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TRAIL-MOM RACHEL MORIN'S BLUDGEON-KILLER BUSTED: MOM BREAKS SILENCE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Trail Mom, Rachel Morn's bludgeon
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Speaker 1: killer busted and with us Tonight, Rachel's mother breaks her silence.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Trail Mom. Rachel Morin's killer caught in a Tulsa bar.
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Speaker 2: The suspect, Victor Hernandez, on the run from his native
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Speaker 2: El Salvador for yet another murder. Today, Rachel Morin's mom
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Speaker 2: speaks out, you know, everywhere.
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Speaker 1: I look, I see him. I see him everywhere I look.
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Speaker 1: Why do I have to keep seeing him? I want
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Speaker 1: to see Rachel Moron Beautiful on the inside, beautiful on
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Speaker 1: the outside, no question about that. But in my mind,
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Speaker 1: more important than her striking view, she is the mother
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Speaker 1: of five, the mother of five children, and before that,
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Speaker 1: she was a daughter to a wonderful mom, Patty Mourn,
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Speaker 1: Miss Moran, thank you for being with.
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Speaker 3: Us, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: The big news across every banner is that Rachel's killer
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Speaker 1: has been caught, But there's so much more to this story.
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Speaker 1: Ms Moran. How did you learn that Rachel's killer had
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Speaker 1: been caught? Because this was a man hunt like no other,
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Speaker 1: crossing borders all the way to Old Salvador.
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Speaker 3: Actually, the sheriff department reached out to our family and
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Speaker 3: had set up a meeting in their office to let
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Speaker 3: us know that they had identified the suspect and that
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Speaker 3: they were in the process of trying to locate him.
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Speaker 3: So at the time we weren't allowed to say anything.
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Speaker 3: They showed us a picture of him, and then we
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Speaker 3: were expecting that it would still take some time, but miraculously,
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Speaker 3: within hours after they informed us, they were able to
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Speaker 3: locate him and apprehend him.
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Speaker 1: Looking at this guy, he looks like somebody you might
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Speaker 1: pass on the way to the subway or at the
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Speaker 1: grocery store. Little did everyone know, this guy with the
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Speaker 1: big smile laid in wait to catch Rachel, mother of five,
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Speaker 1: and she walked around the bend of the Ma and
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Speaker 1: Paw trail there near bel Air, Maryland. As you can see,
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Speaker 1: the bend in the trail gives him perfect cover. He's
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Speaker 1: like a hyena waiting at the water pool, waiting for
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Speaker 1: the beautiful gazelle to come by and then pounds just waiting.
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Speaker 1: Rachel had no idea what would befall her that day
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Speaker 1: tracking this guy. This guy Victor Antonio Martinez her Nandez
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Speaker 1: was no easy thing. Listen, if he's come.
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Speaker 4: Under the radar through Haida, that means they may have
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Speaker 4: already had pre incident contact with this guy on other
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Speaker 4: types of crimes, narcotics investigations, or something to that effect.
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Speaker 4: The fact that the sheriff mentioned them the other day
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Speaker 4: as a partner who assisted in this case, that threw
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Speaker 4: me a red flag that, Okay, this guy had been
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Speaker 4: in this country and now that big question is what
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Speaker 4: was he doing. Was he running dope? You know? Was
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Speaker 4: he working for somebody? And maybe this is what gave
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Speaker 4: him the availability to travel around the United States and
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Speaker 4: how he ended up in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to Rachel's mother Patty, is renowned
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from La. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I've tried so many cases where the victim was involved
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Speaker 1: in wrongdoing. I've tried a lot of drug cases that
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Speaker 1: turned into homicide cases. But there are those singular cases.
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Speaker 1: There are those cases that strike me where it's such
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Speaker 1: a dichotomy of good versus evil. You have Rachel mourn young, beautiful, happy,
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Speaker 1: a fantastic mother. And you know how I feel, Bethany.
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Speaker 1: There is no greater compliment to me than someone saying,
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Speaker 1: you know what, you're really a good mom. She devoted
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Speaker 1: herself to five children. You got her, and you got
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Speaker 1: this guy just trucking a lawn. Martinez Hernandez already killed
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Speaker 1: one person in El Salvador, sneaks over here, somewhere in
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Speaker 1: the timeline, he sex assaults a nine year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Bethany, doctor Bethany, there are more victims,
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Speaker 1: be they in Virginia, in California, in Tulsa, where he
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Speaker 1: was apprehended, I'm not sure, but I do know this.
