6: They made every day a better one. They knew how
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Speaker 6: to pick me up when I was down. They were
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Speaker 6: always a shoulder to cry on. It was It was
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Speaker 6: just the best to live with them, To wake up
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Speaker 6: to their good mornings every morning, to go to bed
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Speaker 6: hearing their good nights. I just miss it a lot.
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Speaker 17: You know.
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Speaker 1: It struck me, Bridget that when either you or Coke
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Speaker 1: I went back to the apartment, I believe it was you.
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Speaker 1: Their pj's were still lying out on the bed where
47:59
Speaker 1: they replaced them to hop into when they got home.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they were.
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Speaker 1: Coco tell me about a typical day that you would
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Speaker 1: have waking up with these beautiful girls.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 5: I mean it literally felt like a dream every morning
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Speaker 5: getting to wake up with them. They are, like Bridget said,
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Speaker 5: they are the bestest of friends. And I don't think
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Speaker 5: we'll ever find friends like that again. They're truly I
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Speaker 5: don't even think most people are lucky enough to have
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Speaker 5: friends like we did in their whole lifetime. But we
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Speaker 5: would wake up and we always had a playlist that
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Speaker 5: we would play mornings, and we would wake up, open
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Speaker 5: the curtains that the sunshine in, just sit in our pjs,
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Speaker 5: make breakfast play music.
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Speaker 3: We lived, obviously in a great.
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Speaker 5: Area, so we'd walk to the beach a lot of time,
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Speaker 5: either on walk along zoom A Beach or at Point Doom.
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Speaker 3: Spent a lot of time in the water just swimming around.
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Speaker 5: And then I feel like we always would go get
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Speaker 5: dinner at our favorite Italian place in Malibu, and I
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Speaker 5: mean it's such a simple day. But any day with them,
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Speaker 5: whether we were doing nothing or anything and everything was
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Speaker 5: just such a dream. And I know, well I can
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Speaker 5: speak for Bridget and I like we would give anything
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Speaker 5: just to have one more day with them.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever dream about them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean so after the accident, because I lived
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Speaker 5: with Deslon and Bridget lived with the rest. Bridget and
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Speaker 5: I moved in together afterwards, into a different apartment and
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Speaker 5: would be like we both had dreams and it felt
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Speaker 5: so real that both of us were like, we don't
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Speaker 5: want to ever wake up because we just want to
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Speaker 5: keep dreaming.
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Speaker 3: And some of them felt so real.
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Speaker 5: Some of them were dreams about them coming back and
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Speaker 5: telling us like, hey, we're okay, we're in We're in
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Speaker 5: a spot, and you know, it happened so fast, and
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Speaker 5: like I want you guys to know we're okay, and so.
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Speaker 3: Bridget and I would just wake up and sometimes just like.
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Speaker 5: Cry together from our dreams because they felt so real.
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Speaker 5: But then we'd wake up and it's just hard to,
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Speaker 5: you know, keep going in life without them. You know,
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Speaker 5: I feel like we were just in a really big
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Speaker 5: denial stage for a really really long time.
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Speaker 1: But doctor Kendall Crowns, it wasn't that way. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: just all so fast they laid there and died. You
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Speaker 1: talked about severed limbs, You talked about horrific impact At
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Speaker 1: one hundred and four, mph. They didn't just die just
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Speaker 1: like that.
