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357. Championing Women In Sport: How To Take Up Space & Better Support Mothers With Alysia Montaño · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: I have deep belief in my ability to achieve.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Abadi here. You are listening to Hurdle,
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  Speaker 2: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My
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  Speaker 2: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can
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  Speaker 2: stride towards your own big potential and of course have
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  Speaker 2: some fun along the way. For today's episode, I'm chatting
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  Speaker 2: with Alicia Montano. She's an Olympian, three time world champion,
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  Speaker 2: bronze medalist, an activist, and the founder of Four All Mothers.
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  Speaker 2: They're non profit that aims to eliminate what is often
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  Speaker 2: referred to as the motherhood of penalty, the phenomenon by
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  Speaker 2: which women face economic, social, and health disadvantages after becoming mothers,
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  Speaker 2: and for All Mothers does this through the public lens
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  Speaker 2: of sports. Aside from her fantastic work uplifting mothers, you
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  Speaker 2: may remember when she competed at the twenty fourteen USATF
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  Speaker 2: Championships at eight months pregnant, many people after that calling
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  Speaker 2: her the Pregnant Runner, and then she wrote a super
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  Speaker 2: powerful op ed for The New York Times in twenty
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  Speaker 2: nineteen entitled Nike Told Me to Dream Crazy until I
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  Speaker 2: wanted a baby. Alicia shared her story struggling with contracts
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  Speaker 2: surrounding her pregnancy, and after doing so, others, including Alison Felix,
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  Speaker 2: were encouraged to speak their truth, which resulted in many brands,
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  Speaker 2: including Nike, changing their maternity leave policies for elite athletes.
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  Speaker 2: Nike specifically announced a new maternity policy for all sponsored athletes,
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  Speaker 2: guaranteeing an athlete and bonuses for eighteen months surrounding at pregnancy,
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  Speaker 2: a major step in the right direction for women's rights.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so lucky to call Alicia a friend, a one
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  Speaker 2: that I'm so proud of. This week, on the heels
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  Speaker 2: of a major announcement that Strava has pledged more than
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  Speaker 2: three hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Dollars to four All mothers.
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  Speaker 2: A massive part of that will pledge support to a
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  Speaker 2: new program called Childcare so they can get out there.
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  Speaker 2: Love the name grants, which will provide fifty different recipients
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  Speaker 2: two thousand dollars to navigate the costs associated with childcare
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  Speaker 2: and travel and lodging, and support to train for and
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  Speaker 2: participate in races this year.
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  Speaker 3: We absolutely love that.
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  Speaker 2: In today's episode, we talk about how life for Alicia
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  Speaker 2: is now that her work is focused on activism instead
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  Speaker 2: of getting after it on the track. She shares how
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  Speaker 2: she takes care of herself while juggling motherhood and business
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  Speaker 2: and so much more, plus the emotions that come with
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  Speaker 2: getting exactly what she deserves.
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  Speaker 3: After finding out last year.
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  Speaker 2: That she's a bronze Olympic mess from the twenty twelve
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  Speaker 2: London Games after a competitor was banned for doping, Alicia
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  Speaker 2: will be receiving her bronze medal at the LA twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight Games. We chat about that, we chat about
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  Speaker 2: so much more. I love this conversation. I'm so grateful
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  Speaker 2: for her time and we are so lucky to have
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  Speaker 2: someone as passionate as Alicia fighting for the rights of
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  Speaker 2: childbearing individuals and standing up for so much that is good.
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  Speaker 2: do that is in the show notes. With that, let's
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  Speaker 2: get to it, let's get It's a hurdling today, I
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  Speaker 2: am sitting down with Alicia Montano. She is an Olympic
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  Speaker 2: bronze medalist. She's also the founder of four All Mothers.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to hurdle, Alicia.
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  Speaker 1: How are we doing? Hi, I'm doing fantastic. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: happy that we finally got some time to connect on hurdle.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy that we finally found some time to
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  Speaker 2: connect on hurdle.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a big week for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's been an absolute incredible worldwin. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: have lots of big weeks, but yes, this has been
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic week for us, our organization, my family.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's fill in the people on what's
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  Speaker 2: going on. Let's start first and foremost with the recent
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  Speaker 2: Strava announcement.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Strama is just an absolutely incredible partner. They awarded
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  Speaker 1: my nonprofit for All Mothers three hundred thousand dollars towards
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  Speaker 1: research for Maternal and Family Support project, and one hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand of those dollars were allocated towards the childcare so
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  Speaker 1: they can get out there grant. We know that a
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  Speaker 1: barrier to success for women athletes when they become mothers
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  Speaker 1: is childcare, and so with the work that we're doing
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  Speaker 1: with our nonprofit organization, it's all about breaking down barrier
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  Speaker 1: so that we can continue to see the elevation of
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  Speaker 1: women's sports that we knew that it always could be.
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  Speaker 1: And so with this grant, we're able to give fifty
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  Speaker 1: moms two thousand dollars towards child's care and travel to
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  Speaker 1: an endurance event this year.
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  Speaker 2: Can you even imagine hearing those words come out of
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  Speaker 2: your mouth even three four, five years ago?
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. I knew that we were capable of change.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't have started a nonprofit organization, which
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  Speaker 1: is an undertaking in and of itself, But to see
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  Speaker 1: companies really rallied behind the cause, No, it's so incredibly important.
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  Speaker 1: And to be able to be like you get a grant,
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  Speaker 1: and you get a grant, and you get a grant,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it an absolute dream? I do have to say,
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  Speaker 1: I imagine change would come and that it would be
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  Speaker 1: massive and the effects that it's now had. Five years
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  Speaker 1: after starting this nonprofit organization and then just like seeing
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  Speaker 1: the snowball effect of goodness and things inside and outside
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  Speaker 1: of the org. It is a dream, but it is
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  Speaker 1: one that I do think and did think is possible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so special to see and as a friend
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  Speaker 2: of yours, it truly makes me so proud of you
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  Speaker 2: to hear that your hard work and see really that
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  Speaker 2: your hard work and the hard work of so many
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  Speaker 2: of the women that you collaborate with each and every
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  Speaker 2: day is paying off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: So special. It did not happen overnight, and that is
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  Speaker 3: something that we know.