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Speaker 1: These are not his only victims. The dichotomy I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: You've got Rachel Morin, just beautiful, just beloved by her family,
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Speaker 1: her mother, who is with us today, and you got
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Speaker 1: this guy. And it makes me wonder this age old question,
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Speaker 1: why to our very best people fall victim to people
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Speaker 1: like Hernandez.
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Speaker 5: Yes, good and evil, it's right there. And what I
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Speaker 5: really am struck by in this case is that this
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Speaker 5: perpetrator is what I would call poly perverse, and so
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Speaker 5: this makes this guy very, very dangerous. And the other
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Speaker 5: thing Nancy. That strikes me is the enormous amount of
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Speaker 5: energy that goes into these crimes. This guy is not
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Speaker 5: just you know, in one town or one village and
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Speaker 5: you know, just sneaking out at night and killing or
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Speaker 5: raping somebody. This guy is traveling all over the world.
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Speaker 5: So if he hadn't been caught, we could have had
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Speaker 5: a total killing spree.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what you mean by could have
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Speaker 1: had a total killing spree. I've got a victim, and
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Speaker 1: El Salvador dead, Rachel morn is dead, a nine year
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Speaker 1: old girl has been raped, and I guarantee you there
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Speaker 1: are more dead bodies in his wake. And the real
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Speaker 1: reason this guy has been caught before he could kill
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Speaker 1: again is because of Rachel Morin and the publicity and
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Speaker 1: the intent, the iron will her mother had to see
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Speaker 1: this thing through. I don't know how many more victims
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Speaker 1: there would be. So I do know who and what
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Speaker 1: Rachel Morin is. She is the lady that moms want
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Speaker 1: their girls to grow up and be. That's who Rachel
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Speaker 1: Moren is. Who is this guy? Listen?
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Speaker 6: Five hours after meeting with the family and just before
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Speaker 6: midnight our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our
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Speaker 6: federal partners located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.
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Speaker 6: So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured
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Speaker 6: on the screens is a twenty year twenty three year
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Speaker 6: old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the border
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Speaker 6: into the United States in February of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Ms Morn, could you tell to our listeners who is Rachel?
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Speaker 1: I guess the backdrop of who is this guy? Her Nandez.
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Speaker 3: Well, Rachel from birth on has been this little spark,
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Speaker 3: like a little fireball. I remember her being like fourteen
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Speaker 3: fifteen months old, and she's very petite, fair skin, bright
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Speaker 3: orange hair, and she just loved life. She loved learning
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Speaker 3: new things. Everything excited her. The excitement wasn't learning, but
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Speaker 3: also she was very sensitive. She cared about people, She
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Speaker 3: cared about people's feelings. She was very compassionate. She grew
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Speaker 3: up to be just a wonderful woman. Balanced. I loved
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Speaker 3: her because she has a strong sense of herself and
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Speaker 3: she didn't have a problem disagreeing with mom because Mom's
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Speaker 3: a little older and more traditional that she was. But
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Speaker 3: that's what made her who she was. She knew who
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Speaker 3: she was. She loved her children. She devoted herself to
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Speaker 3: her children. She was a hard worker.
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Speaker 1: Ms Mouran, can you tell me about Rachel's children and
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Speaker 1: how they have been responding to mommy being gone.
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Speaker 3: Yes, in the beginning, it was they lived in denial.
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Speaker 3: They couldn't understand why she was gone. They couldn't understand
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Speaker 3: why she couldn't come back. She has an autistic daughter
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Speaker 3: who's high on the spectrum, and her daughter just kept saying,
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Speaker 3: I just want my friend back, and she couldn't understand
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Speaker 3: that she couldn't come back to her. I know that
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Speaker 3: they've been getting a counseling and help processing this, but
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Speaker 3: I think that it's going to be a long time
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Speaker 3: because they're still so young and so at different points
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Speaker 3: in their growth and in their maturity. They're going to
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Speaker 3: come back to this and kind of reprocess it. So
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Speaker 3: I think this is going to be a long term
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Speaker 3: thing for her children.