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Speaker 14: Well, it was very true, Nancy. It really all depends
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Speaker 14: on where they got hit and what was initially damaged. Now,
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Speaker 14: of course the initial impact that could several limbs to
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Speaker 14: cause a person to go flying over the car but
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Speaker 14: not hit anything else, so their head would be intact
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Speaker 14: and they would be laying there with the traumatically amputated
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Speaker 14: limb bleeding out on the roadway. It really all just
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Speaker 14: depends on what the organ system got hit and at
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Speaker 14: what point was their head engaged or their neck engaged,
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Speaker 14: or how quickly they may have died. And it can
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Speaker 14: be one of those situations in which just the lower
51:34
Speaker 14: extremities were severed or crushed or whatever, or their pelvist
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Speaker 14: was crushed and they just laid there slowly bleeding out
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Speaker 14: and nobody could help them because of the amount of
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Speaker 14: damage that was done.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray An LA Superior Court Judge
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Speaker 1: Thomas Rubinson made a decision and ruled that the LA
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department has to hand over a cell phone to
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Speaker 1: a lab of defense hired experts who will download data
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Speaker 1: that phone handed over to the defense. The judge also
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Speaker 1: ordered the district attorney to turn over to the defense
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Speaker 1: thousands of pages of accident reports, witness statements, info on
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Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty eight non fatal crashes that
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Speaker 1: happened near the scene of the deadly crash going back
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Speaker 1: ten years. Now, why did they do that? I believe
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Speaker 1: the defense is going to argue that it wasn't their
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Speaker 1: client's fault that he killed four people. It was the
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Speaker 1: road's fault, that the engineers had laid it out negligently,
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Speaker 1: and because of the accidents, that should prove it's not
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Speaker 1: their client's fault to kill four people. Okay, let's see
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Speaker 1: how the jury feels about that. Let me refresh everyone's recollection.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Trimlay, Senior forensic engineer ex reconstructionist at Veritech Consulting.
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Speaker 1: How do you go into this scene, knowing what you know,
53:27
Speaker 1: having heard Bridget and Cocoa and Karen and doctor Crown's
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Speaker 1: how do you go in and perform a hard, cold
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Speaker 1: evaluation that will hold up in court to explain to
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Speaker 1: a jury what happened? What do you do well?
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Speaker 13: I have to look at the facts, I have to
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Speaker 13: look at the evidence, and I think it's fair to
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Speaker 13: say in this situation. At that excessive speed, This was
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Speaker 13: no longer a car accident at that rate of speed,
53:59
Speaker 13: and the collision that occurred would cause severe damage. I mean,
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Speaker 13: he's probably lucky himself that he didn't have any injuries
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Speaker 13: from this is so severe. And you know, one of
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Speaker 13: the nice things we have in this situation is so
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Speaker 13: much evidence and so much data, in particular the data
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Speaker 13: from the vehicle itself, which will corroborate his speed, it'll
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Speaker 13: corroborate his pre impact navigation, and whether or not he
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Speaker 13: attempted any sort of maneuver to avoid this collision.
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Speaker 12: So there's a lot.
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Speaker 13: Of evidence that's going to be presented at trial, and
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Speaker 13: I think it's going to be very elucidating for this
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Speaker 13: particular crash.
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Speaker 1: Tim Blaye, what do you mean you're going to get
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Speaker 1: a lot of evidence from the car itself. I got
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Speaker 1: a lot of evidence in the Alex Mordag case from
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Speaker 1: his nav his navigation system, which was awesome. You can't
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Speaker 1: really argue with the nav system in your own car.
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Speaker 1: What evidence are you taking, Well, that's.
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Speaker 13: A great question, and there is a lot of evidence
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Speaker 13: from a navigation unit individually.
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Speaker 12: But in addition to that.
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Speaker 13: Modern cars are constantly recording data every car out there,
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Speaker 13: it's a federal mandate that they record data, and that
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Speaker 13: particular data is tied to the airbag system. In the
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Speaker 13: event of an airbag deployment, the car decides whether or
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Speaker 13: not to deploy the airbags based on things like vehicle speed,
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Speaker 13: steering inputs, breaking inputs, things like that, and that data
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Speaker 13: is stored on.
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Speaker 12: The car that can be retrieved. In this particular.
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Speaker 13: Crash, that data was retrieved by the responding officers, and
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Speaker 13: that is most likely the way that they determined the
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Speaker 13: impact speed and then also the way that they determined
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Speaker 13: the pre.
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Speaker 12: Impact acceleration that was done by mister Bohm and his.
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Speaker 13: Apparently completely absent attempt to avoid this crash.
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Speaker 1: Simly, I know that the arriving officer saw skid marks
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Speaker 1: and smoke. What does that mean?
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Speaker 13: Okay, that may actually suggest a small maneuver or breaking
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Speaker 13: an attempt to.
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Speaker 12: Potentially mitigate the crash. I'd have to look into that
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Speaker 12: even more.
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Speaker 13: If it was a skid mark, that would suggest potentially
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Speaker 13: maybe a steering input or a breaking input to decelerate
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Speaker 13: slightly before impact. However, that also kind of depends on
56:39
Speaker 13: how the crash unfolded itself. The data will provide a.