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  Speaker 1: No, it did not happen overnight. But you know what
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  Speaker 1: is probably some of the greatest things that have been
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  Speaker 1: happening from this is what you've said. It's been like
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  Speaker 1: this platform that has given more opportunities for more voices
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  Speaker 1: to be heard, for more stories to be told, which
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  Speaker 1: ultimately is research. Is research. You know, it allows us
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  Speaker 1: to say, oh, we need to we have this is
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  Speaker 1: like a common theme, this is a problem that we
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  Speaker 1: need to look deeper into, and you know, it helps us,
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  Speaker 1: it helps inform our research. And this grant that we
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  Speaker 1: got from Strata is really huge for us to do
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  Speaker 1: this project. The Maternal and Family support project. And I
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  Speaker 1: do have to say a huge shadow and thank you
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  Speaker 1: to the Carlton University who has helped us do this
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  Speaker 1: research because of the Strava funding. My team at for
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  Speaker 1: All Mothers, Victoria, Justine, Christine, well Hillary just like honestly, like,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I get to talk about the work that
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  Speaker 1: we're doing, but I'm just in this moment where I
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  Speaker 1: have so much gratitude for all of the people that
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  Speaker 1: have helped us. But then also just knowing this internal
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  Speaker 1: team and how much they care about this and how
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  Speaker 1: much they put into the work that we're doing, and
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  Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been able to identify these top barriers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, participation for pregnant and parenting folks to know, like, hey, Strava, like,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to put some gusto behind this, and
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  Speaker 1: for them to say absolutely, knowing that like eighty three
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  Speaker 1: percent of people reported that pregnancy and or their role
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  Speaker 1: as a parent or guardian has prevented them from participating
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  Speaker 1: in a race. And then the top reason for a
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  Speaker 1: parent inability to participate in a race is lack of
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  Speaker 1: access to childcare, you know, And so knowing that that's
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  Speaker 1: part of the numbers, it's like we're helping to decrease
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  Speaker 1: that number and continue to allow for parents to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of this run world, which we know is
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  Speaker 1: so magical. I get to be friends with wonderful people
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  Speaker 1: like you, and we know that you know, it's something
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  Speaker 1: that we want to make sure that we can keep
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  Speaker 1: part of people's lives for as long.
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  Speaker 2: As possible, as long as possible, And gosh, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you could tell your even your twenty nineteen self,
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  Speaker 2: that something like this would be happening. So much has
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  Speaker 2: happened since you wrote that New York Times op ed
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  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. Thinking back on that moment, now, what
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  Speaker 2: comes up for you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that time in twenty nineteen. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it came from feeling like I was in a silo
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  Speaker 1: and knowing, like, why isn't there enough change that's happened too,
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  Speaker 1: so that like stories like mine, an athlete who is
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  Speaker 1: still in her prime is not having an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: continue her career because of the motherhood penalty, Like simply
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  Speaker 1: because I'm a mom, I've essentially been pushed out of
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  Speaker 1: my career. I think, like, gosh, when I look back
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  Speaker 1: on that time, I feel a little emotional about it
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  Speaker 1: because it's such a lonely time to be like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: having my daughter in twenty fourteen, you know, stepping onto
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  Speaker 1: a major stage at eight months pregnant, deciding I was
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  Speaker 1: going to make motherhood visible in this regard in my career.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was just like so much of it was
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  Speaker 1: there were moms in case you didn't know, there were
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  Speaker 1: moms before me that continued their careers or tried to.
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, we they're living in this corner
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  Speaker 1: by themselves, facing all of these barriers, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: if I can just like show what it looks like
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  Speaker 1: on this platform, then you know, at least I'm I
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  Speaker 1: can I can carve out a small chunk of just
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  Speaker 1: adding another layer of identity and value to humans, like
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  Speaker 1: two women, to mothers, because we were living in this
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  Speaker 1: time where and we you know, we're still fighting very
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  Speaker 1: hard where it's like you become a mom and you
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  Speaker 1: lose value. You know. That was part of stepping on
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  Speaker 1: that stage and being like, you know, let's give some
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  Speaker 1: identity to this. You can see what it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: So instead it's not like you go into pregnancy, you
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  Speaker 1: go into motherhood and it's like, oh she chose to
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  Speaker 1: like leave her career. It was like showing like I
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  Speaker 1: actually want to be here, you know, and I hope
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  Speaker 1: that I'll be supported to be here. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: three years later, having my son twenty seventeen, doing it
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  Speaker 1: again because there has not there was not enough needle moving.
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  Speaker 1: It was like going to advocate for myself and trying
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  Speaker 1: to continue my career. It was like pins like dropping
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  Speaker 1: on like you know, you can hear a pin drop
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  Speaker 1: when it's like, what do you want to do in the
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  Speaker 1: next five years, Like, well, I want to grow my
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  Speaker 1: family and I want to do the mom thing. And
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to make her like you want to like
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  Speaker 1: be a mom and like have a career. That's weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's like why is this? Why is this a thing
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  Speaker 1: that's existing? So the op ED was really like and
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  Speaker 1: on the record moment, you know, it was like all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff is off the record because you want to like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe change is just gonna come, but it's like you
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  Speaker 1: have to talk about it and we have to do it.