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Speaker 1: Patty. How old is her youngest eight years old? There
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Speaker 1: are five of them. Have they been kept together or
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Speaker 1: did they have to be separated?
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Speaker 3: There's five, they're all separated. Her oldest daughter has been
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Speaker 3: living with her fiance for the past two years or so,
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Speaker 3: and they're actually expecting their first baby, so Rachel's missing
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Speaker 3: the birth for first granddaughter. Then two of her children,
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Speaker 3: the next two in age, are with their father, which
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Speaker 3: is about an hour away from the rest of the family,
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Speaker 3: and then the youngest live in the area, so they
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Speaker 3: live with their fathers in separate places. But they do
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Speaker 3: try to come together a couple of times a month
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Speaker 3: to hang out for a weekend and to be with
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Speaker 3: each other. But it's very, very disheartening to have such
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Speaker 3: a broken up family.
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Speaker 1: You know, until I had the twins, you know, I
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Speaker 1: would hear people talk about the best thing that ever
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Speaker 1: happened to them was having a grandchild and being there
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Speaker 1: the significance of being there when the grandchild came. Of course,
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Speaker 1: my children have just turned sixteen. But the thought that
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be there to help my daughter when she
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Speaker 1: has a baby, or to help my son, it's devastating.
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Speaker 1: The most important thing that happens to them in their
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Speaker 1: life and she's not going to be there, and that
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Speaker 1: child is not going to have her And when I
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Speaker 1: think about this woman, when I think about Rachel Moore,
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Speaker 1: and I was first when I heard about her murder.
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Speaker 1: I was just struck by her incredible physical beauty. But
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Speaker 1: the more I learned about her, she was completely devoted
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Speaker 1: to those children. And who is he listened?
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Speaker 6: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better
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Speaker 6: life for himself or for his family. He came here
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Speaker 6: to escape the crime he committed No Salvador. He came
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Speaker 6: here and murdered Rachel and God willing no one else.
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Speaker 4: But that should have never been allowed to happen.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Rachel Mooren's mother speaking out.
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Speaker 1: Patty Mooren along with her life lawyer, also joining us
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Speaker 1: Randolph Rice, who is the family lawyer? I might add
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill joining me in addition to doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill reporter, investigative reporter of Fox forty five in
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Speaker 1: Baltimore and former police officer in Private Eye. He's the
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Speaker 1: author of playbook to a Murder. Vincent, thank you for
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Speaker 1: joining us. I want to try and explain, but you're
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Speaker 1: very familiar with the path. How this guy, a predator,
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Speaker 1: already murdered one woman back in El Salvador, already attacked
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Speaker 1: a mother and a nine year old little girl. How
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Speaker 1: he is waiting along this trail. And this is not
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Speaker 1: a trail where nobody can say, you know, Vincent, how
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Speaker 1: people love to say, oh, I would never have gone
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Speaker 1: walking on that trail by myself or everybody feels in
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Speaker 1: the blank right there. It drives me crazy. So they
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Speaker 1: can differentiate themselves from a violent crime victim because it
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Speaker 1: makes you feel safe. That's not going to happen to you.
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Speaker 1: But this trail, Ma and Paw Trail, it's a family trail.
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Speaker 1: Families are on it all the time. If you look
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Speaker 1: past those trees, there's an apartment complex and people access
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Speaker 1: it all the time. And I just want to point
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Speaker 1: out there is no way to insinuate that Rachel Moore
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Speaker 1: and in any way was acting negligently or recklessly. I
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Speaker 1: want to dispel that myth because I've heard it. It's
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Speaker 1: not true.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: I mean, if Rachel had any inkling that something would
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Speaker 7: have been best on that trail, given her size, given
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Speaker 7: the fact that she was alone, she wouldn't have been there.
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Speaker 7: But on that particular day, I'm sure there were hundreds
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Speaker 7: of people out because the weather was nice. This guy
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Speaker 7: was lying in wait. He had been to that trail
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Speaker 7: he'd maybe even seen Rachel before, because we know that
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Speaker 7: he had been in Maryland for quite some time before
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Speaker 7: he did what he he did. So Rachel was just
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Speaker 7: going about her day and unfortunately she was in the
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Speaker 7: wrong place at the wrong time, and she came across
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Speaker 7: Victor Martinez, which ended her life.