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Speaker 12: Very solid basis for all of that.
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Speaker 13: And the nice thing about that data is that it's
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Speaker 13: been admitted in many different court cases.
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Speaker 12: It's very solid. It's hard to argue that data. I'm
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Speaker 12: sure mister Jacksonville probably make a very honest attempt to
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Speaker 12: kind of reduce the credibility of that data, but it's
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Speaker 12: just very solid.
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Speaker 13: It's been used a lot, and it's a very valuable
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Speaker 13: piece of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Here to Bridget Thompson joining US roommate investie with the
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Speaker 1: crash victims, do you ever dream about them?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 6: I have had many dreams with them, and it is
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Speaker 6: an amazing feeling to feel like you get to be
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Speaker 6: with them one more time. But it's hard to wake
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Speaker 6: up and know it's just not the truth.
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Speaker 1: In the dreams. What's happening? What are they saying?
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Speaker 6: Sometimes they'll reassure us that they're okay. Sometimes they'll be
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Speaker 6: like it's okay, I'm okay now, and I'll try to
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Speaker 6: convince them to stay and they'll be like, I have
57:58
Speaker 6: to go back, I have to go back. It's a
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Speaker 6: really crazy feeling.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, what do these mean? What do these mean?
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Speaker 1: What's happening in the girls' psydechs.
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Speaker 16: It's a case of them trying to preserve the friendship
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Speaker 16: with the girls. And this is actually wonderful because a
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Speaker 16: lot of people when they lose someone, they want to
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Speaker 16: dream about them.
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Speaker 5: You have a.
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Speaker 16: Chance to revisit, even to say goodbye, which I'm going
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Speaker 16: to suggest to both of you that you tell yourself
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Speaker 16: you want to do that when you have the dream
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Speaker 16: again to say goodbye to them, and the whole idea
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Speaker 16: of being with them again. It's all beautiful and very
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Speaker 16: very fortunate. I'm glad they're having those dreams. I know
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Speaker 16: that when you wake up and may be upsetting, but
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Speaker 16: take it like a message. You know that your friends
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Speaker 16: have come and.
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Speaker 3: They're visiting with you.
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Speaker 17: Pepperdine University seniors Nave Rolston, Peyton Stewart, Asha Weir, and
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Speaker 17: Deslin Williams, four Alpha PI sisters, get ready for a
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Speaker 17: Sigma Chai party at their apartment. The girls are incredibly close.
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Speaker 17: After moving in together sophomore year, the women connected freshman
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Speaker 17: year and became inseparable. The Pepperdine victims are a star athlete,
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Speaker 17: future vet TikTok intern and an aspiring writer. Neive, a
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Speaker 17: twenty year old business student, was an excellent gymnast, cheerleader
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Speaker 17: and pole vaulter who competed in the CICH Championship. Deslon
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Speaker 17: was on a pre veterinary track with deep empathy for animals.
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Speaker 17: Peyton spent her sophomore year at Pepperdine's London campus, landing
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Speaker 17: her dream internship with TikTok, before returning to campus for
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Speaker 17: senior year. Asha was studying writing and passionate about the
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Speaker 17: dynamic landscapes of the fashion and music industries.
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Speaker 1: Four beautiful young girls died October seventeen when Baum, driving
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Speaker 1: a red BMW his mommy and Daddy gave him for
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Speaker 1: his eighteenth birthday, smashed into three stationary vehicles fixed objects
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Speaker 1: in the parking lane on the highway next to where
1:00:03
Speaker 1: the girls were walking minding their own business. The speed
1:00:07
Speaker 1: limit was forty five miles an hour, but the black
1:00:12
Speaker 1: box from his BMW, the toy his parents gave him,
1:00:16
Speaker 1: showed he accelerated from ninety three mph to one hundred
1:00:20
Speaker 1: and four mph just two seconds before he mowed the
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Speaker 1: girls down. That is not the highway's fault. That is
1:00:29
Speaker 1: bomb's fault. According to prosecutors, but I guarantee you these
1:00:35
Speaker 1: parents have spent every dime possible to get high powered
1:00:38
Speaker 1: lawyers to beat the rap. Will it work? We wait
1:00:43
Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,