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  Speaker 1: And then to have Alice and Felix, you know, two
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  Speaker 1: weeks later do her op ED was like and her
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  Speaker 1: to tell me, I told my story because you told yours.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it does blow the lid off of how
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  Speaker 1: I this has come to be when it is you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was like if we just if we never shared,
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  Speaker 1: if I never you know, stepped on the stage and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do it again, and then I didn't continue
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  Speaker 1: this very real, authentic storytelling moment, like we would not
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  Speaker 1: be in a space right now where we are seeing
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  Speaker 1: fifty moms have an opportunity to receive a grant just
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  Speaker 1: as huge as this in this twenty twenty five Like
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  Speaker 1: that's it's huge. It's ten years later, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: just to stay.
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  Speaker 3: Got a ten ten years later, ten years later.
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  Speaker 2: The saying I feel the fear and do it anyway
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  Speaker 2: is like really resonating for me in this moment. What
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  Speaker 2: did you do or what tools did you use or
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  Speaker 2: maybe who did you talk to to get over the
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  Speaker 2: fears that I am sure that you had about speaking
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  Speaker 2: your truth?
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  Speaker 3: Mmm.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, my husband's been a huge support. And again it
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  Speaker 1: was an isolated, like sort of experience because it was
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  Speaker 1: like this thing women do where it's like I want
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  Speaker 1: to be taken professional and I'm not complaining about the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I can do it on my own, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like this is a systemic barrier, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: this is like literally not my problem, it is but
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  Speaker 1: because of systems. And so I thought through just tools
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  Speaker 1: that I've used from competition, which is like affirmations where
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  Speaker 1: you talk your very best self into doing the hard thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you just like say, you know, like I
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  Speaker 1: I actually you know. It's like I described this when
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  Speaker 1: I was connecting with Emily Fayette on our workout session
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  Speaker 1: that we did with Apple, and I was just saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those those moments where you
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  Speaker 1: are laying in bed and you're thinking about all of
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  Speaker 1: the things that you want to be doing and oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: like this is going to be really difficult, and you
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  Speaker 1: know that you pop the invisible bubbles of the negative
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  Speaker 1: thoughts and at the same time you have this like
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  Speaker 1: rip the blanket off moment where you are just saying
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  Speaker 1: to yourself, you know, I like I think I can
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  Speaker 1: do this, like I will do this, I must do this.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's like that's kind of where that tool
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  Speaker 1: that I've used I use the one where it's like, okay, Lisay,
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  Speaker 1: you put the work in to know that you deserve
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  Speaker 1: to be here in this moment on this track, fighting
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  Speaker 1: for your very best self. It's the same thing I
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  Speaker 1: use every day in the work that I'm doing. Or
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, we deserve to be here in this moment,
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  Speaker 1: putting in the work, showing up as our very best selves.
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  Speaker 1: We deserve to get that out of it. And so
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  Speaker 1: those are the affirmations that I use on a daily basis,
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  Speaker 1: the ones that I share with my kids, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the people that I connect with that also helped me
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  Speaker 1: feel this work that we're doing are people who know
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  Speaker 1: this these pain points as well, that have lived it
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  Speaker 1: as well. It's like, you know, I can share these
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  Speaker 1: these folks because they did op eds. It's it's Carri Goucher,
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  Speaker 1: It's Alice and Felix. It's folks within my team who
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  Speaker 1: were not professional athletes, but our moms who are like
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  Speaker 1: man like this work, utilizing my platform, knowing that this
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  Speaker 1: podium are using our podiums for podium moments for all
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  Speaker 1: mothers is really showing up in the way that we
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  Speaker 1: hoped for it to be. Is like what continues to
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  Speaker 1: feel me and how I continue to use that toolbox
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  Speaker 1: is because I know that it works.
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  Speaker 2: How would you say then, in turn that motherhood has
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  Speaker 2: influenced your perspective on sports and competition as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: Mmmm well, motherhood, I know, Joe. I think that there
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  Speaker 1: are so many challenges in life, and motherhood presents some
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  Speaker 1: challenges too, But it's so to me. I have enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: my experience as mom so much so I've done it
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  Speaker 1: three times over and added a fur baby. I think
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  Speaker 1: that the ability to see struggles in different areas and
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  Speaker 1: then just kind of wooh yourself into solving problems is
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  Speaker 1: the only thing you can do as a mom. You
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  Speaker 1: can't really like sit in the problem otherwise it's just
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  Speaker 1: going to escalate. You kind of have to lean into
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  Speaker 1: your softness and then convert that energy into your warrior.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, I just I think that I know
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  Speaker 1: the questions about like how motherhood has played into that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that they feed off of each other, like
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  Speaker 1: they both give each other fuel. The athlete and me
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  Speaker 1: the fighter and me the like. You know, set a
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  Speaker 1: goal can be as big as possible. Know how to
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  Speaker 1: like kind of chop it down to steps that get
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  Speaker 1: me to where I want to go is sort of
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  Speaker 1: I think that part of my professional athletic career has
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  Speaker 1: lent my motherhood and now what I'm learning in my
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  Speaker 1: motherhood and what I've used from that is leaning back
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  Speaker 1: into you know, how I pursue my work as a philanthropist,
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  Speaker 1: but also my work as I continue to challenge my
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  Speaker 1: body from a physical standpoint.
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  Speaker 2: And because, like you said, you've done it three times over,
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  Speaker 2: there have been different evolutions of you as a woman
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  Speaker 2: and as a mother after having your first child and
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  Speaker 2: still coming back and then excelling in the way that
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  Speaker 2: you did. So much of that came from the lessons
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  Speaker 2: that you learned along your pregnancy and childbearing journey.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Absolutely. I mean we've talked so so much
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  Speaker 1: that I feel like you can give a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more insight to all of the things. You know a
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  Speaker 1: lot about my kids and all of the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: they are so different. The pregnancy was so different, the
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  Speaker 1: postpartum period was so different, recovery was so different. And
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  Speaker 1: I just think that it just was adding more things
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  Speaker 1: that were positive to my toolbox, even if there were
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  Speaker 1: struggles in there, Like I think we do need to
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  Speaker 1: have struggles in order, although I'd rather not so many times,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it just allowed for me to put these
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  Speaker 1: things in my toolbox and then also share it, right
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  Speaker 1: like share resources, be able to have these conversations knowing
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  Speaker 1: that everyone's is not going to have the same exact
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  Speaker 1: story that I have, but there will be questions that
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  Speaker 1: arise that are similar and that I can, you know,
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  Speaker 1: take from some folks toolbox and I can give lend
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  Speaker 1: some of my toolbox. I might need that back, but.