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Speaker 1: You know, Vincent, I want to address something that you
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Speaker 1: just said. Of course, everything you said is usual, is accurate,
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Speaker 1: but you said, and I think it's because Rachel's mother
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Speaker 1: is with us. You said, he and you pause, did
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Speaker 1: what he did. I've had to look jury's in the face,
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Speaker 1: little old ladies sitting on the jury and tell them
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Speaker 1: what happened. Rachel's mother knows what happened. You think I
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Speaker 1: want to hurt her. We have to be blunt. What
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Speaker 1: he did. He did what he did, you said, after
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Speaker 1: a long pause. He staked her, He saw her, He
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Speaker 1: bludgeoned her, He beat in her face, and he raped her,
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Speaker 1: and he left her all that trail naked. He stole
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Speaker 1: this mother from her children in the most brutal fashion,
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Speaker 1: like an animal. That is what he did. And there's
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Speaker 1: no way to sugarcoate it. There's no way to airbrush
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Speaker 1: it or massage it into something else, and because of Rachel,
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Speaker 1: we know who he is and he is behind bars.
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Speaker 1: This is what happened. Listen.
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Speaker 8: There was a bend in the trail that most likely
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Speaker 8: was used by the individual who attacked Rachel on the
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Speaker 8: trail pulled her through the wooded area into this drainage
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Speaker 8: culvert where she ultimately lost her life.
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Speaker 9: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That
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Speaker 9: DNA was analyzed by the Maryland State Police and it
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Speaker 9: was ran.
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Speaker 4: Through National Code System.
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Speaker 9: DNA evidence is I mean this NA and it has
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Speaker 9: come back as a match tied to a home invasion
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Speaker 9: and assault and an assault of a young girl in
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Speaker 9: Los Angeles this past March. Unfortunately, that suspect has not
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Speaker 9: been positively identified, but he did leave behind.
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Speaker 1: His DNA and that was then. This is now we
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Speaker 1: got him due to an extensive manhunt and incredible work
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Speaker 1: by lab scientists in genetic genealogy, cutting edge DNA, we
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Speaker 1: have Hernandez. I want to go to our special guest,
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Speaker 1: Patty Moren. This is Rachel's mother, Ms. Mouran. Yes, I'm
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Speaker 1: so sorry what you've lived through, but I know you're
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Speaker 1: going to be front and center when this goes to trial.
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Speaker 1: How many times have you let yourself lived through what
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Speaker 1: Rachel experienced.
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Speaker 3: It's an every day thing. Sad to say, it's I know.
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Speaker 3: Part of grieving is you have to face the facts
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Speaker 3: and you have to process them. And until they apprehended
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Speaker 3: the suspect, it was easy to kind of live and
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Speaker 3: deny a little bit. But now that they have a suspect,
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Speaker 3: it makes all the facts true and you have to
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Speaker 3: face the truth and accept it. And so you have
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Speaker 3: to rethink what you've been told and process those thoughts
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Speaker 3: and put a timeline to it.
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Speaker 10: And it's very.
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Speaker 3: It's it's like it's it's.
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Speaker 10: So painful and grieving to think what my daughter experienced
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Speaker 10: and that there was no one there to help her.
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Speaker 10: You know, as moms, we want.
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Speaker 3: To protect our children and have something so unexpected to happen,
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Speaker 3: and for us just not to be there, not able
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Speaker 3: to help.
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Speaker 10: It's been a very it's.
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Speaker 3: Just been it's been very hard.
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Speaker 10: And when the.
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Speaker 3: UH court hearings do begin, it's my plan to be
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Speaker 3: there because I wasn't there to protect her or to
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Speaker 3: help her, but I want to be there after the fact,
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Speaker 3: I guess to make sure that absolutely everything is done
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Speaker 3: for her and that nothing is left undone.