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  Speaker 3: You can, you can use, you can borrow it for now.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to talk about coming back to sport
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  Speaker 2: after having your daughter, because at that time that was
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  Speaker 2: very much the determination, the goal, always the plan for
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  Speaker 2: you was I'm not only going to come back, but
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to show myself that I can do it,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: perhaps even in a way that I don't know if
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I've ever done before.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Why was that so important to you?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: The big point for me on like coming back after
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: having my daughter was just about it was it was
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: about proving to myself that I could do it. But
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: also I think, in the back of my mind, this
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: is a really great question, but I do think in
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I also was wanted to
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: do it for the moms who were pushed out of
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: those sports or who were in the sport and hadn't
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: been able to tell their stories. It was like, I mean,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: listen to DMAs. You know, she's like an incredible athlete,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and she went through her motherhood and her career and
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: all the silos of just like the barriers stacked up
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: against her to go on break world records, break American records,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: when her all of the medals she's won, including the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: gold medal that she got twelve years later after having
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: twins with no support at all. And so for me,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like the importance of coming back after having my daughter
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: was about like knowing that motherhood didn't have to stop
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: me just because other people believe that it would. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it was also for my daughter. Like I didn't know
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: how it was going to turn out obviously, you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: but I just was like, I want to do every
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: single thing in my power to show up as my
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: best self. However that however that looks on this day,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it might be my best self finishes last place in
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: this place, so it might be whatever, you know, but
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I do, I do believe I deserve to show up
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: in this space like and I do I talk to myself,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you know. It gave myself all the affirmations that I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: could that said like, let's just do everything in our
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: power that gives you the best chance, the best fighting
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: chance to get everything out of your career that you deserve.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And so stepping on that stage after having my daughter
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: six months postpartum winning nationals, the goal was to be
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in the environment. It was like, I need I need
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to be in the environment. Let's like really like do
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: our best, but like outdoors is going to be the goal.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And I ended up winning indoor nationals at six months postpartum.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And the stories that you now know were ones that
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: were being stacked up against me walking into that. It
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: was the ones that were like, you know, we were
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: going to reduce your contracts because you know you were
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: pregnant for nine months out of the year you didn't
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: win anything, Like of course, well, I mean one in
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: my heart, but you know, so that's what it was
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: important to just kind of not allow for these voices
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: could be my own. But also in this instance, it
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: was voices of people who just believed that mothers were
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: not capable of being invested in. Mother athletes were not
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be invested in, and it's not worth it,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it's not good for the bottom line.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy if I take a step back and
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: think about the amount of pressure not only that you
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: could have been feeling at that time externally, but also
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: the internal pressure that you were putting on yourself. You're
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: talking about how you desired so wholeheartedly to be someone
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: that showed other women what could be possible.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it's a lot of pressure.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And so holistically, when it comes to navigating pressure dealing
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: with difficult situations, is is there anything that you lean
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: into to.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Channel that special level of self belief.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say it again, the affirmations are huge.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: It's just like your Sosha fears. It's just like telling
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: yourself you're the baddest be out there. I think everybody
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: deserves to tell themselves that, like, because I do think
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that we were all I say this all the time.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: We're all individually different on purpose. We all need each other.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: We need well, you know, some folks are tripping out here,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: but we need the very best, you know, parts of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: people to pour into one another, into the village in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: order for us to get the best out of ourselves.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So for me, when I think about pressure, you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Rihanna says the best, you know, it's like pressure creates diamonds,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you know, And I do wholeheartedly believe that, and I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: like to say that to myself, and I'm like, this
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: is just an opportunity for me to rise, Like that's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: just that's how I how I do see pressure, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I do, and I will also be honest that, you know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: The biggest pressure I think I feel now is that,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like the weight of doing it for
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: all mothers, but also needing support for myself. That is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: pretty That's probably the most difficult part of what I'm
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: doing right now.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that, the I also need support for myself,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: because that's twofold one.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: The first part of.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: That is admitting that, being honest about how that might
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: feel for you, and then the second part is then
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: letting people in to provide the support. Have you always
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: been someone that was able or felt capable of being
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: vocal about asking for help?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Gosh, you are deep digging in here. I'm like, man,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I trust my intuition, and when I don't, like, I've
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: probably been like diagnab it, you knew better, you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And part of that intuition for me has been like, Okay,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I am just just talk about my career,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Like I believe this coach telling me this workout is
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: going to work out for me. I'm not second guessing
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: how we're going to do this thing. I can also
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: be vocal and say, hey, I know I'm not being
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a baby athlete, like my hip is really hurting. But
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's because like I know myself,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I know that I'm I want the best out of this,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and if I want the best out of, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: my career, I need to be able to also say, like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I think we need to tweak something here because of
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: something that is essentially harming me. So when it comes
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to like the harm part, I can feel that where
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I know that I want to get help and not
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: be harmed because essentially, like if I harm myself, I'm
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna hurt And you know what they say,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you know it's you. That energy that you kind of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: put off can also feed into not being your best
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: self or essentially you can hurt other systems that you
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: are needed to be a part of. And so I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: think I've been pretty coachable in that regard, which in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: order to be coachable you have to be able to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: vocalize an of course, I'm also that person in my
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: house where I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna do it. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: got it, you know, like.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: That's just big mom energy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: That's right, yes, And so.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: What I'm hearing you say is that you've been okay
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: at asking for help in your come up, especially when
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it come to your time on the track. Now when
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: it comes to receiving that help and then asking for
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it proactively.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Where are we?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Where are we? We're on a scaletle one to ten,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I'd say. Sometimes there's there's like we're close to a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: little break and then it's like, okay, actually, here's what
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know this, here's what's happening. You need to ask
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: for help. Yeah, it's one and the same where it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: still like how much of this is me about to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: go through a breakthrough or a breaking point? And sometimes
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: those lines are blurry and you know that you know
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that as an athlete, Emily like that. It's like you
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: are like, I need to Okay, I think I have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: another rep in me because I'm about to have a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: breakthrough or if I do this other rep, is this
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a breaking point? And so I think like that same
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: thing can be seen mentally, you know, and how much
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you can carry and how much you can take. But
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I think there's physical signs that my intuition does give
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: me that I need to lean into. Sometimes you like to,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, talk yourself out of what you're actually thinking,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: But I just think your body. I'm aware of my body,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and I think that I do a good job listening
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to my body. And in the regard of asking for
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: help now in a way where it's going to help elevate,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: whether it's the nonprofit or it's the house or you know, relationships,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I think that I'm I'm relatively good. On a scale
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of one to ten, I'll say I'll stick to the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: eight and stick to the eight.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: The concept of asking for help and getting better at
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: that is very similar to putting in the reps when
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: we talk about a workout, right when you get to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: this place where you realize I am I'm capable of
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the rep that maybe I didn't feel as though I
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: had it in me. Same goes again for asking for help.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I want to pivot us a little bit to talk
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: about an instance where I'm sure you needed to ask
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: for a lot of help, which was the beginning of
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: your nonprofit. Right you didn't have a background in working
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in this industry at all. You had a background as
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a professional athlete. This wasn't something that you initially aspired to,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So talk to me about what that was like from
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: conception to actually making this an official thing.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Oh my gosh. Well, you know, there was
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of behind the scenes sort of storytelling that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: was happening before we knew we were telling a story.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: It was just like showing up right and continuing to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: show up. And so that was you know, showing up
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: in pregnancy, showing up three years later again to kind
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of be like, we still need to have this conversation,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, doing the open and then a year
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: later was the nonprofit. But it's because I was like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: we're still having the conversation. We're not really doing anything
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: about the conversation we're having, right. So it was like
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: after the op ed came out and then Allison shared
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: her part of her story and then we were like
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: really on this sort of media tour about talking about
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the changes that we wanted to see and that we
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: really needed to see. I was like, Okay, we're still
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: we're still talking about it. What are we going to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: do about it? And it you know, yes, your girls,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it's got Google a little thud of tat tat on
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the keyboard, like, you know, we need to start start
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a nonprofit organization where we really are going to push brands, organizations, mgb's,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, players associations to really rally behind our women
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: athletes and allow for them to have real runway of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: what it could look like in the evolution of it
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a female bodied athlete. It doesn't have to include motherhood,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but if it does, what are we doing to protect them?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: And so the nonprofit organization is what made the most sense.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And so that that runway of thought. That was May
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: when I did that oft end and I hadn't thought
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: about a nonprofit yet, and then a year later a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: nonprofit was existing, and so it just was again it
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: was like looking through the work asking for some help,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: getting support from folks who had done nonprofit work before,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you know, filing. I was pregnant with my third by
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the way at this time, so that was the pressure
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I sort of. I was like, we need to have
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: this baby and that baby, like I need this to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: be done before this baby gets here, so that we
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: can actually see the change that we want, right and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that I can continue to work on it, and so yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that's just kind of how it worked out where I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: just kind of had support some friends where we did
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the research together. I pulled some folks in to sort
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: of helped me lay the groundwork of what it is
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that we wanted to see at the end of the day,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and that was really knowing that we needed to break
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: down societal berry that were stacked up against mothers. So
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, sports is just a piece of the puzzle,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and we get to use sports as this podium moment
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: for all mothers, but it isn't like the only piece
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of the puzzle. It's like we are facing larger systemic
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: barriers in the big picture of how we operate at
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: least here in the US, that we need to make
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: massive changes on.