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Speaker 1: Randolph, I'm so glad you're there with Ms. Moran. I'm
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Speaker 1: just so glad you're there. Randolph, Rice's high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: that's working with the Moron family. Just let me go
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Speaker 1: to Chris mcdonna. He is the director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Foundation. He has been working on this case and
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Speaker 1: investigating on his own as we all have been. Former
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Speaker 1: homicide detective with no less than three hundred homicide investigations
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Speaker 1: under his belt. I found him on YouTube on the
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Speaker 1: interview room during the Coburger investigation and was struck by
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Speaker 1: his knowledge is intimate familiarity with not only that case,
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Speaker 1: but the workings of a courtroom. And Chris mcdonna, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you ever let yourself think about the
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Speaker 1: suffering of the victims that you and I have represented
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Speaker 1: our whole careers, if you can call what we do
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Speaker 1: a career. But Chris, I'm listening to Miss Moran, and
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Speaker 1: I have never been quite as brave as she is
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Speaker 1: being today, because when I think about my fiance's murder,
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Speaker 1: what happened in those moments that he was killed, I
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Speaker 1: stop myself because to this day it gives me an
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Speaker 1: intense headache, a horrible headache when I start reliving what
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Speaker 1: I think happened. Crime victims never get away from it,
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Speaker 1: and I can't. Now that I've got children, I can't
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Speaker 1: imagine what a parent goes through. You Heardel. You heard
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Speaker 1: Rachel's mom describing you can't be there for your child,
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Speaker 1: your baby, you can't help them. It's excruciating. How do
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Speaker 1: you separate yourself from that? Chris?
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Speaker 4: You know I lost a child in two thousand and three,
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Speaker 4: and I don't think anybody quite understands, like Nancy's explaining
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Speaker 4: about the death of her fiance, what depth of pain
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Speaker 4: you can get to. But here's the other good news.
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Speaker 4: You can get through it, and you can empower yourself
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Speaker 4: that her life makes a difference to perhaps somebody else's family,
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Speaker 4: that this never happens again to anybody else, that they
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Speaker 4: have to experience what you're experiencing. So it does. You
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Speaker 4: will be able to get through it.
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Speaker 11: And you know, I know that Nancy's given you an
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Speaker 11: amazing platform here to tell the nation. You know how
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Speaker 11: you're going to do that, and I commend you for
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Speaker 11: saying what you've said.
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Speaker 12: Even this morning, I will personally be leading the prosecution
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Speaker 12: of this case. While the defendant is innocent until and
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Speaker 12: unless he has proven guilty, Arford County and our neighboring
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Speaker 12: communities can rest assured that my office will take all
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Speaker 12: steps necessary to ensure that justice is served for Rachel
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Speaker 12: Morin and her family.
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Speaker 1: Thank Heaven, there is a prosecutor with some backbone that
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Speaker 1: will go after this case. But the case isn't done.
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Speaker 1: The case is still being built.
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Speaker 6: Listen, We're still looking for information. He was in this
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Speaker 6: area for at least some period of time, and when
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Speaker 6: I say the area, he was in the bel Air
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Speaker 6: area for some period of time before or right after
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Speaker 6: the homicide.
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Speaker 3: We're both So if people.
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Speaker 6: Still have information, and now that there's a name to
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Speaker 6: put with the face, the investigators still want to talk
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Speaker 6: to you. We still want to know. We still want
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Speaker 6: to build that timeline because there is a case to prosecute.
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Speaker 6: We want to put all the pieces together so that
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Speaker 6: Miss Healy can do her job most successfully and again
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Speaker 6: ensure this guy never sees the light of day.
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Speaker 1: And in that Vein says, the case is still being built.
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Speaker 1: Here's the tip line toll free eight eight eight five
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Speaker 1: four zero eight four seven seven repeat eight eight eight
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Speaker 1: five four zero eight four seven seven. This case has
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Speaker 1: got to be fleshed out. There's got to be more
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Speaker 1: than DNA to present to a jury. Eyewitnesses, someone that
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Speaker 1: knew him before leading up to the murder of this
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Speaker 1: mother of five. Where did he go when he left
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Speaker 1: that trail? What did he do with his clothing? Where
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Speaker 1: did he wash his clothes? Where was he living? These
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Speaker 1: and other facts are very very important. Did he have
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Speaker 1: scratches to his face, his neck, his arms? What can
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Speaker 1: we find out? We've all seen cases that are strictly
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Speaker 1: DNA cases that have been eviscerated by a good defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: That cannot happen in this case. That cannot happen in
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Speaker 1: this case. I want to go to special guests joining
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Speaker 1: us In addition to Rachel's mother, it's Randolph Rice, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer who is helping the Morin family through this. Randolph,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know I tried
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Speaker 1: a drug lord and the night he was arrested, I'll
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Speaker 1: never forget it. He was wearing ah on Michael Jackson,
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Speaker 1: a bright red leather jacket and matching pants, the highest
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Speaker 1: Italian leather. He was wearing a red shirt underneath it,
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Speaker 1: and he was wearing red they had to be five
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars tennis shoes. Okay had a red hat. Of course,
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Speaker 1: that said guess what he wore. Of course he made
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Speaker 1: bond because he had millions of dollars drug money. But
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Speaker 1: guess what he wore day one to the trial. Just guess, yes,
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Speaker 1: same thing. And that is what one of the witnesses
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Speaker 1: had described a red jacket, a red leather jacket. What
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is not just about the hat, Randolph Rice.
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Speaker 1: It's the fingerprint nature of the crimes, the similarities. In
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Speaker 1: both cases, he lie in wait for the right moment.
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Speaker 1: In both cases, he attacked a female. In both cases,
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Speaker 1: he's wearing the same thing. In both cases, there was
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Speaker 1: physical brutality. In both cases. He makes off casually. He
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Speaker 1: walked out of that house like he owned it. And
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you he did the same thing in Rachel's murder.
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Speaker 1: The similarities of these cases, and there's going to be more.
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Speaker 1: I just wonder if the case knows Salvador is as
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Speaker 1: similar as that can be brought in at trial as
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Speaker 1: a similar transaction. I mean, if we're going to go
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Speaker 1: Randolph Rice, let us go all the way.
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Speaker 13: Ye Now, you're right, and it's you know, as a
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Speaker 13: former prosecutor and back in the day when I had
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Speaker 13: a little less gray hair, I remember prepping for these
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Speaker 13: types of cases. And you're right. You have got to
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Speaker 13: put together a timeline of where he was leading up
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Speaker 13: to this and where he was after because there could
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Speaker 13: be patterns, there could be similarities going to this sort
27:23
Speaker 13: of idea. We've talked about this with Patty and the family.
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Speaker 13: You know, this gentleman. When he gets back to Maryland,
27:29
Speaker 13: they're going to take him before a judge. They're going
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Speaker 13: to have a bond hearing. We know he obviously is
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Speaker 13: not going to be released, so he'll be held pending trial.
27:38
Speaker 13: And then it starts with these scheduling conferences as to
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Speaker 13: when they're going to have motions hearings and when they're
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Speaker 13: going to have trial dates. And I'm sure there'll be
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Speaker 13: continuous postponents because you know, he'll probably want to want
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Speaker 13: to push this thing out to try to figure out
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Speaker 13: some other way out of this, but he's obviously behind bars.
27:57
Speaker 13: But there's two options that he's going to have to
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Speaker 13: make a decision, and that's going to make this case
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Speaker 13: very different in both those decisions. One is he can
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Speaker 13: take a plea if the state offers one to him.
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Speaker 13: That will make this very quick. I think it will
28:09
Speaker 13: make it a lot less painful. I hope you know,
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Speaker 13: because it won't be dragged out for the family. But
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Speaker 13: the other option is is that he can elect to
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Speaker 13: have a trial either before a judge or before a jury,
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Speaker 13: and that in those scenarios that prosecutor Alison Heally and
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Speaker 13: I've known Alison for a very very long time since
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Speaker 13: I started practicing law. She is going to be ready.
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Speaker 4: She's going to be prepared.
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Speaker 13: Here's a great thing about Hartford County, and I say
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Speaker 13: this as an advantage. They probably have about six or
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Speaker 13: seven homicides a year. Now you would think, oh, that's
28:39
Speaker 13: it's not a lot. And that's a good thing in
28:41
Speaker 13: this situation because it allows them to focus laser focus
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Speaker 13: on each case and give it the attention it deserves.
28:49
Speaker 13: And I guarantee you they're going to be laser focused
28:51
Speaker 13: with a team. They have an amazing team they've assembled
28:54
Speaker 13: from various jurisdictions when they built this prosecutor. Prosecutor's Office
28:59
Speaker 13: went out, Wilson was elected, So they're going to have
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Speaker 13: a laser team ready to go after this suspect, but
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Speaker 13: they're going to have to put together a timeline as
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Speaker 13: to what happened before and.
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Speaker 1: After crime stories with Nancy Grace miss Morning, we keep
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Speaker 1: saying the case is just starting, and it is because
29:28
Speaker 1: trial preparation is just as intense as an investigation and
29:32
Speaker 1: tracking down a killer. I'm just wondering how you're getting
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Speaker 1: through each day. How do you put your head on
29:42
Speaker 1: the pillow, How do you make yourself fall asleep when
29:46
Speaker 1: you wake up in the morning, what makes you get
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Speaker 1: out of bed?
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Speaker 3: Actually I haven't really slept at all in the last
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Speaker 3: ten months because you just you think about Rachel's life.
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Speaker 3: You think about all the details before she was murdered,
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Speaker 3: and you think, is there any little detail that I
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Speaker 3: missed that could help in some way? And so up
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Speaker 3: until the suspect was apprehended, that's the way my days
30:20
Speaker 3: were like, literally day and night. Is there anything that
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Speaker 3: I missed in her life that could have been helpful
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Speaker 3: in finding the suspect? And now that they have apprehended him,
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Speaker 3: there is now a sense of relief where before, to
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Speaker 3: be honest, I was afraid to go to sleep at night,
30:48
Speaker 3: not that I look like my daughter anyway, but I
30:51
Speaker 3: was just as a woman. I just felt afraid, and
30:54
Speaker 3: I know our community did as well, especially the women,
30:58
Speaker 3: And so we've feel a sigh of relief, but now
31:03
Speaker 3: it's still feeling exhausted and thinking what more can I
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Speaker 3: do to help my daughter on this side of the investigation.
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Speaker 10: Is there.
31:21
Speaker 3: Is there anything that law enforcement might need from me
31:26
Speaker 3: that would be of help. But I think the most
31:29
Speaker 3: important thing is just letting people know that if you've
31:33
Speaker 3: seen this person, have any interaction with him in any
31:38
Speaker 3: way over the past year, to contact our local law enforcement,
31:44
Speaker 3: the sheriff department, so that they can put those last
31:47
Speaker 3: couple of puzzle pieces together to make this a very
31:54
Speaker 3: solid and concise case. I'm sure that it's going to
31:59
Speaker 3: that it's very well put together now. I just don't
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Speaker 3: want anything left undone. I hope that answers your question.
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Speaker 1: It does? It does Chris McDonald joining me veteran law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what Patty Rachel Morin's mom is just saying.
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Speaker 1: I know there are going to be other crimes to
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Speaker 1: connect him to, but I want to focus right now
32:24
Speaker 1: on the prosecution in the Rachel Moron murder, and we
32:29
Speaker 1: need to fill in all the blanks leading up to
32:32
Speaker 1: and after the time of Rachel's murder and attack. The
32:36
Speaker 1: best way, of course is DNA, and his DNA has
32:39
Speaker 1: already been entered into the National DNA data Bank. But
32:43
Speaker 1: there is also the fingerprint data bank, where he may
32:48
Speaker 1: not have left DNA or the DNA may not have
32:51
Speaker 1: been preserved. There's a possibility of a fingerprint match offer instance,
32:55
Speaker 1: a burglary that turned into an aggravated assault, or rate
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Speaker 1: fingerprint on a car, a fingerprint anywhere that I can
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Speaker 1: connect him to a crime, and also a digital fingerprint. Okay,
33:10
Speaker 1: this guy is, as we say now, a migrant, that's
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Speaker 1: what we're saying. Nobody is saying illegal alien apparently, so
33:22
Speaker 1: we're not going to track him through his credit card
33:25
Speaker 1: or his Social Security number. That's not happening. But I
33:29
Speaker 1: guarantee you this. I guarantee you he had a top
33:33
Speaker 1: of the line iPhone or Android. Okay, this guy is
33:39
Speaker 1: involved with a gang. He is in a gang notorious
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Speaker 1: for crime. I'm sure you prosecuted gang cases I did.
33:51
Speaker 1: They're like a pack of animals. Human life means nothing
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Speaker 1: to them. And I guarantee you he was tricked out
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Speaker 1: with the best phone to keep in touch with his
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Speaker 1: gang buddies. All right, that's a way to trace him
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Speaker 1: where he has been, what he has been doing.
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Speaker 14: Yes, No, you are one hundred percent right, Nancy, that
34:13
Speaker 14: if this guy, you know, we first of all, we
34:17
Speaker 14: have some good information here number one, that he committed
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Speaker 14: this ferocious crime in El Salvador, and then at some
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Speaker 14: point he must have crossed, you know, into this country.
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Speaker 4: The question is how many times and did they ever
34:31
Speaker 4: have contact with him? And if so, how does he
34:34
Speaker 4: make it to la And that gang connection that you're
34:37
Speaker 4: talking about is probably the most logical connection to this thing,
34:42
Speaker 4: because that neighborhood where that first attack occurred is in
34:47
Speaker 4: the seventy seventh division of LAPD. That is one rough neighborhood.
34:53
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, I've been there and we've served
34:56
Speaker 4: many search warrants there. And so how does he blend
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Speaker 4: into that circumstance and that gang affiliation is probably the
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Speaker 4: most likely that would make him a chameleon within that environment,
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Speaker 4: and why he was hidden for as long as he
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Speaker 4: has while on the run.
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Speaker 2: Trail Mom Rachel Morin's killer caught in a Tulsa bar.
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Speaker 2: The suspect Victor Hernandez on the run from his native
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Speaker 2: El Salvador for yet another murder. Today, Rachel Morin's mom
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Speaker 2: speaks out.
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Speaker 1: Now we are learning, according to those inside the investigation,
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Speaker 1: that this guy Hernandez has crossed the border at least
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Speaker 1: three times in the last two months. Okay, when you
35:46
Speaker 1: walk through the park and you see a little squirrel
35:51
Speaker 1: or a rabbit run across your path, is your instinct
35:55
Speaker 1: to pounce upon it, grab it and bite its throat
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Speaker 1: out out? No, your instinct may be to pet it
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Speaker 1: or try to throw it a treat. This guy is
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Speaker 1: not like you. This guy's instinct is to attack. He's
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Speaker 1: crossed the border three times that I know of in
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Speaker 1: two months. He's been from Tulsa to La to bel Air, Maryland,
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Speaker 1: and everywhere in between. You want to tell me he
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Speaker 1: could fight his impulse to attack. No way. Joining me
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Speaker 1: is a very special guest. Patty Mooren is with us.
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Speaker 1: Rachel's mother. Ms. Moran, you are speaking to thousands and
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Speaker 1: thousands of parents who are suffering, and I want you,
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Speaker 1: as best as you can to explain what you do
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Speaker 1: when you feel overwhelmed by the loss of your girl.
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Speaker 15: Honestly, I cry, I cry, and I pray.
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Speaker 3: I I know that different people have different religious affiliations,
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Speaker 3: but I believe in the Lord, and I believe that
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Speaker 3: God has a plan and a purpose even if we
37:22
Speaker 3: don't understand it. And I believe that God is good
37:28
Speaker 3: and that he loves me. And so when things are
37:33
Speaker 3: very hard to the I go to the rock, I
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Speaker 3: ease my solace and I just pray and pour my
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Speaker 3: heart out to him and he comforts me. But then
37:48
Speaker 3: I also have a close group of friends that have
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Speaker 3: been such a support these last few months, praying for
37:57
Speaker 3: our family, giving and kouragey words. Mister Rice, what an
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Speaker 3: awesome man he is. He is so good and so
38:09
Speaker 3: kind and so generous, just really very good supportive people.
38:16
Speaker 3: And so I would encourage anyone that's feeling pain from
38:22
Speaker 3: a loss to get counseling, to have a support group,
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Speaker 3: a group of friends, maybe grief share, and just to
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Speaker 3: keep your friends close and don't be afraid to feel
38:38
Speaker 3: your feelings and to process them because you don't want
38:41
Speaker 3: to be stuck. And it's healthy, even though it's very
38:49
Speaker 3: very painful, it's healthy to process them. And I want
38:54
Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm healthy for my family so
38:58
Speaker 3: I'm willing to feel the pain now so that I'm
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Speaker 3: not stuck and not moving forward for my grandchildren.
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Speaker 1: You know, Paty, your words are incredible, and they're not prepared,
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Speaker 1: they're not rehearsed, they are from the heart. And when
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Speaker 1: you say you pray, please know there are thousands and
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Speaker 1: thousands of people praying with you and for you and
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Speaker 1: for Rachel and her family. Please know that everyone, if
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Speaker 1: you have any information now our site set on the trial,
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Speaker 1: any information at all that you know or think you
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,