• 30:27
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• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to it. I'm sure in that work,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: as you started to speak to different players, associations and
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: governing bodies, you were met with some of the same
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: resistance and frustrations that you had when you were outspoken
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: about the times that you were navigating contract SAT, Nike
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and ASEX. How did you show up in those spaces
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: with the confidence and determination to kind of charge through
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: those walls.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's fit. We're five years in now,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and so the beginning was an interesting time, by the way,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: because we launched in May of twenty twenty and that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was just a time, right, a time was had I had.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I just had my third baby. He was born in February.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Then we had shut down in March, and then I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: had a five year old and a two year old
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: at home and I was just like all of the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: things nursing. It was just a whole thing in twenty twenty.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, knowing that the starting point for
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: us was going to be narrative shift and talking about
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the importance of this work, why we're doing this, bringing
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: people into the fold, so we started there and then
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: building out our board. Getting Alison Felix, you know, on
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: our board was huge, and her input in her knowledge
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and her nowhere has been absolutely credible for us to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: also amplify our story and move it from just our
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: story to our work and amplify all of the stories
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: collectively that exists that are like every mother's story. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: then we moved into like the next phase of this,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like what is it that we want to see next
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: out of this? Now we need to kind of work
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: through policies, like what are the policies that we see
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: are trending that our barriers like we need to identify
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: what they are. And then continue and then start working
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: towards them. And so then that conversation that we started
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: having was maybe around year three where we started the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: work that we did with New York Roadrunners, which was like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: we have an opportunity to be in front of fifty
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: five thousand people that are across all sectors of industries,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: like you know, our running our run world is absolutely credible,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: but like one percent of them our professional athletes, but
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: all of them can understand barriers, that systemic barriers that
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: mother's face in the workforce. And so I think with
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: us being able to partner with an incredible organization like
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: New York ger Runners and to implement policies that we
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: want to see in like the workforce, which is like
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: lactation accommodations, that was like and just easy to kind
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of like, hey, let's implement something that shows mothers that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: we support them. And in the second year, the first year,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: people were learning it was there. In the second year,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it was like we had over we had over one
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: hundred people utilize the lactation accommodations because it was there,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, we are going to be supported
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to do this. We can show up and we're not
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: going to have like another the word barrier is just
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: going to keep another hurdle. We're not going to have
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: another hurdle to like you know, jump over in order
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: for us to participate. And so now rolling into this year,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: it's made this conversation the fourth year and to this year,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: it's made the conversation much easier in connecting with mgb's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and players associations because we've had the proof point of like,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: look at just providing infrastructure that shows mothers and families
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that you care about them. And then the need showed
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: up in a way where the need shod like was
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: obviously there, but then the people showed up. So it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: like if you build it, they will come. But it's
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: not even It was like the opposite was the chicken
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: or the egg. It was like the need actually needed.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: There needed to be a solution to the problem, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: so we created that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the New York Girl Runner's partnership. We started
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: this talking about the new initiative with Strava. If you
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: had to pinpoint a most rewarding moment thus far in
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: your advocacy work, what would that be?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, this was incredible. Honestly, I think this
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: is incredible. And again it's like our work is about
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: really breaking down barriers for all mothers. Like really, it's
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: just in the name, it's really what we're doing. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: so I have to admit something about myself. I am
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: very very bad with favorites. Your girl will be like, oh,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and then there was this time, and then this is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: really great and this is great too. So I think
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: fresh off of like our opportunity to give one hundred
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: fifty grand so away, give away one hundred thousand dollars
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: to our community that really touched mothers across all sectors,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: allow for them to have an opportunity to travel and
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: train for an endurance, you know, race of their choice.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Putting this money towards childcare, I think is pretty special.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It's pretty it's a pretty magical time. And part of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that for us was, you know, we were able to
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: put some money from our partnership with Strava towards the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: research which was you know, we did we did research
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that was like the race towards equity for pregnant and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: postpartum bodies, and had we not been able to have
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to finish that research, we also would not
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: have been able to understand like this is or at
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: least we knew it was a real need, but share
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: with companies like there's a need for this, so it
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: really lays some proof points to the research. So I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: think this magic moment that we're just facing and then
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: being able to be honored as Mother of the Year
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: with every Mother counts and Christy Turlington was absolutely huge.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Just being in honored for our work. I think actually
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: probably right now my favorite moment because it just is,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like I was telling you earlier, you know, there's a
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: lot of weight on I feel on my shoulders because
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I care about this work and I know that we
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: can do it, you know, and we just have to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: do it. To have it be seen really meant a
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: lot to me and meant a lot to our team.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It was really like, okay, you guys, you see us,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Like but it's not even about us
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: being seen. It's about us giving more visibility to the
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: barriers that mother's face and then breaking.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Them down entirely.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And you've been so vocal about the challenges and discrimination
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: faced by female athletes, and so to be recognized by
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: for this work is just so important, specifically pertaining to motherhood.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: So thinking forward, then if you had to identify perhaps
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: what some of the biggest systemic changes you'd like to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: see in this sports world could be, where does.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: One even begin.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I think our biggest project right now is our motherhood
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Penalty and sports research that we have out where we
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: can identify this sort of this not sort of this
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: bias that mother's face in the workforce that's already existing
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: sort of research that's been out there called the motherhood penalty,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: But what we're now doing is the motherhood Penalty and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: sport where we are getting all of our professional athletes,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: mothers and sports who can share their stories about any
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: sort of financial repercussions that they face because of their motherhood,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: but barriers walking back into the workforce because of their motherhood,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: physical barriers, any sort of like just like narrative stories
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that we're discriminatory because of their motherhood is like really
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: huge for us right now. The research is huge because again,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: we need to be able to identify what the barriers
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: are in order for us to create solutions. And when
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: we talk about what we need to see from others
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: in sports, we need to see access to affordable child's care,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: meaning you know, an athlete's contract should probably include like
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a allocated funds towards childcare if they are parents, and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that not just going for mothers, that's also for fathers.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, families happen in so many different ways.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: If you see our acronym, it's for all mothers. Fam
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: they happen in so many different ways. And we want
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to be able to give give a nod to the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: needs that families have and the infrastructure that we need
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: in order for us to do our best at work.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Like some some sports like Bob's let they're gone for
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: like months at a time. You know, we saw our
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: power moms compete at World Championships and win medals, you
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: know over there with you know, we had Kaylee Humphreys,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and we had Alana Meyers Taylor, and we had Jasmine
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and it was just it was that was absolutely incredible
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: to see those moms out there, but then also know
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: what their timeline looks like and then they were able
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: to bring their babies. We gave them a grant in
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: order for them to like support. Of course, it's like
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a drop in the hat of what we're able to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: kind of give. And we don't want to just be
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: putting you know the phrase of bandit over over a bullethole,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: but like it's as we continue to break down these
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: barriers and then get into mgb's and players association and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: help them see like, you know, hey, like this is
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: this use case. This is a serious use case, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: your athletes need this. That's one of them. Maternal protections
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and contracts you know that include not just the pregnancy
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and postpartum period, but also include things like support for
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: time needed for IVF and you know i UIs and
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: different means towards starting your family and growing your family.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And then I'd say lactation accommodations like having safe, respectable
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: opportunities to express your breast milk, have it stored and
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: set back to your baby if you are away without them,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I think is huge for athletes. And you know, we're
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: seeing more athletes talk about how they are feeding their babies.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: And you can feed your babies in so many ways,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: two ways, right, in more than one way. We don't
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: want to push women away from you know, expressing their
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: breast milk if they choose to, because there are barriers
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: for them in order to do that. And that's the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: same thing that we see in you know, the workforce
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: across many industries, and so I think if we can
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: break down those barriers at minimum, you know, maternity protections
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and contracts allowing there to be stipends for childcare and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: opportunities for childcare at venues would be really huge. And
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: then solutions for storing milk and chipping it back during
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: competition would be another opportunity for greatness.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Like nothing, we have nothing that we want to do here,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting here so enamored and inspired by you, And
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I hate using this word sometimes or asking how you
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: find it, because I actually don't believe that there is
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a way to accomplish balance when you feel so passionate
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: about so many things. But I think a better question
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: is how do you handle doing so many things? What
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: is it that you find helps you show up as
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: your best self in the different roles that you play,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to say that it's finding.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Balance, yeah, No, it's asking for help. Yeah. And I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: just having like deep belief in myself, you know, and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: like the goals that I believe are achievable, I just
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: have I have deep belief in my ability to achieve.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I just I really do and it isn't on my own.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I know that, especially because of my sports career understanding like, Okay,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: we need pet, we need a coach, we need a
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: strength you know, we need strength and conditioning coach. Like
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: what do we need in order for us to us
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to be successful? And that's another big thing I want
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to say, is like I recognize, you know I mentioned
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: just like my team earlier, it just isn't me, Like
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not capable of doing it on my own and
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: exercising gratitude in that regard of just like identifying power
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: players or so many of them, if we can just
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: team up for good, like like we can do so
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: many incredible things together, like we really and I know it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I've seen it, you know, in action. So that's that's
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: what gives me and ignites my fire to the work
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: that I'm doing in my household, if I just must
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: say it. My kids are bomb. I mean, they are
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: so funny, they have their own individual strengths, their wild
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and they teach me a lot about myself too. My
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: kids can tell me about myself. They can say, hey, Mom,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you know I didn't like the way you asked me
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: about this, And I'd be like, oh, my gosh, like
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that is really one emotionally sound and mature, and you're
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: right like allowing there to be a space for me
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to hear where I can do better.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: It takes a village.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I'm also hearing, Wow, what amazing parenting is happening in
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: your household that they have the skill set to communicate
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: in this way. And then I am reflecting on this
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: word success that you just said. What would you say
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: right now? Success looks like to you compared to maybe
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: when you were solely focused on athletics.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Bringing the fam together looks like success. And when I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: say that, it's like my family, the village, our community.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: That's been success for me. And if I can use
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: my podium moment to continue to bring the fam together,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: then I feel like I I will have been successful. Yeah,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: that's what I think. That's what it's about. I think
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: it's about family, and it happens in so many different ways.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: We got we need everybody in the village, right, We've
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: got Auntie, we got we got mom, we got dad.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: We you know what I mean, We really do need
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: each other. And so if I can just be you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a part of bringing people together towards you know, a
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: common good, then I will feel like I have been successful.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And I felt that also in my career as a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: professional athlete. It's like, if I can be a part
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: of this team in a way where I continue to
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: help bring us together towards a common goal, like that
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: feels successful, Like we had a good time out there.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: You said the for is podium moment, So I've got
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to talk about LA twenty eight do it Podium moments
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: on deck very delayed at this point. I know it
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: is very important for you to have your family there
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: for you when you are presented with your bronze medal.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: What feelings come to mind? What happens when you think
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: about finally getting everything that it is that you deserve.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: This is a good question, common question that's kind of
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: come up and over the last year, since you know,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the announcement that I was, you know, an Olympic bronze medalist,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I've had some time to sort of reflect on what
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: is it that I hope to see? And I cannot
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: guess a feeling that I'm going to have, but I
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: can say what I am I hope people see is
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: in the runway and lead up towards this podium moment
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: me pulling people together to come up with me, Like,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's giving me an opportunity to bring everybody
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that's been a part of this journey into the fold
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: but on top of the podium with me. And so
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that when I think about it like that, I feel
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: inspired by, Like my community, I feel inspired by, you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: people in so many different sectors that are putting in
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: work towards wellness, towards you know, holistic wellness, and that's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: like including maternal wellness. But I'm talking like everybody that
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I continue to have an opportunity to bring into my world.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I have expanded it quite a bit with sharing about
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: what I want to see in the next four years.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: And then I think what it's doing is it's opening
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: my eyes a little bit wider to seeing all of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the people who are helping effect change and who I
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: want to collaborate with and partner with and you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: take with me on this journey. So when I think
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: about that, I feel inspired and I feel empowered, and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I hope that I'm empowering other people to you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: keep doing fighting the good fight.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I know that you're empowering other people.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Speaking of feeling empowered, right now, someone comes to your
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Instagram page and they see the founder of this nonprofit
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: as well as an Olympian and very speedy athlete in
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: her prime. But when you look in the mirror, Alicia,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: what is it that you see looking back at you?
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm gosh. I see power, I see strength. I'm
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: proud of me, Like I I'm proud of me. I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: mean sometimes I'm like, well, we got to get rid
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of this ZiT over here. But for the most part,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm proud of me. I'm I don't
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: have I think I deserve every good thing that I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: have coming and that I have also.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Obtained inspirational human one that also empowers others just show
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: up to their own starting lines. You and I both
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: involved in every Woman's Marathon.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I know you have a charity team for that race.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: So has it been like for you getting involved in
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: that woman's initiative?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: When they first announced that they were going to be
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: doing an an all women's like every Woman's Marathon, I
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: was like, we got to get in there. This is
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like incredible one. It's an opportunity for us to continue
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: our work, right like you know, our dropping the hat
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: for our community is our lactation accommodations. But then also
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like you know, when this is a yes, yes and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a more of a yes right, it's like it is
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: about being supporting every woman. It is about being every woman.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You have it within you. And for us, like having
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: a charity team where we get to have one hundred people,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: bring one hundred people into our community, continue to learn
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: about our work and also fundraise for us is huge
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: for us, you know it can It allows for us
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to fundraise so that we can continue to do our work.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And not only that, it hits my major goal of
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: continuing to bring people into the fam and bring them
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: along with me towards you know, my podium moment. So yeah,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and I also get to like go and hang out
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: with you, which is gonna be really great.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. Scottsdale, here we come.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: It's so lately this through line has been a part
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: of so many of my conversations, which is articulating identifying
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: what is your personal philosophy And a multitude of times
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: in our conversation I'm hearing words like community and village
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and together and mantra. There's so much positivity and unity
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that I sense coming from you, and I feel so
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: inspired by that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. We can't do it. I said
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: this before. We can't do it alone. And I grew
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: up with a really big family. I'm so lucky. My
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: grandma had ten kids, you know. My I'm very close
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: to my aunts, my uncles, my cousins, and I know
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: what it feels like to have a community rallying behind
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you that I also want to create a space where
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: people feel they are also being rallied behind, because I
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: know everybody doesn't have that environment. And that's my favorite,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: My favorite thing about being a part of the sports community,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: about the movement community is like it's like that who
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: everybody gets a who rah. You know, everybody gets a
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: hoo rah. You get an opportunity to hear people's backgrounds
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: or stories what motivates them to move, and it's just
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I just know it's about community. I know it's about
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: the village. I know it's about family. And it's also
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: what has motivated me to not allow for anyone to
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: tell me that I didn't deserve to also have my
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: family in the sense that I have my family within
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: my four walls. You know, like I I believe very much.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: So that you know, family happens in so many different ways,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and one of the ways that I wanted to have
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: my family was by way of expanding that by having
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: children of my own if I could. And I'm so
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: lucky that I was able to do that.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's gotta be crazy, not only as
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: these opportunities arrive bolstered by all of your hard work,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: but then also to hear from women in the community
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: who are reaping the benefits of that hard work. How
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: does it feel for you when you get these direct messages,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: these emails getting stopped on the street.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I try not to be like cry like all
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: the time, but I get like immediately the little well
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: and they're stuck it back in, absorb it back into
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: your body and just say thank you. Oh my gosh,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Like I'm so happy to hear. But I love when
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: people connect with me. I am that's my personality, Like
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I am a people person. And to also know that
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: people are plugged into my story, our work. It also
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: like I reinvest my time and my energy into them too,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: So I'll be like, what are you working on? And
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like cool, now following this work that you're doing.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: But I also I just kind of think that's the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: connectivity point and like how we're supposed to be. Otherwise
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: we would just kind of we would be in this
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: world by ourselves. Yeah, but it makes me feel like again,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: we're ignited to continue this work knowing that we're not
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: done yet. And I mean, we hope to put ourselves
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: out of work, right like that's the goal of a
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: nonprofit organization, but we do have quite a bit of
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: work to do, and it just lets me know that
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: people like need this work, that we're.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Doing quite a bit of work to do. What are
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: you excited for right now?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for everyone's marathon. I'm excited to invite folks
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: to apply to be on our team. We've got a
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: hundred bibs y'all. So if you're looking for a race
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and you're you want to support our cause, like, we'd
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: love to have you on the team. Another thing that
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: we're really excited about is we have launched our Motherhood
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Penalty in Sports research, which I was telling you about.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: We are about to deploy our preliminary findings. We do
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: have till the end of the year to sort of
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: solicit our favorite professional athletes, mothers and sports whoever it is,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: If you're interested in being a part of this research project,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: it's only going to help us inform our gold standard
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: for contractual language provisions. And that's about protecting your finances
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  Speaker 1: as a professional sports mother or a professional mother in sports.
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  Speaker 1: And so really just to give a quick background on
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: what it is, it's we want for us to be
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  Speaker 1: able to push organizations to respond in a way that
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: protects your financial pay in your contracts, your compensation because
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: you deserve it. So if you want to be a
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  Speaker 1: part of our cold hard data study what we're doing
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: with Carlton University, you can head over to our social
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: media page or our website for All Mothers or to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of that research. So we need you
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  Speaker 1: and we are doing this so that we can help
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  Speaker 1: change the landscape for all mothers.
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  Speaker 3: We love that.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing that I'm really excited about is that
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  Speaker 1: the grant that we mentioned with Strava, we still are
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: taking applications. So that's the child's care so they can
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: get out there. Grant two thousand dollars going to fifty moms.
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  Speaker 1: You have until June first to apply, So that's exciting,
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  Speaker 1: pretty magical moment. Thank you so much to Strava for
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: allowing us to, you know, give the moms an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: that they deserve.
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  Speaker 3: So beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so stoked, and of course you know I love
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the fam at Strava. Right now, Alicia, you have an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice. Let's go
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: gosh back in those rooms you're sitting there being told
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: that you have less value because you are exercising your
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: human right to be a mother. Knowing what you know now,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: thinking back on all of your experiences, what advice would
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you offer yourself during that hurdle moment?
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  Speaker 1: M girl, you know what to do. Keep showing up,
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  Speaker 1: keep doing you.
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  Speaker 2: We need you, We need you. I'm so happy that
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: we were able to do this, Alicia. For those that
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: don't follow along with you just yet, give me the details?
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  Speaker 3: How do they find you?
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  Speaker 1: On the internets and all of the interweb. You can
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: find me on probably Instagram, the most just my name
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Alicia Montano at Lisa Montano A L Y s I
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  Speaker 1: A M O N T A n O. You can
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: support an organization at www dot Forallmothers dot org and
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: also follow the org on ap for all mothers. Love it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I'm over at Emilybody and at Hurdle Podcast. Another hurdle conquered.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes,